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Financial Audit Podcast Episode Summary
Podcast Details
- Title: Financial Audit
- Host: Caleb Hammer
- Episode Title: Gen-Z Scumbag Thinks He’s Better Than Me | Financial Audit
- Description: The episode features a discussion with Marcus, a 25-year-old sales development representative who struggles with debt management and financial decisions.
Key Themes and Discussions
Introduction to the Guest
- Guest Name: Marcus
- Age: 25
- Location: Round Rock, Texas
- Occupation: Sales development in the video and game development industry with a part-time job in private security.
Financial Situation Overview
- Income:
- Transitioned to part-time, earning $27,500 annually (approx. $2,200 monthly).
- Secondary income from security work at $21/hour.
- Monthly Income: Approximately $4,100 total from both jobs, with additional cash assistance from parents.
Debt and Spending Analysis
- Credit Card Debt:
- Over the credit limit on multiple cards, including a Best Buy card with a limit of $10,700, currently at $10,967.
- Minimum payments taking up a large portion of monthly income.
- High-interest rates causing significant debt accrual.
- Spending Patterns:
- Identified issues with spending on "fun money," which amounted to approximately $200 monthly while struggling to pay bills.
- Significant spending on dining out and subscriptions, without clear tracking of where money was going.
Discussion on Financial Literacy
- Marcus claims financial literacy but struggles to manage debt effectively, contradicting his self-assessment (self-rated 4 out of 10).
- Unawareness of total expenditures, leading to continued overspending, particularly on credit cards.
Financial Management Strategies
- Proposed Strategies:
- Focus on debt repayment through strategies like the snowball or avalanche methods.
- Suggested taking a budgeting class offered by the host.
- Recommendations to downgrade housing costs to free up finances.
- Debt Consolidation:
- Discussed potential personal loan to pay off high-interest credit cards but warned against the risk of continuing detrimental spending behaviors.
Future Goals
- Plans to improve financial situation by:
- Seeking a full-time job in sales.
- Dedicating more time to work to increase earnings.
- Implementing a structured budget to track and manage expenses effectively.
Key Takeaways
- Debt Management is Crucial: Marcus's situation illustrates the importance of understanding debt and maintaining a budget to avoid accruing more debt than is manageable.
- Behavioral Changes Required: Simply consolidating debt without addressing spending habits is not a sustainable solution.
- Financial Literacy Alone is Not Enough: Knowledge must translate into action for effective financial management, emphasizing the need for practical budgeting skills.
Conclusion The episode highlights common pitfalls among young adults in managing their finances and emphasizes the necessity of combining knowledge with disciplined financial practices. Marcus's journey underscores the challenges of financial literacy when not accompanied by effective money management and behavioral change.
For further insights, listeners are encouraged to check out the resources linked in the description for budgeting tools and financial education programs.
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Transcript
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1:36I'm well informed about it. Mathematically, it is proven right here. Take a look. That is going to ruin my day. Hi, my name is Marcus and I'm based in Round Rock, Texas. I'm 25 years old and this is Financial Audit. What do you do in Round Rock for a living? So now I'm in sales development. um fancy word for i handle the inbound and outbound initial um emails phone calls and such for what prime it's in uh video and game development oh that's fun extremely cool yeah but some of the audience might be familiar with the strikes that happened last year so i've i have two jobs and i've had two jobs for five or six years now okay well let's stick with that one first.
2:24What do you make with this job? Is it widely commission based? So no, the salary was pretty good. I cut it down to part time, but it was 55 ,000 at full time. But now I've cut that down halfway. So 27 ,500, it shakes out to about 26 ,44 an hour, I believe. Okay. Why'd you cut that down? So I was getting pretty frustrated because I hit my two year mark there. And Initially, when I had joined the team, everything was really great. I was hired on to start this role in the company. The one other person I was hired with, she left the company. Shortly after that, my boss, the chief strategy officer, left the company.
3:09Things kind of started falling apart there. One of the biggest issues was that I didn't have KPIs. No matter how good or poorly or average I did, I didn't have anything to show for it. so I couldn't push for promotions. I couldn't push for raises. I couldn't even push for bonuses. Aren't you gathering your own then? I tried many times and I put forward proposals for - How long have you been part-time then? Since April. Are you not showing the company that you're on your way out? The team is shrinking. Why would they keep you if you're indicating you're on your way out? Well, I do. I try to, and even recently I've asked to go back to full-time, but because of how much the industry as a whole is struggling.
3:53Okay. So is the company struggling because of the company is actually revenue struggling? Yeah. It's not because of the culture. Okay. Yeah. And what's the other job? You said you have two jobs. So what's the other? So now I'm in security. I just got into that last month. Security is great. Wait, what kind of security? Cybersecurity? Private security. Okay. That's great. Pay is decent. It's not what I would prefer. Okay. What is the pay? So that one's 21 an hour right now. Yeah. Okay. But it's a little lax to kind of just walk around a complex. So in the meantime, how many hours a week? It's between 30 and 50 right now.
4:27So what's the income that comes in on a monthly basis? What came in last month? Last month, I believe it was like something like 4 ,100, give or take. This is actually a bit confusing. We had cash and check-in. That might be from work, 1 ,748th. And we had Zellen of 2 ,238. And then a payroll check of 887. But also a Robin Hood cash out. Obviously, we're not going to count that. So minus that, we're at$4 ,964. Just about. Sounds about right. Some of that might have been Venmo that was not my income. Some of the small Venmo, I think there was like a$300 on there. That was me asking my parents for help.
5:11You're asking your parents for help right now. Unfortunately, yeah. I made poor decisions. and needed some extra income. How long have you been asking your parents for help? Probably since 2022, I want to say. It's occasional and I try to minimize it. What's occasional? That was the first point that I had asked for help in like a year, probably. How much? Grand total this year, I think I've taken 2 ,300. It's okay to get help, but you've personally cut your own hours down by choice. So that's where I'm like, what the are we talking about getting help? Yeah. You cut down your own hours by choice because you didn't like it, which, okay, we can do.
