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23:41Dana Carvey:So, Christina, I have a question for you about your podcast. Yes. So has it gone unexpected places? Has it gone? Do you guys get emotional? Is it mostly light laughing or, or all of the above? It's, I mean, it's pretty light. I feel like there's, we've had people on who, I mean, really surprised me and can go so deep. And, you know, like, which I think is like, I'll, I'll write down names of, you know, self-help books and things. I mean, I just feel like we had Melora Hardin on recently and to talk about The Office and Jan on The Office and her. And she started talking about how she did Dancing with the Stars and like never, you know, which I hear from everybody who does Dancing with the Stars, that it becomes this transformative experience.

24:32And but she she was just like went into this place of just it's all about just like living life and bringing joy. And it was just very moving to me. And it's a surprising interview. I feel like there's, I've had many of those. I actually had you on twice and I heard stories that I hadn't heard before. Yes. I swear to God. After a long time. Like, I didn't know you had auditioned for whatever Al Pacino movie that you. Oh yeah. Author, author. Author, author. I had never heard that one. Did you get it? Get it? Sorry. Did I get it? I didn't get it. No. You know who got it? You didn't get it. You didn't get it.

25:14It's a very, I didn't get it. I got it. I got it.

25:18Dana Carvey:It's all I got. I just got it. No, it's an obscure one, by the way. I forget that movie exists. Yes. I remember it, though. But at the time, it was a big deal. Was it the 80s? It was the 80s. Yeah. Well, I guess the thing is, it's like whatever your ages are, it doesn't matter. Or in my particular situation, this is the first time it's a wake up call. like there's so much life behind you now, just massive decades. And of course, incredible achievements in your family. And so, you know, you just sort of take a moment and go, whoa, where are we now? What does this mean? It is sort of, I don't really call it, it doesn't have to be a crisis, but it's sort of a, that age you're talking about really, I'm sort of past it.

25:59Dana Carvey:I never had a midlife crisis. I don't know why. I had a botched bypass when I was 42. The guy had a bad day. Eeny, meeny, miny, moe. He got one out of two though. So that kind of woke me up. No. You never heard that story? Let's not go in. That's too much about me. Did you sue? Did you get a malpractice? I had to sue because he said, I think I did it all right. I didn't want to sue. If he'd said I had a bad day, I wouldn't have done anything. But he was, you know, he was - I always wonder about that because - We don't understand what the doctor's doing and who else is in the, like, how do you prove that a doctor screwed up when the doctor is the only one who has the knowledge of what he's doing i guess the nurses and people around well you can palpitate it even if the lights went out you know if you're trying to get a mammary artery this is great see how the podcast can go anywhere the mammary artery can bypass so it's like he sticks the hose to a branch not to the main trunk oh so he literally connected it to the wrong thing oh my god yes but it didn't harm me i I just had people praying.

27:05Dana Carvey:I don't know. So I've never had a problem since. And my cholesterol is literally 26 now. And it was 400. That's another story. Oh, my God. But that's super low. It suspends the idea of coronary artery plaque. You know, I know it's great talking about this. But my cardiologist, who's a scientist, and he was in Vienna. And I got on the phone and told him that he bypassed the wrong artery. and he talked to people at the convention in vienna of cardiologists all over the world and america and said oh yes i'd heard doctor was slipping so it becomes a conspiracy they're like gods and if people if there's first ad's basically they're going i don't know about that by the way dame that's what i'm saying is like if you're a nurse you're a high anesthesiologist and you're darting your eyes going he's fucking this up what is the ranking do you break rank and say hey man I think you're supposed to it's this thing to amputate it's like a first AD when Ben was maybe setting up cameras in Tropic Thunder and Jack Black goes I don't know should we tell him this shot is terrible but they let him do it anyway yeah that happens a lot with directors too as they go on in their careers nobody wants to tell them that it's not good I've done only a few shitty movies but every time they were shitty the least smart guy on the set was the director and I've had makeup artists that were the smartest person on the set no i'm telling you directing a movie is like it's like one of the jobs you can do without knowing anything at all because you can just let everybody else do their stuff yes yeah because the machine will work the machine will work around you don't you know impose what you want on it it'll just work all kind of automatically because they're just like people are so used to okay we set up the camera here we want and you say yes yes yes yeah yeah yes it makes total sense what is the scenario where the sometimes on movies the first ad or someone yells action instead of the director when is that that happens a lot i notice that a lot lately because i've been acting in a couple of things and the director hasn't been yelling action the things i've been working on and i kind of i i have mixed feelings about it first of all the word action is i think a kind of a misnomer because like what if you're doing a scene where you just have to be doing nothing yeah and then you say action and all of a sudden you feel like you're not doing anything action you know what i mean but seriously like it makes you it makes you tense so i've worked with directors like noah bomback who just say begin or you know like when you're ready and i kind of like that it's a little more like chilled out but then there is a thing yeah yeah yes but there is a thing where you know the director will have the ad yell action and cut and i've always felt as a director you should be the one to yell cut yeah because you know when you want to cut and sometimes directors cut too soon i think too you ever feel that when you're working that the director yeah of course you can find some gold when it guards down and they're kind of fucking around i mean even comedy especially does it what does what does clint eastwood say think he would kind of go you know that's enough he's you know he's famous for he's famous for having done just one or two takes everybody i've never worked with him but you and I think he's officially retired now.

