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5 Jun 2024 · 1 h 23 min

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Podcast Summary: Financial Audit - Episode: Incel Loser Forcefully Cucked By Wife

Podcast Overview

  • Title: Financial Audit
  • Description: Personal finance education and entertainment, focusing on budgeting, investing, and debt management.
  • Episode Title: Incel Loser Forcefully Cucked By Wife
  • Episode Description: A discussion revolving around financial habits, debt management, and the impact of personal relationships on financial decisions.

Guest Introduction

  • Name: Casey
  • Location: Beaver, Oklahoma
  • Occupation: Works at a local grocery store and does DoorDash and Walmart Spark deliveries.

Financial Status Overview

  • Primary Income:
  • Grocery Store: $20.75/hour
  • Side Hustles (DoorDash & Walmart): $400 - $600/week (average $500)
  • Household Income: Approximately $41,000/year (includes side hustles and father's social security contributions).

Key Financial Issues Discussed Debt and Spending Habits

  • General Debt Analysis:
  • Guest has significant credit card debt and loans totaling approximately $113,159, with various high-interest rates.
  • Notable debts include maxed-out credit cards, personal loans, and a mortgage.

Personal Relationships Impacting Finances

  • Ex-Spouse Influence:
  • Casey discusses a previous relationship where financial control was an issue; his ex-partner often manipulated him into spending money, contributing to his current debt situation.

Spending Patterns

  • Lack of Budgeting:
  • Casey admits to not tracking his non-debt expenses, leading to overspending and reliance on credit.
  • Unnecessary Expenses:
  • Frequent purchases of convenience items (e.g., fast food) that contribute to financial strain.

Financial Education and Tools Assessments and Recommendations

  • Financial Assessment:
  • Casey rates his financial literacy and management as a "double zero," indicating a lack of understanding and discipline in handling finances.
  • Budgeting Class:
  • Emphasis on the importance of creating a budget to track expenses and manage debt effectively.

Tools and Resources Offered

  • Coaching and Courses:
  • Availability of one-on-one coaching and structured budgeting classes to help individuals like Casey improve their financial literacy and management skills.

Future Strategies and Suggestions

  • Debt Reduction Strategies:
  • Suggested to focus on paying off smaller debts first to reduce minimum monthly payments and alleviate financial pressure.
  • Consideration of selling assets, including unused cars, to reduce debt.
  • Career Options:
  • Discussion about potential job opportunities in nearby cities to increase income.
  • Therapy Consideration:
  • Acknowledgment of mental health aspects affecting financial decisions; recommendation to pursue therapy for emotional and psychological support.

Closing Remarks

  • Action Plan:
  • Casey is encouraged to take immediate steps to address his financial situation, including selling unnecessary items and pursuing better budgeting practices.
  • Support Available:
  • The podcast offers resources, including links to budgeting programs and coaching services, to support listeners in their financial journeys.

Key Takeaways

  • Importance of Financial Literacy: Understanding personal finance and budgeting is crucial to avoid falling into debt.
  • Impact of Relationships on Finances: Personal relationships can significantly influence financial decision-making and spending habits.
  • Actionable Steps: Immediate actions can lead to long-term financial stability; small changes can have significant impacts.

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0:28Get your mother-loving ears on watch episodes of financial audit a week earlier check us out on youtube i'm casey 27 based out of beaver oklahoma this is financial audit beaver oklahoma that's an interesting town name um cool thanks for coming down what do you do for a living in beaver i work at the local grocery store and then doing what uh unloading early morning trucks doing wholesale deliveries to other businesses cool what are we making in that position 20 75 an hour 20 75 okay 20 and 75 cents Gotcha how many hours a week are we working that 40 sometimes 42 to 43 So I think it's 41 ,000 something like that 43 ,000 a year And then Is that total household Income for the house Are you married Because I also do DoorDash and Spark on the side I go to another town for that Is it a single income household though Kind of my dad lives there right now And he's on social security He pays like utilities huh interesting i don't okay keep up with him and then how with who i don't really keep up with his finances oh with his finances okay okay we'll keep up with him yeah okay i was gonna say you live together well i don't hang out with him i don't talk to him like at all with your dad that you live with correct not a great relationship long story short why is he with you because he can't afford to survive that we'll get to that we'll get to that we'll get to that it's part of the story of how I ended up here.

1:57Oh, great. Okay. So, and then the income for the other sources. So I'm looking at the income that came in. Yeah. We had deposits of 3 ,895. Some of that stuff is contract stuff though. Are you setting aside proper taxes from, what were those other hustles you said you did altogether? It's a DoorDash and Walmart Spark. Okay. I'm assuming the Walmart Spark is also contract. Yes. It's 1099. And are you setting aside money for taxes? I have like 30 bucks coming out of my store paycheck every week going to the tax stuff and i also track my miles well that's good but what how much is coming in if we're only setting 30 30 dollars aside how much is coming in from those uh it's the floor is 400 and the ceiling is 600 a week like it just ranges between those two numbers what's what's normal for you 500 so you're setting six percent aside i guess so yes a week and you said you said 30 is that a week or per paycheck a week which is unpaid weekly so oh okay cool cool cool so total coming in again we had three thousand eight hundred ninety five but then you had a loan disbursement as well some leftover debt payoff that you pocketed i came in that was a pull from a credit line why'd you need to do that i don't honestly remember so it probably wasn't that much of a need well it was a month ago how do you not remember it was within the last month i don't you have to remember two thousand dollars you specifically chose to pull two thousand dollars uh two thousand oh that was something different i'm just looking at the 400 one that was oh yeah the envo lock distribution for 418 that is a net credit line of credit uh-huh you don't remember what i think it was to prevent me from being overdrawn okay so um fine give us a rundown where are we what are we looking at what are we looking at we got your income got your job what are we looking at in life right now where where's mr casey at i'm feeling stuck in a box just not making any progress i've just been winging it i don't keep track of much other than debt payments so i don't know how much i'm spending on anything else that doesn't make sense but if you're keeping track of debt payments does that encourage you to want to put more towards debt or what what part of debt payments are you keeping track of because well i want to know the answer to that first i just keep track of the minimums nothing else and why is that i that's just what i've been doing there's no real reason you have no desire to put extra towards it i do but i just haven't done it okay why haven't you done it because if there was any desire to do it that's where you start tracking your other expenses when we create a budget and obviously we're going to put you through our budgeting class which everyone should go through but it's in general you haven't taken that step out of laziness like a discipline immaturity lack of discipline and building the habit oh let's talk about let's talk about uh

