Taking Out Student Loans To Buy Fast Food 3 Times A Day

7 Jul 2023 · 46 min

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Podcast Overview

  • Title: Financial Audit
  • Host: Caleb Hammer
  • Description: A personal finance podcast aimed at entertaining and educating listeners about financial decisions and habits.
  • Episode Theme: Analyzing the financial habits of a young individual who is a graduate student and grappling with spending and debt.

Episode Summary In this episode, Caleb Hammer audits the financial situation of Edwin Bautista, a 25-year-old management assistant and graduate student in Austin, Texas. The discussion delves into Edwin's income, spending habits, student loans, and overall financial health.

Key Participants

  • Edwin Bautista - Guest; a 25-year-old graduate student.
  • Caleb Hammer - Host; financial expert providing insights and guidance.

Key Discussion Points

Income and Employment

  • Edwin works part-time (about 25 hours per week) at a nonprofit, earning approximately $25/hour.
  • Monthly income ranges around $2,000 after taxes.
  • He is also a graduate student at the University of Texas, studying Community and Regional Planning.

Current Financial Situation

  • Income: Approximately $2,000/month after taxes.
  • Spending Habits:
  • High expenditure on dining out (fast food) and coffee—eating out three times a day.
  • Lack of consistent budgeting or savings, leading to significant reliance on credit cards and student loans.

Debt Analysis

  • Student Loans: Edwin has taken out substantial student loans, totaling over $150,000 across multiple accounts.
  • Credit Card Debt: Numerous credit cards with varying balances, often not paid off in full, leading to accruing interest.
  • Mortgage:
  • Recently purchased a studio condo through a subsidized housing program.
  • Monthly mortgage payment is $733, constituting 36% of his income.

Spending Patterns

  • Frequent spending on food and coffee, including:
  • Fast food chains (e.g., Whataburger, Chick-fil-A)
  • Local eateries (e.g., Bird Bird Biscuit)
  • Caleb highlights that spending habits are unsustainable and are leading to financial distress.

Key Insights from Caleb Hammer

  • Financial Responsibility: Emphasis on the importance of budgeting and living within means.
  • Prioritizing Needs: Encouraged to focus on essential expenses and reduce discretionary spending on dining out.
  • Emergency Fund: Urged to save at least $12,000 to $15,000 for emergencies, especially given the high risk of financial instability.
  • Future Earnings Potential: With potential future income of around $60,000, a structured budget is crucial to avoid sinking deeper into debt.

Actionable Recommendations

  1. Budgeting: Use apps like Rocket Money or Mint to better track expenses.
  2. Meal Preparation: Encourage cooking at home to reduce food costs.
  3. Emergency Fund: Start saving aggressively to build a safety net.
  4. Debt Management: Focus on paying off high-interest debts and avoid using credit cards excessively.

Conclusion The episode wraps up with Caleb expressing concern for Edwin's financial habits. He stresses the importance of immediate changes to spending behavior and the need for a structured financial plan as Edwin prepares for a potential increase in income after graduation. The episode closes with a Hammer Financial Score of 2 out of 10, indicating a critical need for improvement in Edwin's financial practices.

Additional Resources

  • For listeners interested in financial education, resources and links are available in the episode's description.

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1:10Yeah, so I am a management assistant for a local nonprofit here in the city, but we have offices throughout the state and our work impacts multiple cities. Okay, how many hours a week do you work? I work about 25 hours a week. Okay, and what's your salary hourly? Hourly. How much? $25 an hour. Okay. Do you think you hit that 25 every time or is that just about an average? It's pretty much every time. My paycheck's pretty consistent, like give or take an hour or two less. What's your paycheck, biweekly or what? Twice a month, yeah. Okay, so before taxes, you're probably making about$2 ,700 on a monthly basis on average.

1:46I would say more closer to$2 ,500. Okay, so you don't always get 25 hours? Not always. There's maybe like one paycheck or two that I do like maybe like an hour. Not less than five or hours at most, but it's in that range. Usually my paychecks are relatively the same though. About$1 ,000 after taxes. Okay. Wait,$1 ,000? $1 ,032. It's like usually what I... Wait, what? It doesn't get cut in half. Oh, I mean by paycheck. Like paycheck is$1 ,000 and then per month it's$2 ,000. It goes from$5 ,000 to$2 ,000? Where are you getting$5 ,000? You said your weekly paycheck is like$2 ,500. I'm sorry, I'm part-time.