30:23I'm not sure, but he's, you know, incredible. He's made so many movies. He's amazing. He would just do one or two takes, and all the actors basically have to be ready with what you got on that one. And if you ask for another take, he'll apparently will say, like, why?

30:37Dana Carvey:He did sort of a Brando move, according to Tom Hanks. He kind of, he's directing, but he's in the scene, and he's just walking on in the wide shot or whatever. Yeah, okay, what is it again? The script superhero goes, all right, all right, let's go get those guys. And then he immediately says his line. So he doesn't, he didn't remember his lines. He just would hear it and then say it. Right. I've done that too. Well, if you're directing an in it. And dodgeball, I could tell you were so in the pocket. The dodgeball. I love the macho. I love your macho care. Whatever that alpha male character. That's kind of one of my favorite characters that comedians do.

31:16Dana Carvey:Don't you find it? It's fun. Well, it's fun because it's so. coming from you it's just so it's so yes you get to take all of your like ideas of what it means to be like macho and then there's always the insecurity underneath it that's just there anyway mustache well it's hard to be in indirect it's got to be weird it's got to be i don't like doing it i don't do it anymore i used to do it a lot but i don't do it anymore because it's i think you can't do both things how fast i don't enjoy video village after you're seen i mean you get to a certain point where you don't want to go to Video Village.

31:49You don't want to see. You don't want to see what you look like. Oh, it's hard.

31:52Dana Carvey:Well, sometimes directors undercut you. All right, let's go watch it in Idiot Village. I go, Idiot Village? I thought it was okay. God. I never heard that. Idiot Village. Well, I just made it up, but it sounded funny. That's a good name for it, Idiot Village, because when I'm directing, I don't like Video Villages, because I think it's created for people to watch. As an actor, you tell me what you guys think. As an actor, I don't like that there's like 40 people watching. Prouded around. No. Agents, managers, lawyers. Any guests, yes. Every 10 % are in the world. Put them in a spillover, Idiot Village.

32:37I'm going to call it Idiot Village for now. Yeah, there should be one that's not nearby. Also, it's not a village. It's not a village.

32:46Dana Carvey:And it's not a village. A village should be festive and you can buy donuts and there's a windmill. I mean, it's a stupid tent. It's a tent. I go to Video Village. I don't know who 30 % of people are. I'm like, why are they watching mine and going, I don't know? Oh, God, that is incredible. Maybe one more. Look at that research. Look at mine. Look at that research. It took me two and a half minutes off Wikipedia. Incredible. It typed mine. credit yes david's right way i can remember it and also you're going to be out in a courtney cox film evil genius in september oh and that is true that is true i forget about that one yes i like the title you're on the show that was a great fun cox is just cool right she's super cool and i i'll be really honest she caught she called me called me that was actually funny too i was I didn't even realize I had Courtney Cox's number in my phone because it came up as Courtney Cox.

33:49So she called me. And I didn't get the number. I think maybe I didn't think it was her. I don't know. I didn't pick up. She sent a text saying, is this still you? And I said, yes. So I called her back. And she directed this film that she's been trying to get made for a while. It's based on a true crime documentary on Netflix called Evil Genius, which was set in like the early 2000s. And it's one of those, you know, it's like a bank robbery kind of goes wrong. And then there's all this fallout that you find out like so many people in this little town. I believe it's in Pennsylvania. Anyway, we're involved in this kind of scheme, this sort of evil scheme.

