In short
Dan Farah, director of Age of Disclosure, discusses alleged UFO/UAP evidence and a government “disclosure” shift, arguing the U.S. has long hidden non-human intelligent life and related technology.
Guest backgrounds
Dan Farah is the director and producer of Age of Disclosure, a documentary that interviews intelligence officials and lawmakers. The episode also references interviews with Marco Rubio and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, plus military figures like Cmdr. Dave Fravor.
Key claims
(1) An ~80-year cover-up of non-human intelligent life. (2) A classified “Legacy Program” involving CIA, Air Force, Department of Energy, and private defense contractors, kept from even sitting presidents via need-to-know. (3) UAP technology is described as localized “space-time warping” creating a bubble that defeats radar and makes photos/videos hard to capture. (4) UAP activity is framed as tied to nuclear/defense monitoring and an adversarial tech race (notably China and Russia). (5) Some UAP are said to be non-human tech; some are attributed to U.S. crash retrieval/reverse engineering.
Notable examples
The “Tic Tac” encounter described by Dave Fravor (sea level to ~80,000 feet, hovering, extreme energy claims); declassified “orb” phenomena; a reported football-field-sized craft over Vanderburgh Air Force Base with police reports; and a Roswell-related account (one craft, two crash sites, four non-human bodies, taken to Wright-Patterson AFB).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Age of Disclosure
4:28 to 6:45
Dan Farah discusses the importance of disclosing UFO information and its implications.
“Let's quickly, I want to show the trailer.”
Presidents and UFO Information
6:45 to 8:01
Revelation that sitting presidents are kept in the dark regarding UFO information.
“It's so rude that the president's on a need to know basis.”
Legacy Program and its Impact
8:01 to 11:01
Exploration of the Legacy Program and its role in UFO research and national security.
“Even that they say it's taxpayer money paying for like a fake program that billions go some, because you know, there's so many billions you just hear about flying around that who's keeping track of it all.”
UAP Technology Insights
11:09 to 14:00
Discussion on the characteristics and capabilities of UAPs witnessed by military pilots.
“So you use a thing called Canva to make it an even bigger and better thing.”
Tic Tac UAP Encounter
14:00 to 16:00
Learn about the pilot's experience with a UAP known as the Tic Tac shape.
“Well, before he retired, he was in the air.”
Transmedium Travel Explained
16:00 to 18:40
Discover how UAPs may travel between different mediums seamlessly.
“So the laws of physics that we live by and that our aircraft, you know, you know, operate within, they're irrelevant at that point to the craft in the bubble.”
Warping Space-Time and Radar Challenges
18:40 to 22:40
Understand the concept of warping space-time and its effects on radar detection.
“It was a very common thing that Allied fighter pilots experienced and encountered.”
Origins and Encounters with Non-Humans
22:40 to 27:00
Explore theories about the origin of UAPs and accounts of non-human beings.
“And even when I went like a few minutes past that, you start to feel it, right?”
Changing Perceptions of Reality
27:00 to 28:00
Discuss the implications of advanced technology on our understanding of reality.
The Challenge of Credible Evidence
28:00 to 29:39
Discussing the difficulty of presenting credible video evidence of UFOs in today's skeptical environment.
“well wait a minute spade from my sources at the grove uh what does spade do i'm on the chat rooms go ahead.”
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The Risks of Disclosure
29:40 to 31:40
Exploring the risks faced by individuals revealing information about UFOs and advanced technology.
“And they're doing it because they think it's important.”
Nuclear Sites and UAP Activity
31:41 to 33:55
Highlighting the ongoing UAP activity over nuclear weapon sites and its implications.
“They go, the government, because the government is on there saying we should know so we could tell the people.”
Eyewitness Accounts of UAPs
33:56 to 36:55
Sharing compelling eyewitness accounts from military personnel regarding UAP sightings.
“One of those particular stories you just mentioned in the film stands out to me as one of the more mind-blowing reveals out of the interviews I did.”
Theories on Alien Intentions
36:56 to 38:30
Discussing theories about the intentions of aliens based on their monitoring of human technology.
“He was in his airplane and he called it in.”
Theories on Alien Intentions
39:08 to 39:34
Discussing theories about the intentions of aliens based on their monitoring of human technology.
“Marvel Television's Daredevil, Born Again, streaming only on Disney+.”
Theories on Alien Intentions
39:37 to 40:00
Discussing theories about the intentions of aliens based on their monitoring of human technology.
“That's the energy State Farm brings to insurance.”
The Complexity of UAP Technology
40:01 to 42:00
Discussing the complexities surrounding UAP technology and the global implications.
“How about a creamy mocha frappuccino drink?”
Episode Discussion
42:00 to 56:00
“And he goes, without question, they would wipe the floor.”
Listener Engagement Information
56:00 to 56:21
Learn how to engage with the show through questions and comments.
“Eric Donnelly, Colin Gaynor, Sean Cherry, Kirk Courtney, and Lauren Vieira.”
Transcript
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2:16And I'm supposed to work for Netflix again next year. So I'm really vested in this. It really means a lot. Does it? Are you feeling?
