I Finally Had To Kick Someone Off Financial Audit

16 Oct 2024 · 1 h 24 min

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Podcast Notes: Financial Audit - Episode: I Finally Had To Kick Someone Off Financial Audit

Episode Overview In this episode, the host, Caleb Hammer, conducts a financial audit with a guest named Evan, a 29-year-old business owner from Stephenville, Texas who operates a classic Mercedes shop. The discussion reveals several financial missteps, including high-interest debt, a lack of budgeting, and an overall failure to control spending. The episode culminates in a heated exchange about financial accountability and the necessity for sacrifice in managing personal finances.

Key Themes

  • Debt Management: Discussion on various debts, including high-interest credit cards and loans.
  • Budgeting: The importance of setting up a budget for both personal and business finances.
  • Financial Education: Strategies for improving financial literacy and decision-making.

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Main Discussions

Introduction to Evan

  • Background: Evan owns a classic Mercedes shop, which he bought for $160,000 with a down payment of $15,000.
  • Current Financial Status: Claims the business is successful but struggles with debt management.

Debt and Financial Mismanagement

  • Types of Debt:
  • Business loans and credit cards with high-interest rates (up to 200%).
  • Specific mention of Credit One cards accumulating high fees.
  • Income and Business Revenue:
  • Monthly business income varies; struggles to separate personal and business finances.
  • Lack of a business bank account complicating financial tracking.

Budgeting Issues

  • Failure to Budget: Evan admits to not having a budget, which leads to uncalculated spending and further debt.
  • Tax Preparation:
  • No savings for impending tax liabilities; risks penalties.
  • The discussion emphasizes the importance of budgeting for taxes based on business revenue.

Emotional and Psychological Aspects

  • Defensiveness: Evan becomes defensive when discussing financial decisions, especially regarding spending on non-essential items.
  • Willingness to Change: Caleb challenges Evan's willingness to sacrifice certain luxuries (e.g., a motorcycle) to improve his financial situation, leading to a heated exchange.

Critical Financial Steps Suggested by Caleb

  • Budgeting Classes: Caleb urges Evan to enroll in budgeting and investing classes to improve financial management skills.
  • Debt Payoff Strategy: Discusses the difference between the snowball and avalanche methods for paying down debt, pushing for a focused approach rather than spreading payments thinly across multiple debts.

Concluding Remarks

  • Financial Realities: Caleb expresses frustration that Evan isn't willing to make necessary sacrifices, implying that without significant changes, Evan's financial situation will worsen.
  • Future Outlook: Caleb suggests that Evan has potential but must take actionable steps to secure his financial future.

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Key Takeaways

  • Leverage Debt Wisely: While borrowing can help build a business, it needs to be managed carefully to avoid crippling debt.
  • Track Finances: Maintaining separate accounts for business and personal finances can help clarify financial health.
  • Prioritize Expenses: Understanding the difference between wants and needs is crucial for financial stability.
  • Seek Education: Continuous learning about personal finance can lead to better financial decisions.
  • Act on Advice: Simply knowing what to do isn't enough; action is needed to improve one's financial situation.

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Resources Mentioned

  • Hammer Financial Score: A tool to assess financial health.
  • Budgeting and Investing Classes: Discounted offers for guests of the show.
  • Moo Moo: An app offering free stocks and cash incentives for signing up.

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Conclusion This episode serves as a candid exploration of financial mismanagement, emphasizing the necessity of budgeting, tracking expenses, and making sacrifices to achieve financial stability. The heated discussions also highlight the need for emotional readiness to make tough financial decisions for long-term success.

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1:16And you're going to fit over me not wanting to get rid of a Harley? I'm not going to waste my time. I'm not going to waste their time. You're not wasting time. I'm wasting time if you're not willing to sacrifice anything in this conversation. So I'm done. This conversation's done. It's brand new. It's going to depreciate. Mute this mic. Mute this mic, please. My name is Evan. I'm from Stephenville, Texas. I'm 29 years old, and this is Financial Audit. Thanks for coming down to Austin. What do you do for a living up there? So I own a classic Mercedes shop. You own? Own. Business owner? Yep. Okay, this is exciting.

1:49Wow, how does the business do? So it's been pretty good. It's been open for about a year now, officially. I bought the shop in August last year. Started doing it January. You bought the shop? Bought the shop. So this isn't ground up from you, which is fine. It's totally okay. But buying a shop sounds expensive. Can be if you do it wrong. Was it? I mean, the shop was$160 ,000. Okay. That sounds crazy. I put down$15 ,000. How was the shop doing before you bought it? So, no, it was just an empty shop. Oh. It was an empty shop with some land and it was for sale. Okay. Okay. I thought you bought a pre-existing business.

2:27No, no, no. Okay. build it from the ground up there we go okay very cool okay now if it is so successful and all that stuff i mean i think there's there's a loan in here that's like 200 interest you know there's there's like some of the more wild debts that exist for people to take out where is that money coming from the success if not to pay off debt why is the debt being taken out why is there debt if this is a successful business well you gotta have debt to make money you gotta you gotta borrow money to make money that's how it is you have to borrow money to make money do you have 150 grand sitting in the bank right now do i yeah not do 99 percent taxes okay do 99 of the world have 150 grand sitting in the bank to just throw it into a business that may or may not work oh that's what you're saying upfront costs of the business yeah okay well there's nothing wrong with necessarily taking out like a small business loan there's some good opportunities again you have a 200 loan i don't think that's what we're talking about 200 i don't have one at 200 we'll go over it it's only a couple in but you also have just traditional credit cards and stuff that are sitting around 30 you have credit one which is sitting which gets monthly fees so you have to borrow money to make money one i borrowed no money to make this business to be okay but you don't have to borrow money to make money that's a that's a some experts will say otherwise so this business doesn't exist i'm not saying yours i'm saying you said you have to you said have to in my world yes have to as in there's literally no other option well let's see you're gonna love this i had no job and i took out the loan for the business so i could make more money i couldn't just make 150 grand appear no again i'm not against uh appropriate leverage in certain situations and it may have worked in your situation but you're saying you have to it's the only you have to borrow to make money yes i did you yes not everyone okay so let's not generalize it yes i had you said you have to that's what you said okay i'm going off of your words okay well for me yes i did have to borrow money maybe not everybody has to but that's maybe what one percent of the world like a small business loan yes we can do that but again there's credit one credit cards in here yes that's not before those are before okay yeah so that's not we have to borrow money type of debt again we could even even a personal loan like i the interest rates aren't fantastic but that's something we can potentially think about if needed to expand a certain area or different business loans there's you know i i take out as long as the interest rates make sense and the math makes sense i take out leverage on real estate but that's because you know that's often the best way to take advantage of real estate you get something that's at four hundred thousand dollars and if it's appreciating like six percent a year even though you have like eighty thousand dollars into it that forty thousand four hundred thousand is still what's appreciating at that six percent a year so there's lots of good ways to take advantage of leverage but again this is a big pile of stupid well yeah but a lot of that has only started before the shop it started before the shop but if it was successful why hasn't it been paid off who said i was successful you said it's been a successful shop well i haven't gone under so that's the value of the bills okay success is being able in my opinion success is being able to do what you love and enjoy doing it and being able to just live comfortably.

