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Podcast Episode Summary: Financial Audit - "Trans Socialist Blames Capitalism For Their Mistakes"
Overview In this episode of the Financial Audit podcast, host Caleb Hammer engages with a guest, Ellis, a 23-year-old studio manager from Dallas, who discusses their financial struggles. The conversation dives into themes of personal responsibility, financial management, and the implications of past choices.
Key Points Discussed
Guest Background
- Name: Ellis
- Age: 23
- Location: Dallas, Texas
- Occupation: Studio manager at a storage company
- Income: Recently increased from $16.75 to $18.50 per hour
- Financial Challenges: Struggles with rent and utilities, along with a significant amount of student loan debt.
Financial Situation
- Monthly Income: Approximately $3,300 (including side income from Twitch)
- Rent: $950 shared with a roommate; total rent for the two-bedroom is around $2,000.
- Expenses: Significant spending on dining out, entertainment, and personal items (referred to as "trinkets").
- Debt:
- Private Student Loans: Approximately $28,961 at a 14% interest rate.
- Credit Card Debt: Around $1,368.22.
- Additional Financial Obligations: Includes collections and a payday loan.
Discussion Highlights
- Financial Responsibility: Caleb challenges Ellis on their tendency to shift blame for financial issues onto their past relationship and capitalism, urging them to take accountability for their spending habits.
- Spending Habits: Ellis admits to spending heavily on food, entertainment, and Twitch-related expenses, often prioritizing short-term pleasures over long-term financial health.
- Student Loans: The conversation touches on the consequences of deferring student loans, with Caleb emphasizing that this could lead to accumulating more debt due to interest.
- Mental Health and Spending: Ellis mentions using food and spending as coping mechanisms for anxiety and depression, which Caleb addresses critically, pointing out the need to confront financial realities rather than escape through spending.
Key Takeaways
- Awareness and Reflection: The importance of self-reflection regarding spending habits and understanding the long-term implications of financial decisions.
- Budgeting: Emphasis on the need for a structured budget that prioritizes essential expenses and savings over discretionary spending.
- Future Outlook: Caleb pushes for Ellis to consider their financial future seriously, including the potential consequences of continuing their current habits.
Final Thoughts
- Immediate Action: Caleb advises Ellis to focus on paying off high-interest debt and establishing a budget that allows for both personal enjoyment and financial stability.
- Long-Term Goals: Setting goals for debt repayment and understanding the importance of financial literacy in achieving independence and security.
Resources Mentioned
- Fizz Card: A credit-building debit card suggested for better budgeting without accruing debt.
- Financial Education Programs: Caleb's various courses on budgeting, debt management, and investing.
Conclusion This episode serves as a wake-up call for listeners to confront their financial habits and take responsibility for their economic future. Through the dynamic between Caleb and Ellis, the podcast highlights the tension between immediate gratification and long-term financial health.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:28Hi, I'm here to pick up my son Milo. To watch episodes of Financial Audit a week earlier, check us out on YouTube. I got coddled a lot, and that's one of the reasons why I... By who? My ex, typically. It sounds like you're just trying to take an excuse for why things are bad today and why you're not doing well now. He paid for a majority of our life when we moved into... That's not your boyfriend coddling. That's you being a dumb and boring payday loans for his Xbox. I'm going to be honest with you. I think he is to blame me. The fuck are you? You just want to blame it completely on him? Do you have no ability to take any kind of responsibility?
0:58Hi, my name is Ellis. I am 23 year old from Dallas and this is financial audit. Thanks for coming on. Um, you know, I just want to ask a question. I know that you went through a lot of things with our producer, Lindsay, just to make sure you're comfortable on the show, but I'm a pretty abrasive person, especially when it comes to talking about finances. And you know, the first thing you hit me with is like asking what you're even like allowed to like say to me which i appreciate but like are you sure you're gonna be able to handle this conversation because this gets pretty intense caleb i'm ready i am ready i need a fire lit under my ass and i'm i'm ready i was just getting some sensitivity vibes yeah so i just want to make sure that i'm not like no destroying someone you don't know me so you don't know what my boundaries are so you can't hurt me fair enough so what do you do for living in dallas i am a uh studio manager i i am I manage a store and it's storage.
1:54So basically that. I manage property basically like that. So it's like a studio. That's called a studio? No, it's like a storage company basically. I don't know why I said studio. Okay. How many hours a week do you work in that? 40. What's your income there? $18.50. I just got a pay increase. I was making$16.75. Oh, okay. Wow, that's actually percentage wise a good increase. How do we feel living$18.50? an hour in the dallas area not great um i am definitely living above my means a little bit um my rent is increasingly like it's bad it's really bad i know it's it's but i mean i choose what what do you mean what is it it's it's what do you not know do you know i do i know how long have you been living in this rent you're a motive okay um 950 i think about because it fluctuates sometimes$950 yes because i split it with the roommate i split a two-bedroom with the roommate oh well so that's why it fluctuates a little bit because sometimes i like what do you mean why that doesn't make sense if you split it with a roommate are you talking about utilities included yes so half that's not that bad no for the dallas area so in total i think it's about two grand we pay close to two grand for a two-bedroom yeah but you don't no i think you have roommates yes i'm looking at someone with the roommates i'm not freaking out about what their total run of their places just what they're providing yeah so 950 give or take 950 for the dallas area is relatively reasonable and you're saying you struggle with it yes i mean there are some weeks where you're not cutting back on other things in order required to get that ish ish what is an ish well i mean like i like trinkets i like trinkets What can I say?
3:42What the f*** is a trinket? What are you talking about? Okay, so like I like to fill my room with little trinkets. I like, you know, little supplies and like little frogs. Why not pay for the room first? Frogs? They're cute. What can I say? I'm sorry. But okay, I do pay for the room first. I do pay for the room first. You got your little stem ball there. You're good. I know. Stem ball. It's fun. Have you tried these before? Girl, I walked in with one. Sorry. I'm sorry. That's, I call everyone that. You were okay. You were okay. You were okay. You were good. So they call me liege. You're okay if you want to call liege.
4:14I like liege. What's that? It's like a non-binary term for a girl, guy, princess. Okay. Hold on. Okay. I'm just, let me, let me. Okay. You're very emotive. Very excited. I appreciate it. I need to like come back down to earth real quick. Okay. So we struggle paying with rent, even though that's about a week's worth of your income, just a little bit more than a week. Well, the electricity bill is what's kicking my ass. Yeah, but you said it's variable. You said that's including utilities sometimes. Well, it is including our two. It is. So is it including electricity or not? No, because the electricity comes.
4:49Do you know what utilities are? What are you saying? Okay, the 950 comes from my second paycheck. Because my second paycheck. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The rent that comes, the 950, you said that includes utilities. But you're saying not electricity? Not electricity. Electricity is entire. Because it comes from the second paycheck. This is the first. So the first paycheck is a month. That's where we're starting. We're starting with that kind of mindset. What do you mean? Why would we not include electricity in utilities? because i don't include it in my in my secondary like that is like so the way i budget mentally is my first paycheck is electricity because my first paycheck is like my flex paycheck and everything like that flex paycheck so like if i want to get myself a little treat for the month that's what i have that paycheck i do that with instead of rent well that's the second paycheck because the second paycheck is all so electricity instead of electricity's first paycheck but you said sweet treat was first paycheck too it's both because first paycheck is like i think right now it's why didn't i set yourself up you could be good for the month though because i just paid it i just paid the rent for the first paycheck no you said first paycheck goes to electricity second paycheck goes to rent yes because electricity i mean first paycheck is is fifth is 1200 so electricity is only like 100 bucks so 100 bucks of 1200 and then i have 11 100 Hold on.