5:55But all of a sudden, if we're not able to pay our bills, we're looking for a better strategy to recoup the income that we're losing. So it wasn't just because I didn't like it. When I cut my hours down in April, it was because I met somebody who made$60 ,000 in one month doing door-to-door sales. and I thought well I can do that yeah I mean it was terrible I I tried it I made like one sale got me about two grand and then after that was what were you selling door to door solar of course of course it's solar um so it was for a purpose I was I was pursuing other income but then it didn't work out and so if it doesn't work out go to the job and say can I get more hours right because your sales so you're benefiting the company if you're working more if they're allowing you to work more hours it's because you're obviously generating revenue for the business the sales pipeline was so dry that um almost as dry as your mouth take a drink you're smacking yeah the the sales pipeline was real dry um any additional work i could have put in was really just being done by the the sales directors how long do you have sales on your resume three and a half years maybe see that's great because sales you can take that skill and you can sell something listen i wouldn't say go door-to-door for solar that's usually not the sales that's like woo let's do that because everyone tries that and everyone hates solar salesman yeah i can gift you a tech certification uh a sales a tech sales certification through course careers to help boost that resume further but keep or do you want to keep going into sales because this can still be a lucrative place well there we go yeah yeah sales is is where i want to be um i want to start like i well i've started my own businesses haven't really got them going yet but uh what business do you start when are you oh that's such a detract that's taken no no what no what businesses are you starting because you're taking money from your parents right now what are you starting what business are you starting a little entrepreneur what are we doing so now i'm just working on product research trying to find ways to break into e-commerce what what what side of e-commerce are you trying to break into starting with amazon fba oh me are you drop shipping guy i'd probably start with that i would assume okay um but additionally you tried solar sales which everyone and their mom does so you're trying the other thing that everyone and their mom does yeah and of course there are people that make it just like there are people that make it in anything the majority yeah uh seeing somebody show the proof that they made 60 000 i thought you know i if i made a tenth of that i'd be fine it uh 10 000 no they made 60 000 in just march and oh in a month one month 60 000 and they showed me the proof i i figured i could do it it was not as easy as I expected.
8:49Additionally, for my own business, I'm studying the International Residential Code to maybe start a second stream of building inspections. Building inspections? You're going to be an inspector? Yeah, I think it's a good qualification. Sure it is, but what gets me a little concerned is when we just have so many, our hands in so many different pots, you're not focusing in on one. We're part-time and we're borrowing money from parents. It sounds like you're doing every hustle that every, you know, like I'm going to be an entrepreneur type a person does like you're going down those same rabbit holes as so many people the success rate for drop shipping is generally between 10 and 20 percent that's higher than i thought it was so it sounds like something we should bet our life on that is funny yeah our life i supplement by working the 50 to 70 hours a week what do you mean so both jobs come together yeah yeah so i but but but who working 50 to 70 hours a week is borrowing money from their parents It was because for a short, so while I had two jobs, the previous job I worked as a server in a restaurant and then I quit that.
9:52So there was about a two month period where I only had the one job that was part time. So I usually work two jobs. Okay, no, why? So because I think it gets us a little confused when we have our hands in so many different pots. What you could be doing is focusing the skills resume you have possibly taking advantage of the certification to boost your resume. take that find a better sales job an actual sales job in an actual company that isn't you just going out there and busting for solar take that work 40 hours a week 50 hours a week and make more money instead of making less money at 50 to 70 but because you're distributing your time and energy across all these different piles of things you're not focused in on what can actually be what's generating you the revenue to take care of debt obviously because you're on the show and you want that comes on the show has debt.
10:44So again, I mean, that's just another pile that is in this thing that you have to deal with. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Um, and that's part of the issue is that the, the job market right now is extremely competitive. Um, so finding something that's full time and pays at least what I'm making now or more, which is what I would need. Uh, well, I think that I need for my bills, but I haven't worked out the budget the way, uh, that you do. I'm trying to find something that can at least get me maybe$4 ,500 a month full time. Next time you go to sell something in person, man, just threaten to stab their eyes out with the weapons hanging from your ears.
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13:14So what's going on? What are we looking at today? My situation I think is a little different than some of the people on here because my issue is that I am, I'd consider myself pretty financially literate and i choose to make yeah yeah i choose to make poor decisions and then can't even justify it to myself later looking at it it's a weird case but i look at the numbers and i don't know where all my money's going how are you financially literate but you don't know where your money's going what are you talking that doesn't make any sense those contradict each other to the extreme take a drink you are a lip smacker you are a dry mouth guy this is a podcast no one wants that what would you give yourself self-assessed financial score i'd give myself a generous four i pay my bills my bills are paid okay tammy why um i have i have a historically i every single bill since i was 18 everything is all paid on time nothing hits collections nothing um that's our definition of being solid down the middle it's four is below average but the positive points that i give myself on the score are the fact that a lot of people do have late payments or collections and things and i just i don't have that because i pay my bills okay if you want your hammer financial score it's free a link in the description below and if you want to be on this show by the way and if you have interesting story interesting finances anything like that apply caleb hammer.com slash apply we'll have you here in austin texas let's start with the best buy card jesus christ that one is tough okay Okay.
15:00Sure. Okay. The thing is, what is everything a joke? What are you doing? No, no. This is the go-plop with my worst credit card and some of the worst decisions. Yeah, financially literate. I'm a 4 out of 10, guys. You're financially literate, you say. You'd pay your bills, all this stuff. The credit limit on here is$10 ,700. You're at$10 ,967. So I don't know what you're talking about. Interest hits like a truck. So why are you purchasing on it then? So I kind of fall into this loop. What is that? What are you doing? You're adjusting with it constantly. Oh, because it falls. Why are you wearing it?
15:43I have some scars that bother me. That's fine. Sorry. I'm just, the spending annoyed me. Yeah. So I'm in this loop where my credit card minimum payments take up like all of my income. so then we'll have to buy things like gas and groceries and uh fun money fun money you why would there be fun money smirk smirk smirk why would there be fun money why would there be fun money in in what world would there be fun money if you literally cannot pay your bills it's tough to keep going without fun stuff how much fun stuff um probably like 200 a month sorry that's that's just gonna kill the listeners i probably 200 a month fun money so how much was your spending spending on what spending i mean all of it i mean at least all of my paychecks because it's not a number
16:394200 7 ,024 financially literate four out of ten i know a lot of that was rent but doesn't matter it's the number yeah you thought it was almost half yeah i have no idea
17:01okay and your bullshit you think it's only a couple hundred bucks 400 bucks for both yeah i think so
17:11going out to eat was a little small large purchases you had large purchases of a thousand seven hundred seventy seven dollars even your phone bill is four hundred twenty eight my portion is two fifty less so it comes in yeah yeah i don't know where all that money went uh for the substantial purchase i cannot think of anything that was oh we'll go through them don't you believe it it wasn't a single purchase of 1776 going out to eat was about 500 well going out to eat and miscellaneous bull is about 500 combined which is already over your 400 max of money that you thought you spent on bull unnecessary fun yeah yeah that's more than i thought i was spending okay best buy
17:5610 ,967 dollars and 76 cents minimum monthly payment and you're right this i mean this is It's substantial. $651.76. That's a huge hit. It's a huge hit, especially while just trying to gather money from anywhere we can by working different jobs. I get it. Interest charged$273. You made the minimum monthly payment, but it doesn't matter because you purchased$1 ,329 on it, which makes no sense when it's accruing that much interest when you're at the credit limit And when you can't make more than the minimum monthly payments. I think that a majority of that was the phone bill and electric bill.
