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Financial Audit: Episode Summary - "Financial Audit’s Most Evil Guest"
Podcast Title: Financial Audit Episode Title: Financial Audit’s Most Evil Guest Release Date: [Insert Date] Hosts: Caleb Hammer
Episode Overview In this episode of *Financial Audit*, Caleb Hammer conducts a candid financial audit of a couple, Tessa and Wesley, who are struggling with financial management and communication. The episode dives into their financial dynamics, revealing a significant disparity in their spending habits, compounded by emotional challenges tied to their upbringing and current circumstances.
Key Themes
Financial Struggles
- Income Disparity:
- Tessa earns approximately $1,048 bi-weekly, leading to a net income of about $25,000 annually.
- Wesley earns a significantly higher salary of around $108,000 annually, but admits to overspending.
Relationship Dynamics
- Communication Breakdown:
- The couple struggles to communicate effectively about finances, often leading to arguments and emotional distress.
- Tessa feels judged for her spending habits, while Wesley often spends on items without consulting her, leading to feelings of resentment.
- Emotional Spending:
- Wesley acknowledges his tendency to spend money as a coping mechanism for stress and dissatisfaction, revealing a deeper emotional issue within the relationship.
Budgeting and Financial Management
- Lack of Budgeting Knowledge:
- Both Tessa and Wesley display a concerning lack of understanding regarding their financial situation, including the details of their spending, income, and debts.
- They have not effectively utilized available tools and resources to manage their finances, such as budgeting apps and financial education programs.
Debt and Spending Habits
- High Debt Levels:
- The couple has accumulated significant debts, including credit card debts exceeding $12,000 and personal loans.
- Their spending habits are unsustainable, with excessive expenditures on non-essential items.
- Failure to Prioritize Savings:
- Despite their combined income, they struggle to save effectively, often spending more than they earn, leading to escalating debt.
Key Takeaways
- Emotional Health and Money Management:
- The episode highlights the critical link between emotional well-being and financial decision-making. Wesley's emotional spending reveals how internal struggles can manifest in financial irresponsibility.
- Importance of Communication:
- Effective communication about finances is essential for a healthy relationship. The couple's inability to discuss financial matters openly exacerbates their problems.
- Need for Financial Education:
- The couple would benefit from financial education and tools like budgeting apps to help them regain control over their finances.
- Therapeutic Support Recommendations:
- Caleb recommends that the couple seek therapy to address their underlying emotional issues and improve their communication skills concerning finances.
Sponsorship and Resources
- Budgeting App:
- Caleb promotes his budgeting app, Simpler Budget, emphasizing its role in helping users track spending and manage finances more effectively.
- Financial Resources:
- Caleb offers links to various financial resources, including refinancing options for student loans and budgeting tools.
- Real Estate Course:
- An announcement is made regarding the launch of a new real estate program, aimed at educating listeners on investing in real estate.
Conclusion The episode serves as a powerful reminder of the critical intersection between personal finance, emotional health, and relationship dynamics. Caleb Hammer's approach combines education, empathy, and actionable advice, aiming to help this couple and listeners alike navigate their financial challenges. The discussion reveals that financial literacy is not just about numbers but also understanding the emotional factors at play in financial decision-making.
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Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00To watch episodes of Financial Audit a week earlier, check us out on YouTube. You have no self-control? Not really. So why have you not worked on this? Because I don't care. How do you get out of a hole when he has that mindset? I have no idea. I mean, it's my money. Not our money, my money. It is my money. I pay for her house. I pay for her groceries. It's a little hurtful when he says stuff like that. I don't like talking about it. He's the problem. She doesn't hurt my feelings. She just thinks she hurts my feelings. I kind of feel like I've given up a little bit because I don't know what to do.
0:29Download my new Simpler Budget app today and take control of your money once and for all. Hi, my name is Tessa and I'm 26. Hi, my name is Wesley and I'm 28 and we live in Killeen, Texas. And this is Financial Audit. Every f***ing time, Killeen, man. Killeen, if I have someone from Killeen, I know it's going to be a wild episode. It's something about Killeen. There's like a chemical leak there. It's just like probably everyone. All right. Well, let's start with you, Tessa. You're in front of me. So what do you do for a living? I work at a small animal shelter. I'm an animal control officer, but I mainly work at the shelter.
1:09OK, what are you making? I think I make. I know what I bring in. I don't know what I make hourly. I think it's 18, 14. I've seen comments recently. Like, how does someone come on to financial audit and not know what they make? I know. Honestly, I'm also confused and concerned at that. How do you not know what you make hourly so that when you have a conversation about getting raised to an hourly wage, you know, like what you're getting paid versus what you're going to get paid? Like, how do we not know? Because I don't really think about the hourly because, I mean, I know I get a raise every year and it's a 3 % raise, but I don't look.
1:46Well, that's more of like a cost of living raise. That's not really. It's not like an actual beneficial. Do you know how many hours a week you work? Yes, I work 40 hours. Okay. So wouldn't it be important then to know? I mean, I know what my paycheck is. I mean, he's not. He's obviously a green out of the gate. Like, oh, yeah, she should know. What do you think? I don't know. What is your perception of this? I think she should know how much hourly she should make. Yeah. She should be also trying to increase her hourly for what she does. Is she not? No. There's not really anything I can do. Like, there's no way to move up other than take my supervisor's job because there's only three of us at my job.
2:24Or move to a different place. Yeah, it's just really. Yeah, I've been looking. It's just kind of hard. What's looking? I just kind of browse and see what other places are hiring and what the benefits are because I try and look at the benefits because that's really important to me because I have really good benefits because I work for the city. This is good, but there is a break-even point and a point where you make more over the lifetime. You know, when we calculate compound interest that you're putting into a retirement account, there are different things, but I do understand that. Yes, public jobs usually come with some good bennies.
3:00Okay, so what hits your account then, if that's what you know? Yes, bi-weekly I make$1 ,048. Whoa, $1 ,048? Okay, that's really not much. No. We're talking like...
3:2125 ,000 hours a year net? You can't survive off of that. How long have you guys been together? Because no way you'd be surviving. No, we've been together since high school. Oh, really? Yeah. She's had this job going on five years now. Yeah. What? year in high school i was a senior i was a sophomore oh twitter's not gonna like that guys twitter is not gonna like that it was legal they're not gonna like that you said that okay and you uh mr pdf what what do you make so i make a salary which is also turned into hourly hourly i make 36 06 an hour okay now that's what we're talking about one knowing our wage two a good wage um okay but i also make per diem for every day that i work which is 125 a day really yes sir what what is that meant to be covering uh living expenses um but what do you do so i work in the power line industry yeah you do that makes more sense i was i was a transmission lineman and I got out of the field around when we had our daughter and I became an assistant project manager.
4:41We have a kid. Yes. What's the age of the kid? 16 months. Oh, okay. Is this the only kid? Yes. We had a power line technician or a lineman out at one point on the show and he made a ton of money. So what is hitting your account on a monthly basis for everything? It arranges. Average. Average is around$1 ,500. He said monthly. Monthly? Not week. $1 ,500 per week. Oh, okay. So about six grand. Yeah, just about. Obviously, some months we have less. Some months we have more if it's per week. Like February. Like some months I have more due to overtime. So the way my company works is anything on Saturday and Sunday, as long as it's crew supported, I get straight pay.
5:30Right. But my salary is always the same. Averaging 6 ,000. We're averaging, yeah, 6 ,000. Including like really good overtime months and really just bad. So what do you average? What do you average make then? What average hits your account? I need to average this thing. Average would be seven grand. Probably seven. Yeah. Okay. And then the lower end is probably six. So with that, I mean, that makes sense. And for a range, that's not that crazy. So with that, I mean, we make as a household 96 ,000 hours a year net. you were talking net right with that 7 ,000 so that's delicious oh wait no no no no sorry no because of that new number now it's a little more 108 ,000 hours a year it's incredible so why the fuck are you on this show you wouldn't come on this show okay what's going on guys what are we talking about I like to spend money and not tell my wife yeah that's a classic situation on this show at this point Okay.
