RE-RELEASE - Amy Poehler

22:18Dana Carvey:This goes to therapy or something, but try not to try. Try not to push. Try not to be desperate. Try not to rush it. Take your time, but be in the pocket. And of course, when that voice goes silent, then you know you and Tina are just on a roll. Well, what do you guys do when you let this rarely probably happens for you anymore? But like let's say you're trying new material and it's not working. What do you do? Do you pull back? Do you pull back in that moment? Or do you put like, do you push? Because I'll tell you that what I have to work on is pulling back too hard and like getting sleepy.

23:01Dana Carvey:Your joke isn't working and you go to sleep. I go to sleep. I go right to sleep. You recoil. Well, you know, it's funny when I, when something doesn't work, there's, I had it happen on the road recently where the whole show is going well and one joke doesn't click. And I go, I had to stop and go, literally no one bought that. Not one person. And it wasn't a couple of you. Everyone said no sale. And I feel like you're wrong on this one. And I'm going to give you one freebie. Yeah. And then they don't know what to make of that. They're like, well, you're mad at us. But it's like joke mad. But when something doesn't work in a regular set or if you're doing a set on TV, what happens to me is you get spooked like a horse because my brain goes, what happened?

23:45And I can't think of my next joke because it's preoccupied with what do I do? Wait, should I even do the next one? Did I say it wrong? I know. And then you're like, that throws you. If you take one extra second, they think something's up. it's got to be just so smooth like a play boom boom boom i know i i have a bit in my act i won't

24:08Dana Carvey:even say the bit but whatever it's sort of like two-thirds the way like you're trying to bring it to the barn you know and the last two times not landing and i know jerry seinfeld who's this fangali about this check the setup you know yeah the setup is god you know but i did this for jerry's gonna do a live album on vinyl and it's gonna you're gonna see a picture of him on the cover and it's called paperclips why um just like that joke jerry we love him he's brilliant but i um i think sometimes you when you first say it in a joke and you're kind of connected to it or a bit and then you can get a little bored and you maybe drop just even part of the setup or stuff like that kind of because you're doing are you actually out there solo in your show with tina as well yeah we do some sketch.

25:02We do standup. We do, um, do you do update stuff together? We do update. We do. Yeah. Really?

25:09Dana Carvey:great. So what's your first line? Ladies and gentlemen, here to do some standup for our show is Amy Poehler. Oh, wait. I'm not doing, are you out of your mind? I am not doing. I thought your first line would be, would be, you'd say what you'd say. What's up. And then the name of the town. What's up to Colorado. what's up Denver. Yeah. That's a good first line. Here's my opener. I'd be like this. Hey, guys, Tina will be out in a minute. Oh, my God. It's funny that you say that. I'm like, I'm going to do a little stand up while Tina gets her IV drip. There you go. Well, I think we're Dana and I were talking before we brought you on because we're both on the road here and there.

25:52and there's so many things about the road that are so tricky and icy that you know it is true something about like the the show is the fun part obviously and it's so hard just to get to their city you just want to get high five like i got here i'm in the theater get in the hotel and i don't i feel like shit but here i go let's do this because you almost never feel great and you're almost never like well that was easy it's like this is problem problem and then the hotel and getting there and what's backstage there's so many interesting questions uh we were thinking of with you guys when do you go on oh i i know it's so fun because you're right every different theater and space has like a vibe and it has like the guy that's in charge like the one that character yeah there's always the character it's like oh i can't answer that you have to talk to dan about that you're like okay where's dan like it's always dan's always around dan doesn't come in if Dan zooms in from home.

26:53Dana Carvey:My guy's usually named Dan as well. I don't know if he travels a lot. Do you do a sound check? We do. We do a sound check. Oh, you have to have a lot of stuff going on. You got a montage of greatest hits or whatever, and you've got whatever. You have a piano player and stuff like that? No, we have some recorded music stuff, but we don't have a live. Yeah. And you sing together? Live piano player. What's that? Do you sing a song together? Maybe. You have a good voice, Dana. Have you heard her sing in the beginning of the podcast? Tonight, before I go to sleep, I'm going to try to figure out what can't Amy Poehler be.

27:29Hey, before we jump back into the show, let's take a quick break, all right? Not just any break. This is a refreshing break with Snapple. We all know about Snapple's iconic real facts. So let's take a minute to go over some of my faves.

