Jeff Arcuri Wants to Make Mailbox Money

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2:13That's quince.com slash fly. The Thursday show was like people were drunk. People didn't know you couldn't go to the bathroom. So people were like looking for the bathroom near the stage like that. There was a lot of things we messed up on Thursday. They walked toward the stage looking for a bathroom. I've had that. And they go, you go, why do you think it's up here? Somebody quoted me for over a million dollars to tape it. I'm like, yeah, that's insane. No, I'm not going to, you know, put a lien on my house to tape a special. Look at my special on Netflix. It was for the first four days. I had to tell people on Instagram, I'm like, search by my last name.

2:47don't type in Jeff on Netflix because you're going to get it was just Epstein, Dahmer it was just all the lucky guys a lot of fun Jeffries out there alright

3:00Dana Carvey:Jeff McCurry is our guest a up and coming budding stand up special on Netflix called nice to meet you and this gentleman is a guy who's up and coming but he's also out there enough to sell out like, you know, a lot of nights at the Wilbur Theater in Boston, which is very hard to fill up. Even one night, he does a couple. He did a celebrity theater in Arizona, his special where I'm from. Arizona. I've played. I love, I used to do a special there. I love it. And it's in the round. And he got to tape five shows. He'll tell us about it. And to fill it up five times. That reminds me of Nate. When Nate went there, he did four.

3:44And I'm like, you can fill that place four times in a row? Wow.

3:49Dana Carvey:What young people would say about Jeff is he's got motion. Oh, I thought it was moxie. I have moxie. I know all the young people stuff. You know about looks maxing and money maxing now. So anyway, we had a great time with him. We had a couple little technical glitches, but we edited him out. So what you're going to hear is fantastic. You're not going to hear dick. So here he is Let's do it Let's do it, light it up Jeff's in a hotel Oh he is? Not cool, not cool Even though I'm in one Remember when this was really weird And like, you know Yeah, it feels like COVID again Jeff, are you old enough To remember COVID?

4:40Yeah, I'm almost 40

4:44Dana Carvey:don't do that just hang on to those 30s man just go i'm 30 something you don't know you don't need to know anything else i'm 30 i'm turning 39 this year and i've been saying 40 since i was like 37 just to get i usually say it when i need to sound more serious about something like come on i'm almost 40 years old yeah i'm a 40 year old man yeah i do the exact same thing the minute i'm in any decade early early 30s i go i'm almost 40 and then it kept going from there i don't ever want to be surprised like fuck how the sudden was i 40 you know so you're just always kind of future i still say come on i'm a 40 year old guy you're especially great great man right now correct it's outrageously good yeah thank you i mean i loved it i mean i never did a special like that i i first of all celebrity theater that's arizona where i'm from that's where i used to see sticks boston van halen so that's a great theater i didn't do a special there but i've definitely played it and it's great i know uh nate did his there and uh that's a great in the round is a whole yeah louis too that's a whole in the round is you sort of have to get used to it i got a question before we get into the hilarity of it dana when you do it in the round you've done these they came back before the show do you want it to spin I don't think I had it spinning when I played the celebrity theater does it spin I had both they asked me and I said what did you do last time and they said it's it's fun I was like oh man I I think I will just move myself no Jeff you didn't have spinning right it was spinning no no no you just move around they could I think they do that for a lot of bands They have You get to see the whole band Which is very cool You see behind the drum set I did this thing where it kind of lifts up One side of the stage lifts up And it goes like that very subtly And then the whole center goes Up and then down Did you do that one?

6:56Dana Carvey:They press button 3 Yeah I call it a pirate ship Yeah it's like that thing And, you know, if you're killing it, if you're really hitting it, I mean, that's just the laughs go double. The Venus flytrap, you go like this and it goes. And the audience can't see you anymore. Yeah. And then the greatest thing, you say, goodnight, everybody. And it just goes under. Yeah, that's good. And then flowers are on top. But that costs like three K or something. But anyway, those are the jokes, folks, for people listening. Is that real? Those are real. There is a movement or a non-movement. I chose non-movement, not taping.