6:33Would you agree that's why you're here? Yes. Definitely. Okay. He really likes to buy things, all the things. And then I'll look at our bank account and I'm like, hey, what is this? And he's like, oh, yeah, that's this or that's this. So that's super fun. Why aren't you guys talking? We do. It normally just doesn't end well. And we try. Normally it's just an argument. and it doesn't go super great. Give me an example. Give me your last major conversation around all this. The last major conversation, one of us ended in tears. Which one? Not me. Who could guess? That was me. Tell me, what happened?
7:18We bicker a lot. Growing up, my parents fought about money, so it's never made me comfortable to talk about, and I always feel like I'm being judged for how I spend my money when I make the money. So you view it as yours? I don't view it as mine. I view it as I worked hard. Like he put the effort in to make a lot of money. 70 to 80 hour weeks. Well, if you blow it all, you're working hard for something that's not going to be there. But I can't take it with me when I die. Yeah, but when you die statistically multiple decades from now and you already have a kid. Yeah. That you might want to set up in some kind of way or prepare you guys for being set up in some kind of way so that they're not putting their life on hold?
8:00Okay. So the conversation went how? Went what?
8:07Basically, the conversation did not end well. She discovered that I had a very high credit spending limit. Spending limit? Spending spent credit. How'd you find out? How'd you find out? I told her. He outed himself. I outed myself. How'd this conversation start, though? Like, what? We were just sitting down, and all of a sudden, we were just like, Yeah. Ah, Tessa. Yeah. I mean, I think we were just laying in bed after we'd watch TV. Just I talk a lot right before we go to bed. And normally someone's like, OK, good night. Good night. And I was just rambling. And then it was right there right before turning over for bed.
8:44Yes. It's a horrible time. Exactly. Yeah. I talk a lot right before bed because I feel like he's trapped. He can't go anywhere. Well, I get all my words in for the day. Well, you want to get in all the bullshit? That wasn't me. He started. Yeah, but it's confrontational that. Very confrontational. Yeah. Okay. So then you told her. What did you tell her? That I had spent a lot of money. That's it. You said a lot of money. I had spent a lot of money and that I was not proud of how far I had let it go. But I knew that. Over the last month? A couple months, yeah. What did you actually say, please?
9:26I want to be in on this. to know how this goes, how this relationship goes when you guys talk about money. What did you say? I said that we were going to have to make some payments or get a personal loan. Yeah. Okay. To afford the payment. Oh, to afford the f***ing payment? Yeah, the payment was really high. Oh,$106 ,000 a year net in a pretty cheap area. F*** me. Okay. Okay. Yeah. And then what happened from there? I took all my credit cards out of my wallet like the dramatic queen I am and bent them in front of her and threw them at her. Not aggressively, but I tossed them. Just more like at the floor angrily.
10:14But, yeah, I have a hard time with all that because I try and plan things and I want to have good things. And then I find out, well, we're kind of in a little bit of a hole and maybe all these plans can't go the way that I thought. What did you say? I don't really remember. It's probably been a couple months since that specific conversation. But you guys just bicker back and forth? Yeah. Money's always been kind of a hard topic because we have very different views. I like to save money and I like to see it just sitting in the account. Is that true? When I go through this, will that be true? Will that be proven true?
10:51Yeah. Yes. Yes, sir. okay so how do you guys actually manage your finances together then if we have a spender we have a saver and we have someone that has to admit that over the last couple months i've spent all this money on a credit card and you only found out because you said that in bed so how how are we doing money for the house um i think a few months ago or i guess in october i set up a separate bank account where my income goes really why uh we split the bills so that some come out of one account and some come out of the other. What's some account and then what's another account? Are they shared accounts or are they individual accounts?
11:28They're both shared accounts so we both have access to them. But when you split it, do you mean you guys are splitting it or these accounts are splitting it? The accounts are splitting it. But the accounts are both of our accounts. Yes. Why are we doing that? Because if there's money in our main account, it gets spent versus... Do you have no self-control? Not really. I really don't okay and you recognize this and you're telling me this so why have you not worked on this because i don't care i just like to spend money then you guys aren't gadget then how the are you guys gonna make it then if you if you just straight up sit here and come here and say i don't care because i i know money's coming in the next week and i know then you spend it i don't always spend it but i have an idea does he always spend it most of the time so so what are we talking about then like how are you guys gonna survive at that point you guys as a couple trouble i spend the money i don't care yeah what are your thoughts on all this i have a different upbringing with money so i have a really hard time trying to see his point of view yeah but how's your thoughts of surviving this how are you guys going to survive this what is your thought of this in general if hearing what he just said what do you think i feel like we're constantly trying to get our way out of a hole and i don't how do you get out of a hole when he has that mindset that i have no idea how do you get out of the whole guy by not doing what i've been doing yeah but you don't care i self-admitted yeah you want to care but you don't care so what the is gonna change it's gonna have to be like a massive wake-up or something i mean yeah i think the massive wake-up is the future for my daughter um i want yeah but it's already been 16 months dude i know has he slowed down in the last 16 months exactly so no well she can't spend any of it right now anyway i mean it's my money but it's my money yeah my money not our money my money it is my money that she uses i pay for her house i don't live there i pay for her groceries so wait what the conversation no no what are you talking about i travel for work so i live in a fifth wheel two hours from home and i get to come two hours how often are you home every other weekend if i can every other you only see him four days a week or a month sometimes yeah and sometimes it's just how are you guys surviving that well he's just blowing all his money and he doesn't care well he's also gone for 90 of a month well if i'm at work i don't spend the money You spend it all in four days?
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16:03and see how a real personal approach can help you escape the private loan nightmare. Because, let's be honest, living with crippling debt till you're 90 is not the retirement plan you dreamed of. I just like things. I like gadgets and knickknacks and bullsh - Literally anything. If it looks cool or if I've seen it on freaking Instagram - Is your house a cluttered mess? No. No. Where does it all go? I have no idea. Everywhere. Preferably my camper, so she doesn't know. do you not feel just completely out of control he literally just said my money for her house is that how you feel this doesn't sound like a couple to me no it's a little hurtful when he says stuff like that I just I don't know I wish it didn't feel that way but lately it has felt that way due to not being able to come home and spend time with them in our home that we bought together what do you mean I chose this job yeah And I gave her the option of living with me in the camper.
17:06With a f***ing newborn? Yes, we did it for six months. And how'd it go? It went fine. We had a crib in there. How'd it go? I mean, we probably could have done it if... And it probably would have been a better choice financially if we really sat down and talked about it. Then why not then? I didn't really think about quitting my job and staying at home because I wanted to... That'd be quitting the job. Yeah. Yeah, and that would be like a 25 % cut. Just about. But we wouldn't be paying a mortgage. Or daycare. So that's been a big thing. Yeah. I gave her the choice once, and then that was it. She said she wanted a house, and I said, okay, let's find you a house.
17:49How long have you had the house? We bought it last year in September. You gained any equity? No. No. Okay. So income. We know what came in. We have your income. It was actually less this last month. But I want to do expenses. And I need you to guess what you are spending on these categories. Price is right style. Here you go. Some financial audit pens.
18:22All right. Give me your food spending. Give me your food spending. Let's have, if you guys are really together and you're combining these finances and you know your things, give me your food spending. Food spending for a month. In the most recent month. Go ahead. Let's see what you guys both think. I mean, you guys are a couple, right? You're together. Okay.
18:47He says$3 ,000. Oh, my God.
18:55You're including everything, though. Food. It's like drive-thrus and groceries and everything. $3 ,000. You think you spend a third? Not even a third. No, more than that. Like 35, 40 % of your income? I mean, yeah. We go to Sam's Club and Costco. What did you say? I said$750. Okay. That's still substantial. Well, the answer was$596. Okay. So why do you possibly think it is$3 ,000? eggs are expensive it's not eggs dude come on why do you think it's 3 000 i just thought i went out to eat more i mean there's occasionally times where i go out to eat quite a bit just living on the road um and i really like water burger 3 000 yeah i'm glad it's not 3 000 i don't know what you would have to be doing to spend$3 ,000 on food alone.
