RE-RELEASE - Bryan Cranston

26:03I didn't know what I was doing. So this is Dana probably does too. We spend eight minutes talking about the 405 and how the crazy drive and then they're laughing. And then I read it. And then when it stops laughing, it goes, oh, forget it. Oh, that happened to me. I'm trying to win them over with the meeting.

26:16Dana Carvey:I made Suzanne Plachette laugh so hard. I had 15 minutes. I'm doing, boy, I'm doing everything. And well, let's, oh, I'm excited to hear you read. And then it was just dead silence. And, you know, I mean, so I'm just curious. I thought, again, I'm curious about our guest today. I think I heard you say at one point that I'm just going to do this show business. This is, you made a decision wherever it goes. I'm just going to do this. And what was that after the soap opera? No, no, I was I was actually going to a junior college in L.A. I had no money. So I was studying police science. I was going to become a cop.

27:02And you look like you could play a detective.

27:07Dana Carvey:You look pretty cool. We'll get to that. You must have played a cop or a detective. I played lots of cops. And I didn't know what to do. So I was going to become a cop and transfer to a university to finish before I went into the LAPD. That was a general plan. But my second year of this junior college, I took an acting class. And in the class, my job was to kiss this really pretty girl. I am making out with this pretty girl. And I'm thinking, oh, my God, this is amazing. and so after after that semester now i'm 19 and i went i have no idea what i want to do that just spun me out of control uh and so i i hopped on a motorcycle and traveled around the country for a couple years getting jobs and celebrating the kiss yeah just well no i was so confused so in a way at the time i felt like i was running away and i suppose i was because I didn't know what it was I wanted to put all my energy in.

28:16And it wasn't until I was on the Blue Ridge Parkway of Virginia, waiting out a rainstorm on my motorcycle underneath a picnic covered picnic bench with a slab of cement and me. And I stayed there for like five days, because it just never stopped raining. And it was at that time, I had this epiphany that, okay, I am going to go after something that I really feel I can be in love with, but I wasn't necessarily good at yet. As opposed to something I was good at, which was police work, but I didn't love it. And so that was the distinction to me. And I thought, okay, here it goes. I'm going all in.

29:00There's no. God, that's ballsy. One of them's like a set job and the other one is iffy, very, very iffy. And we'll always remain that way.

29:08Dana Carvey:When did you first get, without giving numbers, a check where you kind of went, holy shit, you know, compared to regular, you know, I was a waiter, a busboy, dishwasher, all the rest. But, you know, like, wow, that's amazing. They're actually, I love this. And they're paying me a lot of money to do it. It's a very heady thing. Well, I was doing some community theater and some summer stock and dinner theater and stuff like that. But it was in 1979 is when I got my SAG card and started working and making a living. And I did commercials and I did industrial films and whatever would pay the rent and all that.

29:48It was fun. When did you get paid too much money?

29:53Dana Carvey:When did you want to give some of it back? Because clearly this is wrong. There are some of those jobs that you say, no, no, no. Wait, what? What did you get for Godzilla 2017? What did you get? We don't ask. You don't answer that question. I'm sorry. I do know that, you know, I did when I was coming up, I worked, did voices for the Power Rangers. I did so many voices for the Power Rangers that they renamed when they changed all the names from a Japanese name to Americanized sounding names. they said uh why don't we name the blue power ranger cranston billy cranson not brian really do you mind i said i don't mind we didn't think it was going to go anywhere and it goes there so the blue power ranger billy cranston is is named after me because we did i did so many of those those voices let's go team let's go and oh i love that never defeat me i will kill you Oh, I love it.

31:00Dana Carvey:You've kind of done everything, haven't you? Voiceovers, sitcoms, movies, theater. You have to expand your ability to work or else you're really narrowing the field, I think.

