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21:48Dana Carvey:Isn't it fun to kind of play the alpha, you know? I mean, he's kind of a badass, but you're sensitive, at least what I saw. But you're on a horse galloping and you're in this huge truck. And I don't know, it just seems fun to me. I've never been offered that role. You know, it's like... And I never get to be the church lady, goddammit. Yeah. I want to be the church lady.

22:13Dana Carvey:I'm writing a movie starting tomorrow and you're going to be the church lady. The church lady. Well, it's a little thing called growth hormones. We're larger now. Get used to it, bitches. Yeah, I can see you doing that. I mean, do you have a thing where you feel like you were in Transformers, this and that? Do you have a thing to do a wacky comedy? Have you felt you've done a really wacky one, almost like Wayne's World or Joe Dirt? or you know well those are truly my those are my favorite movies to be honest um that's why i'm so stoked to be on the show today wow huge fan of both of you honestly i'm not just saying that because i'm here um but i do i love fairly movies i love adam sandler movies i love todd phillips and all those guys and you know we did a movie i directed it a couple years ago we We did two of them now called Buddy Games, which is just ridiculous.

23:05Yes. It is. They're hard R's. Our boy Nick Swartzen. Sadly with Nick Swartzen.

23:10Dana Carvey:We wanted to ask you about that. Two things. One is you're directing these movies, so you're making that leap. Their balls out R-rated funny, and you have Nick Swartzen. What could go wrong? And Olivia Munn and Kevin Dillon, at least in the first one. Max was in it. James Roday. Yeah, we had a really funny cast. um man that was just like you know that talk about terrifying directing was like something i always wanted to do and felt like i could but didn't think i knew enough but then i realized that i knew enough to know that i didn't have to know everything and just surrounded myself with really good people like nick what is the hard part come in you come in and you know you've got as a director opposed to being an actor so you've got to be part of all the prep it's it's sometimes it seems to be so much prep that once you're there 90 % of the hard stuff is done because there's so many decisions then you're like now we just got to go but that's got to be hard because I'm not in those when you're not directing so you set up and everything's ready and you know you can tweak things but you've got to go with what you got so that's probably a lot of the hard part yeah it's all about the prep for sure but even even even when you're prepped things rarely go yeah exactly exactly because you never have enough time or money or you know weather or you know change locations last minute you're like i gotta do this whole scene in this now does this make any sense yeah dan back at all broke his leg oh wow at the exact halfway point of the first movie i mean we built this big slide and he he kind of he wanted to do it we he was supposed to have a stunt guy but he's like i'm gonna do it And sure enough, he's going down feet first, should have gone head first, turns, bangs the crap out of his leg.

24:57And he had this, it wasn't a break. It was called a subdermal hematoma, I think is what they called it. It was always worse than a break. And he couldn't walk for the rest of the movie. He literally had to sit down in between takes and raise his leg up. And so anytime we had him moving, we had to throw in this body double. and so that of course changed the way we shot scenes but man that guy was a warrior he battled through it it was a rough one you'd never know watching the movie but it's things like that you just have to be able to make decisions and be able to switch on the fly when you have really good actors and a good DP and a good crew you're able to do it and that's really what I needed was all those things

25:47Dana Carvey:I used to think it was just knowing lenses when I was younger, like technical things. And now I realize what Spielberg has, just using his example, is blink. I mean, all the other stuff can be learned, but then it's like in the moment, oh, we got it. That's funny or that's going to work. And so that's all the director, the sensibility, if it comes through one guy's sensibility, is usually better than having too many cooks. Yeah, and I think that there's a lot of different, some directors are much more technical. They do understand every lens. and I wish I had paid more attention, honestly, early in my career so I would have known more about that stuff.