7:37But I think Nate said he took movement. And I was like, wow, because it does throw you a little bit. It's just not subtle. Not even moving was tough. I remember we recorded a bunch of shows. But the first one we recorded, and I got off with a lot of notes where I was like, I need some way of knowing where I am. because I would be like talking about, you know, I found out like a lot of gay people were on the left side. So I was like, yeah, and the gay people. And I was like, shit, where are they now? You know? And I didn't know where I was on the stage. So we figured out by putting a piece of gaff tape on the stool, we figured out where my 12 o 'clock was.

8:17So whenever I referenced somebody, I'd be like, all right, they're at six, they're at three.

8:22Dana Carvey:Oh, interesting. I went wireless. Well, why did you do it there? I mean, was it a place you'd done once? you loved it and then you wanted to save yourself right so you didn't play there for at least a year or two i assume but you knew it was where it was really good for you right well yeah well they we did it uh actually just under a year prior before i taped it and i called my agent we did three quarter round we didn't do the full we did like three quarters so i had i had a backing to me where i could kind of stay and i just had two awesome shows i did not want to get off stage They were just so fun and so interactive in a way that I'm like, I called my agent at the first show.

9:02And I said, if I ever tape a special for anything, I want it to be here. And I'm glad I did because I was able to do crowd work and have fun with the audience. But it was definitely a bit of a bold first shot at a special just because there's a lot of things I didn't keep in mind. I'm not, you know, your first special should be on a stage that you're used to, that you're comfortable with. And I remember kind of freaking out at like, Oh shit, how do I turn around now? And I was like, figuring it out as yeah you got enough on your mind yeah for sure it's scary enough with just cameras and lights and audiences acting a little different i've done ones where i've said the same thing you'll leave and you go this place would be perfect there's one up in santa rose or somewhere i was dana and i remember we were all the burbank everybody killed and we're like this would be great it's not too huge and then you go i gotta give it space because would i ever get this good of a crowd again or maybe it's the crowd but it's very hard because you did four right four shows celebrity it's hard to fill so in a year which is good we ended up doing we ended up adding a fifth show like a thursday and they're like let's just add this as a rehearsal even if we don't sell it out and i'm like we got to record it i go if we don't record it it's going to be the one i end up wanting to use right yeah of course it'll be the best show you've ever done yeah yeah so you got

10:17Dana Carvey:to record five times you had five shots at this now how was the show that we saw like basically one show or did you mix and match a little bit it was it was 90 of it was from one show it was so i did the thursday show and then i was like i remember getting off knowing it wasn't what i wanted because i could tell by myself but also you ever get off stage and see everyone around you waiting for your reaction yeah like when you get off and then people are just like ah and you're like no and i was just i just knew it wasn't good they they already had that look on their face that they knew it wasn't great but i wasn't worried and then third friday night first show is when i got 90 we got like i cried at the end of it i was like this is it and we got 90 of the cuts from that one show and the rest of it were just every now and then like that's so fantastic that you got five shows i've only done two and i only had one one shot at it one for technical reasons and then you go okay this i only have one shot it's like you know it puts a lot of pressure on it and you feel like you got to get through things one thing i like the way they shot it and the way you use the stage the way you circled around and sometimes you'd look over your shoulder like you're referring to the people behind you you're sort of just like i know you guys are thinking this and the way you were moving it was very good i i wouldn't have anything but a plus on this special i i i don't know you know it seemed like kind of a perfect special for you watching you i don't i mean like a great set right it's just like the crowd work the way you did the crowd work you introduce a subject you might go to them you might not at some point you go to them and then you'll re come back to the subject real bit it's not just all crowd work why it's all integrated into the stuff and so i thought that was really great too you know that's amazing thank you yeah i i wanted it to to come off that way like hey it's it's i i bring people into the show i specifically try and find guys that are maybe not wanting to be into it and then i want to make them the kind of the hero of the show and and like hey it looks like you just came here with your wife but you're now the star you know and i was able to do that like everything worked out really really well um and it was funny because i was kind of freaking out that first month i got the special the first v1 i've i like went into a depression i didn't want to watch it i thought it was going to be garbage and my wife had to kind of like pull me out of it a little bit and like force me to watch it and i finally did and yeah i just started sending it to comics that i trusted and like asking their opinion of it and stuff it's agonizing to go into the edit for some people for me i just i keep putting it off and like you got to get in there And they're like, I go, just get it rough.

