Bill O'Reilly Is "Easy To Hate (And That's A Fact)"

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2:18You know, Carvey, I wrote the book specifically for the church lady. I may take a nap during the podcast. That's what most of the customers do. But out of respect for you and Spade, The last time I saw Spade, we were both shoplifting in Beverly Hills. You know me. I've been on every talk show a million times. I'm banned from them now. You've got to hear about me. Tina Fey hates me. Tina Fey hates you. Hates you? Hold on. And so does the blonde. The cuddliest cuddly bear. Amy Poehler. Oh, so does the blonde. Me? Hates me. Dana, Bill O 'Reilly is on today. Bill O 'Reilly.

3:03Dana Carvey:Bill O 'Reilly. who is interesting guest for us a little different off the beaten path uh friends with Dennis Miller that's where I met him uh Billy and has books out lots of books out he's a very much a thinker and a doer and he says he's an independent I mean a lot of people including myself were thinking oh you're uh obviously right uh politically and he says yeah that was kind of shocking he really what we talked about was his latest book was about the history of kind of evil people like genghis khan and stuff and it's a very easy read but it's really informative you know how much you know about all these you know napoleon or all these people who did evil things yeah he doesn't think napoleon was in there a deep knowledge of history we didn't really get into too much politics but which is good you know we just talked about the books and about dennis and about he does love comedy and so i thought it was a nice chat yeah and he he does talk to trump on the phone twice a month so he says uh so some insightful things about the man who occupies the white house yeah if you're interested i think it'll be fun to listen to it's a fun listen and And here he is, Bill O 'Reilly.

4:27Bill O 'Reilly.

4:30Dana Carvey:I feel like I'm on your show. This is really funny. You've got a nice studio tie on. Now, I'm watching you guys here. Can't hear me? Can't hear us? Yeah. Spade looks like he's in a bat cave. You look like you're in Bali, Indonesia. Yes. You got to have plants in podcasts. Yeah, absolutely. Because most people you interview are potted plants anyway. Oh, my gosh. She's two in a row. How old are you? I'm 17. This will be. And thanks for having me on, you guys. I really appreciate it. We're excited to talk to you. You're never, ever boring, ever. Well, you know, that's probably true. but I know that you have access to the Kardashians and I'm very, very flattered to be here.

5:25Dana Carvey:That's right. We do. By the way, I'm really enjoying your book. Let's just start with this because I have a lot of other questions, secular questions about society and all that. Sure. But I am really enjoying it. I'd recommend it to anyone confronting evil. I'm a casual history buff but you realize you don't really know i love the way it's written i i uh read genghis khan first it's very nice and terse sentences it's very clear it moves it has a thesis and they tell you what they're eating and how they're sleeping so i'm just really enjoying it i read mal this morning so i'm in a very cheerful mood about the state of humanity you read all the fun parts first Anyway, it's bite-sized chapters, quote unquote, and you can go anywhere you want, but it's just the most evil people in history.

6:16Dana Carvey:So anyway, that's my pitch. You know, Carvey, I wrote the book specifically for the church lady. I mean, Satan, and I was commiserating with the church lady, and she demanded that I write Confronting Evil to get all the evil out there. and what the church lady commands, I do. I want everybody to know that. I talked to her before I came out. I can only paraphrase it. Well, well, well. Mr. Bill O 'Reilly writes a book about naughty people when he could have been writing about himself. There you go. Everyone wants a church lady, he's a singer. So anyway, how are you? Where are you in your cycle? I knew you'd be early on the podcast and you seem to have unlimited energy.

7:08Dana Carvey:So what are you, are you going to take a nap after this podcast? I am. I may take a nap during the podcast. That's what most of the customers do. But out of respect for you and Spade, the last time I saw Spade, we were both shoplifting in Beverly Hill. I don't know whether, I don't know whether you remember that we were in one of those big stores on Beverly Boulevard. Oh, it was Barney's. Yeah, yeah. He stashed a little shirt in his sweatshirt. I think I had some silverware in my pants, and we kind of just ran into his shirt. Right. On the stairs, I knew I had up to$1 ,000, so nobody cared. I ran out of there.

