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Financial Audit Description: Personal finance content that aims to educate and entertain listeners on financial matters.
Episode Overview In this episode, host Caleb Hammer engages in a financial audit with Hailey, a 27-year-old assistant manager from Florence, Alabama. The discussion reveals her complex financial situation intertwined with her personal life, including a toxic relationship with an older, married man.
Key Topics Discussed
- Hailey's Financial Situation
- Salary: $65,000 per year (assistant manager at a major retailer)
- Monthly income mishaps and miscalculations, leading to debt accumulation
- Hailey's financial transactions, along with spending habits primarily focused on skincare, vacations, and impulsive purchases.
- Personal Life Challenges
- Hailey reveals her rocky relationship with a 40-year-old man who has a pregnant girlfriend.
- Discussion of emotional dependency on this relationship and its impact on her finances.
- The psychological toll of infidelity and attachment in her personal life, with implications for her financial decisions.
Financial Mismanagement and Challenges
- Debt Accumulation
- Hailey discusses how she spends beyond her means, leading to credit card debt.
- Mention of a 401(k) loan for a house down payment, which has become a financial burden.
- The episode highlights the cycle of spending, debt, and the lack of financial literacy that Hailey faces.
- Inconsistent Budgeting
- The importance of establishing a budget is emphasized, but Hailey struggles to adhere to any financial plan.
- Caleb points out inconsistencies and faults in her budgeting practices, indicating a need for better financial education and discipline.
Financial Education Recommendations
- Caleb suggests utilizing various financial resources and education programs that are available, including budgeting classes and investment strategies.
- Emphasis on the need to change spending behavior, particularly around unnecessary purchases and lifestyle inflation.
Key Takeaways
- Emotional Health and Financial Health Link
- The episode discusses how emotional well-being directly affects financial decision-making.
- Caleb advocates for mental health assistance and therapy as a means to address underlying issues that contribute to poor financial habits.
- Actionable Steps for Improvement
- Hailey is encouraged to prioritize debt repayment, starting with the smallest balances first to gain momentum.
- Suggestions to reassess living arrangements, particularly regarding her mortgage, which is deemed unaffordable in its current state.
- The potential to sell her house and relocate to a more manageable rental situation is proposed as a viable option.
- Crisis Management
- The episode concludes with a focus on managing crises effectively, particularly regarding Hailey’s relationship and the financial repercussions of emotional choices.
Conclusion The conversation serves as a stark reminder of how intertwined personal relationships and financial decisions can be. Caleb’s guidance emphasizes the necessity of financial literacy, the importance of emotional health, and actionable steps toward financial stability. The episode ends with an invitation for further engagement through the show's educational resources, aiming to empower listeners to take control of their finances.
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Resources Mentioned
- Simpler Budgeting App: Designed to help users manage their budgets easily.
- Financial Classes: Bundled educational resources for debt management, investing, and budgeting strategies.
- Therapy Services: Encouragement for mental health assistance through partners like SonderMind.
Call to Action Listeners are encouraged to join the Financial Audit community, utilize available resources, and consider personal financial education for a more stable financial future.
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Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00To watch episodes of Financial Audit a week earlier, check us out on YouTube. A six-month pregnant girlfriend? You're saying he's with the mother of his child still. You are actively trying to sleep with him. What is he cheating on, though? Is it me or is it her? I'm financial out of it. What the f*** is happening there? The dude has a f***ing family. I know it sounds like I'm the trash. How old would it sound? How old is this man? He's 40 years old.
0:28download my new simpler budget app today and take control of your money once and for all hi i'm hailey i'm 27 years old from florence alabama and this is my name for it for orange alabama yeah you certainly are thanks for coming down to austin what do you do for a living in for orange and alabama okay i don't think it's that thick first of all but um i am a manager at a major retailer cool what kind of level of manager because you know that can what range widely right so like at this company it goes like district manager store manager and then me so there's like two levels between me and the store manager which one are you i'm the assistant manager oh right under the store manager okay how much you making so i make 65 a year i'm salary thousand not bad for i don't know florence specifically but alabama is not one of the more expensive states to live in.
1:23No, it's pretty good. Um, like the cost of living is really low and then like the housing is low. So, okay. So how is life in Florence with this job? How are we doing? So, I mean, I feel like I'm doing okay, but then like somehow I'm still in debt. So I don't know. What do you think is causing that? If we're doing okay. I think mainly it's like the bills. and then sometimes I do like spend a little bit of extra, you know, I have to go to like TJ Maxx and stuff like that. What do you mean have to go to TJ? What is have to go to TJ Maxx? It's like I have to. It's a necessity. What part of it is a necessity?
2:02Well, I go there and like I have to get all my skin care stuff from there. From TJ Maxx? Have you ever been to TJ Maxx? Do you not TJ? I don't know. I don't know if I've been to a TJ Maxx. You would ever need. Like, they have, like, all my eye serums that I need, which obviously, because I'm getting a little bit. My wrinkles are. What are you? You're 27. Yeah. Your retinol? Okay. Yes. I have to get the retinol oil. Yes, of course, of course, of course. Okay, that's your have to go to TJ Maxx? Okay. What are you spending on that on a monthly basis? That's why you're in debt is because of TJ Maxx for your skincare?
2:38Well, no, I mean, I wouldn't say, like, in debt, but I think that's, like, a necessity. And then there's, like, stuff that comes up, you know, throughout the weeks and months. And, like, I have to get. What hits your account on a monthly basis? I think it's$1 ,830. Monthly. $1 ,830. Monthly. Oh,$3 ,600. Do you know what monthly means? Just want to confirm we're on the same. Well, I think weekly. Maybe it's every paycheck. You're paid weekly? No, I'm not paid by weekly. what are you talking about what are you talking about weekly i think 3 700 came in for payroll okay okay yeah does that sound about right that actually sounds a little bit higher than but yeah that's it's salary so there's no there is no overtime or like extra or anything how many hours a week are you working so it's base 50 but then like if you have to work 50 yeah you have to work base okay and that's okay okay so what is it nine to like what does that look like Normally, my schedule is like a 7 to 5 or like a 10 to 8, 12 to 10, that kind of thing.
3:47Oh, so it's not consistent? No, it changes. How many assistant managers are there? There's six total. Okay. I don't want to. Okay. Come on. One, I'm offended. Two, that also wasn't the actual request. My gosh. Okay. I didn't know if you were asking or suggesting. Well, there's probably incest happening there, so I don't want to get a taste of that anyway. $3 ,700, so that's what happens on a monthly basis? Yeah. All right. Cool. So you're in debt because of TJ Maxx, apparently, because you have to go to TJ Maxx. So how much did you spend last month, if that's the paycheck that hits? And apparently a little high on your end.
4:28But okay, sure. So what did you spend? What did you spend last month? I'm going to say I don't think I went over my paycheck because I very rarely do. Okay. I think I've stayed pretty much underneath. So I'm going to say, like, I think for sure$3 ,000. $5 ,026. What the f*** are you talking about? There's no way. That is what was spent.
4:52Also known as some credit cards. Well, no, I'm pretty sure that expense came from, like, the vacation that I had to take. What, that doesn't count? Vacations, money that doesn't... No, what are you talking about? Do you think that does not count towards your spending? Because it's a vacation. Well, no, what I'm saying is, like, that's not a normal. I don't care if it's normal. That's what you did. That's not, like, a normal month, though. I don't care if it's normal. That's what you did. It's not a normal month, though. That's, like. But that doesn't. Do you realize that does not matter? That was just for the vacation that we were.
5:21That I was going to take. I get it. But do you not realize that that doesn't matter whether or not it's a normal month? It literally did happen. Yeah. But I was saving. I was actually saving up for this vacation. So, like, I was taking a little bit out of my paychecks. like every month. How much was the, what did you, where'd you go? I went to orange beach, which I've never been. Orange beach. What? Like orange beach, Alabama. So you stayed in Alabama. Yeah. Well, I was originally going to go to Florida and we were going to go to universal for makes a lot more sense. So cool. Like love it. What?
5:55But Halloween horror nights. Yeah. What were you and your friends? Me and my brother and his wife. We were going to go. You and your brother. Yeah. Okay. Future husband. Already. Actually. No, no, I'm just kidding. No, no, not really. But he was actually going to pay for, like, the tickets and everything for me. It was, like, you know, his treat, basically. Because he knew, like, I was having a hard time and we had already planned this out. But that's just the tickets. You would have still spent money going there. No, he was going to pay for everything. Everything. Then why would you need to save up money for the trip?
