Someone Finally Snapped On Financial Audit

8 Jan 2025 · 1 h 39 min

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Podcast Episode Summary: Someone Finally Snapped On Financial Audit

Episode Overview In this episode of Financial Audit, host Caleb Hammer conducts a candid financial audit with a guest named Avery, a 30-year-old nanny from Killeen, Texas. The discussion revolves around Avery's financial situation, including her income, debt, spending habits, and reliance on family support. The conversation reveals serious financial mismanagement and a lack of preparedness for emergencies, leading to a fiery debate on personal responsibility and awareness.

Key Participants

  • Caleb Hammer: Host and financial expert
  • Avery: Guest, nanny, and subject of the financial audit

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Episode Highlights

Introduction to Avery

  • Background: Avery is a 30-year-old nanny working 20 to 30 hours per week at a rate of $18 per hour.
  • Living Situation: Lives with her boyfriend who pays rent; Avery does not pay rent but contributes to household chores and expenses.

Discussion of Finances

  • Monthly Income: Averaging $2,500 per month, with additional income from extra household duties.
  • Debt: Avery admits to having significant debt, including:
  • $13,709 on a credit card with a minimum payment of $343.
  • Multiple IOUs to her family, totaling approximately $17,483.
  • Reliance on her family's financial support for various living expenses.

Spending Habits

  • Current Spending: Excessive spending on non-essential items, including:
  • Dining out (Uber Eats), vape products, and Amazon purchases.
  • A lack of budgeting discipline, choosing to make minimum payments on debt while not paying down the principal.

Key Discussions

  • Family Dependency: Avery's reliance on her family for financial support is a major point of contention in the discussion. Caleb argues this dependency is detrimental to her financial independence.
  • Mindset and Attitude: Avery exhibits a sense of optimism regarding her financial situation, suggesting that she believes she can "figure it out" without taking necessary immediate actions. This mindset frustrates Caleb, who stresses the importance of proactive financial management.
  • Future Planning: The conversation shifts to the need for Avery to establish an emergency fund and plan for future financial stability, particularly as she discusses aspirations of marriage and children.

Financial Education and Resources

  • Hammer Financial Score: Caleb assesses Avery’s financial health, rating her a low score due to poor budgeting, high debt, and lack of savings.
  • Future Strategies: Caleb emphasizes the importance of finding additional work or increasing hours to pay down debt and stabilizing her finances. He recommends avoiding further credit card use and suggests budgeting classes.

Emotional Response

  • Avery reveals feelings of guilt and inadequacy, expressing concern about not living up to her family's expectations while also feeling overwhelmed by her financial situation.

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Conclusion This episode of *Financial Audit* serves as an eye-opener for both the guest and listeners, highlighting the importance of personal finance management, the implications of relying heavily on family support, and the need for a proactive approach to financial planning. Caleb's direct and sometimes confrontational approach aims to challenge Avery's complacency and encourage her to take actionable steps toward financial responsibility.

Key Takeaways

  • Financial Awareness: Understanding one's financial situation is crucial to making informed decisions.
  • Action Over Hope: Relying on vague hopes without concrete actions can lead to worse financial conditions.
  • Family Enablement: Support from family can be a double-edged sword, fostering dependence instead of independence.
  • Budgeting: Establishing and adhering to a budget is essential for financial health, especially when dealing with significant debt.

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For more in-depth financial education, listeners are encouraged to check out Caleb's resources and courses available on his website.

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0:00To watch episodes of Financial Audit a week earlier, check us out on YouTube.

0:30hammer.com slash bundle or click the link in the description or pin comment below. Hi, my name is Avery. I'm 30 years old from Killeen, Texas, and this is the financial audit. What do you do for a living in Killeen, Texas? I'm a nanny. Oh, okay. Very cool. Okay, great. And how many hours a week are you working nannying? 20 to 30. All right. Killeen, it's an interesting town in terms of cost of living. It kind of really varies military town you can see low end but you can also kind of see high end sometimes the market gets pushed up with like limited supply and a lot of people living there how are you feeling living in killeen on 20 to 30 hours a week what's your hourly pay 18 an hour i feel pretty good coming from california to texas i sure would be doing better would you come September last year.

1:21Okay. But if it's 24 hours a week on average, 25 hours a week on average, it's$1 ,800 a month. Not really what most people would consider. Oh, including an extra$125 a week. Why? Because I do some extra things around the house as a nanny. I do like laundry. So cleaning as well. Oh, that kind of stuff. More like organizational, like tidy. Yeah. So just keep in the house. So an extra$180 a week? An extra$125 a week. So that's$500 a month. So$2 ,300. Well, how do you feel living on that then? Because again, we're talking less than$30 ,000 a year. From my history and where I've come from, I'm okay with it.

2:07Obviously, I know the possibilities of what I could be making. How are you living? Are you in-house, Nanny? No. So how are you living, though? Because it is... I don't pay rent. How? I live with my boyfriend and he pays rent. Oh, much more sense. Cause I wouldn't know how the possible you would be able to survive. Yeah. I would have to probably be a little, you guys move here together. I moved here to live in with them. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Things are making much more sense. So that's how you feel. Okay. Do you have a lot of debt though for someone that, you know, self reportedly feels okay. Yeah.

2:48You're right. I do. What hits your account? I'm saying I feel okay due to my history of where I've come from. So granted, it's not where it should be. Maybe not the best, but I do feel okay. So what hits your account on a monthly basis, income-wise? What hits your account? Definitely. Give me the average, or was I right? Yeah,$2 ,500. $2 ,500? Yeah. All right. And what are we doing with the$2 ,500 that comes in? What are we doing? Paying my bills and then blowing the rest. i'm like whatever but you're not paying your bills because we have debt uh you're right unless you're not considering paying down debt paying your bills saying that yeah i'm not paying down my debt what i am doing is paying my minimum so my bills i would say are my minimum monthly payments that's what i calculate why not pay down the debts what happens if you guys break up how long have you guys been together a little over a year cool well that's pretty young in terms of relationship at least these days but if you guys break up how are you going to survive you're not gonna be able to get rent to save your life good luck it'd be 50 for a basic average place yeah you could say that or i would survive like i think most people do figure it out yeah there's also literally hundreds of thousands of people that live on the street so it's not as easy as people just figure it out like a lot of things happen it is that easy though but how do you how do you get through life without obstacles crises like rocks bumps in the road you figure it out like maybe like girl i don't want to ruin your little rainbow road real quick but people literally die all the time people aren't just always making it to the majority probably but even still life expectancy is low in certain areas you put yourself in a bad situation force yourself through bankruptcy go ahead and get a car get really a bad situation isn't it all perspective of like an individual bad situation getting a car getting repoed and a non-walkable infrastructure area i think people have to hit their bottoms their lows in order to go you'd rather bottom in certain situations learning life lessons 100 but why not learn it before you get i'm so confused why would you come on no i'm being serious i know but why sorry why why would you want to get to the bottom if we can already know what the bottom looks like why get yourself there i don't understand the point i don't think when making decisions that you're going oh i want to like ruin my life it's like oh no i want the starbucks i want the target i want to go to the rave and then it piles up and then you're like oh shit i am kind of like at a rock bottom financially of course but you're not because you are seemingly but you're saying i could get to a worse like a lower yes but we don't know that we don't know that for no we know you can for a fact and then we don't know you will for a fact we know you can for a fact because other people are which would Not anything is possible.

5:36There are literally hundreds of thousands of people every year that get to a worse position, lose housing, lose their cars, get completely. And you're pretending. But you're pretending like that's not possible that people just figure it out. People don't just figure it out. People literally die. Is that the average person? You're talking about me. What would I be able to do in this situation? What would you be able to do? Okay, go ahead. You get laid. We're six minutes in. Why are we doing? Okay, go ahead. Something happens. he dies let's just say that so is that even a no no another one well i was just trying to pretend like your relationship didn't that okay fine uh pick another one yeah you guys hate each other now wonderful and you break up for whatever reason what would you do two thousand five hundred dollars a month before any taxes i mean if we're being honest i'd probably go back and live with my parents or see what my other options of jobs and live in any positions are like i'm gonna find a way because I can't afford to pay rent on my own.

