In short
How to eat healthier when you’re busy and broke by cutting grocery costs, reducing food waste, and using “systems” (ingredient prep, meal planning, pantry-first shopping) instead of willpower.
Guest
Carleigh Bodrug, CEO/founder of PlantU; New York Times bestselling author and self-taught plant-based home cook. She’s a return guest on Financial Feminist and released the cookbook Quickies.
Key claims
- People don’t have a motivation problem; they have a time problem, so convenience foods win when you’re maxed out.
- Meal prep should be “ingredient prep” to remove friction at 5–6pm.
- Frozen produce is often fresher than “fresh” after shipping; cut-up fruit/veg can be worth the extra cost if it prevents waste.
- Shop your fridge/pantry first; plan meals on paper; aim for 70–80% consistency, not perfection.
- Cooking is a teachable skill; use low-stakes methods and routines.
Notable examples
- Reusing broccoli stems, radish tops, beet greens; freezing veggie scraps to make broth.
- Using aquafaba (chickpea liquid) for foaming/baking; chickpea-based “egg” replacements.
- “Dump and bake” and ramen/curry shortcuts; frozen edamame and ground garlic.
- “Safer sanity suppers”: upgrade taco kits/mac-and-cheese with tofu + seasoning.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOChallenges of Healthy Eating
2:20 to 4:19
Understand why convenience foods dominate when life gets busy and tips to combat this.
“I think everyone has good intentions about eating well, and then shit hits the fan.”
Meal Prep Strategies for Busy Lives
4:19 to 7:27
Learn effective meal prep strategies to simplify healthy eating during busy schedules.
“were on the show and that I love following you for is meal prep.”
Budget-Friendly Grocery Shopping Tips
7:27 to 11:01
Explore practical tips for grocery shopping while staying healthy on a budget.
“So that's means it's at peak freshness where I'm in Canada, you know, that food is usually traveling for several days if it's fresh.”
Gardening for Savings and Flavor
11:01 to 12:39
Discover the benefits of growing your own herbs and vegetables to save money and enhance meals.
“One of the things since I bought my house last year is I have a garden.”
The Psychology of Food Choices
14:39 to 16:27
Explore how planning and values impact our eating habits.
“Subject to approval and eligibility, built cards are issued by Column NA member FDIC pursuant to license from MasterCard International Incorporated.”
Cooking as an Investment
16:27 to 21:36
Understand the long-term benefits of prioritizing home cooking.
“And I think it's a lot to do with value systems.”
Building a Cooking System
21:37 to 22:39
Learn how to create a meal prep system to simplify cooking.
“I mean, all of what we're talking about here is it's, you know, you have to put your oxygen mask on first before helping others.”
The Psychology of Food Choices
22:39 to 26:09
Explore how planning and values impact our eating habits.
“And this is no different when we're talking about cooking and meal planning.”
Social Cooking and Budgeting
26:18 to 28:00
Discuss how cooking at home can enhance social experiences.
“It's just like if we can have that same experience of, you know, being with the people that we love and being social, but in our own homes, I think it's just, it's something that I still do with friends.”
Cooking at Home vs Eating Out
28:00 to 29:00
Learn the benefits of sharing meals at home instead of dining out.
“I'm hoping we are going to have a resurgence of just what you said.”
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Inspiration for Quick Meals
29:00 to 30:11
Discover the personal story behind writing a quick recipe book during tough times.
“And you wrote it, of course, during one of the busiest times, I think, of your whole life.”
The Importance of Quick and Healthy Meals
30:11 to 32:54
Understand the structure and purpose behind the quick recipes in the book.
“And we decided when we were recipe testing for this book that we were going to time everything because I did not want to put out a recipe book, you know, that was like, this is a 20 minute recipe.”
The Importance of Quick and Healthy Meals
32:57 to 33:14
Understand the structure and purpose behind the quick recipes in the book.
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Recipe Hacks for Quick Cooking
34:19 to 36:24
Learn tips for speeding up meal preparation with efficient cooking methods.
“So we have a whole chapter dedicated to this in the book and it's called dump and bake, not dump dinners.”
Boosting Nutrition in Convenience Meals
36:24 to 38:11
Discover how to enhance store-bought meals for better nutrition on a budget.
“I mean, I do this so much and it's helped my life.”
Realistic Cooking Habits
38:11 to 40:04
Understand how to set realistic cooking expectations and maintain consistency.
“I think one of the reasons that first that I love following you and love your content, but that this first episode you came on and did was such a success is that I think you take a very practical view of food.”
The Joy of Cooking at Home
40:04 to 41:56
Learn how to find joy in cooking by creating a repertoire of staple meals.
“And I think you have to have those kinds of fail safes for when it is just like, I do not have a second tonight.”
The Joy of Cooking at Home
42:51 to 43:34
Learn how to find joy in cooking by creating a repertoire of staple meals.
“I make a lot of decisions in my everyday life.”
The Joy of Cooking at Home
43:40 to 43:53
Learn how to find joy in cooking by creating a repertoire of staple meals.
“That's Q-U-I N-C-E dot com slash F-F pod.”
Mindfulness Around Food Waste
43:53 to 45:06
Strategies to reduce food waste and save money on groceries.
“I can't talk to you without talking about food waste and thinking more strategically about reusing food.”
Utilizing Food Scraps
45:06 to 46:19
How to use vegetable scraps and leftovers creatively.
“If you're a single person, you know, we all buy that well-intentioned box of spinach and then it's kind of sitting in the back of the fridge, looking at us like eat me.”
Cooking with Confidence
46:19 to 47:21
Building confidence in cooking and embracing plant-based meals.
“I want to, I want to be the person who makes like my beans every week, but I am not.”
Learning Cooking as a Skill
47:21 to 48:49
View cooking and financial literacy as teachable skills.
“add your onion tops, your garlic peels, your carrot greens or the end of the carrot and do just what you said.”
Quick Cooking Tips
48:49 to 51:56
Rapid-fire cooking tips for quick meals and ingredient hacks.
