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Podcast Summary: Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - Episode with Kevin O’Leary
Episode Overview In this episode of *Fly on the Wall*, hosts Dana Carvey and David Spade welcome Kevin O'Leary, popularly known as "Mr. Wonderful" from *Shark Tank*. The conversation revolves around O'Leary's transition from business mogul to actor in the film *Marty Supreme*, his experiences on *Shark Tank*, and insights into life in showbiz and business.
Key Themes and Discussions
Kevin O’Leary's Acting Debut
- O'Leary discusses his first significant acting role in *Marty Supreme*, directed by Josh Safdie.
- He humorously mentions an alternate ending where he wanted to portray a more vindictive character.
- Highlights the absurdity and challenges of his character, particularly a scene where he has to spank Timothée Chalamet's character.
Life on *Shark Tank*
- O'Leary reflects on *Shark Tank*'s rocky start, mentioning it was canceled three times before becoming a cultural phenomenon.
- Discusses the show's appeal as a family-friendly program that embodies the essence of the American Dream.
- Shares insights on business strategies and the challenges of scaling products beyond initial success.
Entrepreneurial Wisdom
- Emphasizes the importance of problem-solving in business and identifying consumer pain points.
- Discusses the transition from small-scale success to managing larger operations, highlighting the need for strong executional skills.
- O'Leary offers practical advice for entrepreneurs, stressing the importance of understanding market demands and the process of scaling a business.
Personal Philosophy and Views
- O'Leary shares his views on wealth, success, and personal freedom, suggesting that entrepreneurship is more about pursuing personal freedom than just making money.
- He reflects on the importance of honesty and transparency in both business and personal life.
- Discusses the dynamics of his relationships with fellow *Shark Tank* investors, including Mark Cuban and Barbara Corcoran.
Commentary on Current Events
- The conversation touches on various current topics, including the state of the economy, electric vehicles, and the competitive landscape with China.
- O'Leary provides a critical perspective on government policies around green energy and manufacturing.
Light-hearted Banter and Humor
- The episode is filled with comedic exchanges between O'Leary, Carvey, and Spade, showcasing their chemistry and ability to riff on various topics.
- O'Leary's self-deprecating humor about his "Mr. Wonderful" persona and his confidence in his appearance adds a layer of levity to the discussion.
Key Takeaways
- O'Leary's journey from businessman to actor illustrates the merging of different worlds in entertainment.
- The success of *Shark Tank* emphasizes the American Dream's allure, showcasing real people with real innovations.
- Entrepreneurship requires a mix of creativity, knowledge, and executional skills, especially when scaling a business.
- Personal freedom is a core motivator for many entrepreneurs, highlighting the intrinsic value of pursuing one's passions.
Closing Remarks The episode wraps up with anticipation for the premiere of *Marty Supreme* and a light-hearted commentary on the dynamics of Hollywood and entrepreneurship. O'Leary's transition from business to acting is portrayed as both an opportunity and an extension of his multifaceted career.
Contact Information For questions or to engage with the show, listeners can reach out via email at [flyonthewall@audacy.com](mailto:flyonthewall@audacy.com).
*Fly on the Wall is produced by Audacy and offers a humorous and insightful glimpse into the lives of entertainers and entrepreneurs.*
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOKevin O'Leary's Unique Journey
0:45 to 1:44
Exploration of Kevin O'Leary's journey from financial advisor to actor.
“I mean, my God, it's as cool as it gets.”
Wealth and Perspective
1:44 to 4:11
Discussion on the impact of wealth and personal confidence.
“Kevin O 'Leary, you know, he's really interesting.”
The Evolution of Shark Tank
4:11 to 6:16
Insights into the challenges Shark Tank faced before becoming popular.
“I mean, when you're on like a cable show, then you've got to do the sound bites.”
Business Secrets Revealed
6:16 to 8:24
Kevin shares insights on what drives product success in business.
“I'm glad they didn't go into, like, Shark Tank Island where then they're all dating.”
The Importance of Execution
8:24 to 10:40
Discussion on the challenges founders face as their businesses grow.
“Now, I mentioned it earlier, but I'll give you an example.”
Acting in a Major Film
10:40 to 12:40
Kevin talks about his experience acting in a film for the first time.
“He goes, I don't want to do this part of it.”
Creative Disagreements in Film
12:40 to 14:01
Kevin shares his creative differences with filmmakers regarding his role.
“I said, this guy, this Marty Mauser, if he really did this to me in real life, I would fuck him over so badly.”
Marty Supreme and Acting Challenges
14:01 to 17:40
Explore the challenges and dynamics of acting alongside established stars.
“And listen, I've been to a couple of premieres and people are howling at the moon at the end saying, wait a second, it's a huge narrative, a big disagreement about whether Marty paid the full price he should have.”
Shark Tank Insights and American Dreams
18:55 to 28:00
Discuss insights from Shark Tank and the essence of the American dream.
“Dein Magen knurrt lauter als der Bürohund.”
Real Estate Trends in Florida
28:00 to 28:30
Discover the shifting real estate market dynamics in Florida.
“the rockettes i went downstairs and bought some gloves today i'm supporting the economy here but I'm not living here.”
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Red Carpet Experiences
28:30 to 29:32
Hear about the unique experiences and pressures of attending red carpet events.
“And, um, you know, I've, I've never done this kind of gig before, but boy, it's crazy.”
Fashion Choices for the Spotlight
29:32 to 31:06
Learn about the importance of fashion choices for high-profile events.
“And you're going, how will you, you're going to get a lot of compliments.”