6:04Everyone would love to have a Ferrari or be able to travel the world, do whatever. Of course, everyone loves to do that. Big difference between owning a Ferrari and just literally not having credit one credit cards. No one in the world said, well, your definition that you just said right there isn't success. I would also define that as success, but you're saying living comfortably, you're having debt that you're not able to pay off. That's not living comfortably. Well, I am paying it off. It's just taking time. Maybe I should pay it off better. Yeah, it's going to take literal decades. Well, yeah, if I do minimum payments.

6:37Which is what oftentimes you do. Well, also spending on them. Well, maybe, but I haven't spent on them lately. I haven't spent on them lately. Incorrect. I have your most recent statements. You do, and I haven't spent on them lately. Well, what's lately? A year or three days? Lately? This is your most recent statement, so this would be lately. It's your only available proof that you can print off and show lately. It's the most recent thing, so that's lately. Okay, well, we'll see what it says, but I have not spent on them lately. I really haven't. I'll tell you what it says. All right. $41 is spending on the first credit card.

7:16First credit one? Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah, you lately spent$41 on that credit card. There's only about 1 ,000 more credit cards to go through. There are. Yeah. so I'd say you did spend on why would you even say that I'm so confused you're combative okay this is interesting alright I'm just I don't get why why even say that though if that's just objectively not true I did not realize I did spend on it in the last month okay but there's also more cards you spent on we're not talking about the more we're talking about that one we're talking about credit cards in general buddy okay well you said credit one right okay credit cards you said credit one okay fine so we're hitting on the credit one even credit one you spent on okay so i spent so it doesn't matter okay regardless it is what it is it is what it is what it is so that's how we uh that's how we can't change history just focus on the future exactly but you're not focusing on the future because you're only making minimum payments and still spending on the cars that are accruing interest that you're not paying off so you're not focusing on the future so what so i haven't focused on those but i focus on other things what so my uh asima and my affirm i have focused on those i've made more payments on those my harbor freight i've made more on those yes i have a firm okay yeah cool you're you're easily triggered aren't you so am i it's okay uh so am i i get it i can get heated quickly i'm a competitive little boy in different things notice play me a game in mario kart and i'll be freaking out you probably would yeah that'd be interesting yeah we play them on the the member streams for those who are there but um okay well i need to know about your income do you even know now what comes into the business but after everything what are you able to withdraw from the business so that has actually been a a struggle for me to get it yes a successful business as you said i have oh to separate sorry to separate what comes in everything goes into my personal bank account right now i have not set up a business bank account yet because i just i don't know how to to be honest i haven't gone that far i haven't looked at you i know how to set up a business bank account but being able to separate everything and pay myself you have it deposited into the business checking account and then your business expenses come from the business checking account so what what's the confusing part there because i don't want to be dismissive of that i want to So I understand the whole point of putting the money into the business account.

9:51Yeah. And then paying myself at the end of the week or in the two weeks. Are you LLC? Yes. So that's more, you know, you're just acting as a pass through. But what the business account is doing there is essentially, this is really helping you keep the books by the end of the year. Helping you take advantage of different tax advantages. Understandable. Right off, deductions, all that good stuff. So, but for my actual income, it's really just whatever work gets completed throughout that month. That's my income. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it varies. But you have expenses, no? i do yes okay so would you deduct those from the income so the revenue really what it is is if i get say ten thousand dollars for a job it goes straight in my bank account and then i pay my bills whether it's the company bills or my personal bills whoa what is this va benefits that's like nine thousand dollars it's twelve hundred dollars or nineteen hundred dollars a month every month the nine thousand was a uh uh back pay for them back paying me what is this is this disability yes there is not one veteran that has been on the show that does not have disability by the way so does every veteran in the world that you know have disability because as far as i know it's except for my grandfather for some reason but okay can i ask what happened for myself yeah just basic stuff hurt knee hurt back had you heard it hiking just typical stuff rather not get into all that yeah but you wouldn't get disability for hiking well just hurt legs hurt back yeah but from in the military yeah okay because when you say hiking i'm thinking you're just going outside ruck marches okay okay there we go if that's what you're wondering sure uh yeah i don't need i don't need details i was just curious hey i just become more and more curious because this is every single veteran on the show is on some form of disability yeah which totally down for if something happened yeah i'm not against that but it just it's making me more and more curious every single time i understand and i mean if we get on it it's probably because they have to go through a whole system it takes like six eight months most of the time they do their research see what did happen in the military and then sure they give it to you or they don't sure eight so 1800 bucks a month for that but there was some back pay okay zell in is zell from the business zell is from business okay 7614 i don't remember does it say from who uh sorry this is just total numbers but as we go through the accounts we can see but there was a total zelling in okay that was more than likely all income to the business to the business so you get paid through zell sell okay uh paypal and then cash don't paypal cash okay let's see yeah cash app 340 would that be business as well uh more likely not okay that's all but paypal is 2 ,696 yep that was then cash deposit was 4 ,500 yes okay and then there's a remote deposit of 166 or across the board?

12:35Could have been a check. For business? Yes. Or an ATM deposit of 16 bucks? I get... Lottery? You won the lottery? Yeah, I won a little bit of money. A little bit of money. How much did you put into it? I'm about broken even, if I'm being honest. I've put in about three. Better than most. Better than most. Okay, so I'm going to add up with this business income. Okay. Now, big question here. What was your start date of the business? August 14th of last year. Okay. How'd taxes go last year? I made$19 ,000. Did you file, though? Yes. I have a CPA that did it all for me. Good. Probably didn't owe too much, no?

13:16No. But this... It was$19 ,000. But this year, are you saving up the necessary money for the taxes? Because, again, I mean, that last month shows business revenue, if that is all accurate, of$14 ,976. Okay, so I'm not saving for taxes now to pay at the end of the year because all the money is being spent. Okay, if it's all being spent on business, you might be okay there. But is it all being spent on business and what the IRS will define as business expenses? More likely, no. Okay, well, then you don't have an excuse and the IRS is not going to be happy with that and they're going to come out.

14:01And I'll deal with that whenever I get there. When they show up with guns? Yeah. Well, I don't think they'll do that. But if they do, I'll fire back. Yeah, I don't think you're going to beat the ones with nukes. Okay. So business revenue. This is going to be... I'm excited for this conversation. This is interesting. You and me both. Why are you so excited? I'd like to see how this goes. $14 ,976.72. cents so i would want to see gosh probably at least because

14:37if we're taking into account different deductions and everything i mean it's probably safe to say 30 on a monthly basis so this last month i would have once seen would want to see you set aside about$4 ,493. Now, do you know how much was spent on the business last month? So the shop every month is$1 ,500. Okay. And then I have electrical, which comes out to about$300 a month. Okay. Internet,$130. I do have an employee. I pay him$6.50 a week. It's flat. Flat? Okay. Go out to eat every day. Take him out to eat for lunch. You just said you don't have money. Well, I do. To go out to eat. Which is more important than losing your business.

15:29Most people die if they don't eat. If, like... It's obvious. Was the VA disability for losing half a brain? I didn't have it whenever I went in. Huh? What? You know how to put meat between two slices of bread, buddy. You don't have to go out to eat every day. You don't, but it's nice to. But that's... Yeah, it's nice to. But you just said most people die if they don't eat. Don't be dumb. Don't be a dumb. You what? Have you never made a meal in your life? I've made multiple. OK, then you can bring them to work. OK, good. Now, legitimately, guys, I believe that you, everyone in your life, everyone around us can actually take control of their financial future and make their lives better.

