Charlie Sheen Bets On Himself And Keeps WINNING!

0:00He came back talking about this guy named Tom Cruise. In my mind, I added a Z and I thought he was Latin. I thought he was a Mexican or a Spaniard or something, right? It was warlock or bust. Yeah. And I said to Dave, I said, if that breaks loose, we're clearly in the crush zone, right? And I said, are you cool if I'm the last guy on this planet that you interact with? Charlie Sheen. Charlie Sheen, the one and only. Internationally known as God is my witness.

0:40Dana Carvey:I don't know what that means. You need a witness for that? It's just a figure of speech. Charlie Sheen. What a career. Yeah. huge movies you were talking about his run of movies like from 21 years old i think he popped into ferris bueller with a cameo just a good looking burnout dude did one scene and uh stood out yeah yeah i think he stayed up all night for that to show that he was a guy that stayed up all night yes and when you're 19 you stay up all night it's not a massive it's not a big deal he's wasted yeah but i guess he uh i think with charlie when he went off the rails a little bit was too much fame too good looking and too rich it's just you get everything you want it's a very odd i don't know the feeling it's very odd being medium rich medium looking and mediumness across the world it's different so yeah he just has everything all girls are falling at his feet and he's got drugs wherever he goes and every celebrity wants to hang out with him.

1:45Dana Carvey:Yeah, huge movie star. By the time he's 21, he's doing Wall Street. It really is kind of unparalleled how many movies he's made. And Platoon. At such a young age. Yeah. Platoon and just, yeah. And then he got into all the funny movies, you know. Hot Shots. Hot Shots, yeah. Major League. There's like so many to talk about. And then he does this massive... sitcom two and a half men one of the one of the last ones of that kind of of that kind of big audience syndicated fat money and then he he really and there's no real limits he doesn't care what we ask him and he was pretty funny we were light and loose with them and we couldn't do it in person because i think all of us were sick remember right i was right i was full covet Yeah, I enjoyed this one a lot With Charlie Sheen I found him really charming I know he's had a lot of rough times in his life But the guy I met on the Zoom Is a real charming, humble, nice guy And funny too You decide, folks You decide and give us your comments Here it comes What song is this, Charlie?

3:05Dana Carvey:Here it comes again looking bad or what is that dolly body has a right to i i don't reckon i don't recognize it here he comes again all right so our producer said he here he comes so i just okay yeah i think we're good awesome thank you bro thank you charlie this is a great place if you're a termite that's emilio estevez right there can he hang out for a second because that was my first thing i wanted to ask him for you dude amelio you want me you mind what this was one of my things because i wanted to not bore the shit out of you amelio i just want to you're in my research i'm not making this up i was like because i was like holy shit yeah i saw the doc i saw you guys doing all the super eights and all that and then you're fucking you do you got there's red dawn but you do platoon Ferris Bueller, Wall Street, Major League Your brother Does the Outsiders Repo Man, which is a personal favorite Breakfast Club, St.

4:08Dana Carvey:Elmo's Fire And then you can connect with Young Guns So what the fuck That has never happened In history You both were like children Little tiny kids Becoming movie stars like that Anyway, that's why Amelia, we just want to tell you You're a fucking stud yeah i mean you guys are like he he he can't hear you because i'm on the i'm on the boat we can't hear me when we gave him a hundred compliments and now we gave you a hundred compliments and it was all love and it was about the breadth the breadth of our of our combined films in that in that time frame and he said then we did all that we're giant movie stars as children

4:53Dana Carvey:we were all the same I was a waiter until I was 24 would you tell him that he said he was a waiter until he was 24 yeah wasn't in that boat wasn't in that boat anyway Emilio sorry we can't hear you but nice to see you buddy thank you bro thank you I appreciate it it's great to see him that's cool that's a treat Well that was most of your time That was most of our time We look better in person Don't think of this what you're seeing now We're pretty good looking David and I I just saw Charlie at the fight Yeah that was pretty cool Wasn't it You know what let me tell you I'll tell Dana the funniest thing you said is right when I said Michael Irvin had his legs wrapped around your chair Talking to someone behind him And you go I don't think Michael Irvin knows spatial awareness.

