RE-RELEASE_ Charlie Sheen

23:40Well, I think you know when you get overwhelmed. I think, you know, I mean, everyone says money is the key thing. But when you already have money, you've been rich probably since Apocalypse Now. You've had money. A couple beans in your jeans. Not Apocalypse Now, Platoon.

23:51Dana Carvey:Red Dawn, he got back in on Red Dawn. Yeah, that thing's still paying. Yeah. red dawn covers those honda accord payments just alone so you got that and then you go everyone's your life is great with money but it it sounds stupid but it does complicate a lot of things and you've got so many complications going on and i think you had a trailer on the set as opposed to a dressing room did you have a bus or something or am i had a rumor i had a tour bus that's what i had heard yeah i was jealous when i had a marathon coach um it was pretty cool right outside the stage door probably right like we walk out and then yeah so you shoot it was right there yeah you shoot you go in and wait and then you come back in and do your scenes so you can do whatever you want in there obviously and probably took advantage of that um two and a half not so much uh the stuff before it and the stuff after it very very much so much yeah so yeah when did you first feel like incredibly wealthy what was it after wall street or when or for you you know you're in your early 20s when did you kind of go holy shit i'm a millionaire or i'm close to a millionaire you know teddy stuff right it was probably like in like mid 90s okay yeah but there was about 30 yeah yeah but there was a moment early on when i got my first uh acting paycheck from grizzly from grizzly to the predator or the revenge as they retitled the movie grizzly they did a sequel yes yes yeah and so um i made two grand a week and i was there for three i made six grand i didn't care i didn't know about taxes or any of that shit and i went to the bank and just took it all in cash and i walked into a clothing store and there were these two kind of fancy uh vests not like a western vest but like a like a camping vest right and i couldn't decide on the color it was like a blue one or a freaking green one and i was like i'm gonna take them both whoa yeah and they were like you know 40 bucks each 60 bucks each whatever and just laid out the cash and literally in that moment i felt okay all right this is i'm feeling like a big shot sure and i think you all take both and then you go you like that shit and the lady goes oh there's more that came from bitch why are you being aggressive i don't know bitch maybe it's the money winning how old are you i'm 13 bitch i did a police academy movie and i was making not much money but it was no more than i ever had in my life and i saw some pants in the window in toronto and i went in and the lady goes those are 60 it was like pretty woman like those are for rich people and i go i'll take them and she's like whoa everyone's store was like whoa and i was like 60s nothing to me because i got a hundred dollars in per diem so i bought it i literally there's very few times i've felt richer we all have that story you know i was interesting and i'm sure this in the book that you'd think hey martin sheen's his dad he's growing up like a billionaire you know and obviously in the documentary it's it's it's it's pretty middle class you know it's not fancy pants you and because immediately you guys didn't have money go ahead you can see our house in the background of a lot of the super eight stuff yeah you know and it's not a mansion documentary it's not a not a manicured freaking no no it's very you know it's funky and cool great for a kid but i was wondering if anyone in that posse like i'm fascinated by Sean Penn and Sean, when did you meet Rob Lowe or are you, your friends?

27:38Dana Carvey:Uh, did anyone have a silver spoon or you're all kind of middle-class in a sense? We were, we were all middle-class. Um, uh, Rob's, uh, the, the, the lows came in a little later and the reason, you know, he wasn't excluded intentionally, but the footage that the director, Andrew Renzi chose to incorporate was from the younger, younger years. I think by the time I started making those films with Rob and his brother Chad, I think videotape came into play. It was actually, do you remember this thing called the, it was like a Polaroid brand, but it was a Polaroid video camera. Do you remember this?

28:22I never heard of it once. It developed in the player while you were waiting. Whoa. And then it played it. It was called polar vision, I think. So that's, you know, yeah. So we were sort of in the cutting edge of like, as the technology was improving. But no, his, his, the Lowe's dad was still in Ohio and their stepdad was a psychiatrist. They lived right down the street. Sean's parents, a director, actress. They married until the day they both died. And so, but nobody was rolling. Nobody was driving a fancy car or fancy duds or picking up a check. So yeah, it was really a cool time to just experience all of that and not have a ton of excess and special effects and bullshit sort of in the way of those memories, you know?