6:25He was paying for the rental car. He was going to pay for, like, the place we stayed at. Wonderful. And he was actually going to pay for my ticket. Why would you need to save up money then? Well, I was going to save up money for, like, food. There you go. So like I said, you have to spend while you're there. Yeah. So he wasn't covering that. It wasn't expense. I was saying not for it. Like I was skipping like a frat pie here and there and like a Red Bull here and there. I was skipping that. That saving is cutting back on like the bull kind of expenses. So it's not even like money that would have gone towards the debt anyway.
6:50It's money that would have gone towards spending for bull. Well, I do have a little bit of extra left over at the end of the month. Like I have like$200 left over. What are you talking about? You spent$5 ,000. You brought in$3 ,700. You don't know what you're talking about. There is not money left over Why would your debt be going up Why would you have debt if you have a little left over Well when I make Like my budget For the month Then why do you have debt Why do you have debt I don't know Why you make a budget so you should know I think like the debt accumulated Over time So I had like a little mid 20s Breakdown It is mid 20s Oh, your age, mid-20s.
7:36Yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay. You're 27, so two years ago? Well, I was like 24, 25, something like that. So I had like a little mental breakdown, right? What? There was just like a lot going on personally. What? Well, you know, I started like my salary job. And actually, I started. Sounds like a positive thing. I started working in salary, right? so promotion more money great different store doing good right so good um but i actually when i moved to the new store i found out that my boyfriend that i was with was actually with somebody else and we had been seeing each other for like close to two years he actually had a girlfriend she was like six months he had a girl a six month pregnant girlfriend yeah so i found this out and um i mean that was hard i mean that's what happens when you live in a place called Florence Alabama yeah not really I mean and it just so happened that like the store I transferred to she well her family lived there and like they would come in with a baby oh and it was so hard but I was like okay you know I was like I'm doing it still I'm good how'd you find out I actually found out because I was like on like a little project like a little salary project my first little thing as like a salary member of management in his hometown so like we live 45 minutes away I live in a town over here and he lives over here.
9:00We're like 45 minutes difference. So that's why it was like so easy, I think, for him to hide having a girlfriend. How'd you find out? And the baby. But so the way I found out is because I'm working at the store in his hometown and there's this guy there. And we're like talking about because this guy's a tattoo artist, right? And me and the guy are like talking about his tattoos. And he's like, I actually get my tattoos done by this guy or I used to. Okay. But then he stole my girlfriend from me. and I was like oh my gosh no I have never dated this guy like I thought I was his girlfriend but obviously not so that's how I found out that he had a girlfriend that was not me then what happened you broke up yeah I mean I yeah of course yeah no totally fair you know I found out he had a girlfriend I found out she was six months pregnant so yeah like that's crazy and so were you the side piece yeah that's for two years you were the side piece did you tell her I did and um it was like it was a whole thing are they still together they are but like so we actually continued to talk to each other oh no for how long no well that drawn out that drawn out process i mean that's gonna you in so many different ways we stopped talking for eight months because i was like i can't like this is i can't do this okay so we stopped talking for like eight months and then he texts me one day and he's like you know hey yeah basically like Hey, what up kind of thing.
10:27But we started talking again. What's talking? No, no, no, no, no, no. We just started talking. Even though he was with his lady that had a baby. Yeah. And you knew you were the side piece at that point and you were okay with that? Well, I mean, like two years is too long, Tom. You know, and like you become attached to somebody. And I was a little bit attached. He's not a kid, though. Well, I mean, obviously he's probably a serial cheater. What? Oh, definitely. Probably. Yeah, most likely. 100 % actually, I'm sure. How long did you guys keep talking? Last time I spoke to him was in June. This isn't that long ago.
11:05Wait, for how long were you talking? We have been doing this back and forth. You're never going to move on. We've been doing this for six years. You're never going to move on. It's been six years. Six f***ing years? You're never going to move on. How old is this kid now? She is five years old now. What the f***? Okay, let me ask this question. Sorry. This is a little more like TMZ tea sip for a second. But listen, I enjoy myself a little steaming glass here and there. So I got to ask this, but then we're going to jump into the money. But you guys in that time? Such an inappropriate question. I don't know if I can answer that.
11:45Oh, my goodness. Yes. It's a loaded question. Yes. Really? Really? How, when's like the last time? No, it hasn't, like I haven't actually, we haven't actually like been together, been together. Come on, when was the last time you guys? Like December, we were actually together. But you're saying he's with the mother of his child still. And you're a lot, you are trying, actively trying to sleep with him during those times. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But you did, you did over the past few years. It was always like, he would call me and he'd be like, we're not together anymore.
12:22he would tell me they weren't together. How many times is he telling you that? The last time he told me they weren't together. And after he cheated on you the first time or cheated on her with you the first time. Who is he cheating on though? Is it May or is it her? Her, I think. I don't know. I don't know.
12:41That's a little like. He told me they weren't together. Yeah, but how many times can you believe that over and over again, especially for someone that cheated on you? He cheated on you and you're okay? I texted her. I texted her and I was like, hey, just so you know, this is what he's told me. He told me y 'all are not together anymore. You've moved out. Like, I just want to make sure we're all on the same page this time. So is it okay if he sticks it in? Because we've done this over and over. So, like, I just want to clear everything up. This dude better be f***ing hot. Well, I mean, I think he's handsome.
13:08He's like, it's like a Joe Dirt. This is usually like a post-show conversation. We, we, we, we, we. But, like, you know, you got to love it. Like, you think my accent's sick? Okay, show me a picture. You want to see a picture of him? We'll get into the finances in a second. Sorry, guys. Okay. You have to be honest and tell me. Of course. If it's just like. It's like if I do anything, it's always forward honestly. Do I just have rose-colored glasses on? Huh? Do I have like rose-colored glasses on? Maybe. I don't know. You're probably. Or is he handsome? There's like five people that live in Florence, right?
13:38I only have one picture of him. How old is this man? He is. He's 40 years old. He turned 40 in November.
13:52but you know when you love somebody and you just love them so much and you just can't like that's how much i loved him this dude is a great man wait did you look at the picture good though yeah i looked at it pretty well well i don't have another picture of him but nor do i want to see another bluest little eyes um i mean i liked him no conventionally attractive to a certain point sure uh he maybe that wasn't that was he's been since you were 21 and he was when i was 21 and he was 30 34 four yeah yeah twitter's not gonna like that one all right it's 2025 the new year new me right if one of your goals is to finally start investing but you're thinking uh i don't have the budget for that let me stop you right there today's sponsor moomoo makes investing fit into your budget no matter what it looks like with tools like fractional shares you can start investing with as little as five bucks that's less than those taquitos you tend to overspend on don't lie to me plus moomoo charges zero commissions on stocks etfs and equity options that means more of your money goes into your investments and less into fees because you deserve more potential for compound growth.
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15:512025 is the year to factor investing into your budget. So do it with Moomoo. Take advantage of those sign-up bonuses and check out Moomoo today. Well, I don't think that's like that big of an age gap, honestly. That's a pretty big gap. Whether or not it's inappropriate or something to the individual, it's a pretty big gap regardless. Well, we are in Tennessee, though, right? Huh? We're in Tennessee. Huh? We're in Tennessee. So it doesn't really matter, I don't think, does it? What the fuck does that mean? Well, I think, like, the age of consent there is, like, 16, which hours away. You're in Alabama.
16:21Well, I am now, but originally Tennessee.
16:27Maybe you didn't see a good picture. Hold on. because like if you could say what the f*** is happening right now I don't know that's insane you are literally the dude has a f***ing family and let you sit you okay let's not talk about it like that though let's not talk about it like that though you told me with your own words that he is with her yes I know it sounds bad and it sounds like how old would it sound I know it sounds like I'm the trashy one right yes no you all sound trashy in this story. Okay. I know it sounds like I'm the bad one in this. Yes, and him. Not at all. Not at all. You pursue him.
17:06You continue the conversations. You allow them to happen. You let him fuck you in December while they've been together. No, but he told me they were not together. Why would you trust the man that cheated on you before? You wanted to believe it. Exactly. You wanted to believe it. Yeah. I gotta get into the numbers. That is certainly piping hot, but it's honestly quite kind of disgusting. How old is this lady? I don't know actually Do you know her? I've met her How old does she look? I think she's 30 She's older than me I think she's 30 years old But I'm not sure I don't know Do you want to tell me If I'm prettier than her?