“So say you have, you know, a roasted red pepper pasta or something, you get out all of those components before you actually make the dish.”
Empowerment Through Cooking
51:56 to 56:00
Encouraging listeners to believe in their cooking abilities and explore new recipes.
“Speaking of that, do you want to do a speed round really quick?”
Cooking as a Skill for Busy Lives
56:00 to 57:02
Learn how to incorporate cooking into your busy schedule to nourish your body.
“You're going to learn a wonderful new skill.”
Cooking as a Skill for Busy Lives
57:34 to 57:55
Learn how to incorporate cooking into your busy schedule to nourish your body.
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Financial Feminist Host:We know that spending money on groceries is at an all-time high, so we're doing something about it today. Today's guest is Carleigh Bodrug, and she is a returner guest to Financial Feminist. She's the CEO and founder of PlantU, a number one New York Times bestselling author and a self-taught plant-based home cook. She has a brand new cookbook out called Quickies, and we're talking today about how to actually save money on your grocery bill, about how to cook more at home in a way that doesn't make you want to die, and more broadly, how to save money on one of the biggest line items on people's budgets right now, food.
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2:19Financial Feminist Host:We're so excited to have you back on the show. I think everyone has good intentions about eating well, and then shit hits the fan. So what actually happens to healthy habits when a person's just maxed out? I'm a big believer that people don't have a motivation problem. They have a time problem. So when we are maxed out, one of the first things to fall to the wayside is healthy eating. And we opt for convenience foods. And unfortunately that's like a funnel down because when we opt for convenience foods, we're usually spending more money, we're eating worse, and then we're just in a vicious cycle of not feeling great.
2:54Our bank account is hurting and you know the deal. So I'm a big advocate for, you know, replacing that with healthier habits, quicker meals and delicious food.
3:05Financial Feminist Host:When you're exhausted, I think healthy and cheap both lose to quick or fast. Why does the convenience option always seem to win at 6pm? You know, I just became a mom in the past year. And I think prior to being, oh, thank you. Prior to being pregnant, to be honest, because pregnancy is a doozy for anyone listening. If you've been pregnant, you know. So prior to that, I don't think I really had the full understanding of picture of what that meant to be maxed out and really needing convenience foods as opposed to a healthy meal. And unfortunately, what happens is when you spend your whole day working, you're a busy person and you're filling up everybody else's cup, that is just the easiest thing at 6pm to say, Uber Eats, drive through, can I just pop a meal from my freezer into the microwave?
4:00And listen, no shame. I still do that on some hard days. But my whole goal with Plant U in general is to give people tools so that the majority of the time they can get something decent on the table that's going to make them feel good and also save money.
4:18Financial Feminist Host:One of the things we talked about last time you were on the show and that I love following you for is meal prep. And I know everyone who's on the internet has seen content about meal prep, but why do you think it's so effective for people? I think when we talk about meal prep, often the image that comes to mind is all of these plastic Tupperware containers that have the same meal that you need to eat Monday to Friday, breakfast, lunch, and dinner, like overnight oats for breakfast, some sort of pasta for lunch and curry for dinner. And you're eating that all five days. I think we reframe it to meal prep being ingredient prep.
4:55We can go a long way and it can be incredibly impactful. So what I suggest to people, if you're new to the concept of meal prep is when you get your groceries home after, say you grocery shop on a Sunday, take, you know, 20 minutes to cut up your bell peppers, to maybe make a pot of quinoa and maybe whip up a sauce in a blender and see how those can serve you for multiple meals throughout the week. And what that's going to do is we're all about relieving the boundaries to making the healthy meal at the end of the night. So if you already, you know, have your quinoa prepped, maybe you prepped some grated tofu, or if you're not vegan, maybe you marinated some chicken.
5:40If that's already done at that, you know, that 5, 6 PM, you've already relieved that boundary to getting from A to B.
5:49Financial Feminist Host:I think about that a lot because, um, I'm sure we discussed this last time too. I am sometimes guilty of buying food and then it sits in the back of the fridge and it ends up going to waste. And I'm like, why did I buy my$5 strawberries just to like throw them in the trash or like the clamshell of spinach. And there is something psychologically about like, if it's washed and cut, I will eat it. If it is not washed and it's not cut and it's not prepped, I will not eat it. And I think I can speak to everybody listening where that is a common thing. It's like, it's the same way if I go to the grocery store and they've already like cut the watermelon for me, I will buy the cut watermelon before I'll buy a huge watermelon that I have to cut myself.
6:29Financial Feminist Host:So talk to me about like just those little switches. This is what you're saying here. You are certainly not alone. And I think so often, even as moms, like I think trying to get dinner on the table is so difficult. I think we beat ourselves up. Like you're talking about the watermelon being pre-cut from the grocery store and that kind of relieves a boundary for you. You're actually going to eat it. Well, there's nothing wrong with purchasing that if you're actually going to eat it. Because the reality is, as Americans, we toss up to 40 % of the food that we buy. So if you put that, I mean, we're on a financial podcast.
7:05We all know grocery bills are just crazy these days. If you just actually put that into perspective and think about if you're actually going to eat the food that you buy, how much money you would save. But on top of that, a couple of other ways that we can relieve those boundaries to eating healthier and actually eating the food you buy is I am a huge fan of frozen vegetables and fruit. So people often think of frozen vegetables and fruit as not as healthy as the fresh stuff, but it couldn't be further from the truth because usually when food is frozen, especially fruits and vegetables, it's harvested and then it's frozen right away.
7:41So that's means it's at peak freshness where I'm in Canada, you know, that food is usually traveling for several days if it's fresh. So by the time you get it, It's been sitting there decomposing in a way for several days. So frozen is fabulous in that way and usually easier to prep. We just made a noodle dish before this where we added some frozen edamame. It took, you know, two minutes. We didn't have to shell edamame to get there. So I don't think that there is anything wrong with relying on convenience foods if that is what's going to get you to eat healthier. And if you think about it from a financial perspective, yes, that cut up watermelon, you know, it might be a couple dollars more.