16:10And we've spent over a year here creating tools to help make those goals a reality. Right now, our budgeting program and investing program are bundled together at a 15 % discount. and you get$100 in cash gifted to you right into your Moomoo account. There's honestly no time like the present to actually take control of your future. Don't wait. Don't let this opportunity pass you. $650 for the employee. I'm not going to count the eating out. What else? Tools,$200 a week through Snap-on. Is that a debt? It is a debt. It's a truck debt, though. It's not financed. Oh, it's through their special little thing.

16:49Yeah, just through the owner. Everyone always, every time on this show, that little truck pulls up, people are just like, here, take all my money forever. How am I supposed to work on cars if I don't have the tool to work on? Yeah, they always say you need this. And it's a tax write-off. Tools are a tax write-off. Listen, I'm going to count that against your business revenue in a second. I'm just trying to figure this out. What else, Ray Karin? I use my truck for work. Does that count? I use it to haul cars and pick up customers. Yeah, how much gas? uh oh diesel is probably well is the truck under owned by the business i haven't put under business name okay then i'm not gonna do that but just for general things here let's just and then we'll get into your personal finances but this will help me calculate essentially what's could be coming home on a monthly basis so two thousand seven hundred eighty dollars of expenses so about twelve thousand and it should be left over relatively and then you're going to set 30 inside of that 3 600 and you should have just about 8 537 dollars and 20 cents left on a monthly basis plus your va disability now that's based on this last month was this bet last month pretty normal a little slow actually this last okay then i'm going to do it to be conservative so i think we can then say about 10 337 okay okay let's just say that because you need some money aside for texas why risk losing your business it's understandable it is your business is your life right now right this is your baby you're growing it's great now good news is if i'm not mistaken and you're going to sit down with the cp and figure this out this is going to be your first full year business operations and you shouldn't face any late fees or any uh or penalties or any penalties for not doing quarterly because it's your first year.

18:37So you're pretty much going to have almost all next year to pay your taxes. I think. Confirm that with them. It's something we started to go through when we're building this business and it became a lot bigger than we thought, way quicker than we thought. And then we were like, oh, you had to figure it all out. But that's something you're going to have to worry about. So I'm not freaking out, but you're going to have to get the money to at least pay the taxes. And I would start setting that 30 % aside now. So I guess on that note, I do go to the comptroller website every month on the 19th I have it set.

19:08Okay. And I pull what taxes I made through my shop system and I make that payment for just what labor. Because I charge tax only on labor. Oh. And I pay that every month towards my taxes, if that makes sense. Through the comptroller. Through the Texas comptroller website. So just Texas taxes. Yes. Okay, well, federal is going to be your big boy anyway. Yes. Because Texas is relatively minimal. Okay. So, federal is, I mean, that's a scary one anyway. It is. It is. Okay. Just want to throw that out there. Well, that's okay. That's good to know. And honestly, that's probably calculated towards that anyway.

19:46So, I want to know, self-assess, where do you think your personal finances are? Zero to 10, zero being the absolute worst, 10 being the absolute best. Like me budgeting or just how much debt I have? Your entire financial picture across the board. I'd call it an eight. Okay. Eight being bad. You've seen the show, right? Yeah. Why do you think I'm here? I know, but you wouldn't think in any world you'd be considering an eight. You said eight being the best or 10 being the best. Oh, okay. No, two. I heard that reversed. Yeah, you did. No, I'm at a two. Okay. Okay. Much more reasonable. No, no. If you watch your Hammer Financial Score, link in the description below.

20:25It's free. And if you want to be on the show, go to calebhammer.com. slash apply. We'd be happy to have you down to Austin, Texas. Alright. Yeah, again, this credit one. We have a credit one. Yeah, credit one. I got three of them. Why did you open credit once? Because I didn't do my research and they approved me. Yeah, they approve anyone, basically. I learned. $686.61. The minimum fee payment of$35. But yeah, you spent. You told me you didn't, but you did. Okay. $8.25 of interest is accruing. It's for Clash of Clans? Oh, I do remember. Hold on, no, I remember that now. I don't even have that app anymore.

21:04And actually, so, yeah, I remember that now. I completely forgot. Yeah, I bought some kind of pack or something on Clash of Clans. Oh, fuck me. Yeah, yeah. I deleted the app like a week later, too. Yeah, because were you spending a lot on it? Actually, no, because I stopped playing the game. It got boring. Oh, fuck me. Two Clash of Clans. Yeah. And then it'll be Acrobat. using that for the business yes we want to go through this through the business though to help you when you're doing the books man plus it's not helping anyway because this is going on a car that you're not paying off that's a growing interest it's not like it's horrifically far from the entire correct uh credit limit on that card anyway what what is the limit on that one because we got three 950 on this one you know another thing about you not managing your finances right you not even being prepared for tax season next year and guess what we're entering q4 here in a second uh you have an employee and he depends on you and you this up and then your employees and it's your fault yes 100 so nonchalant what if you cared about you to be doing something You'd be a big boy right now.

22:20What am I doing here? I'm here. This is not. This is not. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That is what every single person says to try to get out of any kind of pushback when they sit in that chair. No, you're here. That's what everyone comes here for is to go through their finances. I know. But you've done nothing this entire year to prepare for taxes. I have not. The way I do my taxes is I send my 12 bank statements to my CPA. He does my taxes and done. How much do you have in savings? It's not going to be done this year. Last year you didn't make anything. This month you made half of what you made last year.

22:51And it's a slow month. So it's going to be completely different. It's not I send my CPA and it's done. No, you're going to be writing a big check. So. With money you don't have. Yes. Money I don't have. I got. Right now I got about$3 ,000. And then your employees. Their livelihood. So he'll be taken care of. You have any kids? You have a spouse? Nope. Okay. Well, he'll be taken care of. With what? You don't have any money. What are you talking about? I'll get the money. I'll make the money. I'll work harder. Get the money. Not through the business. It'll be taken from you. Not really, because I'll just work and get everything paid off.

23:25I'll get the taxes paid. I'll work, take the money, and pay it. Okay, so at that point, what you're saying is telling the IRS after all, every avenue is already gone through that are essentially potentially penalty-free for being a first-year business, once that's all gone, then you start going into IRS debt, and you're saying you're going to pay that off? 25 % IRS debt. So it's going to put you in a deeper and deeper hole because you're going to start paying that. And to pay that, you're not going to be saving up for the next year's taxes. And then it just gets, man, you don't understand the danger of this.

23:58You really don't. Listen, I'm a new young, we're the same age. We're the same age, young business owners, young businesses that are both growing pretty quick. And we've both been successful. And this is awesome. I love this. This is great. But there are so many people out there that have completely thrown this away by f***ing up. It was one of the first things that once we were like, oh, this is a real business, we put money and time into figuring it out because it is necessary for the longevity of the business. And you're just f***ing around and that's scary. It is. And I have to agree, yes. I haven't dug into it as well as I should have.

24:39But, I don't know. I haven't been able to figure out what to do, the steps on how to build a business. Well, let's go through and let's figure it out, man. 29.24%. I mean, first thing to do on just your first personal thing as you're going through this, I need you to budget. Your business should have a budget. We don't have anything for business related stuff, at least at this time. But at least for now, we can get you in our budgeting class. Go through it. Take all the quizzes. Go through the education. Build your budget. Manage it. Go through the investing one as well. You get it for free by being a guest on the show.