17:45This pork You want to do a little We'll do like a hot or not Do you want to say? Dude you're fucking insane I'll do it Okay You have to be honest too I never am not If I'm ugly then I'm ugly Just tell me the truth. Is that him? That's him and her. But, like, that's a very edited. You're literally dating, like, a dude that looks like. I feel like that's an edited photo. Tell me. Is it edited? So edited, right? I would, I would, I would. You would agree with that. I would pick you if I had to pick. Oh, thank you. Well, this is because she looks beyond caked. Like, what is she hiding? Right? Like, so much makeup.
18:18Like, I have makeup on, obviously. But, like. Yes. Honestly, the TJ Maxx is, I feel like, doing me good, right? With all the retinol and the eye serums. You look normal. Oh. What are we doing? What are we talking? You spent$5 ,000. $3 ,700 comes in. You're f***ing married men who are 15 years older than you. He's not married. He's not married. He has a kid with her. That poor kid. That poor kid. That poor kid. Dude is not married. That poor kid. What is everyone at the store going to think when they hear this? You're choosing to say this on a public platform. Oh, goodness. I didn't think about that.
18:55How'd you not? As in, we literally have videos saying, everyone around you will see you in these videos. Please consider before you come on, like a million, jillion times. I didn't think about that. Why? How? We literally, are you dumb? It sounds really bad, but it's not like what it sounds like. How is it not? Man with baby sticks penal in you. The non-person he's with. Very, very explicit. it it wasn't like that at all but that is what happened not really not 100 how do i get this how do i take this to finances i don't know how we got here honestly what are you here for lady well i think like i just need help figuring out where my money goes because to me it doesn't seem like i have enough to get anywhere with like my minimum monthly payments and stuff like that and I don't know where I'm like missing the mark here.
19:53So I'm thinking about just to like get my finances back on track. I currently have like a loan out on my 401k. Oh. For why? When did you do that? I did it when I purchased my house. You own your house? I do. Wait, I don't see a mortgage in here. Yeah, there should be a mortgage. Yeah. So I bought a house back in 2022. to 401k loan to buy a house well no it wasn't always like it wasn't just to buy the house it was for like a little bit of the down payment a down payment so you borrow your down payments from your own retirement i don't think you understand how that worked well i feel like it's just paying i thought it would be better than getting like an actual loan it's i'm paying my actual loan like yeah but with interest a personal loan yeah but with interest but the Interest goes back to you, right?
20:45What do you mean? You think you're earning money on it? No, I don't think I'm earning money. I think that it's just like...
20:53It like gets... They take... What is the school system like in Alabama? What do you mean? What do you think is actually happening? Please. Please. Please. So I don't... Like, I'm paying myself back, basically. But it's not like accruing any kind of... Interest? Yeah. Yes, it is. But that interest goes back to me, right? What the fuck do you mean by that? How do you think you make money? In what world does a loan make money for you? What are you talking about? No, I'm not saying that it makes money for me. What I'm saying is like - How do you say it goes back to you? I'm so confused. So like you take out the 401k loan, right?
21:31And it stops accruing any like extra money from that. But you got me confused, okay? You have me confused. You got me confused. Listen, okay, so. I just want you to tell me what you think is happening. It's not, like, it's not, it's not like an actual loan, right? Why wouldn't it be? What do you mean? I'm paying myself back, basically, right? Yeah. Paying myself back. 100%. Paying myself back. I don't know how it works. Paying yourself back, but what do you mean by that? Like, yes, all of a sudden you have the money is kind of like if you want to think about it as yours again, you can kind of think about it like that.
22:13But the interest on it, it's not that's them making money off of the loan, not you. I don't know the way that I understood it was like, what are you talking about? What were you talking about? So I'm thinking about taking another one out. Why? How much and for get in another house? No, no, no. Wait, do you still owe on that other 401k loan? I do. I owe$8 ,000. Will they allow you to take a second one on? No. Then what the f*** are you even talking about? So you have to pay off the current one to take out another. What do you owe on the other one? I owe$8 ,000 right now. You don't have$8 ,000. Well, I get like a small bonus at the end of the year.
22:53And it varies based on like store sales, right? So you're going to use a small bonus to pay off a loan so that you can borrow a larger loan? Yeah. for what to pay off so like i have my i have three no i have two credit cards that need to be paid off right and then i have my car payment so this is my idea and i think it's like i thought this through and i think it's like a really good idea this is what i really like i would i would love for you to say it it's coming hold on so like what i'm gonna do 40 year old says every day excuse you okay i'm kind of offended for him but anyways you're being mean to him he's the one who has a child and he's somebody's that yeah he's just anyways anyways can i call him in the post show dude's not my answer no he 100 has my number blocked what no really why would he not why would he have your number blocked because you guys are you said you're talking in June.
23:57Yeah, that's been like six months ago. A few months before that. First of all, I never said that. I didn't use those words at all. Oh, you sexed him. I didn't say that either, but anyways. But that's what you said, though. No, not really. Look, you got me all discombobled. I forgot what I was even saying. Compobled? The discombobled, yes. Anyways. How do you run a store? How do you run employees? Jeez, do they have to depend on you for anything? Yeah, no, I'm good at my job. You have me squeezing on this thing because this is insane. This conversation is insane. Yeah, that's a you problem. It is, but it's also a you problem.
24:34I'm not over here. If we're trying to get some result in the end, it's also a you problem because I can't follow what you're talking about. You haven't even told me what you want to borrow this for. Yes, that's where we were. Okay, so what my plan is is to pay off the 401k loan so I can take out. If you get that bonus as large as enough for it. So I can take out another loan and pay off all my credit cards, which is two credit cards, pay off my car loan, and pay off... Car loan? I think that's it. So I can pay off those three things, right? And then I can take my insurance, which is right now like almost$400.
25:10I can take that down to like a minimum. Awfully feisty over there. but usually if you have good credit even the interest rate on a 401k loan is 1-2 % over like the federal loan rate it would probably be 8-9 % if you have good credit what's your credit score? what the f*** are you going to do? you're going to get like a what? a 15 % f***ing loan on your 401k? wait wait wait wait the one that you currently have obviously the most likely and what typically happens is the money that's hidden in your account is opposed to you making a payment on it because it probably takes before you see your money.
25:50Yeah, it takes out. What is the interest rate on your current 401k loan? And you said it's 9 ,000? You said it's 9 ,000 401k. Okay. Go ahead. Okay, so I'm going to pay off all of my loans and then I'm going to take my - No, I said what's the interest rate on it? I think it's 11%. what are you doing for why? But I'm not 100 % sure. That actually doesn't sound right. And it was for a part of a down payment? That doesn't sound right. Maybe it's 8%. I don't remember. Listen, even 8%, you're keeping up with just the average stock market return from beginning to end of forever. Yeah. That's the average for a down payment?
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26:31That's stupid. You could have got like a day pound. But, but, but, but, but, but, listen, listen. No, no, no. I've got$50 ,000 in my 401k. I am 27 years old. I was the person talking. I'm going to talk. I feel like I'm doing pretty good. I was the person talking. I'm just saying. I feel like 50 ,000 for 27 years old, right? You're relatively on track to. Am I on track or am I? Shut the f*** up. I'm going to finish your thought. Shut the f*** up. You're going to be close to that 65 ,000 that we'd want you to be at 30. That part is good. however you don't own any of it you're gonna borrow half of it and you're gonna be paying interest all the return that you're gonna be getting is gonna be eaten up with that because again if i if i open my brokerage right now muumuu and i open my muumuu app great and i buy some s &p 500 that's averaging like a 10 10 and if you're at 11 11 or the 8 of the average stock market gain up down all years combined you're not beating it you're losing what you are supposed to be doing which is taking advantage of time in the marketplace right now time that is your best wealth building tool is time in the market i feel like i'm ahead of like where people for my age normally are so in certain ways but again that whole you're gonna borrow against half of it there's 50 ,000 in here
28:10but 8 ,000 is the outstanding loan so again it's just like you're really at 42 you have 42 ,000 vested so like and then it's gonna you're gonna have like 25 ,000 vested once you're done with your little plan here what's the payment that comes out of your pay for this 401k loan on a monthly basis It's like a hundred and something dollars And what do you invest in it? That's going to take forever Wait But at 11 % That's going to take forever to pay off Well we need to But these 401ks Because like 11 seems like a lot Maybe it's 6 No you can't go from 11 to 8 to 6 You don't fucking know And also if your credit score is at 5 No it's not 500?