13:02Let me see. And then I go in. Now, yours is different because when you're, you know, for the audience, you do some crowd work and you go into the audience now for people listening. So the hard part about that is you're doing callbacks and things. And so when you're doing it with four or five different crowds, when you're cutting, it's hard to say, okay, I kept this one guy. I have to keep that runner or something, right? Isn't it a little complicated that way too? Yeah. Yeah. So there was actually a crazy edit. So 90 % of the show came from one show, but in the beginning, the editor worked his magic.

13:41So the original B1 had like every crowd work interaction. It was like a good 10, 15 minutes longer than the current version because he found a way to fit it all in. But I'm like, a lot of this is just time killer or like nothing funny came out of that crowd work. So we don't need it, you know? and i they basically what i had the way i start every show is i try and find a husband that was brought by a wife that's usually i find that target and i make them the hero and i found two different guys because i'm the i did one guy on the friday show and then another guy on like a saturday show and i use them both as the same role but the way that they edited it and they made it look like i talked to the two guys in a row like not different shows i say oh technically I entered the same end the conversation the same way with both of them but they they twisted the words up and made it seem different yeah I was able to get both guys in for callbacks the whole show because of the way they edit it and dude I was I literally asked to watch because I edit a little bit on adobe and I was like can I watch you edit what you're talking about and I was just watching him flick around and do all this stuff and I was like why did you cut that there and he goes sometimes you just feel it man and I'm like all right you're good at your job I'm not messing Well, if you can cram extra jokes, because you have some shows that are good.

14:57I was with Chris Rock last night, and he said, I've done it for how many years? 30 years? I've had eight great shows. He said, it just sounds crazy. But there's really the kind you just walk away like you got a grand slam. You walk off and you go, done. I can't beat it. I'm up as good as everyone. And then the other ones are pretty good. They vary from, fuck, there's one spot. So when you get a special, it should be the cheat code. and it seems like you're getting it because you're like i had a great thing with this guy but then saturday i agree what if we got them all in the same show i thought you're gonna say you cheated it where you talked and you heard the answer but you didn't see the guy so you gotta laugh thinking it was the same guy or something like that you know you're just talking no but you did it better yeah that's better that's great yeah they you pack it yeah they everyone involved in the team like everybody around it was really cool like i've heard from other people i'm not sure if you guys have experienced this but when they come to taping specials they'll be like hey stop we need to fix your jacket hey stop we need to fix your hair or can we run that again all right hey guys we're gonna run that again i was scared of that happening because that kind of pulls me out of the conversation like making it a conversation that i'm in control of with the audience and so i was glad where he said listen we're lucky enough to do a lot of shows i won't tell you a single thing just go do your show like you normally do your show and then i'll tell you if we're like down to the wire on things and he said straight up he's like every show you did you nailed the things without me saying it like you fixed what you said or what you were gonna who is that alex um jordan levy and uh matt schuler were the producers for this okay great i gotta say like his artistic direction with stuff like the fact that i had a heckler in the beginning as my cold open that was his idea like that was all him and that was pulled away from the thursday show because we the thursday show was like people were drunk people didn't know you couldn't go to the bathroom so people were like looking for the bathroom near the stage like that like there was a lot of things we messed up on thursday they walked toward the stage looking for a bathroom i've had that and they go you go why do you think it's up here get the fuck out of here so dana we're here to talk about Amazon Music.

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20:44I remember at one point, I just conceded. seated and i said straight out because everyone was going to the bathroom i said where are you guys going i go you know what we're not using this one guys you have any questions and i did my whole act i still did the full hour but i got that there was like a sense of relief when i said all right we're not using this one and everyone kind of laughed and then we just the show was better from there on out and i was like i need to go into the into it with that mentality every show like hey we're just having fun we're not going to use this you know yeah they're on the special too so they're probably they you know dane and i talk about this they tighten up a little bit because they see lights like oh my god i don't know if i should wear this because they think they're going to be cameras on them and they don't react just like a regular great crowd would i've gone on stage and within the first minute of a special going i can't believe i got a tough crowd on my own special like you know what i mean the gigs are going great you lead up to it you got these great crowds and the night it happens there's lights are in their eyes and they're distracted and they can't get up and pee and there's no booze or anything and they're like ah what the fuck are we doing here and then you go yeah tough they're gonna be tough some would argue that if you were to like the the worst time to see a comedian is that a special saving yeah you know if you're gonna see them for the first time it should be uh on the working it out you know i'll

22:02Dana Carvey:start well so there's there's there's lights and cameras around and they know they're part of this thing. I mean, there can be attention to it, but you, your attitude was so, I could tell you're legitimately really having a good time. And I think the five shows really helps. I do. You could have one and hit it like that, but you never know. But I like, when I watched Sandler's that one special, he taped it all over the country. And I go the first time I'm watching a performer who doesn't know he's shooting a special. It might be in the special. It might We're going to do 40 of them in different countries.

