

27 Oct 2026 · 21m · 9 chapters

A “wild Monday” in markets shows how access to gains and risk is reshaped by (1) Brazil’s presidential election shock hitting public fintech stocks, (2) Anthropic’s blockbuster IPO filing despite massive losses and huge compute obligations, and (3) Revolut’s plan to let some customers invest in private companies, while still keeping regulatory “accredited” barriers.
No guest names or backgrounds are provided in the transcript (it’s a two-host conversation).
Public markets reprice instantly based on expectations (not business changes). Anthropic’s S-1 shows $16.3B H1 revenue, $80.7B net loss, and ~$417B future compute obligations; IPO underwriters face reputational/financial risk. Retail access to private markets is expanding but likely limited to accredited investors and delayed until 2027.
Nubank stock gapped from $15.16 to $11.69 after Lula’s win (51.8%–48.2%). Anthropic (ANT) filed for NASDAQ; Goldman Sachs lead left; founders retain 50.1% voting power; insiders can trade from day one. Revolut Ventures (with Karn Group) targets eligible customers; Robinhood Ventures Fund 2 mentioned.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes.
Analyzing Nubank's significant stock drop after Brazil's election results.
“We want to understand who gets access to the biggest financial gains, who absorbs the most risk, and, well, what happens when the unwritten rules of access just suddenly change overnight.”
Exploring how public markets react to political events and investor fears.
“Which, if you zoom out, placed NewBank roughly 36 % below its January high of$18.76.”
Discussing the ramifications of Anthropic's massive net loss in their IPO filing.
“Yeah, it is the greatest risk handoff ever invented.”
Examining the financial demands of developing AI technologies and IPO strategies.
“And our source material frames this using an excellent NFL draft night metaphor.”
Introducing Revolut's new platform aiming to give retail investors access to private company stakes.
“So we have new holdings proving that the public markets can arbitrarily wipe out your value based on tomorrow's fears.”
Learn about Revolut's venture into offering private market access to customers.
“And now a London-based neobank called Revolut is claiming they are going to start selling backstage passes to the general public.”
Understand the implications of being an accredited investor in private markets.
“And Revolut isn't operating in a vacuum here, are they?”
Explore the structural barriers in private markets and their implications for investors.
“Revolut Ventures is not rolling out next week.”
Discuss the potential volatility introduced by democratizing private investments.
“You have to recognize when you were being offered a genuine early stage opportunity versus when you were just being handed the bill for a tech giant's$417 billion server tab.”

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0:00So, imagine you are standing outside an incredibly exclusive high stakes nightclub. Okay, I'm picturing it. You finally make it to the front of the line. And instead of just one bouncer, there are three. Oh, wow. Yeah, three. And the first bouncer is holding a ballot box. A ballot box, right. The second bouncer is aggressively reading a 500-page financial prospectus. Naturally. And the third bouncer is like squinting at this very, very short VIP guest list. I mean, that sounds like a club where the cover charge could literally bankrupt you. It really is. But, you know, that bizarre imagery perfectly captures the shifting and honestly brutal dynamics of financial markets that we're unpacking today on this deep dive.
0:44Yeah, because we're looking at a single Wild Monday in the markets, right? Exactly. We want to understand who gets access to the biggest financial gains, who absorbs the most risk, and, well, what happens when the unwritten rules of access just suddenly change overnight. And we have some incredible source material for this. We do. We've got a massive electoral shock in Brazil, a jaw-dropping IPO filing from an AI giant, and a London neobank actively trying to sneak everyday people past that velvet rope. So a ballot box, a prospectus, and a guest list. You got it. So let's start with that first bouncer, the one with the ballot box.
1:21Yeah, because this perfectly illustrates the sheer vulnerability of being a publicly traded company today. Right, because we tend to think of going public as like a victory lap for a successful company. But look at New Holdings, better known as New Bank. They are a massive fintech titan. Huge. Founded in Sao Paulo back in 2013. And they serve over 115 million customers across Brazil, Mexico, and Colombia. I mean, they are a juggernaut. But on this particular Monday morning, they absorbed a staggering blow. Yeah, they really did. To set the stage for you listening, on the Sunday night prior, Brazil concluded its presidential election.