4:55habits this pile of insanity by the age of 27 has required quite aggressive habits to get into my ex was very much a money pit always wanting money from me she was playing this whole i want to harm myself card at me all the time what okay well hold on that is a lot to do yeah it's that is a lot to hear oh okay um what do you mean card like are you sure she that's i don't know that's something i'd take very seriously obviously um what do you what do you mean because i don't know you bring up the pile of that you bring up the x and then this is like what what are we what are we talking about i would pick her up and give me a sec sorry is this fresh no it's just kind of repressed i think so i've kind of shut it out but i would get the stories of i want to kill myself all the time from her and spend money on me this and that and i kind of played into it for a while maxed out four or five cards at the time i got these two upstart loans to pay those cards off and then i ended up doing it all again that's what happens yeah through the same guilt situation would you say you built him back oh sorry so they she said i will end it if you do not spend money on me that was like the no it wasn't quite that she was saying that she just wanted to go buy stuff to feel better type stuff if that makes sense okay well obviously that's hardly a solution that's a cope right but she's not sitting you say x so when did this end we separated in april of 2022 like married we were really but it shouldn't have ever happened i only knew her for six months when we got married okay yeah just lovely decision making that okay well i mean i am not the one to judge you should in this case okay but so uh 2022 it ended yes and then i drug my feet on getting the divorce done that was finalized in november of that year did she get anything from it did you know i took everything that i bought her back though like the big purchases for why did you not sell it did you sell it all i have not yet the phone yes i traded that in actually it got me a new one and the car the car not yet what what yeah i know we're getting into some cars okay yeah before we jump in i just want a self-assessment give yourself a score zero to ten zero being the absolute where's ten being the absolute best where do you think you are in the world of finances uh double zero okay at least it's honest so i've done your score twice and it was zero both times you've taken the quiz yes if you want to take the quiz it's free it's in the description below thanks for that natural segue now let's segue into your debt capital one everyone everyone on the show loves to come into some kind of capital one this is capital one classic we have a balance of oh good$302.15 on a credit limit of$300 okay we can't blame this on our ex because it was two years ago that we separated but you're going to spend it on a card that's maxed out all the that makes sense you went and spent$55.85 after you only put$25 minimum monthly payment towards it and then had$6.86 of interest accruing why did we go spend why did we go spend on a card that's maxed out.

8:31We can't immediately blame the accident. The first thing I see is you spending and going over the credit limit. I thought I was going to have that paid off last month. I just didn't get to that point. You did the complete opposite. You did the complete opposite. You built it up. So why are we spending on a card? You have a checking account. I've seen it. Why are we spending on a card that we're maxing out? I just thought I was going to pay that card off and didn't get to that point. So what did you think you were going to do? What was this? What was this? I think I'm going to pay the credit card off.

8:59tell me about that what was that thought didn't keep track of my other expenses so you thought you would have the money left over have the money left over yes even if you think you're going to pay it off does it make sense to put more money towards it or does it make sense to put a higher balance on it it makes more sense to put money towards it yes no no i meant like well yes i mean that answered the question i just i phrased it wrong to begin with but okay by the way did you guys have any kids or anything we you have to do things to make kids that never happened okay well fair enough i asked it so i guess that is well problems okay we've had people on the show who've probably stuck it in too many times than they needed to you just went the opposite direction and not by my choice okay well let's talk about the purchase instead car wash oh good we can get we can over over max out a card through a car wash what a stone creek development that's the car wash so you had another car wash i think i did it twice on that card one was that a different car Oklahoma in the spring what were you washing off like the the snow i get and like the salt and the winter environments to avoid rust and stuff like that that's fine There's some actual reasons for maintenance purposes to do car washes.

10:28The f***er. You're twice in a month. Lots of bugs from the commute to the other town. Sand and dirt. I try to keep my car clean so when I show up with people's food, it doesn't look gross. But that's just my thought process behind it. Do they even see your car? Isn't everything just dropping off at the door? 99 times out of 100, yes. Then who cares also? I mean, have you seen that video of like... There's a... I'm not going to... Well, there was a video of a girl where her dog in the back took poo on someone's groceries that she was delivering. And even they accepted the groceries. I think you can have a little dust on your car.

11:03Then we went inside a convenience store and we just got some bulls**t taquitos. Again, we're maxing out a card for taquitos for a double car wash. I don't think we're doing that if we're a self-confessed double zero. No, shouldn't be, but here we are. But we are because you thought you were going to pay it off. I thought I was going to pay it off. but you weren't able to because you don't track any of your spending and finances anything once i'm okay no one okay okay okay i had a 30.48 interest rate of death you're obviously not a credit card person if you're going to use a card use the fizz card my man there's nothing else at least you can use that and not destroy your life and it still builds your credit this is crazy destiny not the streamer the credit card apparently never heard of this one This is a new one.

11:55Yeah, there's another one under the same company. It's a fee. Monthly fee. They charge a monthly fee and I genuinely don't... But just close the f*** out. Just close it. Can I close it while there's a balance on it? Yes, just close it. Well, most of the time. Didn't know that. Close it. Will do. You've learned. They might push back, but just f***ing close it. I don't know if you guys knew this about me or not, but I love buying real estate. It's a great investment and there is something about it that I just can't seem to get enough of. Now, I know buying real estate may sound like a complicated process, but I'm here to tell you it doesn't actually need to be.

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16:59It was the line of credit that I had pulled$400 out of previously. Not the one I saw? A different one? The$400 that was on that initial statement. It's that one. At 31.5%. $14 ,170! It was a$7. They call it a pre-computed loan. It's a$7 ,000 loan. That's just interest already calculated into it. which it's kind of scary to look at but yes is there a payoff or is the interest calculated into it? The interest is calculated into it. You have to pay off that no matter what? No. That doesn't make sense. So what's the payoff then? If we paid it off today so we could avoid paying that interest I think it's just under$7 ,000 because I've only made one payment on it.

17:39It's brand new. When'd you do this? You're telling me you max out all those cards after using these to pay them off that quickly? No. I paid off a different loan with that. What loan? It was from a company called Rise, and the interest was like 108%. It's ridiculous. And what was that loan for, and how much was it? This was after the divorce was fresh. I can't tell you exactly what it was for. I think I had my first one with them for$1 ,500. Legally? Okay. Well, no, it's not that. It's just I genuinely don't remember. Because the original$1 ,500 one, I don't know what I did with. and then I refinanced it for five, which dropped the rate a little bit.

18:24And I think I paid off that line of credit and then racked it up again. You're not a debt person. Yeah, I know. You're not a debt person in general, not just a credit card person. You can't utilize leverage in debt. You just can't. You can't. You can't. You get access to it and you just borrow and you max. You go crazy and we have$7 ,000 at 31 % with a$235 minimum of the payment at 13 cents. This is stacking, man This is stacking What have we got so far, debt-wise? The brand new debt counter Has calculated it for y 'all Now you've been asking for it If everyone's happy that the debt counter Is back and better improved than ever Make sure you give this video a like, guys And if you want me to calculate Your debt by sitting right there While I give you a good old Go to calebhammer.com Slash apply 8 ,595 dollars and 19 cents at this point uh that's crazy that's crazy man none of it's even like good debt none of it's even going to your benefit minimum monthly payment so far of 350 dollars and 13 cents okay upstart you mentioned these towards the beginning mm-hmm what the f*** is this for that was when i paid off the cards with my ex okay so when was that that was 2021 i think it's just somewhere in that summer five year loans and then you just rack you just went this is why i'm i'm not one size fits all but i get why dave ramsey's like okay we're not gonna do any debt consolidation over here up here in nashville tennessee uh because i mean when people in positions like yours they rack up debt they get it consolidated or transferred in another way and then it brings that debt that they got into in the first place that credit card debt back down to zero and then they have the limit they can spend up again they just they just do what you do and then we've had so many people on the show that have done that so again not one size fits all but you're not even close to a person where i would consider consolidation especially since it's it's 27.11 interest was it really even saving money No.