18:43Can't think of what else would have been substantial on it. Apple bill. In-app. In-app. Or a subscription. Open AI. Chat GPT. In-app Apple thing. Truthfinder.com. Who are we truthfinding on? Okay, so that one was relevant. I was looking for family members information. Why? Didn't have access to it. Somebody been missing for a while. Someone's missing? Yeah. Did you find them? Found them now. Yeah. And I canceled it immediately. And are they? Yeah. Things are good. Other family members like couldn't connect you? That's eventually what ended up happening because Truthfinder couldn't do it. So it was pointless.
19:21In-app Apple purchase. In-app Apple purchase. In-app Apple purchase. In-app Apple purchase. In-app Apple purchase. Or subscriptions. Whatever these are. I can't see. Oh, well, you have every subscription possible. Well, they're for AppleCare for a bunch of individual devices. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, eight? I believe six are AppleCare. The rest is Grindr. Okay. And then HBO Max and then Best Buy. HBO I canceled because that one should be included with my phone bill, but for some reason it's not. And I don't even watch it, so it doesn't matter. Yeah. And then Best Buy. How much was it Best Buy?
19:56It looks like you went and got like a bag of candy or something. Oh, no. Was it a dollar? $132 to Apple. Yeah. Yeah. I keep all these AppleCare subscriptions because I just am nervous I'm going to break something. It's going to cost way more. Cool. Keep paying your minimum monthly payment on this as you are and it takes 25 years to pay off. Yeah. That was bad. $1 ,695.33 of interest. This year alone on this card. Year's not even done. Yeah. That's what I was looking at. which is 2000 by the end of the year, probably. Yeah. That's what prompted me to do all this because I looked at all of my credit cards combined.
20:33And so I was paying about 600 a month in just interest. Pretty severe. Why do you know some things, but you don't know others? You have taken the step of understanding that. Whoa, wonderful. Great. Like actually, well, actually, sorry, I was being sarcastic. No, genuinely, that is great. But then why do you not know that you're spending double what you thought you were spending? Why are you putting money on a car that you cannot pay off why are you doing all the actions behind these that are absolutely ridiculous looking for something scalable to get me out of it yeah i choose a job which usually has more than a 10 success rate i've got two of them yeah i choose like a full-time job i've got one of them full-time job that pays the bills which you can with your resume experience and potential skill set yeah yeah um the issue is really just okay getting endlessly scratching your legs and i'm just adjusting my pants okay um why what's going on down there because i feel like they're high waters i don't think they are but i'm trying to adjust them none of that or words to me yeah yeah i absolutely feel like i could find a better job but the just looking for something no it's that wasn't my question my question is why are you knowledgeable in the fact that you know you're paying so much interest but nothing has changed around it
21:54you gathered the information but you didn't execute anything well the issue is keeping up with the minimums right now and what was it 150 bucks to spend on apple that gets you close to some of the minimums yeah you're never going to catch up on the minimums if you're making this balance go even higher and higher and higher every month you make it worse because your minimum last month was 400 but now it's 651 and that was paid i paid my i pay every statement as soon as i get Yeah, but it's going higher. You're making it harder for yourself, and you're saying it's taken away from actually making any more progress.
22:28Yeah, I unfortunately agree with that. Not much I can argue against. No, I'm asking why. You haven't given me a reason why. At least self-assess, you think you have done no actions around this, even though you are knowledgeable about your interest situation and your minimum to payment situation. why don't you cut back on the eating out on any of the fun i don't think i eat out very often listen you're eating out it's 200 bucks it's not absolutely insane compared to a lot of people on the show that's like that's a third of this minimum payment yeah it gets you there it gets you there your other miscellaneous bull about 300 bucks throw that towards it you're basically there you're almost there when i can't afford my minimum payments mommy and daddy come help me oh wait on things that are just going out to eat stopping and getting taquitos and just bull video games or whatever that could have paid the minimum payment almost that was i only asked for help while i had one part-time job now i'm good now i don't need help listen it happened yeah and this is the life you're living you're spending that money and you're saying because of the minimum payments being too high that's why i can't afford to live and i'm not making progress where in fact you could have well you could have more than made your past minimum monthly payment but again you put more money on this but with what goes to miscellaneous bs and this is and going out to eat it was nothing yeah so i have a bit of a plan for that car oh well it's here plans are good um it's just the execution behind it that concerns me based on your actions but go ahead that's a little what i'm concerned about so it was the execution sure but i got a personal loan which i've done before no okay but it's it's a it's a good one in here do i have the statement you have the inquiry on this one he brought a little what is it the Experian report oh sh** so it's I was rocking with zero inquiries for quite some time but when I was looking at everything I was trying to figure out a way to fix it when someone brings a fresh folder to the show you know things are not going well so my idea is paying off this 30 % interest rate and then another card with 30 % interest rate the loan is 17.73 and and not spending on those cards anymore no you need to close them you can't control it it doesn't matter you're not taking advantage of any credit you have 30 % maxed out you can't do it you can have a card you can have something like the Fizz card a charge card you put the money on you can only spend what you put on and it helps your credit you can do that you cannot have access to ten thousand dollars you can't you don't know how to do it yeah and every every time like i had it at like 6400 and then um they raised my credit yeah and they keep they keep well and they knew stop you that's what you would have to do i don't want you to consolidate anyway because doing that before fixing behavior doesn't do anything that just you that brings up cards that makes you open another card that gets you in a worse situation trust me many people have been on the show that are on the other side of what you're about to do my only concern with closing the cards though is affecting the average age of credit history yes absolutely of course absolutely it affects your credit score but guess what you're getting 30 overspending on your limit what is more beneficial that you're going to take advantage enjoy with having a good credit score, then you are getting f***ed.
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26:41The end goal is fixing it and then being able to get a house. Yeah, and we can do that. And guess what? You can build a credit score again with charge cards. And yes, yes, you're right. Credit history and age, credit age will be an impactful part of this. You're also learning it by opening the personal loan anyway. But regardless, we can get you into the world of having a good credit score and getting a house. But that's far away anyway, because you're negative money right now. So by the time that that's even a part of it, we can have discipline. We can have credit cards. You're looking long term, but short term.