27:42Dana Carvey:Snapple Real Fact 455. Movie trailers used to come on at the end of the movies, but no one stuck around to watch them. I've heard that. Snapple Real Fact 831. Adults laugh only about 15 to 100 times a day, while preschoolers laugh an average of 300 times a day. Snapple Real Fact 1983. The first player drafted to play pro football never played in the league. That's interesting. Snapple Real Fact 1274. Kickball is referred to as soccer baseball in some parts of Canada. Hmm. So, grab a Snapple. Take a second. Enjoy the moment. Enjoy the moment. Because let's be honest, this might be the most refreshing part of your day.

28:27Snapple, make your break more interesting. Comedy royalty, Kate McKinnon returns as Queen Mortuana in Heads Will Roll, Air Apparent, the highly anticipated sequel to Audible's fan favorite original comedy series. She's flanked once more by co-star Emily Lynn and a new star-studded ensemble, including Richard Kind, Laurie Metcalf, Jimmy Fallon, Megan Mullaly, Sam Richardson, and Carrie Coon, plus an extensive cast of comedy greats. Seriously extensive. This is wall-to-wall comedy at the highest level. When we last left our gloriously unhinged queen and her raven sidekick JoJo, the unlikely besties had fled to the woods for a simpler life.

29:06Wow. It did not last. Queen Mo is back on the throne, an heir apparent and facing her greatest challenge yet. Produce an heir before her 40th birthday or lose everything and spend eternity as keeper of the menstruary.

29:21Dana Carvey:it's a very sticky sitch meanwhile jojo's botched wing enhancement surgery turns her into a toad leading to unexpected interspecies romance and a choice between royal duty and normal life with her thrown on the line mo and jojo embark on an increasingly unhinged scheme to secure succession. Part medieval mayhem, part razor-sharp social commentary, Heads Will Roll, Air Apparent is fantasy comedy for the ages. It has everything. Trad wives, polycules, Sasquatch, mercenaries, milk people, toad-on-mole romance, a child named Barbara. Seriously, everything, David. When was the last time you heard of a child named Barbara?

30:11Well, Don't miss a moment of Kate McKinnon and the killer cast and Headsville Roll Air Apparent. Seed a child or seed the throne. Listen to Headsville Roll Air Apparent available now on Audible. Go to audible.com slash Headsville Roll series to start listening today.

30:30Dana Carvey:What do you do to relax your giant brain? Well, I really like the water like that calms me down. I like swimming and in a pool, ocean, ocean, lake and swimming. I like, can you swim? No, I can't. But I mean, I, I, I go to a hotel pool and I go freestyle and I go the length of the pool and I'm completely wiped out. And you know, I'm like sprinting, but I don't know it. And it's, there is a whole technique to it, but you, you've learned it, right? How to actually. I think if I need to get regulated, my nervous system, water does help me, whether even if it's a bath or just like getting in some water.

31:11But before a show, you know, I'm kind of used to, it's funny when I would do shows as an improviser and like sketch comedian with standups, I was always surprised that there wasn't a lot of chit chat. You know, there was, standups were just kind of trying, like walking around, talking or with their headphones, like thinking about their set and really, really, and frankly, trying to remember it, which is half the battle. Very true. And, and you, and with improv and sketch, you know, it's like, you want to just like keep doing bits up until you go on stage. It's like, you want to just like make a connection with the people you're performing with.

31:50And so I kind of tend to like, want to just chit chat and talk and, and not overthink things. But now that I'm older, like, sometimes I just want to like do some like light stretch, light stretching, just some light stretching. So I don't, Full of hammy.

32:08Dana Carvey:Oh, definitely. You can't go, hi! And then your arms are like, oh, sorry. I mean, I try to do a wide squat and make sure, because I might get in that position, or move around, stretch your calves. Yeah. Have you ever had any physical thing or cut yourself on stage? Oh, my God, yes. Well, I'm just getting over this thing. I talk about it on stage. I'm just getting over this thing, which is so embarrassing. It sounds like a bad cocktail. But I had this thing this year called Frozen Shoulder. You heard of it? it yes i bet your wife like was it your wife that went through it no no it was our mutual manager i think okay oh had a frozen shoulder yeah yeah i feel what does it do it's the weirdest thing it comes out of nowhere and it's like from my anecdotally i find it's mostly women of my age but it's just like inflammation and suddenly you just like can't lift your arm all the way up and so it's this it just feels like you're like you just feel really fucking old you just feel like oh fucking hell what is this and it'll take about a year and you're just like what a year and it's proven to be about a year so yeah it it sucked and they're just making up names for old things frozen shoulder sounds good and you're like well it's a real thing or i'm just falling apart It's a real, real thing.