20:38That just wasn't what I was focused on at the time. What were you focused on? Trying to get the cards paid down, which was my initial desire. It just pushed it, though, right? Okay.

20:52Upstart one, because I know there's a second one. It's a$62 minimum payment, and we brought it down from$2 ,000 over the course of three years to, which is insane,$1 ,267.52. disgusting disgusting disgusting speaking of disgusting upstart 2 the sequel back and worse than ever yeah a balance brought down from in three years 1400 bucks to 914 dollars and why is it worse than ever i'll tell you because it's a 31.2 interest rate of death and insanity and craziness with a minimum of the payment uh 46.33 okay oh this is a car loan i don't know who it's through bridgecrest carvana carvana kill me now what what is this what is this car a 2019 hyundai Ioniq hybrid really I kind of like that car but well at least the look of it I know nothing else about it but why then why the f**k do you have this no I'm sorry this isn't this isn't it's not an income shame but you make 20 bucks an hour I don't think we're getting that car right I needed something to door dash with the charge we get a car twice or three times of expenses as you could have gotten I get the car that's available with no down payments no no no no no what do you mean you get you get what does i get the card that's just what i have this is how you get cards in this case yes what does that mean i wasn't making enough money at the time because the charger broke down and i couldn't do doordash anymore i was looking out for something and just came across that zero percent down through carvana huh yes what was when did you get this january a couple months ago really the 505 dollar minimum payment how long is the term 72 your favorite better than like the new 84s but me that doesn't mean it's good what's the interest rate 20 i don't know the exact i think it's 22 if i'm being specific but i'm not sure you've legitimately like murdered yourself you're so self-aware of it which is good because usually sometimes so many people are just like blindly just like it not even just ignorant they're just like defensive and everything and i'm glad you're not but so aware of this like this was just a couple months ago like how'd you allow yourself to get into this few years ago i can understand it because you know you can make a lot of progress in life in three years in maturity and understanding and education just a couple months ago what the are we doing i understand you've got the first one you could get at zero percent down but why why do you accept that because i needed to be able to doordash i i could make more money doing that than getting a second job anywhere else in my town so how much money do you how many hours a week do you drive doordash uh 30 to 40 on top of my 40 from the store 30 to 40 okay 30 to 40 and what do you earn do you have like an average hourly what are you bringing through that on a monthly or weekly basis weekly basis what are you bringing that's the one that i said was between four to six hundred a week that we averaged at 500 okay but that's what comes in a week do you take away gas do you take away car depreciation not car depreciation well i mean that is honestly but do you also take away maintenance on the car i don't okay so that's probably not the exact number plus you're not sitting any money aside for taxes Right.

24:38Aside from that 30 extra coming out of my paycheck. Which might do it because it's not like you're a crazy high earner by any means. But yeah, whatever potential tax returns from the withholdings you're getting is going to be very negated through this, depending on how you have that set up. This year I paid about$600 total for all my taxes. That's not crazy. Were you doing just about as much last year as you are this year? Like all last year? I think I'm actually making more now with Spark added to it. Be safe then. Be safe. I don't want you to give it. because if you're in a situation where we're taking out 22 % loans because we don't know what the fuck else to do in a moment of terror, what happens when a$2 ,000 tax bill comes?

25:15What are you doing in that? Taking out a 25 % loan? Can you even take out debt anymore? What's your credit score? Just under 600. It's like 602 one side, 579 the other. Carvana, have their way with you. oh there is a nicer version of that car is the one that i'm thinking of isn't there like a hyundai ionic maybe like 2024 version it looks really cool it's like i think they discontinued that car like they don't make never mind i don't know what i'm thinking of them it's the probably the elantra those look really nice okay uh either way it's worth ten thousand six hundred ninety nine dollars we just took it out and it's worth half of our debt yeah i tried to refinance it and get a lower rate recently and they told me that thing you just said and it's not worth their effort to refinance i guess right now how do i understand you needed a car quickly okay so that drives us into a sense of urgency and we need to like figure out things but why did you do zero due diligence in any way whatsoever zero i had nothing else available i tried looking into cheaper cars how big is your town what's like the metro area uh 1500 people or so okay are you close to any other town not really but you could drive a few hours to get a car if you wanted to right what i did for that i had to go to oklahoma city for that you're telling me no okay oklahoma city you're telling me no other car existed in oklahoma city for sale come on yes like that i guess i didn't look into it like that well you just like you couldn't google i'd been looking through the other ones but they're just as bad car max you find you found one car did you look at facebook marketplace did you look at craigslist uh not craigslist but marketplace yes okay there wasn't anything around me but i also around you but did you look in like oklahoma city did not okay you should it's just a little put in just a little extra effort in anything right could have saved yourself literally ten thousand dollars man that's wild that double zero is holding up first savings credit card it's it's not saving you anything we have a balance of 383.17 the minimum payment of 30 bucks interest charge $19.31 and you paid the minimum.

27:29Okay. What was this card for? Why is this one? That one was back with my ex. Okay. Then why is it only$100 paid off of the credit limit? Because ex was two years ago. Right. I started filling them all up after the divorce. Okay. Yeah. But there was two years ago. $100 has been made progress in two years. Apparently. No, come on. Give me an answer. How do you not know? I have a lot of these to worry about, so I just don't think about it anymore. But do you put money on it? Just the minimum. No, no, no, no, no. Do you spend money? I don't remember the last time I did.

28:14It's so interesting. You're so self-aware and also ignorant to your own situation at the same time. You can't answer questions from two months ago, but you know that you're in a bad position and that things were mistakes. Yes. But you can't answer like simple, what happened here? Questions? I didn't have my car throughout the entire month of December because the charger broke down. So it was probably then, but I couldn't tell you on what. But I just know that I was like$100 negative every single week because I wasn't doing DoorDash. What do you want to do for your career? Because right now you're working$80 a week, but we're bringing in$4 ,000.

28:48That's before you set money aside of taxes, almost$4 ,000 a month, a little less. I'm content with working at the store forever. Okay. That's good. But can you afford to? Not right now. I want to get my stuff down to the point where I can, which I think I can once I start getting rid of stuff. You're content. Yes. Content's good. What do you want to do, though? Like, want. That is what I want to do. Oh, that's great, though. I want to be able to stay there. Okay, so you love your job. I do. Like the people, community, all that stuff? Yeah, I can say that, yeah. Okay. I mean, I've been there since 2011.