31:21Well, I think you're in this new Phoenician. The Phoenician scheme. The Phoenician Scheme, which is very interesting. He shows movies, which I will see this one because you're in it and we're buddies now, but also because those are so cool, those movies that he does. He is. Wes Anderson is probably the most Texan-like Texan you've ever met. Yeah. He's very madly dressed. He's very erudite and polite and worldly. And he it's not to say let me clarify, it's not to say that Texans can't also be that, but the sensibility. Send all your letters to. Yeah. But, you know, so I've done this is the third project that Wes Anderson.

32:16and he's uh it's brilliant he's such an auteur you cannot go into it thinking oh i know where he's gonna twist this or turn that it's like he blows your mind with bananas where he goes with stuff yeah it's crazy i think i saw that last one maybe astro something or scarlett johansson asteroid city yeah yeah asteroid city and uh went and saw the theater it was so fun and so cool and it just like wakes you up like okay here's a movie okay pay attention i was in that everything set dressings everything very good you did a great job um and uh i love bonicio also bonicio in this one he's cool what a cool guy i've run into him along the way here and there but what are your thoughts on your co-star yeah so give us some bonicio so tom hanks and i uh played brothers we play brothers in the phoenicians game and we're shooting this in germany and so we go over to germany and we're in every scene together so we're rehearsing together and stuff and and we had basically in this in this movie venetian scheme it's kind of light lift for us but benicio has a shit ton of dialogue very specific very wes anderson e you know the way it's carved and moved it's like wow and uh so we're i would just saying if there's anything i could do for you man you let me know because you're carrying the load here and he would just nod and look and he would cram and uh so it's challenging work because of the fact that he is so specific and is in his shooting style and his symmetry of his of his camera angles and everything.

34:01It's amazing. But the film works. Venetian Scheme really does work. Those things I've already heard people that have seen it immediately, of course.

34:10Dana Carvey:Yeah, you can tell it's one person is making the movie. I mean, Sam, I know that he's, it just sort of hit me researching that sometimes he collaborates with Roman Coppola. Yeah. And I did a commercial with Chevy Chase and Molly Chan, whatever, for a phone company, Roman was directing it and he had an immaculate suit on and he was such a gentleman. It was just very interesting to watch him do that. And so when I saw him connected to Wes Anderson, there is an eloquence about them. That is a type of director out there. Also, it's nice to be in a movie, Brian, where they're not just like, who do we get to direct this?

34:51You know, because it's going to look so specific to a director when he does it. You just watch the trailer and you go, oh, that's what, okay, that's what that is. You know, and that pulls people right in, I think. And to be an actor, to be in it would be, what a blast. It's cool. I mean, there is some pressure behind it. Like when we were shooting Asteroid City in Spain. Oh, that was Spain? It was shot in Spain for the California desert. Yeah. the california nevada desert uh but i believed it he worked he west lives in paris most the time so and he doesn't like the fly so he takes his his big bus coach that he has all decked out and he travels that way so he usually stays on the con god what a what a life he's in paris with a bus

35:41Dana Carvey:and he has complete control over his work and he gets like 10 superstars yeah so the budget for the acting i heard hank's got 20 million for this one or is that what is that interesting well how does he manage because you're doing it for the love of the art i mean yeah right and he gets just the greatest bill murray and you guys yeah we we all make the same amount of money and i honestly can't even tell you what that is but i know it's not much yeah it's like i i believe it's just more like if he wants you and you do it that's such a great thing that he has it obviously must be just a hell of a nice person you want to be around and it's a great hang because there are no trailers you all go and you're in um one like really souped up kind of tent with the rugs and and nice comfortable chairs and lamps and and you know and everybody just kind of hangs out together and you go in uh you only work usually about eight hours or nine hours a day that's it and within reason and then at night every night there's a long rectangular table and all the actors and all the department heads and the writers and producers and west we all have dinner together every single night with wine and all kinds of stuff so where do you watch porn that's my yeah where how i know where how who has to ask someone it's So embarrassing.

37:12Can we do it at dinner? Do we have to wait? I do anyway.