33:33Dana Carvey:I was doing a podcast with David. I never even said this before. We're doing what we've done a few live. And then my, I think it was my left foot, my toes splayed out in a spasm. And I was in massive pain, but I just was riding it out. Just riding it out. We're interviewing someone. Spade, take it. And I'm like, it doesn't happen to me all the time. They just, the toes went out. and got really angry as soon as it was over i just walked around it was fine but we have to we're supposed to do all this freaking stuff all day long pulling and stretching and pilates all this stuff to keep us together you know so i did i know and i was so much younger when i was on snl and i think about how much i just partied and just walked like i didn't do i didn't worry about any of it i just wasn't even thinking about any of it i wasn't thinking about collagen i wasn't thinking about water nothing no wasn't even thinking about water did we know do we did we i know i look you see picture yourself because you're in showbiz to go damn i've i've did i know how cute i was yeah i know did we did we know how young we were it's just is it all wasted on young who said that cold porter i don't know i didn't have a glass of water during snl i was there six years you never had just wasn't the thing that everyone i didn't know what carbs are.

34:59I eat fucking pasta every day. Wally and Joseph's, I eat pizza. And I always felt shitty. I never put anything together. I'm like, what is it? What is it? I don't have the Rubik's cube to figure this out. All you just carbs, no water and diet Coke. And my body is so sore to me. When I, every day, it's like my shoulders going, I open a car door and they're like, what? I'm like, I do this every day. And it's like, Oh, what are you doing? Like it's, it forgets overnight i'm doing basic things i know um well you know what i you know what has helped me with this and i know this is probably like people listening are like oh my god be quiet how old are you guys yeah but you know what i've been doing is i've been doing cold dips change and they've changed for real the game yes i do cold dips and it changed the game

35:48Dana Carvey:because that's a big deal now do you do it in a in a bathtub with ice in it you do it you take the or is it in a pool or a lake or where are you going to have it? Like I have a cold dip tub. Okay. Cold dip. Okay. Like a tub that I keep cold. So, and I have a, like a sauna, a little hut sauna. So I do 15 minutes of the sauna and then I plunge in the cold dip and it helps a lot. David inflammation. Yes. I think you and Tina should do 10 minutes in a cold plunge doing update on stage. Just bring out the ice. I would love that. I think our endorphins would be flying. Sponsors. I'm saying an undisclosed location, but I have a pool for the first time in a long time.

36:33Dana Carvey:And don't heat it. I like it as cold as I can get it now for that very reason. It's amazing if you get into a cold lake, because I always look at it as a lake that's really too warm, how you really suffer for about 10 seconds. But if you're moving, all of a sudden you're like, oh, it's fine. Yeah, that's the thing about getting older is like forced austerities. Like, what can I do to myself that a doctor is not telling me to do, but that I can do to torture myself? Like, I have the privilege of cold dipping or like, I only eat apples after 5pm. And it's like, why? It's like, just that's what I'm doing now.

37:11It's got to be good. I know. I'm trying something. Yeah.

37:16Dana Carvey:Well, it's always nice. You get a blood test and stuff, and you're wondering, well, did they find something? The doctor's talking to you and like, it's fine. It's good. Everything's okay. My guy looks at my blood test. I sit there, and he goes, hmm. Then he goes like this. Don't love that. You know, the worst thing about you hear from a doctor, I went to a dentist because I had that tooth thing. This is what we're going to talk about the rest of my guys. It's so tragic. And the guy comes in and he actually said, he actually said, wow. When he looked at my mouth, he said, wow. I said, wow. What do you mean?