6:33I wouldn't get approved even for renting a place. So I would be okay with finding that other job. The thing about falling back on the parents, that is not inherently a bad thing to have a good support system. But again, we're talking about right now, you are specifically choosing not to pay off debt, specifically choosing not to get a fully funded emergency fund, particularly choosing not to get retirement so that you can go off to ego club whatever the f**k you do yeah instead of setting yourself up for a potential situation in case an emergency were happened because you're able to fall back on mommy and daddy do you not see how that's a little uh immature for a 30 year old you're a year older than me but you're acting like you're 15 years younger than me do you really think that people get anywhere do you think people get anywhere without help from other people maybe yes falling back on my family does not look like i'm going to move forward however i don't think are you talking about what i just said do you get really anywhere in life truly on your own you don't have help from outside people you don't have information you don't get connections no like you're what your net if we bring it down to the most granular detail of course we can make a thing i wouldn't have been able to make a youtube channel without the youtube channel platform working or without it being existing you're going to talk about systems i'm talking about people and Maybe my people happen to be my family.

7:54I wouldn't have been able to start a YouTube channel without someone founding YouTube. Yes, but people are able to. You're taking it far back. Exactly. I'm saying if I break it down to the most granular level, yes, I can say that. However, if we're just saying, can people make it with. Yes, many people have made it growing up in an orphanage without a family and never having a family. Many people have made it in a lot of situations with abandonment of parents. People have made it going from homelessness to multimillionaires. Of course people can make it without other people. So you saying that literally no one else can make it without that is incorrect.

8:28Is it a lot harder? Of course. And I am not saying it is bad to have a support system. I am saying you are specifically choosing to not put yourself in any kind of situation of any kind of protection if in any emergency would happen because, you know, mommy and daddy would take care of their 30 year old child. if something were to happen instead of you being a reasonable responsible adult and taking care of your debt getting an emergency fund and making sure you have a chance for retirement what what are you doing what is this what you you disagree you disagree with that somehow somehow me we're 10 minutes me go on please do you need a break no no but that's a pretty i'm a little i am upset because that is such an immature mindset that if everyone believed like you we would just completely fail as a culture so it's pretty upsetting it is i think a little delusional sure however my delusional being positively delusional has maybe got me this far and maybe it's gonna look this far you rely on your boyfriend if your boyfriend didn't exist you wouldn't be able to survive what are you talking about rely on him because yes because he pays rent as in the roof over your head as in like the most basic minimum requirement to life besides food and water if i wasn't with my boyfriend then i would be paying rent on my own but we just decided you would not be able to in this situation in texas but before i was paying rent on my own so i can't do it california income texas income why is that translated what what were you doing in california i was a nanny okay so in colleen why do you think you're making some so what were you making in california 30 an hour okay definitely a big hit there now are you able to start can we pick up extra nannying on this but it's not an income situation again you have already described your behavior it's not that i need you to go make money it's just it's how you're managing your i I mean, this debt,$600 went towards it, but it only actually went down by$70 less than because you're spending.

10:35And it's probably like over the limit. So like does this like extra thing too? I like to get rage debated on Twitter oftentimes. What's that? It's where you're just baited into being raged. there's a lot of people on there that are endless victims constantly throughout their life and nothing is in their control ever ever ever and a lot of people what they say is essentially it's like the most dangerous thing in the world to be like a single woman okay cool i mean that's i see a lot of that stuff what you are doing if you do become single though because of your actions right now you actually are putting yourself in a situation that is dangerous you don't know what's going to happen to mom and dad they're not always going to be here either so if a relationship the instance where then it goes okay you figure it out right that's not that's not a reality i don't understand how do you not understand because i have specifically said and okay let's get some basic statistics let's not the thick things right amazing time for a software update guys thank apple thanks do you want to just like start from the normal conversation the normal conversation before we were supposed to get like the fuck you talking about no i think this is a very important part because like your entire life is revolving around you not having a mature worldview what's your definition of mature well you're gonna one second i'm looking something difference in opinions on that thing multitasking okay it is uh no not very well okay it is your worldview of i will just figure it out put yourself in such a dangerous position that you don't even understand because i have had people on this show i have had people on this show that thought they would just be able to figure it out and then they're in hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt because they had no choice but to try to survive and then they end up getting i've had multiple people people on the show that are approaching their 60s hundreds of thousands of dollars in credit card and payday loan debt and guess what not our chance of retirement to the name they're gonna have to survive out social security good luck ever being able to survive in any kind of world with no support system because their parents aren't alive at that point what are they gonna rely on their kids is that their kid's burden morally probably but that's not fair because an immature adult didn't take care of things i don't see i don't okay let me give you the danger by actually finishing what i'm trying to do okay one eternity later about a year ago 653 100 people on just a given night weren't able to figure it out in a given night that was the number of homeless people in the united states on a random given night in 2023 according to the national low income housing assessment report from hud and that's the danger is that i would be homeless because i would have too big of an ego instead of going back to my parents or finding a job that would actually provide housing because that would be so hard to do it could be you don't know you haven't you're 30 no offense we're basically the same age.

13:36We saw a little from the peripherals in our life, the Great Recession, but you and I have actually not lived through in the workforce what a real recession is like. You think job and income is always going to be there. That's not how it works. In the Great Recession, what were we, 8 % unemployment? That is 8 % of people that were looking for jobs that were not able to get income. This is not a guaranteed thing. And your parents being around is not a guaranteed thing. And if you continue that mindset and that life of being able to rely on the boyfriend, being able to rely on some magical job that's always going to exist and being able to rely on your parents always being around.

14:08Those things are not a guarantee. I'm saying you not being able to take care of yourself and send yourself off for any emergency is the danger because you might end up as one of those 653 ,100 people that were given homeless on any given night, which was a 12 % increase from the year prior, by the way. I want to give you free money right now. I've partnered with different resources that will literally give you hundreds of dollars the moment you sign up for them. Check out my investing app of choice, Moo Moo, where they give you up to 15 free stocks and 8.1 % interest on your uninvested cash when you sign up with my link.

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15:13So don't pass up the free money because I'll punch you. I mean, who wants to be homeless? No one, but I'm saying it could be you. No, no, no. Let me give you the danger part because that's a large amount of people. You just want to scare tactic me into your... Are you not? You're not scared of that? How is that not scary? It's not a scare tactic. It's basic reality. Maybe I'm just not afraid of that. I think there's scarier things. Because you've never experienced real struggle, obviously. You've never experienced real financial struggle. You've never experienced a real financial sacrifice. So why would you?

15:47You've never experienced it. Okay. No, you're just being annoying. I think I just disagree with you. And it's frustrating that you can't get me to agree with you. like I hear what you're saying like the danger part the danger part I'm just saying there's way more dangerous things and like what you're talking about is here we go violent crime right violent crime right for those violent crime right violent crime violent violent it's not my reality you want me to accept reality but that's not my reality it's not your reality because you haven't experienced it yet violent crime right for those who are homeless you want me to experience a reality that I haven't experienced that I could be afraid of experiencing it not setting yourself up for a basic thing that many people statistically go through why do you think you are out of the norm compared to a normal person you don't know what life can give i don't think i'm out of the norm then why do you why the do you not think this is a possibility for you if you are homeless it is if you are homeless i'm afraid of it i don't see you're talking about the danger the danger is 40 more likely to experience a violent crime if you're a homeless individual versus not homeless and if you don't set yourself up for any situation where you in the worst of the worst situation are able to put a roof over your head like many people who are having utilities cut off in the United States because they are not taking care of their s**t, their choice or not, you are setting yourself up for that danger.

17:06What if it all goes to s**t anyways? Then the money doesn't matter. Like those things are - Oh, you're talking about societal collapse? Sure, fine. In the point zero, zero, zero, zero. No, you go ahead. If society is collapsing, then there's no point into any conversation ever. but let's base true but let's base it on the statistical likelihood that society is going to resume and maybe protect ourselves even slightly protect ourselves from the illusions that we have in our head that fear and danger is upon us if we don't hey guys if you're not a moron like her go to caleb hammer.com slash apply and come on the show i this is are you like being serious wait hey hey question why the did you apply to come on the show uh because i need some help is she literally because are you like are you kidding me you applied to get hope and then the one thing i immediately tried to talk about on how you are dangerously not taking care of your finances you immediately we immediately have a 20 minute back and forth bull about it dangerously so why did you apply for help if you aren't willing to listen to that most basic thing you're telling me to be afraid of the danger not i'm in a dangerous financial situation you are in a dangerous financial situation okay that's different than being afraid because i'm going to be homeless soon right i'm saying that could happen because of the dangerous financial situation you're in how did you not understand that are you not capable of having that very flat brain comprehending the complicated airflow that is going over to you no i do understand that i'm sorry i'm now i'm just being insulting because you're pissing me off i'm sorry i shouldn't be insulting that's not what this no it's okay go ahead no no no no where do you think you are in this world by the way finances zero to ten zero being the worst ten being the best where do you think you are where do you think you would land i mean if you're looking on a scale of me and my history of my finances your history where do you think you are right now dude for a global scale out of everyone zero being the worst ten being the best i'm not talking about sub-saharan africa and zika but zero how does the perspective go into that is it me on my scale of finances i'm doing better than i have done so i would say really you've been able to last with your boyfriend for a year somehow last you you guys have conversations conversation and he has kept you around for a year we don't look at each other that's funny yeah we have conversations and he's allowed you to stick around allowed me to stick around like i am not a gift

19:42wait you said five i mean yeah because i'm not even gonna do it if you want your hammer financial score it's free link in the description below see where you are in the assessment of life are you gonna assess me and give me a number yes at the end have you seen the show you applied i watched all the tiktoks they're good oh good okay so you just haven't seen the full thing You don't even know what the full thing's about. Take the mic and pull it close to your face. You're soft. No. You're delusional, but you're soft. Are you taking notes? Yes. Oh, my gosh. I just want to know. I thought your notes were in the book.