37:16Dana Carvey:Yeah, you'll figure it out. How do you personally, or I guess it's Project Director, like to be directed? You know, do you like a soft touch? You like someone in your face? Crenshaw, I don't believe a word you're saying. I don't get it. Or does Wes Anderson kind of just sort of wander around and sort of give you subtle notes? Or do you like it all? I mean, the first first day I worked on Asteroid City, I had a quite a large speech to give. And and I got through it in his tricky dialogue. And I thought I did pretty well. And he did, too. He came to me and he said, yes, Brian, that was that was very, very good.

37:55Now, I just need it much, much, much, much faster. And it was like, oh, oh, to hear that. Like, oh my God. So you're going so fast. You don't even hear yourself. You don't even think you're thinking. And you're and getting it out. So the work is challenging. It's hard with dialogue. People forget you're memorizing. It's so hard to get every word right, especially if you're working for a writer, director. And you go, I've had one where he came back and he said, you were great. You missed this one word here. Let's go again. And I go, one word? It was like one word that didn't change. anything yeah but that's the way i wrote it i go got it you said and instead of exactly oh i hate

38:42Dana Carvey:that that's why i hated movies but you go in the morning for the master shot and then you're entering a close-up eight hours later and the script supervisor says no your elbow was on top of the chair oh really i mean that's why have you done um movies where it's like a moving master minimal shooting um that kind of freedom yeah yeah and actually you know i don't know if you remember this dana but we work together what whoa i remember running into at letterman right no we've done that but no like dave said was i first on the call sheet where was i sir you were was i nice way opportunity knocks yeah kind of no it wasn't no clean slate clean slate whoa you were in that that movie that's your probably your lowest grossing movie no that's great i'm so sorry if i could write you a check x i'm gonna do a venmo where are you i i uh i played the very pivotal role of club official yeah dana what would that be do you remember we were at we were in santa monica at on the beach Yes, I remember that.

39:55Right. And I don't remember anything else. Not a thing. Dana doesn't even remember Santa Monica.

40:03Dana Carvey:I don't remember a thing. So I play a character with amnesia. It was terrible. Went to this acting coach and his theory was, you don't, you don't have amnesia. Your character is pretending to have amnesia, but you don't, your character does not have amnesia. Was that real from the movie? This is Roy London. God rest his soul. He's this great actor. So that was his way of getting you out of your own way. So then there was a guy playing a blind person. We were filming at the beach and he had the stick and he's playing a blind person. And I say, I said to him, you know, I, I don't really have amnesia.

40:40Dana Carvey:I'm just pretending. And he goes, I'm not really blind. He'd gone to the same acting coach, you know, whatever. I just figured But Yeah, that was Ridiculous, that was me making a Foolish choice right off of SNL I had way too much heat No experience I wish I could take it back If we could have switched That you became the lead And I was guard number one It might have had a chance No, I was club official Oh, club official God, Wikipedia sucks sometimes that was written by uh robert king yeah robert king he's great worked with since uh yeah i was partners with him on on a series called your honor and he's terrific oh yeah that's a great show i've never seen i've never seen you bad i don't know if you like oh you were kind of bad let's see what was um what was it was the one we circled what was it no but by the way how about So when I heard a Malcolm in the Middle reboot, is it?

41:50That's right. What is it on? What is on Disney Plus? It's going to be on Disney. Yeah. Since they bought out Fox, we were originally owned by Fox. Oh, yeah. How do they do that? And so now we're owned by Disney. And they bought four episodes of this reboot. I didn't think it reboot. It's something I was pushing for for the last 10 years. because I thought that that audience was that hard wow well fun no Linwood Boomer who is the creator of the show when I first pitched it to him he said no I'm not interested no about a year and a half later I said what about it he goes no I really don't think it's something I want to do and I went really starting to improve and then a third one the third time three years after that it was like well you know if someone else wrote it maybe i'll look at it and i just started wearing him down until he said i've got an idea and i said good love it go get it love it so we just finished it we shot that uh a month ago and uh it's amazing how these boys who were my boys on that show are now around the same age I was when we first started.