5:47I mean, it was an astute observation, wasn't it? It was perfect because the chairs were this wide. They were little plastic chairs. I go, Ted Suranos is in front of you. I was like, Ted, I want to talk to you about the shitty chairs when you get one second. It's too late now, but maybe for the next one. And they were all tied together with zip lines. They were zip tied together.

6:07Dana Carvey:Yeah. Well, spatial awareness is a funny word. It's a funny term. what you're doing charlie when it comes to comedy that was funny you could have said in a lot of different ways but facial awareness because we're stand-ups you know that's all we do so basically well he's a film star but uh yeah you're a comedian um you know just i was looking at some of your rants we can go wherever you want but they're all really fucking funny that's what really struck me about that era of tiger blood and everything i mean they're they're comedically like it's actually funny on top of everything else it's not the rantings of a madman it's a comedian unleashed you know yeah wow okay i've i've never heard it uh described as such that's uh are you on drugs yes i'm on a drug it's called charlie sheen that's like rhythmic and and how are you doing winning not just i'm by the way these jokes are to like katie kirk or this the flat audience savannah guthrie going uh-huh you have a bit a lot of problems in your life you're like or do i i'm on coke and they're like well you're laying down magic you didn't even know at the time because the whole idea which i think in therapy they should use these quotes because they're funny and they're self-affirming they're kind of saying fuck you get out of my way we all want to have that feeling sometimes but i looked at them as the work of a comedian i mean they're It's just really, are you bipolar?

7:34Dana Carvey:I'm bi-winning. I win here. I win there. Now what? This is funny. They picked a fight with a warlock. I mean, it's just funny. I don't know if anyone is. We're trying to think of stuff that you haven't been asked because I know this is our second interview around the Book of Sheen. You've done one interview and then this. And then this. Yeah. So we wanted to surprise you. Of course. There are things I wanted to talk about. that's one of them but david can you have any questions go ahead charlie has a quick question i just want to point something out if i say um you've picked a fight with a warlock right that's like um that that that implies that i would have experience with that or i'd have some kind of yeah perspective or context with that right i've never picked the fight with a warlock no i think that's kind of a just a life rule that that that you don't you see a warlock you don't pick a fight you know no and we all know i don't even know specifically what my image is but warlock kind of means like some sort of weird mythological creature you don't want to go near exactly exactly did you have did you have any alt did you have an alternative to warlock or was that just boom they picked it was it just comes out warlock or bust yeah he's got the phrases that are very catchy but no one has ever heard do you own these though they're all online they're so charlie part of it is when you're in these interviews and i watch these people with a lot of it unfortunately is fake concern for you you know what i mean they're like hey are you okay and you're like what do you give a shit do you really care you're like are you calling the kids every night you're like do you want to babysit my kid at a certain point you start to go are you really really if you really care i'll tell you these answers but you're kind of trying to get a pickup piece for your clip for the news or for your show and so you're using me to go oh i'm going to be the concerned person condescendingly asking charlie you're like i have a hundred million dollars is it horrible right now and that's that's kind of a weird place to be in where they're like do we envy you or do we feel sorry you know because you had a lot going.

9:46Yeah, no, but when somebody poses those questions, what do you think would have happened if I had said, I'm not, and how do you plan on helping me? Yeah, what are you doing? Like, do you have a guest room? Do you have a stocked fridge?

10:05Dana Carvey:Is there a crudité anywhere that I could have access to? Yeah, any, right? Yeah. It's like Facebook moms putting on Facebook, I don't like when you showed a picture of your kid in the front seat. You should never like, what do you care? Are you really, are you really that worried? Anyway, we got so much to talk to Charlie about. I also want to just insert one thing on winning and also the way you said winning. Winning. You know, did that influence Trump kind of, cause he really works a word and he really, you're going to be winning so much. You're going to win, you win. I don't know. There is something about that word there.