26:25But it's just about your relationship with your DP. DP does that. But if you said, we're going to do a two-shot here, does he suggest a lens, does he even mention it? Or does he say, I think we should do this, and you go, I get what you mean, okay, that makes sense. Yeah, or they'll show you through their little thing. They're able to take their phone now and just sort of say, okay. Oh, with the phone, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they can tell you what the shot looks like and they have different lenses that show you like oh that's great yeah oh yeah i mean there's a million things you can do but really it's it's about the prep it's about the you know getting making it through all of the landmines that come about while shooting and then the fun part is really editing that's yeah that's where the movie gets you can find a movie in there and you got to just tell nick to bring it down a million percent every couple minutes nick is actually nick is actually that guy i'm just so proud of that dude he's sober now yeah you know and you know while we shot he was always he never drank you know which was really impressive it is for yeah it's true i was with him yeah it's true he he sits on set all day every day and sort of sits and punches up jokes yeah streaming he's great for that he was that on the wrong miss he was that on do over.

27:45He would sit. You guys work together a lot, have you? Yeah, it's not great, but yeah. Listen, it's not great news, but it's news. No, I have sushi with him and I know he's not drinking because he's always grouchy. Do we have to go where you want to go? Why the fuck are you always like this? I go, Nick, you live downtown. Why am I going downtown for anything? I don't even want to go to a Lakers game down there and get gunned down. You live in downtown now? Yeah, you'll come to where people actually live.

28:15Dana Carvey:Downtown? I thought he lived over by Barney's Beanery. He lives behind Coy. He did for a long time. Barney's Beanery area. I always thought he had a tunnel into Barney's Beanery because he was there so much. I go, no one's actually seen you except there. Do you go under? Pops up. Like a fucking meerkat. Meerkat? No, but if you have in a movie, you can get Meerkat Manor. If you have him in a movie, you're going to get laughs. And also he can help punch up. So he's valuable. And he's just a very sweet person. He really is. And he's a Vikings fan, which doesn't hurt. He does like the Vikings. So you're from North Dakota.

28:57Dana Carvey:What's your team? Where do you intersect? Also Vikings, Twins, Timberwolves. Okay, because you're close. Because you're in Minnesota now. I was listening. Lake House. Yeah. And I have questions. When you do Transformers, we're jumping around, but Transformers, oh, a couple of people saw it. I heard some applause. Three Transformers? Three of them. And is Shia in any of these at this point or not? Yeah, so Shia was in the first three. And then I didn't do the fourth and I ended up doing the fifth. But yeah, I worked with Shia in the first three. Oh, you were in three and then another one? No, one, two, and three, and then five.

29:37Oh, so you were in four. Wow. Yeah. Great. wait, Shia, I mean, he seems, first of all, he's a pretty good actor, and he seems like a cool dude, but I know he steps in shit a lot, but I feel like, was he cool? He seems like a cool dude. I love him. I really do. Oh, good, okay. You know, he's misunderstood. He's a little bit complicated, I guess. Sure. But also, when he's sober, he's amazing, you know? I'm not sure where he's at now with all that, but he was uh he was just a kid when we started i mean he was i'm true story we're at i'm at the airport flying to new mexico for the first day of shooting this movie which was a giant break for me i was like oh my huge movie michael bay yeah and shia who was this kid you know i think he was 17 or 18 years old shows up with a black eye at the airport he went to a Dodgers game the night before and got into a fight in the parking lot after the game and we start shooting in like two days and I was like oh my god this kid just doesn't care but not that he doesn't care about the work he just full on sort of like Jimmy in a lot of ways but super talented a sweetheart of a guy and I got nothing but love for him honestly And the movies work.

31:02I mean, and you were there for the Megan Fox ones too, right? Yep. And you had, and then she did how many? Just one? I think she did the first two, didn't she? I don't remember. I think it's more than one. Did you just do the first one? And then it was in Australia. I mean, they kind of, it's always going to be, once she was out, they're like, okay, we need something gorgeous. We need a gorgeous girl, not something. We need a gorgeous actress and they can act. and they were coming through. Yeah, he's got an eye for that, Michael Bay. He knows how to find them.