Cultural Insights from a Canadian Perspective
31:06 to 32:58
Explore the cultural differences and connections between Canada and the US.
“I was talking, like, I'm talking to all the, I wear Prada and Dolce, but Dolce lately said to me, look, we can make you a tux from 1952 with the thread from 1952.”
Economic Perspectives on Canada and China
32:58 to 34:18
Understand the economic relationship between Canada, the US, and China.
“Personally, what I think should happen, forget about the rhetoric, is we should just join forces in terms of the economies.”
Insights on Crypto Investment
34:18 to 36:20
Gain insights into investing in cryptocurrency and the market landscape.
“AI bubble, Bitcoin, affordability, the catchword of the day, the tariffs, Fed interest rates, or anything else.”
The Role of CEOs in Company Success
36:20 to 37:30
Discuss the influence and importance of CEOs in shaping companies.
“But it's sort of like a digital version of gold.”
Challenges Facing the Automotive Industry
37:30 to 42:00
Examine the challenges faced by the automotive industry, particularly in EVs.
“But getting on Coinbase, I was literally calling them and begging them to, like, take my driver's license and all my bank account numbers, I go, God, if they wanted to fleece me, it would be, it's unreal.”
China's Intellectual Property Issues
42:00 to 44:05
Discusses the challenges of intellectual property theft from China and its implications.
“just steal it all and then they steal everything in in china if you go back to the tech and go back 20 years, you're going to find American and German-French source code in it.”
Canada-U.S. Economic Cooperation
44:05 to 46:05
Explores the potential for economic collaboration between Canada and the U.S.
“And, you know, I go back and forth all the time, too.”
Film Discussion: Marty Supreme
46:05 to 48:05
Kevin O'Leary discusses his film and the emotional impact it aims to provide.
“By the way, you really think he was punished enough for what he did?”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00They came to see me and said, look, we're looking for a real asshole in this and you're it. Well, listen, I met Barbara in Vienna in 1601. That was my first dance to her. She was there, too. No, the only reason she gets to L.A. every year from New York where she lives here is I buy her a new broom. I give her the latest model. I said, Timmy, I mean, I admire you. An ass is an ass, and there's only one ass. Make it your ass. Celebrate your ass. And put it in this film for generations to come. I can't believe how good I look. I look spectacular. It's ridiculous how good I look. Kevin O 'Leary Kevin O 'Leary is a little different move for us but I think you know he does financial advice Shark Tank for years at least 10 years that shows everywhere worldwide and interesting guy and also he was plucked was it by the Safdies or Josh Safdie to be in the new Marty Supreme yeah maury supreme so he it's really interesting like the guy's never been an actor and all of a sudden he's in this big movie and uh it's really funny he talks about how he he was a spanking uh timothy shallow in the movie and and how awkward and all that stuff that happens but yeah he's pretty pretty funny he's a confident guy knows a lot about business but him in kind of a you know like an Oscar-winning movie for your first role.
1:31It's really interesting. Yeah, with the Safdies. I mean, my God, it's as cool as it gets. And a big movie that's out there right now still. And listen to what he has to say about it. Here he is, Kevin O 'Leary. Listen to what the man said. Kevin O 'Leary, you know, he's really interesting. Oh, he's on. Oh. Yeah. All right, let her rip. he goes that sounds like a product that sounds like a name of a toy or something called let it rip I like it let's go with it we get some funding spade knife throw on a couple hundred dude if I had Kevin's money I'd throw mine away do people who are very wealthy if you walk into a room and you're very very very wealthy but then you've got billionaires multiple multiple billionaires do you feel small um you know i mean i i don't need any more money i just need more time that's my real issue yeah you're right like this you know what i think there's always a guy way richer than you yeah always and so i don't really give a shit about that when i go in a room i go what if i walk in this room and someone's better looking than me i mean the chances are low but there's a chance no that that never happens to me here's my way of thinking about it like it's just a bigger room to watch tv i think that was in a movie no no listen i i look fabulous all the time i can't believe how good i look it's ridiculous you look great and no after shave is it moisturizer is it just your attitude because you do a little bit you look fresh fresh and exciting you know i see you on a lot of these shows kevin um not not only shark tank but i see you when you're on some business shows and you always have good energy you always have a lot to say and you're very articulate and you can speak well.
3:38And I think that's a big part of your success. You have opinions and you lay them out and you don't sort of mince around. Yeah. You know, I mean, the way I look at it is just tell my mother told me when I was 16, just tell the truth. You never have to remember what you said. Now, some people don't like it. They get all that stuff, but I can't keep everybody happy. What am I supposed to do? I care about my family and maybe 15 friends and everybody else. I don't give a shit. I'm with you. I don't give a shit. No, it's good. I mean, when you're on like a cable show, then you've got to do the sound bites.
4:18You've got to be really succinct. Now you're on a podcast. So it is a little more interesting, right, for you, or you can say whatever you want or no. No, but listen, I respect. I mean, I got to admit, you know, I got a lot of followers. I don't know, 11 million followers. and sometimes I get like an essay, maybe four pages, well-written, just blasting me about something I said. Imagine, four pages. Imagine. Somebody spent like an hour writing it really well. I mean, I don't know if it was AI generated or not, but they really worked on it. And I got to say to myself, well, I got to respect the amount of time.