6:02Just to confirm. I want to make sure I heard this right out. You're a rambler. I was tuning out. It's okay. $100 goes to electricity. Yes. That's what you're freaking out about. It's$100. If you're freaking out about$100, we have more problems. $100 is not an insignificant amount of money. I want to be clear. You can get a lot with$100. But if we are make or break on life from$100, there's much worse happening. it's more the second paycheck that me up a little bit you were just complaining about electricity you said the issue here electricity is is way more than it needs to be i feel like like electricity should not be like 200 bucks a month i feel like should not be what it should not be you mean entitlement are you saying what like i'm saying i'm overpaying that's what i'm saying i i feel like you're probably paying on what you use i don't care that doesn't listen that's a completely different conversation the electricity is used you pay for it that's what it is but you were complaining that the issue that you're dealing with was the electricity it was a hundred dollars not insignificant to be clear but not to make a break for your life you complete that in a day yeah you make that in a day i do make it in a day but i just i feel like the way that my brain works is just what i don't know it just feels it feels not right it just feels like i'm overpaying for that but that's not the make or break though you said it was the make or break but it's it the make or break is the total amount that i pay to live i feel like i feel like it sounds like a thousand fifty yeah even still that's not the cur like for dallas i still feel like it's not the craziest i think it sure it might be a lot listen a lot of money in terms of percentage of your income potentially but the thing is you could afford it that screams to me that that is not the issue and there's a much larger substantial issue in your life in your finances and your spending and your management and your lack of budgeting and your ability to survive like an adult who knows how to look at their money and see where it's going like looking at my bank account okay i hear that all the time why because it's okay so it's like when you're a child and you get scolded for like doing bad choices uh-huh i don't like looking at the bank account scolding doesn't compound though it's not like if you do those bad choices and eventually they catch one at the end you get all the other bad choices plus more this is kind of this compounds the less and you look at it the worse and worse it gets meaning the anxiety is building because you know it's only getting worse it's something you have to confront that's why i don't look at my grades when i was in college because i was afraid actually yeah i didn't look at my grades because i got so terrified that i was doing a terrible job why are you here why are you here i am here because i have gotten a lot of money recently from my streaming services and i don't know what to do really yes i have actually streaming services yeah uh what do you do i am a contact trader on twitch uh-huh okay any specific niche uh gaming and slice of life typically okay i don't play a lot of video games my video games have been like like mobas if you will so i'm branching out to single players and a lot okay and we don't allow people to come on to plug their things that's why you know using a fake name and there's no socials linked so like that doesn't matter uh so you got a lot of money and you're wondering what to do with it or was it like a lump sum like you had a really good month or things are rampant things are ramping what are we what are we talking like these last two months um have been oh close to a thousand uh the first one was 970 and the last one was a thousand and then this really set me up for a much larger number come on well you know you did right i i maybe i teased a little bit but it's a lot to me because i mean that's like an entire paycheck right there no no i get that it's not an insignificant yeah but when you say i coming into a lot of money we're probably thinking like tens of thousands no it's like a thousand well that's great i mean that's good for extra supplemental income for something you probably enjoy more yes okay 40 40 hours a week on that other job how many hours a week on the twitch stuff probably close to 40 i'm definitely working as long as it's growing what is like the percentage growth month over month revenue wise um i don't know off the top of my head i just what's it go to what?
10:07So, okay. This one so far, what's your projected revenue? My projected revenue is close to$600. You said you have what? So you're going down! Well, no, because the last two months I was doing a birthday thing, and I kind of overspent for my birthday stuff, but that is what it is. Oh, every f***ing time. I swear. I'm a giggler! I'm sorry! I swear. Every f***ing person. You just started seeing this. You gotta, you gotta. Hey, get by that! One second! I'm talking! I don't get it. I'm f***ing talking. I swear all these people that just have these financial issues these dots connect every single one of them why what is this obsession with like birthday months and all this bullshit who cares set yourself up for any success in the future how about that okay so I do set myself up for success because yeah yeah because before when I get like a thousand hours in retirement no no no actually I have 1500 in my 401k thank you very much but come on don't be a dumb what do you mean Okay, but listen, listen.
11:05I, I. Are you f***ing with me? No, I'm not. Because I put, when I get my paycheck, because I know I overspent, I send my roommate the money for rent. So that way I know I don't overspend. Do you watch the show a lot? I've watched a couple episodes, yeah. I feel like you just mimicked me. What do you mean? Okay. So, the supplemental income. Yeah. What have you done? So what does the birthday thing, okay. I spent$400 on a piece of art. yeah but i'm confused again the income from twitch went down yeah thousand to six hundred what does that have to do with the birthday thing because people are donating more for the birthday yes because i did okay so that's not that any skill of the content that's just a unique situation before that i was making like a hundred dollars but now the birthday thing is okay what's your concurrent viewers on average um on average i 25 to 30 depends on um okay they're just high donators, high subscribers, very passionate.
11:58Yes. And it's, it's a lot of people hear my story and they want to help me out. Okay. Well, that's cool. I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm glad. So what is going on right now with your debt, with your finances all around? The little more is coming in. Okay. Wonderful. Good. That is not a bad thing. Utilizing it and putting it in the right place is what matters. So what is going on? What are we looking at? My biggest thing that's eating my right now is my is my student loan dad like my private student loan dad it's absolutely yes it is my private student loans college avenue is what it is and uh and that's that's the government one yeah yeah because that my apr oh my apr is at 14 and i am yeah that is what is eating my right now yeah no that is what i'm freaking out about because that payment is due.
12:53I deferred it for six months again because I didn't get the promotion yet. And I was still living on 1675. Oh, for f***s sake. What did you go to school for? I didn't finish college. What did you go to school for was the question. I went to school for business, for marketing. Okay. How many years did you go and where? So I started out at Baylor University. and then I went to I went back. I failed out of that year and I went back home to do Baylor's insane. So I didn't want to go. I knew I shouldn't go but I am a little like, I'm a people loser. So I gave in to peer pressure of - From who? The fam?
13:37Yes. That's crazy. One of the first few episodes we ever recorded someone was peer pressured to go to Baylor and it completely f***ed their life. Oh, it did. Luckily you have a lot less student loan than them but it ballooned. my mom took a lot of that debt my mom took really how much does she have she has 30k um from baylor and i took out i think 10k uh for myself from like the because i know with students they do a little thing where like you get your own personal debt and everything like that so i took out 10k with that so that's what the the other student loan is for um and then i went back home because i graduated in 2020 i graduated high school in 2020 and 2020 was to begin with so So that's your big issue then.
14:17Yeah, is student loans. Okay. Then why possibly, why possibly would$416 go to going out to eat alone? One category out of many a bull. One thing that could be going to compounding that payoff of the student loan debt. Private student loan debt. I like food. That's not cute. That's not funny. I love food. food it's nice because it's like you come home from a day of work and you just want to eat food because it like warms your soul it's like soul food i need little trinkets in life i need little pleasures and stuff like that i feel like are you joking is that a joke no no one talks like that i talk like that no you don't i do so you know i'm all about helping you avoid messing up your finances so let me tell you about the fizz card if you're a college student or you're just not a credit card person, listen up.
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17:30I like being a joke.
17:35My, I was a joke for a lot of period of my life. So.
17:41Okay. All right.
17:46Let's, I mean, we're talking finances. I'm sorry, but I don't know. Well, I mean, it, I got coddled a lot, like in my adulthood. and that's one of the reasons why who um my ex typically your ex okay yeah a lot so when i moved um because i failed out of baylor came home went to community college and then i moved out to arizona he coddled me a lot in that aspect because i wasn't doing what i was going to school yeah what was coddling come on he would pay my rent because i was not making enough money to live in phoenix because i my rent was a thousand dollars yes i was working at starbucks i was not getting 40 hours a week though not getting because starbucks would not okay so he was helping subsidize that's not necessarily connelly he was paying for the entire rent typically yeah but it's weird that you're blaming his past action for you i like i get it if it was enabling bad behavior but i don't necessarily know if it was because you were working and it sounded like you were trying to get more hours but you didn't have the job so i don't know what you're talking about it sounds like you're just trying to take an excuse for why things are bad today and why you're not doing well now i think i think it i think he is to blame i'm gonna be honest with you i think he is to blame the are you what do you mean do you have no ability to self-reflect internally and take any kind of responsibility we barely even looked at your numbers yet but that's insane i think what an ex again when did you break up a year ago okay i broke it's been a year i broke how long were you guys together five and a half what other coddles what five and a half what other coddles he paid for a majority of our life when we moved in together like what though like he paid for all of our food he paid so needs okay but you're working you're going to school sometimes that happens i want to hear why it was actually detrimental to you i understand if it's enabling bad behavior but you're not making it sound like it was necessarily it was detrimental to the fact that i never learned how but like i never know in the value of the dollar i didn't know like how much yeah but you've had a year now why haven't you tried to learn anything i mean i Are you saying, did he coddle all the way up to the moment you broke up?