29:22I was 14 when I started there. I pretty much grew up there. I'm used to it. So is it because you know nothing else? Kind of, but I also like it. It takes care of me. I just haven't been taking care of myself to let me show that. Agreed. Are you open to potentially, okay, well, I don't want you to. We need to think about this income thing at the end because the income was not your major problem. It was obviously you're spending the discipline, but now you've gotten your debts in such a minimum monthly payment situation where. It was worse a couple months ago. If you ever think about any changes, I am lucky enough to have connections.

29:55so if everything changes I can gift you like tax certifications to course careers I love those and a bunch of other resources you just let me know but I love that you're in a position that you enjoy work wise that's cool it's very manual yeah all these box movings yeah but I don't think much of it sure I'm just thinking longevity on the body and everything I know people have worked manual jobs since the history of forever for the most of their lives and you know it's okay but Yeah, I mean, if it's something super heavy, I'll just leave it on the ground, cut the case open, take stuff one by one.

30:29That's my goal is to take care of myself in the process. Okay. Now we went from first savings to first national. What's a first? That's the same case of back in 2021 and then just not paying attention to what I'm doing with it. But again, I don't think so because if it was since 2021 and the balance on here is$568.01 with a$30 minimum payment, but the credit limit is$600. You can't tell me over the course of two years you made$30 of progress. Something's not adding up. I probably ran that one back up in December as well. In what? With what then? What were you getting? what were you doing what was the in your lack of discipline and lack of being able to just what was it what what has what racks it back up in your life uh getting gas getting taquitos and just gas stations just yeah and what makes us put it on credit cards versus checking account i don't have any money in my checking account at the time so I want you to just seriously close every account.

31:41I do not want you to have access to these lines of credit anyway. You just, you can't. And it's okay that you can't. It's okay. Just, I know if I have a bunch of candy and shit in my house, I'll just gobble it down like a fat fuck. So I don't allow myself to have access to it. You want to spend any kind of credit line that you have access to. But it's damaging to you, so don't allow yourself to have access to it. Plus, your credit's already under 600, so don't give me that I need good credit. Okay? Okay. You're already f***ed anyway. Yeah. Are you down to cut up your cards? I can, yes. Do you want to cut them up after we go through these?

32:18I don't have them with me. They are at my house. I don't keep them in my wallet for that same concept. Probably smart, but I would rather close the accounts because you can order them. You can reorder cards and you can attach them to digital wallets. Add a 30 % interest rate. Okay. oh is this the oh credit one we know we've entered the the pits of just absolute death and insanity once we see credit one the most evil it's the sally may of credit cards that i hate when it comes to student loans and i hate credit one when it comes to credit cards okay let's see we have a balance on here of 814 dollars on a limit of 800 dollars why is this above the limit.

33:02I missed a payment twice on that one. No, but you say I'm aware of the payments. That's your thing that you're aware of. Why'd you spend money on that first credit card that we saw? Why'd we spend money on that first credit card you saw? If we're missing a payment on the worst credit card that's ever existed in this world. I did that on both of those cards. No, why? They were due on the same day. I get home. If you don't make the payment by 5 p.m., then it's considered late. And I fell asleep. This happened twice. the day before you don't have auto payments you don't have auto payments no i manually because you can't manage your money no listen personal finance is hard and i struggled with it for a long time until i personally educated myself we decided to create resources that can actually help people at an affordable price so if you want to learn how to budget we have the best budgeting program in the history of the internet but if education and quizzes and resources like that are not what you're looking for.

33:58We also have a unique coaching program with a licensed professional who you can sit down with cheaper than anywhere else. We made these resources for you so you can change your life around and have the best financial future possible. They're at the top of the description below. I highly encourage checking them out. I'm gonna overdraft my bank account if i do that on some of those seven seventy five dollars and seventy four cents of fees kill eighteen dollars and eighteen cents of interest i you know why i'm like actually like you know why i'm like raging right now i rage for many different reasons i know my rage is pretty similar across the board but i rage for different reasons usually i rage because the person in front him he's like oh what's a debt i don't know what a debt is i'm raging because you're aware of your situation you're nice i legitimately like you as a person and this is so bad for you and it hurts to see it is tearing my heart out that credit one out of all them you're this hurts man this is like you're so nice you're so aware you're like the last person i would want this to happen to and there it is annual fee of 39 credit protect of 7.74 and a late fee of 29 and interest of 18.17 cents absolutely end me oh okay prestige oh oh the balance this this just keeps going this just keeps going 19 184.27 with the minimum payment of $5.13 and$1.10 What is this for?

35:50That is the Charger. Charger? Car Charger? Oh yeah, but Dodge Charger, here we go. Okay, I went from liking you. That's a quick way for me to not like you. If I can defend myself here, I didn't want this car from the start. Yeah, I don't think anyone should want a Dodge Charger. I agree. Worst car ever. I hate it. The people drive up into the Dodge Charger and I'm like, that's the ugliest thing I've ever seen. and you're an embarrassment for driving that next to me at a stop sign. Yeah, I don't feel like I fit the demographic of that car. No, I don't know what the demographic of that car is. I could be on a pink bicycle with flowers hanging from it.

36:23I could be riding up, and I pull up next to a Charger, and I look cooler than that piece of Charger, Dodge Charger. Kill me. What do you mean you didn't want to buy this? Why do you have this? My ex wanted it. Oh, we're back to the ex. Your ex wanted it? She was very specific about wanting this specific type of Charger. Wait, why is it your debt?

36:46That's a great question, but I just bought it. She wanted it, and I did what I could. So you went into debt? Yes. Wait, the balance is... Oh, this is... But you broke up. When did you take this out? Because you broke up two years ago, and the balance is still so high. January of 2021, I believe. So right before you broke up? Yes, a couple months before. Is she on the credit? No. Yes? She was not on the application at all. Where's the car? Is she driving it? It's broken down in my driveway. I'm going to... I have pot brains in here. This is the one that broke down, and I didn't have a car for a month.

37:16Then I got the other one, the Hyundai. What's it broken down? The oil filter assembly on top of the motor broke. What does that cost to fix? I don't know. I bought the new one, and I was going to fix it, and broke some more trying to fix it. What? You could take it to a can and borrow$2 ,000 to get it fixed. Let's assume it's that. Even if it's$10 ,000, that would have saved you$10 ,000. instead of going and getting the other car. That's crazy! You owe$20 ,000 in debt instead of doing an oil repair? $10 ,000! $20 ,000 in debt instead of doing an oil repair! That's the most insane thing I've ever heard in my life!