4:57Why don't you waste your time on that unless you were very passionate about it? And those are the people that I actually respond to. Most of it's hate mail. And then there's about 2.5%, which I call the lunatic fringe, which is just they're completely fucking crazy. And what am I supposed to do about that? Nothing. I can't do anything about it. And so that's it. I mean, you know, I've been dealing with it for 20 years, and I've kind of found a place to live and float in the sea of happiness. You're doing good. Now, when Shark Tank came out, how long did it take for that to sort of catch on? Or was it immediate?
5:35I can't remember. No, it got canceled three years in a row. The story's legendary. I mean, every year it got canceled. Everybody hated us. But Willow Payne was married to Iger. And I'd met her way back in the ABC days. And she was raising kids with Iger. And they loved the show. And so every time he'd come home saying, oh, we whacked those guys on Shark Tank. She said, we're not whacking Shark Tank. Our kids like it. Other families like it. It's the only thing on TV that doesn't have everybody naked screaming about sex. Yeah. And so it became a family hit. And then the fourth year, it just went geometric.
6:16I mean, poo-poo happened, you know? Geometric. I'm glad they didn't go into, like, Shark Tank Island where then they're all dating. That's what it should have gone into because that's what most shows are on TV. Yeah, we said it was called Beyond the Tank, right into the poop shoot. That's what happened. Excellent. That's the first time someone has said poop shoot on this podcast. Thank you for that. You'd think it would be a lot. It's not. No one said it yet. I think it'd be a comment, but no one's ever said it. So Willow Bay helps out because it is sort of a family show where it's fun to sort of figure it out, and it's fun to decide as a family, is this something that's a good business?
6:53You know, you learn about a lot of things. well i think the reason it works is that we don't know you don't know what's going to walk through those doors and it's the essence of the american dream i mean the idea that you can come up with a product or service that solves a problem become a multi-millionaire which we've done countless times in 17 years we've sold billions of dollars with a product you get eight minutes on network tv and 110 million eyeballs on syndication in 54 countries i mean come on i mean it's like this podcast you just you just need to find some product that p that that you're beyond just your grandmother and your uncle buy you got to find something that really people need and it's all kinds of crazy stuff i think about you know uh pet dna tests and stuff that you would think would never work it makes hundreds of millions of dollars yeah you don't and that's the thing you got to sort of troubleshoot it in a short amount of time and say how much will i invest and if you do then you go oh now i gotta beat someone else now i gotta go higher than i wanted to go that that's that's part of the intrigue i mean the first million is easy uh because you do it yourself but getting like when you hit five million you gotta start hiring people you have to find out if you're a manager a lot of people shit the bed when that happens they blow up um but if you can get to five you can get to 50 if you get to 50 million in sales you get to 500 million we've had that happen lots and lots of times because basically you've proven that you know the product works and people want it now you have to scale it that's a different skill set often yeah and you have to find other people that can help you do it but you know it takes it generally takes three to five years to prove out a company but it happens quickly when it's a hit it's a hit yeah that must be the fun is the idea kind of sort of figuring out what people need that before they know they need it I think what happens is to the big ones is they find some pain point that they look around them and everybody has that pain point.
8:58Now, I mentioned it earlier, but I'll give you an example. Most cats die at around 12 or 13 years. I'm not a cat guy, but I'm giving you data I know because I invested in this company called Base Paws. However, cats in ancient Egypt, chocolate point Siamese, lasted past 30 years. How'd they do that? because the ancient Egyptians knew what to feed them. And so they'd give them food that they would not abscess their teeth. So we give them shit food and they die really quickly. So if you get a cat DNA test and you find out which of the three genres of cats it comes from, because there's only three big pools, you can actually feed the right food to a young cat and have it last half of your life or maybe 40 % of your life.
9:45And so this thing called base paws, where you stick a Q-tip where the sun doesn't shine in a cat and send it in and get this analysis,$29. So when she came on the set of Shark Tank, I said, well, excuse me, I can buy a new cat for five bucks. Why would I spend$29 on a test like this? And 110 million cat owners shit on me. But, you know, I eventually figured out I wanted to do that deal. and I did. And we made a lot of money, a ton. It was bought by a giant pharmaceutical company later for the data. It's cheaper than moving to Egypt. Right? Yeah. You know, it's funny because when my brother ran that Kate Spade company, he was just a guy from Arizona with Katie and it kind of blew up pretty fast.
10:36And I remember seeing him in the office when he's like, I just had a dock worker in here telling me he's going to break my legs if we don't do that. He goes, I don't want to do this part of it. That's what you're saying about management. That's what I thought is like, he was into designing stores. He was into putting the bags together. But when you start getting, it's too big, then they did wind up selling because it just was out of their reach. That's not what they were trained to do. And it's so fucking complicated to run a big operation. Well, that's true. Executional skills are next to impossible to find.
11:06And so you're right. Big is 50 million. And after that, you need executional skills. And most people have founders of the company don't have them and they they go to zero because of it they buy too much inventory or they don't manage their systems and whatever it is i see it happen all the time that's why i make a lot of changes at around the 50 million rate i said listen i'm going to help you out you're going to call the board i'm going to whack you now which is a good thing well you need someone that knows what's going on who's done this before right because it's like a movie you go you make your own movie and you go i don't know how to make a movie you think you do and it's there's so many people that do each job better than you you need to keep hiring people to make sure they've done this before it's too many moving parts yeah now movie making stuff i just finished one of those that's yeah we're excited about that i mean the safeties is it both safety brothers that directed it one no no no this is josh josh okay wrote the script with ronnie bronstein the same guy that did uncut gems they are very disturbed individuals yes uh yeah i know them a little bit i know well uncut gems was a sweaty uh fast-paced movie that was really uh well done and they they know what they're doing for sure and this one already has a lot of attention and sounds from uh it's going to be great on the awards circuit i honestly honestly kevin i thought you'd be in a cameo when i first heard i thought you'd come into one scene or something yeah in the entire movie and you land at the end they came to see me and said look we're looking for a real in this and you're it right someone who's just incredibly cruel and mean and really cocky and then they thought of you yeah i don't know how that happened i don't know how i didn't get called it did you say at the end of the movie i was born in 1601 did i hear that right when you're talking I was very unhappy with the ending and Josh and Ronnie and I fought about it for a couple of months.