20:22We're sure you can take care of a child without it dying. Yeah. That's so funny. I'm clearly a little delusional about the finances, but I'm very good at my job. $13 ,709.64 on this credit card. Oh, I probably look like an asshole. Correct a window. I'm raging. $343. It's your minimum monthly payment. That's f***ing insane. Just for a credit card? Wait, are you getting paid a nanny? Okay. So, listen, I don't think you would have to pay too much in taxes if you report it. Do you even report your income? The taxes. What's your tax situation for last year? What do you mean? How much money did I make?

21:02how much should you say you made and how much did you pay in taxes i don't know that's not a number or really an answer isn't it i don't know how have you made it how have you made i mean how how are you able to drive down to austin without crashing i'm a good driver what do you mean you don't know did you file taxes i don't remember

21:34that happens like once a year and turbo tax sends me like these reminder emails okay and sometimes like i go sometimes i've done it and they like auto fill if i get like a piece of paper in the mail that looks tax things i do that no there was no class on this nor did i ever google i know we all have access to google oh you've heard me say that yeah i love the tiktoks oh my gosh you are actually a creature okay you're like somehow existing right now i i like we're on a different plane of reality so maybe our realities stop stop don't try to say something cute i'm going right with no i don't i just don't want you to try to say anything cute you're just brain rot to the max have you do not know if you paid taxes last year no not how much but do you know if you paid or filed taxes i think i did you think you did for one of my jobs i think what because like when i moved here i got a job at a school and a gym and didn't like really last long and like maybe why because you couldn't operate in a conversation with a human probably because they're not just children i didn't have a car at the time so dude i didn't have a car at the time so you laughing about not having a car i was driving no you're what you said and so i was riding a bike it takes her 30 seconds to process yeah so have a i was ready i mean go go go go go go go i mean let's let's get through this let's get through this go go go just go right let me i was riding a bike and it wasn't really the vibe so the school i was working at yeah it wasn't how have you made it this far in life i'm literally trying to tell you but you're saying it's not possible and that it's not a reality and i should agree with you but like i'm literally sitting in front of you like a walking i'm sorry please continue my perspective it's what it's one of my bad traits that i interrupt a lot please continue it's okay interrupting chicken anyways so i did not like riding the bike and i didn't know how to get to my second job so i was catching an uber so i'd ride the bike to my first job at the school i'd work all day ride back catch an uber go to my second job at the gym and then like that just wasn't doing it for me i eventually got a ride from a co-worker to and from the school and then i was in the rain one day trying to ride my bike i didn't know how to get across the freeway or under i said it quit over the phone so what was the question what jobs did you file taxes to so i had those two jobs i'd possibly they were w2'd so probably maybe but even maybe not for you but i'm talking about this stuff this isn't make more than you have to make more than like 5 000 or 7 000 how much have you wait are you saying you didn't even make five thousand dollars last year well i just set those jobs individually listen this nanny stuff is not w2'd so you have to claim this as income and pay it later the taxes when i figure what you're saying you're when you figure out you could plug it into turbo tax they make you do it i'm not even advocating for them but oh there was an error in this you need to redo it or call them and figure out what the to do or talk to a cpa yes call email huh i don't know that stuff you don't know how to call customer support to a company i do i don't know to call or cpa or get help like turbo tax is like an app i just see it as an app do you do turbo tax not anymore we're beyond well maybe turbo tax life help me with whoever does your taxes you get to sit down with a free financial advisor at domain money because you came on the show and everyone in the audience also gets a free session if you use the link in the description below but you could do that so maybe start there when's the last time you actually filed taxes for this nanny income because you were doing nannying in california when's the last time you filed taxes can you can you please tell me no i'd have to know that the last time when's the last time you're confidently you filed taxes uh when i worked at the casino they gave me a w something no no from the nanny income claiming the nanny have you ever claimed the nanny income i i'm certain you have okay when when's the last time you're confident you claim to the government you told them you i'm making this much a nanny income when i did the casino job when was casino job 2022 oh so two years ago so we probably haven't filed in two years for the nanny income yeah now that you would pay too much your tax bracket's not substantial i mean i remember the first time i went to do this i was like oh i didn't even make enough money to even file taxes so not going to do it and then it was like well you just fly under the radar let's not fly under of the radar you at least have to report what you are making and then whatever bracket you fall into realize that it's like okay well how do i do this turbo tax numbers it's like a lot state in california which is a progressive tax system so it would still be very little if any i don't know their tax brackets i haven't lived there i had money back from doing my taxes probably probably but you also haven't claimed all your income they probably thought you were much lower than oh my okay 30 minutes now and we haven't haven't what i'm just trying to just like assess where you're at and it's uh you have it all in front of you look at the papers you need to get like i think you need to like tone it down that probably was inappropriate i don't give a about inappropriate i will be the most inappropriate person in the world my audience is not filled with a bunch of performative pearl clutchers pearl clutchers yeah try to say it again pearl clutchers crushers what'd you say that's what i'm trying to get at what is that okay okay there you go yeah once you make uh up to eleven thousand dollars which you make before that but for the income you make up to eleven thousand six hundred you have to pay ten percent uh of that your income and then you don't make up to forty seven thousand but for everything above that eleven seven thousand six hundred one dollars you'd have to pay twelve percent of that income in federal income taxes you don't have any child so you don't have any child tax credits you do have standard deductions and in the standard deductions would you owe much probably not uh in your income scale if any you might get some back you might not but you still have a bunch of words i don't know like really fast you gotta like really break it down here i don't know if we're gonna be able to like get through this then because i mean this is kind of basic stuff they did at least teach this in school in terms of like you have to pay taxes at some point i went to private school then they really should have i don't know you went you come from wealth i wouldn't say private school is not cheap i don't know i would say my parents are middle class you went to private school yeah k through college k through college yes sir did they pay for college well partially yeah in my books they're rich okay okay are you kidding me private school and you came out like this pretty good are you taking this seriously as serious as i could take finances then why'd you come on the show because you seem like with it no because everything we've talked about so far you're fighting do you not understand that no i do understand that what we're fighting and arguing about is like our perspectives of the things and like literally the notes and the things you mean by it no i'm just trying to get if you've paid taxes that's not a perspective thing i don't know i told you that i know i'm not hiding it i don't know if i've paid taxes in the last two years four times since i started working in 2017 yet now we know you come from a very privileged background yes and it's showing immensely very good because you've never had to put any work into anything or sacrifice anything ever in your life nor witness anyone go ahead what have you sacrificed i go ahead and say about the sacrifice i have of course not for things yeah what's your hard work go ahead well first off i do watch children have been doing that since 25 hours a week okay go on for you you're very smart but for me high school was difficult college was difficult actually made it through got those degrees not everybody hey i don't have a college degree okay Okay, so I suck at school.

30:13The format of school does not vibe with me. Doesn't vibe with me either. Okay, I'm not crying about it. Go ahead. I'm not crying about it either. However, I'm saying I have done hard things. That's your hard things is going to school for sake. Okay, yeah, you've never experienced anything. This is huge for financial audit. For a year now, my team and I have worked with experts to create what I truly believe are the three best educational programs in the financial space online. We have our budgeting program where I teach you how to create, manage, and revolutionize your budget and control your money.

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31:25And finally, you can too at a more affordable price. Head to calebhammer.com or click the link in the description below. You will not regret this. you've never experienced difficulty wow a structured system where i had to take classes that was my hard little wife oh well if you don't want to go to college and it's something that you are required to do have to do doing something you don't want to do is hard it takes right like in my opinion you have to have the will to keep doing it knowing you don't want to do it and you can walk away at any moment you could walk away at any moment and quit 100 and i didn't so sounds so privileged.

