Most Childish Couple I've Ever Had On Financial Audit

13 Jan 2025 · 1 h 29 min

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Financial Audit Podcast Episode Summary: "Most Childish Couple I've Ever Had On Financial Audit"

Episode Overview In this episode of Financial Audit, host Caleb Hammer interviews a young couple, Stephanie and Michelle, who have been together for nearly eight years but are facing significant financial challenges. The episode primarily revolves around their financial habits, looming debts, and preparations for their upcoming wedding while navigating immature spending patterns.

Key Participants

  • Caleb Hammer: Host and personal finance expert.
  • Stephanie: 27 years old, a registered nurse earning $36/hour with a monthly income of about $4,400.
  • Michelle: 28 years old, works in grants reporting at Arizona State University, earning around $4,900 annually.

Financial Situation Overview Income

  • Combined monthly income: Approximately $7,000 (noted as a three-paycheck month).
  • Discussion of financial inequality as Stephanie earns more than Michelle, yet their financial decisions are made together.

Debts

  • Student Loans: Stephanie owes about $15,000 in student loans, which she recently started repaying.
  • Wedding Debt: They owe money related to wedding expenses, which Caleb emphasizes as detrimental to their financial health.
  • Credit Card Debt: Over $21,000 combined credit card debt with significant high-interest rates (20%+).
  • SoFi Personal Loan: $21,463 at an 8% interest rate used to consolidate higher-interest debt.

Spending Habits

  • The couple has been overspending significantly, at times spending triple their income in a month.
  • Notable purchases include annual Disney passes ($2,000) and dining out excessively, with a noted $1,000 spent on dining in a single month.
  • Caleb criticizes their "Disney adult" mentality, emphasizing the poor financial decisions prioritizing entertainment over responsible budgeting.

Key Discussions Financial Behavior

  • The couple did not track their spending habits effectively, leading to overspending and a lack of financial awareness.
  • Caleb points out the risks involved in combining finances before marriage, particularly when they have significant debts.
  • Discusses their lack of urgency regarding student loans and debts, with past dues being ignored.

Future Planning

  • The couple expresses interest in having children and buying a house, but Caleb warns that their current financial behavior will hinder their ability to achieve these goals.
  • Caleb urges the couple to change their spending habits, focusing on paying off debts before indulging in luxury expenses like Disney trips.

Recommendations

  • Financial Counseling: Caleb suggests they should take budgeting and debt classes to improve their financial literacy and behavior.
  • Debt Management: A strong focus on paying down debts aggressively, ideally allocating $1,000 a month towards debt repayment before considering any leisure spending.
  • Emergency Fund Creation: Establishing an emergency fund must be prioritized once they start to manage their debts effectively.

Key Takeaways

  • The couple’s financial situation is indicative of poor financial planning and immaturity in handling money.
  • Immediate actions need to be taken to address debts, particularly the student loans and credit cards, before taking on more financial obligations like marriage.
  • Caleb Hammer emphasizes the importance of financial education, responsible budgeting, and the necessity of difficult financial conversations in relationships.

Conclusion This episode serves as a cautionary tale of how neglecting financial responsibility can lead to significant stress and complications, especially for couples. The discussions highlight the importance of educating oneself on financial matters and making informed choices to secure a stable financial future.

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0:00To watch episodes of Financial Audit a week earlier, check us out on YouTube.

0:30or click the link in the description or pin comment below. My name is Stephanie. I'm 27 years old. My name is Michelle. I'm 28 years old and we live in Mesa, Arizona. And this is Financial Audit. Wow. Thanks for coming over to Austin, guys. Okay. So this is exciting. We haven't had a rainbow filled episode. I think everyone's a little excited about this. It's going to be interesting. Not because of that specifically, but because we have a lot of couples on and it's going to be interesting to see the dynamic here. Yeah. I'm very curious. Very excited. Yeah. So who decided they wanted to come on or was this a co-effort?

1:08Definitely her. It was me. She didn't know about it until after. I didn't tell her I applied for the show until after I spoke with Lindsay the first time. Really? Yeah. And do you want to be here? Yeah. I thought it was cool. I showed it to her before. And I told her she didn't have to But she's excited Yeah Okay, so let's start with you, Stephanie What do you do for a living? Mesa, Arizona I'm a registered nurse at one of the hospitals Okay Very cool What are you making? I make$36 an hour Oh, okay, thank goodness But I get an 18 % differential for nights So what about us coming in on a monthly basis?

1:53What hits your account on a monthly basis? For my paycheck, I believe it's about$4 ,400. Okay, cool. Works for me and you. What do you do? I work at Arizona State University in the grants department doing reporting. Okay, cool. What do you make? $4 ,900. A year? Yes. Annual, okay. What hits your account on a monthly basis typically? Like$1 ,300. Oh, sorry. No. $2 ,600. Yeah. Yeah, okay. So the month we have was obviously clearly like a three paycheck month is what we saw, which happens a couple times a year because I was a little excited for you guys. I was like, wow, obviously$7 ,000 is what the math comes out to, and that's more what you guys are making.

2:44I had closer to payroll coming in of about$9 ,800. So this is a three paycheck month. Yeah. Okay. Okay, so that's a little, 7 ,000 is not bad. 7 ,000 is not bad. My expectations are here, and you're here. Luckily, this is still good, okay? So how we living makes us 7 ,000 hours a month net. How are you feeling? What are we doing? Are you guys married? No, we're supposed to be getting married in March. Okay, good, because I don't have typically couples who aren't married, but you're going to get married soon. Yes. Are you guys combined right now? Everything's been combined for eight years. Eight f***ing years?

3:24Almost eight years How? We've been together for eight years Yeah sorry We've been together for eight years Since 2019 you guys combined? Yeah Wait how long were you dating before you combined? Maybe like two years Everything's together It's so f***ing risky though What about debts? Are you on each other's debts? Are you authorized users on each other's debts? Do you guys have debts together? So we're not authorized users on each other's cards But we both use each other's You use each other's cards? Yeah We are authorized users on like one card What are you guys doing? Why would you combine a sort of, first, why did it take so long to get married?

3:57And two, why are we combining things before marriage? There's risk. I don't encourage for anyone's breakup, but what if, guys? Because it happens. Yeah, I think, well, when we combined, it was my idea originally because when we were splitting bills at the time, we were both servers. and with making money with tips. And it was just kind of confusing to me. So I just... 19 and 20 combining without being married. Yeah. But... Okay. I think it actually worked out really great for us. Because ever since then... What are you talking about? Your finances are an absolute mess. No, that's true. But we don't...

4:35What are you talking about? We don't argue as much about who's paying for what, I guess. Because we used to before we combined everything. Oh, like you pay this bill, I pay that bill? I have to like, oh, I spent$30 here. You buy this I'll buy that Some people Find it sketchy If an engagement's Going on for more Than a couple years What the f*** Eight years We got engaged in We did get engaged In 2023 May of 2023 Oh for sure You've just been together For a very long time Without engagement Or marriage Why? Why are we taking so long? I think it's partially Because we were so young When we started dating Because I was 19 And she was 20 That we weren't like We just weren't really Thinking about marriage At that time I guess I don't know we're both in college and sure then but there's also been like five six years since yeah I I think that we we just weren't we're just not in a rush because why is this March gonna be the time then um I think it's because I graduated nursing school that was like a big thing for me when did you graduate I graduated in last December when'd you start March this past March.