2:24Dana Carvey:Well, it's also Larry Ellison of Paramount Pictures is not giving up and making a hostile bid, going to the shareholders and making a case at$78 billion. Our friend, Ted Sarandos, came in at$72 billion. I called him and I said, look, Ted, you got to up the ante. It's only$72 billion. Jump change. Go to$80 billion and get it done. Yeah, let's get with some real bucks in here. Actually, this is the funniest part because I don't text Ted that much. And this is so dumb. So I thought it was funny. And that night when I heard about it, I got home and I go, hey, Ted, let me know if you need me to walk you through this merger.
3:07I thought that was funny. and he said okay i think i got it but i might call you later and uh he didn't but i will say i like the term hostile takeover i like angry takeover it's such a weird term hostile i know
3:20Dana Carvey:yeah just like we don't care that you don't want us to buy you we're just coming in guns a blazing it's aggressive the only other interesting story coming up was i heard a funny serve at the world cup not that funny but you know how they had all these cars there yeah oh yeah big deal they say every game is a super bowl that's how big the world cup is yes i saw that i bring it all over north america like different places you have a game here and then they just pick two teams you go here so one of the odd situations was egypt and iran got picked to go to seattle and it's That's the only World Cup that's the pride match.
4:03Dana Carvey:Oh, my goodness. So what are they going to do? Egypt and Iran? I don't know. How'd that game go? Well, it's coming up. It's coming up next time. Oh, it's coming up? Okay. Must-see TV. Yeah, that's a good must-see one. I think out of all of them, that would lead to a little prickly situation. How's Mount Fordo? I took it out. No more. All right. Let's get to Dan. I mean, enough of us. Dan Farah. is the director. And let's get him in here. Let's quickly, I want to show the trailer. Yeah, let's show the trailer. Because that'll just orient you to what? It's a quick trailer. You'll see what's going on.
4:44Then we go right into Q &A. All right, here we go.
4:53Dana Carvey:We've had repeated instances of something operating in the airspace over restricted nuclear facilities, and it's not ours. These are otherworldly things that are performing maneuvers that haven't been seen. Look at that thing. There's a whole fleet of them. I have seen with my own eyes non-human craft and non-human beings.
5:16Dana Carvey:This is so secret. There have been very few people in our entire government that have been allowed or provided access to it. Even presidents have been operating on a need-to-know basis. But that begins to ramp out of control. It's not acceptable to have secret parts of government that no one ever sees. People have been hurt protecting and hiding this information. Some people claim it would cost them their lives if they spoke out about these things. You had information being locked away that could change the trajectory for species.
6:05Dana Carvey:This is the biggest discovery in human history. I did all the violin work. Well done. Dan, this is Dan Fair, the director. Dan will get right at it. Dana and I watched this. And mind-blowing. One of the quick, interesting things is presidents are temporary employees. They don't even get as much information as people under them. Is that true? Yeah. So one of the big reveals in the film is that this has not only been covered up from the public and from congressional oversight, but it's been kept from sitting presidents and that they're treated as being on a need to know basis. Marco Rubio actually breaks that down in the film, which is pretty extraordinary.
6:49Huh. It's so rude that the president's on a need to know basis. That would be offensive if I was president. So is it?
6:57Dana Carvey:Yeah, it's in the documentary. There's the CIA and then this program called the Legacy Program. Or we have a sense of an idea of who these people are that carry this information? Yeah, so in the film, a number of the intelligence officials I interviewed revealed that there is this deeply hidden UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program that's referred to as the Legacy Program. And they break down the elements of government that are involved in it. So it involves elements of the CIA, the Air Force, the Department of Energy and private U.S. defense contractors. And Rubio breaks down how it's the permanent bureaucracy within those elements of government that gatekeep this information and keep it from elected officials and even sitting presidents.
7:50And the view is that sort of simply put, those elected officials come and go, whereas the permanent bureaucracy can stay there for 10, 20, 30 years. Sure. Even that they say it's taxpayer money paying for like a fake program that billions go some, because you know, there's so many billions you just hear about flying around that who's keeping track of it all. And if this is keeping this alive, where they're doing reverse engineering and working on these spacecraft, it's, it's so mind boggling to people because every person in this was their 24 interviewed, all have real jobs or not. That's not some crazy lumberjack in Oregon.
8:26It's like, we are guys saying we not only we know they're there, it's just a fact everyone's just like obviously we start with they're here so what are we doing with them how are we trying to get the technology how are we trying to keep it from other countries some people say we should all know what's going on but others say well if it gets in the wrong hands it could really kill us off yeah so i mean the two the two biggest reveals that came out of all my interviews are one the interview subjects reveal very clearly that there's been an 80-year cover-up of the existence of non-human intelligent life and two that elements of the u.s government notably those those elements we just talked about that are involved in the quote-unquote legacy program um are they are deeply involved in a high-stake secret cold war race with adversarial nations most notably china and russia and um fear of information um uh the wrong information getting out is one of the things that has kept all this locked down.
9:28But we're now at a place where the stakes are so high for this technology race that everyone I interviewed felt it was imperative that the general public in the U.S. learn the base facts of this and know it's real so that more resources can be put towards winning this race. And the scientific community and academia can come to understand that it's a valid area of inquiry, that it's a real situation that their brainpower should be put towards. Because right now, we're in a technology race and 99 % of the scientists in the United States don't even know the situation's real. And that's the battle.