37:53Dana Carvey:Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. He said it like, oh, he said it like walking. He said it like walking. Wow. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Three. Amy, I just said someone, were you in a walking family? I never saw that. I said to my friend, I go, look at this ridiculous. Oh, you all were walking in a sketch, right? Yes. And that was so fun because, you know, I think I I I benefited from low expectations. I don't think anyone expects me to pull out a good walk in, but I was playing a little kid like a little girl who was doing a walk in. And I had had I had had a friend who had told me a story about about Christopher Walken and that, you know, he he went to he was on set one time and he was like, you know, are there any ghosts here?

38:41you know this place is spook he kept saying it's spooky which was such a funny word to say so i got to say ghosts and spooky and that was yeah that was enough did he care at all he he was one of the most interesting hosts um because he was really he's really a you know no surprise eccentric dude. So he was really comfortable with silence. So, you know, most people, when you're just waiting around to run the scene again, you're just sitting on the floor, like you chit chat, but he would want to just sit quietly between each, you know, so he, he might've been the longest I've ever gone seated next to someone and not talking like five, six, seven minutes.

39:34It's, it would just be me and him and we wouldn't talk. And it became like a contest in my own mind to see how long we could go. And he was, he was fine with it. He was fine with it. Can everyone shut up? Yeah. He was super, super talented. And I swear he's so interesting. He's riveting.

39:54Dana Carvey:The first sketch. I don't know what it was. I maybe a church chat or something. Anyway, the, we were, did it all. We rehearsed it, but on air, he never looked at me. he just looked straight at the cue cards and read it and it worked. Yeah. And it was funnier, you know? I heard, I heard a rumor that he takes out, I don't know if this is true, but that he takes out all the, all the punctuation in his scripts. Wouldn't surprise me. Cause his rhythm is so specific. That might get him out of his rhythm. Don't like to pause in ways like that. I mean, John Lovitz again, my friend, John, he's the kind of guy who goes, is it you?

40:35Dana Carvey:Are you making up that dialect? Is that the way you really talk? And he said, Walken just started laughing. You're making it up, right? Oh, that's funny. Yeah, he seemed like he had a good sense of humor about himself. Yeah, and who knows? There's certain actors who just extenuate their rhythms as they become film stars over the years, like Al Pacino when he feels like it. And Walken, too. He was in that Woody Allen movie as the psycho driver. It was in the 70s. First time I saw him. Yeah. You know. And he goes, sometimes I like to turn the car, I think of turning into the headlights. Yeah. And he goes, I wouldn't on this trip.

41:14Maybe put a pin in that. It's like a crazy.

41:18Dana Carvey:Just as soon as you drop me off, you can indulge your picadillos if you want to go into that and get some rhubarb and, you know, grind. But yeah, it's just one of the thrills of doing Saturday Night Live. is just doing sketch comedy with someone like Christopher Walken. And, you know, seeing him in the deer hunter, I just feel like, you know, growing up in the seventies, like I just saw every movie way too young. I was so many images. You saw that at what? Oh, I can't even imagine. I think I was seven. And it was like, I learned about, yeah, I learned about Vietnam. I learned about prisoners of war.

41:55I learned about, um, uh, you know, Russian roulette. I learned it all from Christopher Walken and then I went to first grade. I'm heading to first grade, guys. I'm tired. I was at the deer hunter last night.

42:11Dana Carvey:They were getting slapped in the face in Vietnam. Now I'm going to the exorcist. They're forced to play Russian roulette and they would slap them and say, Mao! And slap them. And I don't know what that word meant in Vietnamese, but it's one of the most riveting, darkest scenes in film history. I saw the reefers with Steve McQueen when I was I saw Bonnie and Clyde when I was like 11 it's a little tamer but there was a sex scene you've seen those 70s badass movies as a little girl I was the generation that got HBO and MTV in our house and no one was paying attention so suddenly there are movies on that I should not have been watching It's just that, yeah, no one knows.

42:57It's just the next movie on. And everyone's gone. You're like, oh, what's this? Oh, The Omen. Yep, The Omen. Let's see what this is about. Oh, this might be fun.