31:37Dana Carvey:He knows what he's doing. I just want to mention about Shyla is the movie he did about his dad explained a lot. Is that called Honey Bear or something? Yeah, it was so twisted. It was such a twisted to have a parent jealous of your success and all the competition. Yeah, I think that's where a lot of the complication came from. I mean, I don't know for sure what the story is there. But he can be brilliant as an actor. He's incredible in that movie. He truly is an incredible actor. He really is. He is. Super intense and is able to access that so quickly. I was mostly impressed at just how talented he was.

32:16Fearless, because, you know, he was the lead of this big movie and just like went for it. I just have to ask you, because it's in my head.

32:24Dana Carvey:What did they do about the black guy? Did they have you punch him the first day or something? I don't remember what they did. I was shooting a sequence, too. I was like, what were you thinking getting into a fight the night before we're leaving? Walked away. Hey, dude, I'm starting a$300 million movie. Yeah. You're a good man. I'm weak. I'm walking away now. I say that to get out of any fight. I'm starting a$300 million movie tomorrow, guys, or I would just beat the shit up everyone in here. And they go, I thought it was Buzzboys. I go, the budget's getting up there. when someone says to you in a parking lot what are you looking at you got to say uh nothing goodbye you can't go anything you don't go what what do you mean what are you looking at what are you looking at hey do me a favor get the fuck out of here you know i just want to do that character all day once you said joe pesci i'm off with the races so the thing about directing like everyone has always said just direct you can't spend your story you just so how much better did you feel with the second one, the sequel, Buddy Games' Spring Awakening?

33:27Dana Carvey:Because there was a second one. Yes. I feel better. I felt a little bit more confident, I guess. Confident, yeah. That I knew what to look out for, you know, because the first time you're doing anything like that, you obviously make a bunch of mistakes and you learn from those. But the second one just presented a whole new slew of, you know, but it was it really was a lot i mean it was i just love those guys rode back at all swartz and dylan they're all just such great guys and really sort of patient so they they came ready to go not ready to adapt yeah and they were great and and i think that when you have guys like that it just makes it a lot easier do you get to use your first ad your dp did you try to get everyone sort of the same because you had a system at that point yes a lot we had a lot of the same crew there some are gone in kind of the same area some of you know some of them were off working somewhere else but for the most part we had the same team were they both in the same city i'm sorry to interrupt you were they the same city no well no because it was it was vancouver-ish but we were out at this place called Lake Harrison for the second one.

34:52That's complications too. It's different crew. You have to use some local crew. You have to use some local talent. Maybe I'm just crazy. This is what it used to be. No. It'd be nice to be able to work with the same people all the time, but people get jobs elsewhere and they're not available. Like my DP. I didn't get to use the same DP because his mother was sick. He was from the UK and he couldn't make it. So we had a different DP who was also 30. Also, sometimes you're saying, hey, we're starting in January and then they clear it and then you go, he got pushed to April and they're like, I got to take something.

35:28And then it's so complicated that you go, oh. Yeah. Yeah. That's the hard part about it. That's especially if it's under a$30 million budget. If it's not like a tentpole, it's something they just are locked into. Things can be moved. Things get pushed. People fall out. It's tough to coordinate. Yeah. But the thing that I've really learned from this, and I think it was just in general for me in all facets, was that I was able to, one of the things I guess I'm most proud of was I was able to get, whether it's my wardrobe or my hair and makeup team or my art department, I let them go do their, I said, okay, I gave them an idea of what I wanted and I let them be the artists that they are rather than try to micromanage it too much because then they felt enlisted in going out and sort of walking through walls because then it was like all of us were moving in the same direction um you know and i've worked with directors all different kinds of directors some that were micromanaging and some and they you know everybody's kind of operating out of a sense of fear and there are some that felt like they're all part of a the thing where we're all we're all working towards the same objective.

36:41We really did a good job of that, you know, because we didn't have a lot of money or a lot of time. We had to get these days shot or we didn't, we just wouldn't get it. So, you know.