5:41When did you start school? Oh, I started school. Well, I've been going to school since I graduated high school. Why did it take a decade? Because I was working full time. So I was taking like part time classes. That's not necessarily bad. I mean, there's certainly an offset. There's a mathematical break even point when it comes to student loans and, you know, whether or not. OK, let's take some student loans out. It's at a low percentage and, you know, hopefully federally subsidized and then we complete school even quicker if we have to do 10 years in order to work full-time to cash flow we complete school instead of four and then all of a sudden our income is up and we're able to invest it and we make the difference and then it completely offsets that and more but yeah we i actually i paid for a handful of semesters out of pocket because i was going you weren't paying cash well the whole time even though you worked full-time the whole time Why?

6:37Then what's the point of you extending it out 10 years? I did have to take loans out for a couple of years, and especially the last two years when I was actually in the nursing program because I wasn't working at all. Oh, they're telling me you sent over surprise student loans last night. Yeah, I forgot about them. That Jake didn't even see until like right now. I forgot about the student loans because I just... How did you forget about the student loans? Because I just started paying them like this month. What have you accumulated in student loans over 10 years? $15 ,000. That's not horrendous.

7:10No. You really just delayed that whole potential income earning process, which means you also delayed the best decade of your life for compound growth. The money that could have been invested setting you guys up, you have no idea. I mean, you've got only three years to go, and then all of a sudden, that decade's done. I will say the nursing program had like a three-year wait list to get into. Then go to a different one. There's nursing programs everywhere. Yeah, it just would have been more expensive. It's like the most in-demand thing. The one I went to was probably the cheapest and the best one.

7:39It was a community college? It was at a community college, yes. Oh, you can't go to another community college with a little commute? They have like this weird thing where all the community colleges are owned by the same company. Maricopa. They're all Maricopa schools. So when you apply to the nursing program, you go to like any of those schools. Yeah, okay. So why not go? So the waiting program was for all of them? Yes. For all of Maricopa County? Mm-hmm. And I did find a, I actually would have not been graduating for another, probably next year I would have been graduating if I had waited the full amount.

8:13But I found a fast track program. So I did get in sooner because I was working in insurance and then I quit that job to start working as a CNA. Because if you work as a CNA at a certain company, they'll let you in sooner. So I did do the fast track to do this program as soon as I could. Okay, so it's$15 ,000. What's the interest rate? um average across the board average i think is four so that's not bad what's the minimum payment um it's 163 how long are you waiting to get into nursing school versus what were you doing in between like but for between like oh i have enough to get an associate's gen eds blah blah blah before going to nursing school how long are you just waiting because 10 years is still an insane amount of time you've just you've lost so much time yeah i so i i originally was going to a university.

8:58I went to a university in northern Arizona for a year or for a semester. I don't have any student loans from that. What a f***ing second. What are the student loans? Your student loans are f***ing past due. Yeah, I did have a student loan. What are we doing? And then, oh, guess what? Future wifey over there is giving you the face of what the f***? Well, because her dad had paid for some of the NAU, so I wasn't sure if that was paid by him or i didn't even know what was left from any of you why do you pass due i it's 162 so that's your monthly yeah 163 you said okay yeah how why you make money you guys bring in seven thousand dollars a month now what is happening so my student loans had been deferred for so long because i was in school continuing yeah and then they give you a thousand warnings that it's about to start via phone calls and emails and mail yeah i my email was getting very full so i i didn't that's why you look at it and get rid of act like an adult what else is she missing what else is she missing what else is she missing then if the email is full come on you can't just not do that so i i yeah so i did eventually see it because i logged into the account and saw that it was past due which is why i realized that i do need to start paying back on them yes because they start garnishing wages if you don't yeah they take it before you can even see your money because it's the federal government do anything right so i that's why i know i need to start paying on them now but why don't you pay on them now then when did you find out the past two um like last month when i was going through on my account why am i seeing a past due statement then or why is jake well i didn't have the money to pay you make seven thousand dollars a month net across the board what are you talking about and we're all combined it's not even i didn't have enough money yeah i didn't have money my debit account to pay debit account you mean checking account yeah yeah listen seven seven thousand dollars net this is literally 2.3 percent of your net income 2.3 percent you couldn't make the fucking payment not at the time i was waiting for my money go where would the money go where would the money go where would the money go how about that Shopping It's interesting I can kind of have a little bit of insight You make$7 ,000 a month How much was spent this last month guys?

11:23How much was you spent? I We make$7 ,000 You make$7 ,000 I'm going to say I'll even be more generous Because it was a triple paycheck month You made$9 ,000 the last month Normally you make$7 ,000 But you made$9 ,000 So what did you spend guys? I would say probably$10 ,000 That's interesting $21 ,000 guys I mean you open new debts Bounce has got to have the debts You spent Insane What are you guys trying to do But you're trying to get married right now Right now But nothing You seem further away from it than ever You spent beyond double what you make You spent triple what you make i don't even is this even a fault of one here or is this a fault of the together what what are we how'd you get because how listen if i had a month where it was just a crazy month or something let's just say i would at least know that i spent crazy about what i made because how could i not that's insane how can you not like that's wild how did no one have in the you guys estimated it by under half what you spent under half i'd love to hear some thoughts here we just didn't look at it so we didn't well we don't really look i mean we look at our bank accounts but we don't that helps that helps not arguing you said guys we're in a great place we're not arguing anymore well no you won't argue if you don't look at it because there's nothing to argue about because you don't look at it.

13:07Yeah, I do. I will say that I do think November was a very high spending month and I knew that it was. I just didn't realize it was that triple. That's not a very high spending month. That's insane. It's like apocalyptic financial. I want to give you free money right now. I've partnered with different resources that will literally give you hundreds of dollars the moment you sign up for them. Check out my investing app of choice. Moomoo, where they give you up to 15 free stocks and 8.1 % interest on your uninvested cash when you sign up with my link. Do you want a more traditional savings account?

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14:16Well, we did buy a couple things in November. A good one. So in November, a couple days before we found out that Disney was dropping their annual passes. Okay. And when I was in nursing school, we said... You're talking about Disney right now? We're having a conversation about Mickey and his little mouse. What are we doing? Well, I told myself it would be my treat for finishing nursing school. You don't get treats if you're not paying your bills. You haven't paid for nursing school yet. You owe on it still. Okay, what? So the passes were$2 ,000. For the both of us. What? For the whole year. So now we can go whenever we want.

15:13To any park at any time? Just to the Disneyland park. Which one's that? In California. Oh, shitty one? No, I think it's the better one. Isn't it much smaller? It actually has the same amount of rides almost as the one in Florida. How are you guys getting there from Mesa? Getting what? Getting passes. It's in LA, so it costs money to get there. Yeah, we drive. We drive there. Okay, well, so you're getting places to live. Does it cover the place to live when you're there? Nope. No, we just get a hotel. So you're spending money to spend more money? Yes. Because you get the free food while you're in there and free drinks?

15:53No, we pay for that, too, separate. What the f*** are you talking about? We do get, like, 10 % off merch. Oh, man, merch. That's what we need to survive. And food. You guys are f***ing kidding me. The food's already priced up by 95%, so yay, we saved 10%. Great, guys, we're doing so well. And merch, you can wear Mickey on your shirt. I'm thrilled for you. This is so good. You can watch a new Star Wars movie or something. I just, I feel like the price of the passes is worth. You're not paying on your student loans. That is a different conversation. I wanted her to have like, you know, because she finished nursing school.