2:32I'm working part-time, so I only work 25 hours a week. You said you make$2 ,500 bi-weekly. I meant monthly. Okay. Okay. So it's probably what after taxes on a monthly basis? $132. $1 ,032. $1 ,032. too why is it a 50 i'm not sure what you mean like my monthly it goes from two thousand five hundred hours a month to a thousand dollars gross yeah that's gross twenty five hundred gross and so after taxes it's like a thousand dollars a month per paycheck dude you keep switching between a month and bi-weekly what is what well i get paid twice a month so yeah That's usually twice a week. So not twice a week.

3:21I'm sorry. Twice a month. So I'm not really sure. My monthly gross is$2 ,500. Okay. Monthly gross. What's your monthly net? Monthly net is roughly$2 ,000. There we go. That makes so much more sense. You kept switching between biweekly and monthly when describing yourself, but without the context of switching. But that is okay. $2 ,000 a month. First of all, that's incredibly low. It is, yes. So what else is going on? I mean, that's pretty much my income source. I don't have any other side hustles or anything like that. I have a relatively low housing cost, so that helps out. But I mean, I'm pretty much living off of$30 ,000.

4:10What are you doing for the rest of the hours of the week? I'm a student. Oh, you're a student? I'm a grad student, yeah. Okay, where do you go? UT. Oh, okay. Where do you study grad student? Community and regional planning, urban planning. Interesting. Okay. What year are you? Finishing up the semester, actually. Graduating in May. Graduating in May. Okay. Very cool. So what do you plan to do with that graduate degree? Plan to stay here in the city and probably work for the city or some governmental agency or possibly stay in the nonprofit sector. what's like the position you would get um really depends on i guess what i decided to pursue after like i'm right now in the advocacy space so do you know what you want to pursue for the most part i think i definitely want to say within um local politics and governance like whether that be with the city i don't know i'm kind of any job specific though that's what i'm trying i'm trying to yeah no i don't have like a clear you know like a planner job like i want to like i'm comfortable where i'm at right now and i can transition from the role i'm in where i'm a non-profit at to like a more hands-on direct role which is i think what i'm gonna do but i don't have like well i'm trying to see like what a position is that you'd want and like what that pays okay um like for an average planner i would say like a good job out of out of grad school probably range anywhere from like 60 to 80 okay that's good kind of what i'm shooting for are you cash flow in school right now my what cash flow in school cash what flowing cash flowing school oh as in like um debt like my pain how i paying for it uh yeah i took out student loans a lot of student loans well i assume you went to undergrad as well yeah did you student loans those yes okay and i graduated during the pandemic so that's another reason why i started grad school because i was in kind of like a limbo state and know what to do well that's not a good reason to go to grad school well i knew i was interested in the field i'm in but i just i needed more and more education and more um knowledge of of of planning and I didn't get that in undergrad.

6:11So with this program, I definitely got what I wanted. But obviously that is... You look like that dude that's on TV in a bunch of different sitcoms. Do you not know who I'm talking about? I don't watch TV that often. Well, neither do I, but I've just seen pictures of them. What show? I don't know. You look like Max Greenfield. I've never heard of this man. A picture of his on screen right now, but you look like Max Greenfield. Doesn't he? You know? ugly Betty yeah you look like the guy from New Girl so before we go into your money I want to hear from your own perspective as honest and transparent as you can what does your financial situation look like from your perspective yeah so my financial situation right now is definitely not great I know I have a pretty bad spending habit and I want to kind of rein that in but also just start saving for an emergency fund but also possibly for a car if that's something that i could do not have a car right now i do but it's paid off my mom it was a gift from my mom like like um a few years ago so like i don't pay actively for it but it's well it's a good thing yeah but i do just like an a newer car i guess what's the car it's a 2017 nissan centra okay it's not a bad you know car or anything i just would prefer something that's maybe electric and maybe you were nice.

7:37Okay. Well, don't have to rush into that. I don't think that's on the priority list of things in grad school. Let's take a look at your stuff then. We have a Chase checking account. So, yeah, only 1 ,382 went in and more went out. This is a real good story about Bronx and his dad, Ryan, real United Airlines customers. We were returning home and one of the flight attendants asked Bronx if he wanted to see the flight deck and meet Captain Andrew. I got to sit in the driver's seat. I grew up in an aviation family, and seeing Bronx kind of reminded me of myself when I was that age. That's Andrew, a real United pilot.

8:15These small interactions can shape a kid's future. It felt like I was the captain. Allowing my son to see the flight deck will stick with us forever. That's how good leads the way. 400 went out, ending with 216. Kind of, you know, one big thing could hit that and then overdraft. or denied depending what the situation is but yeah you get paid in cash because you put in 700 bucks of cash oh it was just a deposit like a random like a well like where'd you get 700 bucks from it's kind of a long story but um it's it was just a cash deposit that i had from that was transferring from another bank account to this bank account do you have a sugar daddy No.