29:25Dana Carvey:And Super 8 or whatever that was, it's just emotional, you know? And I think it's funny, like every kid who ever got a hold of a camcorder or whatever, they always want to do war scenes or crime scenes and want to do a death scene. Like, ah! Sure. Did you have a good go-to move? Like, oh! Um, yeah. The platoon move is a big one. Willem Dafoe. Oh, yeah. The whole, yeah. The crucifixion. That's been reenacted all over. Yeah. I actually, I have that as a sticker in my phone that I send people. When I know how to respond, it's just Dafoe. It's like that. So if you get that, it just means I'm stumped, you know?

30:10Fucking send me that.

30:12Dana Carvey:It is interesting of like the trifecta. I think you for Vietnam war films, you know, you'd say deer Hunter, platoon and apocalypse now. And there was a sheen in two of them. And I think that that film really along with wall street and others really holds up, you know, platoon has, has some magic to it. And would you put, would you put full metal jacket in there anywhere? I put anything Kubrick does as a given. Yes. Yes, I would. That's a good call. Full metal jacket, anything Kubrick pretty much, you know sure that is just magic you know apocalypse now brilliant uh masterpiece master and deer hunter you know the mouth oh you know with christopher walken one of the greatest most intense scenes ever made so yeah but you're part of that and it's pretty cool thank you thank you charlie what movies did you turn down that sting the most and i'll tell you which one if it's opportunity knocks i'm so sorry if it's tommy boy i'm gonna be me i'm so sorry I was doing you and me.

31:14Dana Carvey:No, go ahead. I turned down White Men Can't Jump. Were you going to be Woody or Wesley? I would have been Woody, yeah. And then just coincidentally, a bit later on, I think it came after, maybe before, I turned down Indecent Proposal. Whoa. So I was waiting for Woody to send me some flowers and thank me for advancing his career like I did. Those were big. I found in Decent Proposal, you know, I'm a huge Redford fan. God rest his soul. End of Me More and everything. But I just found the movie very depressing. Woody's character was so like, I mean, that was the only thing I'd say about Dodge. I don't know.

32:00Dana Carvey:It just wasn't my favorite movie, although it's skillfully, brilliantly done. I just was like, you know. I couldn't get past the thing that, all right, they did that. He's got the money to, to, to, you know, to lessen the sting a little bit. Yeah. And then spends it all on that tchotchke. Right. Right. Like the little Jade elephant or something. Yeah. Yeah. Or am I misremembering that? No, there was something weird. It was a very. Charlie's love was real and it wasn't about money and it wasn't about this, but they still have to stay married and live with that moment. Right. With the thing with Threadford.

32:32Which is tough. Right. Charlie's agent wrote back, Charlie likes it, but wants to tweak the ending. Pretty much. They said, we're pretty locked in the ending. He said, that's a pass from Charlie. That's pretty much how we went.

32:48Dana Carvey:Did you see Brokeback Mountain and call your agent? Why the fuck wasn't I up for this? I have to admit, it's kind of one of those films that's always been on that unseen but need to get to it list. you know and i think that we all sort of have um yeah so i never i never saw it but i hear it's fabulous well it's it's yeah it's it's it's a little heartbreaking but yeah the performances are exceptional you know sure yeah good fellas good fellas we're up for that i was not up for good fellas no karate kid uh karate kid is is one that um that i actually had um i don't know if i could um classify it as turning it down or describe it as turning it down it's um i just i i you know it's in the book it's in the doc i think um and that i i just asked for some time because the advice from my dad was to was to stay to honor my word with grizzly and because i'd already you know committed to that fucking grizzly comes into the picture that fucking bear that bear ate me twice right jaws on land yeah grizzly um so he said um if if if they wait for you it's meant to be um if they don't then it's your you know your reputation being a man of your word is going to further than one big movie i i don't know from a from afar i i do have a lot of admiration for your dad i i did meet him and i did something with him one time it was just a a charity event We were all doing Shakespeare with Tom Hanks, but that's good.