37:55What was that? What is that? Buddy, that is a... That is a decision! What kind of decision? I wanted something cheaper to operate. Which... What? Cheaper to operate? I don't think doubling your car debt from 20 to 40 is cheaper oh this is this is this is mind-boggling because i'm trying to try to put myself in that position real quick and i'm just trying to think in what world would i ever think doubling my car debt instead of doing a repair is what makes sense uh a couple months ago 20 bucks of gas a day versus 20 lasting me half the week buddy buddy buddy buddy buddy buddy you still owe this debt let's even the point like you just you doubled your debt if you got rid of one debt for the other debt and your gas was cheaper sure let's go that's not where we are that's that's it's not even that's not even close to what happened here yeah long-term goal i do want to fix it so i can sell it and then get a gap loan pay the difference but i'm nowhere even close to that i'd say fix it and sell your other car but it's only worth half of what tell me okay what's this worth well this is worth 7 ,582 but was that broken down uh the the charge charger is yeah valued broken down okay so it's valued at that 7 582 can we get a prediction on what it would be valued uh fixed i think it's going to be like 12 really maximum 12 me but that was also we are underwater so much on cars so we are currently underwater 30 000 in our vehicles there's another one not near as bad but there is another one one man three cars two bricks just the other one doesn't run either the other one I ran into the ground driving her to and from Dallas going all the time

40:00it was burning all of its oil I couldn't figure out why so you take it to a mechanic Well, it ended up just breaking down on the side of the road Commuting to the other town for DoorDash DoorDash instead of What's the interest rate on this Charge Charter On the Charter, it was initially 21, but it's since come down to 17.5 Oh good, it's down to 17 Oh good Made the payment cheaper Yeah From 5.75 to 5.13 13.10 Yeah, it came down to 17 I think they added three months when they did that too. You were fine. They called me and gave me the option to drop the rate, and they said that was just part of it, was adding three more months.

40:45Freed up more monthly money for me, so I just said, why not? That's what I'm about to say. Except I still like you, so I am. Sometimes I want to give up because this is just like devastating. This is like, I couldn't know. What does the weight feel like to you? Because just the weight of going through these numbers to me, I feel like I'm being crushed. How do you feel on a daily basis? Like I can't breathe. Yeah. But I persist. I have no other choice. Okay. Yeah. It's what a man does, right? Something like that. He just persists. A real man wouldn't have a Dodge Charger, but... I laugh at myself in it, too.

41:32I get it. Okay. okay we're laughing through the pain folks we're laughing that's part of why i wanted to move on from it but still have the that yeah quicksilver oh we and we persist through this pile uh oh oh good oh good oh good we owe five hundred ten dollars fifty seven cents on a Credit limit of$500. Oh, good. Minimum monthly payment was? It's normally$25. Why is it$46? Because that was due the same day as those other two that I slept through. You need a budget. You need a budget more than anyone I've ever met. If you know a payment's coming, we budget to make sure we have money. The money was there.

42:24I just didn't make the payment on time. Why? Because I fell asleep when I got home. Didn't pay it in time. How does someone just, how do you just, I'm picturing you just, skrr, walk in. That's pretty much it, yes. Like, let's do a couple actions before that. Like, we go, berr, and walk in. Oh, okay. Now I'll sleep. Let's do that instead, right? You would think, but if there's a time to f*** something up, I will find it. You just never found time with your ex to, that didn't make sense. any sense i tried to make that made no sense i i tried i make that same joke myself too it was kind of painful going a year without so okay well okay so i keep getting into it then i get another detail yeah i don't need to know it's painful oh man okay what was more painful that or this debt yes okay okay so$12.85 of interest $25 of fees and it was for that mispayment so past due yeah 30 % interest this must be that other car what is this car that is a 2016 Hyundai Sonata now why why does this one exist that was just what I had whenever all this started why is it still here that's what happens when you have a five-year loan.

43:53You're past the lifespan of the car, and then you're still paying on it. When did you get this? Like 2018. I've had this forever. The maturity date is November 2025. I refinanced it at one point, because it started at 19 % with Wells Fargo. Now what is it? 9 point something? 9.6, I think? Usually that's considered a bad rate compared to the rest of your debts. That's one of the best ones I've got, but that was before I fucking did that. insane to say wait before what? I refinanced it before I got all these cards and maxed them out so it was my credit was a little bit better I was like$6.50 back then Sonata okay Sonata it's broken down not gonna run of course it is good my carport broken has guaranteed got a wall sitting on it what the we had a big windstorm can you take a picture and send it to us and put in the video I have a picture at the ready yeah I'm curious we'll put this on screen for all all y 'all oh wow yeah and what's wrong with the car other than that uh engine issues i'm not sure what's specifically wrong you you're allergic to the mechanic like that's a bill i don't have an emergency fund for yeah but you've taken out twenty thousand and i what you didn't have an emergency what you couldn't afford the other mid-monthly payment you took on i didn't know how I could get a loan without anything for it.

45:13So, I mean, security or whatever. Oh, this is the last time. Okay, then we'll add up a minimum of your parents because this has to be just wild. You have a mortgage. Yes. Speaking of which, I mean, you probably have insurance on. Why don't you use that for the carport? When the carport happened? Sometime like October, I think we had a big windstorm. It ripped the roof off entirely. Because I wanted to tear it down eventually anyway. The carport? Yes, Mother Nature just kind of helped. Yeah, but you haven't done anything. Unless that's an old picture. I took that picture a couple days ago. You don't do anything.

45:46You actually do work. I get home and I'm just tired. Well, yeah, you work 80 hours a week and you're making no progress. Okay, but we have a mortgage. Yes. Man, small town Oklahoma. Apparently that's where to move folks because you have a $47 ,000 mortgage. That's insane. That's a down payment on a normal house. It's a fixer upper, but it's got quite a lot of land to it it's a corner lot yeah garage and i used to be carport uh i don't know off the top of my head how do you do you like it you like are you happy with that there's a lot of stuff i want to do to it but i can't do it okay but you want to stay there yes very good 4.7 interest okay 528 dollar minimum payment after everything that'll be about 450 in a year there was an escrow shortage so they bumped my payments up a lot so it was like 4 30 so that was kind of a shock about a year from now yeah okay so but a little fact

46:48over the next six years that you're going to be putting the minimum of the car payments essentially essentially oversimplifying this stuff like 1500 bucks a month towards this is a little graphy that we made and we'll put it on screen as well if instead that money wasn't going to the car which by the way these are the depreciating ever depreciating value of the car is this if that money was put in the overall market instead let's say at seven percent to be a bit more conservative doing the overall stock market since the beginning of the history to the ending for the end of retirement and this is only putting 1500 bucks away a month which is what you put towards the car payments for the next six years this isn't forever this is just the next six years that's where the line all of a sudden stops growing as quick it still compounds and grows and grows and grows to a million bucks by the time you retire but instead all that is going down to two broken down cars and other ones with 30 percent interest which by the way is a higher number than seven percent that's scary to think about yeah it's like not even just scary it's like it's legitimately sad that's a potential one thousand dollars or one million dollars that you could have had a retirement that over the next six years is going to paint on the cars on a minimum that's required so you said you had these extra things from your wife what's the value of all of that you got all these things that you bought her you said it was apple watch iphone the car well that you still have the main things just the car is the only thing i still have the broken down uh sonata that looks to be worth about two thousand six hundred eighteen dollars and we owe what was that five thousand eight hundred nineteen dollars i want to get your minimum of the debt payments because we're going into your checking account next but we just went through what one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen debts there's another one there is one affirm account well before that with the ones that we knew about your total debt is 113 159 okay 47 for that being a mortgage but even still what's this affirm uh 450 bucks due right now and which cars by the way do you have car insurance on hopefully not the ones that are just sitting there broken i was under the impression i needed comprehensive on them because I'm still paying for them, so I have comprehensive...