19:55Well, Sam's Club and Costco can get expensive, especially buying diapers. Yeah, but we don't go there that often to spend that much in an entire month. Probably not, no. I don't know if you really thought about that one. Probably not. Okay. Here's the next one. This is extra shopping, kind of at like an Amazon or a Walmart or a Target, that kind of stuff. What do you think you spent on these Who knows what it could be categories At these big boxer delivery What are we thinking What do we think Maybe$600 $600 $1 ,400 Well this time he's the winner here $1 ,737 Is our money just leaving Yeah Just on big box Amazon delivery That unknown because who even knows what the fuck he actually got.
20:50And hopefully we actually find out more. That is crazy. That is crazy. I didn't think that we spent that much on Amazon. That's almost triple what I thought. Well, yeah,$1 ,400. That's still a lot. That's not that much more than what you thought. But that's like almost. $1 ,400 is my average. That's how much I think I would spend on Amazon or Target. You're okay with that? No. Yes. what i mean i'm i'm okay with it yeah i think i'm okay with 1400 a month that's a lot i don't know what we would need to spend that much on in an entire month knickknacks you don't really seem to speak up you really do not do you like what is your care level on all this stuff like this is objectively bad he says he doesn't care and you just seem so about it just so flat are you given up?
21:48Do you care? Sometimes I feel like it's not a battle that I can win. So I feel like we've been through the same conversations the whole time we've been together and not a whole lot has changed. For like a decade? Yeah.
22:04I don't know. You're gonna stay with someone. You had a kid with someone who won't change? I love him. But he won't change. Are you guys gonna make it? I think we'll make it. Why do you think that? You're the bad one. It's not like you have to... You're not the one dealing with the pain and hurt of this. I mean, I am. How? You're the one doing the actions. Oh, come on. Then why aren't you changing? You literally told me you don't care. What the f*** are you talking about internally? I just like to spend money. No s***! But you're not changing! So what are you telling me that it hurts internally if you literally told me you don't care?
22:42I think the debt stresses me out, but I just push it off and spend more money. But that's going to turn even more and more stressful forever. I know. And I'm trying to get through that. And I haven't found resources. What's this trying? Resources? Yeah. Fucking budgeting. What do you mean resources? What are you talking about? Okay, fine. Resource. Simple budget. You guys create an account together or create two separate accounts. Whatever you want to do. We pay for the premium version. They get a multi-week trial. There's your resource because it at least tells you exactly what you spend on every category.
23:14So we're not playing prices right. You're guessing, okay? You don't have to do that anymore because you won't actually know what you're spending on each and every category. You set your own limits, and it's automatically connected to your account, and you'll see what your income is, okay? So simpler budget. You guys get that. There's a resource, but you could have been doing that more manually or something. You could. If you really care, you've tried, but you told me you don't care, though. If you don't care, there is no trying. But I did. I tried very hard. I went on Etsy. I bought a planner.
23:42We went through it together. We set it up, and then I moved. and it was hard to see what she's spending money on and then me telling her, oh, I bought some more dumb shit. I think that's the problem is we want to look into it and then we try and make a plan and then something happens where maybe we don't see each other for a while. We're not able to actually stick to that and actually sit down and have the time to talk about it. So it just kind of goes out into the wind. All right.
24:13No more Etsy bulls**t. Here's the Simpler Budget Founders Edition. This is for anyone that signs up for the annual version, gets this signed and sent to them. But you guys get it for free. Before you guys come back on the Financial Audit channel, I need you to journal at least weekly. Okay? At least weekly. And I'm going to read that when you guys come back on the follow-up channel. So don't it up. Okay, she'll write in it. Miscellaneous bull. The final category we're going to do. This is things like getting a video game or just, you know, whatever it is. This is miscellaneous extra bullshit that does not actually matter in life whatsoever.
24:55My guess is 3 ,600. I put 2 ,000 in scratch down. Oh my. What are you guys doing? How do you possibly even think that? How is it even like, how is that even considered remotely? Okay, guys. It's not. It's not okay. Then why don't we do anything? Because we don't talk about it. Because I don't like talking about it. Why don't you like talking about it? Because. Because he's the problem. I'm the problem. She has no problem with not spending. And I can't seem to stop. Then what the fuck can I do? Tools. No. Maybe throw something at him? I mean, yes. Again, you guys go through all the classes. You get the budgeting app.
25:33Sure, there's tools. But it is still your work that you put into it in the end. I feel like he just, he needs something to change to make a difference. and I don't know what that is, but I feel like anytime we talk about it, he feels like he's personally attacked. And so then I feel like I hurt his feelings, and it's not a super great conversation. You think she hurts your feelings? No, she doesn't hurt my feelings. She just thinks she hurts my feelings. So why do you care? Before we just jump into these documents, just in general, why do you care about your own self-pleasure than your wife, than your child?
26:11Why do you think that? Dig down deep. why do you think that my mom was the same way and you saw the that comes from that and you're not willing to change i saw things that struggled from my childhood foreclosure notices uh struggle to pay for college you know which is bad finances in general stress stress stress stress that's why i became interested in personal finances and i did better you saw the bad parts and you decided to repeat that how does that make sense you're able to fully acknowledge this it's not like some internalized trauma like someone who got abused is now abusive or anything it's like you are recognizing this you know this so why the f*** continue the thing that you know is bad from your childhood I just I don't know I just like to f***ing spend money on random things I just buy s*** that I think is shiny okay so 9 ,000 hours comes in how much did you guys spend last month probably 8 ,900 okay so less probably close to 10 okay 10 ,500 Oh,$1 ,500 more than we bring in on a monthly basis.
27:13How are we ever going to get out of debt? You said debt is keeping you up. So you just ignore it, but it's getting worse by$1 ,500 on a monthly basis. What the f*** are you talking about? Yeah. Again, that is you putting your own self joy over your wife, over your daughter. She doesn't tell me no very often. That's the other problem. I feel like if we had an actual conversation and maybe broke it down and I explained to her reasons I needed something or wanted. needed is a very strong word, wanted something, then maybe she would understand more. Okay. Where do you guys think you are in the world of personal finances?
27:52I'm going to go three, two, one, go. On go, I want you both at the exact same time to give me what you think your household financial score is. Zero to 10, zero being the worst, 10 being the best. Three, two, one. Two. Three. Okay. Why do you think you're almost like, Like, what do you think you're at a three and not like really f***ed? This is a lot of paper. This is more paperwork than I've seen in a long time. Borderline fat stack week, and we haven't done one of those in a while. You think you're at three? I know there's definitely. But you're the saver. You're the one that is apparently good.
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28:24We could both be the spenders, so at least there's only one spender in our relationship. But I feel like it's, yeah, it's definitely pretty bad. and we need to figure it out to get out of the hole. All right. If you guys want your Hammer financial score, link in the description below or just go to calebhammer.com. You can also go to calebhammer.com slash apply if you want to come into our studio in Austin, Texas. Meet everyone here. Have a good time and I'll give you a good financial beating and get you connected with resources and all that good stuff. All right. Amazon Chase Card. Okay, we talked about the deliveries and bullshit and it was an insane number that was actually even higher than you thought, if I'm not mistaken.
29:04Okay, so Amazon Chase with this. Oh, my f***. This is crazy. $11 ,835.94. That balance alone is f***ing insane. I haven't had a balance like that on a credit card in forever. But the$385 minimum payment, that's f***ing. It doesn't even matter. Listen, guys, the balance didn't even change. No, the balance literally went down by a dollar because you spent$231. Who spent the$231? Probably me. I'm not on that account, so it wasn't. Are you kidding me? So you say you're the one that you care about that. You care about that. You're okay with a nearly$12 ,000 loan? Well, this is pretty exciting for the world of financial audit.