28:47My credit score? In the fives! It's absolutely not But when I bought my house It was in the 700s Like high 700s Almost 800 That still takes forever to pay off And even still, regardless, it's 530. Your score is 530. So if you pay off this 401k, how? What did you do to f*** up your life so bad? Wait, why did you go from being in a position where you were ahead of the game to starting to destroy things? How? How did this happen? Like we were talking about. And we got super sidetracked, right? But I ended up leaving my job, right? And I was only gone for eight months. but what do you mean only eight months you do not understand a single thing in this world only eight months that is significant what did you do so during that eight months wait did you get fired or did you leave no i left what was it so it was nothing to do with like the job what was the job oh it was what i'd currently do it was what did you do for eight months why'd you leave okay so you know i have my little my little break down oh yes because the dude who was a million years older than you who had a kid who was sticking it in constantly and you couldn't leave you couldn't leave him you couldn't get away from him because you just keep going back like an addict go on and add it get it love him to death still do but anyways that's are you ever gonna live a life you're ever gonna find someone no you're not at that point if you're just addicted into this dude who's a million years older than you who has a baby and a lady he is with the one that created the child with him you're never gonna have a life that's so sad to see i don't want you to do that major channel announcement budgety budgety budgety it's a new year we're all trying to budget we're all trying to make it a little better trying to improve our life a lot of people on the show a lot of people out there that i've heard from they try to start a budget they can't stick to the budget.
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32:42Me, myself, and I, we talk, and we're good, like, 100%. No. You cannot therapy yourself at all. You're obviously beyond f***ed up, and you keep going back to this guy. I just want you to be able to live a life. I want you to be able to live a life. It would be so sad seeing you hung up on this dude all the way through your 30s and 40s. No, no, no, no. Like, we are done. Like, we're not doing it anymore. For now, you've gone back and forth for six years. It is a long time. I think we're going to call him on my number in the post show, and I'm going to tell him to get the f*** away. No, no, no, no.
33:12If we call him, you have to be quiet. We'll just talk. Me and him. We'll do that in the post show then. We'll do that in the post show then. He's definitely going to answer the phone for me. Oh my gosh, this conversation is a mess. Anyways, you keep getting me sidetracked. Let me tell my story. This is a good story. I quit my job. This isn't story time. I didn't quit my job. I left my job for a minute. My brother was getting married. I went on the bachelorette trip in Florida. And I was a bridesmaid. For nine months? No. And I was a bridesmaid, so, like, I had to pay for, and this all goes into, like, the credit cards, right?
33:54So I paid for the hair and makeup and the dress, and some of that, not all of it, but some of it went to the credit cards. And then I went on the trip to Florida, the bachelorette trip. Some of that went on to the credit cards. And then directly. You buy 40-year-old male strippers? Directly after the wedding, I went to Disney World with my nieces. And then after that, I took a little road trip. How much was Disney? I was road tripping. But why not work during all this? You can't work and do all that traveling. Wait, how much traveling were you doing? Was this back to back to back or was there any gaps in between?
34:34Because if you took a couple days off at a job to travel somewhere. No, no, no. At most it was like a week in between these things. so like why why do all this though well why throw away everything in all seriousness wait and you already owned a home no i didn't own the home yet i didn't own the home oh my gosh so like in all seriousness i was having like a really hard time yeah meaning hey maybe you should actually talk to a professional and um you know it just seemed like everybody else in my family was like kind of like moving and like their worlds were turning and mine wasn't like i wasn't doing anything i felt like i was just working constantly constantly constantly and like i don't know no offense won't it feel like that if you're endlessly hung up on this dude won't it feel like that forever yeah and i think you'll have these spells constantly part of the issue was like it was just everything that was going on in my life right so anyways i ended up leaving my job i did the disney thing and then i went on a little road trip i was planning on going like from tennessee all the way around all the way around all the way around the The thing.
35:37The thing. Yeah. But anyways, I got to South Dakota. Okay. And then I ended up turning around. It's the classic road trip destination. Have you ever been? It's pretty. Nope. Okay. So that was nine months. I went to South Dakota and then I came back home. That was all nine months? Well, it was, no, it was eight months during this whole thing. You could have worked in there. Yeah, that was not enough for eight months. Well, I wanted to take, the plan was to take like a six-month hiatus and just kind of like reset my mom. And you got your job back like that? It was to reset my mom. My mom, yes. You got your job back like that?
36:22That hurts my family. You got your job back immediately. That hurt my family. I don't give a fuck. Well, I mean, yeah, because like I'm a good employee, right? Like I feel like I do a really good job at my job. Yeah, you leave without warning for nine months. you know I think I feel like I'm good at my job and obviously I am or they wouldn't have wanted me to come back right so I actually got a phone call from one of the people that I had worked with previously I'm just starting to think the talent pool in that town with five people might be small with five people come on now I don't think so I think it was me you know because I'm just me right you had to be there anyways so I actually got a phone call and it was like hey do you want your job back and i was like yeah because i'm kind of like i wasn't two thousand people i wasn't running what is that the for instance yes um yeah it's a small town what do you think you are financially right now this has been a mess of an audit usually i ask this more early on but it's whatever i feel like you got sad where do you think you are zero to tens you're being the absolute worst 10 being the absolute best in your finances today where do you think you are i think i'm a two okay yeah okay if you want your hammer financial score it's free link in the description below figure out where your finances stand and if you want to be on this show you want to come down here austin texas get a little uh but it's also fun it's a good time we'll have fun you having fun so far so much fun okay all of it yeah go to caleb hammer.com slash apply uh we'll have you here it'll be a good time and i look forward to that and we'll connect you with resources like we're gonna connect you with please do the therapy you need it more than almost anyone I've talked to recently.
38:04Oh my God. I'm not even kidding. That's not a joke. It's not an insult. Do you really think so? Yes. I encourage therapy. I do therapy. Therapy's good. Regardless of where you're at, you could be perfect and therapy would still be good. I don't really, like, I don't do that whole thing. You know, like the mental health. I mean, I support it. You gotta be in close. Why not do the whole thing? I don't do that whole thing. Why not do the whole thing? Like, I'm fine. You're not fine. You're not, objectively.
38:34how do you think that though you're here well no i mean financially i do need like i got a little bit sidetracked and my finances got off but previously i was doing really well for myself i feel like especially for my how'd you meet him by the way um we met at a tattoo shop he was the tattoo where you find the best man He was the tattoo artist. But, you know, we really, and you're going to love this part. Not a doubt. I felt like when we first met, because, like, I don't drink and I don't smoke and I don't do any of that kind of stuff. You're just a degenerate in every other way. Kind of like me.
39:10It's fair. Go ahead. But I don't do any of that kind of stuff, and neither did he, you know, and, like, we were kind of talking about how, like, neither one of us drank or smoked or anything like that. Just 20 ,000 of the 42 ,000 that live there are all his children. We kind of, you know. It's hard to find people like that. It really is. You might need to go out and explore a little bit in life. Well, no, that's true, too. Whatever, whatever. Stop it. What is this first thing that I'm even looking at? Because here's the thing. Here's the f***ing thing. You ready? Here it is. Okay. You owed$8 ,224.
39:45Now you owe$8 ,411. What is this? Is this a credit card? Bread cash back. What the f*** is that? They're giving you cash back on the bread. I don't know. I don't see any cash back happening. You know what I see? I see$41 of fees because you're late. Because you're late. Because you're not paying it. You make good money, especially for that area. Especially for that f***ing area. But I haven't spent on that thing since, like, November of last year. How does that matter? You make over, you make triple the median income in your city. Triple. Triple the median income, yet you are late on a credit card.
40:25you're not paying on it yeah good first step why not make any payments why be late i don't understand why have such a credit score your choice why do that why live in this situation when i first bought my house and i first like moved in and everything um i did not have enough money to cover all of my bills and my house then you couldn't have afforded a house well when i did the um like when i calculated my payment up and everything like i was 200 short based on how much i was making but i had a plan how'd you get approved they'll approve a lot of people for a lot of bad loans but if you're 200 short based on your own projections how the my credit score was really good and my that's not that is not everything you said with your income you're 200 short well i was estimating everything like i was estimating the water and the electric and if you see your 200 short why would you get it why would you possibly get it i needed a house and no you didn't you could have rented no you did not i didn't want to rent and then i have my what i have but you could have i have my little puppy dog so yeah i've had my puppy dog in apartments it was really hard to find somewhere that was like would let you bring pets and i found one that's not true at all a new year means new goals right but life doesn't always go as planned one day you're crushing it and the next a curveball you did not see coming that's why making a resolution to protect the people who depend on you isn't just smart, it's necessary.