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49:24You're right, many car loans. Most car loans, if not all car loans, do require dividend returns. It might be state-by-state things, but... I haven't looked that much into it. I just assumed. All right. Your debt minimum repayments are... This is insane. This is like actually... You've dug yourself such a hole. it's very sad i don't think i told you the affirm payments like 52 bucks oh well you said that 450 is owed now that's the total balance oh 52 for the firm yes okay so your minimum payments now with the affirm thing are 2994.41 but let's minus the 528.46 called the mortgage even though yes that is a debt I'm gonna put that under your rent slash mortgage because it is different and it's your only like a good debt benefiting you your bad debt two thousand four hundred sixty five dollars and ninety five cents on a monthly basis so to be clear that just straight bad debt not even including your mortgage let's assume you're setting too many taxes aside so let's just assume just a couple hundred bucks almost 70 percent of your net income goes to bad debt to minimum monthly payments that's wild okay checking account so yes what is this uh you're borrowing a hundred for your tapping equity for 418 bucks that was the line of credit we've mentioned credit yeah oh okay line of credit through what uh net credit oh okay going in getting some bull from the store getting some bull from the store mcdonald's mcdonald's from the store taco bell in the store taco bell taco bell mcdonald's those frappes are bad habit okay stop solved it going to the store getting some bullshit taco bell taco bell yeah what was that beef bad habit as well their breakfast quesadillas are pretty top so you go to two places that's insane it's good stuff just okay okay don't make me go from liking you to not liking you i'm sure it's great i'm sure it's great taco bell oh no mcdonald's again the taco bell corner store getting some bull taco bell mcdonald's a different convenience store going in and getting some bull

52:06oh taco bell oh affirm there's the one we just talked about and taco bell and another convenience store going and getting some bull going and getting some bull mcdonald's taco bell mcdonald you go to mcdonald's and taco bell every other day You're just like, oh, oh, oh, McDonald's and Taco Bell. Which one am I picking today? Right there while I'm dashing. Yeah. And then on the way back, you're also stepping in a convenience store and getting some bullsh**. Oh, we mixed it up and went to Arby's that time. Wow. They have really good chicken tenders. That's great. I'm just thrilled. I'm beyond just, that's f***ing awesome.

52:38That's just wonderful. You did not get$21.08 of groceries at Walmart, did you? I feel like you went and got some bullsh**. What the? My dogs needed a water bowl. They ate their last one They ate their water bowl Get the metal ones What kind of dogs do you have? Four Chihuahuas So they did not have metal ones Correct they did not They had this big plastic bowl Then McDonald's Go inside get some bull You remember You missed three payments You missed three payments But we're doing this Talk about Arby's Just go inside, get into bull - Go to - Oh, f***. There's half a thousand, seven hundred dollars of credit again.

53:26Go inside, get into bull - McDonald's and a firm. Did you say a thousand seven hundred? They're big buds. Buddy old pal, old man old guy. I'm pretty sure that was the payment to pay that off. You're right, it was. Just assuming it's you borrowing at this point. But you're right. You're right. First of all, nothing in savings. General savings, correct? Right. Okay. For what it's worth, we have$4 ,576 in retirement. Is this a Roth IRA? What are we looking at here? It is a simple IRA. Okay. So, we're at 27. I mean, certainly behind, but I'm glad you have something started. But either way, none of it's competing with a 35 % interest rate on those two credit cards that have that insanity.

54:09It looks like you're mostly in the NASDAQ, which is a bit interesting. It's a little more volatile A little more ups and downs They're a bit higher It's all managed I have no idea what's going on in there Well, it's all in the NASDAQ Pretty much I don't know how you expected to golf, by the way When you work 80 hours a week I don't know what I was thinking either Okay, and you'll sell them It sounded like a good idea at the time Does selling them sound like a good idea right now? They're a cheap brand I don't know what I'm going to get for them But I can look into it Any amount, you're not using them And you have stupid debt I literally genuinely want you to sell everything in your house Except for your bed And when it needs to cook groceries like literally everything else like what's the point of them i don't need you to have anything right now that's not for basic necessities right i mean i'm hardly ever home anyway you're drowning you're dying your debt's going up you're tapping equity to make payments like they're not tapping equity you're taking out lines of credit it's absolutely insane like sell everything what's the value of your house right now i have no idea credit karma tells me it's like over 100 which is absurd i don't think so type in your address it's not going to be perfect because it's zillow but it gives us an idea.

55:14Caffeine drives my insanity. It gets me through these conversations. Why are you doing that? Spending in a budget, net$2 ,290 worth of debt, or 36.7%. Housing, 8.2%. That was your mortgage,$513.46, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. Oh, no. That must have been utilities. Well, we'll see. Let me make sure. no that was your mortgage payment but okay i guess it just went up a little transportation 35.02 which is that's insane because they're stupid cars 2198.03 going out to eat 310 dollars and 24 cents unknown shopping it's basically walmart amazon anything like that 1.3 medical health care 0.6 savings 0 i don't know why that's on there zero that's funny other large purchases uh so it probably rounded down to zero but other large purchases 12.9 % those other large purchases we're looking at PayPal and out, Cash App and out and a tax payment right Zillow is not being nice to me I'm typing in one letter and it keeps coming up with another can I zoom in on this and just click on it?

56:31sure total that came in for income was$4 ,000 but total that went out was$6 ,238 which is why you then took out$2 ,000 left over from the debt payoff that you pocketed and that disbursement of$418. So you had to do that to essentially break even. Yeah. Because you're dramatically negative. I'm going to show you what's happening here. See, that top one is what I'm trying to click. It's taking me to something completely different. That's not your house? That's not my house. Okay. It's fine. But do you think it's about$100? That's what Credit Karma says, man. Okay. Well, let's just maybe say$90 or something.

57:11Yeah.

57:16And that's like the good thing you've done. That's the one good. Financially, I'm sure you've done good things in life. Financially, that's the one good thing you've done. And the thing is, it's just like you're already working 80 hours a week and we're still$2 ,000 behind what we need to make it. Well, no, with your spending. So let's get your exact thing. What about utilities? What are your utilities? I don't pay utilities at all right now. because my dad pays the utilities right what about internet i don't pay any of that my mortgage is the only home expense cool cool cool hundred dollars for tp fund that's anything you need to survive in life that's not included in the budget when you go through the budgeting class you're going to get everything down to a t we're just trying to get a broad understanding groceries three hundred dollars use the meal plan that we give you uh and can create your own and adapt it but three hundred dollars is just enough for you it's perfectly fine phone bill 210 right now let me guess they're all financed two phones that are being financed yes why because i broke one at a very stressful day with my parents in my house she was up front screaming her mental is jello i'm walking back and forth your mom yes okay so she does not live there though she died in january i'm very sorry it's that's a whole different story uh but point being she was in there screaming as she does because she's just mentally gone at that point okay and i'm kind of losing my having computer issues and i slammed it on the back of my chair destroyed the phone okay need a phone to doordash so i went and got the same phone when you're done with the phone payments i'd switch the healing so it's 20 bucks a month but even still you might be able to transfer over your service but okay what is it again uh 210 okay what are we gonna say i owe like 800 on both of them yeah that's crazy gas on a monthly basis since you're not already taking that out of your income for DoorDash.