36:52Dana Carvey:It seems like actors make better directors often because they know what it's like. You're so vulnerable and the camera's on and the crew's watching, you're doing multiple takes or maybe you blew a few lines. And so anyway, I just assume you'd be naturally good at it, you know, just because your experience on the other side. I don't have any big studios knocking on my door, so I don't know how good at it I am. Well, do you ask Ransom Canyon if down the line you can do it? Yeah, Josh. Yeah. Transformers, of course. All right. Thanks, Steven. Spielberg. Oh, good. Going to call you. Oh, good. I was going to ask you being a leading man.

37:30Dana Carvey:It wasn't something that David... Well, David did some romantic things. Did you ever have somebody that you either kind of fell in love with secretly or you knew that they had fallen in love with you? You don't have to name names. I'm not looking for a trend, but, you know. On set with like a – Yeah. Co-star? Kristen Bell, Jennifer Lopez. No. No, no, no. No, I never did. Thank God. No. Minka Kelly. Thankfully, they all had significant others. but even then it's like I just knew how problematic that could be I mean I haven't been perfect but I have never gotten romantically involved with her and plus I was always you know either in a relationship or marriage so no yeah okay sorry I got that off my list you know there's always beautiful people in the showbiz so I can see why it happens in the world and uh the hard thing is going for movies even friendships you're like so locked with people especially you when you're directing with your whole crew and then everyone splits it's such a it's such a weird mind fuck that people don't really take into consideration and then the next one you you sort of have to slowly get to know everybody and then by the end the wrap party you're like wait we're leaving and then you're everyone just gone and you might never talk to them again in your life you might stay in touch but everyone's busy and work is the best way to keep friends together because if you all have to be somewhere common goal then you stay into it's very hard to keep it going i feel like sandler's done a really good job of that hasn't he that's why we're all crazy sandler's a singularity there's no one like adam sandler in terms of the amount of work he does how loyal he is to his friends i mean they're gonna do grown-ups three that's out right so i mean they're all the posses back together there chris rob schneider david i mean he's the best example of i think what david just said is you know keeping you know that crew that that team or those that group of friends together but it's hard to do and every movie and every project as you guys know is like a summer camp everybody comes together and it's like you you're just getting to know everybody's name and then it's time to go home yeah and then you do it and then you do it again but it's like building a little business for however long this production is on and then it all goes away and then you go on to the next one so for sanity purposes it helps to have be around the same people it's just like so odd because la you know you're in vancouver swartzen goes this you know i have friends here then everyone splits off and stand-up comedians you're friends with the on the road it's same kind of thing no one's really one spot for too long no we're all we're all vagabonds

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41:44What do you think about the chance that production starts coming back to Los Angeles? I'm hearing some, I know that's on the top of mind for some of these, Paul, some of these, especially the mayoral candidates, but do you think they're going to do anything about it? What do you think the first step is tax breaks or try to compete with all these places?

42:07Dana Carvey:Sandler did Happy Gilmore in New Jersey. And this is what I read. I'm not, so it's in whatever Hollywood Reporter. Just it was$150 million budget. And then they got it down to a$90 million budget because of the tax credits. However, that works. In Los Angeles? No. In New Jersey. Like Netflix is moving their major headquarters to New Jersey. New Jersey, at least in the States, is saying, come on down. But California didn't keep up. It's got a lot of pensions to pay. It's got a lot of money going elsewhere. So it wasn't easy. but they weren't matching New Orleans or now even Toronto. People are going to Romania, as you know, London, Ireland.

42:52We shoot Ransom Canyon in New Mexico. They got a huge, Netflix has a huge, huge state. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what it is. I mean, when I do a movie or TV show, it's literally someone, first of all, they say they don't even consider LA. They go, they look at some, it's really just a chart. They go, this one gives 13 % tax break. So let's say you spend this much money, you get money back. And that's a$20 million movie can be shot for, you know,$16 million. They save$4 million. That's all they want to hear. And here it costs$20 or more.