25:14You guys can get it 15 discount bundled link in the description below but go through that it's and i got that it's been the biggest issue why i haven't been able to build a budget is i don't pay myself i just take what i have in the bank at the time to be able to pay my bills and everything every week is different some week one week i may just have enough to pay minimum other week i may do pretty well and that's whenever i try to buy some extra stuff buy more cars or be able to just pay some extra debt off yeah and we have a whole section dedicated to variable month budgets where months are just unpredictable so we we got you we got you but we'll go through this and then we'll also give a plan at the end of this but you know typically when figuring out your first budget and everything it takes hours so you know we're we're gonna kind of have like a makeshift budget and then um let's see things so this one's interesting this one is interesting so you got something and Akema, Akema?

26:10Asema. Asema. Asema. $2 ,649 is the purchase price, but the total you'll be paying is$6 ,304. Also known as essentially a 200 % interest rate. So Asema has a 100-day same-as-cash payoff. Where are you in that 100 days? So right now I owe$900, and I got two weeks, and that should be paid off by then. i'm not i've already used them four times every single time i've had it paid off i'm not going to be paying that interest that's stupid but i i'm going to be paying that off well you better man because this yeah literally if you don't make that payment 900 two weeks yeah two weeks 900 two weeks if i don't do that then i start taking on interest dude it's an aggressive interest and it's $125 a week.

26:59Yep. $121. But it's just crazy, man. But you still took this out and you took on the risk. So I am glad that you're close to paying it off. And if everything goes well, we should be doing that. But you still took this out. Yes. I had to get a set of tires. I had to get tires from my truck. I know, but even a credit card would have been better because what you put on yourself is if some job for some reason just dried it up for a couple weeks you would have been with a 200 interest and i never looked at it that way because my mindset was i'll have it paid off by the hundred of course that's how they get you and you're actually potentially most likely i'm going to say actually win this but you have put an immense risk over your head with this and i okay yeah i probably should look at it that way well that just makes me a little more afraid for the future all right guys i get it you need more financial audit.

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28:41We play games, we mess around and we chat with you. I have a pair of salmon shorts on that desk where I did a change in two right after this. So you dress like you're smoking a** for the first time when you go on a date? Yeah. Then there's always extra bonus things like, for example, an office tour. The team grew. We have to eat out of here now. So this was going to be the fun area. Now it's not. We upload hours and hours and hours of extra content just for you. And it helps support the growth of this channel and the growth of this business. Join the membership. link in the description below just you can't get into things like this man this again if we're talking about keeping your business surviving these are things if we start going down these uh paths that will your business man they'll you i got nothing to say on it i mean it it's i feel like that one's under control so far and i think it still will be but again take those out how many more times when's the time it's not under control when's the time something happens when's the time you you get injured or there's like an infestation at the shop or something and then businesses can't be done life happens things change life is crazy man medical emergency in the family and you have to travel you never know you never know harbor freight i love my tools yeah tools tools tools and more tools are you working to get tools are you getting tools to do work because it feels like the first a little bit of both yeah it's always in that industry man people are just more almost more obsessed with the tools than the work they they i do see that i do like my tools i try not to fun but it is i try not to go overboard and get like fifty thousand dollars in debt on tools but let's just have the business running and humming and taxes paid like i said i have to have tools to keep the business running yeah but come on every single tool you think that was the exact tool version model everything brand that you needed to get and there was nothing cheaper in the entire world if you're being realistic what you mean nothing cheaper i went to harbor freight it is cheaper it's the cheapest well you're going to snap on and get a set of wrenches for 500 i was gonna say but you have done the truck i have yes because they do have some better tools uh-huh i get better tools on snap but you've got a lot of every tool but confirm with me confirm with me right now 100 every single tool that you've gotten And every single tool is 100 % necessary.

31:13Yes. Okay. Yes. Listen, I'm not there. I don't see it. But we've had people just like you on this show. And that has never been the case. I'm going to take your word for it. I buy the tools as I need them. If I need that tool and it stops the job for today, I go that night, pick up the tool, and then come back and finish the job. Okay. I'm going to take your word for it. Because I'm just not there. There's no provable. but I mean tools are a requirement for the business you gotta have it but again most people get tools they don't need or more expensive than they need I'm not some people, I'm me and I get the tools that I need yeah you have three credit one cards and you take out 200 % interest rate loans so that's the person I trust with financial decisions yeah that is you you're right, other people do not do those things welcome to the show $69 purchases Also, reminder, you're saying you don't purchase on credit cards.

32:09Interest rate,$33.16. Minimum fee payment,$46. So why are we purchasing on a card that we can't pay off? I mean, I do pay on it. You don't pay off. I don't pay off, no, because I keep reusing it. Yes, my question was why. That was literally what I just said, and I asked why. Why do you do this thing? Oh, because I do this thing. What? I buy the tools so I can use them and then I pay them off as I go. If I buy a$100 tool. But why on a credit card that you cannot pay off that is accruing interest instead of your cash flowing like$15 ,000 a month? You can get a tool. So I try to buy with cash a lot of times, but like a toolbox.

32:54I'm not wanting to drop all that money at once. I'd rather just put on the credit card and pay it off. Yeah, but you're accruing at 30 % interest. So you're not getting the return even closer to your thinking by delaying it. Not even closer. You're losing 30%. I'm getting it to get a return. I'm not investing in it. Then what's the point? Pay it off at once then. If you're spreading it out, you're doing it to try to leverage some kind of return. That's why you would do it. It's not a return. It's a not dropping$1 ,000 on a toolbox at once. It's$250 a week or however I want to divide it up. Why not drop it off all at once?

33:24Maybe I don't have it. Okay. Well, that is different. I don't have the extra$1 ,000 to spend on it. Then again, you're not budgeting. you must not be budgeting in that case well we already know you're not but because you're not budgeting we know your business expenses are relatively low compared to your margins are good so you should be able to do that but you're doing stupid spending which is why you can't afford to do it in cash so you have to put it on a credit card so maybe we'll look at it that way i look at it as i needed a tool i put on the credit card and sometimes maybe i'll pay it off why are you here please for sake why are you sitting at this table why why not i mean i'm here i'm here to talk about the finances and go over my stuff right with what end goal to be debt free and have a successful business you're not listening to anything or the complicated airflow might be getting its way into your ear but you're not processing it you're a defensive little stone you're asking why why don't just spend a thousand dollars on a toolbox why do i put it on a credit card yes because i don't have a thousand dollars to spend on the toolbox at the time i get that and we just defined why because you don't budget even though your margins are good so i know that what else is there to explain no but you also said sometimes you just don't want to pay it all up front that was another reason you gave yes and because of that i want to know why then if you have the a thousand dollars then why would it make sense to lose 30 on it i don't know because i'd rather just keep the money in my pocket the harbor freight card is for harbor freight and i can use that thousand dollars elsewhere for maybe bills or gas or whatever i can't spend the the harbor freight credit card on gas but i can spend my thousand dollars harbor freight credit card destroy it burn it i don't care you don't know how to use credit cards you can only use a charge card people like you like a fizz card you guys you can't use a credit card you're not a credit person you can be someday after you prove it but you're not so don't give a shit about a harbor freight card or where you spend the money but either way the cash you're keeping in your pocket it's not gaining any value it's losing about three percent a year in inflation this is losing 10 times that by being on here so at no point does it matter so what's the point of a credit card if if i'm going to put a thousand dollars on a credit card good question and it's true i don't sometimes you get zero percent financing that's fun throw the money in the marketplace you get a better return on investment so they do do that on purchases over 599 dollars which was not this purchase and sometimes we have five percent cash back and there it is five percent cash back remind me what's the interest rate on this card 30 okay what's bigger obviously so okay there's no point but you just answered it i i don't know where we're getting at on it because what really you didn't understand that No, you asked what's the point of it, to have the card, to buy the tools.