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11:40Dana Carvey:what you like when as the director and you have your prep your research and your idea to do this what as you're interviewing and it's coming together, what was the stuff that you kind of went, holy shit? Well, I mean, one of those holy shit moments for me right off the bat was realizing, we live in a time where Democrats and Republicans in this country don't seem to agree on anything, right? Everyone is sure. I agree with that statement. Very safe to say. Yeah, generally that's the overall outlook. However, the leaders of both parties in our country are completely aligned on this. And to the extent that it was really shocking to experience firsthand, you know, the you know, I interviewed Marco Rubio on the same day in the same room that I interviewed Kristen Gillibrand from New York.
12:32You know, two people who are ideologically, politically opposed to each other. And they could not have been more in lockstep on how significant this is, how the base facts need to come out, their understanding of the lay of the land. They were completely in sync. And they went out of their way to tell me how bipartisan and serious this issue is.
12:53Dana Carvey:Yeah, that's what made it very credible and very interesting because you are hearing from these people. You wouldn't. It's why would they bother? Yeah. In recent times, in the last 10 years, we've seen pilots seeing objects moving in ways that don't make any sense, you know. And so this kind of completes the idea of it or what people think. But is it more like where are the aliens? Or for you, is it like this technology may be in the wrong hands or if it gets in the wrong hands? and describe how would you describe the technology besides the speed and how they move around? I've got a mind-blowing answer, Dan.
13:35Dana Carvey:Yeah, go. Is this true? It said one of these spacecraft has 100 times the daily power generated in the USA. So what that's referring to is there's a part of the film where Commander Dave Fravor, famous Navy fighter pilot, very senior guy. He was talking about a UAP he encountered while he was on active duty. Well, before he retired, he was in the air. He was on a mission. He was in his fighter jet and he encountered a UAP that is known as the Tic Tac Shape UAP. The New York Times ran a big story about this in 2017. And he was describing the flight performance characteristics of this UAP, what he saw it do with his own eyes and what his data collection systems on his airplane were confirming this thing was doing.
14:31And one of those performance characteristics it displayed is it could hover just above the ocean, basically sea level, and then instantly shoot up to 80 ,000 feet, which is where you go into space. And then it could hover there and then come right back down. and it did this all day for hours. And the energy required to do that once to go instantly from sea level to 80 ,000 feet at the speed that it did is that huge number you just said. One of the scientists in the film said it was like the electrical, it was like the energy output of the entire United States for a week or something like that.
15:14It was the exact quote, but it was some. And how fast they go through water. Yeah. And then the same speed through water, which sounds impossible. Yeah. So this technology allows that allows UAP to do what's referred to as transmedium travel, where you, they can go effortlessly from space to the air, to the ocean, which we don't have any, we don't have any vehicles that can do that. We can't even get our heads around it. They travel in a bubble. That was very interesting, Dan. So now they realize here's like a triangle object. It has a bubble around. So that's the radar goes around it. That's where they can't pick them up.
15:50Yeah. So one of the huge breakthroughs that is revealed in the film, several of the senior scientists that I interviewed who worked on classified UAP programs for the government, they reveal uh the breakthrough technology that they have realized is is the the the key component to how uap work and essentially to put it in the most simple terms um which admittedly aren't there's no real simple way to say it but the simplest way to say it is they are they are they're warping space time in a localized area they are creating an immense amount of energy in a specific area around the craft and essentially they're creating a bubble around the craft and that bubble separates the craft from the environment around it.
16:35So the laws of physics that we live by and that our aircraft, you know, you know, operate within, they're irrelevant at that point to the craft in the bubble. The craft is completely separated from our environment and it's in its own space time. Right. And so that technology, that technological breakthrough explains everything we've been observing. so in the bubble the craft could be you know going at a leisurely pace and and from the outside it looks like it's doing these impossible speeds um we see it going from space to air to water and we're like how does that work but for for the for the craft in the bubble the environment has no impact on it it's just moving seamlessly through it and you know we wonder why we can't get these things great on radar well the bubble explains that the radar emits radar towards an object and it's supposed to bounce back to the radar emitter and that's how that's how radar works but in in the case of these crafts the radar just bounces around the bubble and keeps going it never goes back to the radar emitter and so that answers the question of why it's so hard and then it even answers age-old questions like why is it so hard to get a photo of of uap you know we all have cameras we all have 4k cameras with our iphones how can we take photos every video is bad yeah and it's like because you're it makes sense though because you're taking a photo or a video through a space-time barrier.
17:58It's the equivalent of, you know, try taking pictures of fish that are in the ocean from above the ocean. It doesn't work out. You're going through a different medium. It's going to be all distorted. Even if it was like a koi pond and they're like right there, you can see them with your eyes. If you go to take a picture, it's all distorted. Right, right, right. Because you're taking it through a different medium. And so it's the same concept. The bubble around the craft is essentially a barrier. and um you know now is our our um camera systems um on and our and our and our and our uh other data collection systems on our fighter craft become more advanced they're starting to capture video of these things we can actually see the bubble around the craft crazy some of the uap videos that have been declassified and made public you can actually see it now that you know what to look for you can see the the distortion around the craft is that when they show orbs like when orbs are like getting shelled in the east coast and for a long time you go they actually look circular and sometimes you see them floating around and you never know if it's real or not but you see them in someone's backyard even or just in their neighborhood they're perfectly circular and you don't know what's going on yeah the orbs the orb phenomenon is certainly associated it's it's all you know one in the same and orbs have been seen all over the world since world war ii And during World War II, fighter pilots saw them so much, they made up a nickname for them.