43:24Dana Carvey:It's all math. Rob Lowe told us about his game show, The Floor, and they just had to move the entire American contestant, everybody to Dublin. Really? To Dublin. Rob Lowe's? Rob Lowe's? game show the floor has to be done in dublin because you can shoot for three weeks there at the same price of one day or something incredible the differential so but the the good news is is like you can no one knows where anyone is anymore like you can you can just be in minot or whatever we're just going to zoom in or you know no one has to be in the olden days you got to go to sardis and have a drink and your manager would network and now it's just i don't know if it'll ever come back to where it was paramount is trying to do it the ellison twins or whatever you know yeah i mean it'd be nice to work at work here once in a while yeah and you know it just feels like fewer and fewer things are being shot here and you know it's fine if you're if we can go elsewhere and work but what about the crew that lives here and that's that's the really sad part all those people a lot of them have had to move and scrambling for money and And that's the real because the so-called stars, they can move around.

44:41Dana Carvey:But, yeah, they're fixed in one place and they're professional set designers and grips and all that. How about we lose the high-speed rail and then we have showbiz back? 100 % back. Just keep giving the high-speed rail money as tax incentives. $20 billion gets you a mile. I'm not even saying that's a good or bad thing. I'm just saying$20 billion gets you a mile. I want to bid on that. I can beat that. I would love, I like European high-speed trains. I don't really like airports or flying. I would love a high-speed train. But it started when I was in eighth grade. And I have to live to 140 to ride on it.

45:20Dana Carvey:Other than that, it's terrific. It's not even built yet. They're like, I've seen renderings. I've seen them for 10 years. When do they make it? I don't know. What's North Dakota like? Is it a pretty reasonable? Yeah, how's their high-speed rail? What's their state tax? well i'm wherever you feel you're a resident resident of north dakota oh oh wow smart and i can tell you i've been a resident there for years but um yeah my wife was from there you know our house is there i love montana i love north dakota i love that part of america i love the mountains i like the lakes i mean west western montana in the in the summer uh it's it's a love fest but so you you're that's great so you're not it gets pretty thirsty down here as david would say as far as taxes it's pretty pretty sad it does it's crazy it's crazy you know it would be one thing if i knew where they were going but i i just doesn't look around like where we pay more taxes minnesota is also really bad for taxes yeah but you got your own things up there yeah i i'd like to kind of i i just want to go for a second like what are you what do you like out in the world in in up in north dakota everyone leaves you alone you wear a baseball cap you're just you're just blend in and then when you're on your lake house you're just going to the are you to fish there do you water ski i mean what do you what's your life up in those mountains so we have a we have a our place in fargo which is you know fargo is actually a bustling little town it really is there's a lot of it's like a real city right yeah it's yeah it's a it's really fun town too i mean people know of it from the movies and the tv shows and it's it's uh it's very different than that but But, you know, it's I just I just love North Dakota.

47:17I love the people there. I love how I love the way they live their lives. It's very it's a little bit slower.

47:25Dana Carvey:Yeah. Not everyone's talking about politics. No, the cabin life is just kind of my it's just absolute freedom out there. So I bought over the last 15, 16, maybe 17 years now. I bought like a little half a parcel for 12, 12 acres for like nothing. And then the other half of that parcel went up for sale when the old guy, Cody died. Then I had 26 acres with a little cat, little shack of a cabin with no electricity, no water, but it was a cabin. It was a structure. I got a cabin. I'm not going to sleep there with the rats or the mice or the raccoons. And then the one next to that went up for sale.

48:06so it was like i had now i had i got it for nothing i'll tell you i'll tell you what i paid for 189 000 for 26 acres i'll give you one i don't know and right on the water yeah so it was like you know the amount you can get there versus what you pay for it here is crazy oh my god i'm not sure i would be able to get it for that now but then all of a sudden i had two little cabins and like 50 acres on this place and i never planned to do that i just wanted something out there somewhere that I could just get away and go, you know, fish and stuff like that. Well, it's turned into like a whole passion of mine because I just love, and I started moving dirt and I started shaping it and, and, you know, and then we built, we actually built a property because the other two were so small, we couldn't have any families.