8:57No, I guess I'll just come up front and say right now, as far as like, because this has to do with my other bank account, my UFC account. I basically got scammed last month in that sense, in the sense of like it was a check deposit. And I think it was just, you know, my own kind of.

9:16No, the reason why I asked if you had a sugar daddy is because daddy cashed after you 400. And that's the person who I sent it to. That was his username. i know that's one of those things i was just like i was it should have been a red flag right then and there but i mean at that point i was already too deep in that i couldn't like you know not do it because it was 400 right yeah that was like half of what i've like cashapped him and that's kind of where i've been kind of dealing with that like it was it was just like a straight up scan like this guy was i was trying to help him out as far as like he came up with this story nigerian prince no it was just like um like a i one of those things they were just like trying to help someone a stranger out kind of thing where it was like oh i need money like my my i need to pay my rent and my kids are like hungry he came with this story and i was like okay well where did he approach you how did he get in contact it was like a random person but it was just like i don't want to go too much in the dis i don't want to go too much in the details but basically it was just like a cash mobile deposit thing where he had a check and i knew i knew like the situation was very sketchy going on, but I was just...

10:24Well, that's fine. You went into a guest scam. I'm just very curious how he got in contact with you in the first place. It was a friend of a friend. I didn't know the person. You took out$300 from an ATM. Who knows where that went? You took out$600 from an ATM. Who knows where that went? Spicy Boys, going to Spicy Boys, Lucky Lab Coffee, Spotify subscription. But actually, not too much in this overall state. Really not too crazy, but... That was the older one. No, it was the updated one. Oh yeah, that was the new one But there's I mean There's not really an opportunity for a lot of money to go Because not a lot of money came in So I'm glad I wasn't spending But crazy Then Acorns, you have an Acorns subscription Yeah I have an investment There's like$100 in that account So that's not really something I'm Using too often Okay I think I have like a$5 deduction every month Or something like that But it's just kind of a good set aside Capital One another checking account?

11:27Yeah Okay I don't have an updated one for that Yeah that one's like monthly So I wasn't able to pull a new one Okay So for the month of February

11:38Dude it started with$100 Ended with$100 That's yeah Sketch That's usually like my primary checking account right now And I know some people are really good out there with having low balances because they manually pay everything. But most of us were on automatic payments. So that's where it automatically sketches me. Ooh. Okay. So from here, let's see what we got going on. We got Kirby Lane going out to eat there. The Grackle. El Dorado Cafe. Now when you add these together, it's a lot more. Lots of parking. New coffee. Tiff's Treats. Potbelly. Summer Moon coffee. so now we're paypaling out again now it's really starting to add up PayPal or I'm sorry P Terry's Texas low income that's my paycheck oh okay raising canes UT food top notch coffee dude okay for someone who barely makes anything and you're living in one of the more expensive places in the United States and you're taking out student loans to go to school.

12:45You're basically, you know, in a way, you are taking out student loans to pay for all this. Not necessarily, just because my student loans paid directly to my tuition. But do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah. If you weren't spending all your money on this bullshit, you could put it towards school, but since you did not do that, you had to take out student loans. It's mostly food, so I have to eat. I just need a... Yeah, you have to eat. You can get groceries. I could, yeah. Okay. That just paint my brain. Chipotle, Summer Moon Coffee, P. Terry's, First Watch, Lucky Lab. No, you don't have to go to Lucky Lab.

13:20No, you don't have to get burgers and fries from P. Terry's. No, you don't have to go do this. That is not the kind of calories you need to have. Summer Moon Coffee. And Zilker Brewing. Yeah, is that necessary for your caloric intake to survive on a monthly basis? Whataburger, Medici, Spicy Boys. Love Spicy Boys. I don't think that's necessary for you to survive. Potbelly, Thundercloud Subs. Oh, good, because Thundercloud subs absolutely suck. They're horrendous. I don't know why people like them, but it wasn't that. It's actually Thunderboard Coffee. Sourduck. What's going on? I'm Arch Manning, Viore athlete and college quarterback.

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14:29orders over$75 and free returns. Have a great day. Level credit. What is that? Level credit? Oh, that's like my reporting credit agencies. Like a 695 is what the charge is. I report my utilities and stuff too. Probably rather you use something like Fizz, but that's fine. PTR is food service. So this is almost like every day going out to eat. So first checking account, I was like, now I'm like death. And we're borrowing because we can't afford to go to school somehow. I wonder why. Okay. And then we have university credit you savings. Okay. So we put in 800 bucks. Well, then we took out 700. Then we took out 800.

