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Financial Audit Podcast Episode Notes
Episode Information
- Podcast Title: Financial Audit
- Episode Title: I've Never Met A Woman Like This | Financial Audit
- Host: Caleb Hammer
- Guest: Sabrina, a 24-year-old assistant store manager in Austin
- Air Date: [Insert Date Here]
- Sponsors: Kikoff, Fizz
Episode Summary In this episode, host Caleb Hammer conducts a financial audit with guest Sabrina, who shares her financial struggles while managing work and family life. Sabrina is an assistant store manager making $15/hour and supports two children. The discussion reveals her lack of financial literacy, impulse spending habits, reliance on credit, and overall poor financial health.
Key Points and Discussions
Guest Background
- Sabrina's Job: Assistant store manager at Zoomies, making $15/hour (low for Austin).
- Family Situation: Divorced with two children aged 5 and 3; relies on child support ($835/month).
- New Job: Secured a new position with a pay increase to $18/hour.
Financial Overview
- Monthly Income: Approximately $2,500 (including child support).
- Monthly Expenses: Total expenses exceed income, leading to overdrafts and missed payments.
- Debt Overview: Sabrina has multiple credit cards, a car loan, and is frequently missing payments.
Spending Habits
- Impulse Purchases: Sabrina admits to spending money lavishly on clothes, concerts, and Starbucks, claiming comfort in retail therapy.
- Current Debts:
- Credit card balances accumulating high interest
- Car loan with an amount due exceeding the car's current value
- Subscription services contributing to financial burden
Key Problems Identified
- Lack of Budgeting: Sabrina struggles to maintain a budget and frequently does not know her account balances, leading to overdrafts.
- Financial Dependence: Reliance on her fiancé and parents for financial support.
- Mental Health Factors: Discussed anxiety around financial management leading to avoidance of checking accounts or budgets.
Suggestions from Host Caleb Hammer
- Financial Education Program: A recommendation for Sabrina to enroll in financial education classes to gain better budgeting and debt management skills.
- Therapy Sessions: Offer of connecting Sabrina with therapists to help her deal with spending anxiety and other underlying issues.
- Emergency Fund: Urged the importance of building an emergency fund to avoid reliance on parents during tough times.
Conclusion The episode concludes with a stark assessment of Sabrina's financial situation and the need for urgent change, emphasizing that her spending habits are adversely affecting her children's future.
Key Takeaways
- Financial Literacy is Crucial: Understanding the implications of debt and the importance of budgeting is vital for financial health.
- Impulse Control: Sabrina's admission of impulsive spending highlights the need for strategies to manage and reduce unnecessary expenditures.
- Accountability: Building awareness and taking responsibility for financial choices is essential in improving overall financial stability.
- Support Systems: While having a support system is important, over-reliance can hinder personal growth and responsibility regarding finances.
Resources Mentioned
- Kikoff: An app designed to help build credit with minimal effort ($5/month).
- Fizz: A debit card that helps build credit while only allowing spending of available funds.
- Caleb's Financial Classes: Courses for budgeting, investing, and managing debt, with a 15% discount for bundles available.
Next Steps
- Sabrina is encouraged to take actionable steps towards restructuring her financial habits, including lowering expenses, seeking better-paying job opportunities, and building a budget that accommodates her family’s needs.
Additional Links
- [Kikoff](https://getkikoff.com/caleb)
- [Fizz](https://www.joinfizz.com/caleb)
- [Caleb Hammer's Educational Programs](https://calebhammer.com)
These notes encapsulate the main discussions and salient points from the podcast episode, providing an insightful overview of the financial challenges faced by the guest, the expert advice given, and the crucial need for financial education and management.
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Transcript
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0:30in the description below. Hi, my name's Sabrina. I'm 24 years old. I live in Austin and this is financial audit. What do you do here for a living in Austin? I work at Zoomies. It's like a skate retail shop in the mall. Yeah, you would look like that. Okay. I would have thought vans, you know, one of those. Okay. Yeah. And what do you make in this position? What's your, what's your position at the retail place? I'm assistant store manager and I make$15 an hour. Okay. It's a little low for the Austin area. Yeah. I'll be honest. It's not good at all. Lots of entry level jobs, even at like coffee shops, like 16 even, and you're an assistant manager.
1:04How many hours a week are you getting? 40. Unless I work more. That's good. I do work more a lot. You get overtime? All the time. Overtime though. Yeah. You get overtime pay. Yeah. What is it? It's time and a half, like normal overtime. Okay. Very cool. So what do you work normally? I'd say an average of like 45. Okay. Yeah. 15 an hour. How much hits your account on a monthly basis? Average like$1 ,200 on a good check. I get like$1 ,300 to$1 ,400 because I make commission too. Oh, through selling some certain things? If I sell like more than$2 ,500, I make commission. And I'm pretty good at it.
1:43What do you think came in this last month? Just payroll? Just money from? I think like$2 ,500, somewhere around there. Maybe$1 ,000 more than that. Really? How do you not know? It was within your most recent statement. Is it the child support payment too? No. No. But obviously, so you have kids. I do. 15 bucks an hour with kids. How many kids? Kid or kids? Two kids. Multiple kids. Ages? Five and three. Okay. So you had a kid at 19 and then 21. Okay. So child support, that means you are no longer with the donor. No, we're divorced. Yeah. Divorced? You were married already. I was married. My goodness, where am I at 29?
2:27Am I losing this game of dating? Obviously. You're good, I think. You're good, right? Okay. Really? So what comes in child support? 835. Why do I have 1009? Your numbers are all different. I know, because something went wrong with his bank at his old job, and then he transferred it to a new one, so they sent me a random payment. and you say normally that hits your account for payroll is about 2 ,500 yeah I'd say how do you live in Austin with two kids on 2 ,500 well my fiance pays for like a good bit of our bills I pay half the rent and then whatever else I can help with like my car payment if your fiance is paying for a good half of the bills why are you overdrafting why are you missing payments why Why is everything here beyond f***?
3:23Not to the level of, oh, it's f*** because I have a lot of bad debt. No. Late payments overdrafting. It's beyond f***. Why? If he's taking care of some of the payments or you guys way over, she, okay, if you guys are way over living. I spend a lot of money. I spend a lot of money. I like to spend money. Uh-huh. So you say 2 ,500 hits your account. You feel confident about that number? Because again, I had 35. So you feel confident that normal is 25? A payroll. Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah. Just payroll. It was a three paycheck month. That's why. It was one of those rare three paycheck. Oh, you got me.
4:02Yeah. That's why. I am getting a new job, though, that pays more. Oh, what? It's a band of the retailer in the mall. Not a skate shop, but like more cash. What are you going to be making? 18 in an hour. Wow. Overtime? Yeah. Commission? No. No commission. Is it going to make up? I think so. I don't make really that much commission during the down period. So it's definitely going to average out better. Okay. Yeah. I mean, that's a good little jump. Yeah. Especially because I like to work a lot. Your fiance takes care of the bills. What does your fiance do when you guys get married? She's in tech and I don't know when we're going to get married.
4:39So she probably makes money. Yeah. She makes some money. What are you guys doing? What is like your guys' – Like what do we do with our money? are you guys together money are you guys so we have a together account and she has her own account and i have my own account and we have like a together like savings account that's where our bills come out of and your bills comes out of savings yeah does that make any sense no you're literally overdrafting in your checking account yeah why would bills be coming out of savings and if bills are coming out of savings anyway then why are we overdrafting if bills are coming out of savings well that's where i know there's going to be money for sure in the savings account so i had the bills why do we need multiple a trillion different accounts because again we are overdrafting and missing payments so why do we need to over complicate it's it's like an organization like the bills come in yeah and how's that organizing doing usually we organize so that we accomplish some kind of goal yeah well the goal was that if i keep it in that account that i won't transfer it out to spend it but then i i just transferred out anyway to like to spend checking to my spending checking to your spending checking we should have spending checking when we have two kids and a mountain of debt and we're missing payments i i i it's not realistic for me to not spend any money i'm not saying that but you have a whole spending account yeah that's just what i call it like a different spending account the spending account that you're overdrafting yeah but i put it in there after overdrafts like they get overdraft notifications so then i like put it back why wouldn't you spend only the money you have i'm confused well i have it it's a different account no then why then we need multiple that's what i'm sorry i'm a nervous laugher uh-huh a giggler yeah
6:30okay huh you're not a giggler now when i'm talking about someone literally f***ing their entire life. You have kids. This isn't about you. I know. I like it better. This isn't some cutesy little thing. Yeah. I just have a problem with spending. What is your... Okay, 18, that's not bad, but Austin is the most expensive city in Texas. What is your desired career path? Because I don't... Like, 18 is going to be hard to survive on two kids. Yeah, I mean, I want to continue in retail. Why? Specifically? That's okay, but why? I really love talking to people, like, and getting to find what they're looking for.