16:31You encourage this. You're both subjects in this insanity. Yeah, we typically agree on. On most part. most big in our life we agree on just destroying everything we agree on not starting off the marriage in any way successfully one of the leading causes of her divorce we all know is financial we just like to have fun and i feel like we have a lot of fun together whenever we go to disney yeah but who's pulling up the u-haul first in this scenario guys for disney related things it's always her listen here here's just statistical reality right i mean If I'm not mistaken, I've just seen it online, I don't know.

17:11So it might be over-promising on the reality part. But if I remember, right, I think it's like gay dudes, least amount of divorce in the country. Then it's just like straight couple, you know, decent divorcing. Then female gay, high divorce rate. Okay. Why would we go into the marriage that we want to be together forever with finances if it's one of the leading causes for divorce in this country? Why would we want to go into something that is statistically less secure? Well, we've been doing it for like eight years or seven years. Well, not married, but like we'd never, like we didn't see it as an issue.

17:54Also, you've done it through school and you've done it through the bulls**t. You've done it through the bulls**t times. You've kicked a can down the road. You're thinking it's cute to get Disney over paying our student loans. You have yet to see what happens when you guys start to get a house together, buy a house. You have yet to see what happens when all this comes to fruition and the debt is owed now. Wages start to get garnished for not paying the student loans. And all of a sudden we need$2 ,000. Maybe you guys have a kid or something and then you're trying to take care of that. Maybe you guys are trying to retire together in your 60s and we don't have a single cent for it.

18:28And I know you guys have a little bit of retirement, but again, all of a sudden what happens? What happens to people like you that I see that accumulate this much debt? They take from retirement as a shortcut to pay it off. So I have no confidence that I would stay there in this current path that you're headed. You just blew$2 ,000. $2 ,000 when you're literally not able to pay a$163 payment. They're telling me 75 % divorce rate, by the way, in the last 10 years. I thought it was much lower than that. Me too. Honestly, I thought it was less than straight couples. Listen, well, no, it's not. And I would love for anyone who loves each other to stay together forever.

19:05I don't give a f***. Do it. But let's give you the best chance for success. And going into the marriage with one of the leading causes makes no sense. You guys can break up easy. Getting through a divorce is hard. Especially if there is all of a sudden a kid or two involved. Are we planning on children? We've talked about it recently. Okay, I see the conversation's starting. We're just up and down. Yeah, back and forth about it. That's usually what makes a baby. That's just crazy. That is just an absolute sign of immaturity, just immaturity, that we are choosing to be Disney adults over an adult, making a single adult decision of just paying a bill.

19:51You're choosing to be a Disney adult. I wouldn't say I'm a Disney adult. You literally just spent 2 ,000 hours when you're – I go along with what she does. What, you can't speak up? Are you not able to have opinions of your own? I was okay with it, though. I wanted to go. So you're an enabler, and you did want to, so you're a Disney adult. If you don't speak up for it, then you get no sympathy on that end. All right, I'm going to count down from three. Three, two, one, go. On go, I want you both at the same time to give me what you think your household score is. I'm going to treat this more as a marriage, because the marriage, you guys have been together for a long time, and you're probably going to get married.

20:27I would bet on it. So, cool. I want household financial score 0 to 10. 0 being the worst, 10 being the best. I want to hear. 3, 2, 1. 2. 1. Okay. So you think you're a little better. Why do you think you're a little better? Not that 2 is good or anything, but why do you think you're a little better than she thinks? Maybe just because we do have the retirement, a little bit of it. and we don't really have any car debts or housing debts. No, just every other f***ing debt. Housing debt's not even a bad debt, though. I would almost want you to have a housing debt unless it's a horrible loan or a negative equity position in a home.

21:11I mean, that would raise your score in my book unless, again, you did it in just an absolutely stupid way because it usually means you're leveraging a relatively low rate on an appreciating asset. But I said you don't even, these aren't even assets. This credit card's not an asset. There's no asset on this credit card. But it's just sitting here being f***ed. Okay. Well, guys, if you want your Hammer Financial Score, it's free. Figure out where you stand. Figure out where your finances stand. It is in the description below. Also, if you want to come on the show, come on the show. I'll give you some fun little beat up.

21:41I'll roast you a little, and it's a good time. And you get to come hang out with us down here in Austin. Are you guys having a good time so far? Yes. Thrilling. Are we thrilled? Very thrilled. Okay. So you can go to calebhammer.com slash apply and come and be thrilled with us. I'd love to have you here in Austin, Texas. All right. So Southwest Weapon Rewards. So we talked about the student loans that we're behind on. So Southwest – how close are you to being behind two months on the student loans?

22:16um i think we just have to pay this month for both payments and then i don't know what day it is do then how are you gonna do that i was just gonna do it when we got our next paycheck Yeah but what if it was due before then But then I would be caught up Because then my next payment wouldn't be until January And then I would be caught up for January What month are you behind Just for November So December you might miss though But if I pay December and November's Before December ends Then we'd be fine Because in January I'll just pay for January Maybe if you remember to do it You didn't f***ing pay this one It was November's bill but you've been paid in december so far i didn't for november i just didn't realize that the student paid in december so far yeah it's not november anymore you've been paid in december yes what is your thoughts on this i i well i didn't she didn't even tell me that i mean i guess i did know at one point like recently i did know that she was going to get um or she's going to get student loan debt, but I didn't realize how much it was going to be and when.

23:36I never told her that the payments were starting because I kept forgetting about it. Again, that leads me to no confidence that you'll actually make the payment. What's your thoughts on that, though? The late payment and her promising she's going to double pay? We're really never late on payments, so that's just kind of crazy to me because, I mean, she usually tells me these things, so it's shocking to me. I just forgot about the student loan. Because it's been deferred for so long, I just forgot that I was going to have to start paying it now. Because I've been working. Okay, Southwest Rapid Rewards.

24:11We just put$1 ,946 on here. Great. The$40 minimum payment. Why would we put so much on that? That's an insane amount of money. Again, reminder, we're not paying$163 payment on something else. It's so bullshit. Oh, plane tickets, plane tickets. It's two plane tickets. That makes sense. For what? To come here. To come here. Oh, at least some of it gets reimbursed. Starbucks. Lightning Lane. Ship store. Seasonal Marketplace. Seasonal Marketplace. Those are all at Disney. Anaheim. Were you just at Disney? We went to Disney once in November and then we went a couple weeks ago. Are you kidding me? Are you guys like literal creatures?

24:57I'm going twice in January. What? We're twice in January? What the f*** are you guys? What the f*** are you talking about? Do you care? Do you care? What do you care about other than going to Disney? Because obviously you don't. What do you mean? Look at this. You just spent a thousand f***ing billion jillion dollars on this card. And it's all f***ing Disney, Disney, Disney, Disney, Disney, Disney, Disney, Disney, Disney, Disney, Disney, Disney, Disney. And then Wendy's. The December trip was for my birthday. because it was my birthday a couple weeks ago. F*** your birthday! It's 27! I guess that's the rent-a-car birthday, isn't it?