19:24They called them Foo Fighters. It was a very common thing that Allied fighter pilots experienced and encountered. Orbs are seen all over the world on a regular basis. And, you know, there's still a lot of questions around them, but orbs might simply just be another form of, you know, warping space-time in a localized area. It might just be a means of travel.
19:48Dana Carvey:and around yeah could you reverse engineer this and talk to an astrophysicist or put it in ask ai like a craft that can do this 80 000 feet and go underwater and you know space time and all that what are the odds it's originating from earth or in our minds is it everywhere is it gets into religiosity almost like where the universe is so vast from what i understand it's really hot it's really big so but maybe they can go through a wormhole i mean what do you have any personal beliefs on on this or uh where did they originate from or is it from the middle of the earth it's so because they're in the sea yeah moon the so the people the people i interviewed a number of them go on the record confirming that this technology is not not made by humans there have been yeah crashes that have been recovered there have been the people i interviewed go on the record saying that in some cases the crashes included, the recoveries of the crashed UAP included the bodies of non-humans, right?
20:52So they're putting it on the table that we know there have been non-humans in these crafts, right? Now, in terms of where they're from, look, there's no one I spoke to had a definitive answer, but all things were on the table. A number of the people in the film shared essentially the possibilities, which is extraterrestrial um interdimensional is something that's discussed amongst these people as wild and far out as that sounds uh and then another scenario that's talked about is maybe they've been here all along and they just they were here before us right i feel like that's true yeah we keep finding these hieroglyphics and ancient things and you just go this some stuff is starting to not make as much sense as it used to and you have to re-question everything because you just told one thing and just go yeah you got your blinders on and if you start to dig you go wait a second is this possible that we're just a blip of all time and it's just been a lot happening before and after yeah i mean this goes back to roswell where that was the first time they covered it up and then they started going that's what happens you tell one line and so there were like i think two or three that crashed in roswell or their pieces there's two bodies maybe uh there was um there was well with the guys in my film you know the guy yeah the guys in my film go on the record saying it was actually uh um one craft that crashed into two pieces two crash sites and there were four and there were four non-human bodies in there and the and the people in my film go on the record saying that the the craft the recovered elements of the craft and the bodies were taken to right pat air force base in ohio um where at the time uh the army air corps which became the air force um had their best reverse engineers which is why why everything went there do we have anything now that we've taken from craft involving like even iphones or or how is technology i i had heard other things where there's a trade-off they're like we will you you can learn from this all right did you go into anything you didn't go anything about alien abductions on this but no i say i i did i did i did learn that there's a reality to that that topic but i didn't include it in the film um for a couple reasons a i needed to make tough choices on on what to cut and what not to cut to get into a a runtime that wouldn't wouldn't put people to sleep you know um you had to keep it around like i'm at one the run times at one hour and 50 minutes right now.
23:24And even when I went like a few minutes past that, you start to feel it, right? Like the version that was 154 felt a few minutes too long, you know? And - Oh yeah. It's like movies when you do a movie. Yeah, you tell them when you go, people give up after a while.
23:39Dana Carvey:Well, it's dense in a good way. There's a lot of information coming at you on this thing. And it gets better as it goes along. You sort of get your bearings, you figure out who everyone is. Yeah. And you start telling yourself, you go, I think I've heard that. it and then it gets ramps up and you start getting scared. And the third act was scary. Did the non-human, I'm assuming there's no pictures of them, but did anyone ever go on record or describe what a non-human looked like? Are they grays? Are they like three foot grays or reptilians? So we don't get into what non-human beings have looked like in the film.
24:22But I will say that conversations I've had with people who have had encounters, the reference point they have used in the conversations with me is the non-humans in close encounters being very accurate to what they saw. which you know is pretty it's a pretty fascinating thing because um you know they were they were it's an amazing movie it inspired my curiosity in the topic for sure and um you know uh steven had uh had some consultants working on him with that who were aware of a lot of facts back then so right like off the record facts like they those kind of movies it's funny they seem to know more when in the future you go oh they must have known something back then because like you probably know a lot more than people are going on camera and saying.
25:13Then they tell you, I don't want to say this on camera, but there's actually way more happening. And you probably know a lot of that stuff. So go ahead and say it. And there's...
25:26That's fine. That's cool. Just me and Dana here. But I'll tell you, the other movie makes me think a lot about everything I've learned is The Abyss. You know, watch the abyss again now with all this information about the activity that happens under our oceans. I do wish I had more time in the film to go into what's been happening in our oceans. our oceans. A number of the Navy officials I spoke to went on the record with me telling me about
26:04super concerning activity under the oceans, like giant crafts the size of football fields flying by our submarines at thousands of miles an hour, being caught on sonar and on radar. It's terrible. Wasn't that a mission impossible? It sounds like stuff out of science fiction for sure, 100%. But what's so wild about this whole situation is, you know, we're quickly getting to a place where the things that seemed like science fiction just five, 10 years ago are reality now. It's real. Even stuff that's publicly known, think about it. Like even stuff that's publicly known that is being talked about that has nothing to do with UAP.