7:04Okay, go ahead. Like helping them find like something that makes them feel good an outfit that makes them feel good and like selling stuff that I believe in. So like I buy a lot of clothes. Sounds like maybe you could do sales and make much more. I mean it's sales. Yeah, but it sounds like you could do sales and make much more. Yeah. Like normal sales. But I don't want to sell like a car and then not be authentic. I'm not saying sell a car. There's a lot of things. You could be, listen, I'm not saying it's necessarily wrong. This is going to be really hard to get ahead especially with the mountain of death that you got yourself in.
7:33because I am so lucky to be in a position where I'm able to connect you with so many things. I can get you a course careers certification for tech sales. Then you can work in tech, just like the fiance. There's a lot of different things, but you can go a lot of different places. We could do a customer service one. There's a lot of different things where you're talking to a lot of people and you're not stuck at 18 an hour in the most expensive city in Texas. My dream is to have my own salon, like be a customer. That's completely different. Yeah, completely different. So what the f*** are we doing then?
7:59Well, I can still talk to people. and then yeah but why are we trying to do why are we forcing ourselves to stay in retail if that's our dream because i still love it okay like right now that's what i love to do eventually i would love to do hair because i cut my friend's hair and stuff let's say three thousand is going to come in okay okay through the new pay through everything all right and then eight fifty was it eight fifty for child support uh yeah eight hundred fifty okay so three thousand eight hundred fifty Cool how much did you spend in this last month I don't even know That's not an answer Probably like Close Probably two grand You spent two grand this last month Probably That's a lot of money Yeah You spent$8 ,319 So what the f*** are you talking about You don't know a single thing about your numbers obviously $8 ,000 really Yes$8 ,319 How in the world could you be off by $6 ,000?
8:57That is crazy. How possibly? And not even that, but it's more than double what you're going to make at your new job or on a three paycheck month job plus child support. Monday from the daddy. Well, that's on credit cards too, right? Dude, it's all spending. It's all spending. Well, I had opened a new credit card. You just opened a new card. Why would you be opening a new credit card? Two kids. Two kids. What's your retirement looking like? what's your retirement looking like you've been in retail forever so i have i was in restaurant management before i went to retail okay and i had a retirement fund with panera when i worked there and so after that i stopped working for a little bit whenever we moved here so the kids stayed with the kids uh-huh that didn't work out like i was in like a worse position so i started working again and then i don't know where that retirement fund you just can't contact contact panera See where they...
9:54Like their corporate? Yeah, just see where their 401ks are traditionally managed, and then they'll get you in contact with that management company. Yeah, I don't know how to move that over. Okay, so you're telling me there's probably like$1 ,000 in retirement? It's like closer to$3 ,000. $3 ,000 in retirement. Okay. Okay. But you're opening in a brand new credit card. Yeah, so... And instead of trying to make any progress towards any kind of... Because you're not contributing to retirement now, are you? At the skate shop. How long have you been at skate shop? for like seven months uh-huh so why are we opening a new credit card when we're not even contributing to retirement so i have kids i wanted to get the shoe rack by the front of my house um to put like the kids shoes in it's like an organizer to put the shoes in because like they were just thrown we don't retire so that we can organize shoes well i got it i was thinking that i was going to do like a payment plan on it like a clarina why uh because the shoes were a mess but your debt's already so out of control why does it have to be then instead of spending the money that you make well i always think that i'm gonna put like a bigger purchase on the card and i'm gonna slowly pay it so i don't have to pay it all like do you know do you understand interest um kind of it has zero interest for six months oh that new card yeah so you're gonna pay off something you made it sound like that that's just how you use credit cards that is how i use credit do you not understand interest no not really explain interest to me okay so you sign up with an interest rate and then if you don't pay off your balance they charge you the interest for the month kind of i mean yeah it's it's amateurized over the year down to the month okay so either way we i'll explain that when we actually get to one how much was the shoe rack 195 we opened a credit card to make 195 purchase well i also thought that having a higher credit utilization would be good for my credit.
11:46It is, but not if you used the entire thing. I wasn't planning on using the whole thing. You weren't planning on using... Wait, you ended up using more than just$190, whatever? Yeah. That's where a lot of spending is on. Well, I mean, that makes sense if we're literally spending double of the top side of our fucking income. That's not funny. No, it's not. Okay, so what? So we went to Vegas. No offense. In what world can you afford to go to Vegas? Well, you're not entitled to go to Vegas. You're not. It's the When We Were Young concert. The When We Were Young concert. The Vegas concert. I've never heard of that in my life.
12:25It's a tradition. It's all the emo bands. Yeah, we do it every year. It's all the emo bands that we listen to as teenagers. Why do you think that you can go? Well, we did a lot of it on the firm in Klarna so that we could pay it off slowly. And then... Who's we? Me and my fiance. I thought they made f***ing money. They do. So they, that I'm no, I'm not convinced that them making money is actually even like beneficial to them. I have a feeling if they're talking about Klarna and all these things, I have a feeling that they're just, they're just financing and doing all these extra things even more than you are.
13:03Not more. I'd say. Then why are they even doing it? You have cash. Well, we didn't have any cash available. Why wouldn't you? If you both are working. Well, we were planning on not going. You couldn't get$195 shoe rack. She works in tech, and that's at least a third of your hours. Well, so it was kind of that mindset of like that we put it on there and we can slowly pay it off instead of just paying all up front. Why did you not have the money is what I am asking. I probably spent it. Okay. What about your fiance? A lot of bills, I'd say. What's a lot of bills? What are we doing? What are the bills?
13:39What is our situation? What are we looking at today? how about that just what the okay no not even the beginning i want to know what are we looking at today okay so we have our rant that we split and then it's 2320 i'm not asking for numbers i'm just trying to figure out where are you just like what is what is your situation i have an impulse spending issue okay so this seems to be the issue with every single person on the show if you recognize it what are you doing to counteract it i i'm scared to look at it most of the time why everyone says that too well i get overwhelmed looking at it like i i look at it and i'm like i get panicky a little overwhelmed really you get all sweaty and stuff okay now i understand not looking at it because of like yeah it causes a lot of anxiety but why does that mean that we continue the worseness that i'm just used to it yeah but if you know if you look at your accounts from the history of this last month with your bad behavior that it would cause anxiety yeah then why continue that behavior if you know the next time you look at your accounts it would cause anxiety maybe instead we change the behavior for a couple months and then we feel more comfortable looking at the account because we know we've been doing okay so i've tried to do that where i'll get really good And then I like deprive myself of any kind of spending because I don't know what I'm not saying.
15:04I don't know what a good spending budget is. Like, I just don't factor that into when I'm looking at my bills and everything. I'm like, no spending, no spending at all. And then I do spend, of course. So we end up back here. And yeah, I try to do it. And and I deprive myself and then I get crazy and I buy a bunch of stuff. I'm obviously going to put you through our debt program our budgeting program to teach you the skills of how to do that but you have to do it on your own you have to take the education you have to take the quizzes there's a lot of things we're going to do and for the anxiety part I can do three free therapy sessions with Sondra mine as well I go to the psychiatrist well there we go but we can get you three sessions if you want as well and they can help focus on the money part there's I think a discount for the audience as well there's a lot of different things we can do There's a lot of different resources I have connections with that we can hook you up with.
15:59But you actually have to put in the work. You have to put in the work of talking to therapists about your issues when it comes to cutting back to zero. If you're not willing to look in an account and you're not willing to address whatever issues as a why you're not willing to look in an account, then we are never, ever going to fix this. It is simple as that. It's never going to be done. You are too afraid to ever get on there. Well, it's not just fear, too. I also don't have a lot of free time because I work a lot. So do you work like 45 hours a week when you work your normal week? But I have kids at home too, so.