25:35That's your last special birthday until 59 and a half. So that's your last birthday until 50. That's exciting. We make every birthday special. Why? F*** your birthday. Everyone gets them. There's probably millions of people. There are millions of people with birthdays today. Who gives a f***? We're just on a rock that floats. We like to celebrate each other's birthdays. and I like to do mine at Disney. Which is cute. Why don't you do that when you're out of debt and have fully funded emergency fund and you're on track for retirement and you guys are getting to life goals? What is your philosophy on this?

26:09Is it an entitlement thing? Do you think because it's your birthday you deserve to do all this stuff even though you are not in a position to afford it? Two Disneys in these last couple months? Two Disneys next month? What the actual... Rich people don't do that. that s***. Rich people don't do that s***. Probably why they're rich. But rich people don't do that s***. And you guys are doing it? You guys are literally poor. Great income. But you're poor because you allow yourself to go into horrible debt and not pay it. The November, we only went for one day in November. You still traveled f***ing there.

26:46Bought a guillian dollars of food. It's my made up currency. We took our nephew for his birthday. F***ing his birthday. And we did split the ticket. And then we went for My birthday. Your birthday? And then we're going for our nephew's birthday in January. His birthday? I don't give a shit about birthdays. What is this obsession with birthdays? Get a little piece of cake and you're fine. Get a little piece of cake. We could even put Mickey on it. Who the f*** cares? For their birthday? How long of a drive is this? Five and a half? Yeah, about five hours. This is huge for financial audit. For a year now, my team and I have worked with experts to create what I truly believe are the three best educational programs in the financial space online.

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28:47I mean... For a day. For one day. $1 ,000 for a day. Guys, you make seven a month net and you blew through a seventh of it in a day? Unacceptable. Missing our student loan payments, i.e. the money you borrowed, federally backed, subsidized, from us, the taxpayers, you know, these ones right here, us, you're not paying it back. But you're going to Disney? Well, we're going to pay it back. You're not. Our next paycheck. Maybe. We'll see. That or you can have a bonus trip to Disney because there's a hidden relative's birthday you didn't know about. Well, next month, both trips we're going on, we're going with other people.

29:31So we've already committed to splitting the hotel with them. Yeah. Call them and say, oh, wait, I forgot that I'm literally a poor. I don't think we can do that. I think you can I think it's called having a mature conversation Being an adult And having literally any kind of sacrifice When I'm telling people to sacrifice things on the show I'm talking about sacrificing Watching or listening to some ads sometimes I think it's okay to sacrifice Not going to Disney for the 10th time in a year I'm talking about something so small And insignificant But my nephew's going to turn 3 And he's at a really few age So he won't even remember it.

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30:16He won't even remember it. He won't even. No, he won't. You don't start remembering things until like what? Around that three or four. But I doubt he'll remember. Core memories. What is it? It's like four, right? We took our niece for her birthday a couple years ago. She remembers the pictures and she's forming memories in her brain. Just like when you have deja vu and you think you had another thought of that before. But your brain is just convincing you that you had a thought of it. You're thinking of the thought you're thinking of. No, they don't. They see pictures and they're forming memories based on it.

30:47It's what we all do. If you think you remember something from when you're two, you don't. I think she remembers. No. They have really good memories. She's got a really good memory. They're very smart. Oh, yeah. Well, I'm proud of her. Maybe she needs to get hit in the head or something. But listen, take them a year later and they'll even have better memories and you'll have better money. There's a lot of years to go to Disney still. I don't think Disney's going away. We also promised our other nephew we'd take him for his birthday. How old's your nephew? He's turning... Is he turning nine? Nine.

31:22Oh, my gosh. None of these are, like, birthdays worth celebrating. His birthday's a name. Maybe if it was, like, a f***ing senera. Maybe if it was, like, you're 18. Maybe if it's, like, 21. AARP. Retirement. You don't get the I can rent a car with cheaper insurance. age Disney present. That's not really worth celebrating. But we already told him and we feel bad because we took his brother so we feel like we need to take him. Take him to a playground, put up a Disney statue and he'll think he's there. He's three. No, the other one. The one that's turning nine. Yeah. His birthday's in May and we're supposed to take him in May.

32:04So two in January then one in May? Yeah, but the second January trip is one of my friends from nursing school. This is literally the most insane shit I've ever heard of. I don't know if I've ever heard anything more insane in this show The three year old's borderline He's three He won't know where he is He's been talking about it He's been talking about it He asked us if we're going to Disneyland And we tell him yes And you shouldn't have said that It was irresponsible It was irresponsible Well his parents are going with us Oh this is great They can go you don't need to go I don't give a f*** You'll watch based on Instagram And we're sharing a hotel room Shut the f*** up I do not care I don't care guys How are you still Battling this You seriously aren't willing to give up Going to Disney only one time a year Instead of a thousand Just to get into some place of financial wellness Like I can't accept that How are you guys Like I can't deal with that That's not a conversation that we can even have, guys.

33:11We already spent the money for the annual passes. No, you haven't. Oh, well, yeah. The annual passes, yes. But again, that's a ticket to spend more money. And then we already booked the hotels for both trips in January. We did get a hotel credit card to help. To help? Because it gives us points. It gives us points. F*** your points. F*** your points. You're spending quite triple what you make. triple what you make on your three paycheck month. So probably quadruple your normal month. Well, it gives us points to go towards free rooms for later trips. You can't pay off cards if you're spending three times what you...

33:56How do I proceed in this? I can't... You guys are like in a cult?

34:08Minnie Mouse isn't going to have a three-way, guys. You do not have to go.

34:19You're unmovable on this. You won't cancel these trips? Well, we've made commitments to our other people. And then you have to have the hard conversation, the mature conversation. The conversation that no one wants to have because it's embarrassing and it hurts, But it's the conversation you have to have if you actually want to make some progress in this. If you guys actually want to start your marriage on a successful footing, these are the conversations you have to have. It goes beyond a choice at that point. And you guys can choose to do this actually. Go for it. But this is your future. This is what your entire marriage looks like.

35:02You guys are behind on retirement. You have retirement, but you're behind in retirement. Most of it is because of how long you were in school. You just didn't have a chance to get up. Your income should be, you should have one times your income saved in three years, two years for you. One times your income in your retirement accounts. It's actually one times your household income across the board. You guys are not on track for that. And that's just setting up some basic tracking to get to where you want to be by retirement. Because you need to have time in the marketplace to grow. For it to compound as the market does its thing.

35:34which are saying no, Disney, Disney now, Disney next month, Disney the month after that, and then probably a couple of Disneys the month after that. That's what you guys are choosing over retirement, and I don't know. It's the hard conversations, and you need to have them. We're not acting like we're 16 anymore. We can't. You can't act your nephew's age. you guys are 28 and 27 you need to have the adult conversations maybe with their parents and then maybe their parents can explain it to them okay so they're your sister or brother my sister how's your relationship then have the conversation then have the conversation if she's your best friend and sister she will understand because she will want nothing more than to support and love her sister that is true but but She also We're splitting hotel with her But what But we could just go this time And then we won't go the rest of the year You're talking about going three times People Are lucky To go to Disney once a Half decade or so even Disney's expensive You guys are not entitled to this This is disgusting Immature behavior that you think this is okay and acceptable.