19:48Yeah, because, I mean, I felt sh** about myself to the point where, like, everything. I have notes that you got your boyfriend an Xbox and used payday loans for it. Yes. That's not your boyfriend coddling. That's you being a dumb f**k in borrowing payday loans for his Xbox. Because I felt bad. I have notes here about this. I had to scroll down and find it. It's deep in here. These notes aren't even, like, for me. This isn't for me. this is them taking notes for themselves like i don't go deep into the depths but i know you were calling bull you were making bad choices in that relationship i know from the conversations you had based on me digging deep here but you just want to blame it completely on him that disgusts me for like the rest of this conversation that just suggested me that oh we're just never going to take responsibilities for a single thing you're gonna marry him okay well this one's interesting he was a feeder yes so uh at like trying to get you like bed bound i weighed for or i've lost 50 pounds oh i've lost i know i think i'm pushing 75 now but i've lost like oh that's great i was pushing 300 pounds and now i'm teeter-tottering on on uh 200 i'm about to be under 200 and i'm so freaking excited but he like i mean he would come up and ask me at like 2 a.m do you want mcdonald's and i'd be like yeah let's go or say no that's not feeding he he asked if you wanted i was so i was so depressed caleb that i needed well hold on but that sounds different than someone who's like just like endlessly bringing food he came to you and said do you want to go right no doordash he would do you doordash because he would yeah but did he doordash and then give it to you or did he ask hey do you want to order some doordash i'm getting food no he would doordash and give it to you okay well that's different it's it you made it sound different okay but he would constantly like let's go get food all of our dates was let's go get food let's go do this let's go eat food i'm the type of person where i want to go out and do activities granted i can't do it now but like activities well i can't do activities now because my have you ever heard of a park there's trees it's great there's water that's okay but like you can't go to parks no but that's not entertaining it's not like i i well you It's not like flashing lights like an arcade or something like that.
22:10You know what I mean? It's not. Yes, park is free. Go to the park in the wintertime. There's flashing lights everywhere. Ho, ho, ho. Okay. So you're blaming all this on him. The feeding thing definitely sounds weird, and I'm taking your word for it. Well, okay, you've been a part 50 for a year, and you've lost 50 pounds, which is incredible, or even 75. Incredible. if you've improved that part of your life why are we improving this part of your life i feel like i am because i know that i have a problem i'm aware i have a problem which is one of the reasons why when i no no no no no no no no when you're aware you have a problem you don't spend 450 going out to eat which is already bad for you because it was already bad for you in that relationship and you put it towards student loans that you said were holding you back specifically the private student loans because they're like 14 because you went to baylor you know what actually happens i'll give you a real world example again this is one of the first few episodes that we uploaded on this channel.
23:00She went to Baylor. She didn't want to go to Baylor. Her parents forced her to go to Baylor. They said they'd pay for the whole thing. Your parents didn't do that from the sounds of it, but okay. So she went there because it sounded like, okay, this is where they want me to go. They ended up not paying for her. She ended up taking more student loans than you about double, but guess what? Because she couldn't afford to pay for them for multiple years, they went from like$80 ,000 to$250 ,000 of high interest private student loans that'll never be forgiven. That'll never be a go away via bankruptcy.
23:23And that's where you're headed. If you continue to spend money going out to eat instead of putting it towards the student loans they wanted to raise the minimum payment so that it would actually start going towards the principal a bit more instead of just the interest good that's beneficial the minimum monthly payment was right off the bat like i haven't paid anything yet when they called me you haven't paid anything no i haven't i mean when is it when did it start when did you drop out of school i this year so my my my okay i think i I can't remember what the six month period is called, but that started in September.
23:54My first payment was due in September, but I did the deferment. Oh, you got an extra deferment on top of that? Yes, because. Oh, but the interest is accruing most likely during that. I know, but I didn't. Which you're heading into that same situation that that guest had. Yeah. It's like a full two and a half year reunion with that guest two years before. I didn't know. I knew, but I couldn't afford it because it was like I had to pay. What were you doing during that time in September? I didn't have. I was still making$16.75. $16.75. I didn't know if I was going to be able to budget it in. Go ahead.
24:27Go ahead. Why don't you. Where was a lot of your spending? I think a lot of it was in a checking account, right? A lot of it was in savings. Show me your checking. Huh? A lot of it was savings. Okay, go ahead. Show me your spending account in September. Let's see. I'm going to see what it looked like because you were unable to make a payment. Let me see. Let me see. I would be very curious because, again, so far it sounds like victim of the world. So let's see. Completely out of your control. September couldn't make any payments, right? Let's see. Let's take a little look. August. Let's take a little peek.
24:57Okay, we've changed to August. No, because I started, because it was deferred, because the first payment was due at the beginning of September, and I didn't get the promotion until September. Let's see August. Let's take a little peeky, a little August peeky, and screen recording will censor things, just like in your regular statements. I can't remember, because I switched banks, so I don't know if it was in. No, go ahead and take a look. in your spending account while you're doing it, I want you to give me a 0 out of 10. What do you think your finances are today? 0 being the absolute worst, 10 being the absolute best.
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26:56Sounds like you're probably spending too much on your service. You ever thought about doing helium for$15 a month? Can I do the two month period? They have the same towers as T-Mobile. They actually are good. But there you go. You can check off your bingo card for the episode. I think. Can I just show you like the transactions? Does that work? Or just say what do you want? Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Transactions is fine. Okay. So I will start. And then you want me to screen record? Oh, yeah. Okay. Guys. Course Careers is having a Black Friday sale right now. You guys should check it out. A lot of people in the audience took advantage of it last year.
27:32Helped their resume. Made more money. Okie dokes. We're back. We're back. The extended ad segment is done. We went to Panera. guys I'm good thing we went to Panera and Cava in the colony and it's like not fully oh did you scroll to the bottom no I don't have the beginning this is only starting mid August yeah cause I don't spend at the beginning of the month cause my how my page oh you do this so weird okay I got you don't apologize to me we got tacos dutch bros an apple subscription of some kind we went in and got a drink from 7-11 we're zenning up we got some best buy uh the tropical smoothie amazon tom thumb no you did not have to take a deferment all of this stacked up you probably could have made a payment you got doordash there you got amazon there you got some more amazon there so a lot of that was probably no we've literally only progressed two days star donuts mcdonald's uh okay okay oh freeman g what is that let me see i don't know chick-fil-a doordash we're back good 30 dollars guys we have to defer our student wants we couldn't pay these and we're gonna allow interest to continue but let's get door dash because we're or want to leave the house 120 sent out there we'll obviously black out that name but uh crush taco that was sonic drive-thru let's get real food this is probably surprise you're eating like this and losing weight good for you i wish i could eat like this and lose weight if i touch a calorie i gain 100 pounds i stopped eating sugar 27 i guarantee you the sugar and all this fast food you're getting 27 $47.
29:05Twitch Center. Great. Wendy's. Oh, my gosh. We're still barely through the latter half of mid-August. Starbucks. Sonic. Whataburger. Amazon. This is crazy. More Cava. I canceled my Amazon account because I was spending too much money. Congratulations. But guess what? You deferred your student loans while doing this. Apple Bill. Sonic. Netflix. And I am not. Canva that time. PayPal. Oh, that was PayPal. in that time mcdonald's paypal out paypal out so that's all of my twitch hey hey hey hey hey hey i'm sure you're even breaking even with it you spend so much money five are out okay you're right come on that was 138 so you're barely bringing any money from twitch i'm glad you're bringing in supplemental income from twitch but the amount of money that is going out for twitch another 45 there and then all the extra things surrounding twitch is crazy in the canva i'm sure that was associated with that and sonic and etsy out and zellion out ten dollars zelling out$45.