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18:54You can also do it. I know you have a day off. Well, if I don't get like 9 hours of sleep. I know you have a day off. Yeah, I've run a lot of errands on my days off. Uh-huh. And isn't 10 to 6? No, that's 8 hours of sleep. Yeah, I need like 9 hours of sleep. Even still, I'm not saying deprive yourself in life whatsoever, but even just putting them down for having them watch a movie or a show for a couple hours every other week, that allows you to start making progress of this, huh? These are needy. I know. I'm just saying you can find a couple hours a month. A month. I'm not saying a day. I'm saying a month.
19:31And if you're not willing to do that, then you're never going to do this. And also look at them when you do it, because guess what? It's for them. Yeah. Your retirement is nothing. You're 24. It wouldn't be substantial anyway, but you're not on track for anything. You're not taking advantage of any kind of compound growth or any kind. Yeah. I mean, I'm forgetful when it comes to that stuff too. What stuff? Like budgeting. I'm just forgetful. No, that's why you have to take the programs and go through it and stick to the education. But being forgetful is not going to do anything. Are you forgetful of your kids?
20:00No. Well, guess what? If you're forgetful of your budget, you are f***ing them. So in a way you are. Okay? Yeah. Right now, you're investing that is instead going to bulls*** or going to Vegas or whatever it is and not in your checking account causing overdraft fees, not making debt payments causing late fees that should be in your retirement compounding so by the time you're ready to retire you have a couple million bucks which you could do even at 18 bucks an hour we could get there if we properly actually took advantage of time that's crazy amount of money it is but also you have to remember money is going to be worth about half what it is now by the time we retire but that's yeah well the Vegas thing was a lot there was there was a lot that went on there.
20:43What? Huh? What do you mean? So we weren't going to go at first. And then we decided that we were going to go because my chemical romance was going and, um, they don't, they don't tour often. They just opened a new tour, but they don't tour often. And they were playing the full black parade. So we decided that we were going to go, um, kind of like on a whim. It was like a month's notice. So we got the hotel on my PayPal card. Um, and then my fiance booked the flight. and then I got the tickets on the Klarna and then on what on Klarna yeah yeah one of my best
21:21but then so we got to the airport my friend dropped me off and it was the wrong terminal and there was a whole mix up with the tickets where we got there super late uh not our fault but we got there super late it was the wrong terminal and so we missed that flight and so So then my fiance, saying that I was upset, got a new flight. Did you have to pay for it? She paid for it on a firm. How the fuck? I just, I'm so, you guys, what? Do you not understand just money? Like the value of even a dollar. Why are you financing everything? It is hurting you and then you end up missing payments. Well, if we had to use the money that we were going to use in Vegas, we wouldn't have any money in Vegas.
22:00Because you obviously couldn't afford to go to Vegas. If you have to finance to go somewhere, you can't afford to go. Well, it wasn't, we weren't supposed to have to buy another flight. You already clarned the tickets. Yeah, we already had the tickets. You already clarned the tickets. You did not pay for them. You borrowed. We clarned the tickets and the hotel was on my credit card. Meaning you could not afford them. Yeah. How is this so complicated? Well, we were going to pay it off. And where are we in the world of paying things off? Missed payments, overcount, overdrafting. Yeah, the tickets are paid off.
22:35The other stuff, I haven't worked. When was this? This was October. Are you kidding me? Okay. So this just happened, meaning I probably wouldn't be able to stop you from going to one in January if there was. For fuck's sake. Self-assess, where do you think you are today? Zero to 10 in a financial score range. Zero being the absolute worst, 10 being the absolute best. Where do you think you are today? Oh, like a one. Yeah. Is that accurate? Probably. We'll see at the end. I'll give you your real score at the end. But the thing is, if you know you're one, just take five minutes to look at your damn accounts.
23:11Even I'm not even saying go deep death. Maybe you can tiptoe in to figure it out. But just even understanding you didn't know how much came in. You didn't know how much left. You don't know how much you spent. I'm not saying go through every purchase, but you didn't even know anything. And that is so dangerous. Yeah. I mean, I just get that like dopamine. I spend money. Oh, I know. I know. um i everyone knows well i started my new job too and i didn't have like clothes that would work super well new job the one the new retail job into me so i didn't have a lot in nine months ago yeah so well when i started that new job i got clothes that match the style because it's easier to sell if you're wearing the clothes that you sell you could have got just a couple and repeated them endlessly yeah well i i went over how much i know that seems to be how you do everything i did look into how much i spent and it was like four grand in the last seven months of clothes and shoes i got shoes too every once in a while i'll buy a gift from there as well because i get half off you get a half off but you just can't afford to spend money i don't think that's what so many people don't realize that end up in your position it's just because you see a discount or just because you can see a justification why does not mean it all of a sudden mathematically actually makes sense in the end you are literally missing payments well i get half off because i make the top sales congratulations and guess what you make the top overdrafting yourself like you win that competition too in your own life all right yeah
24:49if i don't laugh i'll cry so can cry then take it seriously i can't I can't I can't cry I'm not a crier if I get depressed it's make it very hard to cry but anyway yeah you watch your hammer financial score it's free link in the description below and also feel free to come on the show Austin Texas it's a fun little experience but I'll also get you some verbal punches and then connect you with a lot of resources and we'll figure out your financial situation go to calebhammer.com slash apply easy application it's apple card I mean Just a start is huge for your income situation. It's huge. I mean, it's your literal monthly income with child support and better job.
25:30That's crazy. Why the fuck is why do you why is it so high? Well, it used to be more. It used to be. I used to have a minimum payment of like seventy five hundred or a minimum maximum amount. Yeah. Allowed spending amount. That's what I was looking for. Credit limit. Credit limit. Thank you. And then I paid a good bit on it and they lowered my credit limit after I paid it. Yeah, because you can't be trusted with it. You can't be trusted because you're not a credit card person. So, yeah. I mean, usually I use it to spend on because I get points back, like a cash back. You people. You people. That's going to kill me.
26:18That is going to kill me.
26:23Oh, the credit card industry has won. They won the war, guys. I mean, they won. The fact that you think you're getting, it's 1.5 % daily cash back because the Apple card, I have the Apple card. It's fine because every once in a while I need to get something in Apple. Look, I got a little Apple watch. Woo. But guess what? Your interest rate, what is it? What is it? What is it? What is it? 26.74. So you're getting 1.5 % cash back and then you're paying an extra 25%. so what the f**k it pays for like my little work baby no no no no no it is not because again you are paying hold on do we have to can I have the whiteboard can I have the whiteboard with a marker I need to I must have to draw this out thank you visuals are helpful for me
27:261.5 is smaller than 28. If both of these happen at the same time, what's the difference? 28 minus 1.5. What's the difference? What is it? You have kids. You teach them what's the difference. Yeah. Well, what's the difference? It's like the minimum. What's the difference? Hey, man. What's the difference? Yeah, it's smaller. What's the difference? Yeah. 28 minus 1.5. What's the difference? Oh, I'm not good at math. 28 minus 1.5. Take away one from eight. 26.5. Woo! I'm 24 years old. So there's your delta. You are getting an extra 26.5 % fee. Because every time people like you say, I'm getting money.
28:18and now you're trying to say but it gets you a little drink but but but it's not because again you are losing 26.5 26.5 is what you are losing it is actually preventing you from getting more drinks how much is a drink uh it's like 250 okay so next to my work so uh 2050 cents yeah and i get starbucks in the morning you get starbucks every morning every morning that i work and you probably work five times a week yeah okay someone needs to shoot you well it get you get good rewards too like you get a free drink after after you spend what it's 100 stars every star dollar so 100 100 dollars you get a free drink and um 100 100 you spend 100 dollars and you get like 200 2.50 so you get like uh 2.5 dollars so you get an eight okay so you get like a little eight percent thing little little 8 % for every hundred you spend right then you get right well you do the reload on the app and then um you reload like the ten dollars whenever you order on the app and then you subtract the drink and then eventually girl math you get a free drink oh shut the f*** up that's a joke right you're not actually girl mathing no it's no it's a joke but it's true you get like a you get an extra drink but you don't have to reload that you don't understand the thing is so okay so it's what yeah you get a free drink oh yeah i'm between like multiple examples right now my brain is not eight dollars a drink so you get 12 drinks you get essentially 12 drinks 12 drinks i could get you 12 cups of coffee at home for 10 dollars 10 dollars i don't get to sleep as much huh make coffee at home i wake up earlier you have to stop to starbucks before you get to work that takes time well what the f*** are you talking about an app and then it's like already right but you still have to wait whatever line is there what the f*** are you talking about you could have to hey you could have the pre-brew coffee you could set it up the night before or you can even f***ing cure I get you can still get 10 with it or yeah well a pod can't be it's like 50 cents a pod right you know how much you're saving what's bigger 50 cents or eight dollars a dollar uh-huh so you have to spend 166.67 in order for that 1.5 percent to equal one of your two dollar and 50 cent drinks at work okay okay well i right right right yeah but actually every time you spend that 166.67 over the course of the year after the delta of the 26.5 interest rate right is what we agreed is in between right right correct right are we following yes it's really not you are literally losing 44 that's on that's what makes up like the minimum payment again to you you think you get two dollars and fifty cents after 166 dollars of purchase you're actually losing 44 let's do this over the course of a year oh over a year that is 17 and a half of your drinks at work.