37:02I don't even know what to do, guys. I have this Stephanie SoFi card. What is this SoFi? Personal loan? What's it for? 21 ,463 at 8%. What is this possibly for? You're going to Disney when we have an 8 %$22 ,000 loan completely offsetting all and every retirement account by far that you have? And we're going to Disney. Great. What is this? So we had A lot of credit card debt That we Wanted to try to Consolidate They all had like 20 Over 20 something percent interest rates So we figured the loan We could pay them off So you guys haven't made progress You're not a progress making people You haven't done anything You haven't done anything of note There's nothing to celebrate here And celebrate with Disney You're not paying on your f***ing student loans.

37:57You're spending triple what you make, and you didn't pay off any credit cards. You just consolidated it. We paid off some. I guess I just have to trust that. Well, isn't it better to have the lower APR than... Mathematically, yes, but what happens in people's positions like yours who have not fixed their behavior first? Have you ever consolidated loans in the past? No. No. okay so what often happens is now your credit cards just go right back up not today not tomorrow but it can happen that's what often happens because i know you haven't changed your behavior again triple the spending it is literally documented documented you know what's harder than sticking to a budget trying to predict the future of business One day inflation sky high, the next is crawling back down.

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40:05What does that mean? We've been in debt like twice But we So So basically has happened guys Did you take a consolidation? No But you got bailed down And then you built your debt back up What? So we had probably like$15 ,000 of credit card debt Like a few years into our relationship And it just so happened that at the time She lost her job job and just so happened people lose their job every day this is why you have an emergency fund right well they gave her really good severance she actually got severance for three months okay plus you file for unemployment she got another job within four weeks so she started her other wonderful delicious love it sounds like everything was perfect we used this severance to pay off all of our debt and we actually brought it down to zero but then the debt and then we brought it back up.

41:01Back up to a little over $15 ,000 again. But then we ended up using the COVID stimulus checks and a few other... We got a couple larger amounts. You're just waiting for a big chunk to come in. That's your only way out of this. This is your repeating cycle. And this is your version of the big chunk is now consolidating this debt. So just endlessly throughout your life, debt, big chunk comes in, debt gone. Then we build debt right back up big chunk comes in debt gone then we build it right back up then big chunk but this is a big chunk this is that you owe again you're not going to get another stimmy check i don't think so and severance that's to allow you to survive you got a job in four weeks last time that's amazing what if you don't this time after you know the severance might need to be there to survive guys and but yet we're going two thousand plus one thousand in a single trip to disney listen with the hotel and with how you did disney this last time what's not to suggest that you're going to spend a thousand hours at Disney each time you go.

42:00You're going two times next month and then one in March. You can't do this. You can't do this. You're repeating the cycle forever and you guys don't care. You guys don't care. The last time we were, I guess, before this time, we got into a car accident and so the car was totaled and we got money back for the car, but we paid off that loan and we used what was left to pay off more debt. So the cycle is now happening for the fourth time? Oh my. Is there another one? We also got paid for being injured in the accident. Oh, yes, yeah. So we got about nine grand. Separately? Well, same time. Combined, yeah.

42:42But even still, fourth time. Guys, it's obviously not working. So maybe we don't follow what you think is right. As in, obviously, this Disney bullshit is not working. so maybe we follow what is known to be right relatively no take our debt class take our debt class you can understand how bad your debt is debt payoff strategies what makes sense for your situation and we're going to help you by the end of this including creating a budget you'll go through the budgeting class because you guys have to be able to look at accounts together you have to be able to go through all these together take the quizzes it's hours of education but it's good it can change your life literally over 10 000 people have taken the stuff you go through it because you get it for free go through it you guys get it for 15 off as a bundle but you get it for free so go through it guys i'm going to set you up with a counselor to talk about this too it's just one of the resources so we'll set you up with domain money uh not domain money well why not them too i'll get you guys connected with the finance advisor so you guys can meet them but then i'll set you down with the sondermine uh three free sessions with them So it's the resources that we get to provide That we partner with, okay?

43:49Okay You can open a savings account with them And I love it, but instead you're just giving them money Practically, you're giving me money Oh, the monthly payment is$8.75? $8.75.81? It's more, but the loans for three years Which I figured would be better than paying on credit cards for ten years Well, sure, but even still, this is a seventh of your income, and then you're still choosing to put your money other places.

44:20That is not beating it. That is not – you're not beating the market. Your retirement is probably not beating the market. Usually, the stock market up and down gets 8 % a year. This year, sure, it's beat it, but next year, we don't know. You could go underperform. Like, the interest rate on this is horrendous. Let's keep going, I guess. Freedom card. What's up with this? That's what we put the Disney passes on. We, but, okay, but you're not even on the card. Oh, we, yeah, we just use whichever card. Yeah, you did, 3 ,064? Yeah, 2 ,000 or that. Well, you said it was 2 ,000. So what's the other 1 ,000?

44:54It's not like you guys have that. That was probably for just something else. Yeah, I don't really know. Casually, just something else. That's great. The interest rate period ends in three weeks. Yeah. You guys are so f***ing. why do this to yourself again fourth time the charm no that's not how this works why would you try the same thing over and over again and expect different results four times in a row guys this is so clearly not working well we didn't expect to get large sums of money we just so happened to yes but then you didn't change your behavior once you paid off the debt and it went back up again and this is the fourth time when that's gonna happen you're building the debt right back up again again you consolidated the credit card so what did you do you put three thousand hours on this one you put two thousand hours on the one previous what the that doesn't make any sense we put five thousand hours on the credit cards immediately after consolidating them is that are you guys like no offense that is literally like what a stupid person would do the thing is is i figured so i started working this year in march yeah and when i started working I figured that everything would kind of work out because we'd have actual income instead of living off of hers.

46:13So I thought that it would just kind of balance out a little bit. Has it balanced? Has it balanced? No, it hasn't balanced. Yeah, because you spent three times your guys' household income. So that's very far from balancing. There's not any word towards balance. Not even double that would be balancing. You spent three times your income. It doesn't make sense. Your income goes up. You guys spend double. Your income goes up. You just spend double what the new income is. You guys spend up. So you bring in$4 ,400 in a month. You guys already added$5 ,000 to credit cards that we've looked at so far.

46:47And you bring in$4 ,400 a month. You immediately just excuse some more spend. Your lifestyle inflates yourself and it's all fun. You're just like, oh, more income, more Disney. I just figured it'd be pretty easy to pay that off. You figured the f*** wrong. wrong it's not easy dude look you see how easy it was you had to consolidate it you never paid off any debt before you've always just had big lump sums of money happen because of a world event or something almost catastrophic like what historical precedent would suggest that it will be easy to pay off for you well a lot of so the the stuff that's on the loan the debt that's on the loan mostly came from while I was in nursing school because I wasn't working.

47:32So we would use it to pay for groceries or whatever we needed to buy. It doesn't matter. That's not what this is. I know. I just figured that because I was working we could pay off that nursing school debt we incurred. Instead we're just not even making those payments. So we got Annie's Hot Dogs. Only in San Francisco. Dolce Churro Cafe Went inside Target Got some cheap You know 26 bucks So it wasn't necessities Republic Ramen Big expense at Target 485 What do we go to Target for? At Disney gift cards? No way Wait No What day was that? It released Process On the 7th of last month I don't know what that would have been Oh good We don't even know where it's from I bought my friend's Disneyland ticket.