8:23However, it's better than buying the watermelon that is uncut and throwing it away.
8:28Financial Feminist Host:You just said the thing that I feel like we have to talk about, which is as much as I love cooking at home, I'm even seeing content where sometimes restaurants are cheaper at this point because groceries are so expensive. Now, I do think groceries are cheaper than restaurants still 100 percent. But how can someone walk through the grocery store and on a budget actually still eat healthy and also reflect their financial needs at a time where, you know, one egg is like$14? So the cheapest food is going to be the food you already have at home. And you should be shopping your fridge and pantry before you ever head to the grocery store.
9:10Financial Feminist Host:So important. The way it works for me and before I implemented this system in my household, man, I would go to the grocery store every week and I would come home with a bag of oats every week with like four others half eaten in my pantry. So not claiming I am some perfect grocery shopper here. However, if you go into your pantry and you go into your fridge and you make a list of what you already got, that's a great base starting point. That's basically the free food starting point for your shopping list. And then try and annotate meals from there and then fill them in with what you're going to get from the grocery store.
9:47Of course, there's tips for saving on your grocery bill. You can shop coupons, in-season food, especially if you live in a warmer climate, shopping something like a farmer's market can often be a way to save money. Shopping the outer aisles of the grocery store. I mean, like you said, eggs are crazy. I've heard meat prices are crazy, but shopping those sales, I think, can really drive it down. And then we want to look at pantry staples. Things like beans, lentils, oats, rice. These are really great cornerstones of a healthy diet that are often really cheap. And if you kind of think to yourself, okay, maybe you have a Costco membership, although every time I walk into Costco, somehow the bill is like$800.
10:28So I don't know if this is a money-saving tip. Oh, because we bought a wakeboard that I didn't need.
10:33Financial Feminist Host:That's all it. It's like, I bought, I bought something crazy that I was like, oh, I need this thing. Yeah. Every time, every time I was in there last week and I bought a black stone and I was like, oh yeah, I was coming in here for, I think it was a strawberries and you know, and I need a $400 later. Yes, exactly. So, so maybe avoid Costco, but if you buy bulk, um, think about stocking your pantry with these staples because it's going to help you of course, reduce the cost for those things that you are kind of eating every week. Yeah. One of the things since I bought my house last year is I have a garden.
11:07Financial Feminist Host:Now I have a big garden, but for people at home, like the fact that I just, you can get a basil plant and that's actually cheaper than buying the basil in the little, like, you know, the clamshell. And I literally, well, before I came on with you, I went and watered my basil today and they are the four like biggest plants you've ever seen. and instead of buying herbs every time or instead of like getting bored with my meals, it's like, okay, if I toss some fresh herbs in something that I've already made, it just tastes better. I'm more likely to eat it. And also then I'm not spending a ton of money.
11:38Financial Feminist Host:So you can also think about like, what can I just grow on my countertop or what can I grow on my balcony if you have like a tiny outdoor space? And I think even those small things, one, save you money, but two, if you put them in your food, you're more likely to eat them. I love that. We just started raised beds this year. Everybody assumes I'm like some crazy gardener because plant you, I guess, and I eat plant-based, but we just started gardening this year and I just put seeds in the soil and I'm like, okay, let's see what happens. We've got beets, carrots, cilantro, kale. I have so much that I can't even keep up.
12:13So if you're intimidated by gardening, I would say grab some seeds from the store. They're very affordable, put them in soil and see what happens because you can get a a lot of vegetables. And just to your point, amping up a meal with like something like cilantro or dill and maybe a drizzle of olive oil can take that from being kind of something that feels like, oh, I don't really want to eat this to something you're more excited about. And it's more kind of restaurant quality.
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14:52Financial Feminist Host:So we were talking about this default to takeout or this default to I'm so tired, I'm so burned out. And I want to like delve into a bit of the psychology around that even more because one of the things that I've realized in working with people around money is a lot of the things that get bought out of convenience, whether that's food or the water bottle or whatever, is it's just, you probably haven't planned your day, right? Like you probably haven't sat down and actually looked at like, what do I need today? And so you end up just grabbing the easy thing. And even deeper, it tells me that there's something going on.
15:32Financial Feminist Host:There's an avoidance happening there. I think a lot of these things you can relate back to realizing like they're somehow dysregulated or you're somehow not actually looking at your life holistically. And I think again of like, when I go to the airport, like I always have my water bottle because if not, I'm buying my$6 water at the airport. And I think the equivalent of that is the, I get to the end of the day, I'm so tired. I'm so burned out that I'm just going to buy food when really it might be you're really miserable at your job or you are, of course, struggling with money the way so many people are.
16:10Financial Feminist Host:So how can we think more holistically about the food that we eat and the way we eat it actually both benefiting our life, but also helping us kind of get in that routine or re-regulate ourselves? Does that make sense? It makes perfect sense. And I think it's a lot to do with value systems. So I like to think of cooking at home is one of the greatest investments you can make for your life. And let me tell you why. We don't often think of it that way though. So that's the problem. If you're not thinking of cooking as something high on your value system, then it's going to fall to this wayside. But why it is so important is because the food that we eat is integral to our health.
16:56And you see these kind of Instagram reels that come up. And I don't know why this is coming to mind, but it's often like, if you have a child and you're not going to try and be healthy, if you're pouring all of your yourself into that child later down the line, they might not have, you know, a healthy parent. So if you are making an investment in your health by cooking at home and feeding yourself a healthy diet, it is going to pay off in the long run. We hope, you know, things happen. But so that's number one, doing an assessment of your life and seeing what your values are. Now, there are people out there, if you have all the funds in the world and you can have a private chef or you can have meal prep done, I think that that's awesome too.
17:41But eating at home is going to take you really far. Number two, I think that everybody needs to slow down. We're go, go, go, go, go. And if you just took even, you know, 15 minutes on the Sunday or the day off, and you don't need anything fancy for this, you do not need an app. You do not need a special fancy journal. You just need a piece of paper and you write down, you know, Monday to Friday, breakfast, lunch, and dinner. And we just took the time to plan out what we actually want to eat for the week, leaving some flexibility, because we all know that the drive-through is going to call one of those nights and you know, you might end up going for brunch with your friends.