27:15It doesn't make sense. Yeah. Yeah. It's been a common, common trend looking at the long term and making the poor decisions that don't coincide with it okay and what are you doing to address this something you know this show's not a magic pill we're gonna call out the situation issues making people aware of their situation creating a light plan and connecting them with resources so i usually i try to follow a bit of a budget but it usually only goes no budget you didn't know how much came in you didn't know how much went out you don't budget don't don't don't even use the word budget go through a budgeting class go through the budgeting program take all the quizzes go through all three hours.
27:52Take your family through it if you want. You get it for free for being a guest on the show. Go through that because no, you don't budget. You don't know what a budget is. And you can get the budgeting program right now and the investing program where you get$100 in to your Moo Moo account. And that's all at a 15 % discount right now, by the way. Check that out. But you get it for free. So go through it. Take advantage of it. On the Apple card,$1 ,431.82. The$51 minimum payment. You could have easily made this minimum payment with the amount you you spent with a fourth of what you spent on going out to eat so i don't know what the you're talking about before and i did yeah you paid it but you said it takes away all your money from being able to make progress i know you're making minimum but progress i think i pay more than a minimum i'm pretty sure that on like usually did it on the last one and so on the on the apple you did on the last one you did not did not pay the on the apple you did on the previous card we looked that you did not oh so that one was because the minimum for the best buy is usually like 400 but because the interest shoved it way over the limit the minimum also tax on yeah the over limit yeah you made a little more 27.24 interest rate you're getting the 35 and 70 cents of interest accruing across the board uh 401k oh okay 401k loan though bj's wholesale club makes holiday hosting so easy we called in thanksgiving's original host to talk about it pilgrim here we could have used bj's back in the day imagine stepping off a boat then foraging for your first thanksgiving it's a whole new world now bj's brings thanksgiving right to your door with free same day delivery on your first order of 100 or more we're talking turkey squash pies all at prices so good they'll knock the buckle right off your hat for terms visit bjs.com slash thanksgiving and get the same And Great Savings Online is in club.
29:44This is a loan. I was going to say, usually the investment accounts are at the end of the stack. Well, that's why.
29:54$1 ,883 against your$6 ,800 in equity position. Yeah, so the issue with that. Why did you take out a 401k loan? That's the issue. That was to pay off a previous personal loan. How did that work? It paid it off. Because you're doing it again. And guess what? We brought up more debt on the side anyway. Because we didn't fix the behavior before we tried taking a shortcut. Yeah. And then the issue with those was that the company, in a lot of the adjustments, they switched from one provider to a different provider, and then from that provider to another provider, which stopped those from getting automatically paid.
30:38And then they just ended up defaulting. i'll probably just call them up and pay them um to have that closed out though this yeah first before anything before the credit cards what's the interest rate on this if i recall i think the interest rate pays back into the account um but what's the interest rate on the loan on that one i don't know well it's not on here and i know your minimum payment yes that comes up before you get money probably uh not anymore because once they what's the minimum payment then I think both of them were There's two There's a balance of$244, one with like a $1800 balance Oh, f***, let's see the$244 Okay, so what's the minimum monthly payment?
31:20Both of them were $84, so I think $84 together? I think one maybe$170 together Freedom card This is chunky $5 ,390.20 I swear if you purchase on this I'm going to freak out. You didn't, thank you thank you but you're basically at the credit limit 100 bucks away minimum repayment 176 again with your spending and needing out yeah you did make a little extra so what do you mean there's no money left over you're obviously putting a little extra towards some of the debts just going about it in a weird way what's your strategy you're putting a little extra to this one a little extra to this one a little extra to this one like that doesn't make any progress that's not any of the accepted debt payoff strategies it's paying all of them off more than the minimum um so So I feel like it makes progress on all of them.
32:11Okay. If you put all the extra on your smallest debt, right, it pays off the smallest debt quicker, right? Then paying just a little extra on everything across the board, correct? Yeah, the snowball. Now, when you pay off the smallest debt, what happens? No more interest on that one. Okay. No, now you no longer have the minimum monthly payment on that. And that minimum monthly payment that used to go towards that gets rolled into the next one. And that's why it snowballs. So that's the benefit of the snowball. Avalanche. What's Avalanche? you know avalanche oh avalanche is the other way they accept the day that payoff strategy avalanche is paying off the highest interest card why do we do this we do this so you know we don't have the highest interest rate card accruing anymore mathematically that one actually saves the most amount of time but or actually saves the most amount of money but that snowball is the best psychologically keeping people motivated no one suggests putting a little extra across the board because you're not making progress on your highest interest card as substantial as you need to and you're not making progress on your smallest debt to allow that minimum payment to go to the next step.
33:09This strategy is getting you nowhere quicker. Yeah. I mean, technically quicker than just minimum payments, but it's not accelerating you there like the other plans would have you. Yeah. And that makes sense. I don't think I framed it that way before with this personal loan. I didn't know the name of Avalanche, but that's how I was looking at doing it. But you're not. Why? Well, now I am. I was going to do the Best Buy and then... And then, okay, what you were going to do, but you're not doing it. It hasn't been done yet. We can all say we were going to do something. But it's not what you were doing.
33:43Yeah, so I agree with the avalanche side of things. I don't want to do that. You were above the credit limit at the beginning of the month. Because of interest. Yes, because of interest. But you also put it all the way up there in order for it to be put above with interest. Yeah. and I don't know how all of the you know the death by a thousand cuts got me to that. Because you don't budget I can't believe you're about to tell me you budget you don't budget you don't know what a budget is you've never heard of a budget in your life never seen a budget you've never seen it. Well when I look at a budget I think like I kind of track where all of my paychecks for the next month forward which bills they're going to pay for yeah but then you don't look back there's no point of it if you don't look back and see what actually happened or adjust it for the future doesn't make sense that's what a budget is again you'll get it in the class oh you got a refund from something okay this is a 25.99 percent interest costco card city costco wow love that one that was my first uh apparently you do because it's above the credit limit again are you kidding me how is this happening how's it you purchased you purchased on it how are you doing this how are you doing okay what my producers told me before i was heading in this room that i was about to talk to someone who knows his numbers who is financially well-informed, yet I have seen someone at a credit limit on a card and above a credit limit on two cards.
35:07Well-spending on those cards. I don't f***ing understand. Your producers didn't lie. I'm well-informed about it. I just keep it going. Okay, then that's even worse. It's worse. Because if you were ignorant to it and you kept it going, I would, you know, we could help you out of it. But the fact that you're like, you know it, and then you're choosing to f***ing stab yourself in your throat, yeah yeah maybe less than death by a thousand cuts and stabbing the throat's accurate uh-huh but i don't think that i really made any substantial purchases on that eight hundred and eighty two dollars oh that was the car repair yeah i had to do that you didn't have an emergency fund i didn't yeah every time i have savings i just throw it into a into a card into a what into one of the credit cards oh then it's not savings that's an emergency fund what's your car it's a um 2019 ford fusion wait wait wait okay who is she that's my girlfriend your girlfriend yeah why the are you paying for your girlfriend's car with money you don't have that puts you above a credit limit while interest is accruing between the two of us it was the best option we had what the uh and a couple million people yeah well what the mechanic was offering was this horrible deferred interest pay off this large balance within, I think it was like three months.