26:46just scientific breakthroughs that are being talked about in the last few years 10 years ago that would have sounded like science fiction you know we're rapidly progressing technologically
26:53Dana Carvey:at an unimaginable rate yes i think um are you invested heavily in ai stocks or how's your portfolio doing yeah
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27:09Dana Carvey:has doing this kind of changed you in a way i mean as it this journey um because it it's such an interesting topic and there's real stuff around it and i'm fascinated by it and there's been in you know alien civilizations and maybe more column casual documentaries about this over the years this is the first one that seemed very com for comprehensively serious about it without pushing narratives that heart just going here's the the information i just wonder as it has it changed you doing this i mean because if you really think aliens are here and they're advanced and they're kind of scary or maybe they'll be benign it's just a different way to walk around on the planet yeah yeah they is the word they're here walking around um no one i interviewed said that to me no oh wow no i know more than you then well wait a minute spade from my sources at the grove uh what does spade do i'm on the chat rooms go ahead.
28:09Now, I feel like they're kind of might be around, but I don't know. I mean, anything from last year on ring doorbells, anything where people are capturing anything on video is written off. Now, once AI comes, it's almost like planned because now you can't believe that stuff as much as you would. And that's scary too, because one in five is probably real. And the first comment is always AI. You bring up a great point though. And I've, I've said this in a couple of interviews recently, which is we live at a time where you can put a 4k video of a giant UFO taken from a security camera on a serious military base.
28:50You can put that on the nightly news on like Fox and CNN at the same time, make a big deal out of it. And half of the human population will say it's AI and that it's made from some visual effects studio in Hollywood. And so that's a challenging time to live in where even actual real video evidence will be viewed as BS. And that's why I think this film is so significant and why I'm so glad it came together because this is 34 people with incredible resumes putting their name and their reputation on the line to share what they lawfully can with the public. about this extraordinary stuff and the reality of this situation.
29:33And I think that is the best evidence at this point in human history that we can have. Because video is the idea of, you know, credible video is a compromised thought, right? It doesn't really exist. But people who hold security clearances and want to keep them so they can provide for their families and, you know, people who have, you know, ambition to run for president one day and people who want to stay in office, like they have a lot to lose going on camera, on the record, saying this stuff. And they're doing it because they think it's important. That to me is the most compelling. And they can get, they were saying in there, you don't want to get the guy dies of four gunshots into the back of the head, suicide.
30:15Yeah, these people, a lot of these people took tremendous risk stepping up. Because this is such high dollar, high stakes. If they have the technology for these craft, that could they said it would cancel out they can your cars could you don't need oil you don't need coal you don't need batteries like these things can just if we have that and someone feels like they do i don't know if it's big corporations big companies hidden in china here but someone's working on that and in the movie they're saying we got to share it with the world because we could cure a lot of things we could fix a lot of problems so aren't we doing that but it also Also, you know, look, the movie, I think, does a really good job at filling people in on why it's so complicated of a situation and why there's different sides of the coin.
31:00So this technology that exists has pros and cons. It can be used to revolutionize the way we live. It could potentially solve the energy crisis. It could lead to interstellar travel and expanding our horizons. It could dramatically revolutionize our lives and change the trajectory of our species. But it could also be used to make weapons of mass destruction that are far more destructive and dangerous than nuclear weapons. And so that has sort of like that dilemma, I think, has sort of paralyzed the gatekeepers of this information because no one wants to pick a lane. I think the film shows that there is a valid argument for just making it a humanitarian issue and having it be the one thing that can unite all nations to tackle this and figure out a way forward that's in the best interest of mankind and doesn't cause problems.
31:55I think people get scared. They go, the government, because the government is on there saying we should know so we could tell the people. And then there's half the people that we don't trust that the government is going to do that and make sure we know everything. And obviously they're not right now. There seems like some good people on here that are trying. And there seems like there's some that are probably behind the scenes saying, we can't let this out and we're never going to and we don't want it to happen. Yeah. So I kind of get both sides. I think it's slowly coming out and the slower it's not bad that it's this slow because people have to get their head around it.
32:29And it's so complicated and a little scary. and to answer your earlier question that's the other that's the second reason i didn't include um topics that fall within this this issue um you know like that are a bridge too far for people like like getting into abductions and stuff like that i think it was really important that the film you know set the the base facts the lay of the land like a sequel one day and say okay you handled that now can you handle this level because we're probably it's tip of the iceberg like of what we know just this is so rudimentary in the real huge huge picture I thought one thing that was interesting was there was only one thing no I thought one of the things that was interesting was nuclear power plants nuclear missiles and all these generals these people that have legit jobs that their credibility is on lines eight they see it come there's a light there's an orb it comes over boom boom it starts knocking them out turning them all off and then they take off or the one flying next to the rocket and they have a video of it and it zaps the rocket and takes off and turns it off the activity of the uap activity over nuclear weapon sites is an ongoing issue that people might say and it's been going on since um since the 40s since we you know since the atomic race since we are messing with you know cracking the atom and atomic energy and as we've progressed technologically and harnessing energy, the UAP activity over sites related to nuclear energy has increased.
34:06One of those particular stories you just mentioned in the film stands out to me as one of the more mind-blowing reveals out of the interviews I did. There was a UAP event at Vanderburgh Air Force Base, which is, you know, we're all in LA right now. That's just about two hours up the coast. It's right around Santa Barbara. So not far.