7:48No, Barney's closed. It was sad. It was sad I couldn't waste money anymore. uh but anyway uh you know my cycle is interesting uh i'm kind of a little bit like you guys but uh you're much more talented than i am what we do here uh once i left fox news was i said look i'm gonna i've been working for corporations now for 42 years and i'm gonna do it on my own now um i'm I'm going to go out. So I did three corporations, one TV, one radio, and one book and internet, social media. And I took five people from Fox with me. And then we grew it. 60 people worked for me, six zero now. So I'm like 87 years old, which you could probably see.

8:37And my friends are all driving around in carts and playing pickleball. And I said, are you really hitting the pickles? I mean, what are you doing? What is that? Yeah, but I'm working like a Sherpa. I mean, I would rather be taking luggage up the Himalayas than doing what I'm doing now. Sometimes working for someone is okay, but sometimes... Yeah, but at least I'm calling my own shots, you know?

9:01Dana Carvey:Well, that trend has only accelerated exponentially since you started and Glenn Beck and then everybody else and Megyn Kelly and Tucker Carlson, they create their own ecosystem them and there's no difference and everybody's watching everything on youtube and so yeah i mean to me to not for you to have a boss doesn't seem correct well i never really had one other than but there was some big boys like rune arledge she was the guy that started monday night football and howard cosell and then it was roger ailes you were tough guys they were like michaels for you guys. I mean, you can go up against them, but you better have your stuff together.

9:43But I was never a corporate guy. So I stayed at Fox for more than 20 years, banked a lot of money. And then I said, I'm going to try to do this on my own because of the technology and it's worked great. And not only that, but the freedom that we have, because you're in the same in business now, is just for me emotionally really a boost. That's where I get my energy. So I was in LA over the weekend with Mark. Yeah. Yes. His dopey show. You know, he, he works for HBO. Now he's got autonomy like crazy. He's been there 23 years. He can do pretty much what he wants to do. He's got, you know, a thousand and writers and all of this, but he's still got that corporate structure.

10:36You know, he still has to go to the meetings and stuff like that. And, you know, I'm saying, hey, Mark, you probably make more money just doing this on your own, which he's starting to do. Right, with Club Random. With the podcast he's inching over. Yeah.

10:51Dana Carvey:But he could do the same kind of show himself. And, yeah, so I'm glad I was around long enough to see this happen, Because going on a traditional talk show, you get the Q &A up front, the host is feeding you, and now this is like green room stuff. We're just getting to talk to you unfiltered. Are you guys amazed, though, that in our lifespans, I'm older than you, but we came up in what they call the golden era of TV, linear TV. Are you surprised at the changes and how fast they came in? David? Yeah, I am for sure. And I'm also surprised. It's also hard to stay in the business in any way, shape, or form because it goes, it switches over to TikTok.

11:42I mean, I was on sitcoms for a while. There's not many sitcoms being made. There's a lot of people doing it the do-it-yourself way, as you're talking about. Some it works, some it doesn't. But if you have an audience, hopefully they can find you and you can get a bigger piece and call the shots. I look at that Jimmy Kimmel situation. There's definitely two sides to like having a boss and saying what you want to say. And unless you are the boss, it just shows you can't always, it's not like real freedom of speech. It's more like we have to keep it within reason for advertising. There's always sort of a boss, right?

12:19Unless you're doing your own thing. absolutely and not only that though it weighs you down um because youtube in particular creative funny guys i'm more of a journalist kind of give me the facts and all that but when you have to when you're being second guessed all right yeah uh that kind of emotional stuff cuts into the creativity. Because if you're creative, you're going to make mistakes, you're going to screw up. Sometimes it's going to fall flat. But in order to get the big hits, you got to try stuff. And all the corporate suits are like, Oh, no, we can't do that. But Kimmel and Colbert and I know all these guys.

13:06And yeah, you know me, I've been on every talk show a million times. I'm banned from with them now. You got to hear about me. Okay. John Stewart and you have a nice - You have to be banned from some, yeah. Yeah, that changed and it's a bad change for America. But once Trump came in, if you didn't hate Trump, then you were banished. I was on a view like a dozen times and mixed it up with the ladies and it was when Barbara Walters around was good. But once they started to really hate Trump, I was talking to Kimmel through one of his friends, and I said, look, it's okay to make fun of Trump. But if you hate him, if there's just blood dripping from your nose, you're alienating 50 % of the country.