36:14That's the point of it, period. But you just asked the benefit of the credit card, and we just determined for you there is not. No, I asked what was the benefit between a credit card, not this credit card. But, yeah, the same exact thing, cashbacks, 0 % financing. But it doesn't matter with the way you're using it because you're just allowing the interest to accrue. So whatever cashback you're getting is completely negated by many times. so i mean i pay more than what the minimum is you pay a little more than and then which is great but if i go in there on it but you spend on it if i go in there and spend 50 dollars i'll immediately make a 50 payment sometimes to wear sometimes sometimes yeah there it is it slipped out so you all know how seeing guests on the show spending their hard earned money on taquitos and overpriced takeout makes me feel so you shouldn't be doing it either but i get it you don't always have time to cook or feel like typical meal prepping can lack variety.

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38:31If our balance is sitting over a thousand, then we should just be putting the money towards it regardless whether or not we're purchasing. You're just making it slower to pay off and you're losing 30 % a year on that 1 ,200. That's 30 % a year. That could be money in your pocket. That could be money in your business. That could be scaling your business. That could be hiring another employee to take on more business because it sounds like your business is taking on a lot of work. An employee could bring in more revenue. But instead, new tool on card. pay it off slower 30 gone all right so next you're a little aren't you so am i it's okay ebay ebay what are we doing on ebay my dude what are you well you're purchasing new old no no you're not sorry that was fees fees why were the fees basic card fees or oh well i don't know i've never had an ebay let's see I use that to buy parts for a Mercedes, new old stock parts that aren't available anymore.

39:32And I also get eBay money back. It just has fees. Payment security? Hold on. Is that to secure the purchase if it's not delivered? Or is this like a security thing for the card itself? They're baked in fees essentially? Because either way, you've had that hit basically every single month. That's like a monthly, you have an immediate$8.79 thing because that's happened. $86.66 this year so far on this card. $86 in the fees? This year, which means you're essentially getting that 877 every month. So even if it was 0%, you're still getting$8.79 hit every month. And yes, again, you did pay more than minimum.

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40:16But the fees, this credit card is not making more sense. Plus, again, it's accruing$15.19 of interest. So you have to put extra money towards it or you're making no progress. You're not getting any benefit from this card. I get eBay cash to buy more stuff on eBay. Is it more than 30 % interest? Is it more than the extra fees added? That I don't know off the top of my head. No, is the answer or else they wouldn't be in business as a credit card. That makes sense. Oh my. Okay. All right. All right. Just imagine, man, investing this money back in your business, scaling it, investing this money in like the s &p 500 in like a muumuu brokerage or anything like that i don't know letting that grow do you not have any retirement no that's scary as well because one thing i'm really focusing on personally myself businesses they can go they can go up quickly like yours and mine have done wonderful we're very blessed it's incredible thanks to all you love you guys like seriously but um it can also go in a moment so you need to make sure you're just setting yourself up for success as well.

41:21So like investing or like investing? Yeah. I haven't looked into any of that. I don't know how to, we might talk about that. We might talk about that. Maybe we'll set you up with a financial advisor at domain money. One of our partners. Well, we'll figure that out. Okay. $30 minimum payment. Balance$538 and 47 cents. Again, fees and interest. But again, I am glad no purchases, but it's sitting at 29.24 % interest rate. You should probably just get that paid off. You've spent$1 ,351.23 on this card this year. You've lost$73 in interest. Sorry, no,$88.53 in interest and$68.66 of fees on this card alone.

42:08That's one out of the many cards. $120. Okay. Discount Tire. lines up with all the other one tires for my trailer uh zero percent certainly can't pay for things without getting the store card zero percent for

42:29what happens on this card what do you mean what happens on that card in the future oh if i reuse it i don't know what you're at what do you mean what happens Just keep paying your minimal monthly payments. What happens? Does it... Is it a 0 % for a certain amount of time? Well, they're always 0 % for a certain amount of time. Bloody. It takes 18 months to pay off with the way you're doing it. One month from next week, back interest, that is an accruing this entire time, will hit this card. okay so i didn't know that yeah yeah so they take the interest on the monthly balance and throw it all at once for the past however long it's been essentially yep in this case because luckily the balance isn't huge the deferred interest is 61 bucks and 38 cents but it is still money and that is just an example of what we're going through again you have so much more life to live imagine that happens on a much bigger balance and you just don't know should probably read the fine print or just know what credit card you're getting I thought I was getting a 0 % on whatever that was I didn't know it was for I guess 6 months is what I'm going to assume so$362.32 minimum payment 30 but we did have to pay this need to do all of it

44:10175, right? Like twice now? You said it's in a month. Oh, it's in a month. You're right. We have to do the entire thing. Get it all. Okay. So that's going to be a big attack immediately out of the gate. Plus, we've had$30 of fees this year so far. Have you had a late payment or is that like the opening fee? I think it's opening fee. I haven't had a late payment because I have auto pay set up on it. Okay. Here, credit one again. man so it's really card one's like almost as bad as you can get when i learned that after i opened them out up uh why are we opening credit cards can't let's go through that let's go back then what were we doing why were we just opening credit cards so during the time that i opened them i didn't have the the cash or cash flow and i would open them to be able to just pay anything whether it's fuel or bills or whatever it was to so i can just get a little bit extra money to be able to get through that tough time because i couldn't make the money magically show up but i was able to get what were you doing for work you said you're on this was during the uh uh last year whenever i had kind of start so january of last year is whenever i left working entirely why because i wanted to do my own business why didn't you leave it when you're ready to start because i was ready to start but you didn't start until mid-year i bought the shop in august but you were working before then it was was like going to people's places i had i would do small jobs mobile jobs and i'd bought a ton of mercedes parts used parts and everything that are valuable and i would resell them and make money that way and during that time was whenever i'd open up the credit cards because at some point i didn't have some of the extra money and i had to get by because i didn't actually have an income at all or shop to make the money too so from january to august i is doing mobile work and we just need to kill these man which again just where the way we're managing our money and the way we spend we haven't gotten to your spending yet but the way we spend this is absolutely ridiculous when it comes to still having these cards that is accruing interest on a monthly basis so again 279 dollars and eight cents on here probably like a 30 interest rate yep then another credit one this was this balance is much bigger 54 dollar minimum payment and a $1 ,064.41 balance.

46:28I don't think I've used that one though, have I? No, you didn't currently spend on this one. But there is$26 ,032 of interest accruing. There's also been a ton of fees and a ton of interest this year. So the minimum payment, yeah. I think I've paid more than the minimum payment right now, right? Yes, but, and that gets me to another confusing thing. We may as well talk about this. no one has no debt payoff strategy is what you're doing no one advocates from it from at least anywhere that i've what strategy you're putting a little extra towards everything a little extra but that doesn't get you anywhere quick oh it gets you there quicker than just paying minimum monthly payments and anything yes but it doesn't get you there quicker than focusing on one debt so now take all the extra from others and put it all into one and make minimum on others.