30:03And right around there, that's where your deferment went in. That's bull. You decided you wanted to live fun, have fun. If you defer because you could not survive, I would have sympathy. But the fact is, I don't even care if you take deferment, whatever. It's not the action of taking deferment that I care about. It's the fact that you're aligned to sit there without paying any balance and the interest is accruing at 14%. And I've seen someone in your exact position from Baylor with private student loans who got it to$250 ,000. I wouldn't be surprised if they're now like$350 ,000, two and a half years later, you're going to end up there.
30:31You are going to end up there. And see, you're a human being that exists on this planet. Seeing you get to that position when you do not have to, but you choosing Taco Bell or whatever and DoorDash$30 over actually making any kind of progress and trying to live a better life and have even more independence. Because guess what? Let's pretend that last relationship, it was full, him owning you, all that kind of stuff from kind of how you made it sound. Let's just fully take your word on that. 100 % victim was correct. Okay. You know, like the victimizing yourself was 100 % correct. Cool. Cool. Wonderful.
31:06How do you get more independence and never have to rely on anyone or ever get dependent on anyone? You get yourself out of this debt, but you are not choosing that. You are choosing Taco Bell. Ring, ding, ding, ding, ding. You're just ringing that bell every day of your life, throwing it down the throat. Well, still losing weight. Congratulations. I'm jealous. Crunchwrap Supremes hit hard. I'm sorry. They do. And they hit my fat hard. Somehow not you. but the thing is you have the chance for the better life you have the chance to not be dependent on anyone else again but you are choosing no you are choosing my future i want to enjoy the goods now my trinkets my fast food my whatever because i mean now is guaranteed later is not yeah but guess what if later is not guaranteed and you die tomorrow you won't know that you had sacrifice or if you had fun you won't know even following let's pretend let's you follow most religions even then you don't uh it says that you don't know the majority of stuff that happened in your sentient life here on earth anyway so no matter what happens essentially based on your beliefs it doesn't matter so bet on the higher statistical chance that you're gonna be here tomorrow and sacrifice for it because you won't know if you had fun and you won't know if you sacrificed either okay but fun okay now see are you trying to be a little cheeky a little fun you're a little old silly guy stop you're not stop stop this is your life you're what i like having fun this this this it's hard it's hard to be better when you like old habits die hard i guess it's really hard to then you don't care to an extent i do i feel like yeah but you care about taco bell and door dash more because i want to feel okay if i don't feel okay what's okay what is feeling okay what about safety and security not having to depend on anyone ever again that feels better i guess You're together five and a half years and you had to fight to get away, it sounds like.
32:55Cool. So if that's the case, why set yourself up for a higher likely chance you'd be in that position again? Instant gratification then. Call it what you will. Okay. But it's hard to see the future because I want instant gratification now. Yes, we all do. We all do. But when I got out of debt, which was similar debt to what you have, I put that aside. And my life is so much better now. I can see how it can be better, but it's... And you'll have amazing instant gratifications when life is better. I promise. It's a relatively temporary sacrifice. Let's start with this Discover card. Okay. On here, you owe$1 ,368.22.
33:44I think your private synonyms are a couple documents in. You have a$49 minimum fee payment. for your income these minimum monthly payments are going to stack hard so i typically pay right now it's actually down it's at a thousand right now spent two thousand dollars in the last eight months on art for twitch i did for twitch but you've barely made that much you just got lucky these past couple months because your birthday and you have a dedicated fan base which is awesome i love that for you and good for them as well of being so kind but come on what kind of art what are you kidding what do you what do you mean spending on what are you buying what are you doing my model art she looks hot as but i like model what's a model so like i am i'm a vtuber so like the model art moves so it's not even you no it's of my model who looks hot okay we're not gonna show it on screen but can i see yes you can do you want to see right now i would like to see right now because i can judge hotness do you want to i'm gonna show you this is gonna be good
34:43is involved i can show you one with no okay do you want to see one with or do you want to see with butt i'll let you pick are you a guy or are you a butt guy i want you to give me what you think
35:00okay sure i guess if i found cartoon characters i can't that doesn't excite me i'm sorry well then that's that's on you but here it is on me see yeah the butt doesn't do it either it's a cartoon butt it's a very animated but yeah like well that doesn't you know okay yeah no you know we save the gooning behind the you are youtube membership typically if you if you're a fellow like the rest of us but i am a fellow gooner okay well clearly you can't afford it so the thing those two pictures a little bube censored by the way it wasn't even real or like you know i had to pay for commission like for uh commercialing fees because i am I'm opening a merch shop tune.
35:36So I have to pay for commercially paying my artist. No, like I have a personal artist. What have you made net like$5 in the end? So for this, I haven't started it. Soft launches next week, but I don't know. But based on how much interest it is, because I did like an interest check and everything like that, I've projected 24 people that show up. So it's consistently. That's the thing. Cause it rotates like not every. I know we live stream in our YouTube membership. I get it. So I'm projected to make about 600, I think. I need to look at the numbers. Mind you, you spent 2 ,000. That's not all in the commercial art, though.
36:14Because I spent, that is also on my model, which is a lot of. Do you sound like this when you're VTubing? No. So you have like a voice modifier? No. Oh, you mean like, I didn't know what you meant. I thought you meant like my dialect or anything like that. No, I sound like this. This is how I sound. Because people like different dialect. People talk different. You get like a British accent? Sometimes I do. You know what I mean? Okay. Stop. Gosh. Okay. It's a terrible British accent, but it's an accent. Stop yourself, please. For the sake of my sanity. Thank you. They're typing tomato in my chat with them.
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36:49Tomato. Boo. No, like boo. Like, f*** you, boo. Stop. I think I'm doing a great job. No, job? This isn't a job. My accent. This is not a job, no. Oh, my gosh. okay you are you're turning me into the i've been on your side you're literally i'm going to start not liking you please i do not want to have that feeling i'll stop i'll stop again you are a person that exists i've seen people who get in the situation where you're headed to i want to prevent you from getting there okay and i take this very seriously and i know i'm intense but i take this very seriously because i want you to have a better life but if you're just around i'm not recording this i'm not filming if you're around i'm not i promise i think you promise I want to touch your V-tubing pinky.
37:32So$1 ,368.22 on here. $49 minimum fee payment, please. $145 of purchases, meaning your balance went up, even though it is accruing interest. So, mind you, here's some bingo financial audit. It's a credit card that you can't fully pay off. That's accruing interest, yet you decide to purchase on it. Go ahead and walk me through your logic there, please, because there's none. so i had an event that happened in october that i didn't have to make purchases yes however what was the event it was a event in uh the dfw area that i was a content creator for and i got uh was like featured or whatever okay so you should have been paid instead of sending money that i purchased just because they were little trinkets thinking about glp1 meds like ozempic or we go be, then you know the struggle of dealing with insurance and endless appointments.
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39:04Over 250 ,000 people trust and use Roe for GLP-1's medication. So what are you waiting for? That's roe.co slash Caleb. It takes just a few minutes. So what are you waiting for? Go to row.co slash Caleb to find out if you're covered for free. I have going inside a gas station for a drink. I have some barbecue catering. Then I have specs, then I have specs, and then I have Amazon. So it's not all that. The food because they wanted to go out to eat after the event and everything like that. Huh? They wanted to go out to eat, to barbecue after we did the event one night. They? Who's they? The people who invited me to go to the event and everything.
39:43They wouldn't cover your food even though he invited you to go to the event? What the hell are these people? No. If you're listening, stop being bad invites. Well, I mean, I also struggle with people paying for me as well. I don't give a fuck. Why? Because I think it has to go back to being financially dependent on him, which I know. I mean, based on finances, it's like I'm not doing well for myself. But I don't want to go back to people paying. I get it. But you know that's different. We can separate it a little, right? Yeah. I get this probably a little trauma surrounding that relationship. Yes.
40:15I get it. I get it. I get it. And then the like just liquor for days and liquor for days. I don't normally. So the Amazon one was for my the business stuff. I went inside Texaco and got some bull. I did get bullshit. I got a monster, which I have been doing better on because what I do is I now bulk buy instead of because the if you go to the gas station, it's like$8 for monsters or whatever. So instead I go to Kroger and I get a 12 pack of monster for 20 bucks. I don't care. You went and did it. Okay, but like I'm doing better. I feel like. It's not reflected in your statements. Anyone can say anything.