13:04I said, this guy, this Marty Mauser, if he really did this to me in real life, I would fuck him over so badly. You have no idea. And why am I character letting him off this easily? I just I'm so unhappy with this. And we started to negotiate. I wanted to kill off Rachel. I wanted Marty to die. That was me. So you were just a hired actor. Well, I mean, listen, at least they listened to me a little bit. I just don't feel right about it as Milton. I'm really pissed. And so we came up with this idea that maybe, and I suggested to them, perhaps I'm a vampire and I bite him and he lives in hell in perpetuity.
13:43That seems fair. And he said, well, we're not going to put fangs on you and have blood spurting all over the place. I said, why not? That's your kind of movie, guys. Look at the stuff you make. Yeah, you weirdos. And they said no, but you could maybe hint at it. And that's the compromise. And listen, I've been to a couple of premieres and people are howling at the moon at the end saying, wait a second, it's a huge narrative, a big disagreement about whether Marty paid the full price he should have. And I think that's what makes these guys magic. They get people. People talk, yeah. It's like the Instagram comments.
14:19You want people to fight. Yeah, I mean, look. In the comments. more people talking. Well, I mean, has this ever happened before in the modern era? Like this is, this is a movie that's on, it's a, it's a great movie. It's on the award circuits, everything. You'd never done acting in a film. And then you're in this film. I mean, does Larry Kudlow have a deal or Jim Cramer? I mean, I don't know what the rules are. I don't give a shit. I mean, I just look to me as you, you walk into a room, you know, the story, you know the script you read the room it's 1952 it's so beautifully you know it's amazing and then you just go at it and yeah well i mean i don't maybe that is acting i don't know right they're there to steer you anyway so and you're on camera all the time and you you've got a little bit of that beats you're ahead of the game and you're already sore to that personality so if you can get the lines down and not freeze up like cindy brady you can probably get through it you have a career like a gigantic career so you walk on a set when we were in our early days trying to audition were you getting past the terror and the fear of not doing it right or am i and for you to walk in with as a wealthy businessman and tv star i mean i guess that's part of the reason or just your nature that you were that relaxed acting across from timothy chalamet was kind of one of our great actors huge actor and yeah he was great and i i think uh he was kind of a you know i figured him out and he figured me out in the first couple of minutes when we started shooting our first day was seven pages a lot of text that's a big day yeah and we uh we just found the groove he kind of snaps into his character and then i could just beat him up that was what i thought you know well the way you did deliver the request and the way they shot that of the the infamous now maybe paddle scene and make him go get this paddle you did have a kind of a very devious thing about your your character that has nothing to do we had an ass double and he did and it was three in the morning and i said look the the fake paddle we were going to use got broken the first hit or it got broken immediately because it had a hinge and it was made of foam and it was crap then we had to go to a real paddle and the ass double guy was going to take the hit but timmy said no i want immortalize my own ass in perpetuity and so i said i have to hit your ass that's going to hurt so we rotated cheeks so that they were equally red through 20 takes and finally josh said you know you're not hitting him hard enough you're holding back you gotta wind up like she's all back yeah well they said look i'm happy to do it i mean i'll do it i'll happily do it um why happily I did.
17:08I mean, you know, my character should have done more than that to him. Yeah. Right. Yeah. We've all had that conversation, I think, with someone. Well, it's paid audition for the ASTO. Let me fix the sun here. Hold on. Oh, yeah. Is the sun in your – is that the real background? What is that? No, that's New York City right out the window. I'm at the Whitby right now. I love this place. Oh, the Whitby Hotel. Okay. The Whitby. What's that? Fifth Avenue, I think. No, that is the outside. I just started talking on the TV. It's a write-off because you're doing this. Good job. You know, every year, David, I think we can unequivocally say this, we make resolutions that somehow never stick.
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19:1511.58 Uhr, Mittagspause. Dein Magen knurrt lauter als der Bürohund. Und dann ploppt der Chat auf. Kantine? Wie immer? But then, you'll see the, as always, mickering portion and think, we should go to Mac's. For the Big McDonald's hunger, try the new Big Gouda and the Big Tasty Red Steakhouse with 100 % rice from Germany. So long the food is not enough to our breakfast. We have the crumbiest backdrop. Mine doesn't do anything. I'm just a rocket ship. I have a lava lamp. Is that a little sad fern? Yeah, what is... I don't know. I thought that was a little monster, but I think it's a fern. Please stand by.
20:03Is that Andy's book or Norm's book? Is that on a TV screen or does it look real? You mean Kevin's? Yeah. We keep all this on because we're authentic. No, no, it's 100 % authentic and you're getting real time. Listen, tonight is the big premiere in New York. Oh, it is. We got Nish. We got Timmy. What do you say to Kylie Jenner tonight? What do you think? And we have the sharks. Are the sharks coming? Your whole team? I got Cuban flying up from Washington where he's changing the health care system. Okay. Good for Mark. I got them all. They're all showing up. We're going to do Shark Tank meets Marty Supreme.