34:31Dana Carvey:Yeah. Well, it was kind of like pretend fun Shakespeare. Was it in the park? They do that in the summer. No, it was in Santa Monica in the theater. It's a reading, right? Isn't it a reading? Yeah, but then we all go on stage and sort of kid around and are reading. You know, I'm doing impressions and things in Shakespeare. One thing I was going to ask is people who've been in brilliant films around brilliant people. uh the you know you've been across your your partner man or woman and went damn you know this this person is exceptional or someone who kind of took you back a little bit by just how great they were at this thing called acting sure who who who might those who was that i i wanted to bring up the elevator scene with your dad that that was one of those moments um when you actually you get distracted because you're you become an audience member and then wait but you're in the scene and shit it's my line uh you know what i mean it's like those moments and i had i had some of them with michael douglas on the same movie definitely had him definitely had him with dad um even though he's only in it you know just a little bit james spader in wall street i was kind of like going oh shit so they're doing it like that now you know what i'm saying it was like this whole cool thing um and then yeah it uh who else who else um oh shit um um michael j fox yeah just then we had a couple we had a couple scenes together um he he had transitioned out and i had stepped in oh but he but he wanted to stay close enough to it to to like to bridge the the the transition you know and and yeah we we we did some scenes together and and it was it was other level talent.

36:16I was like, whoa.

36:17Dana Carvey:He's stout. I mean, you look at Back to the Future, I sound like I'm doing Trump, but that's hard to do. And I know he replaced Eric Stoltz, who probably was great, but to be light, play it dramatic and ride that whole wave of those movies. Yeah. Michael J. Fox is, I don't know if he's underrated or appropriately appreciated. That's a great question, but it's interesting because there's a thing that I do describe in the book and it's it's it's really there for a reason uh you know not just to to celebrate and honor him but also because that's like that's my last outpost um before going on to two and a half so i was kind of symbolically implying like okay i borrowed a little bit from this dude you know because there was tons flying off of him and took it over to that thing and we know we saw how that thing went you know so well it's rare can you imagine how excited when they they get two and a half men together and chuck lorry and the cast is there and then you're just you're winning you're killing it like because it is a skill set and you started in spin city but then um it's hard to find a leading man handsome leading man who could also be very funny you So they must have been high-fiving at some point behind the scenes, just because you're great at this too.

37:43Dana Carvey:Thank you. Thank you. But it was just playing the straight man. And when I did it in the hot shots. But yeah. The hot shots, that's right. Well, when I did it in hot shots, I was borrowing a lot of stuff from Leslie Nielsen. Who better to borrow from? That was the theme. That was sort of the feel. love that movie hot shot oh thank you thank you and then i was borrowing stuff uh from ted dancing on cheers for two and a half but i know he's a sober bartender and i was a drunk jingle writer but just as far as the the straight man and and you know what i'm saying he's he's he's kind of the anchor and all the all the craziness revolves around you know orbits his his star his planet But you're not putting huge spin and overacting.

38:32You're not like Kramer. You know what I mean? You're just saying your lines and they sell themselves with good writing and they know how to write for you.

38:41Dana Carvey:It's hard to be a funny straight man like Andy Griffith was to Barney Fife. Right, right, right. Yeah, but thank you. But especially coming from you guys, come on, two, you know, veterans and, you know, extremely successful veterans. To get comedic compliments from you guys is really badass. So thank you. Well, don't you and your own personal life, you know, kind of fall in love with talent? You know, it's just kind of fun to watch, you know. And I was just maybe a clumsy thing, but, you know, I thought of people who get out fast, you know, and it's a rare, but it's kind of that are very talented.

39:22Dana Carvey:Like, well, I'm talking about Woody Allen and I'm talking about the Beatles, Bob Dylan, you know, by 21, 22, Brando. And you were kind of in that group in a way. I'm just saying loosely because you came out so good and so showed so much talent. But, you know, who musically, who's your who's your North Star? like when you, the canon of rock and roll, are you Pink Floyd? Are you, are you Neil Young or Led Zeppelin? Oh, I just watched that documentary on the plane. They were pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. I think they got a shot. That's probably the legendary front man. Led Zeppelin. Yeah. What'd you think of the doc?

40:02Did you, did you, I thought it was pretty good. You know, I always like when it gets to more, I don't always like the beginning. I like to know just to where I knew them, you know and uh but it was very interesting and everyone loved it so i watched on the plane it

40:14Dana Carvey:was perfect i ate it up very quickly yeah yeah it's excellent what was your thoughts i love i i would have liked that they got to if they'd taken it to zep four right it could have gone there you go yeah yeah yeah because that's the one they only started to get to the stuff i really liked and i was like wait is that it it's over i was like go go go go yeah oh we're landing that's It was interesting for a doc to show them. I guess it was on a TV show or somewhere, but you showed them really jam for like 12 minutes or something. Like really go song to song. I think they showed one full song. I think it was rock and roll.

