I’ve Never Seen Anything Like This | Financial Audit

8 Jul 2024 · 1 h 32 min

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Episode Overview

  • Title: I’ve Never Seen Anything Like This | Financial Audit
  • Host: Caleb Hammer
  • Description: The episode features a financial audit of an individual who is balancing work, family, and financial struggles. The guest shares her personal story, including the death of her husband and the financial challenges that followed.

Key Takeaways

Introduction

  • The guest is an accounting clerk earning $18.90 an hour and living in Lockhart, Texas.
  • She supports her two children, ages 15 and 10, with additional income from Social Security for her kids.

Background Information

  • The guest moved to Lockhart for a lower cost of living after living in Wimberley for 20 years.
  • She is living with her mother and sister, who contribute minimally to household bills.

Personal Challenges

  • The guest's husband passed away from prostate cancer, which affects her emotional and financial situation significantly.
  • They experienced a period of relief after his death but were faced with the challenges of COVID-19 shortly thereafter.

Financial Situation

  • The guest self-assesses her financial situation as a “0.5” out of 10.
  • She has accumulated significant credit card debt, totaling over $11,000 on a Best Buy card and $8,182 on a PayPal card, among others.

Debt and Financial Management

  • The guest discusses her struggles with credit card debt and the feelings of hopelessness associated with it.
  • Caleb emphasizes the importance of understanding the implications of carrying debt, especially when it comes to retirement planning.

Consequences of Spending Habits

  • The guest admits to spending on non-essentials, including gifts for her children, leading to an increase in debt.
  • Caleb points out that while spending can provide temporary relief, it ultimately leads to long-term negative consequences.

Health Considerations

  • The guest smokes up to two packs a day, which poses health risks and financial burdens.
  • She expresses guilt over her smoking habit, which complicates her financial responsibilities.

Immediate Financial Actions

  • The host suggests creating a budget and taking immediate steps to address debts.
  • The importance of finding a higher-paying job or a second job is stressed to increase income and alleviate financial stress.

Emergency Fund

  • An emergency fund of $20,000 is available but controlled by her mother, which creates a dependency issue.
  • Caleb highlights the need for the guest to take control of her finances and potentially use the emergency fund to pay off high-interest debts.

Moving Forward

  • The guest is encouraged to close her credit card accounts to avoid further debt accumulation.
  • A potential plan includes using the emergency fund to pay off the highest debts first, followed by establishing a budget to manage living expenses.

Key Concepts Discussed

  • Financial Literacy: Understanding one’s finances and the implications of spending behaviors.
  • Debt Management: Strategies for paying off debt effectively, including prioritizing high-interest debts.
  • Emergency Fund: The importance of having immediate access to financial resources without dependencies.
  • Health and Financial Stability: Recognizing how health issues (like smoking) can impact finances and long-term stability.

Conclusion

  • The episode underscores the importance of taking control of one’s financial situation and making proactive decisions to improve both personal and family financial health.
  • Caleb provides resources and strategies for budgeting and investing, highlighting the need for discipline and commitment to achieving financial goals.

Further Resources

  • For budgeting tools and investment strategies mentioned during the episode, listeners are directed to visit the links provided in the podcast description.

Call to Action

  • Listeners are encouraged to check out the YouTube channel for early access to episodes and to reach out with their financial stories for potential features on the podcast.

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0:00To watch episodes of Financial Audit a week earlier, check us out on YouTube.

0:30financial audit. Thanks for coming over from Lockhart. What do you do for a living there? So I am an accounting clerk for a municipality. Very good. And what are we making in this position? So I make$18.90 an hour. Okay. How do you feel making 18 bucks an hour in Lockhart? So I moved to Lockhart because the cost of living was lower than I was before. I was in Wimberley for 20 years but um it's not so bad i i feel like i'm fine like i i also get some social security income for my kids so with that income i feel like it i survived just fine okay so let's see what hits your account was 2157 which is that's really what is this a dual household no it's just you it's me my mom and my sister live with me as well oh okay and they contribute to the bills a little a little my mom does not my sister so much all right so for the income side i mean i only saw 2333 come in from the job but then there was as you mentioned i see the social security 1434 yes and those go into separate accounts for my kids um when you set those up you have to each kid has to have their own bank account how do your kids so i have three but the two that are still at home are 15 and 10 what what about the dude that helped this manufacturing of children so my husband passed away four years ago oh i'm really sorry yeah he he had prostate cancer um you know the cancer you die with instead of of um yeah and so by the time they caught the cancer he was already stage four he was 59 when he passed away and so i encourage every man out there caleb if you don't know your psa number go get it okay that is your prostate something level and you need to know what your number is and if your number changes that could be an indicator that you have prostate cancer and you need to go see a urologist maybe in the post show i can have every crew member check noah's prostate and see see how it's doing um okay i am really sorry to hear that uh how have you been doing since then uh i mean at first honestly he had been sick for so long that we it was and this sounds horrible but it's not i was just relieved that he was no longer suffering we had all been sick together we went to doctor's appointments we did this we did that so it was very much a sigh of relief that that phase was over and then COVID hit right after he passed away okay and so um I was already at home staying with the kids trying to rebuild the relationship because I had been at least mentally absent for so long okay um so COVID hit after that and we learned how to live together just the three of us during that time so that was so one in a way a blessing yes yes he's 27 um he's married why do your sister and mom live with you so um so during covid so about a year after my husband passed away our landlord uh came to us and went we're gonna sell the house and i went okay i've been here for 10 years and the rent has never gone up i was paying nice to them yeah yeah i was living on an acre uh paid 1200 a month and i started looking for a place to live and it's still even 1200 bucks a month it's almost half your take home well and at that time it was probably yeah it was probably about the same because i wasn't working the same job okay this is my third job since my husband died oh okay go ahead um so they were sell they were going to sell and i started looking for a place to live i was looking for a place to rent and the prices in wimberley which is where i was living were outrageous and so i started talking to my mom and sister because they were living in kind of a rundown place um their finances have never been great um they were making it they were fine um And I was like, so if I have to move outside of Wimberley, you're my support system.

5:09What am I going to do if I have to move outside of Wimberley? Number one. They were OK with just packing up. Oh, yeah. We've done everything together. We're kind of codependent, honestly. Is that good? It's good to have a support system. Support system, yes. Codependent. Right. Depending. Well, especially after losing your husband. And I think it makes sense for the feeling of a codependence to come in. But so what makes me a little nervous is without the codependence and if we're just talking about life and passing. I mean, how old is your mom? She's 67. And of course, I'm not rooting for anything in 67.

5:51Maybe she's 69. Even still. You know, even still. Yeah. It's just like I don't want you to be dependent on something that might not be there. Well, that won't be there forever if we're talking real. But hopefully is there for a while, but might not, won't be there forever. Right. Because$18 an hour. Now, this is a completely different town than Austin. Completely different town. About an hour away, you told me. So, in Austin, you know, I just, I scoured all the job postings. I added it all to the spreadsheet. I was just trying to figure out what the lowest job openings here pay. Like, the lowest.