22:38Dana Carvey:You had a sense of that vibe for that Friday show of just, I'm just, I'm throwing a personal party. You know, there was no, no sense of like pushing because you'll see really good standups and their eyes are just a little bit tight, just slightly before you can tell they're not in the pocket with their set. They still got all the material they're going to kill, but it's very common. and yours didn't have that. You know what you heard probably, Jeff, is on the first... Well, you did. I usually have two tapings. I think Dana also. You have an early and late... Well, I have a technical problem with one and then I have one real shot.

23:20Right. So when I did my... For every special I've done, I do the first one and you go back and someone says, that was... You hit it out of the park. We got it. So just go have fun. It's like such psychological stuff to make you go, oh, I'm going to relax. And then later, we already won. And then later, we used the whole second show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The first one's a little off and I'm like, wait, you told me the first fucking home run. Yeah.

23:48Dana Carvey:Scam. I mean, to some of your peers, your friends, guys in your world, I was just doing a thing with Adam Ray last night when he talked about you in very positive terms. That's great. Doing this Dr. Phil thing and I wonder Oh, nice. Yeah, it was funny. I was just out there and he's doing, you know, his thing is very, a great crowd in a small club, Oxnard Improv. But anyway, like when your generation is shooting specials, do people, how is it different? Like does everyone shoot five or was yours, is that unique? You got five tapings or? No, that's, that's crazy. Our, our goal was, was like hey i'd love three you know and we luckily like you know we could say it was for netflix so we put it on sale and it sold really really well and then we thought hey you know we need to make the money back because the specials you lose money on them um the way the deals are kind of set up now where you're you know you're they're paying you for a special once you deliver right yeah yeah some say for the people at home sometimes people pay it out of their pocket and put it on if they can't sell they put on youtube still can do well some people do it and then sell it to a streamer after the fact they pay for it which is pretty expensive and then sell it and some people get the money from the streamer keep some and use the rest to produce it so yeah you You went the way where you make it and then sell it.

25:23Is that what you said? No, we, so basically they, they offered, Hey, do you want to make a special for us? Okay. For Netflix. And then they give you, it's, it's, it's public knowledge. I think I've talked about it on a couple podcasts. It was the two for two deal or whatever, where it's two years. You get, they get the special for two years for$200 ,000. And obviously it takes more than that to tape a special. And I went like low end. I got quoted. Somebody quoted me for over a million dollars to tape it. and i'm like oh yeah that's insane no i'm not gonna you know put a lien on my house to take yeah also you have to let me interject what we're saying dame and i are saying about one show two shows one night is because of crew and unions and if you even do one show on thursday they're like well that's a whole another day if they got a clock in catering it's just like certain rules you're going to pay a chunk for each day.

26:17So they try to get everything into one day and you get two days, you got three days. So you must have invested in yourself, which is great actually. Yeah. I said, let's just do it. Like, that's why I was like, Hey, just pay them for the extra day. Like we'll figure it out. And, uh, I kind of, I kind of like this system though. I mean, some people would say, yeah, it'd be easier the way like comedy central used to do it where they'd be like, all right, let's film five specials in one show. in new Orleans or wherever and we'll get it all we'll take care of everything we'll pay you each twenty thousand dollars whatever it may be and then that special is ours and now there are comedians that can't get their own material back because you know it's owned by you know Viacom or whatever um so that is kind of cool that we get the ownership back as part of the initial deal is that in two years I can then flip it onto YouTube and for free not even monetizing it or I can do whatever with it.

27:11It'll be mine again. You know, two is pretty quick. I would think it would be longer. I didn't even know. I don't know where mine are. I got to ask Alex. I don't know.