40:49Okay, that's fair. But like I. Yeah, it added 24.74 % interest rate. Oh, that's how much that was? I don't know. What? I don't remember how much my interest rate on my Discover. Okay. Capital One, what's the balance? Because you provided like screenshots of your purchases, but not a balance or interest or anything. Oh, no, I should have did that. But my balance is currently there is a pending payment right now to pay off the card. So it's completely. Really? Yeah. Because what I do is that is I'm switching everything over. So all of my stuff that I need to pay for Twitch, that is all going to be on Capital One.
41:27So what I'm going to start doing since I'm making enough money is I'm just going to pay off that card every single month. So right now. Jake, did you have a balance? Okay. So do we just treat this like paid off then? um it did say on the experian report that there was balance of like a hundred bucks because it's it's paying now it's it's like i literally yeah okay what was the balance i want to make sure we actually made substantial progress it was 300 i believe like 300 oh okay yeah listen and that's not it's not no good job paying that off that is showing a little bit of discipline there specifically with that card gosh but compare that to like the 1368 on that other card in these student loans i really thought when we paid off a card we like paid off a card so when i pay off discover that will be a big win for me because i've had that card since i was 18 okay gosh i'm sorry sorry i don't want to take away from that win i was i i kind of like when you say i come into a lot of money it was it was like well i paid off this card i was like but okay So you put money on here and spend it off.
42:38It's okay. If you want the little extra safety net, dude, use the Fizz card. It's a debit card, but it builds credit. So you get the same kind of things, but you're not going to overspend on it and spend more money than you have in your checking account. Valve is spending in there. Humble bundle. Oh, wow. I haven't heard of that in a bit. Door dash. We're still door dashing. Listen, here's the thing. You're right. You put it on this card. You pay off this card. Congratulations. That's wonderful. But guess what? We still have the student. What? The movement. It was funny. I'm excited. You have the student loans to pay off.
43:10Even if we're putting the DoorDash on the card that we're paying off, that is still$30 that you were paying off towards the card. That could have gone to pay off the student loans that are accruing at a 14 % interest. So it's still not a good purchase. Amazon, I need to look at your Amazon. And then Sonic and Sonic and Zone Noodle. It's all bullshit. This isn't Twitch spending. What are you talking about? Well, this is this month. This is this month. This is me switching over. Because as you can probably see. Wait, so it wasn't – what's actually going to be different other than you thinking that it's going to be deaf friends?
43:39Well, because I have to close my Chase account. I have to – Why? Because I don't want to be with Chase because with Discover checking, they pay you early. Oh, come on. That shouldn't be the thing. That shouldn't be the issue. I don't want to have – Listen, if that's the reason, then again, it's stemming from just financial inability to – not immaturity, but inability to manage our finances, maybe financial immaturity, but like getting that pay quicker, like a day or two early, that shouldn't be what's making or breaking us. If you're managing a budgeting, go through our budgeting class. You get all three of our programs.
44:18You get them for free. Go through the quizzes, do it, do it with your family. If you want to, I don't give a right now. They're all bundled together for 10 or 15 % off. I don't don't remember what we decided but check it out uh but come on like obviously with the chipotle and the dickies arena tropical smoothie cafe going inside and getting some bull going inside and getting some bull tacos and chick-fil-a that all even if paid off on the car could have been going to the damn student loans and prevented you from turning like that guest that was on the show two and a half years ago the dickies arena my that was a purchase for my sister sister my mom paid for it.
44:55She gave me money on that. I'm okay with that. I don't know if I would put it on credit cards. It's a little risky. What if you don't pay it? Crew an interest. Maybe some business purchases. I don't know. Office? Who knows? Okay, so this is the big guy. This is the big dude in the room. Chrissy thinks the balance is something you can deal with. It really is. As far as student loans go,$28 ,961 is not look at the starting balance listen i get it it started at 22 i've seen worse on the show i'm not trying to diminish this but the thing is i think the average person walks away school 40 000 hours i don't have a degree though that's the thing i know i know but walks away 40 of people uh who go to college don't graduate so i was one of them but you know as far as like you made it sound like this indestructible force where it is statistically if we put it on the scale is pretty darn in the norm.
45:55The interest rate is rough. Don't get me wrong on that front, but the deferment when you could have paid, I don't know, what was the minimum payment at the time? 300. You could have paid that. I saw$300 of purchases times two minimum. And we already know you spent$400 on going out to eat. So I don't give a fuck you. You're doing this to yourself. You're destroying your life. That's your choice. So you're acting like this is much bigger than it is. It's not insignificant. And it might feel like it has feelings. sure okay great because that's what's you know making or breaking our financial situation because not the actual number the the everything feels like a giant mountain to me everything feels huge and just looking at that number because it accued so much over these last year then because you chose not to pay on it for this this this a couple months i'm going to come yes but that's a couple months of no money going towards it at that 14 that's insane let's see oh come on one month almost$300 of interest is accruing.
46:51It's eating my ass, like I said. Okay, no more tongue-destroying conversations. We don't need to have that. That's fine. Listen, the thing is, you're just, I don't know, you're making it sound indestructible. Like, you have no control over this. And that is victim mentality. And if you have that your entire life, you're never going to conquer it. You're never going to conquer anything. You're never going to be able to retire. You're never going to have self-control. You're going to end up in a relationship like that again. If everything is beyond your control that's where you're going to end up you're going to end up at the bottom of this mountain that you're afraid of constantly you're never going to make a single step up maybe once you go up it's shorter than it seems you don't know in fact it is because again even still this balance after all the interest accrued and never making any progress towards it it is still over ten thousand dollars less than i think the median person uh borrows when they go to college whether or not they graduated or didn't but i don't think my salary reflects like paying it off quickly like It's just like because it's going to – Sorry.
47:49Again, I say that for a moment. You're good. You're good. You're good. You're good. Go for it. Go for it. Go for it. Go for it. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. You spent$400 going out to eat. So salary reflected. We know you could have put an extra$100 more than your minimum payment if you had your minimum payment on it. This is your choice. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we're just throwing our lives. It's a funny joke. It is a funny joke. I mean life is a funny joke. What are you talking about? Well, because it's... I don't know how to deal with that. Life is a joke, I feel like, to an extent, because sometimes I feel like it's not real.
48:23You know what I mean? I feel like you're just endlessly deflecting with humor. Like, you have no other coping mechanism. I don't. You're so right. Other than you're just like, our life's a joke, whatever. I don't have a coping. And again, that with assuming that this is indestructible and you cannot conquer that, you are never going to get anywhere with that. Never. Well, then let's change that. Well, I would love to. Participate, please. And that change would be good. I mean, you're making it sound like you can't do this, but I know you can. I think I can because I feel like I want to make my life better.
48:56I feel like I do. And I think I can because it's - What would make your life better? Paying on that loan. Why? Because it's not going to keep incurring right after like$300. Sure. What's better about your life not having this debt? Being able to buy a house soon. A house? A house. We want a house. I would love a house. This house is great. I would like to be debt free by the time I'm 30. You can do that. I think. Unless there's something in here I don't know about. No, because the only other thing that I feel like would be significant is my car loan, but I don't have one. My car is paid off. Oh, well, okay.
49:28Well, what's your car? My car is a 2017 Volkswagen Jetta. How's she doing? She is going to need a replacement here in a year and a half, I feel like. A year and a half? Okay. So we've got to essentially calculate$10 ,000 into that. Yeah. Because she is at one, I'm f***ing with numbers. It's one five, or no, one three eight comma zero zero zero. I don't know how much. 138 ,000? That. That's how much miles she has on. You didn't know how to say that? No. I think I have the thing where the numbers like to jump around in my head a lot. And sometimes I see the number wrong. That's probably, yeah. Okay.
50:04Good to you. But I feel like that is also, I think I see all of this, right? I see all of this stuff and I get down two numbers. I know crazy. But it's, it's still like, I see everything that I have and I think it's just really overwhelming. And I think I get the sense of overwhelming. That's fine. But again, I want to correct that mindset a little, the longer you let it sit, the more overwhelming it's going to become. May as well just rip that bandaid off. It's going to become even worse. And we know that cause it went from what? Oh, 20, 20, 22 ,000 to 28. Yeah. So you know, it gets worse. I know it gets worse.