15:19Okay. Then we put in 500. Then put in 83. I'm very confused. It has to do with the check. The situation. Any balance,$109. Yeah. Okay. So you don't have savings. No.

15:33Okay. There's nothing left other than credit cards. There's no more checking accounts, right? What did I see? Or savings? I believe there was one more tracking account. Do you know what it's called? First National Bank. But that one's not really used too often. I don't have First National. But it's not used much? No, not really. Okay. Yeah, I don't have it. Not in the first batch I sent you? If it's called First National, I don't have it. Convenience? Nope. All right. Well, yeah, there's usually like$100 in there. So it's not really much. All right. discover card let's see what's going on here well i don't see the balance or anything all i see is this is just your purchases yeah so that's like the first i think that's the first built but the updated version i seen you has the charges on it because that for that no balance what it just has the charges but no balance oh okay yeah yeah so this is the updated version so um yeah the balance it's the way it came out what's the balance what's owed i'm assuming there's that yeah well i mean i I just paid it off.

16:38I can tell you right now, though. You just paid it off? Not entirely, but most of it, yeah. Yeah, because the first Discover bill I sent you, it was just me making one debt payment. And then I racked up those charges, which I just paid off. What's the balance on your Discover card? Right now, my balance is$130. Oh, okay. Have you been paying any interest? Yes, but it's like a couple dollars. Still not good. And then if we weren't going out to eat enough, we have Chick-fil-A, Spicy Boys, Benu Coffee, and Lucky Lab Coffee, Benu Coffee, Chick-fil-A. I remember coffee. You're relentless. Dude, I make better espresso out there than all of them.

17:22I need to invest in a coffee machine. I definitely... You can get a great Brewville... Thank you, Mom. Espresso machine that is perfect for starting espresso,$500. Not that you can afford that right now, but with all this coffee adding up, I bet it gets the$500 real quick. And then you just have to get beans. Chase. Oh, no, that's the chicken. Capital One Quicksilver. Balance,$100. Okay. Yeah, you paid this one off. Good. Good. So there's not outstanding debt on there. Again, were we going out to eat enough? I don't know, but we're definitely adding Domino's, Eldorado Cafe, Bird Bird Biscuit. I've wanted to go there.

17:59The new coffee, Bird Bird Biscuit, Medici, Top Notch, Bird Bird Biscuit, and Pinero Bread. Bird Biscuit's really good. You should try it out. I want to, but I'll be doing it without any bad debt or without trying to borrow money to go to school. Blue cash every day from American Express, New Balance, 126. You paid this off as well, so it's the New Balance. So I'm assuming you're paying it off. Yeah. Buddy, what are we doing? Whataburger, Medici, Uber Eats, a food service, tacos, tacos, summer moon, Klarna. Oh, yeah. It's like a finance. I know what it is. What's financed? It was my cousin's wedding gift.

18:44I already paid it off. It was just like 50 bucks. You can't afford to get it. If it's 50 bucks and you can't afford to get it, then you don't get it. I had to get him a gift. If you can't afford it, you don't do it. Lucky Lab Coffee. And you're also paying for it on a credit card, by the way. You're paying your debt with a debt. The new coffee, Burr Burr Biscuit, and some lounge, 30 bucks. Dude, you're obsessed with spending money. You go out to eat twice a day plus coffee at this point. That's pretty much right, yeah. I mean, right now I don't have a lot of time to cook, which is one reason why I don't.

19:17Oh, fuck off. But I mean, I definitely know that my spending food habits is something I really wanted to address. There is time to meal prep once a week. there is time to push brew on a$70 Keurig machine. Fuck you. You have time. Don't bull**** me. If you bull**** me here at the table, we're not going to make any progress. Don't bull**** me. So I've looked at Discover, Capital One, and Amex. So let's go back to your previous email. Dude, you have so many different things. It's absolutely wild. Chase Freedom. Let's see. You didn't fully pay this one off But Yeah and you lost$2.77 in interest Making just small It's kind of small purchases but across a bunch of cards Whataburger Banu Coffee, Banu Coffee, Medici Medici, those are coffee by the way And El Taquerido Oh it's tacos Here's another so Southwest Let's see what you did here You did pay that So I'm glad you're paying it off.