1:58Right. The electoral court announced that Luis Inacio Lula da Silva defeated Flavio Bolsonaro in the runoff. With a final margin of 51.8 percent to 48.2 percent. And I just want to be crystal clear right up front here. We are strictly analyzing the financial mechanics today. Right. Just the market's mathematical reaction. Exactly. We are not taking any political stance on the election itself. Both sides have their viewpoints, but we are just tracking the money. And wow, the money moved violently. It did. Nubank closed on Friday at$15.16 a share. When the opening bell rang on Monday, the stock gapped all the way down to$11.69.
2:37And that phrase, gapped down, is actually really crucial to understand here. How so? Well, it means the stock didn't slowly fall from$15 down to$11 once trading started. The overnight news was so significant that market makers adjusted the price before the market even opened. Oh, wow. So it was just gone. It was an instant 23 % haircut. That is brutal. Yeah. And the losses fluctuated between 17 % and 25 % throughout the day, eventually settling around$12. Which, if you zoom out, placed NewBank roughly 36 % below its January high of$18.76. Right. And our source material used this fascinating soccer analogy for this entire situation.
3:20Oh, I loved this part. They described it as the market scoring a beautiful goal, the crowd going wild, and then VAR, the video assistant referee, steps in, reviews the play, and just takes the goal completely off the board. That is exactly what it felt like. But here's the thing I really want to drill into. If you look at NewBank as a functioning business, literally nothing changed between Sunday night and Monday morning. Not a single thing. Right. They didn't lose their 115 million customers. Their code didn't break. Their revenue streams didn't just evaporate into thin air. And you're hitting on the core friction of public markets right there.
3:55They do not trade on current reality. They don't. No, they trade on the anticipation of future reality. When those election results came in, institutional investors immediately began running new mathematical models. Models based entirely on fear and expectation. Exactly. Let's trace that actual domino effect, because the market isn't just reacting to a name. It's reacting to what a new administration might mechanically do to a balance sheet. Okay, yeah, let's unpack this. What are they anticipating? Well, investors anticipate that a new government might implement different fiscal policies, perhaps increased spending.
4:30Right. And increased spending often triggers inflation fears. Spot on. And to combat potential inflation, the central bank might be forced to raise local yields. Meaning interest rates go up. Exactly. And for a fintech lender like NewBank, I mean, that is the kill shot. Right. Because if local yields go up, the cost for NewBank to borrow the money that it eventually lends out to its customers also goes up. So their funding costs rise, their profit margins get squeezed, and suddenly the company is fundamentally less valuable on paper. Exactly. And investors were also pricing in fears of potential tax hikes, heavier regulations on lenders, the whole package.
5:08And it wasn't just Nubank, right? The entire Latin American tech sector felt it. Yeah, Mercado Libre, another massive player, fell right alongside them. Brazil exposure was basically trading as one giant, terrified block. But the most important takeaway here is that nobody had drafted a new tax law by Monday morning. Right. It was just pure, unadulterated anticipation wiping out billions in real value. Which, you know, brings up a structural question. If you are a founder and you know your company's value can be instantly obliterated by macroeconomic shadows on the wall before any actual policy is written, isn't being a public company an absolute liability?
5:47I mean, it is a massive liability in terms of volatility and public scrutiny, for sure. Subjecting your life's work to that kind of minute-by-minute vulnerability just seems completely irrational to me. It does, but the mechanism of going public, the IPO, remains the ultimate financial escape hatch. The escape hatch. I like that. Yeah, it is the greatest risk handoff ever invented. You trade the quiet, insulated stability of the private market for access to the deepest pools of capital on Earth. Ah, so you're handing the massive financial burden of funding your future growth over to pension funds, mutual funds, and everyday retail investors.