43:07Dana Carvey:Hopefully, I hope you both didn't see this movie because it stayed with me and disturbed me very much. And I think it's Dustin Hoffman. I know it's Dustin Hoffman. It's the first straw dogs. Look it up, kids. I don't even want to talk about it. Fucking Lovett sent me that the other day. Is that crazy? He sent me a preview. watch this movie Straw Dogs with Dustin Hoffman? Yes It's brilliant but it is dark I was just watching Midnight Cowboy the other day they had a showing of it in New York and I was like oh I love Midnight Cowboy I love Dustin Hoffman and I love John Voight and then I'm like oh my god I forgot this giant horrible assault scene there's so many you know there's so much assault in that movie like flashbacks of what happens to John Voight's character and his girlfriend.

43:57And I was like, I forget what 70s movies, you just be cruising along and then there'd be like a really violent scene that you're just, oh no. And when now I'm the mother of teenagers and I'm like, oh, you should watch this movie. And then there's just the scene that's always, oh, I forgot this scene was in this movie. It's brutal. I even got, I got scared at Tommy, Dana. I was young and my brother took me. and the gypsy acid queen and then she threw acid in the guy's face and there was fire at the beginning and it burned his face and I was like, and I go, I have a stomach ache and I went to the lobby and then I never came back because I got scared.

44:36They go, what's up? I go, no, I'm fine. I just have some stuff to do out here. Literally nothing to do.

44:41Dana Carvey:What's the first, have you showed a movie to your kids where it blew their mind and it was kind of satisfying because at one point, I don't remember how old they were this is my example I put on jaws for them and maybe they were sort of 12, 14, whatever. Okay. See you later, kids. So I come back 10 minutes later and they're, they're not moving. They're not, they're just staring. They just hit them at the right, you know, like, Oh man, this is amazing. So yeah, that was, yeah, that's, I mean, I have two boys. They really like a lot of sci-fi, you know, action adventure stuff, but they, I remember when they were really young, I Willy Wonka was the first one that I was like I think you're gonna love this and they loved it and I felt really and and as far as comedy like it it you know what you don't love what your mom likes like your mom is lame like you don't want to like what your mom likes but so I almost had to let them discover SNL on their own and they're at the age now they're 13 and 15 where they're they're at that age where they're like, I wonder what SNL is going to do about this.

45:52Like, that's what, you know, and you know, definitely their favorite anchors are Jost and Che. And of course they, of course. And they just don't want to watch. They barely want to watch stuff. I'm in. It's like, it's embarrassing. Like it's their mom. Like, right. Do they want to watch their mom on TV? Have you recommended comedies that they give the thumbs down? Like that you grew up with? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. There's been so many things where I'm like, that's funny. Now that is, you should watch that. That's funny.

46:17Dana Carvey:oh that's funny mom you gotta check this out this is really funny mom yeah and i'm always like turn that off that that guy is you but um i remember the simpsons was a first crossover where we could all watch it and they were kind of learning how to structure a joke and and they and you know i was laughing too but um yeah it's always that that group on snl for example when you're 12 or 13 and And, you know, not to make you feel old, Dana, but that was you for me. Me too. Me too. Yeah. I feel terrific. I'm the youngest I've ever been at this particular age. Your toes are not spasming at all. Everything is fine.

47:01No, no.

47:01Dana Carvey:Nothing is spasmed during. And if they were spasming, I would cover for it. I would just get kind of quiet on the Zoom. He'd go like this. And I might slunk down a little bit. I'd be like. Right in the frame, come like this. And Amy would go to herself, is he spasming right now? Yeah. Is he? No, I feel good. I do a lot of countermeasures for Asia. I hydrate a lot. Oh, congrats. Packing for a weekend lake trip means managing a massive checklist. And the last thing I want to do is fight the crowded store aisles for snacks and drinks. That's why Instacart can help me with my busy schedule. I use the app to get pre-cut fruit, cold drinks, sandwich ingredients ready before we head out.

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48:24You know, Dana, sometimes I think, you know, because we all write, and we all write comedy and write this and whatever, and sometimes not just obviously comedies, but I'll watch a show and I'll be like, this is so fucking complicated. I am not even in the same genre. I'm not a writer because the fact they have so many levels to these things. And I go, what is this dog shit? I write, why am I called a writer? This is ridiculous. I shouldn't even be in the guild.

48:51Dana Carvey:Well, we just do bite size, silly stuff. I know it's goofy. Comedians don't really get awards. They generally don't win Oscars. And we have the American comedy awards anymore. Oh, but you know what? You guys will be the right people to talk, the right people to talk to you about this. What irritates me so much, though, is that once a year, at least there's like someone that we would all consider genuinely funny who gives a performance that's really good, you know, good acting performance. And people are always like, wow. And I'm like, are you like I think acting and comedy are so combined. They're so close.