20:28I'm not going to beat you up for that, but I'm going to beat you up with just AustinPolitics.net. What even is that? Mine's the neighborhood,$20? Mine's my neighborhood association. And then the insider newsletter for city politics. Did we look at Capital One? Was that one that we looked at? Venture One. I have Venture and then Quicksilver. Okay. We looked at Capital One, Amex, Discover. I have two. Okay, so Capital One Venture. Again, within the$150,$200 range of purchases, you didn't fully pay this one off, so interest charge$315. With these small little interests, I wouldn't be surprised if we were losing like$50 a month on interest, bringing in only$2 ,000 on a monthly basis post taxes.

21:12Guess what? We're going to Madrid Street. We're going to Bird Bird Biscuit. Haven't had enough of those birds in their biscuits, and Cabo Bobs, and Lucky Lab Coffee, and P. Terry's, and Summer Moon. This is like a Austin wish list of just spending endless money on here. Apple credit card. $277. That was like a refund for a hotel for my cousin's wedding that was refunded and put to another card. So it was put on my car, but we put it on a different car, so it was refunded. Okay. I do see that. Automotive something. Oil change. My car. Brake. replacement. Then you have a few subscriptions it looks like.

21:54Yeah. What are your subscriptions? Three subscriptions. One of them is like an Apple Watch Care and then Paramount and then I forget what the other one is. How much? I'm not sure. Mine is always like. A KFC tale in the pursuit of flavor. The holidays were tricky for the colonel. He loved people, but he also loved peace and quiet. So he cooked up KFC's$4.99 Chicken Pot Pie. Warm, flaky, with savory sauce and vegetables. It's a tender, chicken-filled excuse to get some time to yourself and step away from decking the halls, whatever that means. The Colonel lived, so we could chicken. KFC's Chicken Pot Pie.

22:35The best$4.99 you'll spend this season. Prices and participation may vary while supplies last. Taxes, tips, and fees extra. Hinge premium plus. Yeah. Because I'm desperately listening. Okay. And... Lowe's credit card? Do you have a Lowe's credit card? Yeah, so my I bought a condo last year and it had a refrigerator so I financed a refrigerator on that Lowe's card. You're not fully paying this off. You're only putting 100 bucks to it. It's almost paid off. It's almost paid off, but why not just pay it off? Didn't have the money. You know why you didn't have the money, Bird Bird Biscuit? Because I'm poor.

23:14No! What are you talking about? What do you mean? That's going to piss me off. because you're poor. You've spent more than triple what the balance is on here on bulls**t. On food. On bulls**t. That's bulls**t. I mean, to some degree. What do you mean? Well, I need food to live. How do you just say that again, even though we've clearly talked about last time how you can meal prep for a fourth of the cost on a weekly basis, maybe a fifth or a sixth of the cost on a weekly basis? What is this? You need food. You did not need bird bird biscuit for your caloric intake on a daily basis to survive. That's fair.

23:54Thank you. So, no, you don't have this because you're poor. You have this because you're prioritizing your spending on what you're throwing down into your gut three times a day. Coffee in the morning, then you're getting lunch, and then you're getting dinner. Usually I'm angry at the debt, but I'm angry at you for saying that. What is this? What is this? Chase Freedom,$2 ,515.

24:23Yeah, is that correct? That's the updated version. I mean, I paid it off. Oh, it's paid off. Oh, because we looked at the Chase anyway. Yeah. Oh, God, how's it about to just die? Then we have lots of student loans. Are those all the student loans? Yeah, to my knowledge. 3 ,500 plus 2 ,253 plus 4 ,500 plus 2 ,200 plus 5 ,500 plus 2 ,137 plus 5 ,500 plus 2 ,032 plus 14 ,000 plus 12 ,000. Oh, buddy. That's a lot of student debt you got there. 3 ,622. I can't see what the interest rates are. Oh, of course, at the top of the page it says what the current balance is. I was going to say it has it on there.

25:14Okay. Great. Because they're deferred right now, I can't see what the interest rates are. I'm very curious. Yeah, they kind of vary. I think some of the unsubsidized ones are like maybe 2 % or 3%. They're not anything ridiculous, but they're not being paid. Well, it's like the highest. I really don't know. They're all federal. That's a lot, though. They're not going to be forgiven. Probably not. And you also have a mortgage, which is very curious. I do. It's a very cheap mortgage. Where is this condo? Yeah. So I actually got this condo last summer, um, through the city smart housing program. I think I saw one of your videos, the one on here said that they were in a smart housing rental, but this is a ownership unit.