50:39Actually, let's just do some basic math on this. Let's just pull out my compound calculator. If I don't pay it for, because my next payment is due in March. So if I start. I'm just going to say you keep deferring this thing, right? Because you just keep saying I can't make a payment. I'm an endless victim. So, you know, it's absolutely a burst. 14 % annual interest on this. Okay. Let's just say you don't pay it off the next five years. That becomes$76 ,000. Holy. Yes. And that's what happened to that other person. She just kept deferring. She wasn't making payments. building absolutely in the minimum payment it gets worse 152 000 if you don't pay it over the next decade that is a lot more than what if you're not terrified of that i don't know this looks overwhelming you don't even know how bad is that 150 000 that's like that's like a down payment for a house basically oh well that's a huge that's like that's like half of a house because the houses that i want are like 30 300 okay but it's that's a lot of money uh-huh yeah yeah Yes, that's what I'm saying.
51:40So I think maybe possibly cutting back may help just a little bit. But I. Villain laugh. $2 ,327 on this Affirm. Yeah, I defaulted on that. Oh, it's closed. Does this hold off to collections yet? I think so. No, I don't think so. You don't think so? No, because account. I do have a collection. Account. No, it's still under Affirm. Okay. okay but collections and that'll hurt your credit even worse and you want to get a house okay well that is so what happened with that is i was still trying to do school and everything like that so i try to do that with the dental stuff huh so i just try to do a dental program and that didn't work out very well for sure yeah why were you affirming things that you couldn't pay because i needed an education that was the pressure why are you affirming though because it was a program um that costs you affirmed the program i did yes were you still in school while doing this program?
52:39This was the school. What did you try to do? So I went... This was post-Baylor. So I went to two different schools. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What? Baylor. And Grand Canyon University. Okay, Grand Canyon. And then this was after Grand Canyon. Oh, this was a third attempt. Yes. And I did not do well, clearly. Okay, obviously, the course careers are going to hook you up with one of those certifications. But... And it's free for you. 25 % off for everyone else for Black Friday. Free for you. grand canyon university we owe the we owe to them so i mean it's 1361 again not insignificant but what happened with them is i didn't see when i was signing up for my scholarships that if i failed a class i would have to owe them back come on why'd you fail a class um we already know you weren't doing anything actually why did i fail a class i think i was around if i'm being honest oh shocker who'd have thought yeah probably that that makes sense i think i was around a little bit i think no actually i was working at target and i was trying to i was putting more effort into target than school that's what was happening and i would miss my class time because i would try to work so why haven't you paid this because guess what it's been almost two years no that just started showing up on mine i like i'm just now started getting calls for it or calls for it being closed but i think it's not it's not new though you've owed it since 2023 it says yeah because they started what they did is they called me when i was still in my old apartment and when in 2023 so it was like probably so why my question then stands why not pay because i didn't have a job at that point because i i what happened is i didn't get my full-time job that i'm at right now until february of the year why did you have a job because i was the quote unquote homemaker and quote unquote I was still going in the relationship yes he wouldn't let you work he I wouldn't allow he was wanted to make my life better he wanted me to like because I he wanted trad okay yeah but I'm not a trad person sure why didn't you say that people pleaser I guess it's just I really really wanted to be something well did you guys talk about it though yes because that's what I'm curious I don't mean like why don't you say if he won't meet you I'm just like you did talk about he's like no we talked about it and we decided it would be better if i decided yeah it so you did we did talk about it yes and you agreed yes i am okay i'm a pushover when it comes to that did you agree though i know in my heart no because i know that i wouldn't be happy as a triad i would not because i like to be with people and i like to go out and i like to create things and stuff like that all right grand canyon it's 1361 that was probably how long have you had a job now uh february oh why haven't we paid it since then because I've been paying off other things.
55:32I haven't been going out to eat. Come on, come on, come on. Look at the clothes. Even in October, August, when I was looking at your statements, every day was just shoving food down your throat. What do you mean? Honestly, I kind of forgot about the Grand Canyon scholarship. There it is. It's an actual. Stop trying to make excuses. Upstart. So that was also a, it's supposed to be a student loan. um i used it to go to uh community college so what happened is i did this program um this is oh wait okay i did a program where they told me to stop paying everything and then they would um oh no and and they sometimes oh yeah okay what sorry and they would take care of it and deal with the the uh thing whatever and then my mother said to not do that and uh said i should pull out of that so then i started um okay sure yeah so i started that's why there's a dip in my credit report because it went i was in the 400s well but you didn't deal with it no because i let them deal with it and then you didn't you pulled out of it so why don't you then deal with it um because i don't have that money right now because it's it's a lot of little things little things add up yeah but this has been for four years well because no i was making the payments on that one for for a little bit i was making the pain well that's 4228 owed yeah t-mobile for sake that one was supposed to be closed because that one wasn't me that one was supposed to get it's on your credit dude well no i did the dispute the thing in credit karma where you can dispute it i did it for that and they i guess it's back on so i guess i need to figure out what's going on but that was like you failed the dispute probably so i need to call them and figure it sounds like you were likely on it i mean when you signed up for the service with this other person you were probably on it which means you were owed it i mean you don't get to get out of it just because of that because of emotions that's not how this works that's not how this is ever gonna work if you signed up for something you get it still but i didn't think i actually consequences okay but you do but i didn't think i did i i honestly okay but you do i'm confused that doesn't i didn't you know you do i know i do but i just i didn't honestly i didn't think it came back i thought i got rid of it okay well only 364 there again actually i think that's the one i no i paid i paid off a different one because i did have a collection i should probably don't have that okay i paid off one collection i don't have it because i paid it off okay okay okay and then we have federal student loans this brings you closer to that average so federal i have been paying on time so what i do is i get bonuses from work and everything like that so i put that because out of sign out of mine for me i put all my bonuses a month yeah i put all of my bonuses in a separate savings account and this auto drafts from that account so that way i know it gets made yeah you can make 82 dollars a month you can make your 300 a month one as well you actually budget so okay i mean sure i guess i can give you a high five for an 82 a month payment uh okay i'm glad you are paying on don't get me wrong they would have actually like probably deferred you without interest accruing So what I should have done is deferred.
58:43No, you shouldn't have deferred any. You should have cut back in your wants. 2.5 % of, shut the fuck up. 2.5 % interest, 4.7 % on the highest one. So none of them are desperate to pay off early student loans. I have minimum payment until those are paid off specifically. Oh, never mind. I think I have another collections. 364 through T-Mobile. I already looked at that. I can't remember if that's the one I paid off or I paid off a different one. Because there was two collections and I paid off one collection. Okay, well, we'll pretend like you didn't since I don't have another one anyway. Is that it?
59:14No other debts I think that's it Cause it's just my My credit cards My student loans And then Can I check credit karma? Is that okay? Oh yeah Check it Have a little Cause I think that is I think honest to god that's it Cause I couldn't get into my My credit karma I'm being honest For a second please I don't know what I'm supposed to do if you're not Cause I think You keep looking We ended with 152 dollars On our Discovered Checking account for f***s sake. It's better than being f***s sake. Sure, it is better than being negative. But for f***s sake, that's scary because that leads us to being negative.
59:50I mean, we started with$30. Oh, because this last month was rough. This last month. Why? It was your good earning month. No, because I had to pay. No, because I had to pay for car insurance. I prepaid for car insurance. Oh, okay, listen. And I think most people should. But even if you pay a little more to make it more affordable for you in the moment so you don't go negative. Maybe it makes sense for a quarter to do. Monthly? For a moment. Like if it literally puts you on the edge of not having money, you don't push yourself. To save a few bucks, which I want you to do, you don't push yourself to the edge of overdrafting.
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1:02:51people like you i don't know steam purchase ten dollars amazon paypal paypal winning and got your special little monster amazon paid for discord nitro amazon paypal out more discord purchase there valve sushi neko amazon paypal and out amazon mcdonald's etsy dutch bro qt hundred dollars gosh dude chipotle white ron mcdonald's queen something it's a restaurant steam purchase Shushin Echo Went inside got some bull Went inside got some bull Lots of PayPal transfers Do I have your PayPal account? I don't think I called out Yeah I want to see it There's so much money going back and forth in your PayPal Of course I want to see it Come on Why would I want to see that?