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32:42I don't always buy on this card. Does that make sense? Yeah. I'm trying to make the math work for you. Do you understand? That because the 28 is larger than the 1.5 with the 26.5 in the middle, with the money you are losing purchasing on this cart, that you are getting free stuff, you're actually losing your ability to purchase 17 drinks that you could have if you just used cash. Does that make sense? I never carry cash. A fucking debit card. Come on, dude. Come on, dude. It could be a credit, a debit card. A debit card you could. You can also put debit card on a f***ing Apple Pay. Yeah, I do have it on there, too.
33:24But it takes longer to... Then it would be that! Why'd you have to f***ing say that, then? Because it takes longer to transfer it from my bank. Oh, my gosh. Who gives a f***? Who gives a f***? You're going to use one account instead of making things overly complicated. For every single... But, but, but, but, but... You say there is a simple solution. There's a simple solution. I'm... I feel like it goes a lot faster if I keep it all in my checking. Because then it's, like, readily available. Oh, I'm going to give this back to Mama Lindsay. because I'm just going to keep hitting it. This is ridiculous.
33:52That is crazy. Jake is telling me, if you like espresso, if you want to make a little special, pretty little drink, you can get a mocha pot for 15 bucks and it's close enough. There you go. A what? Mocha. M-O-K-A pot. I don't know, but he knows. And he likes coffee. Yes, and you can put in a little mocha and get a little frother for five bucks. She has a fucking espresso. I'm going to punch a hole through this table. They have the good syrups. You don't give a shit. Kids. I do. No, you care about Starbucks more. No. Yes. That is what you're doing. No, you care about Starbucks more. You care about your sweet little dopamine hat.
34:31Then their future. They could have a college fund. They could have a college fund. Their mom could retire without having to go to their kids saying, I can't afford to live. I need help. And having to put their lives on hold in order to take care of you. You're actually choosing you getting Starbucks. over them that is how it is actually working out in the end do you see them in the moment absolutely not but that is how it is working out in the end and that is what you are doing yeah i i want to do better for them i really do okay then why haven't you it's hard it's hard it's hard to give up the little yes yes positive things in life positive outcomes big goals they require hard things they require some sacrifices yeah okay okay i will allow you to use the fizz card it's another one of our resources but at least it's a debit card that builds credit you talked about utilization for one or credit age whatever you mentioned if you're going to use something you can use that because it helps build credit but it only allows you to spend what's actually in your checking account and we know that you cannot manage for a single second what is in your checking account.
35:37So it'll at least do that for you. Yay. It's a fizz card. Is it good? Yes, I just explained. Okay.
35:48Oh, good. We went to Spirit Halloween twice there. Oh, good. Oh, good. We did it.
35:59You didn't pay off. You didn't pay off the concert tickets. You didn't pay off the concert tickets. Concert tickets. You lied to me. I did pay it off. No, you didn't. Yes, I did. No, you didn't. I did. Hey, shut the fuck up. No, you didn't. Because here's the thing. You carnet it, so you debted it. Wonderful. In order to pay for your debt, you put it on your credit card. So you debt paid your debt. You debt paid your debt. You did not pay for it because now it is on this balance that is accruing interest. I transferred it from the bank and then paid it. like I made the you can see the transfers on there like I made the transfer and then I made the payment because it wasn't enough on the card to pay it so that's not even you making that extra payment that's just you not having enough on the card to even make the bill what's the point you could have paid for it in your checking account what's the point I signed up for it on there so I could get the extra points we just went over points at the time it was extra points Now it's a lot of extra interest Yeah You lost$82 this month in interest Yeah that's why I had to pay To be able to use the card That's why I had to pay to be able to use the card again Because Do you not realize how f*** that is If you have to pay because the interest is so high Because you leave such a big balance on there In order to make another f***ing purchase On a credit card Are we not in a f***ing situation Do you not understand how that would be considered f***ing If the interest on the money that is already there is so big that it is pushing us to our limit and the only way to be able to spend on our credit card is by paying off a little bit of it yeah we're probably just does it not make sense it's the minute i have to make the minimum payment anyway at the beginning of yes i know oh my gosh that's not the same thing as you putting a little extra so you can put it right back on which will then just accrue the interest again 82 dollars congratulations you could have got 32 of your special little work drinks just in the interest of crude in one month it's just like that also gone taken away from you taken away from you because you are choosing to spend on here even after you make payments well it takes a long time to pay it off are you ever how are you going to survive in this world no yeah yes i know it takes longer to pay off when you spend more on it well technically i'm not spending more on it because i'm making the payment yes you are yes you are because the interest is accruing allowing it to still go up okay yeah well you're still making it net go up you have lost it's borderline a thousand dollars this year so far you can't afford that you do not make enough money to lose a thousand hours a year that That is a substantial percentage of your income to just lose the interest on one of many things we're talking about today.
38:57One. You can't do that. $1 ,000,$2 ,050, you could have got$400 of your work drinks. 400 of your work drinks. Literally in just the interest you lost from this one card because you don't know how to manage it. And you don't know how to manage it. And then your excuse for putting purchases on there is, well, you know, I made, I took it down from the absolute credit limit so I can put my money on there while interest is accruing. No, this is a f***ing joke. This is what a child does with their money. And you actually have real children, okay? And you're going to pass this s*** on to them because that's what happens.
39:32You're not going to be able to do the things you want to do when your max gets, your debt gets completely maxed out and you no longer have the ability to spoil them the ways they want to. And they're going to learn real hard and real quick what happens when things get f***ed. And we already know you've been married. So you follow the statistics of, yeah, not every marriage works out. What, only 50 % of them? Cool, congratulations. You need to protect yourself. I'm not saying you guys aren't going to get married. I'm not saying you guys are going to get divorced. But you've already proven early in adulthood that sometimes it happens.
40:02And it is good for you to have a little bit of protection. What would happen without the large part of the income of the household right now? What would happen? You wouldn't be able to pay on your debts. You wouldn't be able to survive. And yet you have the kids and the child support hardly covers anything. You are putting your children in a risky position that is unnecessary and honestly quite disgusting because of where you are spending your money. All for Starbucks, all for whipped cream, caffeinated juice. All that. Well, yeah, it's more important. If we if, you know, God forbid, we didn't work out like I know my parents would let me move in with them, too.
40:39Why are we talking about our parents being our fucking fallback? It is okay to help people when they go through hard situations, but you get yourself in a good position where you don't have to rely on others. Not expect to rely on others. You rely on others only when there is no other opportunity. Yeah. All right. You know I'm all about helping you avoid messing up your finances. So let me tell you about the Fizz card. If you're a college student or you're just not a credit card person, listen up. Fizz is a total game changer. And it's a debit card! It's the best way to build credit and budget your money.
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41:58And as a bonus for my audience, the first 10 ,000 people who sign up and use code HAMMER10 get a$10 sign-up bonus. Try out Fizz today and let me know what you think. Are you serious? That's gross. That is so gross. That is you literally never maturing beyond a 15-year-old. If you think I can just rely on mommy and daddy for my entire life if something were to go to bed. Huh? Huh? Help me. No shit. And that is okay. That is okay. But that is on the last straw. You are not preventing yourself from being in that position. That should not be your emergency fund is mommy and daddy. No, you have something set up.
42:33And if everything goes to absolute shit and your parents want to help you, of course. But it would be enabling bad behavior if they did help you because you never set yourself up for any kind of protection if something were to go bad. Because they're just allowing you to be a permanent 15-year-old your entire life. Yes, somehow you have kids. Yeah. Are they in your life financially right now? My parents? Mm-hmm. Yeah. What? My mom helps me pay for groceries. Oh, good. So that she can go to Starbucks every day, mom. I think we should probably call her in the post show. We should probably call her in the post show and let her know because she needs to cut you off.