48:29Oh, yeah. See? But she's paying me for it. And has she? She's paid for - It's been over a month. I know, but she's paid for part of it. She just owes me the other half of it. Well, good news. Then there's$2 ,000 of Disneyland tickets after that. And then more Target. Oh, wait, wait, wait. What is this other? $4.85? There has to be another Disneyland ticket. Another ticket. What is happening? What is happening? How is this - What are you guys? I've never - met Disney adults before, at least I didn't think so. Why? Is this what they're actually like? You guys are creatures. You guys are a f***ing cult.

49:05You're spending so much money you don't f***ing have. $3 ,000 in Disney on this month and then$1 ,000 in the other card. $4 ,000 to Disney in one f***ing month. And you're going two times next month and one March and then a million more times next year. Two times in the last couple months. It doesn't f***ing make sense. How does this keep going? How is Disney continuing to populate throughout this conversation? Is this f***ing crazy? Is this not f***ing crazy? Well, they're paying us. The two people we're going with at the end of January are paying us back for those tickets. It's been over a month.

49:41It is also risky. You're essentially loaning out on your credit card. A balance you have not paid. Well, she is our old roommate and she's always paid on time, so I just trust her. It always takes once, just like your wants of not paying your student loans. Hey, you're a perfect example of what can happen.

50:04And are they paying you interest? No. Not that they would have to, but you're about to pay 25 % interest on them in a couple weeks. Balance is$3 ,024.24. The minimum monthly payment of$40 on your credit. Chase Amazon This one's also for Michelle A lot of the credit cards are in my name Why?

50:33I don't really know She doesn't care I just have two I think in my name You guys can't be trusted with credit cards You're not credit card people You're not credit card people Spend 816 on here 818 Again this is even more spending with a now minimum repayment of$2.80,$83. Balance$4.27. The spending is f***ing out of control. No wonder you guys are in the position you're in. The spending is out of control. I think I'm the one who typically spends on that one. I think that's just my Amazon card. Amazon, Amazon, Amazon, Amazon, Amazon, Amazon, Amazon, Amazon, Amazon, Amazon. A lot on Amazon. Interest accruing this year.

51:20Let me see your Amazon. Oh, I have multiple. No, it's just this one. Okay. Some of those are gifts for people. For birthdays. You can't afford things. It's not even Christmas. And Christmas. You cannot afford things, guys. That's Myers cleaning. Gift, gift, gift. We didn't buy those Myers gifts. The Myers thing. I guess it was on a subscription. A little tennis skirt. That was for Disney. For her. My other tennis skirt got... You can play tennis at Disney? No, I just like to wear them. And f*** you, where's clothes? Rain jackets, gray. Oh, guess what? More tennis dresses. What the f***? Opaque fleece-lined thighs.

52:10They were tights, so I wore those. So that's you can just see through? So you can't see through them, but they look like skin color. I wore those under the tennis skirt. In L.A.? Yeah, actually Anaheim is pretty chilly for me at least. Yeah, she gets cold. Hair tags you guys don't need or can't afford them. There's some dog food. You don't see that stuff being bought on Amazon. Lots of things for cats. Don't 100 % need all that right now. All the little jumpy jumpies. Probably cannot even afford the cats and dogs. Gloves and what is this? A professional metal compass? I don't know what that is.

52:48What the f*** are you doing? It's for woodworking It's a 1750 She likes woodworking I like you being out of debt and being able to retire Do you guys communicate when you're spending? We communicate a lot Well most of the time it's when she buys things On Amazon and it just shows up And I don't know what it is And she'll tell me about it after she's Purchased it but she does Return A good amount of stuff I saw a couple returns in there I saw a million purchases Yeah and I will say I'm planning on returning One of the tennis dresses Because it didn't work out What after you got your sweaty Disney ass No I didn't wear that one I just wore the skirt I didn't wear the dress This credit card balance is insane Oh that's the new one This is your It's a new one Well it was your balance transfer So a get a f***ing kid and then you built up your and then you spent$5 ,000 on the other one?

53:50$5 ,500. It's just... We have a long time to pay that one off. Guys, you're making me want to give up. You've done this repeatedly over and over again throughout your life and you don't seem to even suggest that this is a bad thing. It has not worked before. Well, I figured giving us a longer amount of time. You figured a lot of f***ing things throughout this conversation and one of them has not been correct. Well, now that I have a job, that one we have until 2026. When did you get your job? March. You've had a job! Since March. You didn't get it yesterday. The goals that you guys have, you're talking about having kids.

54:33Do you want a house? Um, I think eventually we do. These goals, these wants, these are things you're not going to be able to do. because you're around and you're repeating the same mistake for the fourth time now major life mistakes for the fourth time now that is not acceptable you get an excuse one or two times we all make mistakes i've made plenty and we all still do but you don't get to make them over and over again for the course of a decade and still be like and like sympathetic towards it you know It's hard You should have learned at this point Oh no she's not okay You have some sickness Yeah Well she's not sick right now She was sick like a couple weeks ago And the cough has lingered I'm a nurse don't worry she's not contagious You're what?

55:32I said I'm a nurse don't worry she's not contagious I wouldn't let her be here if she was You guys are junior men on the pavement Wonderful,$75 a month $74 How long does this take to pay off? Um I wasn't sure How long does it take to pay off, guys? With the minimum I don't know, like Maybe like Five or six years That's it? I don't know, what do you think? Is it that much? $75 a month And it's at like$7 ,300 105 years? Maybe not. Oh, she went under. Okay, 13 years. Oh.

56:19Yeah. Big fee. Balance transfer fee. $360. Yeah. 13 years to pay off. Is that what I said? Okay. The interest rate period ends in a year and a half. Not even. A year and four months. So that's going to be a lot of interest being paid. I thought that was enough time to pay it off. Again, it would be if you were disciplined. It would be if your other debts weren't going up. It would be if you didn't spend three times your income. It would be if you wouldn't have your wages garnished for not paying under student loans. Yes, it would be if you did the opposite of what you're doing. so in what world would you actually be able to if you continued the way you're doing plus three disney's planned that doesn't make sense that doesn't make sense i need to make sure you know that does not make sense you can't continue to have these thoughts in mindset because it is not true

57:29I just figured I'd give myself more time. I'm going to f***ing die. I'm going to f*** myself. What the f*** do you mean? Because that debt was, again, mostly from nursing school. And it was on a car that had a pretty high interest rate. So I thought I would... I had started working. But we were paying off all the other cars. So you're going to pay it off before interest hits. How much does it take to do that on a monthly basis? I'm not sure Oh But we're so confident that we're gonna do it and we don't know the f***ing number Well we were trying to focus on the things with interest Uh huh and then all of a sudden you just randomly have an extra $7 ,000 to pay it off How much On a monthly basis guys Starting today Um I don't know $463 a month Gotta round up $464 Yeah Yeah, that sounds about right.

58:25Yeah, it sounds about what you're not doing. Let's see, is it deferred? No, I don't think so. It keeps going, my gosh. Okay, more Stephanie, Apple Card. Why do you guys have so many cards? You obviously are not credit card people. You can use the type of credit cards that act like debit cards, like the Fizz card. It's the one we work with where it only lets you spend what's in your account. But you guys just spend all the money, all the money that you don't have. You're not credit card people. You owe$214.56 on this with a minimum payment of$125. What did you get? I think we have some. We? So you're both on this card?

59:08I have Apple Card as well. She does. But we. Oh, my gosh. So subscription. Oh, the more. You're f***ing Disney. You. I can't believe this. I've never heard or said of Disney more in my life in a day than today. Netflix, Starbucks, World of Disney, 4308. And then Tiana's Place. It's a restaurant at Disney. Wonderful.