59:08So how much for gas? I'm going to guess$250. I fill up twice a week. It's like$28 a week. So I'm being generous there, but I'm... Okay. Car insurance is... Car insurance, I. $269.75. For all three? For all three. That's not bad. It's not. It was$308. So one more time, two? $269. Okay. And I think$0.75. Okay. Okay. Debt payments we got. Medical, health care, gym. Anything like that? No, I'm good. Okay. Subscriptions, not even fucking an option. Not even close. Not a subscription to name. Had one, but I got rid of it because I finished the show I was watching. Okay. Great. Crunchyroll is worth it for one month.

59:55There's some good stuff on there. Okay, it's closer than your last month's spending suggests, but even still, 80 hours a week, still being 300 200 under what we need to survive your minimum survival is 4 124 dollars and 16 cents on a monthly basis that's without like literally any fun 3 895 is what comes in 36 cents y 'all gotta use my favorite high yield savings account where you can get up to 4.6 on your money plus fdic insurance up to two million dollars you can also get up to three hundred dollars for signing up today it's the personal high yield savings account that i use for my money so don't let your money be losing money while it's just sitting there click in the link in the description below and get those bonuses so i have some ideas and i'm willing to talk through them but i'm curious where your head was at before this did you have uh did you have a plan what what were you if we didn't meet today what was gonna happen continue what was what was tomorrow going to be like?

1:01:02What was two years going to be like for now? Two years, I'm just hoping for the best, but I've just been winging it, and that's probably what I was going to continue doing was just winging it and not making much progress. You're making negative progress because you're tapping lines of credit. There's a few options. One that's stressful, expensive, time-consuming, will f*** for a while. There is bankruptcy. You keep the most important car. If I have to keep the home, I've debated it, but I think I can get through it without doing that. I agree, but I'm throwing everything on the table. I'm throwing everything on the table.

1:01:42There's that and then really most any other assets that we will, you know. There's to sell everything you own except for what you need to make the food and sleep. Like, other than that, I don't know. Like, have one plastic cup and one plate and just, you know. could you could the dad chip in more for the i mean it's your mortgage he's not under it so i don't even know if i want him to he's already taking care of utilities but i don't know i would like to have my house back to myself is the thing i would like for him to be put in the home he's getting old and how old is he somewhere in the 70s i'm adopted up he's by blood my grandpa okay so but i don't have a great relationship with them i never have yeah i mean you said towards the beginning there's a whole story yeah you want to I was planning on moving to Texas with my ex and I needed somebody to rent my house.

1:02:31So I go see what they're doing and they're about to get foreclosed on. Oh, okay. Because he had this genius idea that this big water pipe burst under the house, that it was the mortgage company's responsibility to fix that, not his. I don't know where the hell he got that idea, but yeah, they were about to get kicked out. So I kind of took advantage of that and moved them into my house. They did pay rent for like the first three months. then i realized i'm not moving to texas and now i'm stuck with this so i told them if they pay utilities i pay the mortgage we'll be good to go and yeah they trashed my house in the process so what's the future for him you said a home is that really it i think so his only income is social security income and like a hundred dollars a month pension from his job it's not even gonna be like a great what does he want i don't know i don't talk to him at all so you guys see each other no actually you don't pass each other i come in through the back of my house go straight to my room i don't talk to him at all your room of your own house yes this has to be so awkward probably to him when's the last time you guys saw each other uh yesterday and it was honestly on accident i don't like to i just walked in and he was in the kitchen normally he's up in the living room just chilling and what happened just said hi and went on my way what did he say same thing they asked me how my day was i said fine then just walked in my room didn't what does he think of this whole thing i don't know come on you have to i don't have some inkling i don't talk to him at all when's the last time you've had a conversation uh when she died when my mom died wow back in january and why is the relationship so bad stressful childhood she had early stages of dementia growing up and was very bipolar getting yelled at every single day for everything that wasn't really me what about him though he was never home he worked nights just yeah and when When he was home, he was drunk.

1:04:18Yeah. How's the sobriety and drinking now? Do you even know? It was pretty crappy because after she died, he did get drunk and fall down. I had to call an ambulance and whatnot. Because he hit his head on the way down. And yeah. I would like my brothers to be more involved with it than they are, but yeah. Wait, how many brothers do you have? Two. They are their actual kids, so biologically they're my uncles. That probably doesn't matter, but... it's their actual dad not mine and why aren't they involved i don't know they come like hang out with them from time to time but yeah i don't i'm not a part of all that i don't want to be a part of all that you seem so disconnected from everything i very much am disconnected from them no from everything oh yeah i think that's kind of disconnected from your dad and Do you go out?

1:05:11No Do you have friends? Yes Okay, how often do you see them? We have a group chat your face is actually the picture of Okay He is like my personal Caleb That I have not been listening to, obviously Okay His score is 9 Oh, good for him Yeah That's a very good score That's an incredible score, actually Okay, why haven't you been listening? That's a great question oh come on why haven't you been listening come on i don't know i genuinely don't know i've just been doing and so do you guys live close yeah he lives in the same town as me okay you guys hang out often i just want to make sure okay good we don't like hang out hang out because he's always busy i'm always busy yeah yeah but i just want to make sure yeah um therapy have we considered that it sounds if there's a there's a candidate i've thought about it but i don't know where to fit that in right now when i make some progress on some stuff i'll consider some virtual options i I know you can find one hour a week.

1:06:09Right. One hour every other week if you want to. You have health insurance? Yes. It's fully covered in my job. Through work. Then utilize it. You'll have co-pay, sure.