43:08She's enabling your bulls**t. What else? Well, she lets me Instacart groceries to the house. Mostly for the kids. She lets you be extra lazy. Oh my f**k. And kids food and then every once in a while it's stuff for me too. And then I'm supposed to buy my own groceries but sometimes I get really busy so I just eat. Busy standing in the line at Starbucks. We're working too. You work 45 hours a week. Welcome to what everyone else does, even those with kids. You're not even a single parent. I yeah not technically single parent um does the fiance help yeah yes then not even close to technically um and then if something comes up like an emergency um my parents will help me with that too that's an enablement listen if they're grandkids and that's probably the extra hard part but people in your position need to fall on your ass so you actually know what it's like down there you've never felt it you've only bounced on the trampoline instead of hitting the ground because of their support system and it's allowed you to think that our emergency fund isn't important it doesn't require any sacrifices in order to build up any kind of safety net in order to protect me and my kids that's actually going to hurt you when your parents are gone then all of a sudden something bad does happen and then you can't take care of your kids they're the ones that get that gift your parents are enabling you and it's bad it's bad they don't know it's bad they're doing it actually from a good place of their heart yeah they just don't understand and it's it's you don't even know you need to have your ass hit the ground and you've never felt it before you've never felt the value of a dollar you don't i work really hard for my you work hard you work 45 hours a week calm down it is hard and it's hard okay then oh then then we all work hard congratulations okay okay okay i've worked so many 40 hour jobs a week okay we all do this it happens and i was doing sales i was doing what like 50 60 you know working in the evenings making sure closing those sales cool cool cool cool wonderful good for me yay i'm not fucking about it um but not balancing that with the kids don't get me wrong that is difficult but the thing is your money that could be going to groceries could be going to cooking all these things could be covering emergency buses literally going to you that you can spend eight dollars a day at starbucks and that you can spend a dollar fifty cents for your second drink of the day at work and then i'm sure you have a little evening sweet treat because you always probably do It's mostly energy drinks.
45:25Let's move on to the next card. $121 minimum fee payment on that Apple card, by the way. Oh, good. The Discover is somehow higher. Oh, no, it's not that.
45:38Your Discover is literally over the credit limit. But we think we can go to the Starbucks every day. Well, then you go to Starbucks every day. A lot of finance YouTubers are like, oh, never go to Starbucks. Invest it in stuff. I'm not even that person. Go to Starbucks. when you can afford an emergency if something bad would happen in life. And as long as you are making sure that you're at least putting some aside for retirement and you don't have high interest debt, you're over the max on a credit card and you're going to Starbucks every day. That is not acceptable. You are not entitled to that.
46:07I don't know who you think you are and why you think your life and your sweet treat is more important than your kids. That's what actually pisses me off and why I'm being a bit rambunctious this episode is because this isn't just affecting you. It's affecting two people that did not have a choice to be brought into this world. You are f***ing their future and putting them at risk. And it's disgusting.
46:29Well, normally that's not over the limit. I just missed the payment. Normally it's not over the limit. It's over the f***ing limit and that's all I care about. That's all that's there. Is it's over the limit. Yeah. I missed the payment on that one so it went over just a bit. Now why are we missing payments? well I forgot about that one that one just like went over my head a little bit we can forget I missed the cut off for it to be on time and then it went over the credit limit because of that why is it on autopay I don't do autopay really on most things because you don't know how much money is in your account ever because we don't budget because we don't look at our accounts because looking at our accounts is scary because we miss payments it's a revolving circle you make it worse it makes it harder to look at it and you don't look at it makes it worse this is what's always going to happen there's tissues right there if you need it i appreciate the fact that emotions are actually hitting that is important i am not here to try to make the emotions hit but the fact that it's actually landing and the wake-up call which is the purpose of the show is actually working is a positive sign not that i would want anyone to shed tears it is okay to cry i'm not usually exactly but it is you are having it maybe we're thinking about the kids we're seeing how this is actually negatively affecting our kids for the first time in our life and maybe that's an important thing because maybe that's the kick the fire you need under your ass is actually seeing that oh wow this is not just impacting me this is impacting them and maybe that's actually what you get you to change your behavior and that is not a bad thing that is not a bad emotion to have that is very natural yeah i want to do better for them i do i want to do better for them i have a good example for them how long were you with your ex the the father of the kids was your ex-husband how long were you guys together uh five years okay what happened um it's kind of a long story uh so he went he wanted to do the military and then he was like he knows i'm like very codependent like really attachment style so he was like get a girlfriend uh while i'm gone you know like it's okay like it was kind of an open situation yeah And then we got together and when he came back, he didn't really want to be a part of that anymore.
48:43So he left. Rip. Yeah, rip that marriage. Here we are. I'm happy now. Well, that's good. Discover at$5 ,413.83. It's a minimum payment. It's a lot. It's more than a fourth of your... Oh, no, no, no, no. I did that math wrong. Well, hold on. What did I do? No, it's more than an eighth of your entire net income. Actually, probably gross even. What is it? What is it? $502. I think that has the last month amount too. Like a past two as well. Yeah. How long does this... If you just make your minimum payments, no purchases. If you didn't make any purchases, because you're getting enough. I froze it.
49:31Because... I froze it too. Good. But how long does this take to pay off if you actually pay your minimum monthly payments? How long does it take to pay off? All of that? Yeah, just this credit card. If you don't miss your minimum monthly payments, how long does it take to pay off? Probably years. Like five years? Five years. Yeah, you'd be old. Be old. You'd be, well, you'd be my age. I guess I'm not that old. You'd be 29. Five years, right? Yeah. I feel like I'm getting old. I'm having a little 49 prices. Yeah, you'd actually be 44. Oh. It takes 20 years to pay off And that's if you don't miss payments And you're missing payments Yeah Well I just thought that paying the monthly minimum 44
50:14Setting up the second half of our life 44 Just for some fun little starby spending When we were in our early 20s Thinking we're being cutesy And getting a sweet little drink via girl math All because of that paying a minimum monthly payment while having basically no retirement at 44. Yeah, that's when I'll be having that fun midlife crisis. Yeah, the crisis is now. And if you don't see that yet, your credit score is basically, it's barely over 500s and over the 500s. You're lucky. You're lucky it's in the sixes. Yep, late fee, 41 bucks. So it's probably like a$250 normal minimum payment. You got to make that back.
51:00Okay. Plus the fee is$41. I mean, let's see here.
51:10Gosh, I don't want to rage into you because I see that it's actually starting to work. I see that it's actually starting to work and I don't do it just to like hurt or anything. I need it to, I need you to get the wake up call and you're starting to get it. So it's just like, okay. But the thing is, the thing is, we're only two accounts in. You've likely missed three to four payments this year so far with how many fees have at this account. Like, we're talking a quarter or more of the year you've not made payments. This is not acceptable. This is not what an adult does, and you are many years into adulthood now.
51:44You are not 15. You are not mommy and daddy's little girl anymore. You're not. And the fact that they enable this is disgusting. They don't know it. They're doing it nicely. but it is yeah i three to four missed payments this year i'm forgetful that's not an excuse it's not you can have auto pay but then you have to have your checking account figured out and by that you actually have to look at it there's so many alternatives that we can do there's a whole path we can go down that is it doesn't matter if you're forgetful you can be okay here forgetful is not an excuse it's not they have systems in place for you to be forgetful and still make your payments yeah that forgetfulness is like yeah it's really bad with money four of 11 months this year four of 11 months this year i don't know it's that many months well it is in a thousand five hundred hours loss in interest so now two thousand five hundred two cards two thousand five hundred it's what comes in via payroll on a single month for you you've lost a month of income and interest on only two accounts we've looked at so far, a month of income.
52:54Yeah, I guess I don't really understand interest, how that works. So this is at an interest rate of 27.49. Whatever your balance is on there, essentially take that, figure out what 27.49 % of it is, take that, divide it by 12, because that's how many months, it's amortizing across the year period. And that is what you're charged on that monthly basis. So the balance, your next interest payment is likely going to be, with the current balance on this card, of$5 ,413.83. Cool. So we're going to take that, times that by.2749. Wonderful. And it basically comes out to the interest you've paid this year.