47:18Exactly. Until that one's paid and then take that extra to another one. You said you watched the show. I'm not going to bully you for that because I want to teach you. But. Okay. You said you were out there. Yes. Okay. I've learned a little. Take it all. And what I'd recommend for you just for the discipline side is probably just throw us your smallest debt and just keep doing that every single smallest debt. Would it be better to do it to the biggest debt since it's going to accrue more interest? and then there's the avalanche method which is throw it at the highest interest rate debt highest interest rate yep what about mathematically that one still works more it doesn't make sense to just attack the largest balance one because the largest balance one might have a really low interest rate then you're absolutely trying to hammer that one down well a small small one with the high interest rate is just sitting there so we either want to focus on the highest interest rate or the smallest balance whichever one is costing me more a month well no to an extent no So the highest interest rate, that's the avalanche, that mathematically technically does get you there a little quicker.

48:15It's not dramatic. But more people find success with the snowball because you see more progress being made because you can knock out a small bounce quicker. And that's a psychological win. So even though it might take a month longer, you have a higher chance of completion. That makes sense. Okay. Prosper. Why are we not prospering with this? That one was just another credit card I opened for the same reason I opened the credit once. I've used it quite a bit more, and I don't think I've used it lately, but same situation as all the other credit cards. Paid a little bit extra. But the credit cards are kind of all in the same boat, if I'm being honest.

48:55Okay. Open them about the same time for the same reason and in the same boat as I am today for all of them. All of them purchases, barely any credit available, only a little more than the minimum the payments put towards it. Minimum monthly now is$41 and it's currently sitting at $1 ,136.88. Seven years to pay off doing the minimum or doing the payment you did last time. It still takes three years to pay off. That's a 31.24 % interest rate. Yeah. That's your worst except for the 200 % but we're going to take care of that. $222. Now mind you, we have to take care of that$900 in two weeks but we also need to take care of that$362 in four weeks.

49:41So now it's starting to stack up before any punishments hit, and that's where life happens, and that's why it's risky to take out because you didn't even know you had that back interest on that other card, and now we have two things we have to pay off instantly, which takes more money away from other things, and you accrued almost$500 in interest this year so far on them. CJC Off-Road, what is this? Front-end parts from a truck. Okay, you owe$2 ,028.70. Yes. I can't tell what the minimum monthly payment is because you've made various amounts of payments. It's$130, if I'm not mistaken. Okay. Interest on this?

50:24I think it's about$30. 30%. Good. So we get a throw in 2003. a 2013 Ram 2500 3500 track bar and other items and other items ball joints and a lot of other parts that I need got to keep the truck on the road so I can keep the business going I'm not against it everyone's got to repair their vehicle I'm not against it I'm just against the 30 % interest rate loan on it when you have okay cash flow Seat Geek do we need this to keep the truck on the road no but i don't work to live i live to work or i don't live to work i work to live yeah and i wanted to go see slip but you're doing neither of those right now i am living right there but you haven't paid for it yet well i just got them yeah but you haven't paid for it yet well no the living that we're doing that i want you to do from the successful business is paid for.

51:31Your working to live is literally true because you are working to pay for your past living. You are literally forced to pay for something that's already been purchased because you finance everything in the world. Yeah. This is what everyone gets to do. This is what everyone gets to do when you do it successfully. You know, I'm still not just an absolute blower of money. But one thing that's really exciting is I got to buy a friend a ticket to go to a football game in a few weeks. Texas versus Georgia. It's going to be like the biggest game in the regular season this year. Number one, number two.

52:12That's exciting. I get to do it because I've budgeted. I've made money make sense in life. and I'm not financing it in a way where I need to keep the business going in order to pay for a past event. So the idea on this was I, they were coming up in about a month and I wanted to get the tickets for myself and three of my friends to go see them. Cause we didn't know when to pay for them or did they pay back? I paid for them. Did they pay back? No, I didn't ask them to. That was not part of the deal. I paid for their tickets. It's not like we have a 200 % interest rate loans are sitting there oh that's different but on this one kind of not well it's not for tickets not for tickets but it's sitting there and the ticket money could have paid it off could have but it's the point that's what i just said but then we couldn't go see slipknot yeah no i think slipknot's desperate to continue to perform forever not really they're selling out shows still and they're still extremely popular so i don't think they're desperate for much okay not desperate but they've been performing forever so i think you could see them in a some other time maybe or maybe not or also maybe you didn't have to pay for the three friends I wanted to.

53:14They're three of my best friends. I know you wanted to. That's why you fucking did it. Yeah. So I'm saying maybe you didn't have to. Maybe I didn't have to, but then they probably couldn't go. And I wanted them to go with me. And it was a good way to do it. You know, a good way to do it. This is what I've done. If there's other events that other people can afford, I say, what can you put towards it? And they put what they can put towards it. And then I'm cover the rest. Well, I got that. But I try not to do that if it's something that I want to give them. It was a surprise. It was a gift. And I was going to ask them.

53:39I'm not against the heart. I think you're confusing this conversation. I'm not against certain things you're doing in the business, not against keeping your truck on the road. I'm not against doing this and doing a gift thing for the friends. I'm not against any of that. I am against how you are doing it. And when you are doing it, this does not make sense right now. You have back interest accruing on a card. You have a 200 % payday loan, essentially, that's going to hit if you don't pay it off in a couple weeks you have all these ticking time bombs you don't have a single penny saved for taxes of which is likely going to be in the tens and tens of thousands of dollars that you do not have saved but you think that now is the time to splurge on slipknot it's just not i'm not against that as a concept i'm against you doing it now in this way you didn't even pay for it you financed it i did i figured i could make the monthly payments comfortably and be fine comfortably you just said you have no money left over well i make the money i'll find a way to make the money i work harder make more money instead of you're gonna have to make a lot more money because again we found two ticking time bombs okay i'll make more money then i hope so yeah that's the there is a certain point where you can only get pushed too far i don't know what that point is you haven't found it yet no you haven't found it and that's that's okay and i don't necessarily want you to find it that's living to work the thing you don't want but you're pushing yourself to be forced to do it okay one thousand concert was cool though good one thousand four hundred ninety three dollars and one hundred thirty five dollars and seventy seven cents okay that's the minimum monthly interest about the same thirty percent i think i think that's i if i'm being honest i don't know off top of my head.

55:29It may not be 30%. I don't know if I'm being, I don't know the amount. I'm going to slip a knot around my neck after hearing that. I could find it out if you want me to, but I don't know it. It's fine. It's not, but I'm not going to spend time on that. I'm just estimating about 30 because the payoff there is if I do the minimum multi-payments, but if I go to pay it off today, it saves me on the interest and it's a little bit less than what's shown on the schedule there. It's like$200 less, if I'm being honest. So whatever that interest is. Oh my, we're affirming Walmart? Oh, yeah, that was a...

56:09Stop! I wanted a new TV. Yeah, you want a lot. You know what adults do? They don't do exactly what they want all the time. That's just called being a grown... Miserable? Okay, then you're not going to exist in this world. You're not going to make it. Your business is going to close. Everything's going to go to because that's what people that just live wants above all else happens. You say, have you watched the show? You said yes. If you watch the last two and a half years of the show, you'd know that people that put their wants at the top lose it. Here's the thing. I will work for my wants. I will work to make sure that we don't know where that point goes.

56:47And you don't know how long your business survive. Don't know. But I'm still going to get there. I'm going to do what I have to do. Your little knees hurt from hiking. that could happen to a more extreme situation tomorrow and then you can't bend over to fix a car okay it could but still i'm going to do everything in my power to make sure everything everything in your power i don't give a shit about everything in your power i could say i could do everything in my power that doesn't matter what happens is in the real what happens in the real world is something happens and then you can't regardless if everything in your power was attempted i don't care if you put in the effort i only care about the end result and if you get that sucks that ruins everything ifs if if i get or if i do good if i work hard enough to get to that point what's the difference if i could die tomorrow i could walk outside and die now or i could walk out and change everything and everything would be perfect if is a big word based on what we're saying yes please do that'll change your life but can't live life off of ifs No, it's not living off of the ifs.