59:45we got the apple cards because we're like big apple people so then we wait no no wait a second no no no you also owe an additional thousand yeah we have installments for my phone you do or both on this on this card not on this card okay well so this thousand is you is me yeah for my phone apple store apple store apple store apple store apple store i see four five different things so i have my phone and then i got an ipad with apple you needed that so that was actually because i just recently opened a small business and i'm using it for my small business yeah what's your small business i have an embroidery shop where i embroider like sweatshirts and shirts how's that going um i just opened it in november and so far i have i've sold two sweatshirts and i have four that i'm making right now uh-huh and how much did you put into it including all the equipment and everything versus how much you've made let's chat about your savings for a second if you're letting them just sit in a regular account especially one with a low interest rate you're missing out it's time to talk about cds or certificates of deposits and i've partnered with money.com to make finding the perfect fit for you as easy as it can be with cds your money earns more interest than it typically does in your regular savings account but the savings you don't touch but want to grow in the meantime money.com has made a lineup of the best cds from top banks all in one place you can easily compare options and see which one suits your financial game plan the best but why should you care because with cds you're not just saving money you're actively growing it.

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1:02:09Apple card, right. Yep, yep, yep. Okay. Balance of $309.13 with a minimum monthly payment of$96.11. Congratulations, you won the Apple Wars. Your minimum monthly payment is better.

1:02:27More Amazon purchases. And then we went into Target and got some...

1:02:34That's my therapist I go to. Okay, well, I support that. That's good. Remind me of that payment when we do the budget. And then you have two Apple things. So you actually owe an additional$880 to 63 cents on two Apple things. One was$1 ,019. Another was$3.44. One is actually my sister's, her cell phone. She pays me monthly for it. Great, until she gets hit by a car tomorrow and I can't. I hope it doesn't happen. And then the other is my watch. But it could happen. Your watch? Apple Watch. Let me see. I actually. Uh-huh. Exactly. It's what always happens. No, I wear it. It's in the hotel room. It's in the hotel room right now because it wasn't charging.

1:03:18It's getting big use. Interest charging. 18.7 % interest. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

1:03:30It could. Gosh, there's so much paper here. All right, Michelle, we're back. This is IHG. That's the hotel. This is your special little hotel. $880.63 with a minimum monthly payment of$40. Yeah, you just put brand new purchases and then$99 fee. What is that? Is that an annual store card fee? That's the annual fee for the card. We actually have to spend like$3 ,000 on it to get our bonus. And what's the bonus? 140 ,000 points. Which equates to in dollars I don't know but it was like a Mind you a hundred dollars a year I think it's like five nights That you get Five nights where? How much? In like most of their hotel Yeah well shocker it's hotel That was for my birthday Disney trip Yes one of the Bajillion Disney trips of course it is Is that all the debt guys?

1:04:31Went over the student loans Is that all the debt? This is horrendous The only other one we have is She has student debt I have student loan debt But it's involved in some like weird case right now So it's deferred What? Oh It collects interest but I.E. it's in a Are you trying to tell me it's in a Income based repayment plan? No So it's in some weird case where they may or may not be wiping A certain group Did you go to a potentially sketchy school? No No Okay what are you talking about then? Do you want to explain that? Well I don't know It's just some case that I got emailed about I don't know I was part of it It's like some weird fraud thing That they may or may not be Wiping the loans for I guess What do you mean they may be They haven't decided I think there's supposed to be a date So there was two groups How much in student loans 32 ,000 And what was your minimum?

1:05:35I've never had to pay on it It's always just been deferred Via you? No From that weird thing So the case has been going forever? No that was more recent And you're not requesting deferments? No Are you on an income based payment? No I don't know I just Why didn't you bring a statement for us to look at? because I might be able to tell you. Oh, well, I just figured because it was in that thing that it wasn't. Yeah, but don't you want to know more about it? Well, yeah. Don't you? She has an email about it. I just can't. I can never remember what it was for. I just didn't really think about it because they said.

1:06:12It's very scary. They said that it will be wiped if like. If they don't make a decision by a certain date. Yeah. Which is like next year. For fuck's sake. Any other debt besides that? We are paying There's no statement for this because we're just paying a family member For our car Because we bought the car from them What car? What is it? We have a Mazda 3 2013 Miles? 165 Okay We owe$1 ,100 left on it And we pay her$150 a month Which is what she wants So it's almost Still got almost a year okay now is there any more debt no okay okay so sofi you guys do have the sofi account see and i like it i use it too and for my emergency fund you have the checking account uh you use okay uh beginning balance 184 Current 2004 Okay So much is bullshit Panda Express Panda Express QT inside Apple Cash being sent Panda Express TJ Maxx Oh this is so much More Amazon Costco that's hard to tell But these are really cheap purchases Meaning that they don't really seem like necessities Like who's going and getting a$3.25 necessity from Costco Sounds like a fucking gliz Probably got a double-dub gliz maybe See Some BS from Target Some vending machine Ice cream, Starbucks, Amazon Glizzen it up, Raising Cane Starbucks, why are you guys glizzen so much?

1:07:58PayPal and Uber Eats for f*** sake That's the only We don't actually use those delivery services a lot I was at work and I work at night And so the cafeteria was closed So I had to Uber Eats something for lunch I think Michaels hates lesbians I think that's Hobby Lobby I think Hobby Lobby. Or maybe it's Michael's too. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe I don't. A lot of people do. Follow. Who hates who? World market. Who do they hate? Starbucks. Einstein's bro. Uber Eats again. $21. Some bulls**t. Target probably. Zelling out$50. Some cafes. Starbucks. Starbucks. Talking sticks. Resorts. Resorts. What's Fry?

1:08:44PayPal paying for$270? The f*** is that? That was for my embroidery machine. For my small business. For your small business. You just say for my small business. You haven't made anything. You can do that later. You don't need that now for my small business. I love small business. Do it. It's great. You don't have that level of risk. Our savings. Amazon? I think we're done paying that one off. Yes, but you put so much money into it that it could have been paying off debt. Changing behavior, saving for retirement, saving for an emergency fund. Amazon, Walgreens. We've got some bullshit Walgreens.

1:09:20Bullshit Walgreens. Probably. Those are probably medications. I hope so. Panda Express, Apple Cash sent out, McDonald's. Some glizzing it up. Stores. It's called fucking store. 757. Amazon, Amazon. BlackRock Coffee. Store again. 757. What the fuck is store, guys? I have no idea I have no idea what that is They must not either Okay I guess no one High flying foods Bullshit at a gas station Bullshit at a gas station Went in and got some bullshit Target and selling out a thousand dollars To f***ing who That's our rent to her brother It's his house This is so interconnected and weird It is like incest on your side Financial incest Everything is intertwined You gotta stop It causes weird drama eventually You just haven't experienced it yet If you have you should have learned your lesson Casino?

1:10:17Really guys? Einstein, Einstein Glizzen it up, Amazon, Amazon This is so f***ing long My throat's starting to hurt Mickey had a turn with me Bag O' Crab, Hot Stone Taco Bell, Sonic Drive Thru City Pass 162 Apple Bill Uber Starbucks What is this Forever Is there Roundup on there Is that why No it's not It's not Oh it is a little But it's not that much Popeyes BlackRock Also your spending is insane Still regardless of Roundup Went in and got some bull and Amazon and Apple Cash and Apple Cash and you guys have bull**** target probably and when you get a station you guys have bull**** $90 of Apple Cash being sent out another Apple Bill Taco Bell Peacock Peacock what the f*** are you watching on Peacock area arena 23 Amazon Amazon Oh No 518 Italian Dutch Bros Dutch Bros Gravity Coffee Venomate 25 beside in car wash?