34:39and it's true. And Patricia Arquette. That's a good way to pitch it without telling what actually happens. That's the idea.

34:47Dana Carvey:It's an evil scheme. It's got a good title. It's a little Scooby-Doo-ish. I'm intrigued. Courtney Cox is an interesting name. Did you ever have a character with the last name Cox in one of the Fokker's movies? Because it has that same... No, I'm Bill Cox. How are you? I'm Mr. Fokker. I'm Vicki V. China. We just did one. Where were you? Where were you to do jokes? We needed to. I can't believe you're someone named Cox. I mean, Courtney Cox. I mean, it sounds illicit, but it's absolutely tame. It's nothing. You know, it never ceases to amaze me how much enjoyment people do get from saying fucker.

35:25I know. And thinking it sounds like fucker.

35:27Dana Carvey:Who thought of that? That pun. That's a good question. Not Jim Carrey, is it? Was it out in the world, out in the ether? I heard some weird thing the other day on Instagram, and it was one of those who thought of it. I can't remember what they said. Well, Jim might have thought of it because Jim was originally going to do it before I did it. Oh, is that right? Maybe. Yeah. I think he was attached to doing it. I think Steven Spielberg was going to direct it at one point. That would have been interesting. It's had a long history. Yeah, yeah. Sorry, go ahead, David. I was going to say the other trivia I heard was you couldn't use Fockers unless you found one person named Fokker, at least one person.

36:06Right. I don't know if that's true. I think that you have to clear a name whenever you do a movie, but you have to make sure there's somebody who doesn't have the name. It's almost better you don't have the name when you're clearing names. Usually you have to say you can't bump with someone. Yes, that's what I thought it was, but I never heard that there actually, we had to prove that there was a Fokker. So you are not just making up a dirty name is what I think. That seems like weird,

36:24Dana Carvey:like a government thing. You have to prove it. It's almost like they just don't want you to make the movie. Now, you're going to call the movie The Fokkers? Is that, did I get that right? Did I get that right? The fuckers? Is that what you find funny? That sounds like a Republican senator. Senator John Kennedy. Oh, yeah, Kennedy. That's Kennedy. Yeah. Yeah. Your words, not mine. Now, the movie's called The Focker. He is out of a movie. Isn't that guy out of a movie? Oh, he's Ross Perot's cousin or something. Can I finish one time? I mean, they have that Southern, you know. My thing with those guys is, I think they go home and they drop the accent.

37:00It's totally, they just do it. Better to get clicks

37:03Dana Carvey:It is funnier He puts on his tie Alright I'll see you tonight honey I'm gonna go hunt me some congress people You said on Twitter I'm not wearing a tie I'm just pretending to tie it It's foghorn leghorn Yeah it is a little bit Oh yeah I did foghorn I did a Tina Fey cartoon For Netflix And I did Daniel Craig Who was doing foghorn leghorn why I don't appreciate what you're saying to me right here, right now. It's an easy accent. You guys are a good audience. Can you come back tomorrow? I'm your best audience, Dana. I'm your best audience. Give me the alpha male guy just for a second. What do you want to know?

37:49What do you want to know, Dana Carvey? Oh, look at me. I'm a funny guy with glasses.

37:54Dana Carvey:How do you get a voice like that? I don't know. It comes from down here. And then it goes away. very quickly. It looks like you're lip syncing to some other voice. It's amazing. It sort of goes back to a Tony Robbins. Yeah. The heavyweights. Yes. Heavyweights. What's your fucking problem? Tony Robbins. That's who you based heavyweights character on Tony Robbins. We did Tony Robbins on like the Ben Stiller show back in the day we did. Yeah. I remember I went on, we went on the Tonight Show and I was, I did a Tony Robbins impression on that show and Ben Stiller show, which like five people saw on Fox in 1993.

38:29And I was on the tonight show promoting it. They got the real Tony Robbins to, to hide behind the desk and jump out at me when I was doing the impression. And he's like six, nine. Yeah. He's gigantic with gigantic hands, right? Everything about it. I'm just imagining the segment producer pitching that idea when we were doing it. Like also, I haven't heard of that before. Or who was the host? When they go, hey, in the middle of your story, you don't know. So you're like, you know this. I think it was Leno. Yeah. And then he pops out and you're like, oh. Yeah.

39:05Dana Carvey:Yeah, I think it'd be great if we hang out a minute, you know, and Ben's out. It just really comes out and scares him. If you didn't get him down here. People like scares, you know? They love people getting scared, you know what I mean?