6:25Entry level, fast food, you know. Right. What is, like, the median of that? Yep. Of the lowest. And it's$18. Mm-hmm. So you're at that level in a cheaper cost of living area. But even still with$2 ,333 a month, even with the social security, we're not making a ton right now. Right. And that scares me because of how much debt you're in. A lot of that. So like if the dependence ceases, what do we do? How are you going to survive? Because you're not surviving right now. Well, they'll figure that out soon. Sorry. I know. I get ahead of myself I know guys okay so I don't know the dependence just red flags for me the dependence on my mom and my sister or the dependence on the social security that is granted and I don't know what you would do with your income situation when it's not there because it's not always going to be there that is true however I've done without out well is doing without how we got tens of thousands of dollars into credit card debt no okay it's not i got into that because one i'm a dumb and two people were dumb enough to give me money okay well now they want it back and they want it back now that's the problem so i want to just uh self-assess where do you find yourself right now in a score your finances zero being the worst finances ever 10 being the best finances ever what's your self-assess so my self-assessment before i took the um oh you took the quiz i did free in the description below but i gave myself a 0.5 i think when i took the quiz i got a two okay probably because you own a home probably which that and i boost up your score and not to toot my own horn but i don't i don't have any more um student loan or irs debt so that you had irs debt yes when did you have irs debt When my husband was alive.

8:30Okay, so this was a bit ago now. Yeah. Okay, well that's all in the past. What did you do to get an IRS? Just so we make sure we're not doing it again though. My husband owned a business. Okay. And he would tell you if he was here that there was a miscommunication about whether or not to pay the 941 taxes for our employees. i would disagree and say he specifically told me not to and then when the irs finally wanted their money okay we were we paid for a really long time on that again that's in the past so you think you're a 0.5 you ended up getting a two on the scale yep you want to be on the show i can self assess your situation in person make sure to go to calebhammer.com slash apply and you can be where she's sitting right now uh okay so let's start getting into the debt because this is i mean it's just it breaks my heart it breaks my heart i you know i don't like it when someone in their mid-20s and their mid-30s have debt because it just it hurts to see that they're throwing away time time for compound growth but it also they have a lot of time to get out of it if they really need to sure you're not old by any means but when we're talking in that middle-aged area you know were i in retirement and then i saw like 20 potential years seeing this much depth breaks my heart because it's you do not have as much time and flexibility to get out of it and set yourself up for retirement right was there health insurance uh sorry not health insurance was there life insurance yes in place yeah what happened to the life insurance money yeah oh i paid on yeah okay how much was it i spent it okay it was 112 120 okay so it wasn't huge it wasn't huge um i buried him uh which honest so here's a worst story i had to borrow the money from my best friend and neighbor until the life insurance you were neighbors with your best friend yes that's of fun oh it was amazing she's great um so i did that and then i paid off my car i paid off all my student loans i think but i can't really remember it's fuzzy i think i paid off the credit cards at that point maybe or almost all of them um and then i for a while and then i bought my kid a car a what a car for how much 13 000 okay it's not a massive percentage of that okay i have a really well how'd the credit cards go all the way back up you said because you're a dumb okay fine we're all a dumb in many different ways okay fine but what did you actually do because we need to we need to understand what you did so we can prevent you from doing it again so we can be smart in the future and not pay this all off and then get right back in it again so i've seen your channel and i've seen guests say certain things and it sounds dumb when we say them out loud but i've resonated with a lot of them well i mean that that's why yeah yes so there's gonna be people who resonate with you so one it feels like it takes forever right if you're just paying the minimums are barely above the minimum yeah it's taking forever and then you want this one thing but you're resisting it and this first one would take 25 years to pay off only doing the minimums yeah i saw that yeah and it makes me want to vomit quite frankly yeah you'd be what 70 yeah um which who knows if i'm even gonna live to 70 and i don't want my kids to have that that is they wouldn't have this that is the one thing they wouldn't have your credit card that you said that's affected me the most okay is that i have a moral responsibility to my children yes

12:35and everything i've ever done has been for my children sure it might not have been done correctly or the best way okay but in the moment it felt like i was doing the best i could for my kids yeah and to think about that and i don't know 20 years them having to take care of me is not that's a reality i don't want to have to face i would like it to be different and watching you do things for other people gives me hope that maybe my situation can be different but when I look at it by myself and see the numbers and they're not moving I'm like I get hopeless and defeated and I'm like and for a penny and for a pound I'm just gonna go for it I already f***ed it up what's$200 opposed to$20 when it's not even my money right now sure alright well let's go through it let's take a look let's figure this whole thing out because this does get crazy quickly.

13:43Best Buy card. First of all, what are you buying? You're not buying Xboxes. You're not buying PlayStations. Are you a gamer? Are you a gamer girl? I'm not. Yeah? Gamer e-girl? No? What are we buying at Best Buy? What are we doing? So I got the Best Buy card to buy laptops a long time ago. Laptops? Correct. For the kids? No. I was in school. When? 2015. Okay, what were you doing? I have a master's degree. Really? Yeah. Well, in what? Public administration. I feel like, I guess I don't know that field as well as many others, but... It's like business administration, but for nonprofits and government.

14:24No, I get it, but I feel like you could do better than$18 an hour with a master's degree, no? Maybe not for that local municipality, but could you commute to, like, San Marcos or something? I was commuting to San Marcos before this job. Okay. but it was an hour and a half out of my day. Fine, where's the nearest town? Civilization. I live in civilization. Okay, where's the nearest real civilization? Probably Kyle Buda, something like that. Okay, so that's not... How far is that? How far is Kyle? It's still about 30, 45 minutes. That's a fine commute. Come on. People inside the city commute longer than that, and they're just going to the same city they're already in.

15:02And I feel horrible for them. Well, but... Yeah, but don't you want to make money? No, I don't... I don't want to be in debt, but I don't want to make money. That does not. What? But you just said. I want to survive. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You just said you have a personal responsibility to your children. Yes, I do. Making money is a part of that personal responsibility when it comes to the finances that we're talking about. We're talking about how much you have to save for retirement at 45, 46. How much is it saved for retirement? 2 ,000. Okay. So that's where you need to make more money.

15:33It wasn't a lot, but I did have a slightly higher. um i had to cash it out you cashed out when did you cash out well my husband was sick oh yeah yeah yeah that'll happen if you want to take your investing to the next level my new investing course is still on sale until july 1st we're offering the course for only 97 which is 50 off you'll get over 55 lessons the best budgeting spreadsheet known demand portfolio strategies, worksheets, retirement strategies, and I'll give you a$100 Moomoo cash reward when you sign up with Moomoo. Check out the link below for more. Stop buying sweet treats, people, and start investing.

16:14What's your hourly wage one more time? $18.90. Okay, so let's just forget the social security, which is meant to take care of the kids. Okay, let's take that. $18.90 times 40 times 52. Okay, so$39 ,312 a year. Yep. Let's just say we save 20 % of that. So we're saving, and this is, I mean, this is before taxes, this is before anything. Where is it? Here it is. Let's go. This is just based on your income. Let's say you open my Moo Moo app. I'm just going to pretend like I'm going to buy the S &P 500 in here, okay? You have$2 ,000. I'm buying$7 ,862.40 a year. once a year for the next 20 years you're gonna have 369 000 to retire with an eight percent average return that would have to be a essentially really you're not able to leave anything but what would you be able to survive off for the next 20 years after that 18 000 bucks a year can we do that 18 000 bucks a year after inflation that would probably actually be worth like could you survive off 11 000 a year right now 11 000 a year no so there's the personal responsibility thing so yes we can fix our actions we can start getting out of debt sure but if you don't actually bring in more money it's going to be longer to get out of debt longer to get a fully funded emergency fund and much less to save up for retirement because that's if you start setting aside 20 % pre-tax right now, which we know we can't do.