1:03:40In what world would I not want to see another statement If we're looking through your statements? Come on A lot of it is for Twitch Screen record for us Screen record What were you saying? A lot of it's for Twitch A lot of it Great so even more money is spent on Twitch You've what? You're doubling what comes in from Twitch? No, no, no. Even in your good months? Come on. A lot of the stuff that you're seeing from poll is from, like, I pull from my bank account. I don't have a bank account for PayPal. When we make a budget, what do we – how much do I put in for Twitch? You know? Not for income. For spending because you spend an insane, stupid amount of money.
1:04:13Yeah, paying, paying for people, paying for people, paying for people. Commission, commission. Humble Bumble. Blossom Stream. That thing. Valve. It says more going out to eat in the Microsoft subscription. It says more. Oh, I got to cancel that. McDonald's. I got to cancel that. McDonald's. Come on. More going out to eat. More McDonald's and Twitch and Twitch. Gosh, I wish I could eat McDonald's every day and lose weight. More Twitch. More Twitch. More Twitch. McDonald's. Etsy. Twitch. Twitch. Video games. Discord. Paying people. I'll make sure we're blocking out their name. You paid for stickers$240.
1:04:50I pay that person a lot of money Yeah you do and you don't make enough to do it And you have high interest student loans that are going to hold you back Remember what we just talked about If you don't pay it Where those student loans go Remember that? Remember the little conversation? I think I do How about you do that instead of paying for stupid stickers Put up your Amazon while you're at it Don't stop the screen recording we'll keep going There's so many Amazon purchases Oh for f*** sake there's even more purchases There's another check and count End me i do appreciate you coming on the show i know i'm hard but come on i gotta call you out for your bulls i mean it's so stupid the way you're with the twitch stuff it's so stupid oh for f**k sake okay so a lot oh good we have a harmonica guys life saving that's that's that's for a twitch thing that i did stop you're spending more on twitch than you make and it doesn't make sense because you have student loans that you can't pay off that are at 14 are going to ruin your life okay usbc stuff 50 sheets of heavyweight white cardstock ideal for something some cat litter stuff dish drying electric shock collar only use the buzz i it's on my vibrate it's on my thigh so it doesn't i can use shock on my thigh it's a kink thing what no it was for twitch it was it was a stream thing yeah i was gonna say if you're using it for dogs only do the beep and vibrate but i don't like the shock shock no i don't either it felt my thigh actually got another one no this is a heart rate monitor yeah okay you have a heart high right so those two record you don't need to be doing record stuff right now come on i do have good i know you don't need to be doing but macbook pro come on i didn't buy that that is oh that's a recommended thing yes no i don't have money a lot of those purchases are stupid you can end the screen recording okay and then again in here we have more discord for f***ing sake that was the nitro all those other ones were extra what are you doing on discord no they should all be nitro no they are nitro 100 i will back myself up fine tropical smoothie amazon amazon then we out ten dollars you've been so much money too popeising more canva for f***ing sake well canva is how i I make all the cool shit.
1:07:01I know, but you spend more than you make. Again, we've been through this and we know where your student loans go, so I don't give a f***. Whataburger. Huh? Nothing. Continue. Go. Don't f*** me. Don't. Come on. Zelle. ATM at all,$40. Zelle out,$782. What? That's rent. So what I do is I give my roommate the money. Dark Crystal,$85. That is, yeah. Zelle ain't out. Chick-fil-A. subway went inside got a monster the f*** is a dark crystal i think that was when i uh went to do the con thing and i bought cool things oh my f*** you didn't get paid for it and you spent money and you went got come on guy come on come on and then this next checking account $212 in there zelling out money and just transfers it was simple what was that original checking account how have you not had an overdraft fee i am so surprised you bring yourself so dangerously low it's crazy it's 100 dangerously low yes if any payment hits or any emergency happens are you kidding me then in uh your savings account 171 retirement's 1400 okay so we're definitely behind on a lot of things i thought i was ahead on my on my 401k for my age yeah no no well probably compared to like the median but in terms of where you should be no where should i should be because i feel like 23 you want to essentially be on track to have one times your income by 30 and at this point you're not on track to hit that i would i would probably guess what's one track of my income what's your total annual income great question come on come on i think it's like i think i calculated it i think i'll calculate it How about that?
1:08:49$1 ,850. $1 ,850 times 9 hours, 40 hours a week. 40 hours a week. $38 ,000. You just have about 40 ,000 hours in retirement. That$1 ,500 does not double enough to be able to hit. 40 ,000 hours, so no, you're behind. I do 5%, and then my company matches 5%. Well, 10 % is not going to be enough to get you to retirement. You want about 20. Okay. It's okay to start little when you're, it's okay to have a smaller balance when you're first getting started, But to think you are on the right track, you are not in terms of having enough. I feel like since I started in February, I feel like it's good for starting in February.
1:09:27For starting in February, okay. But again, I just don't want you to think that it is enough. How much would be enough? By getting into$40 ,000 by the time you're 30. So whatever gets you on track to get that. Well, then how am I going to afford that in a house too? Oh, you got to start making sacrifices. But we need to be able to have enough money to live. You can get house poor. House poor is when you have a house, but you just can't afford to live there and can't afford to retire at any point. That's more dangerous. I would rather you have retirement and rent in terms of just life security by being able to take advantage of compound growth in the overall market.
1:09:58Listen, I'll sit you down to talk about this in your retirement stuff with a domain money financial advisor. They're my financial advisors. I like them. Everyone in the audience gets a free session with them. If you guys want, I highly recommend it. They're really smart. You get a free session as well. We'll get you connected with them. They can talk that retirement stuff with you, okay? Okay. We need to get you to manage your budget or else you won't have enough money to retire. It's as simple as that. So let's do the budget. What do you think hits your account on a monthly basis? Payroll deposit at$3 ,000.
1:10:27Does that sound about right? Yes, because that just got – it's a little less. It's typically about$28 ,000 because I got an influx paycheck recently where my last paycheck was$1 ,500. $28 ,000 and then I'm going to add$500 for Twitch. Okay? Yeah? Yeah. Yeah? Is that going to be manageable? Are you going to be continuing to do that? Yes, because$5 ,000. $3 ,300. But how much money are we spending on Twitch? What am I putting aside for Twitch? A lot since I have two trips to California. Come on. I have two trips to California planned. Oh, for fuck's sake. What? I have to go to TwitchCon. Have to.
1:11:00Yes. Well, according to my manager, I have to. You have a manager? I do, yes. Come on. Manager who? Who? A Twitch manager? Yeah, a Twitch manager. Okay. Well, of course he wants you to go to TwitchCon. It's his fucking job. Yeah. Because I have to go to TwitchCon in order to like Provel myself forward because if I don't go to TwitchCon You have to. Yes because that's where all the partnerships Are. That's in order how I move up to the next Sponsorships? Yeah sponsorships. Get an Actual manager or a real person who Will go advocate for you for sponsorships And get you sponsorships. But I don't have the money To do that.
1:11:30No they take a cut They take a cut? Yeah they take a cut They take like 25 % But if Then I lose more? Or is that? No they go get you sponsorships and whatever they bring you, they get 25%. How much is this trip to TwitchCon? It's going to be like... How much? It's going to be like 3K. 2K, 3K. I mean, you objectively can't afford that. You can't. But then also, then I have another one too. So I have like... What's your other one? That one's in June. That one's called... What is it? It's called OffKai. That one is like a VTuber only convention. Okay, don't go to that one. Okay. Don't go to that one.
1:12:06But that one's just for VTubers and that one has a lot of like... it has more opportunity for VTuber growth. Why are you doing this? Come on. We are so close to the end, man. We are so close. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? We are so close. But it's just in the budget so that way we can like. It's not in the budget. It's for next year. Hey, hey, hey. Okay, we'll see how much money is left over. But I doubt if you're going to get at some point, you're going to get to some damn point. Listen, it's probably not going to. This is such a stupid thing to bring it to the end. You know you can't afford this.