34:27Dana Carvey:I'm close to it. Yeah. Oh, you're close to it. Yeah. So, you know, not far. And I interviewed a couple of the Air Force security guards who, you know, were trusted to guard this classified military base where there's weapons of mass destruction. And they witnessed with their own eyes one day a bright light coming off the coast, coming from the Pacific Ocean towards the base, which is right on the coast. And at first they thought it was an airplane coming their way because they saw a bright light, but as it got closer, the light faded, and it was this giant black craft that was the size of a football field and rectangular.
35:03And it had no lights, no windows, no visible means of propulsion and it just hovered over them. And they all just looked up with, you know, in awe at what they're looking at. And then it just shot off at thousands of miles an hour up the coast. And what's wild is when you hear multiple people describing the same thing, in separate interviews in detail. And then you get all the full context. You know, they've never spoken up publicly about this. They kept it to themselves. They didn't try to like, it wasn't a story they were out there peddling to try to get rich or famous. It was a process for me to like make them comfortable going on camera in this film.
35:41Wasn't an easy, you know, decision for them. They shared with me the police blotter, the actual Air Force police reports that had come in with all the details. it all lines up and you know that's just so extraordinary you know put yourself in the shoes
35:55Dana Carvey:of uh you know well that's a life-changing event if you see a giant spacecraft in the sky and then yeah there was one over phoenix like that years ago and our governor came out like in the 90s yeah probably probably a mile it had it had it's just like lights like this and so everyone thought it was this it was a bunch of little ships but then it was slowly moving they go oh there's a light over there oh it's all the whole mass is one piece yeah like a mile and for 45 minutes it went slowly went over and they said it was a joke and then later barry uh or uh i think whoever the uh governor's yeah i said yeah it i was on camelback mountain i saw it was real it was yeah he couldn't Yeah.
36:43You know who the first pilot was? The first person to call that in was coincidentally, it was Kurt Russell. Oh, that's right. I've heard this story. Kurt Russell the actor. Yeah. He was in his airplane and he called it in. Wild.
37:01Dana Carvey:Yeah. There was one up here about a week ago. My son took a picture of it, just lined up little lights for so many miles didn't really make any sense yeah yeah i could send you the photo but i do yeah i mean i guess i you know i've seen all these science fiction films and i i love close encounters in 2001 and it's if if this these people these entities these aliens are studying at us they're either going over vanderburg seeing where we're at oh we can still handle them no big deal or they're trying to i can handle these or they're trying to protect us You know, maybe this is the time we get rid of their toys.
37:41Dana Carvey:Or do you have any theory about that in your brain of like, what are they up to? We can't know, but, you know. Well, the leading theory on intention amongst the people I interviewed, we unpacked this some in the film. You remember the leading theory is that they're paying attention to our nuclear progress and our defense capabilities and monitoring that closely because we are either already there technologically in our hidden programs and doing what they're doing, or we're on the verge of doing what they're doing and they're concerned about us. That's the leading theory because the majority of attention is to our nuclear progress and our defense capabilities.
38:28And so if you put yourself in the context of a more advanced, technologically advanced species, you know, there's the most logical scenario is they're monitoring our progress to the point where they would have to contend with us. And then they're monitoring our defense capabilities to see what sort of problems they might encounter with us. And that's the most logical, you know, as one of the intelligence officials, Christopher Mellon, the film says, you know, number one priority of life, you know, writ large throughout the universe is survival yeah where is daredevil a minor don't miss the return of marvel television's daredevil born again so what's next i've been liberated we're gonna take this city back over medicaid in an all new season now streaming only on disney plus
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40:00Dana Carvey:Tomorrow morning is knocking. Stock your fridge now. How about a creamy mocha frappuccino drink? Or a sweet vanilla? Smooth caramel, maybe. Or white chocolate mocha. Whichever you choose, delicious coffee awaits. Find Starbucks frappuccino drinks wherever you buy your groceries. Do you agree with Stephen Greer? You know, Dr. Stephen Greer, you might have heard of him along the way, but we had him on a couple, two years ago. He said that there's some black ops, some hidden places that are building this and reverse engineering. And a lot of the ones we see are made by us. Have you heard any of that?
40:33Yes. I mean, look, one of the intelligence officials in my film goes on the record saying that some of the UAP we see are non-human intelligent technology. The technology of non-human intelligent life. And then some is the product of our retrieval and crash, our retrieval and reverse engineering program. And some is adversarial technology from their reverse engineering program. So there's three sets of circumstances that are all playing out at the same time. Nuts.
41:10Dana Carvey:So a spaceship crashes, they get a hold of it and they try to reverse engineer the technology. It's got to be an expensive piece of machinery that people want. My God. I mean, the lands in China, they get it. I mean, oh, wow. So some of the intelligence officials break down in the film how there are recovery teams in position in various parts of the world that can quickly get to a crash site, recover it, classify all the materials recovered, classify the fact that the mission even happened. And they're extremely well organized. And, you know, as one of the intelligence officials says in the film, very, very specifically, he very specifically says nothing would stop any country from going after one of these one of these recoveries, whether it's in their in their country or not.