25:58So, um, yeah, so basically it's just subsidized housing and it's income restricted. Yeah. It's income restricted. So you can't make more, less, more than a certain person like threshold. old where in town is it ish allendale kind of burnett 2222 current that's cheap i mean it's a studio it's a 400 square foot studio so it's like anything like super purchase you think a studio is a good purchase out there i mean i lived in the studio literally across the street and it was fine and i actually no i know i just wonder if you're gonna get like a return on this investment i'm not looking for a return all the way out there no i'm not really looking for a return like and i can't really make a return off of like a income restricted unit just because it's of its nature like it's um it's only it's um there increases like 2.5 percent every year so it's like not appreciated huh it appreciates 2.5 percent each year instead of like the market what do you mean guaranteed how does that work because the city has certain guidelines regularly say it's worth 2.5 percent more than it was last year no it's just like you It can't appreciate more than 2.5%.

27:07So, I mean, for instance, like this unit was first purchased by the second owner. It was purchased for$99 ,000 and was resold to me for$106 ,000. So, in those years, it's... I would not have put my money in there. Why did you do this? Because I was paying$1 ,200 for rent in this subsidized unit and I found this place. This is cheaper, but now you have money locked in there as something I cannot appreciate. with where I am bullish on Austin in the long-term future, not within the next year or two, but locking your money into something that is not giving you a good return and not even keeping up with inflation barely in normal times, you know, on like that 3%.

27:49Yeah, I mean, the main thing for me was just trying to secure housing, but also affordable housing. No, I get that. I do. I just wonder if like the temporary thing. Also, you could have easily paid your rent if you weren't doing all that crap with coffee. And again, it comes down to just where you're allocating your money. Your budget has to be like 75 % Medici coffee, bird, bird, biscuit. Yeah. Yeah. $733 a month per month per payment. That's fantastic. I mean, that's fantastic for the area. I mean, it's unheard of. It is, unfortunately, 36 % of your income. So it's still way too high. And you're locked in it.

28:28But we need to get your income up. you're about to graduate that'll help with things what is the interest rate on this thing though like 3.85 oh yeah yeah 3.875 okay good i'm happy you're able to walk in there dang i'm very iffy about this how much did you put down not a lot i mean this episode is brought to you by nba on prime this tuesday at 8 30 eastern It's the Emirates NBA Cup Championship game on Prime. This year's quest for the Cup has been building to this, the championship game, live from Las Vegas. Not a Prime member? Sign up for a 30-day free trial to get started today. The Emirates NBA Cup Championship game, this Tuesday at 8.30 Eastern, only on Prime.

29:13Restrictions apply. See amazon.com slash amazonprime for details. Definitely a couple thousand dollars. I'm trying to think back to the exact numbers, but... Interesting. Maybe like 5 ,000. It wasn't really, like I said, a lot. It was just enough to qualify. I really didn't know this was a thing. This was really curious, in Austin specifically. My realtor said that she had never seen a unit that low. As someone that has worked in real estate and helped people find housing, I never found a price at it. That's why I jumped on it. It was just like, yeah, why not? I do see your point as far as investment.

29:51I never came in with that mindset as far as where am I putting my money at. You only have a few thousand dollars locked in.

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30:00The one thing I will say about my mortgage is that my principal is less than half of my interest. So I'm definitely wanting, once I get more income. Well, it's because you're at the beginning of it. I want to put more towards that. Maybe. I mean, it's under 4%. I don't know if it's worth it, mathematically speaking. because 10 % of the S &P 500, which is the average, will beat 4 % every single time. That's the math behind that. That's only if the money goes towards the S &P 500 and not the extra money that you'd put towards the mortgage is going to coffee and bird bird biscuit. Is that it? I believe so.

30:40I believe so as well. Student loans are my main concern, but I don't know what the interest rates are. Yeah, I'm not sure why they don't show it on the screenshot I sent you. So it's actually not my main concern. Right now, your minimum monthly payments with a mortgage and what the student loans will be coming soon. And then obviously with what you're spending, it makes no sense for your income. So what we need to do is immediately, are you job shopping yet? No, because I'm kind of hoping to stay where I'm at as far as the nonprofit, but like not in the same role. Better job though? Yeah. Have you had conversations?

31:10Yeah. And? Yeah, they're definitely open that they want me to stay and transition to a different role. To about what kind of income? That's something that still, you know. What do you think? I'm shooting for 60, 65. Okay. Okay. If you do that, the thing is from here, there's a lot of if, ands, and buts. Which is actually curious because we haven't had this in an episode right now. What is very clear? I mean, you've already borrowed everything and put it towards the student loans. So there's no more to borrow. And there's no more you can. Okay. It's already done. It's already done. I also did just get my income tax return A few days ago and paid off A lot of my credit card debt You had credit card debt?