20:48I think that's a great idea. Now, how many sharks are there in total? Well, including the guest sharks, 4 ,000. But, you know, the original sharks were six. Was it six sitting there? That's a lot. Is six too many to cover and all that shit? How long does it take to do one pitch? Well, listen, guys, that's hard work because we started, as you know, making reality TV. You try and shoot three Eps in a day, start at five in the morning. Gross. And at night, you've got to rotate the talent. Otherwise, they're going to drop dead on you. For sure. And you're in your 40s now, so it's probably getting tougher.
21:27I'm 28 years old and I'm tired. Right. Remember, I'm in vampire years. That's right. We can't give away everything. But, you know, that's why he's drinking pee. He's a vampire. So, listen, it was first sharks were you, Barbara maybe? well listen i met barbara in vienna in 1601 that was my first dance she was there too no the only reason she gets to la every year from new york where she lives here is i buy her a new broom i give her the latest model i love it and there's cuban he came on later didn't he yeah i think season four he came on he's a new guy well he's my grasshopper he's still learning yeah he's still learning that have you and he done business together or is it just on the show you guys have things you own together and plan together or just friends no we have many deals together our teams work together i mean there's so many companies we've invested in yeah you know he likes equity i like royalties so he's a little bit country i'm a little bit rock and roll that kind of thing okay and uh and that's what makes it interesting we've you know we've taught america about pref shares, convertible debentures, equity versus debt, royalties, all that stuff.
22:44I think it's terrific what we've done. Is it weird in Hollywood? I was on David Spade's talk show and I got, I think, 0.05 cents for a rerun. I mean, the Hollywood, I don't know. You got to put that away. The royalties are pretty funny. Don't give up your day job. Yeah. Sock it away. They add up. I'm equity. I'm not a royalty guy. I'm kidding. Well, I mean, you know, in Hollywood these days, I think you want to buy out the forwards. That's my view. Get the cash now, invest it yourself, because you don't know what's going to happen to syndication. Not that we want to get technical here, but the world's changing so much.
23:22Oh, no, that's... No, we can get technical. Syndication died a long time ago. There's just no more. Yeah, my, you know, bread and butter was sitcoms and even movies. Like, you can do all right, just reruns and reruns and reruns, and it goes to HBO. then it goes to somewhere else and it goes you know grown-ups we joke it's keeping the lights on at TBS over there it's on seven times a day and then it's grown-ups too so well same for us Shark Tank's on four hours straight on CNBC at night so you know things go through the syndication process obviously by the way I'm a big fan I haven't told you that yet I think you're pretty good you know I don't have a big enough ego to say that but I'm happy to do it okay Yeah, you're talking to me or Dana.
24:07Don't say Dana. Both of you guys. Okay, good. Absolutely both of you. I appreciate it. That was nice of you to come on, by the way. We like what you do, and I watch you on these shows. And, you know, Shark Tank is one thing. And then when you see you on these shows and you're talking, I like that you hold your own against everyone. And you're not very political. You say, I'll take it down the middle. Give me any president. Just let's make some money. Yeah, you know, this whole thing with the way I've stayed out of trouble on this, particularly in L.A., which obviously is to the left and then the New York left and left and right.
24:41I don't care about that stuff. I'm a policy guy. Does this make sense? Because I don't show for politicians. How can you? They come and go like crazy. I don't care about that. I care. It's good policy. And I invest a lot. So I say this is a good idea. It's a bad idea. This policy works. This doesn't work. you know whatever and that seems to have kept me out of trouble i do as many hours on cnn as i do on fox yeah i've seen you on both yeah i do it on both and i say hey listen this is what i think and if you don't like it it's really interesting how um split and divided the country is now wow it's crazy and i don't know why because the the essence the number one export of america is not energy or technology.
25:24It's the American dream. It's the number one economy on earth for all its faults and everybody this and everybody that. I mean, I don't see people going under barbed wire in a river to try and get into North Korea. They're not doing that. That's happening here. And so people still want the American dream wherever I go. And the Shark Tank thing's on in 54 countries. So I can go to Saudi Arabia and meet the leader because the kids want Shark Tank pictures. I'm not kidding. Yeah, for sure. It's an amazing passport. I'm an ambassador of the American dream. I'm proud of it. And that's not red or blue.
25:58So I go to Washington to complain about policy. They let me in both sides because everybody wants to create jobs in their state. Who hates jobs? Right. What is our secret sauce, you think, in America? Is it we have more freedom than other countries? to we don't have the government um on top of us too much compared to other countries because usually in a lot of countries if you make money you're kind of in the bullseye a little bit especially living in california you are kind of public you are the one you are the rich who don't pay their fair share so it's a little disconcerting but i guess we're just better than any other country if you want to pursue your dreams with hard work well i think it's about personal freedom You know, entrepreneurship is not money or greed.
26:45It's about pursuit of personal freedom to do whatever you want with your time. And that's the American dream. And if you get it right, and many people do, you're able to do that, provide for your family. Now, California, I don't think you guys are paying your fair share. You should be paying 99 % tax. I thought we did. That's good. That 1%, that's good. And then here in New York, we have the big communist experiment going on, and I'm cool with it. I mean, I don't live here. I visit, and I wish everybody the best. And they're paying their 99.99 % tax, and that's their fair share, all of it. Remember that song, Tax Man by George Harrison?