32:04Is that funny? I do find it funny that you're grossed out that I come from privilege. No, no, no, no. It's looking at you right now. Again, the reason why, and this kind of stems back to our first conversational point now, it's all coming together for me and likely the audience as well. All this that you're saying makes so much more sense that you have no fear about what can happen if you don't get to a basic financial security point because you've had nothing but privilege. You've never experienced real hardships in life you've never experienced real struggle and because of that you don't know what it can be like you don't know what it's like on that other side how do you think that any individual goes through life and doesn't experience their own version of struggle and yes but your version is light your version is life light easy it's diet life light is that what you're saying like it's an easier route yes so pain objectively well no pain for you and pain for me might be unsure we're comparing them yours might be worse than mine but we're both experiencing pain like if this isn't a trauma competition no one's saying that but you cannot compare getting foreclosure notices on your house growing up to getting having to go through private school and taking quizzes if you are putting those on the same level but you're comparing them i'm saying don't compare them i'm moving on i'm moving on this is so pointless this is so stupid we're gonna disagree about it but you asked me a question i'm giving you my answer and you don't accept my answer no i don't because it's bullshit okay well as easy as it can possibly be i don't know how you want these conversations to go do you want to keep asking me questions and me lie to you like do you want to give you the answer you want because i'm i'm telling you genuinely what it is for me and my perspective no it's your it's your inflexibility you can have a delusional answer but if i can at least get you to the point of a relatively decent worldview on why you should have an emergency fund as simple as that okay i can agree with you that i need an emergency fund however the fact that i haven't had one and don't have one i'm going to tell you my rationale and the reasoning why and at the end of the day i probably still don't agree that you need those things the end of the day you need sunlight water food right i hope for your sake in your life your parents cut you off at some point this is the most privileged take i've ever heard it's gross it's immature yes the fact that you think you don't need an emergency fund absolutely because you've been nothing but babied your entire life absolutely because you have a little prettiness your boyfriend's taking care of you because your mama and daddy's little girl they've always taken care of you you've never had to deal with anything i'm done with this 13 709 dollars on here 343 minimum payment a substantially large minimum payment again 2500 is what comes in we don't set anything aside for taxes not that much would be owed in the end anyway but we know that you are in tax brackets tax brackets that have to owe money but with standard deduction who knows what you would actually have to pay in the end but even let's just say 2250 is what you have left currently this minimum payment is over 15 % of your income, one minimum payment on one card.

35:20So what do we do as a responsible adult who is trying to take care of ourselves in any way whatsoever? Of course, we make, you know, double the minimum payment, but then we purchase$207.72. Well,$322 of interest is accruing, meaning even though we put$608 towards it, only$69 actually went towards it. guess what you only do the minimum payment on this card and you don't purchase anything which is by the way better than what you're doing currently because you're still purchasing on it but let's just say you do that how long do you think this takes to pay off if i did only the minimum payments and you don't purchase oh she figured that one out um five years okay 57 years oh yeah and you're not living till then so well then maybe nothing to worry about

36:20why because it's gonna be so long that it doesn't matter yeah then then again why come on the show like if that if that's your mindset the possibility of another route than the route i'm taking and going on but that route doesn't scare you you don't care that you would have to pay a minimum monthly payment on here of a substantial part of your income because you barely make anything for 57 years reality scare me no no no of the different no this is your reality but that doesn't scare you that basic fact no i don't know why then what's the point of this i'm not talking about fear because the possibility of being able to do more of what I want and I really want to have children.

37:09You want to have... Yeah. I've been building the skills since 2017. I've been a nanny. You've been what? A nanny. Building the skills. Oh, I heard Skittles. I was so confused. Okay. We're good. So 57 years doesn't scare you because you have a relatively decent chance within the next 20 years of drowning in a glass of milk or something. And by the way, the entire thing you would be paying is$123 ,000. Okay. So 10 times your balance on here. You'd be paying that in total if you only did minimum payments without purchases, which is better than you're currently doing. What are we purchasing? Amazon, Amazon, Amazon.

37:55Went inside some Target. Got something. Doubt it's groceries. I bet you haven't even seen a vegetable. Be scared. You think it's for horses. Starbucks. I am a vegetarian So it is actually mainly Actually Well I could see that Yeah it's all coming together You sure you're not a vegan? I have been but no Bite the bagel Starbucks Went inside and got some bulls From the gas station What'd you get for$17.81 Inside Inside this What's the gas? You went inside Inside the gas station Oh yeah you went inside Got some gas station vegetables Oh no Oh white claws Of course Yes Yeah pull up your Amazon for me Let me see what you got Well, to be fair, it is not just my Amazon, so it will not just be my purchases on here.

38:40Okay. Are you sure when you think you are showing up to take care of children that you are not actually being put in that group to be taken care of? A hundred percent. I am definitely the one in charge. Unless that is what they have told you. Who told me? Are you sure it's not a Shutter Island type of situation? I would have had to seen that movie to know what you're talking about. But you would have been lost immediately. So don't worry. No, I'm just being mean. Stop it. Stop it. The thing is, you're being mean. I'm not catching it. I think you should say it like facts. It's going over my head.

39:18Stop it, please. You can't. Don't do this. You can't do this. We got a drink mix. Some woman balance. We're balancing out our womanhood. Nutrition oat or Nutrim oat. hydro sensitivity sub out razors gosh it's all supplements and oh wait cat treats and then yeah it's either cat treats or supplement and protein my mom's purchases what are yours because we had a few hundred bucks spent on Amazon in here what did you get did I buy oh I got protein powder I got creatine I got a scale and like one of those food scales. Like a smart food. So literally the stuff I called out, you're like, no, they're only my mom.

40:04Okay. Well, the ones you said, yeah. Yeah, I did a 27.74 % interest rate. Well done. Thank you. You don't like classes. So even if I give you our debt class, investing class and stuff, you're not going to take it. You'll see the first quiz. Because you'll take the first quiz because you said your big struggle in life is you had to go through school. You're going to see the first quiz and you're going to run away to mom and dad crying. you guys can get all our programs for 15 % off bundled and actually take it on like her she'll get them she probably won't figure out how to open it in her email address i'm being mean i'm being mean maybe i'll just call the support line we don't have a support line it's a support email oh well maybe you could have someone we are not a multi-million dollar company we are trying our best here to do what we can do car max so we have a car this is your car that you brag about that you're able to drive very proud of you thank you glad you're able to make that see there it is do you understand that i'm insulting you right now when i say that well you might be insulting you but what i'm okay okay different like i can drive a car i think i need to reassess this conversation okay for the productive sake i have been treating you like a genuine adult and just like like insulting you because adults shouldn't have that but i think i need to stoop this down to a 15 year year old level instead of making jabs at you i think i just need to baby you through this because i don't think you can that's what is better for you by all means go ahead okay they they're saying i should back it up to at least 10 years old

41:39as you need go ahead no for for the sake of you and for the sake of the video too so it's not a waste of everyone's time no i'm being genuine i know you are and that's why i'm saying and that's why i'm saying i need you to back it down okay and no longer treat you as an adult treat it like we're in grade school can we have some grade school music playing makeup please i think we need this and this is uh and coco melon financial audit hour should we animate this section that would be sick so this car what is this what is this car that you have that you i have a chevy tracks lt wonderful what year 2018 i don't know you don't know i'm not sure i got it last year okay it drives i made it 30 seconds end of trying to be nice i can't no you're doing a really good job i'm enjoying it i'll say 2018 works for me

42:402018 Chevy Trax LT okay yes you have good self-restraint $16 ,436 on here it's at a 15 % it's at a 15 % interest rate yeah I applied and got approved accepted all by myself so did it by myself thank you shake my hand I'm very proud of you well done this is so good you've done such a good Good job, sweetie. Oh. Okay. I'm treating you like your parents. Oh, good job. Which actually hasn't helped you. So maybe we shouldn't do this? You want to go ahead and baby me because you can't handle your emotions about how I'm responding. By all means, go ahead. Ooh, a little c***iness. I mean, just saying.

43:24I didn't have a problem with your reactions, but you were having a problem. No, I just felt like you weren't getting anything from it, which is what made me concerned. I think I'm getting what you're saying, but I'm responding as the way I'm going to take it, right? like you're gonna why why not try to learn anything what's wrong with trying to learn anything job and be like actually like that is really actually a compliment like you're not saying it that way but i took it as a compliment what is wrong with walking away from what someone has ever told you and just like potentially embracing it i'm an absolute dumbass in 99 % of life i'm pretty good at this part because it is something i self-taught and learned from a lot of other people if i am a dumbass at something like cooking for example maybe i should listen to what chef jake over there maybe i would listen to him instead of be a defensive little when he tries to tell me anything okay oh the 10 year old went out the window no it's done it's done okay it's done because you started to be in a so i'm gonna treat you like a adult okay i don't know what i'm doing here i'm losing it are you feeling overwhelmed by your financial future whether it's planning for retirement saving for a home or managing your investments, navigating these decisions alone can be really stressful.