40:50They showed the whole song. I think you're right. Yeah. And I was like, this is the one that's probably, I mean, as good as any. Oh, question, Charlie. You collect things and I'm sort of been in your orbit. We're roughly the same age, roughly in showbiz. you're obviously doing a ton of stuff way more but in a weird way i remember i'd heard i was at an elvis auction at butterfield and butterfield in the old days i sometimes buy collectibles and shit i think you're in a maybe baseball cards i've always heard that and sure was there an elvis green amex you bought ever because i think i had my eye on one of those wow they said i think Charlie Sheen got it.

41:31You know, I'd love that. That's the kind of rumor that you want to embrace. That's a cool one. That's yeah. Cause then when the bill comes, everybody's kind of waiting for you to drop that. Cause you can buy. Dana, I bought an Elvis set list, you know, like he wrote on the, on some Michigan Hilton. He was writing all the songs like love me tender, his handwriting and shit. Oh wow. And so I bought that and I bought a gun he had and I bought something else, but I wanted this Amex, but it was too rich for my blood. And what did it, cause I didn't buy it. I, I, I never, this is the first I'm hearing about this Elvis auction.

42:10It sounds awesome. What, how much did the Amex go for? 50 ,000. 50 ,000. And that was 20 years ago because I was at the auction and Joey Esposito was there. So they were like authenticating stuff. And I bought a watch and I don't have, I don't think anything left from that because I lost the set list. But I bought stuff before and I thought, oh, I think Charlie does maybe baseball cards or maybe baseball. I don't know. Yeah. Are you in and out of that biz or not? I've sold everything. Okay. I should have come to that garage sale. Jesus Christ.

42:45Dana Carvey:What did you sell that was a little bit like? I had something from every era. I had a lot of Babe Ruth stuff. I had that famous long white overcoat that he's seen in tons of photos. Oh, had the coat? Oh, you had the coat? Yeah, yeah, I had the coat. I mean, there's probably more than one, but I had one of three probably. I had a lot of jerseys, had a lot of caps, a lot of hats, some great bats. But there was a turning point moment where, because I had these cool cases built at my house up in Malibu Lake years ago. and I had been to the Hall of Fame for the first time. And I thought kind of, this is back then, like in 1991.

43:30And I thought what they had, how they had set it up was a bit shoddy. I thought this, I could see like a moth, like down in the corner behind the glass. And I was like, what are they doing? Right. Yeah. And so I was inspired by it. I wanted my cases in my house to be like nicer than the Hall of Fame in Cooperstown. Right. And so we brought in the right people and, you know, And they delivered that, right? But then a couple years later, I was looking for something. I opened a dresser drawer up in my bedroom. And there's a 1941 Ted Williams road jersey, like just folded nicely and in the drawer.

44:11And I had that, you know, it's the area hit, you know, 406 and all that. And I had that moment of if I don't have room on a wall for this, like this is the last time that anybody ever did the thing he did while wearing that, then I need to recirculate a lot of these artifacts and antiques and just let others enjoy them. And then Leland's put together an auction and it was all sent back out into the world. Oh, interesting. And some cards. Are they not a Honus Wagner card? or was it i i had one called like the five pinhole card because they're they're just so good graded so anally and they have to describe everything and i guess i guess some kid back in the 20s like was sticking it up on a on a on a board or somewhere in his bedroom and oh and there was holes in it yeah but don't you think you'd at least just keep using the same hole why did he have these kids five holes um no those dipshits they're ruining cards for the future i don't know yeah they really were so but i'm sure that went a little pricey uh yeah it was it was up there but not nearly when that when that wagner card really got everyone's attention when gretzky partnered with um was it mcnaul gunny mcnaul and they paid like what they pay for that like 500 grand everybody was like this is out of control and now now you think about that that's like chump change right yeah I mean all that stuff just keep it's one of the few niche places that just keeps going up faster than stocks it's they just bought

45:50Dana Carvey:people have a passion and they collect their passion and even you know Jay Leno probably has made more money or you know he won't sell his cars no but he probably if he did he'd make more money off his passion than even his easily comedic career I have a friend who collects antique bottles, and his collection is worth$3 million. He's just dug them out of the San Francisco Bay because it was all landfill. And you go in there at night. I went with him, and you dig where they're excavating a building. Where you're digging down a hole, and then you see this little two inches of ash. And that's 1906, the earthquake and the fire.