10:40Dana Carvey:Did you win? Yeah, I went, I'm winning. I'm winning more. You know, I don't know. It's just an interesting interaction historically, but who knows? Right. But the book gets into the genesis of that material. Oh, that's what I'm so happy to hear, the Book of Sheen. Yeah. Thank you. And I kind of kept it a secret for years that it wasn't my original material, that it was inserted into my brain sort of as a pep talk like a couple days earlier by a baseball player from the Giants named Brian Wilson, a guy nicknamed the beard. Remember the beard? Oh yeah. So, yeah, I was watching a highlight package of his and I told my pal, Tony Todd, I said, Hey, I'm going to, I'm going to talk to that dude.

11:25And the next day I was on the phone and he just rolled out all, all that stuff, the stuff that the material that turned into slogans and t-shirts and folk songs and everything else. Right. And so, yeah, but then I couldn't really say in the middle of that, that, that, that, that whole, you know, tsunami that I was cresting on a nuclear surfboard. Right. I couldn't, I couldn't say, by the way, all that shit was borrowed. That t-shirt you're wearing, not my stuff. I just had to roll with it. And then about midway through the, all the chaos, I spoke to him and I said, Hey man, I'm sorry. I feel like I stole your stuff and maybe you had plans to use it elsewhere.

12:05And he said, no, no, know it's fine it's um i said and you're probably thinking that that that you got it into the wrong brain and hence the wrong mouth and he was like well you know it's i never quite saw it going this far but if if someone's going to borrow your material then then spread the love why not well

12:23Dana Carvey:yeah because it was the timing and the way you delivered it when we all and it's you saying it on all over it's you saying it in the rhythm i don't know if he was because that was your rhythm right of the way you know the winning thing was originally delivered with that inflection with the high pitch to winning winning yeah yeah i know and that's why it it got it got you know logged in there like that um so um his material but then i think through my filters and you know through whatever else was going on uh it it it became what it what it did you know Right, because he was being interviewed sometimes by contrarians or whatever trying to talk to you.

13:07Dana Carvey:And you were just coming back with something so extremely different than anyone would expect that that was part of the comedy of it. I don't know if he had people interviewing him, you know, in that way. But it's interesting. Also, losing isn't quite as catchy. It doesn't. It doesn't. Losing. It really isn't. It really isn't. Charlie, here's a dumb question. okay you got you got one question go ahead he can talk too though you can talk thank you um have you and i ever met dana i don't think we've ever met i don't think so either no i don't think so either yeah we almost fred wolf was doing some kind of movie and you were in it and so mad family do it yeah mad families yeah and i was for a while i was going to do that but i just was doing stand-up or whatever i was doing but we would have met then yes but yeah and David and I had a scene together.

14:03Do you remember this? Oh, that's right. And Matt family. Remember, I like rewrote it. I turn it in like three pages and I came to you like five minutes before we were going to shoot it. I'm like, let's do it this way, man. I was fucking hammered, dude. I was hammered that day. And apologies. No, but we did. We did have a nice vibe and a nice rhythm and a nice thing in that scene, didn't we? Yes. I remember that was Naya Rivera was in that movie. little was little rel in it little little rel yeah little rel and yeah i i do remember coming to do one scene and i had to speak with everybody i don't remember enough about it but if you if we did a collab uh that uh i hope it came out right mad family sort of was we call it under the radar because it was on crackle it was on crackle yes crackle um turned into an app it was supposed to be like netflix and then it kind of wasn't it's not like norn very much kind of wasn't wasn't um yeah they they kind of bailed on it you know charlie do you remember the story of tom hurts try to put a show together with us and it was after you left two and a half men okay tom hurts in all his wisdom was working on two and a half men for years i guess then he came to do rules of engagement another show that i did no tom tom was on uh spin city i think also spins oh spin city and then he came to us because he had worked with you and he knew you sure and then and then um he came to me and said what about you and charlie doing a show and i said isn't charlie a little bit in the doghouse with the cbs because it was literally in the middle of all that oh yeah and he says uh well uh les moonves likes this idea i was like he does even in the middle of char i think either you guys were suing each other there's some pure chaos yeah i see it and i was like well uh and then it kind of fizzled out but i thought it would have been fun back then that was uh it would have been kind of a fun pairing Yeah, so it, no, it would have been awesome.