53:35So that's obviously no shock. divided by 12 probably in 124 dollars of interest accruing on this next month which is very similar to your previous balance which is lower because because before you missed your payment of 140 dollars 120 dollars being lost so your interest is actually going up because you're not making a payment because the balance is getting larger does that make sense does the interest go up if you leave it like longer than it yes well uh huh so if it's been like a few years ago that some of the purchase the higher the balance goes up that's all that matters is the balance the higher the balance is and if you miss payments the balance goes higher because you get fees and you miss the payment so you're not making progress towards it right okay so it doesn't matter if it's from like years ago because i definitely had that card for a while no that just shows a pattern of behavior which is also why we're i just want to give you an example listen this morning i bought some S &P 500 in my brokerage account, my Moo Moo brokerage account, it's the investing app I use.
54:41This year, it's done 20 % S &P 500 return, which is an incredible year. It averages about 10 % a year. The interest on this card alone is 27. You're even in one of the best, I think it's considered the best year so far this millennium of the S &P 500 performance at like 22 % or something like that, even maybe 24, no matter what, even with the best year this millennium, the interest on one credit card you have is worse than that that's how bad this is meaning no investment you ever make unless you get some random startup investment which basically no chance of that no investment you make will ever outweigh how bad this is for your money and then we have a car yeah oh a 21 400 balance on your income how in what world when did you get that what even is the car it's a 2019 honda crb i bought it used what was the purchase price when uh it was a couple years ago there's still 44 months remaining on it and you purchased it 12 years ago i'm gonna die i got a good interest rate on it i think you told me it was a good interest rate they told you it was a good interest rate i don't have an interest rate on here what is it I think it's 4.7%.
56:00That's not horrendous, but you have a balance you cannot afford with a minimum monthly payment. You cannot afford. This minimum monthly payment, again, is over an eighth of your good version of take-home pay after child support with your new job. Right now, it's almost a fourth.
56:20Right now, it's almost a fourth of your current income. This is crazy. I paid more when I got the car. What are you doing? Restaurant management. You might have to do that again. It's stressful. I don't care because you're stressed at looking into an account. So you need to choose to stress. And I think you might need to make more income and then also just not spend as much. $21 ,344 balance is insane for you. What's the car worth? I don't know. $17 ,000. So you're underwater by$4 ,000. Yikes. Yeah. It's actually not the worst, but it's still not great. Yeah. I had a smaller car that I traded in.
56:58But it's clear as day why you cannot afford this. Because, again, our mother passed due. Two accounts in a row. Yeah, that was because I thought that I could split it into two payments of the month. But that second payment came after the due date. It's as clear as day that you can just not afford this. You can't afford the last credit card. You don't know what you're able to afford. You don't know. You can't afford this. It is clear as I really need a bigger car because the car seats and everything. And I have two dogs. So if we go anywhere, you don't need. I think the dogs need to be washed. And I have two dogs.
57:39I love my would take them everywhere as well. But like we can't put getting evicted, you know, a potential eviction. If things go wrong, that's, you know, I think. It's OK to have a slightly smaller car, being able to take the kids everywhere still. Yeah, I think that's OK. if it avoids being evicted. Buddy, my parents had three kids and I fucking rode around in a small ass sedan my entire life. Cars are getting bigger and bigger and bigger. What did you think everyone has done forever? Even the cabins of trucks used to be like this big and they fit like six people in there before. A kid would sit in the middle up front and then three in the back.
58:17What are you talking about? This is not some unique thing. Well, at the time there were three adults. You are trying. you are trying to justify this and it is not going to work. You need to realize it is bad because you will try to justify it again in the future. This will feel too small and then you'll have to get a bigger one or something. You'll have to get a bigger place to live. The kids are growing. We did get a bigger place to live. We did get a bigger place to live when we lived here. And what's the total rent? $2 ,320.
58:48It's a third of your income. Is your half? My half. Yeah. If you didn't have a fiancé, you'd be done. you'd be done if i had my parents you didn't have your fiance oh you're right you're because because we're gonna rely on our parents instead of being responsible ever it's very cute so 538 minimum payment but of course we owe double that because we're behind a payment this is insane these are the acts of a child this is these are the because your parents have supported you forever through any time this is it is as clear as day that you just don't even not only do you not respect the dollar you just don't understand the dollar you are ignorant to the dollar you think you can afford so much more because you've never had to actually be responsible with money because your parents have just babied you forever i'm the baby i'm the youngest two brothers yeah you have kids so i don't give a i don't care anymore it's not about you anymore yeah it's not about you anymore did you start dating your fiance while your ex-husband was overseas No, it was like before he left.
59:59And it was just like. You were dating before he left still. So while you were with your husband, you were dating your current fiance. Yeah. They were friends. They were friends? After the fact, they were friends. Like everyone got along. So it was a good situation until he just didn't want to do it anymore. I'm sure he had a couple of fun evenings. No, never that. Oh, never mind. Poor guy. he really got the end of it kicked down didn't even get to have fun okay paypal credits only gone up great because we made a little over minimum monthly but it doesn't matter minimum is 57 paid 151 that's awesome congratulations that's a good job wonderful lovely i love it more than anything in the world oh but then you purchase 638 dollars 52 cents so it doesn't matter and then oh we're at the credit limit it's four thousand uh 36 dollars on here credit limit is four thousand one So you're at it with$17.73 of interest accruing.
1:01:03Wonderful. It takes 16 years to pay off without purchasing and doing the minimums. But you always purchase. That one's hard because the online shopping is. Apple bills, subscriptions, Apple bills, Apple bill. Yeah. Apple bill for Apple bills. That was. Target and Roge. That's Rogue. Oh, Rogue is a clothing brand. You get a discount. count look like an emo animal for the rest of your life I don't care an affliction collab that my store didn't get so I bought it off oh my gosh you just don't have money you don't have money why do you get this why do you think you deserve because you don't because your parents because your parents a lot of this comes down to your parents honestly I blame them for a lot of this it is 100 % your fault but it's an additional 15 % their fault what a joke It's f***ing.
1:01:53Because they destroyed your entire early adulthood. Oh, there's more and more Target and Target and Target. What are we getting from Target for$11.91? That was nail polish. I bought nail polish. What about all the other little purchases? Oh, the other ones were I was redecorating my room because my room was empty. Your room? Don't you have a fiance? Yeah, our room. Have her do it. She's the one with money. well it was does she know her fiance is literally underwater dramatically yeah she knows what is you guys even conversation about money do you does she know your financial situation well she sounds a lot like you when we're talking uh she's yeah you do nothing uh i yeah i get kind of defensive when i talk to her i like we have like an unbiased opinion on it unbiased you is what i I would say unbiasedly.
1:02:46Yeah. So you're being stupid with your spending. You've had missed payments this year so far on this card. Probably two. I don't think I missed. Yes, you have. Yep. Yes, you sure have this year. Absolutely. Or over the credit limit fees. I don't know, but you've had, well, it looks like two missed payment fees. So well done. You don't even know. So yeah, let's redecorate our room. We miss payments constantly and we're over and behind on our car and that gets behind enough and the car gets repoed. We lose the car. We can't get to work. Oh, no, we don't have money. See how this works? See how this works.
1:03:1930 % interest on here. What are we doing? What are we doing? So your fiance is right. She's right. Do you know her financial situation? She doesn't have any debt. She's smart with her. How are you guys going to get married? You're going to be an anchor. Well, that's also another reason why I'm not ready to get, like, officially married. Because I don't want to drag her down. And then some of the Target is also like buying toys for Christmas or for my kids. The Target say no to them. And then we have a separate Target card. Yeah. Well, you get 5 % if you use the Target card. What have we learned?
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1:05:15Even the small ass balance of$1 ,000 as far as credit cards go. Six years. It still takes six years to pay off. You have no idea the consequences of everything you have done. You have no idea. And that is why you are swiping with no fears. Welcome to the real world and what is actually happening. These numbers. and you'll never know unless your parents get you off. Oh, good. We're at the max. We're at the limit because the limit's$1 ,100. $38 minimum payment. Wonderful. They didn't give me much on that one. Nor should they. $26 of interest is accruing plus more, 80 cents.