1:06:21Another option. It's really, again, another shit option. We really tap into the equity of the home by potentially selling the home. You've made good progress. Again, this is the good thing you've done. But getting a check, say, how long have you owned it? uh 2018 perfect so you'll have no uh capital gain taxes on that if you do this and um let's say you get fifty thousand dollars even forty thousand dollars just i mean that covers your two biggest debts like that's gone that lowers your minimum monthly payments by a thousand dollars like that that could be life-changing um obviously we want to get you into home ownership again and i think you'd be able to how much did you put down on this home when you got it i didn't have to put anything down it was some first time home buyers thing i didn't have to put anything down at all okay they even got me out of paying the closing costs i don't know how they did that but they did that again this is but so my my struggle is you're already at like almost max like i don't want you to get to an unhealthy position where you're like falling asleep on a job or like you know we're putting health things at risk i'm still getting eight hours of sleep a but you're but you're at that for 80 hours a week you know thing if not more sometimes you said maybe like but we're still negative 200 so how do we make that up it's i don't think i'm negative 200 like a month yeah because i don't feel like i'm that deep it's not a feeling thing it's five to six hundred from nordash and spark i'm just taking what came in this last month and i didn't even put money aside for taxes you know i didn't even put money aside for taxes so i know you love your job right this might how far away is like oklahoma city four hours about oh yeah oh what's the closest uh metro of like 250 000 to oklahoma city what's your town called I'm up in the panhandle of Oklahoma Oh jeez I wonder what was there Yeah there's a meme about what goes on there This is what goes on there I'm a map nerd so I'm happy to Oh yeah there's like five streets In your town Yeah it's a pretty small place everybody knows everybody Uh there's Liberal Kansas That is where I go to DoorDash Really you drive to liberal kansas about 35 minute drive and i bet no one in that town is liberal by the way no that's the fun it's a funny name uh what about perryton i think i don't like to go back to perryton that's where i met my ex okay but come on there's nothing there though it's small there has to be like a warehouse job that you we can maybe make an extra like four or five bucks an hour though somewhere right there'd probably be national beef and liberal but i'm not open to that honestly why i think i make enough but you 80 hours a week and you don't it's not it's not a think it's not a think it's a literal mathematical basic plus and minus i you're tapping into lines of credit no because you're tapping in lines of credit that's what you did to make the ends meet this last month i was gonna say another thing to like that could just help you i know you love this job and i like that you like this job but it's like we already talked about selling the house but also then just move to a major metro that is a thing that kind of sucks sometimes you if you weren't in a hole you could small city america like you really could because yes there's lower cost of livings there there's also lower income they're associated with that but when you get yourself in the same amount of debt that someone in you know city that's making twice as much as you you know doing similar work it's like it's a different situation because they can get out of much easier than you selling a job and moving to uh like amarillo or even dodge city you know like even that for a couple years to get out of this and then move back home if you want to sure your job's not like like hard to get right no if you really want it again you know but again leaving a job that you like leaving your support system which is your friend um and who knows what would happen to your dad after you sell it but what about Dodge City can you work there commute like an hour and a half the same job that I would get there is the same job at liberal and national beef okay and why I actually tried national beef in 2017 and I was making more at the store okay I don't know well are you sure because Dodge City looks a lot bigger to be honest it's the same like there's more opportunities I don't know what else would be there look I mean it's like your car thing you looked at one car like you got to put a little effort into something right if you don't put effort into this you're never gonna get out this and you obviously don't make enough so i see three options and leave comments below if we're thinking of more options because you know this is we're doing this live so it's easy when thinking on it and obviously the more ideas we have we'll send them to you but there's bankruptcy they're selling the house they're selling the house and moving to a better area and there's commuting to trying to find a better job and actually putting an effort into finding another job because right now we're going double full-time and we're still 200 under you're literally never going to get out of it so it's like one of those four options right now none of them are what you want to do but one of them might be what you have to do and you're just you need to choose the one that is you're least hated at some point which really sucks but that's i think that's kind of where we are it's gonna take a hard decision and it's second part of this about this conversation is this ending kind of on a downer um because you're you have to make a really choice but i like you a lot like you're you're a really nice person um you're you're definitely defeated and beat down and i you know i can i'm getting that vibe and i get that i would love you know we need to incorporate therapy into the budget as well because i think you can actually have a really good life um if we're managing if we're budgeting but you're going to have to do something to get out of this debt.

1:12:34And at some point, something's going to give. The banks are going to come after you. Everything's going to fall into collections. You're going to lose the house. Something's going to have to give if you don't put an action into it. So it's kind of your choice from here what you decide to do. I would do one of those four things. Me personally, because you can always get a house again. Again, I don't want you to get out of that equity position. I'm selling the house. I'm moving to a metro area for a couple years, and I'm paying off all the debt. That's what I'm doing. That's the choice I'm making.

1:13:01and then I'm saving up to put a down payment down on a house again and I'm catching up on retirement. No, you can invest anywhere. You can open up. Like, buddy, if you get out of this, I will personally fund you opening up a brokerage in Moo Moo and just getting some stock picks and stuff like that. There's a lot of exciting things that can be done. There's also obviously selling the cars. There are selling the cars. Your equity position, that's going to save$15 ,000 or so. Selling the two cars that aren't drivable right now. right um that's gonna help a little move the needle it's gonna be slow but it starts move it starts moving the needle that helps and it is it uh obviously you still owe the bit of monthly payments on those until you pay them off or we would attack them um but it should limit limit lower the car insurance as well and if we're 200 short you know limiting some car insurance you The more and more we help, the better.

1:13:59I can talk to my lenders and see if there's anything I can do about that since they're not running. They're not sitting on public roads or nothing. They're just broken down on my lot. I don't know the laws about that. Yeah, exactly. And honestly, if you just make a little bit more money, I want you to work$90 or$100. But if you do, some of these credit card balances are so small that if you knock them out relatively quickly, it starts lowering your minimum of the payments pretty dramatically. You knock out like four of the smallest, five of the smallest, and you're almost breaking even again. So there are ways like that.

1:14:31But again, my struggle is like you've already got 80 hours a week and you're negative. So there's, there's, there's, there's methods. There's methods. This just requires hard work, hard sacrifices. I will start looking into selling things. See what I can come up with. Yeah. If you snowball it, you snowball it and sell the cars, sell the cars. instead of putting that money towards the car debt you can put it towards the smallest debts which starts minimizing some minimum payments then you roll that extra money for starting to break even and make even you know a little bit of a profit on a monthly basis start throwing that into continuing the snowball there are ways out of this there's ways out of this it's gonna take a lot of work it's gonna take a lot of work sacrifices but i don't know man it's kind of to you from here we'll walk with you we'll help you but that's what i think let me get you a hammer financial score make sure to stick around for the post show we'll come in we'll have a more light-hearted conversation noah's going to come in with his autistic energy and just go wild spending in a budget well i mean you had to tap credit to continue your spending so i mean zero out of ten is not even close you don't have collections or irs debt so you're not an automatic zero on debt but it's really really bad on everything else so it's a one out of ten emergency one you don't have anything zero out of ten retirement behind for your age for sure but you are getting started i'm gonna give you i think four is a little generous 27 at 5 000 right now because it's a hundred dollars a week going in there i'm between a three or four i'm gonna be generous and give a four real estate this is where you you know we have something good you have you know like 50 000 hours of equity or so and the interest rate's not bad either um you didn't get it at the absolute bottom and if you did your credit score just wasn't great but yeah i'm gonna have to solid six out of ten just because the rate i don't know seven out of ten seven out of ten i think that's gonna pull your score up a bit might be generous but that's where we're at today to hammer financial score 2.5 out of 10.

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