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36:29Otherwise, it's an interest. How large? Working out the numbers, the interest was well over 100%. No, no, no. How large is the balance you had to pay off in three months? Oh, like 800? Technically, you could have done it. I wouldn't have wanted someone like you to have it, though, because you don't want to manage paying your debt. But even still, why are you paying for hers? That's what the question was, not what debt offerings were you given because i knew her options were worse so just kind of between the how much are you taking care of her i mean she pays it over time so you're she's in debt to you technically yeah do you help her in other ways um i mean we live together but Does she pay towards rent?
37:17Now, how is this debt payback going? What does it look like? She just stacks it on to what she gives me for rent. Just throws it on. How much? Usually about$100. Usually about$100. So it's not a specific amount to be paid off by a specific amount of time? So working in a restaurant, money varies quite a bit. So it just depends. I don't ask for it. Because you guys don't budget. Okay. How did you rack up the card to begin with? because it wasn't an$800 car thing. You were already basically there. And also, it was Costco, Costco Gas, PayPal Postal, PayPal Postal, Wendy's, Apple Bill, Amazon. There actually wasn't a...
37:58Oh, here it is. There's the auto repair. But everything else as well. And then a Microsoft thing. Yeah, so the... It's kind of a plan fee. The plan fee? Yeah, so plan fee for the card. That's for the computer that I have financed under that card. It's very nice. What are you doing? I have a weakness for technology
38:20what wrecked this card up to begin with I can't remember and I think part of it is because I used to have quite a few and you called yourself knowledgeable about your finances well I used to have quite a few nights out I'm now past nine months sober so congratulations that's actually really good good job but what are you saying so you would spend this four-year nights out is that what you're saying sometimes and i think also i would make bad purchases while drunk what i don't know i don't remember because i was so drunk what about the computer thing um what about it so that when you drunkenly got a computer no that was that was fully sober that was i have a how much was it uh so i had a buddy that worked at apple and he also So like a 500 off credit in addition to the 25 % off.
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40:27Streaming, you do not need that for streaming. Video editing? Okay, video editing, sure, unless you're like four channels of raw red footage at 8K, you don't need a Mac Studio. But future-proof. Future-proof, that doesn't make sense because by the time you would want to get it, there would be something twice as good out there. By the time you're ready to go. You're not future-proofing. You'll have antiquated technology. It'll still do it well, of course, very well, in fact. But still, you bought the technology for what you want to do when better technology will exist. yeah well also for something that again you're i mean you're trying like 50 different careers drop shipping and all this bullshit we're video editing now what are you video editing what kind of video editing what are we doing what's the plan what's happening not doing anything right now because i don't have time because of the other drops what would you video edit probably games huh i like video games clips from video games um yeah yeah you do not need a max studio
41:25that's literally correct yes get a thousand two hundred dollar pc use premiere pro call it a day adobe's been in some hot water recently so i kind of stick with final cut okay final cut's fine it just forces you to get a more expensive device you'd be okay with uh how much was your computer after all the things after everything uh 2500 relatively close to a macbook pro you'd probably yet but of course it's not mobile and i well i do have a macbook pro from 2018 that's you would have been okay depending on its internals internals are okay it's been slowing down over time it was getting pretty hot is it apple silicon no no it's 2018 so it has intel so yeah i wanted something i wanted something with apple silicon and and then current one is just slowing down discover it I swear everyone on this show has discovered it.
42:16Okay. And here we are. $1 ,465.99. There's still purchases. There's still purchases. We keep doing this. And again, this is borderline at its max. So everything we've looked at is either over the max or at its max. While purchasing. While you're knowledgeable about it. Which actually upsets me more than anything else. Because you actually know what's happening. and borrowing money from the parents. So, this is it. Yeah, it's because, I mean, after paying all of my debts. Is what you say and what you said, except that's not true because we have your spending categories. We know you spent minimum$500 on bullsh**.
42:58And we'll go through the large purchases of$1 ,776 of$77. Well, yeah, but I had to use the credit card to do it because I couldn't. To do what? I couldn't. To do what? To spend. Yes. But if you didn't spend it on bullsh**, you wouldn't have spent it. I don't think that much across them is bullsh**. F*** you. It's right here. We went through it. We put the time into it. What do you mean you think? This isn't a think. It's not an opinion. It's not an opinion. Yeah. You all have to go through the lines and figure out where that was going. PayPal'd out$67. That's in the large purchase category. You zelled out$1 ,180.
43:38Is that rent? one um zelda no it's not because we have housing as a separate category wait how much did i zel out total 1180 transfer to an account externally 125 apple cash out 380 dollars and cash app and out 25 those are the other large things category which made up 1777 dollars i have no idea what great and then on this card even though you made the minimum payment guess what the balance went up because you purchased. Even though it was a small amount, you still purchased. You're mining that with$35.71 of interest. It went to$1 ,465.89 on a credit line of$1 ,500 with a minimum monthly payment of$56 now.
44:22Really just the opposite of any progress, the opposite of any discipline, the opposite of any financial maturity, and it's an Amazon purchase.
44:34Okay. All right. What was it? The Amazon purchase? Oh, yeah. I think it was a pen, like a writing utensil pen. A KFC tale in the pursuit of flavor. The holidays were tricky for the Colonel. He loved people, but he also loved peace and quiet. So he cooked up KFC's$4.99 chicken pot pie. Warm, flaky, with savory sauce and vegetables. It's a tender, chicken-filled excuse to get some time to yourself and step away from decking the halls, whatever that means. The Colonel lived, so we could chicken. KFC's Chicken Pot Pie, the best$4.99 you'll spend this season. Prices and participation may vary while supplies last.
45:14Taxes, tips, and fees extra. A singular pen for$21? Oh, it's$21? Uh... No, no, I don't know. Pull up your Amazon. Alright, let's see here. Watermelon Fountain Pen Ink Intense? Oh, for the pen. Your debt's only getting worse. $44 on this pen and then$9 for the ink while our debt's only going up and borrowing money from our parents and have no idea what our career is because we're a mess right now. What the world are you living in? You're not living in the real world. That was after I got the second job and I went back. I don't give a shit. Your debt's only going up. Don't try to excuse it. I don't have to borrow from my parents anymore.