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30:23So download Simpler Budget today. And remember, anyone who signs up for the annual version of the app at a massive discount, you also get shipped this Simpler Budget notebook, which will be personally signed by me. So check it out. Download Simpler Budget today. The high interest credit card debt that is accruing$239.38 in interest on a monthly basis. $28 ,000 fees. Why? Why? Late fee. Do you even know that? No. I don't have access to that account because I'm not on it. You don't have access? You're not allowed to look? I'm not. You don't know the login? No. It's just under. Why doesn't she have access?
31:02She's never asked for it. I have the app on my phone. She has to ask for it? So you guys don't sit down. No, we don't. Because you're afraid of the confrontation. You're afraid of him getting his feelings hurt. You're afraid of getting your feelings hurt, all that, whatever. I mean, yeah, I'm just afraid of starting an argument and getting mad. But aren't you just like building it up and it's going to be a nuclear explosion at one point? What did you think the balance of this was? This is one that we have talked about recently and I knew it was high, but I didn't know what it was. And I didn't know that there was a late charge that got added in there too.
31:35Why aren't you managing paying on time if you're the one that's dealing with this? I missed the payment date. No, I'm asking why. Because it fell on a weekend and I wasn't paying attention. Why is it not on auto pay? You make money. Auto pay scares me. Why? Because I had auto pay on everything a long time ago and I didn't have any money in my account and it charged me a fee. But you're getting fees regardless. Yeah, I know. a lot of times I'll call them and let them know that it was just an accident and they'll reimburse it. A lot of times yeah there is late fee Amazon Amazon Amazon Amazon 23.49 % interest rate.
32:14So what the fuck are we doing on here? We bought a lot of furniture for our house. Yes we bought some of the furniture for our house and I You agree? Yes for the house we did have to have to because we didn't have any furniture. We had to furnish the house enough to live in and it was a little expensive. So I know there's quite a bit on there from just when we bought our house. Pull up your Amazon account. Let me see. Let me have a little thing. I know we haven't bought anything super recently.
32:50Do you want to see the orders or the Chase account? All right. Let me see. Pull it up. Pull it up. Okay. I'm starting the screen recording. We will black out anything that's private. Okay.
33:04Something for shoes. A water bottle because you probably didn't have any water bottles. Bladder cleaning kit? It's a hydration cleaning kit. Hydration pack. It's for a rucksack. It's for my rucksack. Like a backpack. Oh, okay. To go walking with. Ring solar panel? Yeah. Our outdoor security camera kept dying. and with me hardwire it you i can't hardwire where it's at because there's no close enough light switches yeah things for the kids things for the kids get that i get that but we got a lot of things all at once for the kid it's not like i mean maybe one at a time i know recently we did spend around station twelve hundred dollars and by the way i'm not seeing this furniture that you guys are talking about i'm seeing pens and whiteboards and calendars and pay-per-view screen protector for the iPad, an outdoor table, an expensive printer.
34:04Logitech MX Key S Combo Performance Wireless Keeper. Come on, dude. There's a big desk, L-shaped desk. So that was... That's the furniture that you wanted was an L-shaped desk? No. That was for me. What are you talking about? A triple monitor mount? Yes. Come on. That was an office setup that... Tessa was - Large monitors. Three large monitors. It's a three large monitor stand. I bought two monitors. Yeah, but they're 32 inch monitors. Yes. Those are big monitors. It is a setup for my home office. Tessa was being lazy. Home office? Buddy, you work - Lazy? Yeah, home four days. You're being lazy.
34:43Yeah. I was sick. She was sick and she called me kind of hysterical because my daughter was also sick. Calling your wife hysterical? She called me hysterical. You called him hysterical? Upset. She was not happy. Oh, she was hysterical, you're saying? Yes, she was hysterical. She was saying that I need to have an office set up because she needs help with our daughter because she's sick. My daughter and I both had the flu, and I was not doing well. It was really, really hard to keep up with my daughter, and we were both home all week. You called her lazy for having the flu? I didn't call her lazy for having the flu I just I also had the flu at the same time and was at work I just didn't tell her you shouldn't have been if you're around other people oh okay I work in my office what is this at home?
35:35in the trailer? no so at her house you're there for days so she wanted me to come home that day but I couldn't come home because I have work to do and I work in an office okay So she wanted me to have a home office set up so that I could come home and help out if I was able to. And now that I have the home office set up. You had to invest thousands and thousands into it when you're in like horrible debt, beyond horrible debt. And the debt we're talking about is almost$400 ,000. Lots of kids have the sculpture stuff and another monitor stand and what is this? A receipt printer? and baby moderating and a heater.
36:18Oh, we're just buying so many things. Garage door openers, performance energy drinks, weird pajama pants. Those were for Christmas. Yeah, those were for Christmas. For family pictures, we all got matching pajamas. This is just insane, ridiculous spending, guys. And the card is at$12 ,000. Yeah. That stresses me out. I don't know. My view on credit cards is you use them and then you pay them off the next month. Sounds like a reasonable view. How can you actually stick here? Well, we removed the credit card. You seem so passive. We removed the credit card from Amazon. So now we're not using that credit card anymore at all on Amazon.
37:01Whether it gets to 5 %... Buddy, I don't know. All I know is I saw Amazon purchases and I see four on this card and a late fee. So literally your change was like right before you came on the show, which I don't count for anything. it's like that that's nothing you know you're coming out of show so you do something to look better come on the interest in fees charged in this year alone is already insane already insane i'm just taking your energy and just looking at you and i can't tell if either you're passive in life or if you don't care or if you've just given up which one is it i kind of feel like i've given up a little bit because I don't I don't know what to do your wife has given up you're just okay with this and you're okay with just popping this in and blasting through Amazon and ordering that you don't have on a credit card that is at you know oh twelve thousand dollars you're okay with this your wife is saying she no longer care or that she's given up and it's because of you and you just do nothing and earlier you said you do not care yeah unfortunately i feel like that's the way things are going what are you going to do what are you going to do i have no idea just kind of struggling what have you done i don't know not a whole lot i feel like we're just constantly in this hole of trying to get out and then what have you tried these last six months try to talk more about things and try and look into the future rather than just right now and what's happened when you're trying i get emotional uh-huh i don't really see a way out at this point so i don't know you don't give a i do give a you said you didn't earlier I do give a fuck She doesn't know what she's doing She's lost in this man Because she can't do anything about you Because you don't care You don't care to change That is true And she's giving up How long until she gives up on you In the marriage I don't know I'm hoping that doesn't happen That doesn't get us anywhere That doesn't get us anywhere Be honest with me have you thought about just calling it quits no really i respect that that's love i also couldn't make it on my own either because i don't make enough to support me and my daughter but that shouldn't be what's keeping you there if it is not but even if that was an option i don't have a way to support myself i don't make enough by myself but something tells me the fact that you immediately said that second answer that it's a bit more real than you'd want to admit even to yourself because why would that come so quickly I don't know I've always known that I I don't make enough and I don't have an education to go do anything better
40:17I don't know look at this man i know you don't give this is why we don't have our budget conversations no this is why you need to have your budget conversations i don't like to see her upset that doesn't matter you make her upset with what you're doing you're blaming her for being upset for why you're not willing to have the conversations when you're the one that have gotten you guys in the position where you need to have the budget conversations what the f*** are you talking about how do you not see how ridiculous this is get your wife a tissue yeah i don't at this point i don't know what to do anymore talk you're not willing to bare minimum effort yeah she's right she is but you've done nothing
41:16I feel like a lot of times he's an emotional spender. And if he's upset, he'll just try and go buy something to give himself that fix. But then he's just digging the hole even deeper by doing that. I don't know how to change that. I've tried to talk to him about it. And then you're not willing to discuss. Yeah, I hide it a lot. Most of the credit cards are just in his name. So I don't know really about them. and so I don't ask because I simply just don't know. You didn't know about the late fee. What do you know about them? What do you know about them? There's a lot on them. Do you even know how many?
41:57There's probably five or so maybe that have a decent balance. Other than that, I don't... You know this is like living a second life. Yes. Financially. Yeah. This is like financially cheating in a way. Yeah. Essentially, yeah. And she just tries to talk about it and you just leave. Yeah, I shut it down quickly. Here's the truth. Running a business is sometimes pure chaos. Show guests cancel days before their audit. Constant calls and messages across multiple projects. And the list goes on and on. It feels a lot like juggling. But imagine every ball you're juggling is on fire. But you know where I found some peace?