46:25Dana Carvey:Then you go further, and you're pulling out shoes and stuff. Once in a while, you get a bottle that's worth$50 ,000. Wow. It's interesting to - Further, and you're in China. Yeah. You know, one thing I was going to ask Charlie about, because I was seeing all the Cooperstown as this, I want to have more. And we all have this 10 year old boy inside of us. And it's sometimes it's, it's necessary to have success is just to have a fair play, competitive instinct. They do that. I mean, Nicolas Cage was so competitive. I did a movie with him and we just made, made fun of the competition, you know, because, because Kurt Russell was in Tombstone and he had a line in the movie.

47:04Dana Carvey:You're going to throw down, boy, if you remember the movie, to Billy Bob Thornton, who weighed 220 pounds. So when Nicholas thought I did something good, you threw down, you really threw down today. Wow. What film did you guys do? The films I do aren't even on video, and they're banned from Earth. No, it was Trapped in Paradise. Oh, wow. We wandered around in the snow. No, we fell around in the snow, me, him, and John Lovitz for three months, and somehow they put something together. Okay. But Nicholas was a blast. He is, isn't he? One of the funniest and brightest guys I've ever met. Was he one of your Malibu guys up there?

47:44Dana Carvey:No, it's not Nicholas Cage, your relationship with him. Yeah. No, he's not a Malibu guy. He was a town guy and a Bay Area guy sort of back and forth. I'm sorry, what was the last question? Well, I just wanted to know about your relationship with him, you know, because you guys kind of hung out. I know there was, you know, extracurricular activities, but just as a person, I found him very charming. And he's one of my favorite people. We don't see each other enough, but when we do, it's quite special. Yeah, because you talk about his intellect, you know. And then you wrap that inside of this outlandish sense of humor just that is rooted somewhere outside of what us mortals can grasp.

48:37And it's an insane and beautiful mashup.

48:41Dana Carvey:He never saw acting as having to be accurate. He just found that you could do whatever you wanted with it. So he's doing a scene. It's this cheesy movie. And he's supposed to come in and kind of ask for forgiveness for this girlfriend or something like that. And he goes, I'm going to do Daniel Day-Lewis from my father in this take. So he comes. All of a sudden, he comes out screaming, falls to his knees. Why? Why? Why? And I was like, you can do that? I mean, he's a unicorn. There's no rules with him. There's no rules with him. And to have that kind of courage inside those spaces, it's to be marveled at, you know?

49:26Yeah. Oh, I got something. Was Tom Cruise in any of your early movies? Did you know he was going to be a big deal? We knew, yeah, pretty soon. Because when Sean's young brother, Chris Penn, dropped out of high school and bum rushed that set of Taps on the other side of the country. he came back talking about this guy named Tom Cruise. In my mind, I added a Z and I thought he was Latin. I thought he was a Mexican or a Spaniard or something. And then when I met him, I was like, oh, you're from Oklahoma. And then he smiles and then you start to engage his personality and his intellect. And you're like, yeah, this guy, there's something going on here for sure.

50:08But Emilio and he became really tight because they were auditioning for The Outsiders at the same time and helping each other prepare for their auditions. And then they both got it, the different roles. And they've been great friends ever since. So I was younger than them, so I was kind of like tagging along. But any time I've seen Tom over the years, wherever, he's awesome.

50:37Dana Carvey:you know well it's just become oh these last few years it's like you sort of just stand back in awe you know because i'm basically a baby you know i may be hung from a wire once but you know he's hanging on airplanes and i know like i'm strapped down he's holding his breath for six minutes i mean you can't even what the fuck so you have to see the movie what the fuck yeah right yeah yeah do you think at some point um he's gonna want to get back to like a magnolia right right oh yeah that right which was a work of art and he was spectacular in that yeah what you gotta respect the cock i'm sorry was that that was it that's it yeah yeah he said it better than i did but yeah um he's a force of nature it's funny because sandler has the ability to go from a paul thomas anderson movie to a big broad happy go more and he goes back noah bomb back then he He goes back to abroad.