31:55You had credit card debt debt That you were not paying off fully? Oh no no Well I carry a balance like a small balance Every month so I was just Why do you carry a small balance every month? Sometimes I don't either have The full amount of money to pay everything off You're not a credit card person Chop them up you're not a credit card person it's fine It's okay there's nothing prideful about being a credit card person you just can't use them. Totally chill. Do everything, cash or since you live in the modern age, debit card. Checking it via budgeting app. I'd use the card that I recommend a lot of people here.

32:30I'd use the Fizz card helps you budget and also helps build credit score. So you're taking advantage of the things like you're getting with the credit card but without the negative things that you are dealing with like losing interest. Don't use credit cards anymore. Pay them off. Stop. Budget. Budget. When do you graduate? May. And then right after that, you should get that new job? Within the month. Good. So let's just say$60 ,000, okay? Good. Because what we need right now, well, first of all, right now, what you should do, because you have no savings and that's incredibly risky, especially someone with a mortgage, even though it is a cheap mortgage, and still loans are coming up, you need to, since your mortgage is so cheap, probably only do like $12 ,000 to$15 ,000 emergency fund.

33:21It's so risky that you do not have that. You need to save up for that immediately. You need to cut back everything that is not gas and a few hundred bucks for groceries and then any kind of insurances that you're forced to have and then your mortgage payment. Other than that, no more And I have absolutely no hope, no offense But just from the conversation You said, well, I have to eat To survive I have absolutely no confidence that you'll cut back on that Which means I think for the next two months I would try to build that up as quick as you can You're not going to be able to with the$2 ,000 Like not too much You probably only have a few hundred dollars left over You'd probably save up about$1 ,000 over the next month Unfortunately, I don't think that's going to happen So realistically, you'll have no savings in two months when you start your job.

34:08When you have the$60 ,000, though, what do we do? It's easy. You're probably like, after taxes, usually I'm pretty good at guessing that, about like$4 ,000, a little under that on a monthly basis you'll have, which is great. So it's like double. Yep. Woo. So that's sweet. You are allowed to allocate$2 ,000 of that to needs. you shouldn't have to because your mortgage is 25 % I would minimize everything else try to have your needs be about 35 % of your income at that point because you don't have an emergency fund everything else needs to go to save up$15 ,000 for a 6 month emergency fund then boom you have it after you have that then what needs to be assessed is what are the interest rates on some of these student loans?

35:03If there are ones that are over 4%, you kill them immediately. You don't have fun. That costs money. You're not doing Medici or Bird Bird Biscuit. You're paying them off. But anything below that, what I will allow is 50 % of our needs. Technically, because... Well, the thing is, I'm like, yeah, but should he be spending money on fun? Should he have a fun category when he has this? Bustwood the Boys is here to let you know that every college football Saturday, FanDuel is dropping profit boosts that can turn wins into bigger wins. Sounds like we should rename Saturday Booster Day. Nice! 21 plus and present in select states.

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35:59much in debt home and student loans being 150 000 like should he have fun yeah i think so for the home for the student loans maybe maybe not so i would probably try to minimize your needs category to 35 40 of your income then then i would probably do about 20 on wants if you really really want to i try to minimize that as much as you can this is me being generous and then 40 should go towards investing 40 20 and 30 so i mean if yeah yeah yeah i mean i definitely want to get into investing and i know that's something i can't really do right now because i don't have the money to begin with but uh that is something i am like looking at as far as in the near future i know i have to pay um the student loans once i graduate i think i have like a six month grace period or whatever but um you know at the end of the year at the late at the earliest um i'm gonna have to start paying those back and i ideally would like to have like a fund kind of already established where i can you know use to supplement those payments instead of just like coming directly out of my paycheck every month but what do you mean like kind of like start in that grace period kind of start working on building up some kind of a little bit of a like a like a fund to to kind of help ease the burden of my my loan payments when the time comes at the end of the year so like a stockpile of money on the other side that it gets withdrawn from potentially yeah just because I'm thinking of like depending on what my expenses are at that time like I don't know if I if I budget correctly I should have you know money to pay for it but just in case I don't have money I can have that to kind of use as a buffer until I can kind of start reallocating my Either way, your life comes down to a couple things from here Does He have high interest On some of the student loans Number one, once a free line out We attack it, depending on that Two, can he budget So far you have shown no Potential budgeting The fact that you've said twice now That I have to eat Has a reason to go out three times a day For coffee and then two restaurants I I unfortunately have no faith in that.