43:06Oh, no. Really? They've got children of their own. There's a kid on their name. Eric, is there? Yeah, Eric. Eric Sullivan? Yeah, Eric Per Sullivan. Played Little Joe Dirt in an old movie I did. That's right. He played me as a kid. Now, David, did you remember that or now that you were doing the research? I didn't. I remembered he was on it back then. He was really cute and funny. and he walked on little cowboy boots and uh in the movie but now that you say it again i'm like oh that's right he's probably you know older now but he is the only one who's not who didn't come back to act in the show oh for real yeah i talked to eric and i i said hey we got the show it's gonna come back he goes oh that's fantastic and i go yeah so we're looking forward to having you back he goes oh no no i i don't want to do it but it's fantastic yeah because he's he's actually going to harvard and he's a normal person now well i don't think he's he's not normal because he's really not my circle normal he's he's really really smart and he's getting i think he's getting his master's at harvard right now he said oh god no i haven't acted since i was nine or something so i'm i'm not into it yeah wow because he's like it just makes us all feel so dumb that we're actors he's like i don't want to go do that stupid shit again i'm like no it's pretty smart what we do and like no not really it's not that hard oh cool though all right

44:44Dana Carvey:Pick a topic, okay. SNL, you hosted. Oh, God. And just because it was all over the place a couple years ago during the strike, just the idea of AI and robots integrating with our industry and where it seems to be going is fascinating to me because we keep seeing these digital short films by Alphabet Google where you're like, you know, what the hell? I mean, it's getting surreal. we are actually digital copies right now. I just want to be full disclosure, but it is kind of bizarre, isn't it? Just to watch the future, right? It is. It just feels like something a little impersonal, but, you know, I remember it so fondly and being invited to host at that time when Breaking Bad was at its, you know, peak.

45:39And I immediately said yes. And it's such a rush. I mean, I know you guys have talked about this on the podcast before and everyone's experience, but it was it was incredible. And how how deep dive involved you are in every moment of that and that, you know, from that from the first time I'm sitting in in Lauren's office in that chair in the middle and everybody, all the writers are on the floor and behind the curtains and things. and and everyone i thought the pitches that were going on that first day that monday were actually supposed to be sincere it was like some of them are some but most are fake pitches yeah most they go i just want to say this because it'll be rejected and let it die a cold yeah someone said uh okay so you're a barista at starbucks and you finish your drink and you call out Trevor, Trevor, ice, mocha, latte, Trevor, Trevor, and no one ever shows up.

46:48That was his pitch. That's the whole pitch? That was the whole pitch. I went, ah, I thought this is going to be a long week. Yeah, people think of that at Starbucks on the way to the meeting. there like because they have i think the problem is you end the show saturday you don't wake up until sunday at three in the afternoon you do your laundry and then you're in front of brian kranz and so you're like i have i will think of something for him i just have not i would say a

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49:07Dana Carvey:So what was your monologue like when you were coming out there? Did you have a strong one? I did have some ideas, and John Mulaney wrote it. I remember that guy. Did he do that barbershop kind of quartet one or whatever you did? Yes. The singing. That's right, the barbershop kind of thing. And he said, you know, what if we take the point of view that people kind of know you, but they don't really know you? And I said, yeah, OK. He's like, because I was getting that. Are you the guy from Malcolm in the Middle? You're the dad. You're the guy. You're the guy. It wasn't associating name with your name.

49:47Dana Carvey:Breaking Bad was on at that time. Right. Yeah. But still kind of going up. You're kind of that guy. Oh, you're the guy from Breaking Bad. Right. Yeah. And it's not until someone actually knows your name connected to your face that you go, okay, things have changed, which goes back to your original question, Dan, is that that's when you go, oh, things have changed. But we did, yeah, we did the monologue and I just wanted to do anything. I had a couple pitches for them Which I pitched ideas Which were almost immediately Shot down Shot down I had a great pitch I'm a circus clown And do you remember the pitch?