39:18Dana Carvey:I love Jay Leno. Oh, man. I do. Okay. You guys were in the dink together Oh yeah We produced the dink We had Jake We had Jake talk all about it Very nice smart guy Really explained the whole thing You produced it or one of the producers Yes Josh Greenbaum directed it Who I know very well He did a documentary on my ill-fated The Dana Carvey show He directed that That's right Which is a very good documentary Such a good documentary He's great. And he just directed the new Spaceballs. I know. He's really out there. Yeah. And Sean Clements wrote it, who's a great writer who I've been working with on a bunch of different things.

40:03And he had this idea for a pickleball movie. And it's kind of like it's interesting because it became this like interesting kind of friendship romance story with Mary Steenburgen and Jake. Oh, yeah. It's not quite what you would think. Right.

40:17Dana Carvey:Right. it's got a little it's a little different but it just kind of works she has such a charm about her that you just can you you kind of kind of get the whole thing yes did you say there's no pickleball in it what did you say that's kind of the twist we have sorry sorry guys sorry Ted Danson once in a while Ted no we mentioned it just in passing it's nothing about Mary she's great with okay I'll call you later bye that's impressive you have ted danson on your phone right as we brought up his wife yeah i know i get it you get it yes she was great she adds you know it's funny because she's just like got such a unique and like for me like kind of classic persona mary steenberg when you think about the comedy she's been in over the years you know yeah and um yeah and she's uh i don't know she was very charming in her shape.

41:09A lot of charming. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

41:12Dana Carvey:What was, okay, pop quiz. And Ed Harris, by the way. Ed Harris. Well, I'll see anything with Ed Harris in it. Less charm, less fun. Ed Harris. They're never at the same audition, I'll say that. He said, Ed Harris is in Dutton Ranch. Right. That's a shit show. You've seen him do press junkets? You like the show? Not really. Oh, yeah. No, he went off on Denton Ranch. They said I was going to be the lead. The fucking guys didn't even put me in the movie. I shouldn't say so much. You're on a red carpet. I saw that. I saw that. I appreciate the candor. I appreciate the honesty. I think people should be more honest and real on red carpet.

41:56Dana Carvey:I loved everything about it. If I ever get on red carpet again, I'm going to do that. Fuck this movie. You don't sound like Dana Carvey. I sound like Ben Stiller a little bit, but this is my alpha male voice. So don't give me any shit about this. That's your alpha male voice. No, I could. I would probably go down here if I could. Can I ask you guys a question? It's a bullshit Hollywood meeting. Go ahead. Ben has a question. We love questions. Okay. So you've done, earlier on in the interview, you were talking about cameos. And I was thinking, like, are there cameos that I've done that I don't remember after having done this many years in showbiz?

42:39Are there cameos you guys have done that you don't remember? You probably can't answer it if you don't remember them. But maybe when you go, oh, my God, I'm in that movie. Or the movie comes on, you go, oh, my God, I did a thing in that movie.

42:48Dana Carvey:I did it. There is. There is one. Where's yours? It's kind of weird. So for some reason, I got myself in Halloween, too, in like 1982. Wait, hold the phones here. Yeah. Wait. Yeah. You're in it? I'm in Halloween 2. I know everything about the Halloween franchise. Particularly Halloween 1 and 2. Yes. In the hospital. Are you in the hospital? No. I was with the news team out there. Okay. So what happened was I do it. I think I had a couple lines. I get in the thing and Donald Pleasance has a thing coming out of his eye. It's never been really on a movie set. I go to like the Cornet Theater in San Francisco with my friends.

43:30Dana Carvey:I'm in a fucking movie, man. So then I'm watching the movie. And at one point, you see the back of my head. And the other part, that's my arm. I mean, I literally. You're in the scene. Yeah. So that's my story, David. You must have a better one. Oh, I cannot wait to find that. There's a movie called Loser. And there was a movie called Light Sleeper. And both of them were cameos. And I mean, not really a cameo, because I wasn't really Light Sleeper. I just, honestly, I got it because Dana didn't do it. I swear to God. it's a Paul Schrader movie. It's all right. It's a Paul Schrader movie. I had my audition and he goes, great.