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46:28That's what I'm saying. that's what an adult does when confronted with new information even if it challenges their worldview that takes time right you're talking to me in real time while i'm processing the things you're saying and then what i have to sit on it so at first like i'm giving you my genuine response my genuine answer 2025 the year of not kicking off guests 2025 the year of not kicking off guests 2025 the year of not kicking off guests it is 2024 still you are uploaded to 2025 i'm trying I change things in the mood of the Christmas spirit. 15 % interest on here.

47:02Do you know that that is bad? Yeah. You do know that. Well, I've heard that it's supposed to be lower. But when you look at my credit cards. Like what number? Yes, of course. I've heard like, well, possible five to 10, three to 10. Am I getting closer? There's no way. The first numbers you were saying. No, no, no. If we're like under four or five. Okay. Well, those people probably have like good credit score or like maybe a cosigner. It's not just about that. It's just about understanding money down. Okay. It's not, I'm not even just talking about that good credit score or what to achieve. Oh my.

47:41I'm just trying to make sure you understand what is a considered a good and not good interest rate. Okay. Okay. I'm just trying to get you to understand that. Mine is not good. Yours is not good. But again, I wanted to ask you what you consider good. And you're saying even up to 10%. No, no, no, no, no, no. If we are like 6 % or up, absolutely not. Okay. Mine is not good. How can I get it good? It's less about that. I just wanted to make sure. I don't think you can because your credit score is not great and interest rates are not fantastic right now. Okay. But the$435 minimum monthly payment is very scary for your situation.

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48:19very scary explain okay this is like if you woke up and you couldn't find your sippy cup it's very scary uh-huh and you have to call mom and dad it's like that very scary okay I'm super scared does that make more sense totally I'm really scared you disgust me okay what is the term on this do you know oh okay till the end of the decade Wonderful. Good. When she's 35.

48:55Is that bad? Isn't that normal? Isn't it five? There's a difference between normal and good and bad. The normal American is f***ed. The normal American has a car payment in the 600s. The normal American is getting a new car every few years. The normal American is drowning in credit card debt. The normal American can't afford a$1 ,000 emergency. F*** normal. I don't want you to be normal. I want you to be doing better. because you no matter how much you piss me off and no matter how not intelligent in this world you are and how you've survived them beyond concerned but either way no matter all that you are still a human being that exists which means i want you to do well so i don't give a about normal i want you to do better than them so we need good good percentage good numbers i need you to do well yes bank of america yes credit card what are you smiling about just a happy little creature okay bank of america you're looking at a credit card statement i do um pay green path wellness financial something like that a monthly payment and they actually pay all my the rest of my credit cards i only pay the discover hold on and then the other four you're in a deck and uh why am i blanking on it consolidation not consolidation you're in a debt like negotiating something like that program oh i'm blanking on the term great time to blank on the term i think your brain is you're can't blame me wearing off on me can't blame me okay well so walk me through this again so you you so you i pay them yeah who again what are they called green path green okay so we're not thinking about bank of america anymore We're talking about Green Path.

50:41I guess not really. No, because the rest of my four credit cards are - How much do you pay Green Path on a monthly basis? 171. And what do you owe to them overall? Don't know. If I had to guess, maybe 10. I don't trust your guess. You're not a reliable narrator on anything that involves a number. How do you know? Did I even give - Have you asked me numbers, questions? Taxes? Percentage? Oh, yeah. I don't know anything about that. Okay. So this card is now with Green Path. They're now dealing with this. They are making the payment for you. Yes. So the issue with a lot of these, and there's some good ones to some bad ones.

51:13I support good ones in the right context. I don't know if you have the right context because you probably didn't fix your behavior. Remember the behavior that got into this credit card debt in the first place? You probably are not addressing that before you're doing this, which means you're going to yourself again. But either way, okay. So I'm okay with some of those negotiating companies. But the thing is for some of them, like bad ones that might prey on people who are not that smart they might have so much bait so many baked in fees and bull that you're literally potentially losing even more money than if you're just doing your credit card payments you already know you are why'd you do it then what the are you talking about well i didn't know until after i already did it you can usually you can sometimes back out of these programs have you tried to reach out to them i know phone numbers are difficult no okay no i didn't try to reach out because it's already like set in stone see what you can do i don't know about green path okay let's see what you can do i mean you've paid 250 dollars in interest in this year so capital one is that in green path okay so the capital one was a one for well why was that in green path is a 114 you could have paid that it's less than your minimum payments on everything we talked about so far yeah 100 at the time though i was in a transition no job so it was just like sweet got it all moved to one did you basically have no job uh technically i do have a job yeah technically according to the government you don't because you're not claiming your income so i don't know what the you're talking about well not yet yeah two years yeah how to do my taxes hopefully after the show and then i'll do what i do i know we're gonna sit you down with those people but yeah what would you have done without that because you haven't figured it out thus far then the opportunity when it arrives would have arisen what what what even is that it's a freezer mindset it all plays out how it's like oh

53:10I hope you don't get any if your parents die and you don't have an inheritance and your boyfriend becomes why is it that my parents have to die why do you keep talking about people dying because life happens and people die I'm sorry it's not the happy part of things But if they die and you do not have an inheritance and your boyfriend can't deal with this anymore, you are literally not going to survive. There is no chance. You're going to always have to rely on trying to go get someone because you can't do this yourself or a job. But again, with your job, you cannot sustain. And you are essentially assuming we're in a great our job market's fine.

53:45Yeah, I bet my tongue. Our job market's fine right now. Is it as good as it was a few years ago? Of course not. But compared to like a recession job market, it is still pretty damn good. You and I have not had to shop jobs in a real recession before. You are just assuming that I'll just get a job is going to exist. Yeah, but if it doesn't, I've already talked to you about this. It's not so bad to be homeless. You didn't say that. I don't have the fear of it, right? You're like, be afraid of this. Like, this is danger. And I don't feel the fear of the danger. Okay, I think you might just need to become homeless so that you can experience how bad that is.

54:20I haven't, but I at least can recognize how bad it is. But you're unable to. That's the most delusional thing I've ever heard on this show. Possibly because... I think you just broke a f***ing record. If you haven't been in a situation, how would you really know how... Conversations, documentaries, education. You can learn. Will you know the exact experience in terms of a flesh level? No, but you can... But you're saying I'm in a really bad situation right now, and I don't even think... What about the f***ing freedom card, lady? Hmm? Is this a part of green? Okay, it was at 2000. with hundreds of dollars in interest accruing over the year of course okay oh what is this oh those are the student loans they paid for some of school but not all of it correct okay hmm they paid for private high school and elementary middle okay interesting whatever that's fine it's not like they have to 63 800 where'd you go i went to green canyon University.

55:20Okay, you're always obsessed with something green. Grand Canyon. Oh, Grand. Grand, yeah, GCU. Are these all federal student loans, it looks like? So you have no private student loans. Like a Sally Mae. I already paid that off. You had to? You paid it off? Yes. What? 20? 20 ,000? Maybe 10? I don't know. It's been a minute. You're 30. It hasn't been that long. When did you pay it off? How did you pay it off? Maybe a few years ago. Why'd you pay it off? Well, because it had me doing payments every month. Uh-huh. That was it? That's the only reason why? Then why is everything else not paid off? Then if that's the reason, why?

55:59Well, that one, I don't know how that one works. You're prioritizing going out, which we haven't gotten to your spending. It's in your checking account. But you specifically said at the beginning of the conversation, you prioritized going out other than paying off your debt. Why was Sally? It's just every other expense. Gotcha. Why was Sally May then prioritized over that stuff? I think I started paying before these kicked in. like when you got i got out of your other credit cards though yeah those were after so sally may started paying first so you're responsible for a little bit after college and you've just decided to revert to infancy i'm confused why would you do that well i don't really know how it works what's your minimum monthly payment on these student loans zero are they zero or are you not paying them they are zero okay were you in an income-based repayment plan yes and you know that yeah for sure yeah i reapplied for it whenever they like we're gonna restart your payments and then you had to switch over the plans so then i went on 63 817 dollars zero dollar payment and they're on deferment right now most likely because they are being challenged in court they're all tied up those that those type of payment programs might get struck down you might be forced to pay about 700 a month yeah payments that's what it would be like before covid happened it's why i said it yes but you realize that right like you could get and if you don't they'll garnish your wages from whatever job you have garnish my wages as in if you go get a job before your income hits like a w2 before your income hits they will take money before your income hits they will force you to pay it force gunpoint because i'm not gonna choose to pay it like i was before i don't know how you'd be able to now well i would figure it out that's our answer for everything.