49:27You know, like you one must be a good actor to sell a bit, tell a joke to like there's I'm just I'm always surprised. that people are surprised that funny people can be good actors. You know, so rarely are good actors funny, but funny people are often very good actors. And I always think it's just, I think, I don't think they get, I don't think people get, I don't think funny people.

49:55Dana Carvey:But it's such a rare commodity. But if we were, if comedy was outlawed, I would love to do drama or do kind of realistic acting. but it's, this is what I do best. I guess it's just a rare, rare thing. And good comedy performances don't really get the old Oscars and stuff. You see like somebody, not saying us, just saying other people that are great at it and they do a great performance. It's not even considered. No, it's crazy. There's a reason they say, well, who said this? Dying is easy. Comedy is hard. I know that was like from the vaudeville or something. It was tough. that's why i'm jealous of musicians because when musicians have to play an event they just get up there and they play their song like they play the song everybody wants that they they play the same song over and over again that everybody wants them to play and when you're when you're going up there trying to do something funny people are like give us something new we don't want to hear your usual stuff yeah i'm like how about this it's old you can't repeat your bits and then you have to create rapport and oh it sucks i always want to plug in a guitar and oh my god after every line you're judged if they don't laugh even people that aren't listening like i guess it's not going well but with musicians here it is applause here's the next one applause but there's no like i guess we did good they yell out for you or do you get yell out for you david or does do they yell out your hits or they or they yell stuff i get sort of a sometimes a rowdier crowd uh i mean uh t yeah what's it amy uh dana and i have done corporates do have you and tina ever done a corporate oh yeah i used to do a yes yes and there i mean and i used to i used to do a lot of we used to do a lot of corporate stuff for second city back in the day like you know and this was before anyone you know knew our names but we would have to go we would get paid you know to like to do jokes about, you know, old John Miller.

51:53Yeah. Vice President John Miller. Like he's got crazy hair and he loves, you know, wearing kooky ties. And everyone would be like, that's me. I'm John Miller. And you just have to do all these like specific jokes. So hard. It's so hard. I work with him. That's true. It's so him. You're doing it. He's got three balls and beats his wife. Say something about it. I go in my act. I don't know what to say. And then one guy laughs in the back. Yeah. And then everyone else is like, was that true?

52:22Dana Carvey:It's one guy sets you up. Yeah. And the meet and greet, I'm sure you've had this, but I don't know if it's like alpha male stuff, but I'm this little guy and I'm sort of the star of the show. But in the meet and greet, I have these guys just really kind of fucking wailing on my hand. And maybe they've had a couple of cocktails. They show off. I'm like, I had at one point, then I got tennis elbows, more ailments. So I had to do the fist bump or I had to kind of wave. And they're like, I want to put my mitts in time with your mitt. Squeeze, you know. I'll show you who's boss. I'm like, you're boss.

52:55We don't even have to do this. Yeah, you win, boss. I go, I have frozen hand. And Dana has frozen elbow. And Amy has frozen shoulder. But at least my screen hasn't frozen.

53:05Dana Carvey:So Amy, so you're going to therapy and stuff. I mean, first of all, just career-wise. I mean, do you have any bug? Are you going to try to do a dramatic film? or you're directing, you directed Wine Country, you're writing, you're producing shit. I mean, what doesn't she do? Don't be scared. Don't run away from it. She doesn't pay her taxes.

53:31Dana Carvey:You just do a lot. You do a lot. Yeah, I have this production company called Paper Kite, so we produce a lot of TV and film. I like doing a lot of different things. that's why um you know and trying to stay uh uh trying to stay doing a lot of different things because i find this business is very i mean the strike is a perfect example of it like it's really fickle it's really you have to stay you have to know how to pivot so like i like acting and stuff and writing stuff and directing stuff and and um so i try to kind of do you know whatever is the the next thing I try to do is, is different from what I just did.