17:57So... Not all of us... So what I discovered was not all of us are made to be... So I thought I could do certain things. I thought I could make more money. I thought I could do those things. I know you can make more than 18 hours an hour. I'm not saying maybe... Not everyone can go make$150 ,000. The economy doesn't work like that. But I know you can make$2 an hour more.

18:28You disagree? Well, I just don't know if the$2 is worth a 45-minute drive both ways. That's just an example. Like, I know you can do$2 more. You could do$5 more. You could. I could. In 30 minutes, what is 30 minutes? What is 30 minutes? 30 minutes is nothing. It feels like a lot. I drive half that just to get here. I live right next to the studio. It feels like a lot. Well, it's not. Okay. Maybe you're right. Just like your retirement account is not a lot. Oh, no. I agree. So I think we need to actually sacrifice to it. But I'm going to work until I'm 80. Well, what if you don't have that as an option or choice?

19:04What if you get injured? Well, then I get social security. Yeah, but that's not going to be a ton. No. It's what my mom lives off of. Yeah, and she lives with you. That's valid. Are you going to live with your kids? There's the sacrificing for our kids thing again. realign on the kids see see how that works yep it's a circle and you don't want to be that i don't think that i don't think it's bad that your mom lives with you but what if your kids don't want their mom at that point in their lives with whatever they have going on to live with them you know we don't know but you putting that upon them as if they have no other choice is selfish right i agree so on this best buy card you have 11 134 dollars and 48 cents which for your income is insane.

19:50It's insane. And this is one of the cards we're going to look at. $290 of interest is accruing. This is going to be what kills me. We have a$402 minimum payment. First of all, that's insane for your income. That's insane. Let's see. Where are we? For your post tax, I mean that's almost 20 % of your pre-tax. Minimum monthly payment on one of the cards$250 of purchases that's that's what's gonna kill me because where's the sacrifice$250 of purchases on a card that we can't pay off that is accruing 20 that the minimum monthly payment is 20 of our pre-tax income rounded what are we doing purchasing on a card that we can't even come close to paying off that is us with interest why what are we purchasing because that that sorry don't be sorry um i'm also rather blunt um i honestly do not even remember what i purchased

21:06and embarrassingly uh 46 years old with a master's degree and i didn't know max oh yeah On a Best Buy card. What are you getting? That's the worst thing I ever discovered was that you could use that card anywhere. Yes, it's beautiful. From TJ Marks? It's great. I actually did buy this. We have to get that instead of retirement. No. Okay. But I never saw myself being able to retire anyway. I'm going to work until 10 minutes after I die. You're choosing. You're choosing. You're choosing. And what if that's not an option? You're not taking into account certain things. Yeah, I have it. Let's talk about a health thing because I know it's in here.

21:48Yep. You smoke a lot. I do. How much? Pack a day on a good day. Okay. Bad day, two packs. Okay, that's wild. I know. And we're being candid, right? Absolutely. I hear you kind of struggling to breathe. Okay, yep. If health things pop up, if you are unable to work because it's hard for you to move or something, you know if this habit continues or even if it doesn't you know with where we are what if you can't work right i that scares me and again it's not just about you putting on the kids there is certainties just things about your life as well i've had no hope i've had no sorry it's okay it just seemed like i'm just gonna live on this planet and do the best i can and barely survive you're not doing the best you can you're right i'm beginning to see that it's like peeling off the layers of an onion so you know you you experience trauma of any kind um death of a spouse doesn't matter whatever it is sure you lose your mom whatever happens Absolutely.

23:05And if you're self-aware, you start peeling back the layers of the onion and trying to regain life and not just survive, but to live. And so I'm at a point where I'm waking up to the fact that, one, I've chosen a lot of things that in the moment were coping mechanisms. Right now. Right now? Because the TJ Maxx was right now. I don't need to talk about a few years ago and we can if you want but I like that's not what concerns me what concerns me right now is that and then there is a Walmart on here which we know some are groceries but you also have self-confessed before this that you spend a lot on your kids spoiling them from Walmart I do okay because I think they've suffered so much that okay but really but you know you're just prolonging the suffering I don't I don't like to tell them no because i want them to love me and i have a lot of mom guilt they're not gonna not love you because they don't get a toy it feels like that though i'm sure it does right in the moment i still love my mom i didn't get every toy i didn't either and you love your mom enough to let her live with you i do you dragged her from a different city yes i did so your kids will still love you if you're a good loving mom it's not about yes you get this little sweet treat because we went to the store.

24:29But they like sweet treats. Oh, I love sweet treats too. That doesn't mean I always get it. You know what? Me getting sweet treats whenever I want to do. It turned me into a man with titties. So that doesn't mean it's always good. Okay. All right. $1 ,500 of interest was taken from you this card this month. That's an insane amount of money for your income situation. It's an insane amount. Not this month. Sorry, this year. Oh, this year? This year. slightly better than month absolutely but it's an insane number modern number modern money this one's also crazy paypal why did you take out a paypal card oh by the way the last one the last one the last one which you've had for years and you it went up initially because you bought laptops were when you're in school in 2014 well guess what it's uh only a couple hundred hours away from the credit limit yeah they're all only i know oh i know so this wasn't a behavior from 2014 18 no this is ongoing you're so close you haven't made any progress okay paypal why are we in the paypal why are we in the paypal debt because it was an easy credit card to get yeah but what were you getting what were you doing What was I getting?

25:52Initially, I don't even know. Again, I don't know. Okay. Well, we're sitting at$8 ,182. Entire credit limit is$8 ,300. $205 of interest is being taken from us, which is already both of those combined. where, what, 22 % of your pre-tax income is going to interest on a monthly basis? Purchases! We're still purchasing it on a card that is right at its max with a$288 minimum monthly payment. Absolutely insane. Kill me now. Why are we purchasing still on this card? My dude. What are we doing? You can't. I just see the balance go down and I'm like, okay, I need this thing and then I get the thing, but I don't need the thing I want.

26:51What about the minimum payment? Does that not terrify you? Right now, the two, two and oh, we have more to go through, but the two is 30 % of your pre-tax income. But I don't just include my income, which has been the problem. I've been including everyone's income, the social security income, my mom's fallback. That's for taking care of the kids, right? Yes, and it pays the mortgage. Okay. I'm talking about the minimum payments for the cards you make. Yes. And why do you get to include? They help pay for bills, right? Yes. Your mom and sister. A little bit. So do we calculate that into how much we can afford for minimum payments on credit cards for purchases we've already done?

27:33No, that's like utilities, right? Yes. You're not a credit card person. Are you looking to get a mortgage? I have one. Exactly. Are you looking to get a mortgage? no you i don't give a shit about your credit then i really don't i can get you in a place where next time you need a car we can buy a car in cash close these accounts they are dangerous to you they are dangerous to you i love credit i love credit i love good leverage these are you these are absolutely destroying you having access to this is your you do not have the control for this and that is okay that you're not a credit card person it's okay who gives a you're not a credit card person again just like anyone else on the show you can use a charge card like the fizz card that's the one we recommend it's usually more geared towards students but um charge cards it forces you to pay it off every month but it makes me want to vomit the thought of closing them and i know it sounds stupid how do the balance is in the middle of the payments It's in the interest of curling not making you want to vomit.