42:04um yeah they all want of course yeah so it's uh it's pretty wild and that gets you thinking you know every time you see uh you know from time to time you see these stories like you know multiple military countries militaries end up in the same area of the ocean doing some unexplainable you know activity and makes you wonder what's really going on you know what gave me the chills just one quick dana where he says the guy's on he's testifying one of the i think whistleblowers And he says, when you see all this stuff and you know what's going on and you think they would be a threat to us, could we defend ourselves?
42:40And he goes, absolutely not. Everyone goes, holy shit. And he goes, without question, they would wipe the floor. There's nothing we can do to them. There's nothing. So that's good in a way where you go, they could do what, if they're here, they could do whatever they want. And they're just kind of monitoring and snooping around. And hopefully, I don't know. But do you believe there's any places on the moon? There's any buildings? There's any bases? I didn't get into that, to be honest with you, with anyone. Yeah, I mean, it is an hour and 50.
43:16Dana Carvey:Are you going to make another one? Yeah, you might have to, just for me. We're all hoping that stuff, that more whistleblowers come out and stuff kind of comes out. Of course, the public would want to know. And I think this documentary has kind of stoked it up. I guess you built over time and all of a sudden it was really in the ether, age of disclosure, beating out, you know, getting huge numbers. So that must have been really satisfying. Yeah, number one on Amazon. Yeah, that's a big deal. That means people care. They're interested. Absolutely. Yeah, I'm really proud. We're within a couple days of releasing.
43:50We released on November 21st. And within the first 48 hours, we broke the record for bestselling documentary ever on Prime Video. And in those first 10 days release, we were the number one and number two, the rental option and the purchase option. We're each the number one and number two bestselling movies on all Prime Video out of all movies. And we were outperforming, you know, big studio movies, which was definitely one battle after another. Very satisfying. Yeah, one battle after another, Jurassic Park Rebirth, The Conjuring. We outperformed all these films in the first 10 days in that critical week of Thanksgiving week where everyone's home.
44:30So, yeah, I'm really grateful for that response and humbled to see it break through like that. You guys long worked in mainstream Hollywood like I have. And I'll tell you, every single major distributor and every major streamer passed on this film. I premiered it at South by Southwest. Classic tale. I love it. Yeah. I premiered it at South by Southwest Film Festival in March. We opened opening weekend at the Paramount Theater, the biggest theater they have. 1100 seats. I played that. Yeah. Totally packed, lying around the block, standing ovation, whole nine yards. It all went great. It was an amazing, amazing opening.
45:10the trailer launched with like 20 million organic views which is beyond unprecedented for a doc and you know excitedly went and shared it with all the all the major distributors and streamers and they all had great things to say but then they all they all had great things to say but then they passed and and now they're mad because look at the money it's bringing in look at that now they're now they they missed out but i think we were living in a time where the major studios and the streamers are just staying away from anything that's controversial, you know,
45:44Dana Carvey:anything that could in any way impact them politically. And I think that's unfortunate. But I also think we're living in a time, thank God, where there's all this great, you know, these great platforms like podcasts and civilian journalism that is still bringing attention to this stuff that you know legacy media is ignoring yeah yeah yeah and the people obviously are interested it's an apolitical film yeah that's the irony because it is you know i don't know if it's ironic or bizarre or whatever but first time both parties have chimed in on like the same film or the same documentary so that i i mean in in recent memory uh so but thanks man that's very interesting dane anything else you want to ask i just uh when i reached i just ordered a a really superstar telescope um based on oh for real because you're out there we can see yeah oh yeah i see a night sky out here there's no ambient light it's stunning but yeah it's fascinating and congratulations and thanks for doing it it's really really interesting and it was great thank you to watch so um i guess we'll just all be kind of more interested in this area yeah i think my hope is that the film just makes the average person out there the public realize that this is a real situation that everyone needs to be aware of.
47:04And then eventually that will, that will lead to the public pushing its elected representatives everywhere, all over the world to be more transparent about this. And I think it's only a matter of time before we, we get to a place where a sitting president in the U S steps to the mic and, and tells the world definitively, we're not alone in the universe, the base facts. I think this film really sets the stage for that i wouldn't be surprised if it happened sooner than later um anyway dana will do
47:34Dana Carvey:it yeah there you go we're gonna make a big announcement excuse me we're gonna make it we know how to make it we're gonna tell a lot of people about a lot of things you're not gonna believe it you're gonna you're gonna believe it and many people are saying and if you look at it and you think about it what is it i'm not good all right dan thanks buddy uh uh we'll look for out there and we'll look for a sequel one day thanks for coming on appreciate it appreciate the sport guys well that was interesting um yes that's it was a lot like i watched it and i it was sort of building up and i was like oh boy and i was watching before i went to bed so i i stopped it of course because i'm a total puss we're just scared i was just getting a little weirded out scared yeah they say some stuff and they're like so uh and i kind of buy into it anyway and so by the way i'm scared of it but i do want to know about it it's a definitely a intriguing fascinating area uh and if they if the aliens that are you know zooming around stuff if they are potentially some of them are fans of this podcast yeah i'll just say i'm not afraid of you this is my message for you aliens bring it on yeah i say i say rack them i haven't said rack them in a while too i would i would say it to them uh but uh but ultimately it was worth it i did rent it i guess you could rent or buy i rented it just on a whim and uh i think it's it's worth the watch and thanks dan for coming on and uh i was going to wrap up but i do want to say dana by popular demand we definitely want to do this buzzing around segment because i work on these for months we have to think of comedy scenarios into this okay okay i wrote some names down all right hold on i went into your arsenal hold on what do you have to do i'm just going to tell you well i'm going to write them down go ahead oh okay i can't see you anymore i gotta find i know hang on oh there you are yikes oh you showed up on camera by the way the the stuff was so technological when dan was talking i could tell i understood it and you didn't but that was fine i'll tell you more about later what i mean i yeah i i fell asleep with my eyes open twice you were like i don't know what's going on i couldn't understand a thing you kept getting in there they have a lot of physicists on there they they're smarter they're like that that kind of lost me because they know what they're talking about yeah okay here we go your scenario because i have to go with nicky glazer to the caesar's palace in january oh yeah is vegas and it's a card game any actually any anything in the casino okay and uh liam neeson and michael cain this is going to be buzzing around this is our segment sponsored by five hour energies bless you new gingerbread snap flavor it is the season for tasty caffeine with five don't start yet with five hour energy shots that bring the festive vibes anywhere with a portable resealable two ounce shot head to your local retailer amazon or www.5hourenergy.com to order yours today so you have your instructions i'll try Start when you are ready.