38:22But I have hope. I want to have hope. Please, you're at a point where you're halfway through the best decade of your life to invest. If we can just get the emergency fund, if you can budget and you can start investing and pay off any high interest loans, that'll be good. And win this car. I wouldn't go for a new fancy car, not even close to now. with the kind of car that you're looking to get with$60 ,000 it's not going to be in your income bracket, I'm sorry, it's just not unless you save up just a bunch of money on the side, but that money should probably be going towards investing or paying off debt instead if Tesla keeps cutting the prices, maybe but as of now I'm sorry, but no once you get to$80 ,000 to$100 ,000 then okay, we can talk about that starting at$60 ,000, don't even put the idea of a new car in your head, you're not in a place to I'd rather you get rid of the student loans before then I'd rather you invest before then You need an emergency fund before then I don't know I'm nervous man I'm legitimately nervous I feel like a lot of the people that I talk to who are in their early 30s They are where you are now And they didn't change anything I don't want you to be them I don't want you to be on this show In 6 years When you're 31 And you're like the person that I just interviewed before this Who was 31 Not in good financial shape, I'm assuming.

39:45It's never budgeted. Just as an endless amount of high-interest debt. And that's where you'll be because you're spending more than you make right now. Yeah, I am. And that's something that I, like I said, I have a spending habit. And actually, there's one credit card that I just opened up recently that we didn't discuss that I put. Stop, you're not a credit card person. Use Fizz debit card or use your own debit card or use the envelope system. I've never heard of Fizz. It's relatively new. And it's a resource that I've partnered with because it can help a lot of people, especially in your situation.

40:13But in the end, it's about you. I want to know, be as realistic and honest about your own mind as possible. Tell me what's going to happen from leaving here. So leaving in here, I definitely want to cut back on my spending. I think I've been more aware of it now, especially coming here. And, you know, do I need to buy this right now kind of mindset? And, you know, I can say I've only spent once money today. And so I'm going to make sure not to spend any more money today. I'm going to go home and eat at home. So I think it's going to take some time. I'm not going to cut back, I would say, immediately, even though I know I should.

41:05It's, I guess, hard. It's a habit. It's a hard habit for you to kick. It's hard. But why not act like you're an adult? Should I just cut my credit cards that way? Yes, you're not a credit card person. I mean, that's fair because that's kind of one of the things I kind of use justify when I'm spending. It's just like, oh, I know I used this card last time. I'm going to use this other one. so it's not on the same one but and because i have like six it it's just like i rotate and i mean a part of it's because i don't i don't make enough money to i guess pay for the for whatever i'm spending because i'm putting on my credit card so i think an issue i'm kind of worried about is when i do receive more income is i want to make sure i'm using it responsibly and not digging a deeper deeper hole and so um right now it's kind of where i'm like hoping to kind of have some guidance as far as actionable items to start considering at least now when I'm in that space between lower income and relatively higher income.

42:08The best piece of guidance right now is learning what the priorities are, where the money should go, and then budget according to that. So use a budgeting app of any kind. I use Rocket Money. I used to use Mint. They're both great. You can use Dave Ramsey's. You can use anyone. You need a budget. There's a lot of budgeting apps. Maybe I should make my own. I don't know. but you just need to learn how to budget i mean i have men i just and i do have like you know some budgets i just don't follow them yeah exactly a budget's only as good as you follow yeah so actual setting good budgets i think is where i can work on i think i i'll definitely i mean i've lived a frugal life i would say up until now okay up until now like you know when i was an undergrad and i was really rough in it and like making you know twenty thousand dollars i definitely did not have the money to be spending like i am now but i think over the pandemic that's kind of where you don't have the money that you're spending now well i know but um yeah this the pandemic definitely is kind of added another layer of complexity to this but i'm kind of hoping to just bounce back from it excuses excuses i i need to eat i need these calories specifically that costs$10 a meal three times a day, including coffee.

43:19He's essentially subsidizing his entire life with student loans, and that just kills me. I am not opposed to the most disadvantaged people necessarily taking out student loans when there are no other choice, but he is abusing that system. Well, not necessarily abusing it. That would be whatever. Either way, he's just digging himself in a hole, and it's bad. Hammer financial score, two out of 10. Make sure to check out all the the resources in the description below and follow me on instagram and twitter don't forget to subscribe thanks americans told washington what they want lower costs yet brandon carr's fcc is considering a merger between tv station giants nextar and tegna if approved millions of americans will pay even more to watch tv they'll pay more to watch the news entertain their kids or cheer on their favorite team thankfully president trump knows what americans want and president trump can Stop this.

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