1:12:41Is this funny? No, this is not funny. Then why the f*** are you laughing? Because like you said earlier. I'm trying to figure your s*** out. Buddy, how much do I need to set aside on a monthly basis? You were spending money on Twitch stuff. On Twitch f***ing stuff. So how much money do I set? You know what? This is what I'll do. This is what I'll do. Whatever money you bring in from Twitch, you can spend that on Twitch. But you cannot spend any more. because right now you're spending double, okay? Okay. Okay, so$2 ,800 is your f***ing income, all right? That's what it is for f***ing sake. Your portion of rent and utilities altogether is$1 ,050, right?
1:13:19Yes. Is that including internet? No. What is internet for you? $50. Car insurance? It is about$200 a month since I prepay it, so I'm prepaid until six months from now. so but i should put aside money so it's gonna be 200 a month we don't know since we're switching providers since it was outrageous phone bill uh i don't pay for my phone now parents yeah okay gas vroom vroom drive drive that is about 200 a month give or take tp fun anything else you need to survive it's gonna be a hundred dollars food you're gonna meal prep cook a couple times a week and refrigerate$300. Do you have any pets? My mom pays for them.
1:14:04Including pet insurance? Yes. She has everything for that because she knows that I need them but I can't afford them. Medical healthcare. Mom. Everything. Yeah. Because I'm under her plan. So to be clear, you're very still much dependent on someone. I pay for co-pay. You said, okay, how much on a monthly basis? So I pay$50 because I go see my therapist twice a week or twice a month. So$50 a month? Yeah. That's cheap. Okay, so So to be clear, you are still dependent on someone. You said you didn't want to be and you refused to allow people to pay your meal. But you're very much still dependent on someone hearing all this.
1:14:36Health care, it's just because she has a better plan. No, and I get that. But again, with her paying for it, you're not even reimbursing her because she's getting money taken out before her pay hits. You're still dependent on people. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing. But based on what you were saying earlier. Yes and no, it doesn't hit because she still pays for the same because she has two other kids. So it's me. No, that's fine. I'm just saying you said you refused to be dependent on anyone earlier, but you are very much dependent on her for multiple bills. Yeah, but I feel like if I was less dependent, I think it would I don't think I would have the money for trying to pay off anything else.
1:15:11No, I again, I don't necessarily disagree with that. I'm just saying based on what you said earlier of refusing to be dependent on anyone else. But that is not true. You are to an extent to an extent. Yes, of course. But your pets, your phone bill, your health care. Come on. Anything else that needs to be in your budget that we don't have? This is pretty damn minimal. Just gas. Food we got. Gas is there. Food is there. Is there a gym? No, I have a home gym. And then I would like a trinket budget. If you're a trinket, I'm going to. I want to. What is a trinket? I still don't even know. What are you doing?
1:15:52Because I've never heard. Or is this the new sweet treat? What is a trinket? A trinket, it's like a little thing that you can just have like this. So this is a trinket. Why don't you use your trinkets? This is a trinket I already had. I don't need to buy a new trinket. I have this trinket. Because I like shiny new things. Yeah, shiny new things. Your shiny new thing is being debt free. It'll be awesome. But I like this. Oh, I get it. You are a child. You are a 23-year-old baby. I am. But I just want. That's not funny. It's not cute. But I need a trinket. I just. Okay, just 25 bucks. 25 bucks. 25 bucks I can't I'll put 25 but I feel like I'm just giving you an excuse to spend money and you're gonna go over it this is so stupid shut the f*** up that's the dumbest thing I'm upset I even agreed to that cause I feel like I'm just allowing you to be bad allowing you to refuse to sacrifice I mean I'm already sacrificing food I'm sacrificing with food oh my gosh oh no so i'm sorry you have an extra thousand hours a month okay you have an extra thousand hours a month listen if you want to start paying off that quote you got to pick twitchcon or paying off that quicker how quicker would it be when's twitchcon when you need to pay for it um twitchcon's in october so i was gonna do a don't-a-thon in um if they put if they pay for it you can go okay because i'm saying you can spend what you make your twitch money on twitch stuff can I budget like a thousand if possible you're taking away a month of progress fine sure you can but that is a month of progress you are losing and that you have to be willing to accept can I wait until closer of course but that payoff is going to be by then okay again all of your debt together is$47 ,000 so we know that that takes about 47 months that's not that bad actually no it's not that bad but twitch con is before then a couple twitch cons yeah it's four years so that's gonna set me back a lot but if if the that's if you do four twitch cons and you pay more out of pocket than your twitch people pay you then yes it will it's stupid listen i definitely get it i definitely get it but guess what i've done pretty good on youtube i've never gone to a youtube con of any kind well then you need but you need partnerships So I don't know how you understand that.
1:18:10I think. Yeah. You need someone that goes and shops partnerships for you. They bring it back to you. You have to see if it vibes with your morals, vibes with what you want to do. You probably turn down the majority of them like we do. And then at that point, you just accept them and then they get a little cut. It's an agency. So then I need an agency then. So that way I can stop spending so much money on stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Reach out to some agencies. Okay. Okay. Try that. if your entire region of going there is getting partnerships try that it is it is my entire then try that first you have until october but even four years i don't think it should be four years i really think i get you wanting to do this thing but the fact that you're doing 40 hours a week is your job and then 40 hours a week on twitch you could be making so much more progress if 20 of that extra 40 hours a week was at a second job actually bringing in real money and at that point you know that would probably bring in an extra thousand bucks in that after taxes minimum so So you do that.
1:19:05Wonderful. And at that point, that doubles your debt payoff journey from four years to two years. Because you're also going four years without a fully funded emergency fund, which is absolutely scary. Yeah. Because my car has like I've had. Exactly. So if we incorporate that into it, that's an extra 10 ,000 hours. Now we're at a five-year payoff zone. Why not get that to two and a half by using 40 hours that you're doing Twitch and doing 20 for another channel? I know what you want to do, but what matters more, the Twitch or being debt-free with an emergency fund and being able to survive? Give me the honest answer.
1:19:36Honestly, Twitch. I know it's selfish. I know it's selfish, but I would rather... Listen, that's your answer. That's your choice. That's how you're doing it. I get it. That's fine. But you're setting yourself up for a much harder, longer, stressful life. You really are? Whatever. Spending in a budget. You overspent. Zero out of ten. Wait, did you? I think you did. I'm pretty sure you did. Let's see. Spending. Oh, guys, we didn't even... We didn't even talk about this. Yep. Oh, wait. There. Yeah. Wait. Okay. There's confusion. $1 ,000. You made 4 ,000. You spent 5 ,776. How did I spend that much?
1:20:14What did I? What was the, what was the highest one? We went through a lot of spending, but that was your categories are insane. You had a lot of large purchase Twitch spending categories. Yeah. Okay. So you definitely overspent the debt. You have collections. You're out of 10 emergency fund. We have nothing. I'll give you a one out of 10 for just starting retirement. You're about a two out of 10 real estate. Obviously zero out of 10. Let's see if you at least got to a one. I don't think so. Did you round it up? Barely, barely rounded up because you're at a point zero six. So rounded up hammer financial score.
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1:21:12When I was in the hole hole. What's the hole hole? When I was still with the s*** ex-boyfriend. And you have the payday loan. I am in collections and they called me for it. They're hunting down the payday loan you got. How much is owed on this f***ing payday loan? Caleb, I need you to take a big breath. F*** dollars. To watch the financial audit post show, click the join button below. Hi, how you doing? Hey, how are you? Good. We got a lovely little cameraman right here. I know we already got your consent on everything for all the fun little lovelies, but we made a wild thumbnail as we kind of talked about in the post show and stuff.
1:21:48I'm so excited. We just want to get your eyes on it and just get that extra little consent from you for happiness because it's a wild one compared to normal. I'm ready. You ready? Yeah. Here we go. What do you think? I love it. I love it so much. Oh, my God. This is great. All right. Well, your video is going out tomorrow. Are you excited? I'm so excited. I'm so excited. This is great. Oh, my God. Just probably don't read the comment section. It's always a suggestion because people are crazy online. No. I'm going to send it to one of my mods and he's going to read it and make sure everything's all good for like, um, which we call it doxing purposes.
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