44:06I'm trying to get Dana. And if he doesn't want to fly out, I would use you. I like this. And I said, great. I mean, honestly, again, straight up. Straight up. I got a call a week later. He said, Dana's in LA. He doesn't fly out. And I said, for scale and no flight. And I said, I will. And he said, okay. So it was a fun thing. And then my favorite cameo was what? Reality bites. Ah, What constitutes a cameo? I know, was it a cameo or was it a part?

44:33Dana Carvey:Or was it a part? I was in Spinal Tap and I got on camera for that one. Yeah, you're one of the mime waiters. So that's like a part. I mean, every time I see you, every time I watch Spinal Tap and I see you and I'm like, oh my God. It's so funny. Well, what are your two stories about cameos or the movie that got away? or well i mean i've done i've just done cameos in movies that i never saw except maybe when they first like like school for scoundrels oh yes that was really bad todd phillips because we'd done starsky and hutch and then he did school and i don't remember that yes but i don't think i ever did he give you a good one it's awkward if they give you a helicopter pilot that's all i remember And I've got a mustache.

45:24You had a mustache? It loves the mustache.

45:27Dana Carvey:Yeah. Loves getting a stache. It changes. What is on a woman that changes a woman as much as a mustache changes a man? Have you done a prosthetic nose in anything? Me? I've done. Yes. Wait, what? In the Brady Bunch, I get hit with the football. I get the nose. I've done bald caps. I've done bald caps a couple times Friends and the craft The craft Yes Yeah the craft they do like a spell on her and they make her hair My hair starts to fall out and so they did a bald cap with hair falling out a sort of gnarly bald cap but no the cameo I did in Tropic Thunder Yes in the Simple Jack trailer but then there's another cameo a hidden cameo that is in the scene.

46:23I don't think you see me in it, but it's in the mockumentary. But it's the scene where Jack Black is acting out. It's the news footage of - Oh, him at a premiere, and you're like his publicist. Well, I was like your publicist or something, but we shot it. So I was pretending to be your publicist in one of those scenes that's not in the actual movie. And I was trying to do my best Kelly Bush.

46:49Dana Carvey:Yes, exactly. I'm watching that movie again. That is my favorite comedy. Oh, my God. I mean, I would go Monty Python that. Of the modern era, that's my favorite. Well, because I brought my wife to it because I saw it. And when I like a movie, I see it a lot. And you're doing all those fake ads up front, you know. Yep. White ass, you know, ass juice or whatever it was. And she goes. Booty sweat. She said booty sweat. She goes, what am I watching?

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50:58I also have done things Like Happy Gilmore 2 I'll say this on this podcast Where I had a bit That got cut That I thought was really funny And it got cut Which one was that? Was that Happy Gilmore? Not thrilled Happy Gilmore 2 You had a bit on there It got cut And I never confronted at him about it. Maybe talk to him about it. There was a really good chunk that I thought I really, you know.

51:29Dana Carvey:No, he doesn't seem mad at him. No, it's just that it was... I thought about you too, buddy. I'll talk later. What did he say to you? Instead of saying goodbye, I said, I thought about you too, buddy. We're going to have him on. I can't believe he would cut Ben Stiller. I don't know, but I never talked to him about it because I felt like, what was the line in that movie because there's a lot of stuff in that movie that my little thing would get cut. Too many golfers to fit in. They couldn't have 10 seconds. So many golfers. Too many golfers. Bryson DeChambeau had a tearful monologue they kept in.

52:09Exactly. It's part of his deal. Well, is there any... My question for Christina is, hey dude, do you ever go to Comic-Con with that or something? We've done 90s con. We've done 90s con. Oh, okay. Well, there's a couple different cons. There's some cons, and I had not been in the con world before. Nick Swartz is at most of them. There's people that make a great living. I mean, honestly, They pay you in cash. Well, that's the thing. I mean, it's like, yes, I remember when you played blackjack in Vegas with my brother, and you you guys won a good amount of money and you wanted it in cash. Yeah. Of course.