16:12And so it would have been that instead of anger management, right? Oh, yeah, maybe, yeah. That's right. I think that's what you went into next. Oh, yeah. Anger management was a 90-10 deal? It was 10-90, yeah. Yeah. Those are those deals, Dana, where you'd shoot, it was sort of a new formula where you'd shoot 10 episodes, and if they liked it, they'd buy the back 90. So it was very interesting because you'd gamble and Charlie gambled and won again. And he got a hundred out of it, right? Yeah, we got to a hundred, but it didn't catch fire like we were kind of hoping, you know? Sure. But it's interesting.

16:52It's literally like a 10 episode pilot. Yeah. And so then they take the average number from those episodes that air and it has to get above a certain threshold. And if that happens, then it activates the next 90. And you get a piece of 90.

17:10Dana Carvey:100 episodes. You get 100 episodes and you get back end on it. Exactly. Yeah. You take a lot less upfront salary, but you have an ownership position. That's pretty significant when they work with this one. Cause I wasn't, I wasn't ready to go back to work. Was it right after two and a half men? So it's hard to like go right to a show. It was about six months after. Yeah. That's pretty fast. Yeah. Yeah. Which for me probably felt like a weekend, you know, at the time in the middle of all that. Yeah. And Dana, you wouldn't like it. It's like two in a day. Don't you shoot like you shoot faster? Yeah.

17:52And there's no audience. And sometimes you're doing two shows a week or you didn't finish the second show from last week. So you start the week with that. So you're really trying to focus on three shows that week. And it's just, and it doesn't, uh, yeah, I think a lot of the process, um, suffers, you know, not the thing to get you off drugs. That's for sure. Definitely not.

18:15Dana Carvey:Most of the casts end up on drugs when they do the 10 90 thing. I'm sure because of the pressure. I heard of my friend, a friend of mine that we all know just did a 10 90 deal or 90, 10, whatever we call it. And, uh, I don't think it, it kicked in. So it's the gamble, you know you're betting on yourself and i think it's a pretty good gamble i probably would have done one of those because it's something you get some money but there's a big uh high reward sure wait your your friend did one uh recently recently that's what i had heard oh it's still they still kicking those around wow uh because i thought they kind of went away was it a multi i'm pretty sure it would have been a multi that's probably the fastest you can do it yeah okay you know i'll tell you after but uh because i don't want to say anything about his real name because maybe he would feel like oh it didn't get picked up but got it i'll tell you after and okay that's very interesting though that the 1090 could still be floating out there when syndication isn't quite as valuable obviously you were you were sort of one of the last not the last but you your show two and a half minute which is still on you know honestly too much and um it's on probably 12 stations at any given time when was the end i mean it was that when this uh the syndication thing started bang was one of the biggest endings yeah sure yeah we had modern family you know um when when when was it on as far as like when was it like actual broadcast yeah the block when syndication was a really big thing still you know because that was seinfeld the 90s and so forth but i guess it got that pop and you were making a really good good salary yeah you know um i mean i i was i was trying to negotiate my way out of it i was i was waiting for them to say it's you know all right we're done seven is plenty this guy's asking for the moon we can only afford the only guy in america trying to get himself out of like a huge show so by asking for so much money to get out basically yeah i was calling they said yes They said yes.