27:30Oh, yeah. That was 99.2 % tax on the Beatles when they moved to France and said, screw this. right oh is that how bad it was how bad was yeah yeah it was it was 19 shillings out of 20 shillings in a pound oh my god because they were making the most why he wrote that song and i think that gives you an idea that you don't the great thing about america is the competition of states you don't have to stay in new york or california you can visit like i'm doing i love new york i love the rockettes i went downstairs and bought some gloves today i'm supporting the economy here but I'm not living here. And I've got my app making sure I'm here six months less a day.
28:10And I wish that everybody. Yeah, for sure. Where do you live, Vegas? The best real estate agent in Florida is Mondami. He is selling houses down there like you can't believe. Just the planes, they have to get extra flights, just people are leaving. Palm Beach. I'm telling people, stop moving to Florida. The traffic sucks. Is that where your base is? Yeah, everybody lives in Florida now. all my boss and neighbors all the neighbors here every hedge fund manager i know every finance guy they live in florida and they visit new york i don't know who's going to pay the taxes here but this isn't going to work wow it's a tough spot interesting i believe me i can't sleep i can't sleep about it so do you have anything uh just because we have you here you're our first kind of person like you on the show well what's your take on it like me yeah well the nose business we can ask you uh just basic things about okay well i know wine too this is a pool of name entreshe 22 absolutely spectacular and i deserve it because in about an hour i've got to head off and do that whole red carpet thing with timmy and gwyneth and all the rest of that i'm taking my whole family with me, bringing my kids up for this.
29:25And, um, you know, I've, I've never done this kind of gig before, but boy, it's crazy. You guys have done it. I haven't done it. It's going to be loud. And you're going, how will you, you're going to get a lot of compliments. Yeah. You were so great in this movie. I love it when people suck up to me. I really do. You're going to be sucked up beautifully tonight. And it's going to be loud, and it's going to be, Kevin, Kevin, Kevin. Yeah, I'm good with that. I'm good with it. Then the after party. I'm against drugs, but not rock and roll. Right. Okay. Are you going to – what if they go, picture you and Timmy, give him a little spank, give him a little spank.
30:05Yeah, we've done that already last night. Are you wearing a clasp? I think his ass has callous on it now after what I did. Yeah. His ass is one big callus. I think I saw that on Instagram. I admire him for saying, look, I'm not letting a stunt ass immortalize my ass in perpetuity in a film. I'll take the hit so it's my ass. That was 3.45 in the morning. I said, Timmy, I mean, I admire you. An ass is an ass and there's only one ass. Make it your ass. Celebrate your ass. And put it in this film for generations to come. Well, this is a very, I looked this up earlier. chalamet is french for ass bank which i thought was so ironic just bizarre you didn't know that now your tuxedo are you going classic cary grant george clooney or are you going to be colorful not tuxedo he's wearing a suit you just weren't no i'm going to i'm wearing you know i love it what are you wearing tonight what are you wearing i don't know no one else would ask you that you I was talking, like, I'm talking to all the, I wear Prada and Dolce, but Dolce lately said to me, look, we can make you a tux from 1952 with the thread from 1952.
31:21And I think it's going to capture the moment. I said, I'm good for that. So I'll be wearing Dolce. Nice. I'm wearing Dolce, you know, Succeedo slippers. I can't believe how good I look. I look spectacular. It's ridiculous how good I look. And so, you know, I'm almost embarrassed how spectacular I look. Don't outshine everyone. Don't outshine Kylie. You know, I got to be careful. I don't really want to do that. Timmy. I'm just a supporting actor, but I think I'm going to walk out there and the light's going to shine and grown men are going to wait. It's a good way. It's a good attitude. How will your friends handle this new thing you've got?
32:01You're a movie star basically now, along with everything else. I mean, Mark Cuban. I know they're my friends because they don't give a shit. They really don't. okay that's good no one's jealous at this the guys i hang with i've known for like 30 40 years i mean you know yeah before i had any money and before i you know did tv or any of this movie stuff those are the because you know obviously i have a lot of new special friends but yeah they're better that's my your friends in quebec a long long time we have a lot of old friends come back Yeah. From Canada, Mount Royal. Oh, you're Canadian. Yeah, I was born in TMR and I moved to Boston.
32:46My kids were all born there and grew up there. So we have really interesting Thanksgiving dinners because my whole family is American except me. And so you know how Canada and the US are shitting on each other these days? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Personally, what I think should happen, forget about the rhetoric, is we should just join forces in terms of the economies. Canada has all the raw resources and the US is the largest market and bulk up, go to the American dollar as the common currency because that's what everything's priced in in Canada anyways and then tell the Chinese to fuck off
33:22Does Trump know this? Have you talked to him? I have talked to him about it The Canadians are very proud I get it but they will one day realize the enemy is China I don't dislike the Chinese people but that government's nuts and they wanted world domination on everything, AI, army, economy, resources. I mean, if people don't understand that about China yet, they're nuts because that's coming. And so at some point, this whole crapola between Canada and the United States, because it shares the largest border on earth and it's the two richest countries on earth in terms of resources and economy, you get together and you say, look, China, don't fuck with us.