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44:01But how long can she be pushed? How long can she feel completely destroyed and broken down and unable to talk and communicate with her significant other? How long can she feel that way? How long can she feel completely given up before either she's just a silent corpse existing in the house or until she decides to leave the house? I don't want either of those things. I really don't. We've got to figure this out.
44:38I don't want things to always be this way. I want to get better and see the light at the end of the tunnel. I know you want to, but you can't do that alone. No. That's not on you. To start, does he hide things from you? I mean, just finances. Just finances that you know of. Yeah. I mean I don't I don't think there would be anything else to hide We talk about everything else It's just the finances That are a hard conversation for us What does she know about the truck situation And what you did with that What does she know She thinks the truck's paid off It's not paid off And I missed a payment
45:29Can I have a break yes absolutely take your time
45:42why would you even tell her that why would you even tell her it's paid off because that was our original goal yeah that's a goal why would you lie so we took out a personal loan to pay off a credit card and her card and originally we were going to pay a portion of the Amazon card and the truck. And I didn't pay the truck, and I saved some of that extra money as cash.
46:16Wasn't the truck supposed to be paid off a while ago? Mm-hmm. I've just been making the payments. What do you still owe in the truck? $700.
46:30This should have been paid off like a year ago. Yeah. A year ago.
46:37What? Weren't you close to paying it off? Also, no, it's$1 ,700 that you still owe. $1 ,700. Yeah. You just tried to lie again. I forgot a number. No, no, buddy. I think you lied to try to get out of Pushback or to make her... to me
47:06what is what's going through your head right now i feel so bad for you i'm so sorry i'm just really hurt yeah oh i just feel like i have no idea what's going on anymore
47:26I am so sorry You do not deserve this And I don't even know what to say To you I really don't I know you're the one that's watched this show for a long time right Yes But I don't even know what to say to you I mean I want to like give her like the biggest hug in the world You know I feel so bad for her and you just immediately lied again when you said how much was left to try to get your ex out of a situation that you f***ed. She thought it was supposed to be paid off a year ago, she just said. What the f*** is wrong with you? Okay, walk me through this situation. What happened? How did you get here?
48:09I just, we were so far ahead in payments that I didn't owe anything for a while and it said I had no minimum payment so I just didn't pay for it for a couple months and that money I took I used for our trip when we went to Cabo. You guys went to Cabo. Fuck. And so when the payment finally came that I wasn't caught up, I had to make the minimum monthly again. And I made it and then I forgot about it and then I had to pay two payments. I still don't see how we were so close to paying it off and then you owe more than what I thought we did when we were just a few months away from paying it off.
48:57I think that because I missed the payment, it added money to it. That doesn't make any sense.
49:07And I didn't pay on it for three months because there was no minimum monthly, which charges interest. But why would you not just pay it so that you can pay it off? Because I wanted money to spend while we were in Cabo. That's when you save money. I did save money by not spending it on the truck.
49:26That doesn't make any sense.
49:32Then we... We knew about Cabo for a long time. We could have saved money for that. But we didn't save any money. I saved money for it. The only reason we had any money to spend while we were there was because of me.
49:56You make trips and you plan them so that you have the money when you need it. We knew about that for over a year. Yes. We could have done things to put away money before. But we didn't. And we didn't talk about it. You didn't save any money. So I used that opportunity to save money to spend money in Cabo. At my truck payment, I didn't have to pay for three, four months, so it was fine. In my head, it was fine. But if you would have just paid it off, then the money that you would have been putting towards your truck would have been that extra spending money. Yeah, but the truck didn't need to be paid off right then.
50:35It needed spending money for Cabo. But she thought you paid off the truck. You agreed to pay off the truck. Yes. How the f*** can you possibly have that opinion then? How is that opinion even possible to have? I don't know You went against what you both agreed on And you're saying it's okay Because it's your money?
51:04Are you okay? Not really, no Yeah What's going through your head right now?
51:15I just every time we talk about this I feel like it gets worse and worse.
51:25There's just always something else waiting. Is there anything else, man? Is there anything else that I don't know that she doesn't know? Just get it out. The Amex credit card is higher. How much higher? $2 ,049.
51:46How often do you feel like this?
51:52I don't know what to do. I don't... I hate saying I'm not the problem. You're not the problem. You're not the problem. I don't know what to do to change. You can't... Or what conversations to have to make things different. You can't. It's kind of... it's in a way less the addiction side, but still the behavior of an addict. The dude's not going to change unless he changes. And if he doesn't, you're essentially just allowing yourself to stay with an alcoholic forever. And I don't, that's so hard to say for someone that just had a kid. It's so hard to say for someone that loves the person in front of them, but oh my, what is going through your head right now?
52:46listen to your language you don't give a fucking you're not gonna change you're do you think he's gonna change down in your heart do you i know you hope do you think i think he can you think he can but you've been with him this entire time so answer the question do you think he's going to change
53:13no
53:17that's fucking real man yeah yeah my own wife doesn't have faith in me you're smiling and laughing I'm trying to get through the pain why would she have faith in you I don't know at this point. You're going to give me a whole lot to go off of. Oh my gosh.
53:55I feel so bad for you. I want everything in my heart right now is I want to fix this for you. You have no idea. I feel so bad for you. And fuck, man, I would do, like, anything right now to fix this for you. But there's nothing I can do. I mean, it's all on him. You're right. It's not a situation where you can leave. You're not in a position to. You're trapped. You're trapped, and you've given up as well. I've tried to give it up as well. Obviously, I'm going to sit you guys down with a therapist. Three sessions for free with Sondermine. I'm lucky that I'm able to gift that because of them. Because, oh my fuck, if there's ever been anyone that needs therapy, you might need your own therapy.
54:55I've been in counseling lately. Why? mostly just work stress but just kind of everything is it work stress it really is okay okay
55:12mattress firm that one's in my name um that was whenever we bought our mattress and so some of it is you i mean that one we did need a bed so we bought a bed Did you need a$5 ,228 bed? I might have been talked into that one. I have a really nice mattress, and it's not that much. What the f***? It's the best mattress in the world. Yeah. We get that when we can afford it. We could have just gone with the mattress, but I was talked into everything. The adjustable base, which was not necessary, so that was probably$2 ,000 more. How many do you use it? Every night. When you're home. you use it. Four days a week.
56:00I do not use it. Four days a month. I don't use it if it's just me. Then why is the remote on the bed when I come home every time? I used that the other night when I went to sleep. I tried to sit it up, but it didn't help anything.
56:16Yeah.
56:20Oh.
56:24It expires in a year and a half. okay with how many months is left in order to get it we got 12 plus five
56:36okay so we got 18 months to pay this off you have 5228 0.34 divided by 18 you guys need to make payments of 290 minimum payment is 183 you need to make payments to 290, 290, 291. That's weird because you're not doing that. No. Whenever we had set up the payments, they said there was a certain period of time that we could have it paid off and it wasn't going to charge any interest. Yeah. 927, 2026. I mean, I might be off by a month, which moves the number down to the 262 you paid. Yes. Cause I figured it out and I knew I was paying more than the 262. Okay. Cause I knew I was making more than the minimum cause I was trying and get it paid off before it started charging interest.
57:19What does tonight look like when we leave here? A long conversation back home. Probably some more tears. Are you actually going to have a conversation? I'm going to attempt. She'll try. What does your attempt look like? Not yelling. Do you yell? Occasionally. He gets heated. What do you yell about? This is all you. I know. So what do you yell? that I don't want to talk about it. Is that what he yells? Pretty much. It's about normally how it goes.