18:22You need to leave some fun in there, but actually take the time to plan. I think that goes so far because they say, you know, a body in motion stays in motion. So if you've planned, then you're going to stick to it and then feel better and then continue. It's kind of like also going to the gym. I don't know if I've fallen in and out of gym practice so many times. And when you're in it and you're going like three or four times a week, it feels easy. But as soon as you take a week off, it feels impossible. So you just got to get that momentum going. But I think it's often that value system where we're pouring so much into other things, whether it be our job, our children, our relationships, that it falls to the wayside.
19:05But really when you think about your health and what dictates your health, what we're putting in our bodies is probably up there, number one or two with exercise. So we have to prioritize it if we want to live a long and healthy life.
19:17Financial Feminist Host:I did an episode earlier this year around parenting yourself. And one of the things that I realized is I'm more likely to eat crappy food, especially that like is expensive, just because I haven't eaten all day. Like, and in the same way that like, you know, you're a mom now you think about probably snacks and like, what does my child need? I have to do that for myself. And everyone has to do that for themselves. Like if you're going to be out all day, you need to pack snacks, you need to pack water. Because I think that that is really a perfect example of what I'm talking about here is like, when you haven't planned ahead, right, when you haven't at least understood like, Oh, I should probably pack a snack or I should probably, you know, do this.
19:58Financial Feminist Host:You will end up spending more money on things that don't make you feel as good. Uh, and then that cycle is so hard to break because if I go all day without eating, I'm going to be ravenous at 6 PM. And I'm going to be like, how can I eat everything in sight? And also I can't spend the 10 minutes driving home. I have to get something now because I'm so hungry. Like that's how it manifests for me. So now I've learned like I need to pack a string cheese. I need to pack a protein bar. I need to make sure my water bottles fall. Exactly. And you probably feel so much better when you're in that routine.
20:30And I think humans really thrive on routine. I don't know about you, but I like to think of myself as someone who would be jet setting and loves to travel. And, you know, I do in the right circumstances, but there's nothing like being in the kind of routine, like going to the gym, eating healthy, um, making sure that you have snacks on the go and you have your, your hydrating being in that flow feels so good and everything else benefits at the end of it. And I remember when I first started my business, and I'm sure you can relate to this. I used to think to myself that I had to sacrifice everything in order to be a successful entrepreneur.
21:09It didn't matter if I was eating healthy or sleeping well or anything like that. I just needed to be working and grinding as they say. But what I learned over the many years that I've been doing this is actually when I'm taking care of myself and pouring into my own cup, my business and the other things in my life, like my relationships, like my relationship with parenting is so much better because I have the energy and the vitality to show up.
21:36Financial Feminist Host:Yep. Yeah. I mean, all of what we're talking about here is it's, you know, you have to put your oxygen mask on first before helping others. And I think food is fuel at the end of the day. Like I love food. I love to eat. And I love making sure that I feel well-fed enough to also go out and accomplish all the things I want to accomplish. And we talked about this last time, but like, I love home cooking because it feels very meditative for me. And it's where I can be a little more creative than I maybe can in other aspects of my life. And like, it is actually where I can shut my brain off. One of the things that I love that you talk about is the same thing we talk about when it comes to money is rather than feeling like you have to do it all yourself, creating systems and that a system really takes the decisions out of it.
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22:20Financial Feminist Host:So walk me through how we would build a system, right? We talked about meal prep. I know that's part of it, but like, why is a system going to beat trying harder every single time? A system should become passive. I think it's that book where we talk about habit building, that you need to repeat things week after week or day after day to actually build them into your life. And this is no different when we're talking about cooking and meal planning. So if you're starting from scratch, say you're in a rut and you've been eating out and you're hitting the drive through every day and not feeling good about yourself, start from blank.
22:54So I always recommend that people set a day where they go grocery shopping and they do a little bit of meal prep. So this needs to be your hopefully have one day or one afternoon off in a week. So that would mean hitting the grocery store, shopping your fridge and pantry first, making a meal plan on a piece of paper, heading to the grocery store, getting home and prepping a few elements. And when I say making a meal plan, you want to be a little more strategic about this. So I often talk to people about making sure that the recipes that they're going to make and, you know, go on a blog, go on Pinterest, Google, whatever kind of food you like, and make sure that they have overlapping ingredients.
23:32So maybe, you know, you're having a chickpea curry this week and then you're going to have something that chickpea curry has bell peppers in it. So maybe on Tuesday, you're going to have a roasted red pepper pasta sauce that is going to really save you money and make sure that you're not wasting ingredients. So once you shop, you're going to prep those ingredients and then get into forward momentum. Fall in love with cooking. I always love turning on a podcast like the financial feminist. Thank you. They say habit stacking, right? So if you're not a big fan of cooking, pair it with something that you really look forward to in the day.
24:09Maybe it's listening to a podcast, turning on a reality TV show, if you can see your TV from your kitchen, and getting into kind of, like you said, a meditative state of cooking. And I think it's really fun and a great opportunity to share food. So whether you're in a relationship or you're single, having a friend over and making it kind of an experience like that is fantastic. And, you know, we're not talking about a gourmet dinner every night. We're not trying to achieve restaurant quality in our homes. We're just trying to feed our bodies, make it taste good, make it somewhat healthy. So make sure the stakes are low and get into the rhythm of it.
24:47And also make sure that you're building in, like if you're going from zero to 100, that you're building in a couple of days a week where you are going to get takeout or you are going to, you know, go to a restaurant with friends. And the last thing I want to say on this as well is I'm a big fan of grocery delivery. If you can afford it, it is a bit more expensive. But if that's kind of the barrier, again, you can't see yourself. Maybe you have a couple of kids and you're like, oh, my goodness, I cannot imagine heading to the grocery store today. Yes, it might cost a little more, but so does gas these days.