34:02That's what's going to happen in the next five years you heard it here first does canada have rare earth minerals ready to go big time big time they got everything but they don't have the money to dig them up as a stock certificate look it was run by an idiot king for 10 years and now he's gone now there's a new guy i didn't vote for him but i i want him to win and i think he's smart enough to understand to get the economy back rolling again canada's a very very rich country run by idiots yeah is it katie perry's boyfriend still or is it someone else no i mean the katy perry idiot king combo i offered her a free prenup i have a shark tank company called hello prenup and i'm providing her with a free prenup because everything the idiot king touches goes to zero
34:51idiot king like it is i'm known as a merchant of truth I love it. All right. Pick one of these to talk about. AI bubble, Bitcoin, affordability, the catchword of the day, the tariffs, Fed interest rates, or anything else. You really want to talk about that shit? No, I'm just saying if you had any hot take. Our audience is highly undereducated when it comes to finance. Or uneducated. let's touch on crypto because i spent a lot of time on that and i did a lot of work on the crypto bills all you need to own in crypto if you're going to get into it is bitcoin and ethereum there are 10 000 coins you don't need to own any of those 97 of the alpha which is the price volatility of the entire crypto market are two just bitcoin and oh i didn't know just dump all All the poopoo coins, you don't need to own.
35:47There's not enough. We have Bitcoin. People come up with a coin. How does that work? They just say, I'm going to do a poop coin or fart coin. And then you go, okay, oh, it's up a million dollars. It's actually a poopoo coin itself now. Okay. So, I mean, it's just like a Vegas speculation, but that's not where the institution is putting their money. They're buying Bitcoin and Ethereum. But it's no different than digital gold. Don't own more than 5 % of your portfolio in it. You can make about 3 % yield on it, which is not a lot. I mean, don't speculate too much. I mean, some people just never own Bitcoin because they don't understand.
36:21You can't touch it. But it's sort of like a digital version of gold. Gold's been around for 2 ,000 years. Bitcoin's been around for 16 years. So a lot of people don't trust it yet. And is there a government-owned crypto? Or is that going to hurt Bitcoin if that happens? Or has it already happened? The government approved stable coins, which is a digital payment system backed by the US Treasury. That made sense. And it's being used like crazy. It's only about four months old. But all the banks are starting to make their own stable coins. If you want to use a stable coin, just get Robinhood or Coinbase.
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36:57Put it on your phone. Move$1 ,000 into it and learn how it works. It's very easy to transfer. Very low cost. Very transparent. Very fast. Certainly beats a bank transfer or a Fedwire. So if your kid's in college, you want to send them 400 bucks, much better. And believe me, your kid has a stable coin wallet already. Yeah, Coinbase was tough to get on. I mean, I think, was that it, Heather? I was getting on and throwing some, you know, I got a few beans in my jeans, Kevin. I don't know if you've read the papers. But so I put a little money in. No, you were definitely a beanologist. So I put it in.
37:31But getting on Coinbase, I was literally calling them and begging them to, like, take my driver's license and all my bank account numbers, I go, God, if they wanted to fleece me, it would be, it's unreal. I was like saying, but once you get the account, it's useful. You know, just call me, I'll call the CEO for you. Okay. Thank you. That's really what I was heading for. What's the most impressive? Oh, sorry. Go ahead, David. No, I was just talking to myself. You mentioned CEO. I'm curious about the, the, uh, how much influence a CEO has on a company. what do you think is one of the smartest ones you've ever met i mean that's what i thought you'd say yeah this guy is he's only a third of the way through his career look what he's achieved the guy is 100 signal no noise a little awkward socially my son worked for him for five years i met her brunette's house a couple of times a big party mark used to have doesn't do it anymore because he lives in england but um as soon as he realizes he's not gleaning any information of use or value to him from you he just walked away yeah without saying i actually like them that's funny he does seem like all biz no but there's tunnels under vegas and smart as poopoo i can't imagine an engineer first in some ways at least that's how he sees himself that he goes if there's a problem he goes and sits with the other engineers starlink well i mean that's the thing all the engineers on earth want to work with him including my son who's an electrical engineer his whole cohort that he, you know, he beat MIT with electric car F1 race.
39:07Elon hired all of them, moved them to Fremont. He worked on the low voltage team for five years. And then he said, look, I want to go get a design engineering degree and an MBA. And I said, listen, good luck with that because there's only 20 seats at MIT and 22 at Harvard. And you're not getting into either of those. But he got one of the directors at Tesla to write him a letter. He got into both of them. And he went to Harvard because there's more girls there. So I applaud him. And he's coming. I bought him a tux in Boston. Right on. From 1916. He's coming to the show tonight. He'll be there.
39:46Yeah. I got the whole family coming. I'm bringing the whole crew and my daughter's new boyfriend i love him he's got a job but that's fantastic you're kidding i'm very excited about that all right i have another boring question just because this got too interesting um i just read ford's f-150 they're they lost 19 billion on the electric truck is it because guys don't want electric truck if they're a ford truck guy uh 19.2 billion uh one of the largest write-offs in automotive history. Bad policy, this idea that everybody in America wants to go green, but if you're in Fargo, North Dakota, there's no green when it's 40 below zero.
40:29You need a truck with diesel or gas in it. So I guess they didn't think that one through too much. And China's dumping low-cost EV. The only thing we got going in America is Tesla. It's It's the best EV in the world because it's designed from scratch, but it's not a low-cost vehicle. They're going to try and do that with the Y version. There's a competition. China is subsidizing EV, selling it to every country on Earth at half of what it really costs. I'm telling you, we're in economic war with those guys. They're not good guys. And that's why I think we should bulk up in our economy and say to the Chinese, don't mess with us.
41:10i might join in that that's their is it called byd is their little electric vehicle that's selling all over europe i think they're called shitball expresses but it doesn't matter that was my second question they're very very inexpensive yeah you know and they every country on earth is is buying them because where else can you get a 15 000 shitball express yeah i see little trucks they say they want over here that are looks like they're way cheaper than everything in the end of the day because you're looking at america and it's it's controlled chaos in a sense because it's a free market and it's ad hoc and we see and then we see a command and control dictatorial uh economy in china and sometimes you go wow they can just build that do that but it seems in the end of the day all the cool stuff comes from america you know they just steal it all and then they steal everything in in china if you go back to the tech and go back 20 years, you're going to find American and German-French source code in it.