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43:31Apply today at meetfabric.com slash Caleb or click the link in the description below. That's meetfabric.com slash Caleb. M-E-E-T fabric.com slash Caleb. I found one place and the rent was$1 ,600 a month. And I was like. What's your mortgage? It's$1 ,400. $1 ,400. That's not. You could have looked. You totally could have looked more. I know people are not willing to look enough on this show. That is just an endless common thread when it comes to loan shopping. I did have like a time limit because I was actually moving to. What? I was moving out of Tennessee. What time limit? I was moving out of Tennessee.
44:04Yes, what was the time limit? Alabama. It was like, I had a month. That's reasonable. Would I prefer two? Of course, but I've done it in a month. We've all done it in a month. I've done, when I moved to Austin, I did it in a week. With the puppy? With a cat. I feel like that's different. It's worse. That piss stains and they rip up carpet. Trust me, as a landlord, I would rather someone have a dog than a cat. Yeah, I guess that's true because they do tear stuff up. Yeah. Unless they're litter box trained, then it's a little bit different. But I couldn't find anywhere that was, like, a reasonable price where you could bring a pet.
44:38So, and then I also. No, you did not look. I know for a fact you did not look. I was like, let me invest. To that town. I wanted to invest in something. Yes, I agree. But it's not an investment if you can't make your payments. Instead of, like, just throwing money away at rent. It's not an investment if you can't make the payments. But I had a plan. You didn't listen to my plan. What was your f***ing amazing plan? Okay, so. Was it as good as winning that guy over? Because that's worked so well. The plan was, so like that town is kind of like a college town. So I was going to DoorDash for like the extra money.
45:10That was the plan. And I did DoorDash for a couple of months. But then I actually got a raise at work. So it was that extra. What are you making and what do you make now? Oh, my gosh. That time is in the middle of nowhere. It is really in the middle of nowhere. My biweekly was 14. And then when I got my raise, it turned into like an 18. Or 16. Maybe it was 16 and then it turned into 18. But now you're saying because the mortgage is hard or whatever? Plus, like, the door dashing was really not the greatest investment because the gas was, it was, like, almost$3 a gallon, which I know other places is a little bit more expensive.
45:48But for me, that was expensive, and I wasn't really making that much money. Why are you making these payments now?
45:56I think I'm still short. Money. If you look at that money. that. Shopping is hard, right? But I found a better way. Stitch Fix online personal styling makes it easy. I just give my stylist my size, style, and budget preferences. I order boxes when I want and how I want. No subscription required. And he sends just for me pieces, plus outfit recommendations and styling tips. I keep what works and send back the rest. It's so easy. Make style easy. Get started today at stitchfix.com slash Spotify. That's stitchfix.com slash Spotify. That's what happens when you spend$1 ,500 more than you make. The minimum monthly payment for that is$600.
46:33Now, because you're behind payments, you f***. That's what happens. You f***. That's what happens. What do you think happens when you are behind on payments? It was probably like a$50 minimum monthly payment. No, it was always like pretty expensive. That card. You don't know. You haven't made a payment. Dude, you have. To start with, it was like$400. And now it's like$600 a month. And it's just too much money for me to pay. Listen. It's just too much money. You've had five missed payments, so there's no way it's that much. So this is actually likely with that$41 fee. Yeah. 41 times five. So 205.
47:18Minimum monthly payment was likely two. No. Okay. And then divide up five. Your minimum monthly payment was about 48 bucks. No. Yes. No way. Yes. It was never$48. Like, if it had been$48, I would have - There's no way this math makes sense then. With those fees added, which would be - No, that would be added to the overall balance. Okay, one second. Let me think. Let me think. Let me think. There was no way. Shut, shut, shut, shut, shut. I would have paid$48. Shut, shut, shut, shut, shut. I would have paid$48. There's no way - It was likely$89. Because it is stacked up for five months! It was not.
47:52No. It was not. I'm going to say$100. I'm going to say$100. I'm going to say$100. but I also don't think you know a single thing. I think 100 is a little, like you're a little bit low on that, but 100 is more, it's like closer to it. How can I trust you in any way to be a reliable narrator for your finances? You are not able to adequately speak on anything we've talked about so far. Listen,$205 ,000 of fees this year, $1 ,777 of interest this year so far. That's disgusting. Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot. disgusting not good not good at all not good at all that's fucking insane but like honestly and you don't give a why not make the payment I still don't understand cause you say you have too much cause you say you don't have enough I had to pay my mortgage you spent a thousand five hundred dollars more than you made this last month I was like at one point what your mortgage is twelve hundred at one point it was so much your mortgage is twelve hundred no my mortgage is fourteen your mortgage is fourteen hundred congratulations you might as well say five shut that's not how that what am I as well How have you Your mortgage is 37 % of your income It's$15.98 So wouldn't you round that up to$15 Or it's$14.98 so wouldn't you round that up to$15 $14.98 Like we're literally a couple $3 ,708 It's 40 % of your income 40 % of your income That means you have 60 % left Is that a little on the high side?
49:20Absolutely But that means You have money left And, of course, you also said you get these bonuses. So, regardless. No, no, no, not bonuses. Not plural. The one. Okay, you get the bonus. If you're suggesting you can pay off an$8 ,000 loan with a bonus, then that is a substantial bonus, lady. So, that means, likely, for your entire annual income, your mortgage is probably closer to about 37 % of your income. Okay? Meaning you have a substantial part of your income left. That is not why you did not pay a$100 minimum monthly payment. Or even stacked up, that is not why you are not paying a$650 payment now.
50:02I was there for the whole thing. I felt every second of it. You're not anywhere. You don't live in reality. You're nowhere. You are not on the same plane that we all are. There was a point in time last year when I could not. Dude, we're 46 minutes into this thing and I'm going to the second document. I couldn't even buy gas. It was that bad. Like I was struggling. It can't be because of your mortgage though, because we know your mortgage at its worst is 40 % of your income. So other expenses are being done somewhere. My electric bill was like$300 during the summer, which I mean, I'm sure it does not make it up for, we'll do the budget at the end.
50:36We'll do the budget at the end. It gets hot during the summer and I'm not used to having to like, so I have a three bedroom. To dead like three. What? You're not used to what? I'm not used to like having to like heat and cool. What was the word you said? Why can I not understand you? What is the word that you said? I'm not used to having dead like. I didn't say that. What are you talking about? And I'm not used to having dead like. Am I having a stroke? Am I having a stroke or are you inaudible with your accent? I think the problem is. Do I need to find like a homeless hillbilly to translate for you?
51:17Not the homeless hillbilly. No, not the homeless hillbilly. I think the issue is that you're not from the South, man. South, but I live in here. Yeah, but the Texan accent is definitely different than. I don't care. This is not a conversation. You have a car? I do have a car. What's your car? So I have a Jeep Renegade. Year. 2015. Miles. 136, I think. So you should prepare for the worst. jeeps aren't historically known for being the most forever reliable not for being the worst either but okay how's she doing she's not doing great like that's what i would expect this weird thing when you go to like take off it's like boom boom take off you mean accelerate like when you drive well like when you push the gas it goes boom boom oh we're so sorry to hear about your brother that passed away he gets five big booms boom boom what's boom boom boom boom no not the boom boom no what does it do not boom boom it goes like it's more like the let me okay so when you that sounds potentially transmission related yeah or but i also have no idea what the you're talking about i cannot translate dude i can barely listen i can barely understand the words you're saying when you start talking in sound effects i do not know what you're saying so i feel like It might be a filter issue because I think the - Filter?
52:42Filter what? The air filter? Maybe. But I had that change, so no, I don't think so. What? Like, it's not getting gas or something. How'd you find your way to Austin? How did you get here without getting lost? Listen to me. I struggled to get onto the airplane. I am not surprised, dude. I got to the airport and it was like a maze in there. And I looked at the map, too. $9 ,070. Yeah. Ode on a breaking down car. A car with a transmission failure likely. Like when I bought that car, they told me that it had one previous owner. And funny story. I went to the Publix, right? And I parked beside this really cool Jeep Wrangler.
53:19That is funny. And anyway, the guy comes out. As I'm getting out of my car, the guy that drives this Jeep Wrangler gets, like, is coming out of the store. And we, like, meet each other. And he's like, oh, my God, that's my car. And I was like, oh, yeah, like, it sucks. I didn't say that to him because I felt like it would have been rude. And it maybe would have offended him. But, like, seriously, the car is not the best. But anyway, it was a one-owner vehicle. He was like the owner. That was your story? Well, he was telling me about it. He's like, that was like right off the lot. I bought it off the lot.