28:39It's making me want to vomit. Hurl. How does closing them make you want to vomit more than the 20 % of your, 30 % of your income that's going to the minimum of payments is resized? They've been a safety net. There have been times, not recently, there have been times where there has been something where I actually needed the credit. You know why it's the credit? I'm smart enough to know that it's not my money. It's credit. You mean the credit cards? Yeah. So if we have to use credit cards at 46 for an emergency, that means throughout the 26 years of adulthood, you haven't sacrificed appropriately to save up just a minimal emergency fund because that would have taken care of you.

29:22Granted. That is not about the credit cards. That's just what you've done. So we need to get you to a place of emergency fund so you don't – it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. You don't need credit cards. Okay. I realize I'm moving a lot. It's because I've drank a lot of coffee. I've also had a lot of coffee. Okay. We can dance in a co-show. But I made my own coffee. It's good. It's a good habit. Okay. Bath and Body Works. It's for Bath and Body Works. Yes. Bath and Body Works is not cheap, and I know everything feels like a sale, but first of all, it's not necessary at all, and it's definitely not cheap.

30:04i took my kids on an adventure day and to bath and body works yes my daughter is 10 and she loves yeah i'm sure she does but um i want you to be able to do that i want you to spend time and do an adventure day i want you to you're putting off the paying off that you're making your debt go higher you're making your debt go higher and again she probably won't remember the day you guys went to bath and body works but she'll definitely remember the day when her mom comes to her and says i can't retire because i put myself in so much debt and i can't afford to live i need your help yeah so that's definitely not a conversation i want to but it's a conversation you very much might have unless you sacrifice now we take adventure days to the lake we take adventure days to the park we take adventure days to free activities we don't take adventure days to bring it up our balance i'm a credit card oh my gosh this is a huge dude my dude what are we what are we doing here okay r b f c u oh okay what are we sitting at nine thousand sixty nine dollars and 85 cents nine thousand three hundred dollar limit we're just at the limit your credit score like what do you care about credit anyway your credit score can't be good six fifty something okay so it's not good a hundred two dollar minimum monthly payment 182 dollar minimum payment so these are these are It's back in like wild.

31:47Like wild. No new purchases. Thank you. Thank you. Finally. For the sake of me, thank you. Well, I couldn't because it was maxed out. So you're telling me if there was a window there to spend$200, you would have spent$200? No. Well, probably. I'll just be honest. Probably. Then you can't have credit cards. Right? Right? Is that not self-confessing? you can have credit cards. Yes, it is. Okay. Chop these up. Close the accounts. Have a ritual in the backyard. Burn them. And summon some thing. I'm not summoning anything.

32:34$95 of interest and 56 cents. This one's definitely lower interest, isn't it? So... Or did the interest just kick in? No, no. It's still there. I know, but I think the interest may have just kicked in. Because that's all the interest that's accrued this year so far. Or did you just put 9 ,000 on there? Oh, no. Okay, then. Because that's all that's been charged in 2023 so far. Well, I didn't know. That's at 12.7%. That interest rates could go up. Because when I opened that, it was only at 9%. I didn't know. Even still, why would 9 % be considered good? You're not going to beat them in the market usually.

33:16Well, I didn't give a **** about the market. What difference does that make to me? Then why does 9 % matter? It didn't. But now that I see that it's 14, I'm like, I think they did me. I didn't know that. And I have too much pride to sit here and say.

33:39Say. I want to say that they did me dirty by raising my interest rates but they didn't no you signed up for it I mean there's other things you want to pay for your kids school college if they want to go to college I don't push college sure but if they want to don't you want to be able to pay for it I want to be able to help pay for it exactly and you're not even close to the position because now with these payments what are you up to 35 % now it's like I can gift a tax certification to one of your kids through course careers thank you I'm happy to do that, so you just let us know when. Those things are pretty great.

34:15Maybe they're one in their 20s, so they can put it on a resume if that's a field they want to work in. Okay, synchrony. Everyone in the world has to have a synchrony card. I think I've had five synchrony cards. Kill me right now. Kill me right now.

34:36you wanted to go skydiving for the post show I did wouldn't that have been amazing what do you think this is the business does okay but I can't just spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars I thought you could what I accidentally spent$500 on t-shirts I get that I accidentally ordered four pallets of cinder blocks for my house

35:05mathematical error I was trying to line the fence so the dog wouldn't dig over we're not going skydiving stop it come on we can go skydiving we're gonna have a nice little talk and we're gonna have a bit what if in six months I have quit smoking and paid down whatever amount you say on debt would you consider let's talk about that at the end have you ever been skydiving and you really want to Sure. Let's talk about that at the end. Okay, great. Let's get through the synchrony card first. Okay. Which synchrony card is that? Rooms to go. Hi. What did you get? A couch. What room did you get? Just a couch?

35:46Nope. Of course not just a couch. Because, again, all or nothing over here. So I got a couch and a loveseat and a chair and a rug and some furniture for my daughter. And a nice pineapple. For your daughter? Yeah. Why? oh the one that lives at home yes oh okay yes yes yes okay okay i mean what what can i say here like for this how do i know you won't do this again like because you already know it's bad you already know it's stupid you can get used furniture that's actually pretty darn good again you'll have to go to civilization for it but a u-haul doesn't cost that much money the rich people in austin in like the rich area they'll give away thousands of dollars of furniture for pennies on the dollar because they're just like i want this out of my house i've never been a lucky person when it comes to that because i hear lots of people see that i have lots of friends who do that do you look do i look yeah yes and i'm not like then is that is that luck then or is that you just don't look come on dude come on i don't put in the effort required to find the deal how about that it sounds like you don't even take this seriously this couch purchase like you were just okay with it so that's like what's the point does it matter how do i know you won't just go and do this again i'm not gonna do it again how do i know why why aren't you gonna do it again because i have a moral responsibility to my children okay what about yourself don't you care about yourself as well at all though said you're a human being that exists on this planet you do matter sure what what goals do you want to me what no yeah but what goals do you have what do you want to do i want to live on the beach and sell umbrellas and just be okay is that reality or is that no that's like fantasy la la land what are your goals goals are attainable Goals are a table.

37:47Goals. I have quit making them because I haven't been able to reach them. Okay. A lot of people don't reach them because they don't put in the work and effort required to get to a goal. Now, that's not always something. Life does happen. And I know a lot of life has happened to you. Right. That doesn't mean we should give up on goals because I can help. We can map out how to get to a goal. What's a goal you had? A goal. Financially. A goal you've had. I would like to leave my children a million dollars each. Oh, wow. So, three million dollars you need. Sure. For that. Oh. And then I have to live.

38:25Apparently.

38:42because i don't just dream a little bit and then every time i've like pretended or tried to make a budget or whatever so i'm making all these things right and it never seems like no matter how much money i make or what i do or how i do it or i'm never going to be able to help my kids i'm never going to be able to do this i get really defeated and in that mindset of i f***ed it up too bad and so if i f***ed it up too bad why change anything because it doesn't matter you would need to at minimum and i'm using the s &p 500 for an example let's do eight percent to be a little more conservative uh yeah money's hard 13 000 a year for the next 39 years bringing you to 85 Then you could leave$3 million.

39:43I would have to do what? $13 ,000 a year invested to the overall market. Okay. Giving 8 % for the next 39 years. Okay. Bringing you to 85, working hard until you're 85. $13 ,000 a year, which you couldn't come close to doing today. Meaning, again, higher paying job is something you need. Sure. You guys know I'm all about saving money and cutting out those taquitos from your budget. But what if I told you you could save cash and still eat like a king? Enter HelloFresh, your ticket to avoiding overspending on takeout and cutting down on food waste. HelloFresh makes eating well super easy and affordable.