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51:02Dana Carvey:I'd like for you to hit me. What do you mean? What do you mean hit you? Well, I'd like another coat because I'm showing a 16, and I don't think I'll win with this, so you've got to hit me. Oh, you're going to hit on 16? All right. I've got skills I've acquired to make me a nightmare for a hitting man like you. Do you know who I'm doing? That's good. Liam Neeson. Liam Neeson. From Taken. From Taken, yes. And he's still angry. He's mad about everything, usually. I totally busted. You screwed me over. You should have denied me the card. You can't blame me. I have skills I've acquired that make me a nightmare.
51:45Dana Carvey:I heard that part. And it's boring the second time. What about you, Bill Clinton? Well, I've got two queens. And I've got three aces. That's called the full house. We're not playing poker, you fool. You can't wait at 21 when you're playing poker, you bloody fool. You're out of your mind. I like this tracking. Oh, look. Who's there? It's Paul McCartney. Oh, in the casino. Well, you look like you're having a lot of fun. He's playing poker. He's playing 21. I say we start all over and we play tiddlywinks. Tiddlywinks, it's very popular and people seem to like it. I don't know. What about Kerplunk?
52:37Dana Carvey:Kerplunk. My name is Kerplunk. Do you know Kerplunk? It's an old game you can play. Oh, Kerplunk? Do you know what tiddlywinks is? Yeah. I'm not really old, but I've heard that. I got this. Here's what Liam Neeson also says. when Michael Caine says, I'm going to hit on 16. He goes, good luck. It's a little Jason Stratham going in there. You know, when the guy calls on Taken and he can't find his voice, he goes, he plays it back and he hears the guy go, because he goes, I'm going to find you. And the guy goes, good luck. He will kill you. Let's make Jason Stratham the dealer. What's his name? Statham.
53:22Dana Carvey:Yeah. So I've just sat down. I have a cocktail. And I just want to know, are you the one dealing the cards? Are you the dealer? I'm the beekeeper. And I keep the bees. But are you also, I know you're a beekeeper, but are you also the dealer? I'm only doing this undercover. Well, shouldn't he say, I'm the dealer? I'm the dealer. I've got all the cards. And if I hit you, you might not get up. This thing's falling apart. I like how you brought me into it, though. I brought you into it. I bring Bill Clinton in. I like cards. I've always loved cards. I like getting hit on by cards. And it's a beautiful thing.
54:15Dana Carvey:Getting hit on. I'm good at hitting on people. But I thought he'd go, I'm the dealer and I deal cards. Like it's some war movie or something. Oh, I deal the cards. I deal the cards because I'm the dealer. Get it? Jesus. A little bit of a, I don't know if I like my part in this. Well, I don't know. Maybe this one discombobulated. No, I liked it. But that's the fun of it. That was buzzing around. Sponsored by 5-Hour Energy's new gingerbread snap flavor. Feel your holiday hustle with as much caffeine as a 12-ounce premium cup of coffee and zero sugar. available in stores, Amazon, or online at www.5hourenergy.com.
54:57Dana Carvey:That's 5hourenergy.com. Oh, you're still going. Good job. Okay, that's good. And then thanks for watching, everybody. Thanks for watching the show or listening to the show. I hope you enjoyed it. I did, and we'll see you next week, like you said.
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Dana and David kick things off with the big stuff: the potential Netflix–Warner Bros. merger—and the very bold text David sent Ted Sarandos about it. Then they sit down with director-producer Dan Farah to unpack his hit documentary The Age of Disclosure, the SXSW standout that went on to become Amazon Prime Video’s highest-grossing documentary ever. Farah walks the guys through the filmmaking process, the questions that still linger, and which films—like Close Encounters and The Abyss—surprisingly get the phenomenon right. And don’t miss the lively “Buzzing Around” segment after the interview. (You can check out Dan's doc at https://www.primevideo.com/detail/The-Age-of-Disclosure/0NVVP9AVUZEJKG9CJC4RQE9J27).
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