27:19Dana Carvey:You answered my question. So it's, it's a, it's fantastic system that you're going to own that in two years. It's great. Yeah. I didn't think they can offer you another lease. Like if it does well enough, like, or whatever they can, Hey, they can do like a six year lease or something like that, which that'd be great. I'd like that to get paid again for something I already did. I'd appreciate that. Mailbox money. I like that free money out of nowhere. Yeah. You guys got a lot of that random residual money? Dana doesn't like money.

27:55Dana Carvey:The only thing I got lucky with was Wayne's World 1. That's still, you know, get mailbox money from Wayne's World. The first Wayne's World. Why not two? It was made so cheap. to everyone everything got into we satirized kind of selling out in the first one where we wore all the gear and it's really sad that people then the second one we kind of did what we sat in the first film the money came in i walked on the set and wayne and garth had this layer like this five hundred thousand dollar layer we were rich and there are statues of stalin out front it's like too much money uh for comedy sometimes you know but run and run and gun but in in the early days we uh you'd try to get up front your people try to get you a bunch of money and then they would just own it and they would tell you what to do kind of and how many shows you could shoot so this is sort of uh very satisfying to hear this other way that people are doing it more control you know yeah yeah i think we're taking that movie busboys it's going on hulu in august and then we get it back at some point so it's kind of the same thing with a movie because we paid for the movie so they get it i think it's for maybe two years again something like that 18 months and then either could re-up it or we can take it over to tbs and push it between Grown Ups 1 and Joe Dirt.

29:26Whatever's on TBS that day, Ben Schwarmers. I love it though. No, that's great. So this is very interesting. I think people are learning about specials from you because it's just sort of a blur. People are like, oh, that guy's got a special. Why is it on Hulu? Why is it on Netflix? Why is it on Amazon? I've done one Amazon, Comedy Central, and then two other places. Oh, HBO in the old days. yeah and then one more but they're kind of floating all over the place and i will say comedy central was seen by the least including dana dana kept trying to watch he's like i can't get it i can't find it i can't i try to get on their website and log in and sign up i couldn't find it hard to get and i'm like this should not be the way it is it should be so don't make it

30:12Dana Carvey:like indiana jones or something the crystal skull we're trying to find it yeah oh yeah you should look up my special on Netflix. It was for the first four days. I had to tell people on Instagram, I'm like, search by my last name. Don't type in Jeff on it in Netflix because you're going to get, it was just Epstein, Dahmer. It was just all the money. A lot of fun Jeffries out there. And your last name is hard to say in the time. I didn't remember how to spell it when I was looking up today. And I'm like, wait, how do you spell that? Yeah, neither did the Laugh Factory. I clicked in on Dahmer accidentally.

30:54Dana Carvey:I just watched her a few minutes and it was surprisingly funny. He does crowd work too. It's not as good as your special, but it was surprisingly had some pop to it. I don't know why I don't know this. Does Netflix allow clips or would that be later? Why don't I know that? Is Netflix going to clip it and put it out there? They gave me a bunch that they collaborated on. Okay, so that's good. Our team hired people. They just basically cut it into that format for us. And it's Netflix as a joke. Yeah, it's the first time I ever let somebody else edit my stuff. Every clip I posted before that was edited on the road.

31:38So I was like, I hope it does well. And they both did better than any of my clips. And I'm like, all right, time to give up the editing. They know what they're doing. Well, that's good. They also look so polished and they look so good. Those Netflix specials look great. and I don't think they will accept one that doesn't look great. If someone films it and wants to sell it, you have to spend money because Ted and the gang over there, Robbie, they don't want to have some shitty looking one camera in the back of the Ontario Improv. Which Jeffrey Epstein did his special, by the way, dude.

32:08Dana Carvey:Where does it? Where does it? Where does it? Where does it? Where does it? Jeffrey Epstein did his at the Ontario Improv, but Dahmer did his at the Comedy Store in La Jolla. I thought it was Punchline, San Francisco. Punchline. No, it was funny bones. But yeah, we're in a clip world. I mean, we'll get some clips sometimes that will go millions. It doesn't really count toward our business model or downloads. Because I'll watch a lot of clips too, you know, just this clip. So you'll probably get millions and millions. And so as far as the special, what, you know, what the press is kind of teasing out is your wife's breast cancer and that whole relationship with her.

32:50Dana Carvey:So, and I thought you navigated perfect, but that was like, you know, obviously Dana, what if you're the one telling him right now? I'm sorry. I have to tell you.