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40:58One free appetizer item per box while the subscription is active. That's code HAMMERAPPS at HelloFresh.com for free appetizers for life. one appetizer item per box while the subscription is active so head over to hellofresh.com and use code hammer apps and start saving money and eating better today your wallet and your taste buds will thank you links in the description below that's how you can meet that goal but it's not statistically unattainable it just requires you're a beyond a sacrifice beyond because that's a lot of money compound yep just once annually okay but it is doable if you do that how much would i have so using the rule 50 30 20 it wouldn't be 50 30 20 it would be like 50 50 yes yeah it would be 1083 a month okay until you're 85 minimum okay okay i mean again you can't afford that right now so that requires getting higher jobs that requires getting out of debt and also it's going to be 39 years from when you're out of debt and have a fully funded emergency fund so 39 years after that so it's probably 45 years after you get out of debt and everything right my mom holds the emergency fund we have one how much 20 000 and it can cover you you can just have it if you need it you can just be like it's weird but okay codependent love family that's what we do it's interesting yeah are you allowed to use it to pay off debt not at this time why she's not ready to do that why

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42:48because we've never as a family unit ever had a lot of money so to have that much money and just spend it all at once how do we get 20 000 i wouldn't have you spend it all but how uh how'd you get 20 000 uh her mom passed away and left her okay so it's never been earned it's just been right right i've never gotten i've never paid off any debt by earning the money it's either been through it's been some catastrophe and obviously i mean i wouldn't want you to pay it off right now anyway because what would happen with your behavior i mean you haven't changed anything so you would just rack up your debt again so i want your accounts to be close you can't have access to this you do not have the discipline necessary you're right i don't i can rationalize and justify anything because that's who i am so the synchrony minimum payment is 97 dollars it is interest-free until 2027 the beginning of 2027 yes and then it would be 30 another synchrony lows yeah this one's paid off though because i never need lows and i can't use it anywhere else okay is that all that oh no this is medical yep what happened to you so two things one of them is that the pam health huh is that the pam pam uh post-acute medical yes so that one is for my middle child who's 14 oh wow he has a um his joints and ligaments don't work the way you're supposed to really okay yes so we called it hypermobile while i was growing up so his joints are not held up by his ligaments the way they should be and so um we he did something to his knee it was really bad i had to take him to be tested for marfan syndrome um so we had to have some heart stuff and then we had to have some eye stuff and those came out fine but they put him in physical therapy it was very expensive with the insurance i had at the time it was like 350 a session and so how were you able to pay for that i would give them a hundred dollars this is a real good story about bronx and his dad ryan real united airlines customers we were returning home and one of the flight attendants asked bronx if he wanted to see the flight deck and meet captain andrew i got to sit in the driver's seat I grew up in an aviation family, and seeing Bronx kind of reminded me of myself when I was that age.

45:18That's Andrew, a real United pilot. These small interactions can shape a kid's future. It felt like I was the captain. Allowing my son to see the flight deck will stick with us forever. That's how good leads the way. And then they would put the rest on the bill. And so that one is probably in collections, quite frankly, because when I go to look at it, there's nothing there. What do you mean? On their website? Yeah. I'm sure I'm going to get a letter. I did call them and ask for a statement. And they gave this to you. You at least made me get my shit together so I could see how bad it is. So it does exist.

45:52It does. And they sent me something. You know you could get a monthly payment of like 50 bucks with them probably. Probably. So you don't have it. Okay. You owe$1 ,799.92 but no minimum monthly payment. Correct. I would negotiate a minimum monthly payment. Just explain your situation. Explain your income situation. and hopefully that'll help with that and then diagnose diagnostic imaging yes that same thing no that was for me uh they found a breast lump wow okay had to have a biopsy i had to go see a breast specialist um it came back benign there's a nine percent chance however that it could be cancerous okay and so in six months i have to go back and we'll do it all over again and if i'm just saying on top of it though still there i have to have either a lumpectomy or my preference a mastectomy and um i'll have to have the money to have that done sure yeah okay so you have 283 significant cancer now this is very personal correct and it requires involves addiction, you're not terrified of lung cancer.

47:06One pack to two packs a day. Also, that's expensive. It is very expensive. Because that increases your likelihood for lung cancer dramatically. It also contributes to the guilt, I feel. And another reason that I don't like to tell my kids no is because I'm indulging in this thing, so I feel guilty. Have you tried to quit? A thousand times. And? it has not worked obviously what about waning have you oh no okay what about something that's a little less toxic like zens or something no why why because well you still get your nicotine fix that way that's true but it's not just about the nicotine fix there's the ritual there's the habit there's the i'm escaping from the world i'm very introverted i'm not shy but i'm very introverted so i mean nobody looks twice at you if you're a smoker and you just suddenly leaving to go smoke nobody cares yeah but if you're not a smoker and you just get up and leave people are like she's so rude and i'm like i'm not rude i'm just done i'm just done one of my producers who Quit Smoking.

48:22Yes. Recommends The Easy Way to Stop Smoking by Alan Carr. I've read it. And? Obviously it didn't work. Okay. Well, I'm not an addiction specialist. I've tried patches. I've tried Welbutrin. I'm highly allergic to that, by the way. So, yeah. I've tried it all. Okay. Well, listen, I I can't put it in the budget, but I also, I'm not an extra specialist. And this is something you just got to work on yourself and find the help you need. I can't do it, but you're killing yourself and it costs a lot. What's a, what's a, what's a pack of cigarettes costs? $6 and 42 cents. It's cheaper than I thought.

49:07I smoke floor shavings as my husband called them. I smoke the cheapest thing I smoke and I buy them in a carton and get a discount. Cost. $64. How many packs are in a carton? 10. So that covers us a week and a half? Yeah. Sometimes. A week? Sometimes. To a week and a half. Okay. Yeah. So you get like four a month? Yeah. And how much is it? $64.

49:44It's like$2 ,000 a year-ish. that's crazy for your income situation it's a wild life tax yeah okay i don't i i don't know much else i can say but i mean that's that's just on you it's on you and it's an addiction it's hard but i'm not an addiction specialist and i know that's also one of the harder addictions but i mean it is the heart at a certain point i'm hoping you're putting just your health over it your personal financial health over it and living with your kids over it as well i don't know if there's like a rock bottom that happens i i quit drinking and drugging 20 years ago now okay by the grace of god uh and also and that will as well i mean come on give yourself some credit thank you um and it's the hardest thing i've ever tried to quit is the cigarettes yeah And I've tried to apply the same principles.

50:42I've. Well, you're up to a lot. Oh, yeah. Okay. So how many are in a pack? 20. So sometimes 40 a day. Yeah. What is that? What is that? Like three smokes an hour? Sure. I have no idea. You just go, go, go. I just call. Just at work, you're leaving the office like three times an hour? No. I only smoke one every hour at work Instead of taking one 15 minute break I take 35 minute breaks And my breakfast is a pot of coffee And a bowl of cigarettes So I mean I'm sorry That one Seem like encouraging your audience Not to smoke Don't start I'm not saying vaping's better But have you considered that I've tried that done that.