25:20So get your groceries delivered. And that's going to save you time because time is money.
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26:32Financial Feminist Host:And that became like the experience. And I think that that is a great way that we can make cooking actually the date night or the date with friends, as opposed to, again, we're going out to a bar and then we're going out to a restaurant and suddenly$150 are gone. It's just like if we can have that same experience of, you know, being with the people that we love and being social, but in our own homes, I think it's just, it's something that I still do with friends. It's so helpful, both for budget, but also just for having that shared experience. I want to talk about this for a second, because I feel like social media has ruined hosting in a way.
27:11I feel like when I was, I feel like when I was a kid, it is such a chore now it is like, have a welcome
27:17Financial Feminist Host:drink and also have like, like the most perfect table you've ever seen. And if that gives you joy, great. And I'm also like, no, you're going to come over on a whim. I just did this with a friend the other day. It was like, I'm making a salad kit. It's a pre-made salad kit. I'm doing some chicken in the air fryer. Come on over. This is what I'm making. Yeah. When I was a kid, you know, my parents would have friends dropping in. They would come, everybody can have a plate. They wouldn't worry about their house being perfectly clean. And I don't know what psychologically, and I can't think that it's just me, but like, if somebody's coming over, I'm like, get the broom.
27:54We're going to make it look like nobody lives here. And it's toxic.
27:59Financial Feminist Host:Get the good napkins. Get the good napkins and the silverware. I'm hoping we are going to have a resurgence of just what you said. You have a salad kit and you're like, come on over because why is going out to eat$150 every time? We can't, we cannot afford it. So I think additionally, it's all, there's also something just so nice about sharing a meal in someone's home. So I think it's a beautiful thing rather than going out all the time and thinking about the cost of that, thinking about even starting like a little dinner club with your friends. That's not crazy. It is a great way to start cooking at home and also practicing the skill of cooking.
28:40Financial Feminist Host:And if you get joy out of like really fancy hosting, amazing. Totally. Also take some of the pressure off on a normal Tuesday. Don't feel like I can't have them over unless I've perfectly structured my table. Like you can have both. I agree. So you have this new book out and I'm so excited about it. It's literally called Quickies, which is the cutest title. And you wrote it, of course, during one of the busiest times, I think, of your whole life. What did that teach you about time that you maybe didn't understand when you had more of it? Honestly, so the idea of Quickies came when after my mother had passed.
29:17So my mom had a long journey with cancer, really, really horrible. And I was deep in grief. Suddenly for the first time of my life, I really didn't feel like cooking. I was like, oh, and the whole process of her journey had really burnt me out as well. So the idea was kind of born from that. I knew I wanted to start trying for a family soon. And I knew that these times in my life, the season of my life where I had all the time in the world to spend in the kitchen and enjoying that was kind of coming to a close. And I really began to understand some of the pressures, whether it be grief, work, having a kid, being pregnant, what that felt like when you really just from a survival aspect needed to fuel yourself with good food.
30:08So that's how Quickies was born. And we decided when we were recipe testing for this book that we were going to time everything because I did not want to put out a recipe book, you know, that was like, this is a 20 minute recipe. And then really it's going to take you like 45 minutes.
30:25Financial Feminist Host:That's so common by the way, like we talked about this last time, but my partner has learned to cook and I will say he is slower than I think most people are, which is fine. But a, you know, 45 minute recipe takes a normal person, I think an hour and 15, which is frustrating enough, but he'll take him two hours. And so it's so frustrating when you sit down and you're like, I have a half hour. Oh, great. It says half hour. And you're here for like an hour and a half. And you're like, how did this happen? Suddenly all your time is gone. Exactly. And I did not want to put out something where I'm promising that.
30:58And then that, what you said is the result. So my sister and I worked on the recipes and she's really good at keeping me honest. So we would like start a timer and test everything. And, you know, these are the recipes since we've had the book, I have been living off of this thing. And my husband as well, I'll sometimes take Wes up for his afternoon nap. And when I come down, Jesse will have made one of the recipes from quickies. And he's like, it's so quick. I'm like, thank goodness. So they're born out of this like really authentic, busy season of life. They are not, you know, a five-star spread that you're going to serve at Christmas, but they serve a purpose.
31:35They are super high in fiber, which is extremely important to me. My dad's a colon cancer survivor and fiber is a really important element. We see colon cancer cases rising in young people. So they're high in fiber. They're entirely plant-based. If you're not plant-based, I guarantee that you can love them or you can swap in, you know, your meat if you would like. And they're easy and they're freaking quick. So I'm just excited. I guess the greatest part about putting out a book is seeing it in people's hands and it helping people. So I'm excited to see like that moment.
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34:19Financial Feminist Host:so when you're thinking about quickies when you were formulating these recipes what are the things that make it quick like obviously everybody needs to buy the book we need to do the recipes but like what did you realize what were the kind of hacks or the things that made a recipe quicker than a normal recipe so i've been become a huge fan of something called a dump dinner, which, you know, is a really unattractive name for a really beautiful concept, which is you throw everything either into a casserole dish in a pan and then either throw it in the oven or on the stovetop. So we have a whole chapter dedicated to this in the book and it's called dump and bake, not dump dinners.
34:59The publisher wouldn't let me do that, but regardless of that. So I look at speed as two different things. To me, there's like really quick 50 minute recipes. We made one today. It's like a stovetop curry ramen noodle. Ramen noodles cook up really quick. So it's truly 15 minutes. You're using frozen edamame. So that speeds it up. I often in these recipes cut out something like chopping garlic and we'll use ground garlic instead. So cutting up those elements where you're spending a lot of, you know, hands on time chopping. But then there's the other element here where I'm a big fan of a recipe that you do all of the work that takes about like five, 10 minutes.
35:38And then the stove does the work. So a recipe could be 60 minutes, but in reality, it took like five minutes of hands on time, which is like really valuable. Now as a parent, I do not have time to be, you know, chopping, simmering, stirring. So a lot of the recipes are just pop in the oven. And then we also have a lot of meal prep recipes, because I think this is another aspect of the time thing. We have a great, it's a chickpea flour-based breakfast sandwich. It's kind of like, think of an egg McMuffin, a plant-based spin on that. And we make a whole sheet pan of it. And we have sun-dried tomatoes, spinach in it.