50:34I do remember the pitch

50:35Dana Carvey:But let's hear it and let's see if it's really that bad We'll grade it So

50:42Myself and a date And another couple we can't believe we got reservations for this restaurant it's supposed to be amazing it's called in the sauce and it's like wow and this very snooty waiter comes in and says are you ready can we see a menu no we don't give menus we serve you food you eat the food you leave you know it's like oh okay yes yes yes and he said it's all about the sauce so he puts down a crudite and And we dip it in the sauce and it's like, oh, my God, just amazing. Crudités is taken away. Here comes the entree. You're eating the entree. We're eating. Oh, my God, this sauce is absolutely insane.

51:21We're overeating. We eat too much. We throw up. We dip the barf in the sauce. Oh, my God. It's all about the sauce. It's like no matter what you're eating, as long as the sauce is good. What's in the sauce? Do we know? No, I like it. It's in the sauce. It's in the sauce. What if it's Soylent Green at the end? It's like you have a severed finger and you dip it in the sauce. Whatever. I got you. Yeah. Still good. Still good. That didn't get past Monday meeting? No, it didn't get past Monday. I truncated that pitch now. It goes much longer.

51:55Dana Carvey:I can do a longer version. Sauteed pig snout. You take a bite. Oh, this is horrible. Oh, yes. Dip in sauce. Get everyone to come in with a funny accent. you're halfway there did you get to play uh big big broad accents italian what get that out of your system and just because you have a great ear i mean well you you know it's like that your your listeners know the system now so i mean tuesday is the big writing overnight right and then wednesday the binder the binder of 60 sketches terrifying and each writer is can i talk to you a second okay now you're a pirate and you're there's absolutely no system and they just grab you and they just grab you you know and and so you're you're just making big choices you know okay i'm gonna do a new york accent a southern accent an english accent i'm a pirate i'm a baseball player yeah just you know and so i don't know what i was doing it was just one after another after another and it's dizzying as you know and then but but you know he's weighing Lauren kind of knows what he wants already.

53:04And then I'm shuttled into the room. Shuttled. Yeah, kind of.

53:11Dana Carvey:Yeah, secret Lauren's office. Powered ground. Seth and Steve came in. Steve Higgins, Seth Meyers. Steve Higgins, yeah. And Seth, and we're looking at the board, and Lauren said, well, is there any particular sketch that you felt connected to? and i said yeah that uh this other one is laundry mat one yeah that's not as strong as this one though you know he hoped you agree and then he's like no actually you're wrong but you just picked uh would never work um here's one that's better oh you're a novice it's not your fault but we'll take care of is there anyone you don't like that'll be the car seat any more popcorn Brian he's starving help him he's so fine but yeah I mean it is uh there's nothing like it we've it's been called an athletic event on the show by some people like a sporting event it's tactile it's it's uh high risk I don't know I mean we got to get you back on I want to co-host with you and David yeah I would love to go back on because it is you know Steve Higgins said there's two things, two pieces of advice I can give you.

54:27And I had known Steve before because I worked with his brothers, Al Higgins and David Higgins, who were connected to Malcolm. Al was one of the writers of Malcolm. Dave Higgins was one of the actors on the show. So Steve says two things. First and foremost, trust the cards. Don't think you can go off the cards and I got this i know what it is because they're constantly changing cues are changing lines are changing trust the cards and second don't try to be perfect allow it to not be perfect allow it to be wherever it's going to go it's part of the fun yeah yeah and so i took it that advice and i think by doing so i mean i had a blast and man that 90 minutes was over in it felt like two seconds oh yeah it felt like you know 85 minutes it was amazing yeah the energy that comes because