51:37Yes. I mean, we don't know the long-term side effects of vaping. We don't, exactly. That doesn't make it better or worse than smoking. I'm not saying that. Cigarettes, people think it's a little better, though not good. I cannot smoke them. It hurts my throat. It makes me cough like crazy. That hurts your throat more than cigarettes. I know, right? Well, and really not open to the Zen world. Just popping them in, going about it. You know, one of my earliest memories is going to pick up this giant box TV with my mom. And there was this lady because the truck we were in broke down. And there was this lady's house that we just wandered up to.

52:22And she was sitting on her couch with a Cheetos bag in her lap, spitting, like as in dipping. And it was the grossest thing I can remember seeing. Well, doesn't spitting, like, doesn't that, like, have things that, like, cut up you a little, like, micro cuts in order to get it in? It's different. Also, Zins aren't spitting, though. It's not chewing tobacco. It's not? I have no idea. No, it's a little, it's a little, little. I am not, we've talked about this too long for someone who doesn't know anything about this, but I know enough that it's just, oh, it's chewing tobacco diffuses into your blood through your gums.

53:01Okay. so how is it different than that you're not spitting you're not spitting for zins right no just just a patch you put right her or her and it doesn't look like a big water dip in my mouth you put a lot of them in you put a lot of them but no it doesn't okay no i had a dude right there just a you know a couple weeks ago he's like 50 zins a minute and well like you couldn't you couldn't tell okay i'll think about it but again not like that's good anyway i'm not opposed to quitting i just find it very difficult of course i just don't want to tear up your lungs okay and then we have a mortgage 227 953 dollars at a 2.75 inches that's a great rate a thousand six hundred fifty dollars a month yeah oh again if you didn't have your support system or the mutual benefit or whatever, family with benefits, then you couldn't afford this.

54:00No. This is aggressively expensive for your income situation. So that's all the debt. That's all the debt? There's some hospital debt somewhere. I sent it. I had to go to the emergency room. How much? A couple thousand, I think. All right. Have you negotiated a payment? Yes. What's the payment? $87. Okay. Well, good on you for negotiating that. Okay. In the checking account,$2 ,333. Lots of bullsh**. Let me be very clear. Amazon. Amazon. Apologia. Hobby Lobby. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Those Amazon and Apologia are not bullsh**. They're my kid's curriculum. I homeschool them. My sister homeschools them for me.

54:48I'm a principal. She homeschools them. okay why is your sister okay what

55:02she's the smartest person i've ever met when she doesn't work no she does not can i ask why you can i'm not gonna i don't have an answer for you oh because you just don't know or you're not I'm not gonna tell her story okay that's fine an Xbox subscription for the kiddo probably they get an allowance why you barely get an allowance my smoking is my allowance but no that's gross instant PayPal PayPal go inside get into bullshit cigarettes text tag I mean how many tolls are out there well to get to austin you come to austin often no okay but i do occasionally table talk magazine let me come on it's a magazine i can't say that i tried to cancel that they weren't supposed to charge it it was refunded okay austin radio what austin radio radio maybe radiology radiology it was car much was it uh a trail going on a trail best buy this isn't even the best buy car we went to best buy 86 bucks video game hard drive crashed your hard drive denny's table talk magazine again no one's a credit oh okay parking xbox again summer moon i love me a summer moon but come on i do moon milk it's so good the moon looks fantastic but stop smoking you can taste it more xbox subscription xbox payment so many xbox payments this is all xbox payments i told you you're an e-girl i'm not my 15 year old and my 10 year old yeah they love their xbox they do okay i think they're buying video games like constantly because that's not a game get them game pass i think i think one of them is game pass the other ones i couldn't tell you and then i I think my daughter got Sims or something.

57:08But would that be Xbox? I don't know. The Sims is on game pass, if I'm not mistaken. Beats me. But they have to pay for it. Okay. Hi. I'm telling you what this is. That is retirement. $726. Correct. I haven't been at my current position, but like nine months now, I'm required to put in 5 % and you don't even have the one for my $2 ,000 the crazy thing is your spending is not absolutely insane yes sure there's a little bit of bullsh** it's not absolutely insane but your debt's not going down your debt's going up and they're at their maxes the situation's f***ed you're destroying yourself you're destroying your future and then there's the hundreds of dollars in cigarettes and that's the big bull how much do you think came in net into your accounts versus how much do you think you lost either via spending or that's going up so what comes in is around 5500 what went out yeah what went out 6 ,000 Okay Closer to the second one 5 ,800 went out In was 3 ,890 Do you get cash?

58:34How does that happen? We got PayPals We got Social Security We got payroll

58:43Take a little peek Just make you a little peek Huh Interesting That's only half of my Social Security that's one kid okay well we didn't see the other one maybe I transferred them at different times so you get 3 ,000 hours a month in social security it's 2838 it's the same amount for each kid okay well we're only looking at in the accounts and in the end that's still more money going out than coming in is it not oh yes absolutely that's unsustainable at this point i mean there's still 700 more going out yes i mean that's it's unacceptable straight up it's unacceptable you're not a child it's unacceptable you need a budget go through and all your family can go through it go through our budgeting class so you can learn how to make a budget manage a budget stick to a budget take all the quizzes take all the education you also because your guests get to go through our investing course which means you get a free hundred dollars luckily which is really cool so

59:56but this is unacceptable i mean at this point i mean you're you're spending like you just got access or you're you're managing your money like you just got access to money at 18. yes thank you and if you didn't have the codependent you're negative on a monthly basis and that's with codependence if you didn't have your codependent if your mom tragically passes away you know earlier than uh that obviously we'd hope i don't know what the you're gonna do and your sister doesn't bring an income it sounds like so i don't know what the you'd do you'd be screwed i need to change my behavior but i don't know how to do that well we're gonna budget but i think i mean you make way too little money you make way too little money you need a budget so what if i got another job until a second job yes until i was out of debt could i financially support myself yeah it's less time at home if you could do that i mean you have again a support system to help take care of the kids so it sounds like it i'm hoping within the next six months that there is an advancement opportunity at the municipality i hope so what would that go to do you think from 18 to 75 a year that would be great so i kind of want to try to stick it out how do you know how do i know how do you know that's a potential there is so as as most municipalities go the people stay there really long time but they're going to retire they're talking about like retirement is plans have already been made and then you have to compete for the job correct correct okay so it's not a guarantee correct okay so 5 171 comes in let's get your budget going your debt minimum payments besides the mortgage actually okay so that's 1056 okay on top of the 5 171 that comes in from your job in social security how much comes from your mom and sister average to help with the bills?

1:02:16Or do they just take care of bills on their own? They just take care of bills on their own. Okay, so we'll just do your budget then. So tell me what, you have to pay the full mortgage? Yeah. Okay. And Social Security, that Social Security goes away when they leave the house, right? So I think it stops at 18. I've heard rumor. And once at 15? Yeah. Okay, so what do you do? I'm coming on Caleb Hammer because I don't know what to do. Reality is hitting real hard right now. Oh, yeah. And it is scary. And the whole breast cancer possibility thing, I would like to die with dignity. Whenever I go, I just want to die with dignity.