20:23Because I had a conversation with my manager when I was in rehab, when they were trying to negotiate for eight and nine. And I felt like seven had just, I kind of just reached my limit. I didn't see that we had a lot of stories left to tell, you know, and I just, I'd completely lost a passion. um tons of tons of shit in the background in my personal life that wasn't you know i'm not i'm not blaming anyone but it was making the job just more complicated than it had to be you know and and i told i told my manager mark at the time i said if i if i go back i have a hunch that something is going to go it's going to go the dam's gonna break the dam's gonna break yeah man um now do do you think that was a self-fulfilling prophecy?

21:08Or do you think I just, I just knew that that's how the planets were going to be misaligned? Well, I think, you know, when you get overwhelmed, I think, you know, I mean, everyone says money is the key thing, but when you already have money, you've been rich probably since apocalypse. Now you've had money, a couple of beans in your jeans.

21:24Dana Carvey:Oh, now platoon, red, Don, he got back in on red, red, Don. Yeah. It was over. It's still paying. Yeah. Red, Don covers those Honda Accord payments just alone. So you got that and then you go, everyone's, your life is great with money, but it sounds stupid but it does complicate a lot of things and you've got so many complications going on and I think you had a trailer on the set as opposed to a dressing room. Did you have a bus or something? I had a tour bus. That's what I heard. I was jealous when I heard that. I had a marathon coach. It was pretty cool. Right outside the stage door probably, right?

22:02Like we walk out And then, yeah, it was, it was right there. Yeah. You shoot, you go in and wait, and then you come back in and do your scenes. So you can do whatever you want in there, obviously. And probably took advantage of that. Two and a half, not so much. The stuff before it and the stuff after it, very, very, very much so much. Yeah.

22:25Dana Carvey:So when did you first feel like incredibly wealthy? What was it after wall street or when, or for you, you know, you're in your early twenties. When did you kind of go, Holy shit, I'm a millionaire or I'm close to a millionaire, you know, Teddy stuff, right? It was probably like in mid nineties. Okay. Yeah. But there was about 30. Yeah. Yeah. But there was a moment early on when I got my first, uh, acting paycheck from Grizzly from Grizzly to the predator or the revenge as they retitled the movie Grizzly. They did a sequel. Yes. Yes. Yeah. And so I made two grand a week and I was there for three.

23:07I made six grand. I didn't care. I didn't know about taxes or any of that shit. And I went to the bank and just took it all in cash. And I walked into a clothing store and there were these two kind of fancy vests, not like a Western vest, but like a, like a camping vest. Right. And I couldn't decide on the color. It was like a blue one or a fricking green one. And I was like, I'm going to take them both. whoa yeah and they were like you know 40 bucks each 60 bucks each whatever and just laid out the cash and literally in that moment i felt okay all right this is i'm feeling like a big shot sure and i think you all take both and then you go you like that shit and the lady goes oh there's more that came from bitch why are you being aggressive i don't know bitch maybe it's money winning how are you i hate to interrupt i did a police academy movie and i was making not much money but it was no more than i ever had in my life and i saw some pants in the window in toronto and i went in and the lady goes those are 60 it was like pretty woman like those are for rich people and i go i'll take them and she's like whoa everyone's store was like whoa and i was like 60s nothing to me because i got a hundred dollars in per diem so i bought it i literally there's very few times i've felt richer we all have that story you know i was

24:33Dana Carvey:uh interesting and i'm sure this in the book that you'd think hey martin sheen's his dad he's growing up like a billionaire you know and obviously in the documentary it's it's it's it's pretty middle class, you know, it's not fancy pants. You and Amelia, you guys didn't have money. Go ahead. You can see our house in the background of a lot of the super eight stuff, you know, and it's not a mansion documentary. It's not a, not a manicured freaking. No, no, it's very, it's funky and cool. Great for a kid. But I was wondering if anyone in that posse, like I'm fascinated by Sean Penn and Sean, when did you meet Rob Lowe or are your friends?

25:12Dana Carvey:Uh, Did anyone have a silver spoon or you're all kind of middle class in a sense? We were all middle class.