13:53You know, don't be more get them if you want. All right. But don't be hateful about it. That is what has changed.

14:03Dana Carvey:my philosophy is to be funny first because that's the way i was you know raised on comedy be funny first if you make a point within it but if it's just the goal is to teach uh as a comedian i don't really like that style personally yeah it's hard to be taught what happened is that and i'm partially responsible for this. I never get I had Ted Koppel on the factor. And Koppel looked at me and said, you ruined television news. And I said, thank you. Thank you. It needed to be ruined. Because pinheads like you were excluding half the country. All right, we couldn't, you couldn't get their point of view, because you guys are sitting in the ivory towers in Manhattan.

14:51So I'm glad I broke it down. But then what it went was, again, Trump comes in, they were making money hating him, and they're making money like him. And that's where it all broke down. So now when people turn on linear television, they expect to get propaganda on one side or the other. And then the social media, at least some of us, and I include you guys in that, we're not interested in making money hating or loving somebody. We want to be entertaining and informative, and that's why I think we win.

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18:35Dana Carvey:For comedians in the last seven, eight years, it's been very, very touchy. And you did sort of start to say to yourself, well, I can't say that. And I don't really, I'm not X-rated or anything, but even certain kind of takes couldn't do it. X-rated is better than having a political take. Well, let me give you an example. As an outsider. And then I'll give you an example. Okay. So I'm watching you on SNL with Biden. That's what I was going to bring up. Go ahead. It's brilliant. I mean, I'm on the floor. I'm on the floor. Okay. But I like you anyway. I like both of you or I wouldn't be here. So I don't do podcasts with people I don't like.

19:15So I'm going, Look, but it wasn't malicious. It wasn't Alec Baldwin. Like, if I could beat his brains, then I would. No, you were just making fun of him. All right. But I know that Saturday Night Live got some blowback from it. What are you making fun of Biden for? You know, and that's the problem. them you've got s &l now knows its audience is 90 liberal so they're feeding them that stuff it's still funny all right but they're feeding them that but i think it got to the point where they were allowing it you could make fun of biden because after that george clooney article it started to switch and then it was like well okay dana yeah there's a big line in the sand

20:08Dana Carvey:because lorne had asked me to do him when he was still going to be the nominee or re you know and i said okay i'll try you know because i knew it was a slippery slope and he had to thread the needle even if i was in a club or doing it anywhere and then he's not running anymore and kamal is in there and that's when i emerged but i when i came out the first night with my rudolph i was ready for maybe a heckling you know so i had it loaded in my head in case someone heckled me i'd say get Get your facts straight, Jack. You know, I wanted to just get back at him, but it just started with this. And this isn't political.

20:43Dana Carvey:You would say these non sequiturs. This was the hook. Folks, guess what? And by the way, the fact of the matter is, no, I'm being serious here. I'm not kidding around. So that was like a little song for me that didn't make a statement, but I felt that he was underserved, if you could say it that way, in the satirical department during his tenure, whether whether a president deserves it or not, you feel like it's it's a good sign of people are having some fun with the guy who's in charge of our country. But it was it was fun to go in there and do that. And the audience at that point accepted what I was doing.

21:20Dana Carvey:And I don't really actively hate anyone I do. Like in my heart, I hate this person. I'm going to do an impression. You would be the exception. I would die. Because I'm really easy to hate. And that is a fact. The other aspect of what you guys do that intersects with what I do is that you have to be honest about it. So I like the guy who does Trump now on SNL. James Austin Johnson. Yes. I like him because he's a pro and he gets his lines in, but he doesn't drip of malice. Okay. You can see that he's doing his job as a comedian to deliver funny lines. There's nothing wrong with that. It's just what it crosses over into the destruction.

22:19When I went out to LA this weekend, I had a person walk up to me at the HBO studio and goes, well, I was so happy to have a Republican guest. And I go, well, who's that? I'm not a Republican. And the person was like shocked. I said, I'm a registered independent. What I'm trying to do is find the best problem solver for the country, and that's who I'm going to get behind. But I'm not going to, you know, I am a traditional American, no doubt about it. I like all that. I think that's why we're the most powerful nation in the world that's ever existed. And that's one of the reasons I wrote Confronting Evil was because we have evil in America, and I want people to know about it.