53:45Like, great car. And I was like. I doubt you're maintaining it because you probably don't even know where the oil goes. Dude. But like that's not for me today, though. That's for somebody else. Yeah, if you actually take it. Yeah. Right. And I do. I try to maintain it. The f***ing lights start blinking in there. and you're like, oh, it's Christmas time. I don't talk like that. That hurt my feelings again. What is the interest rate on this car possibly? Now that, I think that's 11. Wait, I think I did this wrong. That's 11, I think. Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. I think that was the 11. The other one was 6.
54:25This is 11, I think. Yeah, I said 11%. 11 % on a car that is breaking down. What are you going to do? Insurance isn't going to cover a broken tax. Well, we don't know that it's breaking down. We just, it's got the, something. Yeah, that sounds like when I had a Nissan Altima and the transmission started to go, which is a brutally expensive fix. Well, I mean, you know, foreign in that part, but makes it more expensive. Either way, that's what it at least sounds like. Hope not. But that's what makes me nervous. But. What is your minimum? But listen, listen, listen. But my other plan was like, okay, when I take this other 401k loan out and I get a little bit of extra because I can pay off all of my stuff, then I can pay off that and I can get another vehicle that's, like, better and not breaking down with, like, the extra from the 401k loan.
55:16What's the minimum f***ing payment? For the car? Listen, if you get a 401k loan, it's going to be, like, 13 % for you. It's not going to make the difference. And I feel like I need a little bit more education on the 401k loan because I— The transmission for you with that car is going to be about$3 ,000 to$4 ,500, and then obviously there's going to be labor. So it's probably going to be like a$5 ,000 job. Yeah, that's a lot. That's not worth it, honestly. But you don't have the money, and you're just going to borrow against your 401k forever. What's the point of having built it up in the first place?
55:47In your case, especially if you borrowed it well beyond what it's going to make on average, your minimum fee payment,$270,$297? Yeah, kind of expensive. We think it might be worth around$7 ,000 if in good condition. we don't know if it is and they might catch on to that transmission thing if they run a transmission test anyway okay so$2.97 are you at least making your payments? yeah no I make my car payments why make that payment but not the last? so why not the other one? well I got behind on the bread cash back card no I'm asking why I got behind on it because I honestly was not making enough money to like pay all of my bills like I was having a really really hard time You make triple the median income there.
56:32Yeah, but I have the house by myself, and then I have the water, the electric, car payment, insurance. Gas was really expensive for a minute there, and that was tough. You're not budgeting. You are not budgeting. That was tough. Go through our budgeting class, for f***s sake, please, if you are even able to figure out how to log in. Go through the investing class. class go through because that that's important eventually i don't know what funds your 401k thing is in it actually i'm very curious let's talk about that at the end and also go through the debt class so you can at least understand how to utilize that in a beneficial way and how to pay off bad debt with different strategies do that it's all discounted for you guys all bundled together for 15 i recommend anyone go through it but go through it because you get it for free okay please i mean i have like a lot of expenses and then my mom lives with me she's your mom lives with you she does how old's your mom wait why does she live with you well she's she's in her 70s right she had me okay how was her health she's she's okay i mean she's she's not able to work or anything like that so i mean i do take care of her 70s she had you kind of old she was 42 when she had me okay uh so why does she live with you well she she was when i moved i moved from tennessee to alabama she stayed in tennessee and she just wasn't doing well like she was there by herself um i think i was gone for about four to five months and she just like i'm saying she was not doing well yeah so i didn't want her to be there by herself well i agree i agree with that mentally and physically not okay by herself so she came to live with me no i fully support that totally cool so i mean but what is the edit expense for you on that are you like taking care of groceries i'm sure she's getting some kind of social security yeah she does okay so what is the added expense on your end she buys the food for the house for the most part like You have no reason to be behind on bills.
58:22In what fucking world? This is what happens. Okay, so like if I wasn't, if I was living by myself, right? Like the water wouldn't be going. Like I work constantly. No water, no electric. Like I feel like my bills would be a little lower. She can't be using that much. She'd be taking a shower like every five minutes. I don't know what to tell you. But like, and the electric stays on. You know, whereas if I, if it was just me. What's the square footage of your house? Um, 2 ,600. Yeah, that's decently sized. And if you don't have like efficient. There's three bathrooms. There's a garage. Well, yeah.
58:54And if the air is leaking or stuff like that, yeah, that definitely makes it more expensive. Like my electric was like$300 and something. You have a Capital One Savior card. How about we talk about that? $5 ,615.16 on it. Yeah. With$186 minimum fee payment. So this doesn't make any sense. This really doesn't. You have a$6 ,000 credit limit. You're pushing it towards that. You started at$5 ,300. You made the minimum of payment. But then you purchased almost$300 of things. Why would you purchase on a credit card that is accruing interest that you are not paying off? That you can't pay off. About$130 in interest this month alone.
59:32I had no money on my debit card. And I have to leave a little bit in there because. Yeah, you had no money on your credit card. So you should purchase all the bullshit. 90 % of it's bullshit. I don't know about that. Let's look at it. Because I don't feel like it is. If it's TJ Maxx, that's like, I feel essential. Little Caesars. Sheen. Going in Speedway and getting in a f***ing sippy, drinky bulls***. Jax. Going in and getting a drink from Speedway. Five guys. Pizzeria. Ruby Slipper. Yeah, necessity. Huh? Not even one TJ Maxx on there. You got your Sheen. So, that was when we went on vacation and the Ruby Slipper place.
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1:02:34Coffee. Shut the f*** up then. Okay, lady? Shut up! Sometimes when I'm so sleepy. Oh my gosh, I hate you. Okay. 28 % interest. I wonder he chose the other woman to have the child with. That cut a little bit deep. Maybe you should cut up your credit cards instead. Instead of what? said that cuts deep cut up your credit cards change your life take control for the first time act like an adult for the first time in your life no i am i think like very mature and very um that's a good joke for 27 i feel like i'm you 27 you're gonna borrow against half your 401k you're not making your minimum monthly payment on one of your two credit cards and then on the other credit card the balance is going up because you're spending it on bull shut the up you don't know what you're talking about okay okay maybe even more resources maybe get an accounting certification through course careers take that so you can learn how to account your own use the fizz card because it only allows you to spend what's in your checking account so you're not being a dumb and sit down with the financial advisor that i use the credit cards shut the up sit down with the financial advisor that i use at domain money you get a free session just like everyone else in the audience.
1:03:52You get a free session with them, okay? Go through those. Use our damn resources. Yeah. But I will say, with the credit cards, I was doing really good when I first got the credit cards. I don't give a f*** because you're not now. That means nothing. But, I mean, I built my credit up to, like, 700. And now it's 520 or whatever, so I don't give a f***. I like 20. Like, why are you jerking yourself off over your past? Your past doesn't matter. What you're doing is now. I f***ed up a s*** ton in the past. I don't shame myself for that. I focus on now and what to do in the future. You don't get to get all excited because of your...
1:04:27I know how to use credit cards. I know how to utilize them correctly. Then why aren't you doing that? How about that? I just got in a really bad position. Yes, a long time ago now. So why haven't you fixed it? You're not making a minimum of the payment on one or two of them. So what the f*** are you talking about? You're bullshitting me. Well, I didn't... Now, this is for real, for real, right? I wasn't necessarily educated on how to pay them off. So I had all three... What do you mean? I had three credit cards, right? And they were all pretty high. So instead of like paying one of them off completely or like the high interest or something like that, I just put money across the board.
1:05:01And then after I did that, I realized like that probably wasn't the best decision. I probably should have paid it off. Is there any reason you didn't Google how to pay off debt? I just didn't. Exactly. This is so simple, guys. You can literally look this stuff up. Really? You know the interesting thing? I just never researched it. You know the interesting thing? This show should not exist. Even our classes shouldn't exist. The thing is, everything you can just figure out. But no one's able to. So we have to put it in. We have to put in the work and package it into consumable areas, into the show, into the education.
1:05:34It's not something I thought about Googling. I know, but you were thinking about it because you were doing actionable steps of putting money towards your debt. You could have Googled it for three seconds. I was trying to pay them all off. Here's your 401k loan,$8 ,000. Great. Kill me now. What are you invested in? What's your 401k invested in across the board? It's Merrill Lynch. I don't know what specifically. SRP. No, like what's the fund that you selected to be in? Merrill Lynch? I don't know what you're asking me. That's likely the manager of your account. Yes, in there. Yeah. Are you in the S &P 500?