25:22The lows came in a little later. And the reason, you know, he wasn't excluded intentionally, but the footage that the director, Andrew Renzi, chose to incorporate was from, you know, like the younger, younger years. Yeah. um i think by the time i started making those films with with rob and his brother chad um i think that i think video uh videotape came into play that it was actually do you remember this thing called the uh it was like a polaroid brand but it was a polaroid video camera do you remember this i never heard it once yeah it it developed in the player while you were waiting whoa and then it played it um it was called polar vision i think so that's you know yeah so we were sort of in the cutting edge of like as the technology was improving um but no his his the lowe's uh dad um was was still in ohio and their stepdad was a psychiatrist they lived right down the street uh sean's parents uh a director actress uh you know they they were they married until the day they both died um and so but nobody was nobody was rolling nobody was driving a fancy car or or fancy duds or or you know picking up the check um so yeah it was it was it was really a cool time to to just experience all of that and not have a ton of uh excess and special effects and bullshit sort of in the way of those memories, you know?

27:00Dana Carvey:And Super 8 or whatever that was, it's just emotional, you know? And I think it's funny, like every kid who ever got a hold of a camcorder or whatever, they always want to do war scenes or crime scenes and want to do a death scene. Like, ah! Sure. Did you have a good go-to move? Like, oh! Yeah. The platoon move is a big one. Willem Dafoe. Oh, yeah. The whole, yeah. The crucifixion. That's been reenacted all over. Yeah. I actually, I have that as a sticker in my phone that I send people. When I don't know how to respond, it's just Defoe. It's like that. So if you get that, it just means I'm stumped, you know?

27:44Fucking send me that.

27:46Dana Carvey:It is interesting of like the trifecta. I think you, for Vietnam War films, you know, you'd say Deer Hunter, Platoon, and Apocalypse Now. And there was a sheen in two of them. And I think that that film really, along with Wall Street and others, really holds up. You know, Platoon has some magic to it. Would you put full metal jacket in there anywhere? I'd put anything Kubrick does as a given. Yes, yes, I would. That's a good call. Full metal jacket, anything Kubrick pretty much, you know, is just magic. You know, Poclips now, brilliant. Masterpiece. master and dear hunter you know the mouth oh oh you know it's just for walking one of the greatest most intense scenes ever made so yeah but you're part of that and it's pretty cool thank you thank you charlie what movies did you turn down that sting the most and i'll tell you which one if it's opportunity knocks i'm so sorry if it's tommy boy i'm gonna be i'm so sorry it's you and me no go ahead i turned down um uh white men can't jump oh for what i guess you're gonna be woody or what i would have been woody yeah and then um just coincidentally um a bit later on i think it came after maybe before i turned down um indecent proposal whoa so i was waiting for woody to send me some flowers and and thanked me for advancing his career like i did those were big i found in decent proposal you know i'm a huge red fruit fan god rest his soul um and to me more and everything but i just found the movie very depressing woody's character was so like i mean that was the only thing i'd say about dodge i i don't know it just wasn't my favorite movie although it's skillfully brilliantly done i just was like right you know i couldn't get past the thing that all right they did that he's got the money to to to you know to lessen the sting a little bit yeah and then spends it all on that tchotchke right right like the little jade elephant or something ever yeah yeah am i misremembering that um no there was something weird it was a very it was love was real and it wasn't about money and it wasn't about this but they still have to stay married and live with that moment right with the thing with thread which is tough right yeah you don't get his agent wrote back charlie likes it uh but wants to tweak the ending pretty much and they said it's we're pretty locked in the ending he said that's a pass from charlie that's pretty much how did you did you see broke back mountain and call your agent why the fuck wasn't i up for yeah um i have to admit um it's kind of one of those films it's always been on that unseen but need to get to it list you know and i think that we all sort of have um yeah so i never i never saw it but i hear it's fabulous well it's it's yeah it's it's it's a little heartbreaking but yeah the performances are exceptional you know sure yeah good fellas good fellas we're up for that i was not up for good fellas no karate kid uh karate kid is is one that um that i actually had um i don't know if i could um classify it as turning it down or describe it as turning it down it's um i just i i you know it's in the book it's in the doc i think um and that i i just asked for some time because the advice from my dad was to was to stay to honor my word with grizzly and because i'd already you know committed to that fucking grizzly comes into the picture that fucking bear that bear ate me twice right jaws on land yeah grizzly um so he said um if if if they wait for you it's meant to be um if they don't then it's your you know your reputation being a man of your word is going to further than one big movie i i don't know from a from afar i i do have a lot of admiration for your dad i i did meet him and i did something with him one time it was just a a charity event We were all doing Shakespeare with Tom Hanks, but that's good.