36:14And then you can freeze these breakfast sandwiches. So you're getting time back during the week. So there's all these different elements that kind of flow into what I believe can be considered a quick recipe.
36:25Financial Feminist Host:I mean, I do this so much and it's helped my life. I mean, I even just mentioned the salad kit. I probably eat two to three a week with my partner and we just literally put chicken nuggets. Like I get them at Costco. They're like the chicken chunks. I put them in the air fryer. I put the salad kit in a huge bowl. It's the most unattractive bowl. It's like a mixing bowl. And I wait my 10 minutes for my chicken to be done. And then it's dinner. And then we literally just have two forks and we pass the bowl back and forth. I love that. And like, that's, that's what we do so many nights when I can't be bothered, when I can't be asked.
36:58Financial Feminist Host:And it's like, it's great. And it's the same thing when I do cook of, yeah, finding certain things that are going to be cheap at the grocery store, but are going to make a bigger impact. So yeah, a lot of canned goods and thinking about like, what can I mix that's frozen or canned and fresh? And that's just so helpful in terms of your budget, but also in terms of how quickly you're, you're cooking and getting it done. Your chicken nugget salad reminds me of this chapter I have in the book. It's called safer sanity suppers. And it's exactly the concept that you're talking about. So it's taking store-bought meals.
37:31So say mac and cheese, a pack of mac and cheese or a frozen pizza or something like a taco kit and showing how you can boost it up with nutrition. So we do this at least once a week, we buy a taco kit from the store. And then instead of ground beef, we take a thing of tofu, crumble it up with my hands, add the taco seasoning pack, throw it in the oven and serve that up. And I think, you know, if you have meals like that, that you can rely on instead of calling Uber Eats, I think it's a fabulous way to save money and probably eat more nutrition because at the end of the day, eating a meal in is always, almost always going to be healthier than eating out.
38:11Financial Feminist Host:I think one of the reasons that first that I love following you and love your content, but that this first episode you came on and did was such a success is that I think you take a very practical view of food. It's not pretentious at all. And I really, really appreciate that. So how do we decouple like our need for perfection, even in the kitchen, when people are already struggling to eat healthy? It's realizing that perfection is impossible. And the pursuit of perfection is the enemy of good. So what I mean by that, I know we've talked about this gym analogy a couple of times, but I used to think, you know, to have the body and the life I wanted, I needed to be in the gym five to six days a week, at least an hour each session.
38:59Well, now in this busy season of my life, I just got to make it there. You know, if I do three days, three days a week, I'm like, perfect. That's fantastic. So I think it's just lowering the bar and being realistic with ourselves and understanding that the more consistent we can be, the better it is. But if you, I don't know if we like the term fall off the wagon, don't look at that as, you know, a failure, just get back on. We all are going to have times in busy seasons in our life where we're relying on takeout more, where we're going to restaurants more, maybe spending more money, fueling our bodies with food that we maybe don't feel good about.
39:39Just try and get back on because being consistent, you know, 70 to 80 % of the time is going to be way more effective from both a financial and a health perspective than being perfect. And then being like, I can't do this because basically no one can. Nobody, nobody's perfect. I, as a cookbook author, I'm, I'm having the taco kit every week. So that right there, you know?
40:04Financial Feminist Host:And I think you have to have those kinds of fail safes for when it is just like, I do not have a second tonight. It's just not happening. And you have to give yourself that option because it is so easy to order DoorDash. It is so easy to, you know, go get takeout. And again, we're not victimizing or, you know, demonizing those, but I think it is a level of like, if you are trying to save money, this is one of the easiest ways to save money. It just is. It's, it's so much easier. This is something I want to talk about too is I think a lot of people, and this might be also a product of Instagram, is that people think when they're trying to eat more at home or eat healthier, that they need to be making all of these different food and different gourmet meals every night of the week.
40:53We really cycle through, and it sounds like you're the same, you know, the same four or five dishes every single week, we might change up the protein or change up the herbs that we're putting on top. And that's really great thing for gut diversity. However, you need to come up with your staple meals so that when you're in those moments, you can just whip things together. And these are often going to be inspired by your favorite restaurant menus. Maybe you love like a chicken salad. So you have now you're kind of like, yeah, exactly. Now you have your chicken Caesar salad that you, you know, you can whip up and there's no barrier to that for us.
41:30We're making pasta or taco kit and some kind of curry every single week. And when you know that it just gets so much easier, like anything, once you're kind of into the rhythm and you know your safe meals that you love, I promise you guys cooking at home can be so joyous in like second nature rather than feeling like a real grind.
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43:53Financial Feminist Host:I can't talk to you without talking about food waste and thinking more strategically about reusing food. It was mostly the focus of your last cookbook, but I I think especially even since we chatted last, groceries, I think, are probably sometimes double in the past year, two years. So how can we think more strategically about the scraps or the things that we would normally throw away? How can we reuse those and get the most out of them? Listen, we throw out up to 40 % of our food. And when you think about that from a grocery bill perspective, I think the last statistic on this was so many years ago when they said the average American family wastes around$1 ,800 worth of food.
44:37I have to think it's probably double. Oh, it's gotta be more than that.
44:40Financial Feminist Host:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Given the way the grocery prices have skyrocketed. So when we're going to talk about food waste, number one, it's being more mindful about the food that we're buying, doing all of these things that we've talked about in this episode, the meal planning, developing a shopping list, thinking more, okay, I'm going to buy the cut up watermelon rather than the full watermelon because I'm actually prepping your food, prepping your food as soon as it gets in the house. Yeah. Frozen fruits and veg. If you're a single person, you know, we all buy that well-intentioned box of spinach and then it's kind of sitting in the back of the fridge, looking at us like eat me.