58:08Yeah I mean it's already charged almost a thousand dollars in deferred interest so don't pay this off by then. Like$3 ,000 of interest is going to hit. It's not more. Okay. Because it's charging at 35%. 35%. Wow. That's high. Okay. Academy. What is this? That is my card. I went to Academy with a friend of mine and they had some jackets on clearance during when it was cold. You couldn't have just bought them? rather than put the money on a credit card. What do you think's happened here? Do you have any insight into this card? No. I didn't know about it until... I mean, I knew the card was there, but normally there's not a balance on it.
58:56Tell her what happened. I hit a late fee.
59:01Because I forgot I used the card. Maybe you shouldn't use the cards and then there's not a late fee. if you would have just bought it outright with the debit card you wouldn't have had to worry about that there was no money in the debit card then maybe don't spend money you don't have it's really simple I needed a jacket because you didn't have any at home I couldn't leave work to go get a jacket I think you had a jacket did you have a jacket not a work jacket
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1:03:01Two jackets
1:03:05Why'd you get this card?
1:03:09I've had that card for a while I can't remember the original reason I got the card You told Lindsay the producer Because you were bored And you wanted a gold card That was the Amex Oh that's the next card Okay Yeah this is 36 % this card The card we were just talking about 36 % You're just sitting You're not even paying Sitting not even paying While your wife is at home Trying to raise your kid And also work
1:03:45AmeriExpress Is this the one you said It's higher? Yes So what is it now? 3 ,000 something It went up$2 ,000 Yes $2 ,000
1:03:59I For what? Yeah, for what? So I thought my RV rent was automatically paid And it was not For rent on a credit card? Yeah, so I was behind three months Because I thought it was an automatic withdrawal And it wasn't You didn't know that? I knew he was paying for it on the credit card Oh, for f***s sake, I asked if there's anything else you're hiding and you were behind three months, you didn't even f***ing know.
1:04:29And so I had to pay for it. How did they let you get behind? They didn't even know. I talked to the park manager. She had no idea. Genuine question for the audience. You have to remember, these are just real f***ing people from the audience. Just like you can be if you apply. But, uh, question. With the, um... feeling and empathy and everything that is whatever going through my head right now. Wow. Do you rescue somebody that literally kind of can't be rescued and doesn't want to be rescued? And you also feel weird about asking because they have a kid. You can't tell him to leave the guy. And also it's weird to tell people to leave someone.
1:05:12And also how the do you do it? Especially when they don't make money. What do you do? I don't know what to do. I don't want you in this situation and I don't know what to do. I can get you guys out of debt That depends on him changing You agree with me that you don't think he's gonna change Uh What the f*** do I do about you Cause you're the one I wanna save here How the f*** You're the fan of the show But she's the one I like That's usual I don't know I'm really hoping This wakes him up Hope That's all I have at this point How long have you been hoping a while exactly
1:05:56yeah interest is accruing 29 bucks 14 cents got some pay over time stuff $40.47 no well the minimum payment is probably like 120 now do you want me to check no it's probably 120 if it's three times the balance I'm gonna Hulu Hulu Hulu Hulu and Smith Outdoor Smith Outdoor SMM
1:06:26SMMT Outdoor Oh Summit Outdoor I bought a cup That I saw on Instagram On a credit card On a credit card Do you guys get along normally? Other than finances yes But how often is that versus finances? We get along just fine I'd say most of the time yeah Okay How often is finances? How often is that? I think we have a good spout once a month. About finances probably, yeah. And it probably needs to be more often. Why is it even a spout though? What defense do you have? You don't have a defense. I just feel like I'm being attacked. Like I'm not allowed to spend. Because you are the problem. You legitimately are.
1:07:13Yeah. I don't think he likes addressing it. He'd rather it just be hidden and he hopes that it'll figure itself out on its own somehow. But that's not how it works. Dude, you shouldn't have access to a credit card. You can't manage your credit cards. You can't manage having access to credit. Just like everyone in the audience and on the show, you can use the Fizz card because it's a debit card that builds credit if you really care about that part, if you want fun. But you can't do this. I would just close these accounts. You already have the house, so what credit are you shopping for?
1:07:53That's a lot of paper. H-E-B card? Yeah. Never even heard of this. Yeah. Apparently it's a new thing.
1:08:07That was my doing as well.
1:08:12Okay. Okay, H-E-B, never thought I'd write that down in the debt column. Okay, with a new balance of$483.95, the minimum fee payment of$25. It was$683.95 of purchases. When he told me about that one, I said the only way that we're going to have that and use that is if we're literally going buying groceries and then immediately paying off. And he said that's what we would do. And that has not happened, obviously. Otherwise, there'd be a zero balance. Jeez, dude. I just really don't get it. It's not even all H-E-B. There's a Wyndham. Buying something in a hotel lobby? Then what is Murdoch Ranch and Home for$261?
1:08:59That's not H-E-B. She doesn't even know this. Again, she doesn't even know this. She was there for the Murdoch. Why would you put it on an H-E-B card? That was the one I had in my hand. what the fuck is that put another one in your hand i did i don't carry my wallet very often so i used why because i my phone does everything for me except for using a card that makes more sense like a debit card for you
1:09:29all i'm saying is the amount of money just you guys to spend on bull by the way literally if you just fucking if you just if you were just putting that in the the Moo Moo app, the investing app that I use, if it's literally sitting there uninvested with the sign-up rewards when you put in like$2 ,000 and all that stuff, you get like a literal like 16 % return on your money. It's better than you even get on an average stock market year. So like, this is so stupid what you guys are doing. It's all going to interest instead. It's all going to interest instead and stupid. It's stupid. And I don't know what to do.
1:10:01I just feel bad for you. Apple Card. That one's mine. Is this paid off normally? Normally it is. Last year, most of the year, it did carry a balance for plane tickets. Is it carrying a balance now? I think there's like$200 on it right now. Why? So it's not all him. But I pay mine off every month. But you said there's a balance on here. There's a balance, but it's from the past month, so it's not due yet until the end of the month. Oh, but you pay it off every month? Yes. Okay, then that doesn't have to go in the column then. When's the last time it wasn't paid off and interest accrued? Probably about six months of last year.
1:10:40We bought plane tickets. When was the last one, though? Like how long has it been paid off every month by? Probably the past five or six months. Okay, then I won't write the balance down. I mean, it's still, this is your card? You're going out to eat all the time. Whataburger, Starbucks, Starbucks. Then there's some other things in there. There's an urgent care and a health thing. But, I mean, going out to eat and getting some Starbeez. That's not very often I can say that. It's not very often. It was three times within the month. Obviously, we don't have the full package yet in terms of what has been spent across the board.
1:11:15Just on one card, just thinking of priorities and money. Let me see if that's confirmed, though. Yeah, no interest. Good. Okay. Good. Verizon. Synchrony Verizon card. Why? I originally got the card because it gave you money off of your bill. And I was. But now you're accruing interest. I was paying it off. There's purchases on a Verizon card? The f***? Why? Are new phones. You just got new phones. That doesn't make sense. You didn't get a$245 phone, did you? No. What are you talking about? Because that was how many purchased. That's the monthly bill. Oh, but you're accruing interest. You're not saving any money.
1:12:00With$26.96 of interest, what f***ing money are you saving with a$41 minimum repayment? Hmm, yeah, that's great. Just this alone without putting any more purchases on, which is, by the way, impossible because you put your minimum repayments on this. How long does it take to just pay off this$1 ,136? How long does this take to pay off? With just putting monthly minimum? Yeah, without adding any higher balances, which are impossible. 16 months. How long do you think? I have no idea. You'll be 30. Holy shit. Wow.
1:12:40Just to pay off 1 ,136. That's crazy. What the f*** are we doing?
1:12:50USAA.
1:12:56Is this his? We're both on it. Who's spending? Me. Of course. $1 ,567.41 with a$47 minimum monthly payment. Actually, no spending was done on this, but interest is accruing. How long does this take to pay off, guys? Just doing the minimum payment without purchases. A long time. Three years. Three years? How long? What do you think? Probably six. Okay, you'll be 40. Oh, my God. That's ridiculous. Yeah. literally almost double your age that you well no that's not true not quite but that's crazy the Verizon one makes no sense anyway I mean I know where you guys live you have good T-Mobile coverage I would just do something like helium for 15 bucks a month per line it's like I just don't understand why pay for the name brand when you don't have to these days huge interest rate on there oh my gosh Okay, there's still a lot to go through.