32:05Dana Carvey:Yeah. Well, it was kind of like pretend fun Shakespeare. Was it in the park? They do that in the summer. No, it was in Santa Monica in the theater. It's a reading, right? Isn't it a reading? Yeah, but then we all go on stage and sort of kid around and are reading. You know, I'm doing impressions and things in Shakespeare. One thing I was going to ask is people who've been in brilliant films around brilliant people. uh the you know you've been across your your partner man or woman and went damn you know this this person is exceptional or someone who kind of took you back a little bit by just how great they were at this thing called acting sure who who who might those who was that i i wanted to bring up the elevator scene with your dad that that was one of those moments um when you actually you get distracted because you're you become an audience member and then wait but you're in the scene and shit it's my line uh you know what i mean it's like those moments and i had i had some of them with michael douglas on the same movie definitely had him definitely had him with dad um even though he's only in it you know just a little bit james spader in wall street i was kind of like going oh shit so they're doing it like that now you know what i'm saying it was like this whole cool thing.

33:22Um, and, and yeah, it, uh, who else, who else? Um, oh shit. Um, Michael J Fox. Yeah. Just when we had a couple, we had a couple scenes together. Um, he, he had transitioned out and I had stepped in, but he, but he wanted to stay close enough to it to, to like, to bridge the, the, the transition, you know? And, and yeah, we, we, we did some scenes together and, And it was it was other level talent. I was like, whoa.

33:51Dana Carvey:I mean, you look at back. You take a look at it back to the future. I'm doing Trump. But that's hard to do. You know, and I know he replaced Eric Stoltz, who probably was great. But to be light, play it dramatic and ride that whole wave of those movies. Yeah. Michael J. Fox is I don't know if he's underrated or appropriately appreciated. But that's a great that's a great question. But it's interesting because there's a thing that I do describe in the book. And it's really there for a reason, you know, not just to celebrate and honor him, but also because that's like, that's my last outpost before going on to two and a half.

34:30So I was kind of symbolically implying like, okay, I borrowed a little bit from this dude, you know, because there was tons flying off of him and took it over to that thing. And we know we saw how that thing went, you know, so.

34:44Dana Carvey:Well, it's rare. can you imagine how excited when they they get two and a half men together and chuck lorry and the cast is there and then you're just you're winning you're killing it like because it is a skill set and you started in spin city but then um it's hard to find a leading man handsome leading man who can also be very funny you know so they must have been you know high-fiving at some point behind the scenes like you know just just because you're you're you're great at this too you know thank you thank you um but it was all it was just playing the straight man you know and when i did it in the hot timing you know but yeah i and some of that shots that's right well when i did it in hot shots i was i was borrowing you know a lot of stuff from leslie nielsen yeah you know who better to borrow that was the theme of that was sort of the feel love love that movie hot shot Oh, thank you.

35:39Thank you. And then I was borrowing stuff from Ted Danson on Cheers for two and a half. But I know he's a sober bartender and I was a drunk jingle writer, but just as far as the straight man. And, you know what I'm saying? He's kind of the anchor and all the craziness revolves around, you know, orbits his star, his planet. But you're not putting huge spin and overacting. You're not like Kramer. You know what I mean? You're just saying your lines and they sell themselves with good writing and they know how to write for you.