57:48You don't know. You've only known a good economy. You might be right about that. I am right about that for f*** sake. Okay, you win on that one. It's not a win-lose. This isn't a competition. I want to see you survive and do well. I do too. If you're viewing this as a f***ing argument, then oh my gosh. What did you graduate with? What was your degree? Elementary education. Why aren't you teaching? I don't like school. Why? I don't think it's useful. I don't think it was necessary. What school? The tactics, the classroom style. Then why not try to get into a charter or private school that might align with your teaching style and what you think a classroom should be?

58:38Not that I would want you to teach a kid, but okay. I just don't like it. Why'd you get the degree? To get a degree. To get a degree? Why didn't you get more general degree or just like a business degree or marketing? It was the fastest degree out of college. That's all you cared about? And now you're just being a nanny? half years trying to do nursing and then it was like i did not like that and was bad at it so yeah no even though to elementary education just to get the degree got the degree and then attempted teaching a few times and did not like it and nanny was like right up my alley and i got to prepare for like what it's like to be a mom or attempt to be like build those skills well if you ever want to do something different i can gift you a course career certification to change your field something like accounting tech whatever you want i can gift that to you if you can make it through it anyone can make it through it i don't know if you can i know you guys can challenge accepted yeah i'd love that oh okay well you just let us know then now i'll let you know now yeah well you got to see what certifications are available okay oh i see i just meant yes to the opportunity okay oh no yeah what is this this is screenshots from a note app with a lot of dollar signs i'm very confused this is three pages for three pages what am i looking at here um that is an iou list for what uh uh things family okay so again further proving the point if you did not have them fall back on you would be dying you would be starving if you know that we don't know no no if you could not find a food pantry you would be starving we don't or eating out of a dumpster We don't know that.

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1:01:58Now, let's jump back into the episode. Okay, so we have an I owe, no, this one was paid. Okay, this was$700 to mom. Chase Credit owed to mom$100? Why do you owe$100 for Chase Credit to mom? Did she make a minimum monthly payment for you? Probably, yeah. utilities owed to mom$51 extra bank cushion money owed to mom$50 I'm gonna call your mom I'm gonna call your mom I'm gonna call your mom in the financial audit post show I didn't tell my mom no I'm gonna call your mom in the f***ing post show and I need to tell her to cut you off I'm gonna call your mom we're gonna get through your financial audit and then guys if you wanna join our YouTube membership in the post show we're gonna call your mom this is crazy right now Bank of America Discover and Sally Mae owe mom$305 $483.

1:02:45It's all mom. July bills owed to mom$67 money owed to mom. You're a f***ing infant. $100 grocery spending owed to mom. You're not surviving. Your mom is allowing you. Tamping owed to mom. I'm assuming that means tampon. $20. We're calling it tamping. Is that the... Okay, this list is from 2017 and it's been growing and been working on since then so i only see one worked on by the way fun fact only the one at the top 50 weekend fun money owed to mom 400 sally may and socal owed to mom 200 guys i'm gonna get comfortable we're gonna be here for a second three that's not funny this is actually disgusting and like embarrassing you should be embarrassed would you like me to cry instead no but i wouldn't laugh out of comedic fashion because this is not comedic fashion shut the f**k up i'm reading 50 i owe you mom extra money not even descriptive there 400 i owe you lib ticket paid 100 and then paid another 100 paid another 100 so you probably owe extra 100 or was it 600 that you owed and now it's 400 no it would have been 400 and okay now it's 300 what the f**k is it lbi lib i was either lightning in a bottle or life is beautiful wonderful i i owe you to mom blacked out 80 i owe you to mama for alcohol and snacks 30 wow thanks mom for being really good oh guess what dad showed up for in and out 40 gee for sake 30 i owe you to dad 60 for mom for gas oh it was a dad present that was the one 20 beer for mom thanks mom gosh you're doing so great 30 grocery Mom,$50 bills and extra from mom,$100 clothing from mom,$400 Vegas from mom,$500 October bills from mom,$50 mom, extra spending money.

1:04:43I can't deal with it. There is no hope. There is no hope. Look at this. This is the most insane. I'm not even going to go through this. We can put her all on screen, but this is crazy. We got Chase November bills, Chase December bills, January, Sally Mae, overdraft account, $50 extra spending money dinner snacks drinks oil gas thanksgiving uh fixing car loan money borrow money christmas presents june therapy paid that one registration paid okay we got a new 77 inch tv 2.4 000 oh to mom i'm gonna kill myself apt furniture for apartment to mom and passport oh mattress topper uh camp i owe the oil change amazon walmart amazon gas amazon what a draft and then yeah the overdraft one as well what a joke overdraft and you're kidding me like what i'm sorry give me my calculator back you don't deserve it you won't even know what those letters and symbols mean on there so you can give it to me i need a break huh i need a break is that it or are you okay are you she wasn't feeling bad because of the conversation or because of any jabs or jokes and stuff because everyone's well aware of what's happening when they come on the show but apparently all those screenshots screenshots screenshots all of it is finally stacking up and she's seen exactly how much she owes to the family and it boiled up to an overwhelming sense and she needs a break and i would understand because if any of us saw those kind of numbers and that kind of life it's crazy it's hard when you talk about your family yeah sorry because they do enable it they do you realize that here i have worked i have worked on I'm like, I mean, trying to break away from that.

1:06:41However, at the end of the day when life gets hard and it comes to, yeah, stepping up on my own, I do rely on them. It's been a lot. It has been a lot. Is that what pushed you over the edge here? We're seeing how much was stacked up? No, it's the guilt. Guilt. So you feel immense guilt from this? Because it's been years. But I like owe them my life. It's not even just the money. It's like I'm supposed to, I've had a privileged life and I should be better at where I'm at. Okay. I should be like a real adult, like super together. And then because like hitting 30 was hard because I thought by now I'd like definitely have kids, hopefully be married, like have like a career and I'm not there.

1:07:28Ah, you're doing better than me. At least you're not single. I don't know because maybe it is, yeah, another enabling situation. It's another any kind of person who's helping you at the end of the day is enabling you. And so getting help. You need a lot of help. A lot of help. Like more than I'm helping to changing your behavior. So I'd say the help you've received so far hasn't actually helped you. It saved me from saving myself. And that's not necessarily a good thing. I'm very appreciative and grateful for it. But it's time that I step it up for myself and not just for myself, but for my family.

1:08:07I want to do better. I'd love to be one of those people who pays their parents' debt off. Your parents have that? Some of my college, some of my sister's college. Oh, they were going into debt for this. I mean, they took out loans for that. I mean, the house, whatever, like life. You know, the American dream lifestyle situation that looks good on the surface. But, you know, underneath, it's not real. But that's what real. And that's clearly what I've played out to be. And it's time that I like do it for real. Not what can we do though? This conversation so far has been honestly deeply worrying.

1:08:49And I am glad to at least hear right now that you're you're ready to take the step. You're ready to take the step to sever that enablement that's been happening. but what can we actually do based on this conference it's been very worrying yeah well i would think are you sure you want to film the rest because you yeah you know you walked off i do want to walk away yes i need a break and now i'm ready like the thing is looking at it is one of the issues and one of the first steps that i haven't done right so being able to even look at it is a first step do you think you can change your behavior though you think you can I think anything's possible.

1:09:33And if I've been able to do that mindset has not worked, I need to correct that because you that's what you've kept using this entire conversation is that it's all possible or I'll figure it out. Maybe that's my perspective or my version of hope, right? Without that, then I hope without any actions is nothing. I'm not disagreeing with you there. I just think that you still need the hope to continue on for the possibility of actions to eventually come. And I think it's been a point of delusional hope and the idea that future me is going to solve it. Future me is going to take care of it. I have people to rely on it now.

1:10:09And now it's time that it's me that steps up. What you said wasn't like 100 % wrong. The thing is, is I've just been surrounded. We all know people in our lives that have these hopes and dreams and ambitions, starting a business, pursuing a career, doing something. But they put no action behind it. and we will always only ever hear them talking about their hope. So a hope is not going to lead to the action. It's actually you're going to have to walk away from this conversation and implement today, today what we talk about. I don't think that that needs to take away from my delusional hope. I think that the hope along with the actions, like the talking, the talking needs to be paired with the walking.