1:05:56It's a lot of light fees on that one. You may have been late on every payment this year so far on this card. you may legitimately have been late on every payment this year so far on this card every month every month this year i mean i kind of have a reason that you go to starbucks every day your reason hey five days a week you go to starbucks eight dollars every time you go to starbucks congratulations that's 160 dollars to starbucks every month your minimum monthly payment is$38 you have no reason not a single reason of all but go ahead and try well it's so the payment date is on like the fourth and that's like right after rent so usually rent hits and I have to pay my half the rent and then I have no money you'll be pay early a budget figure out don't have more than a billion different accounts again a lot of the solutions involves you just Again, if you would have the money, the rent wouldn't take all the money.
1:07:03You would have extra money if you weren't spending$160 a month on Starbucks. Is that a crazy amount of money? No. But for your financial situation, it's obscene. It's obscene. You're missing every payment on this card this year so far. You did not get to have a little sweet treat. You already have an espresso and your fiance will buy you pods if you ask. yeah I should probably say yes if I ask is working in retail even smart for you you can't not spend money while you're in retail sounds like you're in a mall so you're just gonna be stopping swiping swiping you probably don't make it to your store without orgasming from swiping somewhere sorry yeah I mean it's really what I love to do though it's what you love to do that's your passion is shopping all year no not shopping but working in retail I don't care right now I don't care.
1:07:57Or you're working retail in a strip mall where you have to live on car dependence and misery. You'll have Target. Work at fucking Target in a strip mall. In a strip mall. Oh, like the little shopping center. Yes, we're middle-aged moms on benzos. They're just picking up random things to try to fulfill their empty lives. Yeah. Well, I mean, I try to save money on. You don't try to do anything. What are you talking about? Because I take my Stanley cups to work and I fill them with water so I don't have to buy water bottles anymore. Congratulations. You literally did the most basic thing that every human already does.
1:08:41Are we high fiving? Where's the big celebration? Where's confetti coming from the ceiling? If you buy the limited drop. Do we have fireworks set up for this occasion, guys? edition you can resell it for more and i have sold wait wait wait wait what are you telling me what are you telling me are you saying you buy stanley's ongoing you made it sound like you bought a stanley to not get water bottles what are you saying right now uh so i buy the stanley's that come out you buy ongoing and then i sell them if they're like a good drop how is there a good job what if they're not a good job then i keep them oh how often are you doing this i have how often well it depends on if the drop is going to be how often probably like every other month you can't afford this you can't afford life you don't understand you are pretending you make 130 000 hours a year that's how you're living i'd be afraid if you actually did make 130 000 because then you'd be spending like you make 250 i don't even know how I can bat that.
1:09:45That's just, just stop. Simply stop. Why have that risk? Just why have that risk? You are missing every payment on this card. I don't give a about a Stanley resale. I don't give a I don't give a I see you almost starting to talk, but I do not give a I don't. You are missing every payment this year so far on this target card. I don't give a about reselling a Stanley cup. It's as simple as that. I don't give a... I give a about your kids. How about that? So, $500 stolen from you and fees and interest this year so far on this card. So, across all the cards, what are we at? We're at... With fees and interest, we've lost $3 ,500 this year so far.
1:10:38Okay. So, now you've lost a month, an entire month of your new Brand new income plus child support. Gone. Taken from you. Obliterated. Destroyed. Ruins. Baylor Scott and White. $25. Why aren't we making a$25? What's wrong? Oh, so that's not the entire balance, is it? No, it is. No, no, no. Okay, sorry. That's my payment. Payment. So you got on a payment plan. Yeah. That's fine. I'm okay with getting on a medical payment plan when you need. So$25. It's for my psychiatrist. $300. So won't that just build forever? I don't really know how that works. I didn't used to get billed for it, and at some point they started billing me.
1:11:18Did your insurance change? Yeah, my dad's insurance changed. Well, that would probably be why. Yeah. Don't you think that would probably be why? Probably. Well, you said for some reason. I think that's a f***ing reason. Yeah. Okay. I'm here, too. Okay. How often do you go? To the psychiatrist? Once a month. Okay, how much does each visit? I think they're, well, they wanted me to pay$90 to go to my next one, so I didn't get to go. Sounds about right. Yeah. Cool. You're on your dad's health insurance? Yeah. You're not going to be in a couple years, so what does your work offer? I don't know what the new work offers.
1:11:54Ask. Yeah. I believe they offer. Maybe it's better for you. Maybe you get on a higher cost plan on a monthly basis, but it actually saves you more because you go in so often. But I'm okay with the medical payment thing. It's fine. I'm not against that. What I'm scared about is if you never pay your$90 in this, and it is always a$25 minimum payment, but we're adding$90 to it every time, it'll be an infinite debt that never gets paid off. And that I don't like. That is scary. We have an additional$556 out of the Baylor, Scott and Wayne. So what's this now? I got in a car accident. When? Like a month ago.
1:12:30It wasn't that bad, but I had to get an X for my neck, and that's what that was from. Are you on a monthly yet? I think that their insurance is supposed to pay for it. Okay, then I'm going to cross it off for now. Their insurance? Who's their insurance? The person who hit me. Oh, gotcha. I don't know how to send that to them, though. Is that all the debt? There's one more card. A Wells Fargo card. Did I misplace it? There's a lot of Wells Fargo accounts there. Oh, sh**. But, oh, there it is. I did misplace it. I didn't even know this one existed
1:13:10I actually have a reason why that one is Yeah you have a lot of reasons and they've all been bullshitting so far but go ahead So I did their hardship program I guess they closed the account I didn't know that's what they were going to do Yeah why would they trust you? And then I asked them to set up a auto payment for the minimum and I don't think they did it right because it hasn't been coming out. It looks like you're still on it. You're not getting consequences for not making a payment. But you are. No, yeah, no, you're past due. Past due$93. I even made the payment and it said that I was still past due.
1:13:48So I'm a little cunt. Well, you're probably past due a lot and you didn't make up the full amount. You were past due. Oh, over the credit limit? No, no, no. You may have been past due even more and you didn't fully make it up. But also the over the credit limit, yes.
1:14:04You're at 1 % interest. It's the hardship program. Yeah. No, you're lucky. Well, Targo's actually very nice for doing this to you because you're not necessarily. It was a college-backed cash card, so that was my first card. So maybe they're more forgiving of their hardship program. At this point, they just want their money back. Oh, for f***ing sake. Yeah, we've missed every payment this year so far. again plus$600 of interest accrued we're now at like$4 ,000 in interest which is over your better version of your income plus child support so it's all it's all about$4 ,250 now that's where we are a year has gone losing over a month of your better version of your future income or two months of your current You've lost two months of your current income.
1:15:00Two months of everything. All the hours you put in for two months are gone. In interest. That hurts. That's a lot of work. Yeah. Two months. If you didn't talk, you remind me of Billie Eilish with braces. And then you talk and then you don't. I just got my braces. Congratulations. Did you pay for them? Me and my mom pay for them. And it's a monthly payment. So that's a f***ing debt. Yeah. That is an additional debt. What do you pay towards it? I pay... And for how long? What's the balance? It was$7 ,000. And then me and my mom split the payments back and forth. Okay, so$3 ,500. What's the payment?
1:15:47I think it's$275. A month? And you pay it every other month? I pay it every other month. Let's break it down on a monthly basis then because you need to save for it on a monthly basis. It's the way you do it. So$137 a month. We didn't even know about this. They didn't even know about this. I did. I did. I have a dentist payment. You know it. Well, I don't know that. I think it's like a$97 a month. My gosh. Okay. You just got to start being a fucking adult, dude. And you're financing everything in your damn life. I have a dentist payment, too, because I had to get some fillings before I got my braces on.
1:16:22There's more debt. Okay. What? What? What's the balance? um it should have like 800 left on it minimum monthly uh it's two thirty two sixty a month for that one oh my what are you doing you get your minimum monthlies have to be at your income at this point i never add up the minimum monthlies this early you're unique a special snowflake you certainly act like it mommy and daddy no it's not your angle but we are at a crazy $1 ,530.69 on a monthly basis of minimums that's insane is that with rent too that's not with rent too I can't do math I said your debt minimum Oh, debt minimum. That's a lot of numbers going around.
1:17:21I'm not a numbers person. So, checking account. Let's see.
1:17:27Any other debt?
1:17:33Not that I can think of.