45:55I know you keep saying that, but guess what? You did and your debt's going up. Debt's going up. Yeah. You got some batteries. That's fine. more ink you got ink twice you little ink guy and that black ink refills are you pen obsessed what are you for work here let me make your day here's a pen congratulations best thing you've ever had you got an industrial uh flashlight oh my gosh refill for pens What? You refill for Parker pens! What are you doing? You're obsessed! This is crazy! I use them for work. You go through four pens a day? Sometimes the ink is bad and they dry up. Oh my f - What is this?
46:43Automatic - If this is pen related, I'm going to freak out. What is this? Brush kit? Is this a brush or pen? No, that was for part of the car repair. rather than having them charge me$100 for... Acoustic sound panels? You don't need that. Need. Think of the word need. Well, that was because I was having issues with noise. You're wearing the things that you... Those you just bought. Indeed. Little spike earrings. Those little weapons. Protein powder. Great. Gotta grow all that muscle for all the intense pen writing. that was spread over months it's not like a ton of crazy purchases in one month this is last month what are you on about
47:35I write a ton I fill these books up so quick we refill it like once every six months what type of pen is that I might buy one a nice pen no don't you don't have money to especially because what is this car what is this auto loan what is your car um oh my car is a 2019 uh hyundai tucson um i not the best interest rate but it's 5.66 so that's not it but if you calculate in depreciation and everything it's probably not keeping up with the market anyway where the money could be no i i just looked at it the other day and saw that for the first time since i got it i'm upside down what you see what was it was the number i think it was like nine and a half or ten huh i think so huh oh oh oh really i think so you're down by a third because you owe fifteen thousand six hundred seventy six dollars and thirty seven cents yeah five point six six percent interest rate four hundred eleven dollar minimum payment and i do agree that the minimum payments are stacking don't get me wrong on that i just disagree that they are you you have nothing left out to them i really don't that minimum is actually like 490 but um it shows less because i always pay 500 and then after many months of that stacking up it gotcha ask for less again you're not doing any debt payoff strategy that is actually proven to be beneficial we gotta reorganize this thing it's not making progress venmo this is this is this has started to come on the show recently a venmo credit card i don't know when they came out with this but you know anyone that's addicted to debt they've started to get it that one i might i think i might cancel because i actually just saw cancel them all you don't know how to use debt that one's raising the interest rate too so two uh 32 49 oh my gosh yeah on my latest statement it says finally making money 1 409.39 minimum you're over the limit again you don't have a debt except for your car you don't have a debt that you're not over at the limit all for pens and ink that's insane i don't understand the point of this life that you're living it's like you don't care about your future and then your retirement like you start to contribute to it then you borrow against it yeah yeah the retirement one's frustrating too because um used to have a really solid match it's it started from 100 investing schedule day one but then it's part of like the budget cuts that they just stopped offering for 1k well your car We're actually getting a higher private market value, but you know the condition better than us.
50:17So you put in your VIN and condition and everything, and you got about$10 ,000 is what you got. I might be wrong. I didn't print it out. We're getting about$13 ,000. Okay. Oh, and we put in all the information that you had. Not dramatically underwater. Still underwater. Okay, you owe$50 a month on this Venmo card. Again, you're over the limit of purchases. I swear to you. I swear to you. It's because I end up in these positions where I only have available money on one card. Yeah, but why would you spend it on the one card? Because then I have nothing to spend. You dumb little bearded guy. Listen, and I'm trying.
50:55I'm catching up. But guess what? I'm trying. I'm just trying to process what I'm trying to say before I say it, so I just throw out words. We've already documented that you spend minimum$500 on bullshit. And then we had all those transfers out of$1 ,777. What you are saying, that statement that you said multiple times is objectively incorrect. Plus, you're putting a little extra on everything, which is not an accurate debt payoff strategy, which means you still do have money. You do not have to spend on a car. Duh. But then how do I pay my electric and how do I pay? You, you absolute, you have the, what the are you talking about?
51:36How did what I just say not make sense? I'm going to lose my mind. I'm going to lose my mind. I'm going to make her break up with you right now. I'm going to lose my mind. Are you serious? Do you seriously not comprehend what I've said? You put a little extra towards these debts that is not benefiting you because a little, but it's not actually making progress in a substantial way. That money could pay your energy bills instead of putting more money on the cars Which actually just makes them go above the limit all the extra money you put towards them by the way are completely negated because you spend on them anyway So it doesn't really make any sense.
52:14There's really no purpose You're just offsetting it. So you're not even putting anything extra to the credit cards anyway But then it doesn't even matter because one thousand seven hundred seventy seven dollars went out We don't know where that went though with all their accounts that went and selling them went and then guess what? Five hundred dollars going out to eat another bullsh** so i don't know what you're talking about how can you keep saying that if mathematically it is proven right here take a look that that is incorrect oh that is gonna ruin my day do not say what you just said for like the fifth time this episode Because it is beyond objectively incorrect.
52:56So only pay the minimums on most. Oh, good. Can you turn her mic on real quick? Do you understand what, do you comprehend what I said?
53:08No. Oh, me. Oh my gosh. I'm done. Turn her mic off. Oh my gosh. Where am I going wrong with my communication other than being loud? How, how, how? My producers are typing to me to break it down. but like, what am I, what is wrong? What is wrong? What am I doing? Okay, can I have the whiteboard? Maybe I need to draw this. Okay.
53:44Here is the damn credit card balance that you have, okay? The balance. Here is your minimum monthly payment. A little line up here. A little line. Okay? Now, guess what? You make a little progress, a little extra progress. You add an extra line. But it doesn't matter because then you spend this much. So you've completely offset. You've completely offset. In fact, you actually spend more because your balances have only gone up. Only gone up. You're above the limit because then you add interest on top of that. Okay, wonderful. But not only that, guess what? Oh, you need to pay the little electricity bill over here that's this?
54:27Well, at the same time, you spend the same damn amount on going out to eat and other bullsh**. So no, this first little sliver right here, this first sliver is not what is preventing you from paying your damn bills. It is the more balance that you're putting on there. It is the more interest that is accruing on there because you are putting a higher balance on there. It is your bullsh** spending. It is, for example, just a light little example. It is in every best case possible. F*** you.
55:05Does that make more sense? Yeah. Does the drawing get us there? Yeah. It's not the electric bill, it's the bullsh**. kind of it's there was more than that but okay if you walk away with that that's a that's a start and you're the one who's understands finances at all like you're the one that self-proclaimed i'm great with this stuff i didn't say great oh come on but you know what you were thinking oh great we're getting mcdonald's and audible on here go to the library i gave a generous four yeah but you you you talked up to producers are you i know my numbers i'm all good of my money i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm i know you know i'm oh i know my budget i know everything that is happening everything is all good i'm this mathematically perfect person who knows everything about everything i don't know about the extra two thousand in spending that it really doesn't add up to me and now i'm itching i have to pee there is something in my nose and my bladder's like four hundred fifty three dollars in a checking account robin hood you're putting money in Robin Hood?