54:09And, but I haven't done, I I've been more into writing and directing than performing lately. And the tour has been really fun because it's gotten me back into being excited. And this podcast has been fun because it's, it's a play like a character, but actually doing TV or doing movies like this so hard, so much time, so hard being on set. It's just takes up as you guys know, it just takes up your life. The stories of the hardest are such a chunk. Beginning, middle, end of your day. And, you know, I feel so lucky. Like, I had such a show that I loved that I couldn't imagine going to do something else right away.

54:48And then, you know, suddenly I'm looking at whatever it is, like six, seven years later. But so, yeah, I'm just kind of doing whatever feels right to do next. And I'm so lucky that you brought up wine country. I have such a group of ladies. It's kind of like you guys, it's you guys with grownups. Like, it's just like, I want to just keep doing stuff with the women I love and they're so funny and there's so much fun. I mean, there's no better joy than doing stuff with your friends. Like that's success.

55:16Dana Carvey:And you, who was it? I liked that. You know, I love, I love this phrase. It's been used a few times in this podcast. A murderer's row is such a funny, but it was a murderer's row on wine country. You know, So obviously Maya, Rachel, Anna. Yes, we had a murderer's row in that movie. Paula Powell, Emily Spivey, Anna Gasteyer, Rachel Dratch, Tina Fey, Maya Rudolph. But then when I was at SNL, I was lucky. I was in this group of Will Forte, Fred Armisen, Bill Hader, Andy Samberg, Seth Meyers, like Kristen Wiig. That all happened in my years, too. Kenan Thompson. Like, it was just so that was they were so talented.

55:57People were so, so good and talented. And when I look at those cast photos of who I got, and also the beginnings and endings of my time there, my endings, it was like, you know, Will Ferrell, Chris Parnell. And then, and that was being, then when I was leaving, you know, Kate McKinnon was coming in and like, all these people were coming in that were, so that's the cool thing is you just, if you're lucky, you get some overlap with people that you just love and, that's the best I had one year with Will and got to watch him one last question from me and then Dana whatever he wants but you did Hillary and then was it Kate did it after you yes yeah and Anna I think Anna Gesser did it before me maybe did Hillary before me yeah there was a bunch of them and I did it when when Downey was writing a lot of them and then and then and then we did when Palin that was like first she was running it against Barack you know for the to win the thingy there and then Barack won the what you call it

57:07Dana Carvey:nomination nomination yeah well first he won the nomination right he beat Hillary and then Palin showed up so it was so fun to be able to do those two characters together because you don't get a lot of like female politicians getting to even do scenes together half the time. So that was super, super fun to do. And it felt like it was, everybody was paying attention to that election. It was very, you know, I played Dennis Kucinich one time and everyone was like, ah! Look him up, look him up if you don't know who he is. Dennis Kucinich. Well, then it became a lot, which I, you know, we asked Keenan this question and I've referred to it a couple of times, you know about great cast or great cast members and and he just said the v mvp basically is the women of since the 90s late 90s and we have jan hooks and norah down our generation but there's been so many dominant women and even in later years now the women play the male politicians there's all the rules are so that's that's kind of cool it's progress i suppose for oh yeah women I mean, I was very, very lucky to be dropped into that show at a time when Tina was the head writer and Molly and Sherry and Anna had just left.

58:28Like they had just done so much great work. And yeah, I mean, I just kept going.

58:32Dana Carvey:Just kept going. Yeah, I think that wasn't always the case. You know, everyone has their version of their experience there. And I think there were stretches when women did not feel heard, supported, encouraged. and I'm sure there still are places and stretches now. Everyone has a completely different experience about their time there, but I felt like I lucked out in that there were these just killers that were there crushing that I felt I was part of that group and I felt very lifted up by them. So I was very lucky. It feels like it's been wiped out. if there was ever, you know, some dude in the seventies, you know, women aren't funny, not Lauren, but somebody, you know, like women aren't as funny as men or why after Lucy Ball and others, they would say that Carol Burnett, but it seems now it's like to me anyway, being a baby boomer, it's obliterated.

59:31Dana Carvey:This is a funny person. I don't think I'm watching a woman. I just go, they're funny. They're funny. So I guess I'm calling it progress a little bit, at least. And I would even say to expand it less about gender, like I find the more talented you are, the less, most, unless you're, yeah, you're just not, you're not that insecure. Like the funniest people I know love other funny people. That's what they love. They get drawn to other people's work, regardless of race, gender. Yeah, they don't care. But if it's people that like have their own stuff, they're working out. And here we are back to therapy.