1:10:49It does. You need to have hope. I'm not saying don't have hope. Yeah. It's the hope without the action. That's all I'm saying. You need the hope. If you don't have hope going through it, it's also you're not going to make it to the end. Yeah. Of course. But, okay. I just, I need to see the action. So, when you come on the Financial Audit Follow-Up channel, there's going to be major changes? Major changes. Why do you think? Why do you think, just besides the hope, why do you think you're actually going to take the step after this? Because my why is more important. What's your why? Give me your why right now.

1:11:20my future the idea that the idea right it's not a reality that i'm going to have well hopefully conjoined finances with my boyfriend no no no no i'm saying once you're married married right i don't want my debt to impact him right i don't want to come into debt in that relationship and then having children it can work sometimes sometimes what people just need is to have everything really strung out, strung out, show just really thrown out, demonstrated in front of them just how bad it is because so many people, I would say almost everyone that comes on the show does not know how bad their situation actually is in Dallas to show and it pushes to that moment where people are finally willing to actually change and if you're at that moment, then I'm willing to continue because we can get you out of debt probably and we can figure it out.

1:12:12So let's continue. But getting to that moment is critical. What's this? What am I looking at? A screen. Okay, so my Discover credit card. The original one at$13 ,000? This is, yeah. So look at this. I called them and I saw this thing where you could just ask them to lower your percentage. And they did. So is that like, what,$27 ,000? and then moved it to 24 and then next thing i know is this 24 where what's that what i don't understand how they just charged me oh fat interest um like wait wait bring up your app for me bring up for your app okay but you're still gonna have to pay the interest for all the things that are already on the card before the new percentage goes in i'm like obviously yeah that makes sense you wouldn't change the interest and lower it.

1:13:11But why would they tack on a full interest of that before moving forward? I need to see it. Here you go. I don't know. Yeah. No, that's just your monthly interest amount, dude. Your monthly interest amount is insane because your balance is so high. But it's never been that high. Like, I pay this every month. It's usually$78. And then all of a sudden, it just jumps up to$300. Wait, your minimum? Okay. Okay. Well, fine. I'm looking at an October statement then. Let me see. No, October statement. It's because your starting balance was lower. You were 2000 lower. Your credit card's only gone up. That's why the interest was lower.

1:13:52Your minimum monthly payment was pretty similar, but lower because your balance was lower. If you have a higher balance, the interest is higher. If you have a higher balance, the minimum monthly payment is higher. Let me go back to August. Let me go back to August. August. Again, you were$2 ,000 lower than that previous month. Why do you think it's getting higher? You went from$9 ,000 in August. But like$200 more? No, because in your minimum monthly or your interest? In the interest. Your interest was only like$50 more. I'm looking at the past statements. I went a month prior and it was$50 more.

1:14:23And then the month before that, it was another$50 less. Again, but you're going up. You've gone up from$9 ,000 a couple months ago to now at$13 ,000. So it is going to be higher. You just didn't know what your interest was. Because you probably didn't look at your statements. you were getting horrendous interest charge still. Possibly, but I do recall like a 78. No, definitely for sure. Okay. Okay, maybe a 78, maybe like a year ago. But listen, I... You're looking at it. Okay, let me go all the way back to June. June. June was around 9 ,000. Okay, okay. Well, here is a lower interest charge. Let me see why.

1:14:59You were on a promotional... Oh, yeah. You were on a lower 17 % thing, and it jumped up. So, yes, of course, your interest went up. So that's what happened. Even if they brought your interest down from 30 to 25, it's still above that 15%. So, yes, that's how it's going to work. And what is this? What is this? Those are my – so I get paid on Apple Pay. So this is Apple Pay? This is my Apple Pay. This is my wallet. Okay. So$450 came in, and then you transferred it to your bank, and that's happened. And then you sent some to someone. You sent one to someone. and then you sent one to someone for Uber and then AAA vape.

1:15:41It's not AAA, it's vape. Yes. How much are we spending on vape? Probably more than I should be spending. Yeah, don't you want to survive? So if you do all the long, hard work that you're going to do, if you want to change your life, don't you actually want to see the reward in the end? $36, definitely not groceries for you at Target. $43 for vape. Bagels,$38. and lots of transfers back and forth and some Walgreens and stuff like that. Corner donuts,$15. Went in, got some BS from the gas station,$6, and then Subway and Bite the Bagel,$10 and more vaping,$43. How often is that$43? Is that every week?

1:16:22Possibly. That's so much money. I can't put that in your budget. I can't put that in your budget times four. That's $172 a month. I can't put that in your budget. That's an You have to work on that on your own. I can't get you to quit. You're going to have to quit. I can't put that in your budget. That's horrendous and you're killing yourself. You also sent someone$164. Have so much fun in Hawaii. What the f***? Well, when I went to Hawaii, my sister sent me some money. How is she doing financially? You didn't. No, you don't. I had the cash. Come on. You just, you had a moment of big emotions because we finally saw all the IOUs to your family, to your mom.

1:17:09Three pages worth. Yeah. You didn't have the cash. You have IOUs. You don't have the cash. But I did have the cash. You don't. You don't. The IOUs. And when I was going to Hawaii, I didn't have the cash. I didn't have the money and she sent it to me. When she did that, does she have IOUs to your mom? I don't know. Then it doesn't matter. If you don't know, you do. It's a different situation. You and your sister are probably not in the same situation. No. We got to call your mom on the post show. We got to call your mom on the post show or your dad. What are you looking for? The total IOUs is$17 ,483.

1:17:47Sorry, say it again. $17 ,483 in IOUs. Jake added them up. Okay. Okay. That's possible. to pay back right yes anything and okay so what are you thinking right now challenge a big obstacle that i'm going to overcome and have great skills afterwards oh okay don't get yourselves into challenges just so you can get skills though i don't want you to feel life like that i don't think that was the intention however that is how we're gonna look at it to get through it 17 ,000 you owe in the IOUs. Yes. If I put that right now in my investing app, Moo Moo, it's the one I use. If I put that in there, people that put their uninvested cash in there, I think they get 9 % on their money.

1:18:41You'd get an extra. Now let's divide that on a monthly basis. You'd get an extra$127 in pure profits in one month if that IOU was sitting in something that generated you money, but instead you owe it to mom. and I see that's where it emotionally hits you every time it's when we get to the IOUs there are tissues right there if you need one please feel free okay yeah okay I know this doesn't seem like a part I should be glad in but I am glad that there is a part of this that emotionally hits you the credit card didn't matter to you the student loans didn't matter to you none of that mattered to you but we got to the IOUs and it matters and if we have something that actually matters and draws the emotional response that may give us the actual kick in the ass the fire under our ass that we need to actually start tackling some of this okay but yeah

1:19:36yeah you are a california girl but what matters it clearly is people to me and the emotions and the feelings and i have done it in maybe a wrong and unhealthy way and then it comes and bites me in the ass and then i gotta do it the right way 135 dollars on a checking account that's not gonna help us get there we're selling our 100 bucks uber uber uber why are you ubering so much you have this car you're very proud of it oh uber is uh like delivery food it's uber eats yeah do you cook yes how often weekdays every weekday what are i through three uber eats in a row then weekends be different weekends be different or three days in a weekend no well friday if you count right why would i count friday as a week that's not a week it's a weekday you're right but you clock off and then it's oh good

1:20:41uber eats uber eats so five in a row so are weekends five days well no then that'd be like breakfast lunch dinner you're killing yourself and me and i'm trying to be gentle i'm trying to be gentle i'm trying to be gentle in the latter half of this conversation but come on that's I'm crazy. That's f***ing delusional. That is insane. Nope. That's bad for you. That is bad for you. It's bad for me financially. And probably health-wise too. Well, taking care of myself, taking care of kiddos, cooking, cleaning, it can be draining come the weekend. It's like, well, I want to be. You work 25 hours a week.

1:21:25I have no sympathy. Shut up. The rest of us. 25 hours clocked. The rest of us. If you're working unclocked hours and you need to get another job. Because that means you're not getting paid for unclocked. Well, it's that 125 a week. And then. Okay. Well, how many extra hours for that on a weekly basis? Be realistic. Realistic. Maybe three to ten. You're still working less than a normal person does. I don't have sympathy for that. I am sorry. It's called being an adult. it's really just called being an adult sometimes sometimes you have to make a sacrifice sometimes you're a little tired and you have to make a sacrifice also if you meal prep just a few times a week that's the last time you have to spend cooking that's what i do meal prep this is how with all this uber eating because then we go to big buffalo and then we uber eat then we zell out 170 and we zell out 200 and then we uber eat we uber eat amazon we get our nails did for 167 and then we Uber eat and we Starbucks.