1:13:59What is this? What is this? Unsecured fixed rate loan. Is this a personal loan? What am I looking at? A personal loan. See the original loan. I'm up. What's the current? When did you get this? Because the current balance is basically the same. What was this personal loan for? $35 ,116.57. To pay off the Amex. Debt consolidation. Oh, and how did that work? It didn't. Yeah, exactly. Without changing the behavior, which you are incapable of, which he is incapable of, of which you have no hope of him even doing. No, you have hope. You just don't believe he will. Then, obviously, this does nothing because then you just owe double the debt.
1:14:36You consolidate it. Then you build it all the way back up. And guess what? We built it all the way back up, right? So personal, and again,$35 ,116.57. It's an insane balance. Basically, it doubles where we are that we've talked about already, if not more. $600. No, that's the interest. What's the minimum to payment? It's like 700 and something. 772. Jeez. That just eats a huge chunk from your guys' actual take-home pay. That's crazy. That is crazy. That was the Amazon card in the Amex. The Amazon card now is at$12 ,000, and the Amex is at$3 ,000. So we just built them all the way back up. Are you checking your phone?
1:15:22Is this not good? Are we not learning anything? I was checking the minimum. Where are we not learning? Okay. Yeah. I was wrong. It's 744.69. Mm-hmm. 81 months remaining on this. Yeah. That's it. A while. What a joke. How does this f***ing continue? How does this actually continue? Like your guys' marriage, how does this continue? I don't know.
1:15:54What is this? It's 6%, so it's a little on the lower side. Still not good, though. But it's 400. Your RV? Yeah. Stop. Sorry. The RV? Yeah. Is this the one you were behind on? Wait, so we have an RV and you have an extra thing that you're renting? No, the RV is what I live in. What was this thing you were behind on by three months? You have to pay the rent. The rent on what? At the RV park. The RV park. Oh.
1:16:26What a joke. $44 ,788.63.
1:16:34Minimal monthly payment. These are getting disgusting now. $550.24. What the f*** are we doing, guys? What are we possibly doing? There's a lot of bills. A lot of bills? Unnecessary bills. What? No, I'm just like, all of that is just unnecessary. Yeah, a$62 ,000 RV? Well, we tried to buy a home in 2021, and we kept getting outbid in the markets. So you rent and save up more to make a more competitive offer also as 2021. You guys would have an incredible time buying. Now it's a buyer's market. So we bought the RV because of my job. So we buy a depreciating asset. Great. Yep. Oh, my fucking fault.
1:17:23It really. The minimum payment on this is$876. $876.03. $40 ,000,$255.71. Balance on a fucking Hyundai 2023 Palisade. Palisade. That's my car. We bought that when I was... Do you really need this? No. Why? Why do you have this? It's worth$18 ,000 and you owe$40 ,000 on it. It's worth$18 ,000. That's sad. Not only is it sad, but we're not getting out of it. There's no borrowing to get out of it than getting a cheaper car, also borrowing and paying it off. That's the main reason I didn't want to buy a brand new car. But... Didn't want to? Then why did you? I wanted to. But it's not even your driver!
1:18:16No, we were... We were what? We were expecting, and I wanted her to have a new vehicle. to be safe. It's a safety thing. What? Do you think 2022 was all of a sudden just a wildly dangerous year of car? Well, the problem with the 2022 and the 2023 was they were the same price. What about 2021? Do you think that was a wildly dangerous time? 2020? 2019? 2018? Was everyone dying? I don't remember that. I don't know. Was there a f***ing everyone who was dying in their Hondas in 2019? 2018? In 2023, it was recommended as the safest vehicle. Awesome. where the other one's dramatically dangerous. Is that what you're saying?
1:18:57They're not dramatically dangerous. I just don't see why you - I get it, but guess what? You no longer have money. You don't have money. Look at you guys. Look at you guys. She's been in tears half the episode because of what you're doing. Obviously, this isn't working. I wanted her to have a new car. I know what you wanted, and it's dumb as fuck.
1:19:18When she pushes back on things, is she ever able to win? No. why are you still with him even loving him why are you still with him because how is this going to turn out in the end sometimes you just have to fucking cut off what you love man why are you still with him because i see our future together the future of him dominating everything and you're not having a single say that's the future no i'm really hoping it's different. Hoping. You've hoped for a decade. I still have hope. Somehow.
1:20:03What's the interest rate on that? I think it's 5.99. It's not the worst. It's not the greatest. Appreciate an asset. 5.09 on the Navy Federal. What is Navy Federal? 4.0! Oh, this is the truck that she thought was paid off. Yeah. Yeah. $1 ,721.46 with a minimum monthly payment of$365.68. Okay, cool. And it's actually worth like almost$10 ,000. So cool. We're going to have a car paid off pretty soon, and we're going to have some equity. It's going to be paid off in what, like five, six months? All right. Cool.
1:20:47because you can't tell the full truth. Why don't you tell us what's up? I just love that truck. Yeah, why don't you tell us what's up in here? What's in the statement?
1:21:02I didn't make any payments to it. I need to make more payments. He's past due on the truck. How far? It's almost paid off. Just a month. It's almost paid off, though, and he's past due.
1:21:19we have money in our account that we can make those payments. I don't know why. I don't know how you can't make the payments or why you're not making the payments. I mean, I caught up now. So you're okay with dry. Cause you're going to have to with the car that you wanted her to get that you now have to pay on and all this, all this stuff you're going to pay off this car pretty soon. If you actually make your payments, You're okay with just driving this into the ground over the next 10 years? Nothing else? Yeah, that was the goal when I bought the truck. Lies. It also pulls my camper. Lies. F***ing lies.
1:21:58I have someone in my ear, iPad, that had a conversation with you when you weren't trying to just look good because you're getting pushed back on. I know exactly what you want to do. And that is a f***ing lie. I want to buy another car. Yeah, what do you want to buy? A Tesla. Okay. And guess what? You guys have conversations. She says, no, we can't afford it. And you don't give a f***. You always win because you just do it. He's going to go get a$45 ,000 Tesla Model Y. He's just going to go do it. And there's nothing that can be done. And that's just in your life now. And there's nothing you can do.
1:22:42you're gonna deal with that forever for the next like six decades you're just gonna let that happen you're just gonna be okay with it i don't know what else to do i don't want gonna tell you to leave but see what the what the mortgage okay what's the house worth today Pretty much the same as what we bought it at. Okay. You owe$250 ,796.13 instead of 6.625 % interest rate. We're just about what we're getting. Eee. Property taxes? $2 ,185.61 minimum payment. Oh, yeah, that makes about sense, that interest rate. Okay. Okay.
1:23:451, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 deaths. That's a lot. Well done. And she has to sit and think about this, and she wants to fix it, and then you won't do anything to do it because this is a great, healthy relationship. What's up with this checking account? Which checking account is it? USAA, Federal, USA, Classic Checkings. There's 941 in there. What's the... I don't have the numbers. We blacked them off for privacy. It's either hers or mine. I mean, I'm seeing, like, gas. What? Yeah, gas. That's going to be the one that your paycheck goes into? Going and getting some bullshit from the gas station.
1:24:28Rojas Kitchen. Going in and getting something from the gas station. Going in and getting something from the gas station. Putters and gutters. Apple putters and gutters. What the f*** even is that? Going in and getting some BS putters and gutters. What is that? It's an entertainment place. You're spending like$36 every second of your life there. Going in. Oh, well, Target, I don't even know. For$214, who knows? Whataburger, Ranch and Home, Netflix, Apple Cash sent out,$80. Minky Couture and Smoke City. Who's Smoke City? Me. What are you getting? A babe. Why? Why? Why accumulate all this debt, have her name on something, get lung cancer, die, and leave her and the baby with it?