56:12And then I pulled it up. Yeah, later on when the finances got tough and I wasn't finding a job. Okay. I hope that's the only I hope that's not the only pull out you're doing because you guys can not afford a kid right now. Zell Zell Ash, capital, Ash, cash Apple. Oh my god. I'm losing it. Too many of these. Zell. Oh. Apple Cash? Well, no. So all of the Apple Cash things, Apple Cash is actually payments to the Apple Card. That's what those are because I first put it into Apple Cash because it processes. Well, in the spreadsheet, Apple Cash wasn't the big one. It was all the Zells. So it was all out$25, Chick-fil-A.
56:55Affirm. We're affirming. So there's more. So there's more. There's hidden more. We're affirming. What are you affirming? What possible world are you affirming? That was for my level three certification for armed security. I didn't have that's your full time job, right? Yeah. Yeah. And then I figure just bumping the credentials for better. What are you securing? Apartments. And it's I mean, the job is just observing reports. You just like spin in circles and hope those like go out and just like cut people. That's the goal.
57:28Chick-fil-A. No, I already did that. Apple Cash, Apple Cash, Zelle, Zelle, Apple Cash, Apple Cash, Taco Bell, Zelle, Cash App, Hobby Lobby. We got to be doing arts and crafts. and we can't afford bills. That was for a date. Went inside. How long have you guys been dating? A year. Okay, she'll be fine. QT, you went inside, you got a little drink or something. Taquitos. Isn't it so funny when our entire financial life is collapsing and where there's no chance of retirement and everything is f***ed? Isn't it humorous, guys? You got to cope somehow. Nope, you got to actually make progress and actually do something about it instead.
58:07$177 in savings. Wow. millionaire in no time i don't even have access to your robin hood do you have money in there anymore nope pulled it all out yeah uh once i i think i was struggling with those minimum payments so i pulled that out to pay all the minimum this is what you specifically have in your application i don't have too much random spending i don't go crazy on gas or food that's not i mean they're usually spread out but you don't have any money all your card balances are at max or above max a dollar honestly i'm going out to eat for you is would be crazy you don't understand how what a dollar for going out yes all your things are above the balances and you say you can't pay your damn utilities because of your minimum payments are you kidding me in what world can you go out to eat in that situation in what world and taking in front of your parents in what world do you get to be spoiled what entitlement do you have it's what keeps me keeps me working hard is is just those small doesn't no it doesn't because you know what you're right that's the first correct thing you said it is what keeps you working hard because you have no other choice but to work hard because it's keeping you in the position where your credit cards are only maxed out so you have to work hard you don't get to take it easy because of those choices so you are f***ing right you're correct now how much did you apply for on a personal loan did you get approved is this a thing that's already happening already are you already destroying yourself it's sitting in my account because how much 13 for so my plan i could i could have connected you with the people uh our partners in our resources section the relief app people i could have got you connected with them for like debt negotiations it's more extreme cases it's not for everyone but i could have got you connected with them but instead you're doing a personal loan yeah i've considered those debt negotiating some are bad some are good it's just like anything out there but again with you you take care of this with a personal loan and guess what without changing your behavior balances just go up that's what keeps me working hard if that's what you say after all of this then you're not going to make any progress if you pay off your debt with a personal loan that's what keeps me working hard As a full-time creator, I can tell you creating engaging videos takes a lot of time and effort.
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1:02:50Okay. That's option one or option to pay off the personal loan with that money now and just close it and call it done. But you cannot be trusted with that money in your account from the personal loan. And you cannot be a trusted with the infinite money cards on the cards. You've proven that because you have no availability available spending on any card more than a couple dollars. You've proven you can't be trusted with it. In any way. So those are the two options. Are you willing to commit to one of those two options? Are you willing to commit to any of those two options? Or is ink more important?
1:03:25Ink's not more important. Are you willing to commit to one of those two options? Yes, I could close some cards. The ones that you transfer over, no matter what. No matter the f*** what. Okay. Look, look at your, just look at your history. we can get you to be a credit card person we've had people on the show that have come on on the follow-ups channel and they've become credit card people it's great we can get you there you're not this would only create a more dangerous situation and more debt for you to pay off yeah okay yeah valid concern so what cards does that pay off so you're putting what towards it i wanted to start with the highest ones which are best so best buy is gone venmo venmo's fully okay so Best Buy and Venmo and then after that I was going to start hitting the Discover no no no what does the personal loan pay off?
1:04:14Fully those two and then the majority of Discover majority of Discover it brings it down to what? I think so I got paid on Friday and with that combined should be zero okay okay now you're it's$13 ,000? what is the minimum payment? $340 ,000 okay So as we do your budget, we will now use that. So that's the option we're doing. What hits your account on a monthly basis? A little over four. What's a little over four?
1:04:48With the way that they're switching up. Should be$4 ,300. Okay. $4 ,300. Your minimum fee payment debts. With everything readjusted now with a personal loan, Your new debt payments total will be$1 ,301.96. What's your rent? Your portion. Including utilities or no? Well, just rent first. Sure, include utilities. Sure. Total thing. I believe it's$1 ,300 now. Your portion? Yeah, so our place is... Oh, good downgrade. Yeah, she has suggested the same. Dude, you're on f***ing Round Rock. You do not need to be in a place this much. It's a nice place. Clara, what's your new rent? $1 ,600. Dude,$1 ,600.
1:05:39Her place is nice. Is that single bed or double? Double. Yeah. Yeah, that's... This is f***ing insane. When is your lease up? In January 18th. Downgrade. Downgrade. Downgrade. So$1 ,300 with utilities is your half? With utilities, yeah. Is that including internet? Yeah. Okay. Downgrade. My gosh. Okay. Your portion of the phone bill. $250. Oh, good. Please pay that off and switch to helium for 20 bucks a month. Please. That's$240. What is it? Is it? You're not even wearing an Apple watch. What is it? I didn't want to wear an Apple watch because I get distracted, but I have the Ultra. I have an iPad.
1:06:28I have an iPad Pro. i have the galaxy s20 ipad pro macbook pro and macbook studio are you kidding me it's pretty nice a tech is my weakness that number it is mine too but you know you don't use it you don't use the ipad well i use ipad all the time for everything really i'm entertained you don't use your macbook um the macbook i sell well no i use it when i'm on the go because my mac studio since it's a desktop use your ipad choose one sell the other issue is ipad os is kind of compared to my... Cool. Sell your iPad.