57:50It is living off of risk mitigation. It is preventing yourself. You are, I have a business emergency fund so that if revenue drives up for a couple months for some reason, you know, algo changes, who knows? We can survive. My employees can get paid. It is risk mitigation. You are allowing yourself if anything bad happens, your business is gone. Your employee is. It's not about living on ifs. It's risk mitigation. I want to give you free money right now. I've partnered with different resources that will literally give you hundreds of dollars the moment you sign up for them. Check out my investing app of choice, Moo Moo, where they give you up to 15 free stocks and 8.1 % interest on your uninvested cash when you sign up with my link.

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59:38What way seems to work the most amount of time? I'd go that way, personally. Walmart card,$988. Sorry, on a firm, and 99 cents. Minimum monthly payment,$90.01. What's the interest rate? Probably 30. About great for TV and a sound bar. So imagine you walk in, you get the TV and the sound bar, and there's a 30 % tax on it, on top of the normal 8.5 % tax. That's what you're paying. If I do the minimum monthly payment. Which is what you do. Sometimes. If, like I said, if. Every time I'm here. It's only been, what, two payments? Three. Okay. Oh, my f***. This continues. Thoroughbred performance? Turbo for the truck.

1:00:21Turbo went out. Okay. Do you need turbo? It's a diesel. It requires a turbo. Yes. Gotcha. Not a diesel man, personally. Understandable. I prefer the more convenience of never having to stop at a gas station. I wish I could do that. Yeah. Everyone will get there once they realize how fun it is to drive. Oh, I think they're cool. I'm assuming you're talking about EVs. Yeah. I love them personally. I think the Cybertruck's awesome. But it's not hauling. Dude, it's so much fun to drive. It's not hauling the stuff that I haul, though. That's the big issue. Is it not? Doesn't it have like. I have a three-car trailer that weighs 30 ,000 pounds.

1:00:56Okay. I wouldn't know. Tesla ain't doing that. Okay. So that's where diesel comes in. Maybe in the future, but not today. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not in the hole in game. Can't speak on it. But the Tesla semis look pretty cool. Instead of sitting behind a semi trying to get to 60 miles per hour for like 10 years. Look at the Edison semi. Generated a diesel generator powering electric batteries. Interesting. Being done in Canada. And it actually out towed the Tesla semi by 65 ,000 pounds. That's wild. And it gets better fuel mileage. And it can run red diesel. which is tax exempt flavored better it's tax exempt okay so because it's a generator it's not an engine that's cool though so that's just a little piece of information no that's fine i love it i'm i'm all into that um okay so we're sitting at 1098 dollars 36 cents on here 30 percent of course 238 dollar 52 cent minimum payment yes one of the months of the four you paid extra paid extra when i had the payments are stacking and now i'm starting to understand why do i have money left over and you have to put things because you've only ever gone into debt ever yes what am i looking at i mean this is a credit report what is this collection collection you have collections i think i have two i have one small one that i have this small one 711 that's a small one oh i don't remember what it was for because it just says complete credit solution so it's that's who it was sold to yeah i don't remember who was it it was two you don't remember no it was a while back but it's only been on your collections for like a year five months as far as i can see i'm not too sure but i have well how things are going to collections anyway man that was yeah bad decision making and it's what was the decision making not making the payments why i didn't have the money at the time so why don't you work a job in between my thought process is i don't want to work for ten dollars an hour when i can try to find a job that works better so instead of me jumping over i get the philosophy but you just didn't pay your bills and i went into collection so obviously that failed i never had i never not had a job for more than a month i've since the day i graduated high school i've been working and i I think a month has been the longest I've ever went without a job.

1:03:23Well, it wouldn't have gone into collections. I'm missing a month. I don't know what the reasoning was. I didn't make the payments. It went into collections. Well, the fact that you don't know what the payments. If I knew what it was originally for, I could probably elaborate on it more. But I don't remember what that collection was for. Would it not knowing why you stopped making the payments make you a little more afraid for the future? Oh, it sucks. I agree. but i mean if i don't know that is a whole different scenario than now now i am making my payments i'm making my even though it's a minimal monthly payment i'm still making the payment not letting it go to collections what does stanford group and associates that one what's the amount oh this is also that's the big one three thousand six hundred fourteen what was this for uh i also don't remember oh come on man that's a huge balance you don't remember i don't i really don't uh it may have been a at &t account way back when that just recently went to it because i shut down my at &t card or not card now i'm not surprised you're taking out predatory loans to get it your credit must be it wasn't the best for a while it's gotten better what's better i screwed it up in the marines what's better where are you at a 675 it's not good but it ain't did you go overseas?

1:04:43no never got to where are you stationed? Cherry Point, North Carolina how's North Carolina? that's what I'd say too Harley Davidson oh so we're treating ourselves as well yeah I like my toys I like my cars, my trucks, my bikes so like I said work to live yeah but you're you're really living that yeah literally yeah like again you're literally just working to pay off your past things that you spent on fun you're being forced to work you're not working for your future living well most people have automotive loans you want to be most people oh no because that's how you said it that we started have loans and because it's common it's okay not not that it's okay but it's not bad either yes it is not really yes it is what do you mean it's a 72 month loan are you stupid that's bad okay it's bad but it's a common thing to have okay so it's good because it's a common thing to have so ground so what's the point of even saying that saying that what it's a common thing to have like that excuses it because i feel like it's a common thing it's everyone has auto what's the point of saying It's not a credit card.

1:06:02It's an automotive loan for a vehicle. A toy. This one specifically. I'd appreciate an asset. Yeah. And that's good. What? Because everyone has it, just like everyone has a credit card. You know, credit card balance. Because people, most everyone doesn't have an emergency fund. Most everyone doesn't have a proper retirement fund. Those are all okay because most people have it. I'm not saying it that way. Are you going to really make me say the bridge thing? Oh, please don't. Because you know that's exactly where you're going, though. let's have a little more fun if everyone is sticking out there does that mean it's okay for you to do so that sounds extreme it does that's the new version of boobing is it you do you know about it because i certainly don't it's what we do in austin got you that makes a lot more sense actually so i come in here all high energy uh it explains why yeah okay so again it doesn't make any sense just because other people because maybe that wasn't the best thing to say okay but But I'll retract that statement.

1:07:03Just because everyone has it doesn't mean it's okay for me to have it. You want to be better than everyone, right? Yes. Not better than everyone in terms of like I'm better than you, but in terms of just you want to be doing well. Yes. And getting that, does it show the interest rate? What's the balance on that one? 7 ,737 on this one? You don't want to know. Tell me. 27. May as well be a credit card then. made as well and when i bought that bike i thought i read the the fine print and the interest and i asked all the questions i was supposed to ask what's my payment and they told me it was supposed to be for three years 257 a month for three years that sounded great and then after everything has been done turns out it was for six years oh seven buddy seven 72 oh sorry sorry sorry sorry yeah that's definitely six i was reading months that's pretty okay so i was under the impression it was a loan for three years because that's what i asked them for and then how much is this worth if you could sell it today about four grand about 3 ,700 yeah 3 ,700 i'm gonna be like everyone else two rides on a motorcycle and I'm going to go kill myself.