1:03:04Okay. And I want to make sure my kids are taken care of. and I have failed miserably well I mean I don't think you've been a bad mom there's a difference between finances and then the entirety of parenthood this financially sure potentially but there is a lot more that goes involved in parenting but this show does focus on the financial part yes did you get a tax return this year yes how much it was about$5 ,000 where the f*** did that go it's a great question I wish I could no no no no where'd that go I don't know it just hit not that long ago where'd it go no no no no where did it go where did it go so I know I spent $1 ,200 on curriculum for my kids because I do that every year they can't go to public school no why it's not allowed I do not like public school they got kicked out no hell no it is why don't you like public school really yeah I went to public school they went to public school I went to public school as well maybe you just had a bad experience so i i did not have a great experience oh okay but then moving on from that i'm not going to project that on my kids that's what i was going to say however uh i love teachers everybody thinks i'm against teachers i'm not but the school system is seriously messed up and children are not learning the way i believe they should be taught what do you want them to be taught they need to learn problem solving skills and they need to learn to think critically not taught to some stupid test whether i can take a test or not still have to pass tests though nope not in the state of texas not in the state of texas really that's correct we have the state of texas will allow a kid to graduate high school with the brain of a three-year-old and we don't even make sure there's rules oh okay good but there's no testing how do we know then i'm a horrible test taker no me does that mean i wasn't qualified No, no, no.

1:05:05I'm a horrible test taker as well. And yes, there's things wrong with public schools and private schools. And there's good things with public schools and private schools and homeschooling. I think anyone should be able to homeschool whenever they want. But how – where's the check and balance? Where's the check and balance? Because I don't – it's not fair for a child if they graduate at the mental level of a middle schooler. But how do we not – how do we check and confirm? Where's the check and balance? Again, I have nothing against homeschooling, but how do we know they're actually learning what they need to learn?

1:05:38So there are requirements that you have to follow per the state of Texas guidelines. Okay, good. What makes... How do they make sure? Yeah, right. They don't. They're not checking in. So we can just do anything? You have to teach them reading, writing, and citizenship. And I want to be very clear to everyone listening out there. I am not against homeschooling at all. this just blew my mind that there's no checks and balances and there probably are that maybe you're not telling me i'm i just told you all the rules texas has the best homeschool friendly state it is homeschool friendly and do people take advantage of that absolutely this is not fair to the kid because the kid doesn't have a choice my kids have a choice they can go to school i've ask them no well but like a kid wouldn't have a choice if like the parent was you you said people take advantage i'm talking about that if your parents taking advantage the kid doesn't know that's valid yeah so those are cases are rare i believe i hope so just a little surprise there's no check and balance from this conversation there probably is i want to i'm curious enough on this subject that I want to go learn more about it afterwards.

1:06:48But, uh,

1:06:52yeah, but there's no testing. There's no, like some other States make you turn in what a curriculum you have or whatever. We don't do that here. We don't do that. But that seems so basic. And I trust me, I'm like the last person that loves an over overly burdensome government. That's not even close to my thing. what the f*** you could just be teaching them that sticks are blueberries or something and no one would know okay well it doesn't matter well I guess it does but it doesn't pertain to this conversation that just fascinates me and I feel like there has to be something I am missing in this conversation because it's literally only me talking to you right now and they have access to all the internet and other knowledge that is not being had right here and I feel like there has to be something i am missing i don't think so okay what's your phone bill 280 how i pay for six phone lines you six yeah we're the six i only know five people your sister your mom oh you and then the three kids is that it well i pay for my daughter-in-laws but i don't pay for my daughter daughter doesn't get a phone yet she's not ready daughter-in-law does she live with you no why do you because i've been with verizon for 15 freaking years and so my company why do you have loyalty i have issues i don't know why i have loyalty i've been with state farm how are the t-mobile towers out there i have no idea honestly if the t-mobile towers are good out there switch to helium it's 20 bucks per line so does helium have that thing where you can test the phone i think we tried mint one time and like they send you a phone you can test it out see if it works in your area it didn't uh but now we live somewhere new but do you know if helium does that um i'm not 100 sure uh we'll look that up afterwards for you though i'll make sure i just know it uses t-mobile towers and t-mobile towers are what i prefer because they're the best in austin verizon is usually what i prefer across the entire country but yeah verizon has worked amazingly well.

1:09:05I've never had any issues. Yeah, except for your bill. Which is how much? What did I do? 200.

1:09:19285. Okay, how much on gas, vroom, vroom, drive, drive, skirt, skirt? So I don't drive a lot. It's probably 150. Car insurance? Car insurance is 213.91. Wait, Is your car paid for? Yes. What is it? A 2012 Ford Escape. Miles? No, it's a Ford Edge. Sorry. $150. How is its condition? I just got it back out of the shop yesterday. Okay. We spent$3 ,000. What the f***? How much is the car worth? I have no idea. Six. It was at six the last time I looked, but it's been a couple years. At the height of the peak of the used car market? Whenever it used to show up on my credit, Karma. Yeah. And now it doesn't anymore, and I'm sad.

1:10:05Okay. Okay. Why did you just put$3 ,000 into a car that at best is worth$6 ,000? Because I didn't have$6 ,000 or$10 ,000 or$20 ,000. What did you need to do? What did I need to do to the car? Yes. Like, it needed new shocks, and one of the things that holds the wheels together was broken. I don't know. It needed some tires. Brakes. Brakes. Yeah. Yeah. She's gonna get me to 300 ,000 I just know it I believe Okay so you're using Brain power On that one Faith Are you biblical? Yes sir What's the phrase? Which one? Open it up Pardon? Made applicable 710 It's something like Faith without action is dumb Bullshit Faith without works is dead.

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1:11:45Okay, TP fund$100. How does groceries work in this house? so my mom loves to shop so she does like half and then um i give my sister 550 because she's frugal and she cooks and so she buys the groceries okay you don't buy anything on top of that so i i was giving myself 200 just to eat lunch to eat lunch for the pack of sandwich or a soup Do they have a microwave at lunch? At work? Yes. Let Chef Mike take the way. Okay? He gots this. Push those buttons. How much do you give to your sister? $5.50. Okay. I'll round it up to$600 so you can get your own snacks. How about that? Okay. She's very frugal.

1:12:35Good. Medical healthcare. Yes, sir. Gym. I have a yearly subscription I pay for. Mm-hmm. that's fitness and that's how much 90 a year yes sir okay uh code how often you have to go to the hospital or anything or therapy or anything so i don't do therapy um i have to go to the doctor about three times a year okay so just budget that in uh in the class we'll teach you how to do those random payments but as long as it's not an ongoing basis anything else i need to put in your budget that is not there i gave you 100 bucks for your tp fund i'll give you 150 bucks for your tp fund it's essentially anything else you need to survive and this includes things for school and stuff like that which actually for you might be more i have a life insurance how much 118 that's not through work no it's separate okay it's separate a month a month okay yeah yeah i know that makes sense um you didn't ask about utilities oh yeah Yeah, you're right.

1:13:39How much? I thought they took... Okay, yeah. How much? Water and garbage is$113. Okay. Electric is$175. Okay. About... Internet's$108. Oh, f***. That is expensive. Is that expensive? Yeah. Probably because it's rural, though. Oh. I mean, I can get... I thought it was cheap. I can get a gig down, gig up for$40 here. Really? This perks to civilization. No. It's not worth it. and then I pay for type C and then my kids what was that? Type C is they learn to type it's a typing program it's$9 a month fine thank you it's the only subscription I'll allow I think they'll just do people need to learn to type these days because there's like you're kind of forced to exist on every piece of technology don't you just learn by but I want them to learn the proper way to type I don't want a hunt and peck kind of thing going on.