1:07:03Buddy, make sacrifices. It's financed. How do I... And then the financing requires the service on it, so I'd probably be upside down and then still be stuck paying the service. Financing requires the service on it. Call them. See what you can do. See if you can trade in and get rid of it. They might take a trade in. We need a lower... The$240 is insane. I mean, that's just insane. How much on Vroom Vroom Gas Gas? guess um maybe 150 car insurance uh 200 and that's including renter's insurance i pay them bundled tp fund hundred dollars you're allowed to contribute 300 to the grocery pub you guys live together and so yeah you do 300 that's what you can do follow the meal plan uh adjust it to your needs and the budgeting program any ongoing health care expenses this is co-pays this is Prescriptions?
1:07:49Currently, no. Okay. Gym? No, it's in the apartments. Yeah. Pets? Yeah. Yes. Pet food? Your portion? Let's say$760 a month, maybe. Okay. What are they? I have a Husky, and she has a great Pyrenees. Okay. I only care about yours when we're talking about your money. So a Husky. Cool. I'm doing$35 for pet insurance. Get it. It'll save you money. Some disagree with it, but it's literally saved me thousands of dollars. Anything else that needs to be in your budget? You kill it with rent, man. You destroy this whole thing. But go ahead. Anything else that needs to be in your budget? And she makes less than you at a restaurant?
1:08:42Yeah, usually. How are your finances? They're okay. Are they worse than his or better? They're worse. No. That's not honest. You want to come on the show next week? No. No. $3 ,782 is what's needed to survive on a monthly basis.
1:09:04You have an extra$518. Conveniently, how much was spent on bullsh -? Hey, like, net even. Oh, no, you spent more than that, remember? $2 ,000 more. But just bullsh - alone is what pushes you to the edge. But that extra$500 a month, boom, you start making, 401k loan is paid off immediately in the first month. Set the rest aside. You can't get a full one-month emergency fund. It will take us six months. Well, didn't you say the 401k should wait until after the cards? We're snowballing, so you stay motivated because this is going to be a long process. Obviously, work your best to increase your income through getting a job that you actually want, a sales job at a place that you want.
1:09:45You're already working 70 hours a week, right? So you need to get that 40 hours a week, 50 hours a week somewhere, and then get an extra job. So we need to boost this to about$5 ,000 because that, all of a sudden, if you have an extra$1 ,000 instead of$500 that you can throw your debt, this is going to accelerate it. Because let's see. If we're talking a six-month emergency fund with what your debt situation, minimum payments after that would be, six-month emergency fund, probably we're going to call it$17 ,000. Okay. Plus$1 ,031. Plus$1 ,803. Plus$244. Wait, your 401k loan, was that paid off in the personal loan?
1:10:20They're not paid off. No, in the personal loan? No, no, I didn't. It was the Freedom Best Buy. No, it was Best Buy. Sorry, never mind. I just crossed that out. I confused myself. Okay, plus$5 ,000 plus$5 ,390 for the Freedom. Oh my gosh, plus$7 ,306 for the Costco, plus the car at$15 ,676, plus the$13 ,400 personal loan. So that brings us to you need to get a total of$62 ,330. Now, that takes the progress you're able to make, not taking into account any interest, but also not taking into account the extra payments you put towards it once you pay off a debt. 120 months yeah that's 10 years like may as well go bankrupt at that point because it would be on your record for 10 years and it might be less stressful so um so what's the solution to that because this cuts you down to bare bones one you downgrade i need your portion of rent to be maxed out after utilities at 800 bucks starting at the beginning of the year boom that doubles the money you can throw towards the debt that turns it from 10 years to five years like is that not substantial that's crazy that's life-changing now what do we go from there bringing an extra 500 to 500 a month and extra income after taxes through getting that different job uh and then even working a second job on top of that and i think you'll do better than that i i do but let's just say you do that actually let's just say you add it by an extra thousand so now we have an extra two thousand to throw okay cool now it's down from 10 years to two and a half years to have a fully funded emergency fund in literally no debt.
1:12:11So that's, I think what we have to do. You need to go get that job, finally get a full-time job once more in the sales world, which I think you can, you know, add that certification plus experience, plus a good resume, plus good interview skills. Okay. Work on all that. Always easier said than done. Boom. Get that plus a part-time job on top of that. And maybe the security you can do part-time who knows. So boom, take that, try to bring in$5 ,300 a month. You do that plus downgrading your rent to your portion being no more than$800 a month in rent after utilities. You do that, you're out of debt and you have a fully funded emergency fund in two and a half years.
1:12:51In two and a half years, it's nothing. It goes by in a blink of an eye. So that's what I would do. That's what I would do. You could go the lazy and also stressful and also expensive route of bankruptcy. I wouldn't, but if you want to keep your life flat, that's what I would do. Or you can continue doing what you're doing and you'll be in debt with no retirement by 65. That's where you're headed with the way you're doing it, with balances only going up and borrowing against our 401k to pay off other debt. That's where you're going. So that's no longer an option if you're going to be a big boy, and I highly recommend it.
1:13:26Okay? Yeah, good plan. What do you think? I need your true honest thoughts on that that's a lot and this is going to take work this is not an easy thing you put yourself in a mess it takes a bit to dig up got to build the ladder my dude so what is it it's probably easier than struggling the way I have been so I could probably do that could do that will you do it do you think you will we have the follow up channel in a year from now am I going to see almost half of this debt paid off half of it in a year and a one month emergency fund and those cards closed that we talked about yeah I can do that okay I hope so we'll see you on the follow up channel then let's get your hammer financial score now and then we'll get you a hammer financial score in a year see the progress that you've made spending a budget you overspend so it's a 0 out of 10 automatically you don't have collections but your debt is really bad plus a 401k loan can't give you any better than a 1 out of 10.
1:14:27Again, you thought you were 4 out of 10. Okay. Emergency fund, the savings was nothing. 0 out of 10 was like 100 bucks. It was nothing. Retirement, you have a 401k loan, though it is about a fourth of your total equity position there, a third. Still not good. Hate that you're doing that. And for your age, oh, 25, can't give you any better than a 2 out of 10 for that. Real estate, not a part of the conversation yet. 0 out of 10, especially since you mentioned real at the beginning uh-uh so i mentioned real estate what yeah you're like i needed to get a house oh yeah hammer financial score rounded up barely you barely made the threshold we're rounded up one out of ten so make sure to check out all the resources linked in the description below we're gonna bring your girlfriend in on camera for the post show we're gonna talk about some extra drama some things going on bringing the producers who know everything about your life that I don't know.
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