6:24Precisely. And to see the sheer scale of the burden currently being handed off, we have to look at our second bouncer. The one holding the prospectus. Exactly. Let's talk about Anthropic. So Anthropic is a San Francisco-based AI lab founded in 2021 by Dario and Daniela Amadei. Along with, I think, five other former open AI researchers, right? Yep, that's them. And they just filed their S1 to list on the NASDAQ under the ticker symbol ANT. And for you listening, if you haven't dug into financial filings before, the S-1 is essentially a company's financial autobiography. It's the mandatory document they submit to the SEC before going public.
7:03Right. They have to open the books and lay out every risk, every dollar made, and every dollar burned. And the numbers inside Anthropix S-1 are, well, they're difficult to even comprehend. They really are. They filed with$16.3 billion in first half revenue. Which sounds phenomenal on the surface. It does, until you read the very next line item. They reported an$80.7 billion net loss. Wait, wait, wait, wait. I have to push back here. An$80.7 billion net loss? Yeah, with a B. In any other era of tech, in any other sector, an$80 billion net loss in an S-1 would just kill the IPO on contact. It would be a total non-starter.
7:46You're not wrong. So why on earth are Wall Street banks lining up to underwrite this instead of running for the hills? Well, it gets crazier. They also disclosed roughly$417 billion in future compute obligations. $417 billion. Are public retail investors essentially being asked to foot a compute bill that private venture capitalists are just physically incapable of paying? The short answer is yes. Wow. The long answer requires understanding the mechanics of the AI arms race. Building artificial general intelligence is essentially a capital expenditure war. Okay, so that$417 billion obligation is for what?
8:30It's for data centers, silicon chips, and the immense power grid required to just keep the servers humming. So the private markets, venture capital and private equity, they're deep, but they are not half a trillion dollars deep. Exactly. They have hit the absolute ceiling of their liquidity. The only entities on Earth capable of absorbing that kind of capital requirement are the global public markets. So you literally need everybody's retirement accounts to build this supercomputer. Basically, yeah. And our source material frames this using an excellent NFL draft night metaphor. Oh, right. The draft night metaphor.
9:09Yeah. Anthropic is the consensus number one overall pick. They filed confidentially back in June, effectively sitting in the green room. And now their name has been called. Right. They are walking across the stage and the entourage walking with them is unprecedented. Goldman Sachs is acting as the lead left underwriter, working alongside Morgan Stanley and 20 other banks. Let's break down that lead left term because it really highlights the risk involved here. It doesn't just mean Goldman's logo is on the brochure, right? Not at all. Lead left means their name is printed on the top left of the prospectus, denoting that they are the primary architects of the IPO.
9:45So they're responsible for structuring the deal. Structuring the deal, organizing the roadshow to convince institutional investors to actually buy in. And most importantly, they carry the massive reputational and financial risk of pricing the shares correctly. Because if they price it too high and the market rejects an$80 billion net loss. Lynn Goldman Sachs is left holding the bag. A raise of this size is a literal stress test for the plumbing of the global financial system. Especially when you look at the rumored valuations. Now, the S-1 filing strategically left the exact share count and price range blank.
10:19Which is standard practice at this stage. Right. But the financial press is circulating rumors of a valuation somewhere between$1.5 trillion and$2 trillion, aiming for a raise of roughly$100 billion. And, you know, those are just press rumors, but they provide critical context. Because earlier this year, private investors valued Anthropic at$965 billion. dollars. So mechanically, we're looking at a company that generated nearly a trillion dollars in value in the private market and now wants to double that in the public market just to pay its server bills. Yep. And the founders are executing this handoff without giving up the steering wheel.