48:53Like these cabins are so small, they're just big enough for three people or family of three. And so, you know, it's, what I think I love the most about it is I just get out there and it's just my heart rate drops about 25 percent it's just much less of uh that my priorities change too I feel like I have purpose by you know I'm always working on something where I don't even mow my own lawn here I just you know

49:20Dana Carvey:are you homesteading it or did you get services did you get water from the city and hook it up Well, we had to dig wells. Each of the cabins has a well. We operate off propane, solar. You know, for the first few years, there was no bathroom. We had electricity in the little cabin, the second one, but no water. So we were like washing our dishes in the lake. It was like homesteading. But I loved it. It was like so different than anything I'd ever done before. That's Dana's place right now. uh i like all that everything you're talking about i i love being on a lake uh montana uh it is just magic there's a vibe and an atmosphere you can't quite describe but it's it's completely different i mean that's awesome that you do that you know good for the soul yeah then a week later you're on a night shoot somewhere in atlanta you're like it might be rude but i'm playing minneapolis and i kind of like to take a little vacay i mean i i'm not going to say what's the address and where's the hide a key but i'm just saying i would like you are welcome anytime and i mean that i mean it you can take you can take the little red cabin on the water i like the sound of that it's really it's really cute it's tiny yeah and would you have a boat do you have a little uh fisher boat or do you have like a speed boat or do you have a canoe we just bought just splurged and bought a pontoon because i hadn't ours was old god have it on too yeah uh i got a little fishing boat out there and a couple old jet skis but that oh and so a seaplane i wish so there's this so we did i did this movie a couple years ago with j-lo shotgun wedding and there was this movie or there's this not movie there's this boat that was kind of in the beginning of the movie and at the end, it was going to throw a little picnic for her in the movie.

51:23And it was this old 54 Chris Craft. And I was like, what's up with that boat? And I said, we paid a lot of money for this thing. I said, well, I'll give you this for it. They said, no, no, we paid this. What are they going to do with it? I let it go. Well, about six months later, they come back and they say, you still want the boat? And I said, well, I'll give you like half as much as I offered before. And they said, fine. They took it. And then it was over in Puerto Rico or something. I had to get it all the way back to the States. And finally, they were having to do all that. And they said, you know what?

51:57It's yours. So they gave it to me. They gave it to you. So you just. They gave it to me, which there's a little more to this story. So I ended up getting it back to Florida. And I had somebody pick it up in Florida and drive it to Fargo. And I have this old guy named David Selvig. And he's got two buddies who help him. He restores these old boats. And it looks beautiful on the outside. when they opened it up man it was shit it was a whole it was a it was a huge money pit so that free bolt went to you know you pay not free right but it's all done now and it's out of the water and it's fun it's a really cool ride wow so you know all right dan we're gonna let josh go but i want to ask him about in genie in a bottle video did you ever think you'd have to worry about money again and did you have to go in the bottle what was that you were the hot guy in the video i love that i love that song i love that video um but i don't remember you and so what is it she's jumping around and then you're a hot guy well you don't know you don't you don't remember me in it because i was in it like that long i like that it's the number one thing on your resume they're like please mention this literally you can't if you're not if you're not watching super closely you'll never see me in the video i auditioned for the lead guy it's a bit the videos about these this group of guys who crashes christina's slumber party on the beach in malibu i like it's a story one of the guys that it's great you're not the hottest guy that this is insane that guy you could hot circles around that guy i don't care uh all right well ransom Ransom Canyon.

53:36Ransom Canyon. You got a 23rd. Second season starts.

53:41Dana Carvey:And there's a season on right now. Yep. Love it. Ransom Canyon. Nice chatting with you, buddy. All right, guys.

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