1:11:35Guess you are in a desert. Desert is snow. That's when I'm okay with it. Even still, for just me and his purposes of car, that it was so many pages of bull pure bull We don't cook a lot because I'm not, I we're on different schedules so sometimes it's hard for us to coordinate with who's cooking. Meal prep! Warm it up! for f*** sake guys you're 28 and 27 you're not 12 meal per food is like never good yeah you're good being in debt's never good duh that's not true there is good debt not your versions not being able to retire is never good and maybe make better food learn how to use some season in here and there if I took that amount of money and just put it in my moomoo account my investing account that i use that would have just been growing that money would just be growing and compounding it'd be making money instead you're just throwing it all away thousand dollars spent going out to eat in one month by the way thousand dollars yeah joke everything everything you guys are doing is a joke you're living like children good luck having any with that mindset okay see here we go eleven thousand dollars in your retirement that's pretty okay.

1:12:57I want you to be a little more by the time you're approaching 30 in a couple years, but we are on a track, close to a right track. Yeah. You? I just started it. Yeah, you did. You were in school for so long. Is this the same thing or is this separate? No, those are separate. Good. So we're looking more$22 ,000 for you. And then I have, at my current job, it's at... Who has a traditional IRA? Me. Oh, so this is even more. Okay, you're on track, I think. You're on track. You are on track, which means, though, if we're married, we're only half on track. So, let's see where this all comes to. So$7 ,000 on a monthly basis is not going to put any of your business income in there, that's for sure.

1:13:47I'm going to put the big minimum payment for that one credit card so we can pay it off before interest starts accruing. it's just like let's not be stupid that's gonna push our our debt minimum payments are already insane without just that I don't know how you guys have allowed this and if your student loans kick in you're probably at about 400 bucks a month if that all goes to minimum payment guys this can't be true do I need to re-add this I'm gonna re-add this cause that seems insane

1:14:22Yeah, I got it wrong. But now I don't. Debt minimum fee payment is$2 ,272.30, which is pretty wild. It's pretty darn close to half your income, half your net. I don't know why you guys are allowing this or accepting it. How much is rent? $1 ,000? Yes. What about utilities? We pay$150 for water And then electricity is$270 No gas? That's included with the water Internet? $55 Renters insurance? We don't have it My brother We rent from her brother He has like Home owner's insurance Or whatever For the house I'd get it just to be extra safe If you're legally renting it through I'm putting$20 in there Get it Okay Phone bills What are we looking at?

1:15:15Are we together? My dad pays for mine. It makes his line cheaper, so he says he wants it all. Mine's$40. That's not bad. It's actually not bad. Okay. Gas, room, room, drive, drive. Probably about$160 a month. For both? Because we have one car. I work remotely. And she works remotely, so it's just me, really. Work remotely. Well, guys, we don't have time to get any food from the kitchen. Car insurance? $153. Definitely not the worst. TP Fund, anything else to survive? Giving you guys$200. There's nails, there's makeup, there's toilet paper, there's whatever. There's tampons. There's everything you need to survive.

1:15:55That is not covered in this additional stuff. You apply it more detailed going through the budgeting class that you need. Okay. Groceries. I'm going to give$600. Follow the meal plan in that class. Medical healthcare. Okay, therapy. How much is it on a monthly basis? Well, it really just depends on when I want to go. Well, give me an average.

1:16:1850 okay medications monthly um like if that's like 250 250 dollars yeah for what i didn't see that she doesn't even know for what no it's for your um oh yeah her yeah and she gets those the injections from like the compounding pharmacy they're like semaglutide injections so they're What's that? That's like Ozempic, but like the cheap version. Okay. Anything else medical? No. Have you lost weight? Yeah. How much? Over how long? Like 15. And I don't know. Like four-ish months, I think. With all this eating out, I'm surprised, honestly. Good job. Good job. You have pets. How much for pet food? We spend, well, yeah, probably about like$250 for pets because we have five cats and a dog.

1:17:17Good s***. And they all have pet insurance? No. None of them. So we don't have pet insurance. And we were looking into it when our dog got sick earlier this year. Yes. But now that she has, it's like considered a pre. What was her sick? She was like severely dehydrated and had like giardia. And then one of our cats too He's had a bunch of illnesses before So I feel like getting it for them Can you get the other cats? I'd get them just for those who you can I'm going to budget in$150 Because the ALs literally save you thousands You're not going to let them die And if you can't afford pet insurance You can't afford pets Anything else that needs to be in your budget That I have not put in?

1:17:59Speak now I don't think so Okay We still have enough I'm not going to give you any fun because this is so stupid I've been doing it and you need to learn discipline financially for the first time in both y 'all's lives so $879 left on a monthly basis okay

1:18:28that is paying off the

1:18:34Stephanie's USA Bank by the time that interest accrues. So we'll cross that off because that gets us there. I put that in your minimum monthly. Yeah? Okay.

1:18:48Admin a monthly payment on your student loans until they're paid off. Yours, probably same once you get them.

1:18:56So we have to work to pay off outside of those $30 ,419 of bad debt.

1:19:07we should never have allowed us to get in this position it takes 34 months it's not the worst it's about three years it's about three years but you guys got yourself into a three-year mess but that doesn't include being able to go to disney once at all if you do if you do go to disney i will allow you to go make more money with the second job someone both of you whatever it is or raises or whatever and once you're able to put a thousand dollars towards the debt to pay it off in two and a half years i will allow you to put a little aside over a thousand dollars after you put a thousand dollars towards that towards disney things if that's what really keeps you going throughout the situation but a thousand hours a month needs to go to a minimum if you're not willing to go get another job then you're not going to disney this takes three years to pay off and then probably another seven months to get an emergency fund or something That's what this is looking like My job does have a lot of Overtime opportunities Take them, nurse them Put in those needles Whatever you guys do Okay Okay There's options here Consolidations going forward Are not it Now it's a discipline change Now it's a maturity change Now it's finally taking control for the first time in our entire f***ing life.

1:20:30You can pay this off in two and a half years, even quicker if you really want to, take more overtime, get more raises, pick up a second job, whatever you guys need to do. But you're not allowed to go to Disney unless you're putting literally a minimum of$1 ,000 a month towards this debt and then an emergency fund after that. That is when you're able to go to Disney. Probably not as much as you do. I would still put more towards the debt because maybe we'll get out of this in two years rather than three. Why go to 30 in 31? Why be there when you pay off debt? It's going to be$30 and$29 instead.

1:21:01It's a little better. We're about halfway of where we need to be so far for the retirement. Actually, a little less because it's not an equal split. You do make less. You make half as much, meaning you guys are about a third of the way to your retirement goal in a few years from now. About a third of the way. You're behind. You're behind. But you can change it. This is the sacrifices you need to do now. Disney's not really in the picture unless you do it the way I discussed. All right, guys. Join us. Join us in the post show. That's where we have all the extra Goonie Wilds conversations. We talk about some more juicy stuff that we can't talk about on the main show for demonetization and privacy reasons.

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