52:56Cause there's something that feels so. It's exciting. Yes. When you get right. I have a director question for Ben before you continue that story. Even though there's more to that story. You go ahead. No, that's not the story. It was that it's just, I never experienced. I did two of them, but it was also, I was a little like, what's this going to be? And honestly, I had, I came away with a very similar feeling that I have on the podcast of like, that was actually so fun like running into people from movies that we had done oh you also you walk around you see people from stuff you would never see yes yes then you have fans that aren't crazy and they're pretty i mean i would say the fan to the the normal the crazy ratio i'm in a very small amount of crazy and a little stinky they filter out the crazy they're not i don't think they they don't mind being grabbed and groped so it might not be i just love that show so much yeah dana dana there's definitely no i'm just doing a very nerdy guy

53:58Dana Carvey:it's not there's always people there's nothing neurological about this person i feel i feel like there's the people that come and pay money to get you to sign something or to take a photo with you like and they wait on the line i'm like i just feel like there's something so sweet about it it means a lot it means a lot and these characters that come over the years as the years go on it's you in person which is almost impossible right and by the way i feel like we as performers like we do the movie or we do the show or whatever you do you finish it you move on it comes out and you'll hear what people think about it or you'll have friends are like oh you were great in that or this or you'll read a terrible review or whatever but rarely do you get like actual like a nice like a great story of I watched the both of the Brady Bunch movies when my mom was in the hot like these heartwarming stories that it's the age they were when they intersected you know for me it's Wayne's world i'll meet people you know exactly i'm 67 years of age but man when i saw that movie it was fucking amazing you know what you get as you go through life it's like in the age group you're in you get hey you look great you know and great goes for a while hey you look great then they're a little more surprised you look great and then eventually they see you and they go how you doing what's up there's no review of how you look it just goes silent you still You guys are still in the, you guys are looking really good.

55:37Dana Carvey:It's fun. I like being older. I don't know. It's a weird quirk of me. That's good. Yeah, you've aged well, Dana, because you have an eternal youthfulness about you. You both do. Seriously, yeah. I really feel like you both do. David, I just. You both are eternally youthful, I believe. But, Dana, you do have always had this, you know, spry. Right back to Dana. Jesus. He's really flirty. Spritely. You're really flirting. No, it's all... I like spry. Spry. I like the word spry. He's prying now. Try to have hair, stay fit. Yes, exactly. Keep it going. And then VO2 max. You want to have a good, strong engine so you can have life force.

56:19Dana Carvey:Yeah, how do you do that? How do you maintain your VO2 max? Me is hiking up really steep hills very, very hard. Right. Good. That's good. How about you, Dave? Not that.

56:35I'll have to look at my diary, but I'm doing some stuff. It's kind of on the hush hush right now, but there's a lot of...

56:42Dana Carvey:It's in development. It's like a movie. It's not physically working out, but it's... They're getting the cast, the characters together. Anyway, I'm going to go in the audience. I just took the mic. I took the mic off because I keep leaning over. I like the handheld. It's stuck. so is the whole game back together for Fockers you got De Niro and everybody there was going to be a directing question yeah there was a directing question let's hear the directing question first it's too off the beaten path it's just I would have directing questions I could do just an entire podcast on you and directing my directing question is what do you think is the most important attribute and I think I know this but there's nuance to it to a great film director the most singular important attribute and I have an idea of one word and you'll know what I mean when you hear it I think it's the ability to listen to react and listen in the moment to what's happening is that right or is that the wrong answer You're saying as a director.

57:58As a director. Just to really listen. Yeah, I'm kind of nerdy with movies and love movies. Yesterday I was watching Alan Pakula talking. You know, Alan Pakula was a great director, directed Parallax View and Three Days of the Condor. Oh, Three Days of the Condor. And there was an interview with him in 1974 talking about directing. And he said the first thing he does when he comes to the set is he wants to let everybody know on the set that all ideas are welcome. and be willing to take chances and throw out ideas. And even if the ideas are bad, he said, you don't let people know they're bad because you don't want to shut them down.

58:35And you just want to have this collaboration on set. And then you have to just kind of take it. You have these ideas of what you want to do and plans and prep and all that. But then you just want to, in the moment, listen, see, and see what's happening in reality and then react to that.

58:52Dana Carvey:Yeah, because when you're starting out, you think like, oh man, the director's got to know all the lenses and stuff, all the technical stuff. But the thing I think is just like, can the director look at something and that what is their blink instinct? Is it working or not working? So I just imagine. That's the most important thing. That was the one, blink. I just said, that's it. And I tell that to young people. I might do this and that. And it says, the whole thing comes down to that. You think of Spielberg and Jaws, he just knew. And I've been in some shitty movies. You can look them up, kids.