1:06:18are you in a target date retirement what might you be in i'm really not sure i think it's the listen i just contribute okay i know if you're contributing it's not doing anything beneficial then what's the point of contribute well obviously it is because it's grown so much right but so i never really just like so maybe it's following the general market maybe you're in a target date retirement fund since you're younger it's a bit more on the aggressive side yeah okay jake look deeper into the documents and it looks like it's a target date okay just a normal person you can kind of make sense it goes a little too heavy on the bonds for my taste later on but you know for just someone who doesn't want to think about it it's certainly not a bad thing checking it out okay basically the money that went in went out so great okay well we're blocking out the store name, but every single one of these is a store.
1:07:14What are you doing at your work? $2.76. At your work, $1.10. At your work,$8. At your work, uh... Then you went to Wendy's. And then at your work, $2.26. Then$2.62. Taco Bell. Then at your work, you did $2.86. At your work,$3.29. At your work,$4.63. You're obsessed! You're out there, you're walking down every aisle and shoving everything in your throat! No, not at all. What are you doing then? Because they're supposed to be paying you, not you paying them. It's just like when you're right there, right? And like everything. When you're what there? When you're right there. At there. Okay. Right there.
1:07:57Right. Oh, when you're right there. Yeah. Oh, for f***ing sake, lady. At the store. And like, I mean, obviously you can get whatever you want. They have everything there. And like I always need a Red Bull just to like. Because it's a lot. It's a lot. Why are you buying individual f***ing Red Bulls? Go to a place where you can buy in bulk. Even at the store you work at, buy in bulk. And put it in, like, the employee refrigerator. I try not to drink Red Bull because it's really bad for you. Yet you purchase it every day at work. So this trying has failed. So just f***ing either quit or do it smart.
1:08:30Well, I quit for a while. You know, like, a long time I quit drinking Red Bull because it's not good for you. And I don't agree with drinking Red Bull. What on this statement is a Red Bull purchase every other day? but when you're there and like you're tired and like so do it smart if you're there you can purchase a pack from the aisle yeah i mean yes and then that gives you at least four for a more affordable per ounce price you're trying not to drink them like why would you go buy a whole pack you know because obviously this is not working you just have to resist you have to pitch the smart choice because you're not resisting you're not resisting but i'm trying you can't resist Red Bulls, you can't resist gray hair on men.
1:09:08You have to make the right choice. You need to move on from him and move on from Red Bull. Or if you can't move on from Red Bull, you need... So are you saying if I can't move on from him, I shouldn't? Huh? No, you should talk to a therapist about that. This is every second of your life. And also, some of them, they're never the same price. So you're getting more than just a Red Bull. You're getting a snack and stuff too sometimes. Or you're doubling up that bull. It's the small ones and then it's the bigger ones. So it just depends on the day? Yeah, if it's a bad day, we gotta... Even still, literally not one of them were the same price.
1:09:42Like, it's always different. It is always different. There is not one that was the same price. Are you sure? Yes! I have the numbers in front of my eyeballs. It might be, like, a little snack with it. As in the thing I just suggested 30 seconds ago, but you couldn't comprehend? Yeah. Might be. My gosh. But normally it's just the Red Bull. Oh, by the way, fun fact. I forgot to even mention it on the credit card that you were at least making the payment on you have missed like eight payments this year so far late so is that even like you pay those payments on time anyway normally but that was back when that was before I got my raise and I really was having a hard time what was your income again before the raise so it was 16 every month No, every bi-weekly it was$1 ,600.
1:10:30Yeah, it was$1 ,600 bi-weekly. Okay, yeah, you got a$500 raise. That's great on a monthly basis,$500 a month. Net. I mean, no, no, no, good raise for sure. Should not make or break your entire life with the price of your mortgage. That does not make sense. That does not make sense. You spend ridiculously. I was bored actually. You spend ridiculously. Because I didn't have enough money. Because you spend ridiculously, lady. If you don't fucken fix your habits!
1:10:59There you go. Purchasing from your store. $5.97. Purchasing from your store. $2.29. Purchasing from your store. $4.28. Purchasing from your store. $11.51. Purchasing from your store. $8.90. Speedway, you went in and got another monster. Purchasing from your store. $3.22. Purchasing from your store. $4.11. Purchasing from your store,$4.24 Purchasing from your store,$7.25 Then you went to Dunkin' Donuts to switch up the kind of caffeine we're getting Then you went Taco Bell Purchasing from your store,$1.94 Purchasing from your store,$2.29 Circle K went in, got a Bev Arby's'd it up, the Yellow Deli, expensive,$25 Speedway went in, got that coffee Purchasing from your store,$1.95 Purchasing from your store,$5 $5.09.
1:11:52Purchasing from your store,$5.35. Sonic Drive-In. Purchasing from your store,$2.76. Purchasing from your store,$2.76. There you go. That's the same price. Purchasing from your store,$8.18. Speedway went and got a coffee. Jack S. Some restaurant. Purchasing from your store,$6.12. or actually sorry that one's$2.76 and then oh there's Marshall's that's not TJ Maxx and$17.56 where are the TJ Maxx's you keep talking about TJ I didn't see TJ yet purchasing from your store $3.22 what the f*** are you talking about lady I just don't realize and then Happy Hollow$20 Happy Hollow surprise there's no overdraft fees I don't But you do have monthly fees because you don't have enough money in there.
1:12:47So you're giving your bank$5 just to exist. That's a joke. That's a joke. Do you have any other debts that I don't know about? Any family debts? Any friend debts? No. Nothing like that. I'm surprised. I just don't know. And what's up with your dad? My dad.
1:13:06Nothing. Nothing. Just not with your mom? Oh, yeah. No. They're just not together. Okay. Yeah. They're just not together. I feel like if you have a lot of room left in your budget after I make you a budget, I'm going to be pissed. You don't have to pay for groceries. I really think that you will see. I will see on my own. I struggle so much. I'm about to find out. $3 ,708. What comes in? Debt minimum payment is$186. Wait, sorry.
1:13:38$583, probably. You know what? Let's say that minimum payment on that other one that you said is more is$200. Okay, 200. Okay. Minimum monthly payment, 683. Mortgage? Mortgage is$14.98. What's your interest rate? No. It's 8%. On your mortgage? Yeah. When did you get your house? 2022. You're raising rates in 23. Why was it so bad? Did they start raising at the end of 2022? When in 2022? It was the beginning. Why is your rate so bad? I actually purchased it in February of 2022. Okay. Water, gas, electric. Average it out. Average for electric, I would say, is like$250. Summer months, it's more expensive.
1:14:30Keep going. Gas. And then gas, water is like$75. Is it combined? Yes, it's combined. Okay. Internet? My mother pays for that, so nada. phone bill um that is 186 you on your phone well my mom's phone is on there also and i own hers and mine so oh on both yeah oh for f***ing sake can't even get you to switch to helium for 15 bucks a month i gotta take care of my mommy well yeah but you can own the phones outright and then you can both be on helium 15 bucks each well i'm paying them off t-mobile service yeah okay Gas. Room from drive, drive on a monthly basis. It's very expensive. So, like, I live.
1:15:15Yeah, a number. I live probably 60 miles away from work. So, I would say on average a month it's around$300 to$400. $400. Car insurance. Car insurance is$380. TP fund. Anything else you need to survive? $100. Your mom's Social Security can cover her TP fund. You don't pay for groceries, nor do you need to, because she does. Medical health care. Anything ongoing? No. You have any pets? You have a dog. I've got a dog. How much for pet food? And then I have my little piggy. How much? Huh? My little piggy. My pig? My pig. My pig. How much for pet food on a monthly basis? Probably around, I'm going to say$70 because his food is a little bit more expensive.
1:15:57He eats a lot. Okay. Do you have pet insurance on the dog at least? I don't know if pigs can get it. I don't think pigs can get it. Okay. Get pet insurance or else you're being a selfish pet owner. I'm going to call that 40 bucks a month So no medical healthcare Jim? Yes $30. It's like$28 $28 then Anything else That needs to be in your budget that I am not taking account for I got a Spotify No you don't Well we put in things like that After the fact. This is your needs Come on Well I cut off all of my subscriptions when I moved into the house Because I couldn't pay for them except for Spotify because I drive such a long way to work every day.
1:16:39Let's see if we can fit it in. I feel like I need it. I'm not against fitting it in. It's like the only thing I have. You can't fit it in. Can't? Nope. You are under by$2. See? I mean, literally, if you can't afford it. I mean, this is because your debt minimum payments. You've allowed yourself to go up, and you got a mortgage that, honestly, you couldn't afford. Then you financed phones you shouldn't have. Again, we get rid of the financing of the phones. You get rid of some of the minimum debt payments, even just one of them, all of a sudden you are able to not only break even but start making progress.