23:07And I write about the slave traders becoming the richest men in the world by doing this horrible stuff in New Orleans and Virginia. And then I write about Rockefeller and J.P. Morgan, who are, you know, Wall Street icons to this day. They were rotten bastards. OK. And Teddy Roosevelt took them out. Yeah. And so I'm the kind of guy that isn't an ideologue, and ideologues bore me to death. It's just the same stuff over and over and over again. The propaganda stuff, I hate it. Well, I think it's smart to be independent because if you say you're right, everyone just thinks so far extreme white supremacist or whatever the labels are.

23:58and if you say you're a democrat they think so far left so there's tons of people that are still in the middle that want to think clearly and just sort of go case by case issue by issue but if someone gets a whiff you're one side or the other it's immediately a problem or not and that's that's affecting everything when we say we're not political but it affects the dating world my friends are saying they go on a date and they're being felt out to see what they are right away to know if it's going to go any further it wasn't like that in the old days it's it's come into talk shows and everything that what in comedy that wasn't like that now it's sort of infecting everything and really splitting people up even families families for sure yeah i mean thanks giving coming up you know and it's like okay here's uncle fred and he's a commie and i'm gonna hit him with the grape uh so even his uncle zoran mandami at dinner let's see what happens One of the reasons I put that nitwit Dennis Miller on my show.

25:02Dana Carvey:Finally. The one and only Dennis Miller. Oh, my God. What a brain. I remember going, this is the greatest story. So I always liked Miller because Miller, to me, took no BS from anybody. Okay? And I know that to be true. So I went into Roger Ailes and I said, this was right after Miller was on CNBC and he had a monkey on his show. I don't know whether you guys remember that. He's a monkey, a real monkey, okay, on the show. His name is Gleeko. Right. It was inexplicable. There was no real reason to have the monkey, but there was a monkey. And the show did not do well. That was the jump to shark monkey.

25:48Dana Carvey:Yeah, the chimp didn't quite, his trainer overfed him, you know. Next thing I know, I'm at an 0.2, all right? So I knew Miller a little bit, and I knew how brilliant he was. Yeah, brilliant man. So I went into Ailes, the head of Fox, and I go, I want to put Miller on the air. And he goes, why? He goes, isn't he the guy with the monkey? I said, yeah, we won't use the monkey. That's now his thing. But Ailes worked at CNBC. So he knew, I said, we're not using a monkey, we're just going to use Miller. All right, just once a week, because I want to get a totally unpredictable take on the country on the world.

26:35Very true. Yeah, you'll get right. Yeah. And it worked. It worked great. And it was just boom, it blew up. Everybody looked forward to it. And then Miller and I went out on the road.

26:46Dana Carvey:Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, and phenomenal. Huge audiences. Huge. I know from Dennis. Yeah, we did. We did well. The only shows that I did that were more successful were the four I did with Trump, which were unbelievable about attendance and grosses and stuff like that, because that was after he lost the election, even though he'd never admit he lost it, he lost it. and we went out to the arenas and we did a history thing. But Miller's, to this day, the way he can analyze stuff, he just cuts right through to garbage and gets right to the essence of how absurd it is, which is what I was looking for.

27:30Dana Carvey:Yeah. He's amazing. I mean, his quote at the end of the day, it was like, Jesus, all I'm trying to do is keep half my money and kill the bad guys. All right. you know that was like a nice tight way now you guys you got to tell me something now sure please i tried to drag miller to the anniversary show which i was invited to i don't know was a 30th or 30 what something 50. he wouldn't he wouldn't go to the snl anniversary show so i did a skit for them a what up skit is that the keenan oh yeah that's right yeah oh you were in that i was in that and i said and and michael's was uh kind enough to invite me to the show nobody would sit next to me so i i had the big road in my head was this the 40th or the 50th which which 10 years ago 40th yeah and i and i go millie you gotta come to the snl reunion thing with me come on be huge and he wouldn't go i'll send the monkey

28:36do you guys know why i wouldn't go