1:17:38$84.15 in our checking account is insane. You can almost make none of these payments, except for a couple small ones. and yet there's starbucks right there guys we got starbucks the same day that we overdrafted well done are you kidding me come on what a joke and then we door dash dollar general and target and we know it wasn't groceries more overdraft there it is because the verizon wireless So 444 came out. The f*** is Verizon where I was 444? The f***? Possibly. So I have three lines right now. That's mine, my fiance's and my ex-husband's. Your ex-f***ing husband? He got on his own. And then there's a few devices.
1:18:25So you do have more debts. You have more f***ing debts. What a joke. We're bouncing our checking account for devices. We're targeting Elmo Coffee and Starbucks, Chipotle, Oz Huntsberger, Uber, Uber, Uber, Uber, Uber. Bars, festival, bars, bars, bars, bars, bars, bars, bars, bars, bars. The trip to Vegas. Yeah, it was all money didn't have your f***ing overdrafting. I don't give a f***. Merch. Merch. Uber. Sorry, not sorry. Uber. Chart house. Famous pioneer. Auntie Anne's. Door dashing Taco Bell. Door dashing Taco Bell. Door dashing McDonald's. Starbucks. Zelling out$10. The firm payment. Door dashing Marco and Starbucks and Uber and going in and getting some energy drinks.
1:19:27Target. DoorDash McDonald's, BarkBox, you can't afford any f***ing subscription. Good luck. DoorDash Dollar Tree again. Moody, Moody, Violet Crown, Starbucks, Coca-Cola, Starbucks, Overdraft Protection. That way we can get our f***ing Coca-Cola and Starbucks and Starbucks and PayPal and Hot Topic. Oh, we have to get emo in every way possible. and Dutch Bros and Alta and DoorDashyDollar. And then Goodwill and McDonald's and JK Sweets. Starbucks Hot Topic. At the end, Dutch Bros, Zoomies. At the end, DoorDashyMcDonalds, Spotify, Circle K, getting some energy drinks. Zoomies. At the end, Zoomies.
1:20:18At the end, Zoomies. Yahoo Plus support. What the f*** are you, Yahoo Plus? Who even knew that existed? Only you. Auntie Anne's. Auntie Anne's. DoorDash. Yeah, working in the mall is dangerous. You can't stop going to Auntie Anne's. And then you're DoorDash on your way home instead of picking up McDonald's. DoorDash Marco. Slab cream from the mall. Cosmos. Popeye from the DoorDash. Not other subscription. DoorDash and McDonald's. Grand Donuts. Chick-fil-A. Starbucks. Spencer skips you can't work at the mall you can't work at the ball you can't come close to a mall you need to pretend that it's like a school and you're a predator you can't even come close to a mall you don't know what a mall you fuck taco bell starbucks bathroom body works and going in and getting an energy drink what the fuck was that checking account for someone that makes no money their debt is a third of their income on a minimum monthly basis they miss all payments on two credit carriers that are behind on a car payment what the possible have i just witnessed what a joke two kids well i adore so the door dash is when i'm at work because the mall food you have a food court right there you stop at the hands every second of your life in your door Garnashing McDonald's to the mall to the mall.
1:21:56You're Garnashing McDonald's to the mall. What are you? What in the possible even is that? So the mall food is really bad. People have gotten sick from there. People have gotten sick. You're making me sick. This checking account is sick. Your finances are sick. Your finances have cancer. Well, the anti-annas is also like drinks. because I get a couple of drinks so I'm there. But Auntie Anne's is - Shut the f*** up! Okay.
1:22:33I'm gonna - Yeah.
1:22:38One cent in savings! All that f***ing spending at the f***ing door dashing to the f***ing mall and we have one cent in savings? Bleep it! What mall? What mall? Oh. It's fine. It's fine. I've been. I've eaten. It's fine. At the food place. You can get a damn fucking cookie. You'll survive door dashing to the fucking mall. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. I was going to set you down with one of our financial advisors that don't make money where they get free sessions and I'd get you a free session. But I'm not even going to look at that and they'll be like, what the fuck? This person's 13. This spending is the most insane, stupid thing ever.
1:23:20I didn't have Verizon and 450. I can't even set you up with helium. I can't even set you up with helium because you don't owe on your phones. Oh, because you owe on your phones. Yeah, I have the phones and then I have a tablet. No, you don't. Sell it. I still owe on it. Yeah, and you're selling it and you're putting as much to it as you can. Can I sell it when I sell it on it? Yes. Yes. So I have the other. Or just go back and try to give it. you can't return it but you can trade it in for just cash really? I don't know talk to them or sell it and pay more based on what you get so I had tried to switch to an android oh you tried to switch and that didn't work so I brought the phone back in time but I didn't bring the watch and the tablet back in time so I have a android tablet that I don't use which I could definitely probably sell that and are you okay?
1:24:16I'm looking for a budget I think maybe on the floor I just don't understand you've only made it this far for me I'm calling your mom in the post show I'm calling your mom and I'm not even asking permission I'm calling your mom what a joke I need to save you from yourself what a joke total income gotta be when are you starting your job probably two weeks 3850 oh boy you're half a rent yeah oh half of the rent is uh almost 1200 you pay anything towards utilities what i can you can't do anything you don't have any money all your debt just goes up so what are you talking about if i can 1530 69 cents for debt minimum monthly payments okay vroom vroom drive drive how much gas uh probably like 200 a month i have yeah you don't have a short commute and you probably take the f***ing toll road i don't good i learned my lesson yeah you did a lot of money okay car insurance car insurance is 157 you're lucky it's relatively cheap for you 150 goes to the collective tp fund for the household the other one can do more too but that's for nails that's for depression shirts that's for uh kids whatever yeah it's just spending for everything else you need phone bill well what is it now 370 well i have the subscription necessary food you're allowed to contribute to the household pile 450 should be fine your fiance if she contributes that you guys will get to enough for what is fine.
1:26:03Mommy will pay for it. $90 we need to get for our therapy on a monthly basis. Any other medical bills on a monthly basis? No. Other than the debt ones. Just the other ones. No subscriptions. Do you have any pets? I do have subscriptions. No you don't. You're canceling them for f*** sake. I don't give a f***. They're on my phone bill. Open your f***ing phone. Open your phone. Do you have any pets? Yes. I have two dogs. That's right Can your fiance get pet insurance for them Because you can't afford it And if you can't afford pet insurance in my opinion you can't afford a pet Yeah she can get it Because if they need a surgery how are you paying for it Let me see Well it's on my Verizon Let me see No no no no no Pull up your subscription on there I saw so many Apple Pays Oh
1:26:56You have a nice phone It's the 15. I just got it. Stop yourself. My old phone wasn't working anymore. Okay. Active subscriptions. Discord Nitro. $2.99. Cancel. Notably. Cancel. Peacock. Cancel. Pretty Up. All body edition. $34 a year. Cancel. You have Snapchat plus? You have Snapchat plus so that you can restart little whatever they're called. the little streaks cancel every subscription i'm not putting your budget have your fiance take care of get the pet insurance what are what is your what your your money literally if i were to look at where your money goes i would think you are 14 if i did not know you snapchat plus and shopping everything at the mall and hot topic and doordashing mcdonald's and food corp and drinks it anti-ands oh i'm raging okay guess what you're under by 300 because you need 4 147 dollars and 69 cents to make it on a monthly basis i gotta step away i'm gonna wrap this thing up i need to recoup i need to recoup and then we're gonna call your mom because i need to get you get out of her grasp and actually grow guess what because that's your new income and child support.
1:28:19You can't work retail. Go back into food. Figure it out. Or work two jobs and the fiance takes care of the kids. Whatever it is, you don't make enough money. You need to go make an additional$1 ,500 or your debt's never being paid off. It's as easy as that. I don't care if you love your job. You need to go make more money. And I know in Austin, you can go make more money in food. I know for a fact you can do that. We all know a million people who do that in Austin. So go ahead. You know, server, you'd make more money. You can make more money and you need to, whether it's keeping your job working and another job at the same time, in the evenings, or whatever, or you just need to go get a better job.
1:28:54Simply put, you do not make enough to live. Spending a budget, you overspent, times four, zero out of ten debt. I mean, it's basically as bad as you can get without, you don't have collections or anything, right? Basically as bad as you can get without IRS or collections debt, one out of ten, emergency fund, there's nothing there. It's one sentence, zero out of ten. Retirement, technically started, but basically nothing, one out of ten, real estate, zero out of ten, Hammer financial score rounded up. Point five out of ten. I'm going to call her mom right now in the post show, and I'm going to go take a breather.
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