45:14And then it wilts and you know, so that's number one. And that is like the low hanging fruit here because we want to slash our grocery bills. Like it is insane out there. Number two, we throw out so much food that we can be eating. So I often use the example of broccoli here, the stems, like if you're paying for broccoli by weight, the stem is, you know, the heaviest part and we're paying for that. And then we're all throwing it away and it's absolutely delicious. So you can just shave off the outer woody edge and then chop it up, throw it into a stir fry, grate it up, put it into pasta, blend it up, make a pesto.
45:50It's fantastic. It's kind of adjacent to asparagus. The other things that are coming to mind radish tops and beet tops. You know, you buy, maybe you're a fan of beets or maybe you juice or something like that. If you throw out your beet tops, they make fabulous salad greens, or you can even make beet chips, radish tops, the same. I love to use, people are always wowed at the aquafaba, which is the liquid in a can of chickpeas. So if you have, if you're a big chickpea eater, I'm a huge fan of canned chickpeas. I want to, I want to be the person who makes like my beans every week, but I am not. So I am a canned chickpea girl and you can just keep that liquid.
46:28It's fabulous for breading things. So we'll often take tofu and use it as like an egg white replacement, but you can also make desserts for it. So you can foam it like you would meringue. It's the coolest thing and add melted chocolate and it makes a delicious chocolate mousse. So those are a few of the ones that people are always wowed at and can implement into their lives really effortlessly. But I just challenge people to start thinking about things that you often throw away and maybe potentially you could be using it.
46:56Financial Feminist Host:I always take any veggie scraps. They go in a huge Ziploc bag. They go in my freezer. And then when the Ziploc bag is full, I make veggie broth. Exactly. We just posted a video on that in, uh, Rachel Ray coined the term so many years ago on her 30 minute meals, the garbage bowl. So if you have a garbage bowl, yeah, this is a great way also to like reduce some, some of that mesh during prep, which I think is a lot of the reason people hate cooking. is put out a bowl when you're chopping things up, add your onion tops, your garlic peels, your carrot greens or the end of the carrot and do just what you said.
47:32Plop them in a Ziploc bag. When that's full, you just add it to a pot with water about three inches above, simmer it away for a couple of hours and you have your own free vegetable broth from those scraps. So they've given you new life.
47:46Financial Feminist Host:The thing I hear about cooking is the same thing I hear about money, which is I'm bad at this. I'm bad at cooking or I'm bad at money. How do we view this as just a teachable skill? This is something you can learn. I don't think anybody's bad at cooking. First of all, I want to give a little plug for plant-based cooking because I don't know about you, but when I was trying to cook with meat so many years ago, I've been vegan now for 10 years. The thought of undercooking chicken terrified me, overcooking steak plant-based cooking. If you want to start somewhere, the stakes are low. You can always fix something.
48:23That's so true. If you make a stew that's a full of plants and it's a little bit salty, add a little more coconut milk or broth or the opposite problem, add a little salt. Like nothing's going to make you sick. Well, we've got the poop. That's the ironic. We have the poop parasite going around as we record this, but, but, but yeah, you're not, I think there is such an
48:45Financial Feminist Host:intimidation of yeah am I cooking my steak properly am I cooking my pork properly like I definitely I am a meat eater get yourself a thermometer that's like the easiest thing but yeah the intimidation factor immediately gets cut in half I think if you're not having to deal with any of that and this is something that you don't have to be good off off the hop choose something that really inspires you follow it step by step I always say when anybody's learning cooking one really good place to start is by cutting up and setting out all of your ingredients first, which is traditionally known as mise en place, but it makes the actual sequence of cooking go a lot easier.
49:22So say you have, you know, a roasted red pepper pasta or something, you get out all of those components before you actually make the dish. It's going to make things go a lot better. And then, you know, if the worst case scenario, the dish doesn't end up good, you move on and you eat something else. Like the stakes are not high, less, a lot less high than with money. What do you say about people who are intimidated by, by money?
49:49Financial Feminist Host:I say it's a learned skill. And I say that, you know, the belief that you're bad with money has been ingrained in you because we view it as our self-worth. It's like, I should just be magically good at this. But like, you didn't come out of the womb speaking Italian or playing the tuba. Like if you want to speak a new language, if you want to learn a new instrument, if you want to learn how to cook, you have to learn. You have to teach yourself. You have to follow people and go to cooking classes. And the way I learned, and we talked about this last time, it's like I dated a lot of people who are really, really good at cooking.
50:20Financial Feminist Host:Like that was it. I dated a couple of people who were actual chefs and I just watched them cook. And that's how my partner's learning from me is he watches me cook. And we also watch so much fucking Food Network. And it's like, that's the easiest way, I think, is you just start immersing yourself the same way you'd learn a language as it's like, okay, I'm going to go take classes and I'm going to try to speak to people who speak fluent. French or fluent Italian. And like, you're just going to surround yourself and you're going to start picking things up. I would also say like, yes, the cookbooks are so great.
50:48Financial Feminist Host:And also people are food writers. Like, you know, I have finally read Anthony Bourdain this year and there is something so it's gonna make me teary, but that's a whole other thing. It's like, I listened to his audio books and there's something so gratifying about one hearing his love of food. It's just so great. But also I have learned things about food and about cooking from just hearing this very you know, real experience of this person living their life. And I think that there's ways to learn about the skill you're trying to learn without like sitting down and like writing an essay about it.
51:21Financial Feminist Host:Like you can make learning about cooking or anything else money as fun as learning about something that you think you would enjoy. You will learn to love it after, you know, hearing people who are so excited about it. Even this episode, right? Every time I talk to you, I'm like, oh, God, I love food. I love cooking. I love her cookbooks. It's just like you get the passion from somebody else, you know? Yeah. And at some point, you just got to get in there and do the thing. And I'm sure you agree with like investing, right? Like you've got to at some point just do the thing. And over time, you're going to get better and better.
51:55So I hope I hope this episode inspires people to get in the kitchen because that would just be so cool.