59:27Dana Carvey:And when the director, it's not funny at all. And he's down on one knee crying with laughter. And you know it's not working. There's nowhere you can go. But I just think that directing is about the brain chemistry, the intuitive chemistry, and that's what the Beatles had, too. They would do that, pull, you know, they just blink. Otherwise, it's not there yet. Yeah. And then deciding in the moment how to fix it. Yeah. And Pakula was saying, like, sometimes people talk about, like, you know, these ideas and theories and all that stuff. But like with a character, sometimes it just be an actor who you meet.

1:00:04And then it's like, I'm interested in that actor. What are they going to bring to the character? And that forms the character because it's the actors like being open to all of that, I think, is really important.

1:00:14Dana Carvey:Could I just shout out, Alan, for a second, for three days of the Condor? and one of the greatest pieces of acting I've ever seen was Faye Dunaway saying goodbye to Robert Redford in the train station. Still gives me chills. When he says, just give me 10 minutes and she's madly in love with him and the way she breaks and the way he shot it where he's just a ghost in the steam. I mean, it's just like, great film is just, there's nothing like it. The best, the best. So, anyway. That's true because Dana has got a little wonky. before i was never in a good movie but i really know a lot about how to make one you are you are in a lot of good movies and also by the way spinal tap is probably like up in my top you know three or five movies so you i'm very curious what that experience for you watching how rob briner did that and you know it's incredible to me that movie because it's why i came in and i've said this before but i just met with them because i had the same manager as billy crystal and uh i came in there and it was just it was you know christopher guests and rob and everybody at a table and i was just i go this is kind of intimidating you guys are all here and i just come in as a stranger i just said that as a guy reading or i don't even know i was just kind of meeting you know and so i said that this is like you guys know each other i'm just a new guy and they didn't even blink they're like the marx brothers they all stood up and completely left the room in unison just right out of the room.

1:01:44Dana Carvey:No. And it didn't signal or anything, just completely got up and left. So I'm back there just waiting for a couple minutes. Then they come in. And then later on, I found I'm going to be, when I was on the set and they walked in and they had the wigs on with this one high and all this thing, I was like, you know, just blown away by the transformation. And Christopher Guest, well, all of them in that movie, it was magic at the, you know, it's just magic in a bottle. Magic. Yeah, magic. Yep. All right. Before we let you guys go, we're going to talk quickly. Mention Stiller's Soda. Why not? Oh, yeah.

1:02:19Stiller's Soda is sold in New York.

1:02:20Dana Carvey:One of the biggest laughs I got this year was that were you in the grocery store doing, hey, look at these sodas. And no one really knows it's you. It's like the funniest kind of promotion. It was so weird because it was like real. And I was at Whole Foods in New Jersey. and I'm wearing a turtleneck and an apron and I'm giving people little tastes of our Stiller soda, which is real. And it was just bizarre. It's been like such an interesting year because we launched last September and the whole idea, I do love soda. I don't drink. I love Shirley Temple's and that was the idea. Yeah, I remember those as kids.

1:03:02Love Shirley Temple's as a kid because to me that was like going at my parents' nightclubs. You order Shirley Temple, you're like the grown-ups. Or if you're a guy, wasn't it a Roy Rogers?

1:03:11Dana Carvey:Same drink, but they call it Roy Rogers. But yeah, okay. Yeah, and I always laugh when I order a Shirley Temple in a restaurant because there's always a little bit of like, oh, Shirley Temple. It's kind of like it's a kid's drink. So I thought it could be fun to do Shirley Temples, make them kind of like have fun with that in terms of like the ads and stuff, like that people are kind of embarrassed to order them. And also like all of these celebrity brands, you know, obviously cluny and the you know amazing you know casa amigos right success they've had that but there's like a lifestyle thing in these in these ads of all liquor ads of like coolness and well that could be funny to try to do that but with shirley temples and soda so it's been fun it's been fun over the last year and yeah we're like in whole foods we're in walmart we're in target we're we just uh we're gonna be in sprouts i'm very excited about sprouts i am near the new Jersey Whole Foods.

1:04:04I'm going to go check it out. Check it out, man. That's where I was. You can order on Amazon, too. That's right. We've got Shirley Temple, root beer, lemon lime, cream soda. We just did it. We were going to be in Cat's Deli. And that's a big deal because, you know, Cat's has only carried their Dr. Brown's for years, so now we're in there, too. And it's been really fun.