1:14:41I don't think they will if they want to type quick. I'm okay with it. My 27-year-old does not know proper technique. He can hunt and peck real quick. Is he dumb? No. He's brilliant. Don't talk about my baby. I didn't. I asked a question. $4 ,637 is what you need to survive. You actually have a window. so your debt does not need to be increasing on a monthly basis if you actually budget because you have an additional 533 dollars and four cents on a monthly basis and uh another reason i'm okay with the typing thing is because again home is school for them and typing is something you usually learn and uh like third or fourth grade i don't remember exactly so and that's a part of it and it makes sense uh typing.com is free i'm being told oh so maybe look at that okay we're playing shot collar operation in the post show oh i don't know what the i don't know if i want to do this

1:15:42okay are we gonna shot kelsey

1:15:48yeah let's talk from the editors i don't want to get shocked okay 533 dollars which you have left on a monthly basis yes so you're willing to work a second job sounded like i am how many hours a week extra are you willing to work somewhere uh as many as i i mean 24 24 okay 24 i'm gonna call it 10 bucks an hour okay you know it's an extra 240 bucks a week okay okay times that by 52 divide that by 12 just to get a good average so extra 1000 let's call it an extra let's call it after taxes an extra$750 a month that's awesome$750 plus the$533 you got you already have an emergency fund$1 ,283 now if you're willing to change your behavior cancel your credit accounts and close you close your accounts jump up your cards i would use ten thousand dollars of that twenty thousand dollars okay and in fact that scratch that reverse it i would take out eleven thousand one hundred thirty four dollars and pay off the best buy card okay okay yes for some reason the paypal bothers me so much more well i don't care i don't care but can you take out 11 134 from it that you will put back that i'm gonna i'm gonna give back to the emergency fund yes can you do this i i can ask i mean it's a conversation so it's her money yeah so are you sure you can use it as an emergency fund yes i have this is an emergency see i don't know if she sees okay i'll talk to her okay if you want me to i'll talk to i'll how old is she 69 okay can i call her old yeah i'll yell at that old i will i'll tell her to use the money if it's sitting in the emergency fund and you're considering it your emergency fund let's do that hey do you what's the likelihood because i want to know what i'm doing here it's i would say 80 okay that she go for it because you will put it back don't get me wrong you will put it back okay i'm crossing out the best buy card and congratulations because of that you literally have an extra 402 dollars you get to put towards that on a monthly basis you have a thousand six hundred eighty five dollars you can put towards that you know how crazy that is that is so good so what am i doing from here month number one month number one i am paying off basically no i don't want to touch that medical get get on a minimum payment for the uh the 1700 medical debt but i'm taking care of the second medical debt of 283 dollars that's paid off and i'm putting the rest towards the the emergency room and then the second month i'm paying off the emergency room third month i'm putting uh honestly i'm paying off the 1700 dollar medical debt that will be a little lower at that point okay what are we on month number three or four three but why would you choose to pay something that doesn't have any interest over the ones that have okay it's less about interest but you could avalanche okay i just don't think it's right for you just based on my assessment through this conversation because you haven't managed that or managed even controlling your spending in any way whatsoever.

1:19:20So I think the small wins of paying off a debt will give you a better shot of getting towards the end than killing a big one. But because of that reality of the interest rates, that's why I use the emergency fund to kill the big daddy. Gotcha. Okay. So from there, month number three, throwing everything I can at the synchrony card. Month number four, synchrony is finished off and throwing a little bit towards the PayPal. PayPal at that point should have about$2 ,000 by the way on a minimum monthly basis now to throw towards that. That should take an additional four months to pay off. Let's say we're eight months into round.

1:19:56I think because of the additional minimum monthly payment on that, it's going to take another four months to pay off the RBFCU. 12 months and you're out of debt. 12 months you're out of debt and with the minimum monthly payments you have now that$11 ,000 you took out honestly in another four months you should be able to put it back in so that's a year and four months and the emergency fund is back up to 20 and you literally have no debt but your mortgage and I wouldn't want you to put more towards that mortgage anyway at that incredible rate but you literally have no debt a year and four months if you sacrifice if you budget and you work that second job which doesn't even seem possible quite frankly Okay, well, it is.

1:20:40And I'm going to honestly be pissed if you don't. Because the fact of the matter is you're older than many guests on the show. So you need to take care of this now. And two, compared to many guests on the show, you get out of debt like five times quicker than everyone. Okay. With just a little bit of sacrifice. So don't fuck around. It'll piss me off. It'll legitimately piss me off because you're destroying your life and I do not want to see you. You're 47 and a half at that point. You're 47 or 48. And you're debt free. your life has completely taken a 180 and you're in an amazing position where you can start throwing that money towards retirement and if you want to work till you're 87 you're able to throw a thousand hours to retirement on daily on a monthly basis you actually might get to that goal of that three million dollars you could potentially have properly invested and you'll sit down with the licensed uh investor to talk about that you'll also learn things through the investing class if you want to self-manage and who you should talk to and what accounts to open but there's a chance here if you don't sacrifice right now if you don't get that other job if you don't use the part of the emergency fund it's gonna take like a decade to get there and that's just a joke you don't have a decade you don't have a decade in your financial life to do this you need to take care of this now this is an emergency this is a financial death sentence a year and four months is nothing to have fully out of debt and a fully funded emergency fund it is nothing okay what do you think um i think i'm willing to give it my best shot i've failed so many times kelly i'm not gonna sit here and lie to you i i want that you're preemptively setting yourself up for failure and with that kind of mindset you're not gonna get there i'm sorry okay that's not how this is gonna work and i'm willing to check in with you as many times as you want and need you know in person virtual whatever you prefer i will go home today and i will close all my credit card accounts Good.

1:22:32So I can never use them again. Good. I will have a conversation with my mom about paying off the Best Buy card. Yeah. Today. Explain the why and let her know you will put it back within a year and a half. Right. Because you're going to go get a second job and here's your debt payoff strategy and tell her. And then if I don't get the career advancement that I anticipate, I will look for a higher paying job. Yes, but you're going to work the second job immediately. Yes. Okay. And I gave you$10 an hour. If you can go find something that's$16,$17,$18, you know. I've never. So how do I navigate that if you have time?

1:23:14Navigate what? So when I've applied in the past, because I do have a master's degree, because I do have some of them are like, well, you're way overqualified. We don't want to. Well, you know, I just need money. Don't put the master's degree on your resume. you want me to fib well I mean you're not no you're not saying I don't have a master's degree you're just not including it if that's the main concern is they say you're overqualified to work at a coffee shop or something just be like yo I graduated college and I just want to work an extra job okay alright okay your hammer financial score zero out of ten when it comes to spending a budget because of course you were over by $800.

1:24:01Debt one out of ten because it's almost as bad as you can get without IRS and financial debt for your financial situation. Emergency fund it's weird. It's fully funded but it's in control by someone else who literally you have to go ask to get money even if an emergency would 100 % be funded it's still weird. Okay. Was the$5 ,000 for your car$3 ,000 for your car pulled from the emergency fun no or how would you pay for it my mom paid for it oh she just paid for it herself okay either way it's weird so i can't give it a full 10 out of 10 i'm gonna give it a 6 out of 10 because it's really precarious retirement 1 out of 10 because you started but it's basically nothing real estate you do have a house and it's a great rate the mortgage is way too much for your income if the social security you know once that starts ebbing and flowing things get a little weird so your job situation needs to be figured out so because of that i am gonna give it a six out of 10 hammer financial score and when you took the quiz i mean those are probably the things that held you up

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