52:00Financial Feminist Host:Speaking of that, do you want to do a speed round really quick? I have so many questions. Rapid fire. Okay. These always make me nervous, but let's do it. They're all going to be easily answerable, hopefully. Okay. Fastest way to get a real dinner on the table when you got zero energy? Dump and bake. 100%. I actually, no, I need to change my answer. Not dump and bake. That's the fastest prep. Like I can get a dump and bake if I'm throwing things into a casserole dish done in five minutes flat, but one pan. So we have a ton of one pan dinners, but I literally just made one with ramen noodles and a whole bunch of veggies, frozen veggies.
52:35and it came together in probably 15 minutes.
52:37Financial Feminist Host:One thing to prep on a Sunday that saved you all week. Sauce. So we love something called cashew cream. It's blending cashews, lemon juice, water, and salt. And we add this as a base of like Caesar dressing, drizzle on grain bowls, add to pasta sauce to make them creamy. So I think sauce is a really good element that removes a barrier to making food delicious. Yeah, that's probably a salad. Yeah, a salad dressing too, right? You can do a bunch of things with that. That sounds so good. I'm realizing I'm hungry. I gotta go eat lunch after this. Okay. Um, the move for a vegetable that's about to go bad tomorrow.
53:09Financial Feminist Host:Freeze it. I would say freeze it unless you're, you're going to eat it right now. And right then a lot of vegetables are freezer and fabulous for smoothies. So I freeze, you know, something like kale and make a great green smoothie the next week. I also say cauliflower. I love cauliflower. It's always the one that seems to go bad on me. I'm making it like that same night. It's like quick roast in the air fryer and I can just eat it. I literally have a head of cauliflower that I need to cook today. And that's what I'm probably going to do is roast it. Also cauliflower pasta, like mixing it in with pasta.
53:41Financial Feminist Host:I love doing that. So good. Your hack for real flavor when you have no time to build it. Lemon juice and fresh herbs. So if a meal is ever feeling flat at the end, I love to add a squeeze of lemon and I'm a huge fan of cilantro. So it's a very, you know, Some people hate it. Some people love it. It tastes soapy. It tastes soapy to me, which is genetic. You know, okay. This is the weirdest thing. People will think I'm lying when I say this. I used to have the soap gene. I don't know what has happened. You don't anymore? No. I don't know if I just kept eating enough. Maybe it's your pregnancy. I don't know.
54:14I love it now. Because I heard that does change your taste buds.
54:16Financial Feminist Host:Interesting. I will eat it. It just tastes soapy to me. It used to. I know exactly what you mean. Yeah. So weirdest thing. Maybe you can adjust it. but a fresh herbs going to make punch something up. But whenever something's tasting flat in it, a lot of people under salt their meals. So that was just going to say it's probably under salted too. Yeah. Yeah. If you don't know how to salt your food and I would say anybody listening who doesn't know actually how to cook, you don't know how to salt your food. You need to watch the food network. You need to see what they do or watch your videos. You can see like you are not using enough salt and no salt's not bad for you.
54:49Financial Feminist Host:Salt's under salted food is bad for you. I am so passionate about this. It's so important to me. I agree completely. I think I already know the answer to this, but a pantry staple, you'd never be caught without beans, canned beans. We have them always. And there's such a healthy, you know, eat more beans. I swear I'm not working for big bean co, but you want, you can do so many things like throw drain a can of chickpeas and throw them into a salad and you've made it a meal. So, and finally a cleanup shortcut that actually keeps you sane? The garbage bowl. I recommend that Rachel Ray, not my idea, but you've got to put out a bowl when you're doing your prep, because when you have like, you know, your scraps everywhere, it makes for a very overwhelming experience.
55:34So concentrate them and then save them.
55:37Financial Feminist Host:So my final question to you for a woman listening, who's just really struggling in the kitchen right now, she feels too tired, too broke. There's too much going on. What is the one thing you want her to stop believing about herself and about her ability to cook? I want you to start believing that you can nourish your body and that you can make an investment in yourself by learning the skill of cooking, even just one day a week, take one day a week and cook a home cooked meal, open up a cookbook, open up a page from Pinterest or your favorite blogger and try a new recipe because week after week, if you do that, I promise you that you're going to be nourishing your body.
56:19You're going to learn a wonderful new skill. And that's Monday is going to turn into, you know, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. So that that's what I would hope.
56:27Financial Feminist Host:I am so excited for this cookbook. Plug away my friend, where can people find it? It's called plant you quickies. You can find it anywhere books are sold. We're big fans of supporting local bookstores. If you have one and you can find plant you where I'm no doubt going going to be talking about this book and any of your favorite social platforms like Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, Facebook. It's just plant Y-O-U and that's me. Amazing. Thank you. Thanks for coming back. So much fun. Thank you so much for having me.
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From the publisher
Carleigh Bodrug is back! She's the CEO and founder of PlantYou, a #1 New York Times bestselling author, a self-taught plant-based home cook, and the author of the brand-new cookbook Quickies. Her first episode was one of our most-loved ever, so I brought her back to tackle one of the biggest line items on your budget right now: food. We get into why convenience wins at 6 PM, how to actually cut your grocery bill, how to stop throwing money in the trash (literally), and why a food system works the same way a money system does. It's practical, it's shame-free, and there is a salad kit eaten out of a mixing bowl.
Carleigh’s Links:
PlantYou Quickies book
Carleigh's Instagram
How to Lower Your Grocery Bill and Stop Food Waste
Additional Resources Mentioned:
millionaire mindset: parenting yourself episode
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00:00 Intro
00:42 What Happens to Healthy Habits When You're Maxed Out
04:16 The Psychology of Pre-Cut Food
07:26 Shop Your Pantry First
11:15 The Deeper Psychology of Convenience
12:51 Cooking as an Investment in Yourself
18:23 Building a System That Beats Willpower
24:52 How "Quickies" Was Born
28:08 What Makes a Recipe Actually Quick
32:00 Perfection Is the Enemy of Good
35:33 Using Every Scrap: Reducing Food Waste
39:31 Cooking Is a Learned Skill
43:54 Rapid Fire Speed Round
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