1:00:08Dr. Sheila would be able to get these people in and talk and say like, I know you don't laugh at this person, but really what's the thing about yourself that you're not, not laughing at?

1:00:23Dana Carvey:What's the part about you that isn't funny that you're mad at the women that are mad about? But I do think, you know, kind of dovetailing back into the quasi marine analogy or esprit de corps. But when you see somebody who makes you laugh or me personally who does this and knows how hard it is or just some whimsical luck that something hits you and the rhythms are right and it works. And then watching other people do it. And then really in your own mind going, well, they're doing it. They're doing it, I think, better than me. You know, it's like and you kind of connect to them. And if you meet them socially, places, there's a frequency there or a shortcut.

1:01:02Dana Carvey:It's a it's a great way of communicating. and sense of humor is a good thing if you can have it, you know, in friends and relationships. It just cuts across. And anywhere I would be in the world, if a few comedians walked in, if it was any social awkward thing, even if I knew him or didn't know him, I would instantly be a lot more comfortable. Yeah. At parties, I go up, even those big Oscar type, you just zoom right over to the comedian. Anybody in the comedy world sort of gravitates together, feel like your own little group. Totally. Absolutely. I really mean it. I feel honored to be in a group that you guys feel like you're in too.

1:01:45I would zoom right to you and Tina if I saw you out. I'd be like, guys, save me.

1:01:51Dana Carvey:I'm saving this for them, but I am a licensed therapist. It's a casual thing I got. And why do you feel that way about your peers, Amy? Why do you feel the need to ask? yeah yeah check mate she's been practicing my therapist helped me the one thing she said was she basically says life is a shit show don't get involved in this idea that these people are living these dream lives on instagram or whatever it's all made up to to live is to suffer and to embrace it you're like oh cool okay it's all right it's kind of like what are we talking about about snl you have to kind of believe that no one's really thinking about you everyone's kind of thinking about themselves.

1:02:32And if you take the pressure off of yourself that everybody's thinking about you, then you can have a good time. But most people are just thinking about themselves. You know, life is hard. Everyone's in their own head.

1:02:42Dana Carvey:It's the entire audience. Yeah. And, you know, that we all know that we watch really successful people who kind of get what would, you know, be the platonic version of all the stuff everyone would want. And they're still I'm just not happy. Happy is an elusive kind of concept, you know, because going for content at this point. If you're striving, because it's not a well, another cliche. So is it about the shiny things in the money or people talking to you at an airport? Ultimately, it is. But landing the bit, right? I mean, for me anyway. Well, David's different. it he's coming up listen coming up with ideas or something that makes me laugh is like one of the last joys of like it's still something works in your brain you're like oh this is oh that's gonna kill code of a joke or an angle and you go fuck that little things like that are really mean a lot you know yes agree and hopefully we can still do it when we're like not able to stand up and lift our shoulders.

1:03:48We'll do sit down. You guys will do sit down.

1:03:50Dana Carvey:No matter what they say, if use it or lose it is a, is a concept, you know, I think the more you, I mean, I think trying to memorize your act, like say you have kind of a new act. I was shooting a special and just the exhaustion of your brain, it must be some kind of workout to keep you articulate it, um, or all things being equal because you'll stay more fluid longer and doing this, you know, when we started reading ads, I was dyslexic or something. Remember David in the early days, I was like, I couldn't really read them. And now I've liquefied my ancient brain and now I can I heard Amy doing her ads and I'm like, this is liquid IV.

1:04:29I go, I'm drinking one now. I go, this is similar, but thank you, Amy. Very nice of you to take the time. We love it.

1:04:38Dana Carvey:We love talking to you. And the best part of this podcast, we just get to spend a focused hour getting to know you in 20, whatever it is, 23. It's a very boring time in America. Nothing's going on. So it's good that we can figure out something to talk about. But anyway, well, we'll see. I love this is what I use because someone did it to me. See you around campus as if show business is a high school or something. Oh, that's cute. I love that. Hey guys, if you're loving this podcast, which you are, be sure to click follow on your favorite podcast app. Give us a review, five-star rating, and maybe even share an episode that you've loved with a friend.

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