10:54Wait, really? Yeah. The Amadeus and their entity will retain 50.1 percent of the voting power. So they get the public's money, but the public gets zero say in how the company's actually run. Exactly. And adding another layer of complexity here, the insiders can trade their shares from day one. That's unusual, isn't it? Very. In a traditional IPO, there is a lockup period, usually six months, where early investors and employees cannot sell their shares. Right, to prevent a mass exodus that crashes the stock price on opening day. Exactly. But Anthropic is bypassing that entirely. Which raises massive questions about what happens when the bell actually rings, potentially as soon as November 16th.
11:32And all the while, their biggest rival, OpenAI, is just sitting back, stating they won't even consider listing until next year. It is a brilliant, if ruthless, waiting game by OpenAI. Oh, completely. You let your biggest competitor absorb the initial impact. Right. You let Anthropic test the elasticity of the public market, see how retail and institutional investors digest an$80 billion net loss, and then you just adjust your own IPO strategy based on the wreckage or the success. That's very smart. So we have new holdings proving that the public markets can arbitrarily wipe out your value based on tomorrow's fears.
12:07Right. And we have Anthropic proving that founders will still brave those dangerous public waters when they have a$417 billion bill they need help paying. Exactly. But let's circle back to that Anthropic private valuation for a second. $965 billion. Almost a trillion dollars. Almost a trillion dollars of wealth was created entirely behind closed doors before a single member of the public could buy a share. Yeah. If you were an everyday retail investor, you completely missed the entire zero to a trillion journey. Which leads us directly to the third bouncer. The one holding the VIP guest list. Right.
12:49Because the structural reality of modern finance is that by the time a company goes public today, its most explosive growth phase is often already in the rearview mirror. So how does a regular person get past that velvet rope and into the early action? Well, the data in our sources illustrates just how tall that velvet rope has become. Between 2014 and 2025, the median age of a company at the time of its IPO rose from 6.9 years to 11 years. It is four extra years. Four additional years of compound hyper growth completely locked away from the public. Why are they waiting so much longer? Because for the last decade, venture capital and private equity money was historically abundant and cheap.
13:33So founders didn't need to go public to raise 50 or 100 million dollars. Exactly. They could get that from private funds without having to file an S-1, without disclosing their losses to the public, and without dealing with the minute-by-minute volatility we saw with Nubank. And the consequence of that is that everyday retail investors have been systemically locked out of the biggest financial gains of the modern era. You have been stuck in the lawn seats while institutional money holds the backstage passes. I love that framing. Lawn seats versus backstage passes. And now a London-based neobank called Revolut is claiming they are going to start selling backstage passes to the general public.
14:11Right. So Revolut, which was founded in 2015 and is currently a mash of private company itself, no public ticker, is establishing a new platform called Revolut Ventures. And this news broke via a LinkedIn post, right, by Rolanda Stutteca, the CEO of Revolut Securities Europe, and was detailed by FX News Group. Yeah, so it's not even a slick, formal PR campaign yet. It's basically an industry leak. But the mechanics of their pitch are just fascinating. They are partnering with Karn Group to build a system where eligible Revolut customers can hold direct stakes in private companies right inside their app.
14:50So picture opening your brokerage account and right next to your Apple stock and your treasury bonds, you hold shares of the next Anthropic while it's still it entirely private. That sounds incredible. And Revolut isn't operating in a vacuum here, are they? Not at all. Robinhood is driving aggressively into this exact same territory. Back in August, they targeted a$200 million IPO for an entity called the Robinhood Ventures Fund 2. So the financial tech sector is just racing to democratize the private markets because they see the pent up demand. They know retail investors are tired of arriving late to the trillion-dollar party.
15:25But look, I read the fine print and the source material, and the caveats here are massive. This isn't just throwing the doors of the club wide open. No, not even close. The first major caveat hinges on a single word in Revolut's pitch, eligible. They state that eligible customers will get access. And in the mechanics of the financial world, eligible is almost always code for accredited investor status. Let's unpack that for a second, because it's essentially the invisible wall of finance. What does it actually mean to be an accredited investor? Well, it is a legal designation created by securities regulators.