1:08:22That'd be fun. Wouldn't have to pay the debt anymore. Bank of Missouri credit card? What? What? A Bank of Missouri credit card. I don't know. It said$217. I don't know anything of a Bank of Missouri unless it's named something else. Well, that's what the producer looked up. Either way, you have a credit card,$217. Okay. 40-hour minimum payment. payment probably 30 30 inches probably it seems to be a recurring number here addicted to the 30 percentage it just doesn't make sense you know when invested in the market in the stock market in general the best return you hope for is about eight to ten percent on a yearly basis you're losing triple that you are making them so much money you want your money to be working for you buddy you know when it comes to the working to live live into work thing the best third status to get to is just allowing your money to work instead of you so that you can live but you're doing the literal opposite i i would like to work to get there i don't know how to make my money work for me because all i've ever done is work for the money we'll talk about that we need to talk about that um does that say what it's to no oh that was another one oh oh um no we go to the next one hold on what is this oh me so this is a separate one what am i seeing here what is this milestone maybe m stone milestone credit card oh my gosh yeah there is a milestone credit card yeah this is so crazy a lot of credit cards this is two days in a row by the way and i know the videos come out at different times but you're just like breaking records and i didn't i don't know what's happening or is there something going around this is insane what's the minimum payment for that off the top of my head i don't know i do about 50 though i'll say 50 yeah okay care credit card we have a care card oh okay 362 dollars 30 minimum monthly probably 30 percent please don't spend on it i can't see what is this 3 719 for what luckily it's about to fall off credit I'm not sure what does it say I'm not even going to put that one because that's going to fall off soon but gee for f*** sake by the time we're done with this a lot of this is probably previously accrued from so is this one my gosh snap snap on snap on $3 ,000 there no that one was$1 ,100 or wait no$3 ,030 but you don't know your number cons if you read right there it says cons cons that's not this one snap on credit right there one second okay so cons is 3 ,130 yeah the cons is 3 the snap on I've never had one at that high this is what happens when you cannot provide statements we have to screenshot your credit report and try to make it try to make it readable okay and then i mean all these they're like almost seven years so most of those are done back in the military okay and i've i haven't paid on them because why didn't you give us the discover card of 832 dollars that i that is actually not mine that's my grandfather's he put me on back way back that means you're on it though i don't pay it that but if he he put me on to help me build credit if he has a classic grandpa moment and no longer lives oh he he has it covered okay i can promise you he's got it because he uses every single month he pays it off at the end of every single month then it's just reporting about yes that's all another harley davis is that my new one that's my new road i want to oh yeah i'm gonna burn this place to the ground no it's outside too i wrote it here so i'm at least using it it's about a brand new roguelide that i bought two months ago okay it's not 27 interest and what's the interest rate on this that one is at 12 okay let's go see what 30 000 to 12 looks like okay show me take me on a little tour of yeah let's go uh so what's the point of going into this because i guess it doesn't matter you're gonna die well that's all the end goal right

1:12:59bike Harley

1:13:04you know this is the first time I can say this in terms of the tours that we do but I think it's pretty well I appreciate it I don't I literally know nothing about bikes so I have no idea I understand why you don't at least wear it I probably should I mean got a nice 12.1 inch touchscreen of navigation that's good I mean you're obnoxious every time you drive but I am not to everyone else no I'm not too loud I can promise you that I am not you're not loud no

1:13:46I like that I hate the loud obnoxious did you recognize how you recognize how you had a yowt okay people are trying to just exist and then you know why cities are loud because vehicles not because of people you can be in very populated cities and the factories and they can be and they can be really and the factories that build tesla what and all the factories that build tesla have you been to the tesla factory how loud it is it's not just a vehicle is that in the middle of the city well no it's in his own city that he built what are you talking about i'm saying the only i'm saying factories in general cool they're not in the middle of a city A lot of factories are.

1:14:18Some factories are. This is what I'm saying. People are always like cities are loud. Cities are not loud. The cars in the cities are loud. Only American. No, not people. Buddy, I'm getting a house in a very walkable, very nice area, very busy area. There's almost no cars. A ton of people. It's quiet. It's peaceful. You can hear the birds. You go downtown, it's loud because people are driving their Harleys through it. Well, everyone's just trying to exist. You make places unlivable. Thank you. You should hear my truck. No, thanks. Why do you get this if you already have the other one that's underwater at 30 %?

1:14:53So my stepdad has been paying on the other one. He's been making the monthly payment. Does he have it? Which is why I bought the other one. And then shortly after I bought the other one, he says he doesn't want to make the payment anymore. Well, I'll cross that out. so I bought that one thinking that that other one has been covered and now it is not I'm currently in the process of finding someone to take over the payment of the other one to mitigate that issue who's going to take it over why would anyone want to take it over they would want to sell it at the value of the car buy it at the value of the car some people will 4 ,000 hours some people yes there are stupids out there$655 minimum payment I don't even want to continue this so stupid yeah you know the answer to this it's to sell it no okay then why would i why would i buy it just to sell it no offense but that's the end of this episode then why it's like the most basic thing basic sacrifice if you're not willing to sell a vehicle that is not your primary transportation device there is no point of us having this conversation not willing to sacrifice there is nothing there's not willing to sacrifice i'm willing to make the payments no that's so dumb why would I want to sell something that I just bought.

1:16:10Because it was stupid. It's a minimum monthly payment that is$655. It is at 12 % interest. So nothing you're doing is beating that. Not beating what? The 12 % interest? Yes. What do you mean nothing I'm doing? You're not getting a better return on your value in your money. Well, no, of course not. You don't whenever you buy something new. You take that risk whenever you buy it. There's plenty of new things that you can buy. Real estate. Not motorcycles. You're right. Which is why I'm saying get rid of it. But why? Why don't I just make more money to be able to get it? That's what I would have supported.

1:16:44Make more money buying in cash. That's what I would have supported. That would have been great. You're not willing to do this. We didn't even get to the spending. Guys, I'm sorry. That's it. If you're not willing to change, it is not worth our time. No, it's not that. I don't want to get rid of one thing. This is not worth our time. I don't want to get rid of one thing. This is not worth my time. You're going to fit over me, not want to get rid of a Harley? Really? This is me. I'm not going to waste my time. I'm not going to waste their time. You're not wasting time. I'm wasting time if you're not willing to sacrifice anything in this conversation.

1:17:11So I'm done. This conversation is done. We can film the post show for the members, but this conversation is done. The episode is done. I'm not kidding. There's no point. I don't get it. I really don't. I don't give a fuck. If I try to sell it, it's brand new. It's going to depreciate. Mute us, Mike. Mute us, Mike, please. I don't give a fuck. Mute us, Mike. I don't care. I don't care. Hammer financial score. Fuck you. we'll do the post show we're going to do that because we have to do it for the members and thank you for the members being here but I'm not going to go through this this is as stupid as f*** if you're not willing to make a sacrifice make sure to check out the budgeting and investing class it's 15 % off link in the description below your mic's muted, it doesn't matter, it's done I'm not talking to them, I'm talking to you

1:17:57I'm pretty bummed out we didn't get to the spending in that because there was some crazy there were two cars we didn't calculate as well didn't he so we're probably pretty close to 100k my life yep okay the debt ended up stacking up to 66 653.57 he quoted at like 120 000 i'll kill my life yes we can go through the spending now to watch the financial audit post show click the join button below

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