55:23Dana Carvey:you're going when you host that show you're pretty wiped out by the time the dress and all the stuff and you're coming out and you're like damn and then of course it just it just comes when you need it as soon as you hear that and it's adrenaline yeah and then to hear dog for the first time i'm backstage at that door with the facade and people are scribbling their names on the thing is and you're waiting behind the door and i'm standing there going oh my god i'm about to host saturday night live oh my god and i just i just took a couple deep breaths and then i hear don pardo's voice going i'm the host brian you know and i went that freaked me out and the door opens and out we go and it was like oh god like shot out of a cannon yeah oh well brian before you go i definitely want to tell you it's great first of all great to have you and second of all to have a line like um i won't get exactly right but that scene when you say i am the danger everyone knows it everyone talks about it it's great to have a show it's already everyone's all over it but then to have such a cool thing what a blast i was it it possessed me i was completely possessed by that show the acting and aaron paul all of it was just so new and different i try to think because i was talking to someone i got sopranos breaking bad you know when they say television's better than movies you know like to be up in that category i thought But Ozarks was really good.

57:00Dana Carvey:There's been a lot of other shows, but I can for sure say Sopranos, Breaking Bad. Like if you have people haven't seen Sopranos, you got to watch that. Haven't seen Breaking Bad, you got to watch that. And I think they're seminal. I think they're... The Wire also is... The Wire is another one. There are others where it's like not arguable. People are like, okay, okay. It almost didn't happen for me either. We were finishing Malcolm in the Middle's seventh season And Fox said, keep all the sets up. We might pick it up for an eighth season. Then they turn around a month later said in May of 06. Now, we had a good pilot season, so we're done with Malcolm.

57:41Thank you very much. We're all a little disappointed. It would have been fun. But later that year is when Vince Gilligan wanted to see me for Breaking Bad. And we shot the pilot for Breaking Bad in February and March of 07. had Malcolm in the Middle gone that eighth year, I'm not doing Breaking Bad. Someone else is. Wow. So I try to tell that to young actors all the time to say, luck has a weird way of working. So just when something happens that you think is bad luck, it may be putting you in a position to have better luck. You don't know.

58:18Dana Carvey:Yeah, that's I love Paul Newman for a lot of reasons, you know, his charitable work. But he always people would try to go, how great Kulan Luke and how great you are. He goes, it comes down to one thing, dumb luck, you know, whether that's completely true or not. But, you know, there is whimsy, whimsy to this life and whimsical things happen in show business. You'd never know. But you still should not have taken a shit on his red socks. No, that's crazy. That was, that was a mistake. I know, but I did have a dream last night. I'll leave you with this. I had a dream last night because I thought of you in a way like archetypal, Like you could, you could have been an actor from the forties and fifties or whatever, just because of who you, how you look, you're timeless in a way.

59:03Dana Carvey:And Henry Fonda came to me in the dream. And I said, well, what do you think of these young actors, Bryan Cranston? He said, well, he's as good as anybody's ever been. He sure knows his way around a camera. Would have loved to have done a movie with Bryan Cranston. And then I woke up, you know, I said to my wife, I just heard Henry Fonda talking about Bryan Cranston. So I just wanted to do that for you. Thank you. No one asked me to do Henry Fonda anymore. That's a perfect Henry Fonda. Unfortunately, you got to be 60 to know who he is. They only remember Jimmy Stewart. They don't remember Spencer Tracy, Cary Grant.

59:41Dana Carvey:It's Jimmy Stewart because of the Christmas movie. It's a Wonderful Life. Ryan looks like a little bit like Springsteen today. Yeah. Don't you think a little bit? He does look a little bit. There's an underbite there. Yeah, he's got an underbite. Yeah. I like that. She's cool. Brian, thank you, buddy. All right. Thank you, Brian. Just such a pleasure and good luck in everything. And I'm going to go see this Wes Anderson picture. I'm going to see this thing. The Phoenician Scheme. The Phoenician Scheme. The Phoenician Scheme. And we got Malcolm coming out soon. I love it all. Yep. Thanks, guys.

1:00:14Okay, bud. Have a good day.

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