16:03To qualify in the U.S., for example, you generally need a net worth of over$1 million, excluding your primary residence. Wow. Okay. Or you need an annual income exceeding$200 ,000 for multiple years in a row. That locks out a huge portion of the population. What's the regulatory logic there? The logic is that private companies are incredibly risky and highly illiquid. If you buy private shares, you can't just click sell on your app on a random Tuesday if you suddenly need cash. Right. There's no secondary market for it. Exactly. So the government restricts access to ensure that only people who can theoretically afford to lose their entire investment are allowed to take the risk.
16:43So it's a protective measure that effectively functions as a wealth gatekeeper. Yeah. So the velvet rope isn't disappearing at all. It's just being moved slightly to the left. You can get into the VIP section provided you are wearing a$5 ,000 suit. That's a perfect way to put it. And the second caveat is the timeline. Revolut Ventures is not rolling out next week. The stated launch date is 2027. 2027. I mean, the macroeconomic landscape could look entirely different by the time this product even exists. Oh, absolutely. So for you listening, trying to figure out how this impacts your portfolio, it's like finding out the VIP section of your favorite club is finally opening to the public, only to discover the doors don't unlock for three years and there's a strict wealth-based dress code you likely don't meet.
17:30The structural barriers are incredibly resilient. And honestly, if we look at the entire narrative arc of our sources today, it paints a really vivid picture of risk, reward, and access. It really does. We started with the brutal reality of the public markets. New holdings demonstrated how macroeconomic fears, expectations of inflation, and rising yields following an election can instantly wipe out a quarter of a company's value. Regardless of its underlying performance. Right. Then we examined the counterweight to that vulnerability with Anthropic. Yeah, the S-1 filing revealed why a company would willingly subject itself to public market volatility.
18:08Because when you are staring down a$417 billion computing bill to win the AI arms race, the private market simply runs out of money. You are literally forced to execute the handoff to the public. And finally, we analyzed the structural consequence of companies delaying that handoff. Because businesses stay private for 11 years now, platforms like Revolut and Robinhood are attempting to build tunnels under the velvet rope. Right, trying to offer retail investors a chance to capture some of that pre-IPO growth. Exactly. And understanding this ecosystem, knowing where the velvet rope is placed, how the risk is handed off, and the mechanical difference between a lawn seat and a backstage pass is the only way to navigate modern wealth generation.
18:51It's vital. You have to recognize when you were being offered a genuine early stage opportunity versus when you were just being handed the bill for a tech giant's$417 billion server tab. Spotting that difference is the foundation of critical investing. But, you know, analyzing Revolut's push to democratize these private investments leaves me with one final incredibly provocative thought. Oh, let's hear it. It wasn't in our source material, but it is the logical collision of everything we've discussed today. Think about why the public market reacted so violently to the Brazilian election with new holdings.
19:27It was millions of highly liquid, reactive participants panicking at the exact same moment. Right. The private markets have historically been insulated from that kind of daily emotional volatility, specifically because they are illiquid and controlled by a very small, slow-moving group of venture capitalists. It's a controlled environment. Right. But if Revolut and Robinhood actually succeed in their mission, if they legally break down the velvet rope and flood these early stage private companies with massive amounts of reactive everyday retail capital, will the private market simply become just as volatile, just as reactionary, and just as expectation driven as the public market?
20:05Wow. By letting everyone into the VIP room, do you inherently ruin what makes the VIP room valuable in the first place? That is a phenomenal question to end on. It challenges the very definition of democratizing finance. If stability relies on exclusivity, then breaking the gates might just spread the chaos. It really might. Something for you to mull over as you watch the markets this week. Thanks for joining us on this deep dive. We'll see you next time.
Brazil voted, Nubank’s stock got overturned on review, and Anthropic dropped the S-1 that puts real numbers on a possible mega-IPO. We also dig into Revolut’s plan to sell private-company stakes inside its app and ask who actually gets through the velvet rope. Quick, data-heavy, and no hand-holding.