1:17:10Cut the gym, unfortunately. You have to go on walks around the neighborhood. I'm chunky. I need the gym. Listen, we both do. Great. Listen, you're literally under by$2, so debt only goes up. Plus, you have to, like, you have to actually go into the branch and cancel your membership. Shut up for a second. Gym is great. Yes, you do a little effort. Gym is great. You're just going to be focusing on home stuff for a bit and walking and jogging and stuff like that just until you have... You know, we have to cut everywhere we can. Yeah. And I'd rather you have pet insurance than a gym. No gym. Why'd you buy so far away from your work?
1:17:47Well... Can you transfer to one closer? No. Why? I just can't. There's no... There hasn't been no openings. I mean, there... If there is, take it. But not right now. There's not any. But if there is, you'll take it? I'll try. I would try. If gas can go from$400 to$200, boom, we start making moves. Yeah, much easier. But that's why I'm saying, like, if I take out a 401k loan, and I know this sounds crazy. No. But sometimes it's not always, like, black and white, you know? No, it's not black and white. If I take out the 401k loan and I pay off my car and all those credit cards, then it cuts that minimum monthly payment.
1:18:23No, no, no, because that doesn't make sense for you because your behavior got you here. Your 401k loan is a shortcut. A shortcut then is not good because it's also tightening up your retirement. And also it's going to be like 13%, 14%. Is that better than some of the credit cards? Sure. It's not better than your car. Either way, either way, here's the thing. You're not changing your behavior. You didn't work to get out of debt. Well, I wasn't. Shut up for a second. If you didn't change your behavior, your debt will go back up. It's happened a thousand times on this show. A consolidation loan, a personal loan, a credit card transfer, or 401k loan just to pay off a debt.
1:18:58your credit cards go back up again. That's what will happen. I would rather you work to get out of debt because it's more sustainable. I'm not against personal loans or consolidations or debt forgiveness programs. I'm not against any of that, but you have to change your behavior as you're doing it. If you don't change your behavior, you're going to end up in debt again. You're on track for being close to the right retirement for your age. That$8 ,000 is denting against it already, but you're relatively almost on track. You're going to start f***ing yourself here's the actual solution for you that i would personally do me
1:19:36you said your schedule is unpredictable so does that mean the day is unpredictable yes so like i don't have the same days off and then i don't work the same hours schedule and then because i'm salary like if there's a need to stay over then you stay over and if there's a need to come in early you come in early i want you to get a part-time job but i don't know how yeah with that schedule that's why i was doing the door dash because it's reasonable. How was your DoorDash earnings versus gas? It wasn't good. I wouldn't think so, especially in a town like that. There was no tips. I was making just what you make from the actual DoorDash.
1:20:11The only tip you're getting is gray hair 40-year-old. Listen, you're breaking even by at least cutting the gym. Phone bill. You shouldn't have done that. You really shouldn't have done that. That really f***s it off. Utilities, you're going to have room some months. Some room, you're going to be over. Mortgage you can't afford. You bought your house in 2023? Two. Two? What's the remaining mortgage? So I've got 176 left on it. And I purchased it for 200. Type in your address. Fancy little computer. It's touchscreen. It's an iPad. I like that. Listen, it was estimate. I've got two acres of land, too.
1:20:49I feel like I did well for myself, honestly. The pig ruins the solution. this solution. I'm not against the pig thing. I love it, actually. You need to say him. He's the cutest little baby. He knows how to stand. For a second. Well, I was thinking about getting rid of him. I was, because he keeps getting out of my pants. And I'm afraid somebody's going to, like, either shoot him because... Someone will adopt him? I don't think so. Like, where I work, there's a bunch of Amish people. Like, it's an Amish community. And I thought about maybe some... He'll be eaten. Yeah, they'll eat him, I think.
1:21:24You're okay with your pet being eaten? No. That's what I'm saying. So you're not getting rid of them? No. Not to the Amish. Well, it was like an option. It was a thought. And then, like, I was kind of talking about it. Lady, listen. They're going to eat him. I said, oh, my God, my piggy. I think the best solution is actually selling your house and moving to a rented place. But with the pig, you can't. No one's going to lie to you to have a pig. And I have my dog. Yeah, you can do that. My beagle. You can do that. The dog's fine. There's a few, there's some landlords that will say no, but there will.
1:22:01I think because you definitely have an equity position. I'm guessing you'd walk away with at least$40 ,000. I'm guessing the Zestiman's over by like$20 ,000 or something. You probably could walk away with like$40 ,000. I don't necessarily want you to wipe the, maybe we wipe the car with that, then we pay off the credit cards via behavior. That's what I want to do. and then you stuff the rest aside for a down payment on a home again in the future but you just simply won the mortgage is pretty unaffordable to you you know again you're just behind on your stuff if i didn't have the minimum monthly payments i feel like i would be okay no shit so like that's what that's what i'm trying to you should host the show is like the best way to get rid of these because that's really what holds me back is like the minimum monthly payments What would your minimum payment be on this 401k loan?
1:22:53If I took the loan out, it would stay the same. It would be like$100. A part of me, I don't like this because it vibes with my... You agree? You agree with me? No, a part of me is my morals don't vibe with this because I believe if you borrow, pay it off. But I almost let the other one, the credit cards go to collections at this point because your credit score is already ruined. So it's just like, and then you just, you hope they don't legally go after you, which they could. I mean, that$9 ,000 balance on one of them is pretty big, so they could go after you. Yeah, I don't want that to happen.
1:23:25It might be worth it in the legal process. I really don't want to do that. I know, so it's definitely a risk. Yeah. Maybe one of the debt programs where you go into the debt program and then they negotiate it. It's really difficult. You're on that edge, so there's really nothing to cut, and I don't know how to get you a part-time job because your schedule is just so weird. I think you need to move closer to you as soon as you can. Or you need to sell the house. Don't know what you do with the pig. You need to cut expenses anywhere and everywhere you can. This is already without food. I don't know.
1:23:57So I'm starving. Maybe trade down our phones a little. I'm not going to the gym. Maybe we're trading down our phones a little. I'm not starving. You're not going out to eat. You said your mom buys the groceries. She does. That helps out. That helps out a lot. Then we just start cracking at these debts one by one. and you'll get there. Just go smallest to the largest. I'm making the minimum monthly payments on the Savior. It's just the bread. You missed five this year. So shut up. It was before I got that extra$500. I don't care. You still missed five this year, so don't say I'm making them. Buddy, you missed almost half of them this year.
1:24:36But when I got my raise, that's what I paid twice. I get it, but your spending likely increases well because, look, we have your spending. I don't know. there's some potential solutions. This one's going to be hard. Why don't you sit down with the financial advisor, see if they have any extra thoughts. You know, this is a live thing that we're doing right now. Maybe something's not popping in my head that, you know, I could be thinking about. So sit down with those financial advisors that don't mean money. They might be able to help. Either way, I'm going to call the dude on my number in the post show.
1:25:05We're going to have that crazy conversation. So make sure you guys join our YouTube membership. I recommend elite for thousands of hours of extra content, exclusive audits, a call-in show where you can talk to us. A lot of other things. And live streams as well. Let's get your hammer for an initial score. Spending a budget you overspent. Debt. No collections, but 401k loan. It was really bad. And not paying on it. I can't give you better than a 1 out of 10. Emergency fund didn't have any savings. 0 out of 10. Retirement is relatively good. I'm close to giving you like... You know, it would have been damn like 8, 9, but you take a 4.
1:25:40On the financial score? on the retirement part but your 401k is definitely bringing it down to at least the five out of ten real estate you do own a home the mortgage is too expensive the interest rate is not good that's honestly probably what's you maybe refinancing it at a lower rate well they say that it mathematically justifies if you can save two percent this next rate cut see where mortgage rates are about a month after that. If you can get under 6 % refinancing your home, you have a score. Your debt to income is horrible. You're not going to be able to refinance. Not for anything worth it.
1:26:18Real estate, because of those qualities going against you, I'm also going to give it a 5 out of 10 because it's a risky situation. Hammer financial score, 2.5 out of 10. Real estate saved you. Congratulations. Alright, y 'all. All of our education is bundled together for 15 % off. And I'll see you guys in the post show. Make sure you join that link in the description below. It's about to be a wild one. So you still love gray hair? I don't know. It's hard to say. I do. That's emotional cheating. Call him. He didn't want me to come on this show. He's a bad person. Oh, yeah. I'm getting nervous. Listen, he was a dick, so we can f*** him a little, right?
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