1:22:23You know this is more than just the weekends. And Golf Club, Golf Club, Starbucks, some snack at Target probably because it's only$6. Definitely not groceries. Amazon. Vapes. More vapes. ATM withdrawal. Who knows where the f*** that went. Uber Eats. Breakfast Club. Bird App. Starbucks. Bird App. Bird App. Bird App. A little scooting. We're scooting around. It was my birthday. Coco. So I went and spent a bunch of money. Yeah. It's not funny. It's not funny. Happy birthday, mom. I'm paying you back. I mean, the last time someone walked off the show, we uploaded that before Thanksgiving. Maybe this one's before Christmas.

1:23:04So if that's what happens, guys, I'm a future teller. Fortune person. I'm looking for your budget thing. I might need a budget thing. I know you had a budget thing. What's a budget thing? The sheet where I write the budget. I felt the staples earlier. Here it is. I got it. Okay. income i'm gonna say 2250 i need you to set a little aside for taxes he said a little aside for taxes your debt monthly payments this is gonna be the crazy part you are so lucky your boyfriend takes care how is your guys relationship be as honest as you can be even if it is not good dreamy i couldn't have imagined but you guys are only in it for your okay but okay good good because if you're out on your own i wouldn't even know what to do here but thank goodness we don't have to put a rent payment in do you have to do utilities or internet or anything I pitch in by paying for groceries.

1:23:53Okay, you're paying for groceries. Grocery budget,$600. That takes care of two people, and that's meal prepping. Use the meal prep in our budgeting class and tweak it to your needs. It's based off of HEB anyway, so you can use it for sure. TPFUD, anything else you need to survive? $100. That is nails. That is whatever. $600 for... Okay, gas. Vroom, vroom, drive, drive. Yes. $30 every two weeks. Do you know? Or are you just throwing that out? I would have to keep track of it. It's okay if you can have a guess if it's an educated guess. It seems educated. Based on what? Based on how often I can remember filling up my gas tank and how much it costs.

1:24:41You don't remember if you filed taxes. Yeah. I don't fill my gas tank up that often. In California it was every week. It was like$120 a week. And now it's like$30. We didn't really know. It was hard to tell what was going in and going out. We got tolls. So I'm going to do gas and tolls,$100. But. Car insurance? $260,$330. I don't know. It's fluctuated lately. What do you mean? I had$502. In one month? Yeah. No. Right, Jake? okay it hit your account twice but maybe this is you know we're seeing it within two payment periods i'm gonna say 250 yeah that sounds right okay and you don't contribute anything to the house in terms of the internet okay good good good good good good medical health care anything ongoing there you'll need it a lot if you keep vaping but 17 a month for vsp okay that's eyes and you pay that out of pocket what do you do for health insurance nothing you don't have health insurance you are going to go get the most basic minimum plan so that if you have a huge medical emergency you don't go bankrupt at the very least you don't owe hundreds of thousands of dollars you're going to do$300 a month for that life's expensive and you're just not doing it that's the thing this is why you have so many IOUs no subscriptions do you have any pets technically actually i do have a subscription i forgot about it i think it's 35 a month for the cat food through amazon so you have cat so 35 bucks a month for cat food well i'll put that in the food area okay you have pet insurance no get pet insurance i don't know how you would be able to save its life if you can't afford pet insurance you probably can't afford a pet 35 bucks it is my boyfriend's cat and i moved in and now like i mean obviously love him he's my cat too why are you paying for the food um well my boyfriend was gone in korea i just took it over and then i how long was he gone nine months and then i thought you guys have been together for a year but he was gone for nine months no wonder you guys are so happy a little more than a year but he's been gone all of it he was gone for a good amount hey see if he can take care of the pet insurance if it's his cat he should yeah 35 bucks a month tell him to get pen insurance anything else that needs to be in your budget that is not there i pay 170 a month to my mom um for your debts for my phone bill and then paying off tires for a jeep okay 175 for phone and jeep yeah you're close laugh there it is that pushed us over yeah you don't make enough money yep 2 ,561 just for you to survive and you're not even paying for a roof over your head no wonder your credit card's gone a couple months ago from$9 ,000 to$13 ,000.

1:27:37And this is how it goes. No wonder your IOU list has grown. So we're encountering two issues here. Your direction from here is on two issues. One, no more using credit cards. If you're going to use a card again, you need to use like a FIZ card, which is a debit card, but builds credit, but you just can't spend more than in your debit. FIZ card. Well, it's called FIZ. The company's called FIZ. Okay. We can get you connected. But you can't use credit cards. You're not a credit card person. You're only building them up. I'd close the accounts. I know it hurts your credit, but I'd close your account.

1:28:03I only have one left open. Close it. No. Yes. Close the Discover. Close it. You can't be trusted. You're just hurting it. You're underwater by$250 a month. So there's a few things you need to do. Shut down the credit card so you don't have access to it. You need to build the budget. Go through the budgeting class. This is the makeshift budget. I hope this budget works, but it could be off a little. You have to go through your stuff in detail and figure out what your monthly budget is and do it on a monthly basis and figure out what you need to do. You need to control your spending. There is no BS spending.

1:28:32You don't have access to it. Now, you either need to go get a second job or you need to get those hours up at Nanny R Us. You know, you got to you need money. You need minimum extra thousand hours a month. And even if you do, this is still not the student loans, but the credit extra thousand hours a month. Mom car discovers still like a four or five year process. So you need to go double your income. You know, you need to go from 25 ,000 hours a year to 50. I will be moving to California next year, April. That's going to make it probably worse. Cost of living is higher. And you have to go find a job that makes up for it.

1:29:12Like, why? Well, we want to start a family. And our families are there. We're from there. Why are you here? My boyfriend's stationed here. He's in the military. For now. That makes sense. I will say, why would anyone be in clean? Okay. That makes sense. Well, wherever you go, you need to make that budget work. But until you move, you need to go make as much money as possible, doing side hustles, dropping fries in the fryer. You know, you need to do whatever you can. If you bring in an extra$2 ,000 a month net, which is almost doubling your income, it still takes almost three years to pay off this debt without you having one single cent of fun, of paid fun.

1:29:53You go out to eat, you do all that, your boyfriend's paying for it. It's as simple as that. You cannot do them, and you need to inform him of the situation. Maybe we'll call him too. Does he know your situation? Yeah. Well, you didn't know your situation, so he knows your situation from your perspective. The gist of it, yeah, that I have one set of credit cards that I've closed with a company and then one open in the mountains. Okay, I think we have a lot of phone calls to make in the post show. Make sure to join our YouTube membership, guys. It really helps support the channel. Join Hammer Elite for the best value of your dollars.

1:30:23A lot of extra shows and stuff we do back there. but let's get your hammer financial score spending on a budget I don't even know if you overspent or underspend spending 3000 income you actually you had a better month than you suggest I get a lot of Venmo's in but are they all through the pay or are you getting Venmo's from friends or what yeah Venmo's all we had well if you make 2500 and the rest was who knows you spent 3700 I don't know the nose spending a budget you'd be technically over it's you're on it's on why did you have a better month i don't understand i don't i don't get venmo payments are you sure they're not apple pay in the wallet sure we can call it that was that it jake did you yeah it may have been apple pay okay well that's how i get paid well did why'd you make more than you say you made well because i gave you like a rough estimate but it was almost double sometimes i work 40 hour weeks you need to work 40 hours a week if you do that we can pay off this debt yeah sometimes i do work okay well spending it in the budget according to the income that came in not setting any money aside you did okay it should be going towards the debt three out of ten but sometimes if you had a low month it would be bad and i know your debt's only going up so usually it is bad debt with all the ios is going to bring it down you don't have any collections or well you haven't paid ir yeah you have irs that you just don't know it zero out of ten emergency fund no savings zero ten there's no retirement zero ten real estate nothing zero out of ten it's going to be a round up to be generous.

1:31:51What is it that you're doing? Hammer financial score. You said five out of ten. It's rounded up to a one out of ten. Make sure to join us in the post show. We have a lot of phone calls to make to people in her life and get their thoughts and perspectives on this. This is going to be insane. And make sure to check out all our education bundled together for 15 % off. I'll see you guys in the post show. I want to call your sister. I just phone call her. You just phone call her. hello yeah you good she's sending you money now she says she has to send you money that's her own tally but yeah she owes 17 000 to your mom oh what to watch the financial audit post show click the join button below

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