1:04:25Dana Carvey:What's the charge? I mean, is it surprisingly fun? Like, you get the numbers? Hey, we just sold this many. I mean, it's probably not a... Is it not, you don't need the money, but it's kind of fun to do a business, right? It's fun to do something that I have no idea what I'm doing. It's like a whole new world. I don't know, you know, and then learning, like learning about what's similar to show business and what's different. But the most exciting thing is when somebody like is holding your soda and drinking it and enjoying it and saying, I really liked your soda. Yeah, we walked by, we were on 7th Avenue and a person walking on the street with the, they had the lemon lime yeah they're like love the soda and ben turned around and was like that is the coolest thing that is more cool than being recognized for anything it was the coolest moment when he's like love the soda i imagine what it's like i can't cook but like if you can cook for people and make them happy when they eat something yeah you know there's something really special about that that thing that people get out of something that makes them feel good so you know And the idea also that it's kind of like all natural, good for you, and that's important too.

1:05:32Dana Carvey:And you were part of the test tasting. Oh, we do. Well, that's the most fun part too is like getting the samples. You get like the samples and you get like three different versions of the lemon lime or the cream. Yeah, and then you have to give them notes on it and have to figure out like the tasting thing is really. Oh, interesting. Mild but aggressive. Exactly. The aftertaste, bit of an aftertaste. It's very Tom Cruise What? You should have Lorne in his head Ben's going through that thing that he goes through When he goes through it What? Did you ever hear Lorne Michaels' quote about marriage?

1:06:13Dana Carvey:And I don't know if it's his quote Marriage is a prison that everyone's trying to escape into Okay Stop Stop. Oh, I didn't mean about you guys. No, that's brilliant. Escape into. That's such a great Lord. That's a great Lord. He has so many. I don't know if he gets them from. Do you have it, Lord? There are so many. Marriage is the only game two can play and both can lose. When he told me once, I go, thanks. I'm going to take off. I got to do an update. I think the prison marriage thing is everyone's trying to escape into, you know. That is funny. it's so depressing I'm like aren't you married Laura?

1:06:57oh no it's not about me I don't count alright well thanks guys first of all thanks for getting up early for this this is great this has been so much fun the podcast

1:07:12Dana Carvey:hey dude the 90's called thank you you have it written down there thank you just put that in and you'll listen to it And if you love the nineties, like we all do, you all do. We have good. Well then maybe I'll hit you up to come on. Let me know. I'm, I'm just on a farm in the middle of nowhere. I look at me. I mean, I'm still like Courtney Cox's number. Try me there. Okay. I seriously, I, first of all, thank you guys for asking us to do this together because I know you could have been would have easily come. We thought it was exciting. It's more fun. Yeah. And I'm such a fan of both of you as well.

1:07:53So for ages and ages. It's funny that you, Dana, I always assumed you guys had met. Yeah, I mean.

1:08:00Dana Carvey:We must have. We could have passed on one of those. Besides cameos in movies, you know, you're just. Did we meet at that second Oscars or was that. Were you at the Emmys, you know, because you're meeting so many people so fast. Yeah, those are literally passing like you. Hey, when you're walking by. And then it's like. Right. I know that doesn't really count. I feel like those things don't count. But I always feel like, yeah, when I see you, David, it always feels like you're a safe space. Yes, I'll be easy to talk to, I promise. He's easy to talk. You're easy. You're easy. Here's one that's kind of, he is super conversationalist.

1:08:33I was backstage at the Oscars when Mike Myers was doing Bohemian Rats,

1:08:39Dana Carvey:and I ran into Gary Oldman, and he had just done Churchill, so I was a little awestruck. And he says to me, I believe that we met. in the 90s at Piccadilly Circus. And I had no memory of meeting Gary Oldman. So I just faked it. Of course. No, you got to just go with it. You just got to fake it. Then Daniel Craig came over in a tuxedo with a martini, no joke. And I said, are you ever not in character? He had a tuxedo on a martini. I met Robert Redford a couple of times. And one time I met him, he told me that he worked with my father in live studio, like on live television in the 50s. And I went to my dad and I said, Dad, I met Robert Redford.

1:09:21He said he worked with me. He's like, no, never met him. No, never happened. You'd remember. You remember Robert Redford. That's fucking weird. And I was like, but Robert Redford said he, no, no, no, didn't happen. He just cut right to it. I know. No kind of soft landing.

1:09:36Dana Carvey:But good for you, yeah. I don't really, no, no, no. We're not going to play this game right now. All right. Bye, guys. Thank you. Let's have a nice time together. Thank you, guys.

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