1:25:11you're very good at being selfish in this entire relationship. Good job. Apple bill, Amazon, Spotify, Patreon, Texas roadhouse. I guarantee you our YouTube membership has a million times more content on a weekly basis than that Patreon, by the way, we've looked for the most. I guarantee it. Apple, Amazon, Amazon, Apple, Onx maps. Oh, Onyx maps. What is that? It's a hunting app. That, I will say, was a complete accident. So it's an annual-based payment. Yeah, that you can cancel. That I canceled after it came out. I attempted to call and told them I forgot, and they said sorry. Well, yeah, because you followed the contract and paid for it.
1:26:02Why the fuck did they? Okay. Went in, got some beer. What are you getting from the gas stations all the time? Energy drinks and snacks. Buy in bulk, you fucking absolute fuck. Starbucks. Okay, so who's that? Is that both of your spending or just his spending? That's both of ours. What are we doing? That's so much money when we're supposed to be paying off this debt. Okay, 1 ,457 in this check-in account. What's up with this account? That's the one that my paycheck goes into, and it's just for bills. Looks like money just sent back and forth. Yep, just bills. 2 ,602 into this. What is this? That is the savings.
1:26:36That's our joint savings account that we use to pay the mortgage out of. So it's not savings. No. We have another savings. It's a checking account for a mortgage. It's just a separate account that we put a mortgage into. So we can't count that money for anything. Because we know your mortgage is$2 ,185 on a monthly basis. Okay, what about this savings? $2 ,300. That is our savings. Yeah, started at$1 ,000 and went up. So you put a little bit of money in there. Well, we're paying 35%, 36 % interest on all the bulls**t. Okay. TMRS. It's a retirement savings. For which one? That's for mine. $12 ,000.
1:27:12Okay. Not bad. What about you? I have one as well. And? It's at$55 ,000. Not bad. Okay. At least we got that part of us going, guys. At least we have that part. Okay. Okay. I. I. Listen, I'll give to you a course career certification so we can hopefully find you a situation to make more money. and then that gives you the freedom to make a bigger life choice if you ever want to. Not that I necessarily want you guys to. I'm just saying. So whatever you want, we will gift it. $9 ,000 is our income. Okay, let's start figuring out how this budget looks like. And I can give you a debt payoff strategy potentially or how long it takes to pay off, but it all depends on the actions you actually put into it.
1:28:01And right now, I mean, you literally admitted at the beginning that you don't care. So minimum monthly debt payments is$3 ,480.95, not including the mortgage. Mortgage, we have$2 ,185.61. What about utilities altogether? They're probably about$300 to$320. We'll do$320. What about internet? $120. $120. Damn. Gas, room, room, drive, drive for both. hers would be different so I have a company truck that I'm allowed to take home on weekends but during the weekday if I come home I have to take my personal so how much gas on a monthly basis I haven't driven my truck except today in the last month and a half okay so no nothing for this okay what about you on a monthly basis you fill up 3-4 times it's like once a week how much a week like 40 160 bucks car assurances Oh,$372.
1:29:05For both? I think. I can check. I think it's$370-ish. We'll do$372. Phone bill? Uh,$265. Gotta do the f***ing... Ugh. Okay. But that's when it's paid off. Ah, food! Baby's not on the t*** anymore, right? Yes. The baby is still... Baby's on the t***? Yeah. When do they get off? When they want. Yeah, but when do they get off, usually? It really depends. It's different for everyone. The baby is 16 months. When do you think it'll be off? Probably 18 to 20 months. She likes her nighttime snacks. For now, for now, we can do the food budget for$600. It'll go up when you have to start buying for her. She eats lots of food.
1:29:53That are boobies? Yes. So she only has. Yes. So she eats food during the day. I've never had one. I don't know. And nighttime snack is the only time she gets. Okay. Okay. Don't give him any. He doesn't deserve it. No boob for him. Okay. Well, she's just getting like snacks and stuff. Okay. You're going to do 750. It should be good for you guys. Teepee fun with the kid with what you guys need. It's going to be a little bit more. I'm going to call it 300 total. We got the diapers. We got all that good stuff. It's everything you need to survive. 300 bucks. Medical health care. Anything on a monthly basis?
1:30:31No. Not really, no. Get closer to the mic, guys. No, not that I can think of. You have pets? Yes, we have a dog. Age? Health? He's in good health. He's four. Okay, get pet insurance. I'm going to call it$40 a month. No way you guys could afford a big thing if it happened. How much for pet food on a monthly basis? Maybe$40. Anything else that needs to be in your budget that I have not put in your budget? Daycare. Oh. How much a month? 200. That's not bad. 200 a week. Sorry. That's 800 a month. Everything in my head is weekly. You guys have room. This is your choice. This is literally your choice to be in this debt.
1:31:15You need$6 ,866.56 on a monthly basis to survive. That means for your normal month, you have$1 ,133.44. We'll just call it$1 ,000. for some legal room. $1 ,000 left. Okay. Now with your higher balance on that one thing, but also minusing the mortgage, you guys have$144 ,688 of really bad debt. By the way, I don't know if you guys know this, but that's 144 months to pay off the debt. 12 years. Wow.
1:32:0312 years not including the home not including the home no yeah so here's the thing we either have to put in some overtime if that's an option to pick up even more and more and more do you turn overtime down no we need to start looking at increasing your income you have a good job you're sticking with and you're trying to make as much as possible we're going to start finding another job for you or looking for a way to move up internally which sounds hard so maybe moving to a different place but um we need to up your income situation if you're able to up this by 150 bucks or a 500 an extra 500 hours on a monthly basis like what was it 100 117 000 hours of bad debt something like that i mean that moves us down pretty substantially it doesn't cut us in half but it's pretty substantial it's pretty close actually it's like two-thirds the time this is brutal when something's looking over like well over a decade when you make good money bankruptcy sometimes yeah can be considered considered an option it's stressful it's expensive but this is a brutal situation you guys can probably pay down in eight years if you bring an extra 500 a month it's difficult we're gonna get a second set of eyes on this with how brutal this is again the free therapy sessions take advantage of that but also i'm gonna sit you guys down with uh uh reed he's who we work with him for uh our accounting stuff but he's also a cpa and a big finance nerd let's see him and get him a second opinion we'll pay for that session for you guys thank you and maybe maybe there's another way out of this that's not bankruptcy or a thousand billion jillion years but this is just brutal that's not honestly what i'm focusing on here i'm focusing on the relationship and the relationship is a joke and i don't know how you guys are going to survive together i'm sure you guys are both lovely people outside of the financial situation, but finances, which is one of the leading causes for divorce in this country, I don't know how you guys are going to make it.
1:33:57You have the baby right now holding it together a bit more. I don't know what you guys are going to do a few years from now. Good luck. And I just feel bad for you. I really do. Spending in a budget, you overspent zero out of 10 debt. I mean, this is horrendous. Look how long it takes to pay off. It's going to be a one out of 10 though. It's as low as you can get without having anything in collections or IRS debt. Emergency fund, there is a little bit there. I mean, I'd have a one month emergency fund or whatever it takes to cover your highest deductible saved up and the rest starts going to the debt i'll give it a two out of ten retirement yeah okay what did you say yours was 55 you're 28 yeah if we're looking to one time salary by the time we are 30 you're probably close to a six or seven i'll give you a seven out of ten okay well and then you what remind me your retirement again i think it was like 12 000 with where you are 26 trying to get to that you're probably about a 7 out of 10 as well so 7 out of 10 okay real estate not much of an equity position so it's not the best position but it's okay at a 5 out of 10 you'll get there with time obviously the retirement and real estate is what is going to lift you guys up and make you look better than you really are it's going to be a hammer financial score today as you said a 3 out of 10 and it's because of those elements guys join us in the post show we usually find out even more interesting information that i don't know but the producers know everything about them so we talk about it there so join us thousands of hours of extra content in our hammer elite version it's literally the best membership on the entire platform we've proved it with the source that we are on so in terms of value driven make sure to join that and download the simpler budget app check out annual if you want that signed notebook the founder's edition we'll send it to you see you guys in the What are you going to spend on this stupid fishing trip?
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