42:08They steal everything. They have no IP laws. You can't sue them. The World Trade Organization, they joined it, you know, 2020, and they've never abided by the rules. I've tried to sue them. Nobody can. They rip off everything. I mean, I'm just telling the truth. And that's why I'm glad, you know, whether you love Trump or you hate him, at least this administration is taking them on saying, okay, we've had enough of this crap and we're going to give you some consequences. and he started with 100 % tariffs. I mean, it's a difficult conversation, but they steal, they cheat, they don't give a damn.
42:39And I think it's got to end. It's not a level playing field. I would love to sell Chinese people's stuff. I don't want my IP ripped off. And that's what happened. And so we can delist our companies off our exchanges. We can not allow them to sue our... I mean, they sue us in America and we can't sue them in China. What the hell is that? I say don't let them have access to the courts. Can they buy land here? We can't buy land there. Not the Chinese people, just the Chinese government. They understand the stick. You got him with the stick. They understand power. That's why we got to bulk up the economy, that Canada resource combo with the U.S.
43:20economy. I know all the crap going on with the Canadian versus U.S. crap, but I'm a guy with a foot in both countries, with a family in both sides, and I understand the opportunity. I'm not a negative guy. I'm saying by the time this is over, everybody in Canada is going to say, we've got to bulk up because the Chinese are going to come right over the top. And I definitely don't ever want to work for the Chinese guys. Yes, I have a lot of affinity for Canada. My wife is half Canadian. And I'm from Montana, Alberta, and all that. I mean, so it would be nice if we could become incredibly cooperative this way.
43:58We will out of economic necessity. All this bullshit will be over soon. I'm an optimist about that. And, you know, I go back and forth all the time, too. I don't like the winter anymore, so I live in Miami where the taxes are. Everybody lives in Miami six months and a day. Everybody lives there. So they're citizens? Is that what it is? And there's... It's, you know, Miami Beach is its own country. Miami Beach. Miami Beach. It's great, yeah. And Tennessee, we have friends in Tennessee and also Texas. I like Tennessee, but it doesn't have zero sales tax yet. I'm talking to Hagerty about that. Let's get that done.
44:36I had to pay some sales tax on my new Gibson Mr. Wonderful. I made a guitar with those guys. It's actually a 355 George Harrison Red with a 335 neck. If you're into guitars, that's a pretty cool guitar. Wow. Do you play or you're just a collector? I like to think so, thank you. Oh, okay. Acoustic or electric or both? Both. I got a lot of guitars. I used to own a piece of Fender, so I got a lot of Fender guitars too. I like them all, but a Gibson SG classic and, of course, a 355 hollow body, that's got a sound. A lot of the Beatles tracks had that on it. You know, it's very interesting. 58 Les Paul was a good one.
45:19Yeah. I like music too, but... I'm learning how to play better because I just don't get enough time to practice. But in this hotel, I keep a guitar and an amp. And what you want to do is slow down. You listen to the old blues guys from the 40s and 30s. They weren't running up and down. They were keeping it slow. Do a great note. My brother and I used to call them typewriter guitar players. And then you'd see someone like Albert King or something and go, okay. this note is like the last note he's ever going to play and he's just not going to play that many notes but they're just magic so i totally agree you play less notes with more feel that's it yeah do you like being called mr wonderful still did you like that or is that well look it's you know it's just the truth what am i supposed to say
46:16well we uh anything else for this young man dana he's been nice to sit there i just i love that uh we we got to get together with canada this is my takeaway i love that you play electric guitar in your room and uh you're kind of have fun with the idea of your confidence and i want to adopt a little listen go if you're going to go see marty supreme let's do a plug for the movie don't go alone it's an emotional wrencher and go with the community go see it in a theater because it was shot on 35 mil film it's not by the darius guy i hated him when we were shooting it because he would take two hours to set up a single shot.
46:54Now that I see it. Yeah. By the way, you really think he was punished enough for what he did? Well, he plays not an incredibly aggressive person who's very unscrupulous. So I don't know the very, very end one. I don't want to give it away. They did. I don't want to give it away either, but I won't. You can't over that way and get away with it that's what i kept telling you that's the whole thing that's my brand well you're you have a point but uh it's an interesting ending it's a very intense ride and uh you're all all the performances are great all the character actors don't see the movie it'll entertain the hell out of you but i got fucked over yes josh safty makes a good movie and i've I've 100%.
47:42Kevin O 'Leary gets fucked over in Academy Award winning. Ending sucks, says O 'Leary. Okay. All right, Kevin. It sucked because my wife said it was perfect. My daughter loved it. My kids loved it. And I said, no, it's not enough punishment for him. And anyway, that's the point. It's a great movie. Congratulations. Enjoy the premiere tonight. Take care.
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The guys welcome Mr. Wonderful himself—Kevin O’Leary—fresh off his first major acting role in Josh Safdie’s Marty Supreme. Kevin breaks down why he wanted to do more than just spank Timothée Chalamet’s butt in the film (alternate ending, anyone?), how the now-iconic vampire line came to be, and what surprised him most about stepping onto a movie set. Plus, he reflects on his years of Shark Tank, what it’s really like hanging out with Mark Cuban and Barbara Corcoran, and drops some business wisdom that goes completely over Dana and David’s heads.
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