51:37And I think Tom obviously can do anything he wants, but you're right. These are important, but mission impossible to top gun. It's huge, huge blockbusters, but what do you want to go small again? What do you want to go? He could get an Oscar. He's great.

51:51Dana Carvey:I think if Christopher Nolan called him or somebody, you might even get his attention. I think so. I think so. I mean, he does want to make movies that fill theaters and give people that, that, that, that, that experience that they, that connects them back to their childhood. That, that, that's really, He's the savior of that. I think he's made himself the guy, the spokesman. He and the filmmakers know this, but it was in Roman Holiday a long time ago, but basically nonverbal with music. So the end of Top Gun, you have a six minute montage of the end of the movie of people tearing up, no real dialogue and saluting.

52:24Dana Carvey:And we were alive and we did this. And I've seen other films do that F1 and where there's this silent movie added onto the movie. and it's very affecting, you know, that three or four minutes where you're seeing them in tears, looking at each other. And it's all, a lot of the blockbusters are using that now. So it's just kind of interesting to me. But Top Gun really got me emotionally because, you know, I hear Hans Zimmerman, I hear just the music. I'm kind of, it gets me emotional. And then you see Tom Cruise is really good at hugging someone, coming back. He's got this look and the teary eyes in the kitchen.

53:00Yeah, yeah. He insists that we experience that moment with him. Right. Right. Yeah. Now, is that the first Top Gun that you're referring to? Or is this the second one? The second one. Got it. Got it. Okay.

53:15Dana Carvey:Yeah. Which came out of nowhere. It was an in-movie theater big hit when the industry really needed it, obviously. And they tried to stream it, didn't they? Whoa. Yes. Not on his watch. Yeah. No. No. No. He stuck to his young gun. Speaking of that, in 1988. Thank God they didn't wait 30 years between grizzlies. Right? I mean, that would have been a disaster.

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57:49Shit, I think we're out of time, Dana. I think we had a wrap with Charlie Sheen. Any wrap-up questions for this guy?

57:57Dana Carvey:Not really. I think the book is the book of Sheen, the documentary. I mean, we consciously, we talked about it. We know you've done a lot of press. We wanted to make this lighter and more fun and wanted to pick your brain about relationships with your dad or whoever. Sure. This has been incredibly refreshing. Good. That's what we wanted. Thank you. I'd like to believe that I get invited back. That'd be amazing. And then we can do it and be in the same room. Are you feeling okay with the thing that happened? Oh, yeah. I'm telling you. I'm just fine. I didn't want to give you anything, but yeah.

58:35Dana Carvey:No, no. And thank you. I appreciate that. But I do have a question for David. Yes. Good. And there was a weird moment during the fight, right? Okay. And Michael Irvin, he's a lovely man. Yeah. He's just beautifully all over the place, but what a good dude. But when I look over and I see Dave's name on the chair next to me, I was like, okay, all right, I'm going to have some backup. Reinforcements coming in. I don't know why I thought that, right? Yeah. So he sits down and I'm like, did they plan this knowing that this was already scheduled, right? So they finally cut the chairs apart. Everybody's having a great time.

59:21And I look up and I see this giant rig, like where they had speakers and the lights and the thing. It weighs like 400 ,000 tons, right? And I said to Dave, I said, if that breaks loose, we're clearly in the crush zone, right? And I said, are you cool if I'm the last guy on this planet that you interact with? And he took a beat. took a beat and and said something to the effect of yeah yeah i i think i'm okay with that and i said good because i'm okay with it being you too you know and so we really bonded there i felt like we bonded there man and clearly it didn't fall but is that no but i like that you put that in my head uh i think i was taking a beat because i was thinking what are the does he know something i don't is this going to fall and then marsh on lynch sat in front of me and blocked 110 of the fight oh my gosh his head is this big i go wow wait is the fight over i i go to watch on the screen now oh i do that all the time can this fall or is this also dana they show they show michael j fox on the screen and i go for no reason you can tell he's still mad at you charlie that was funny that was funny yeah based on nothing that was excellent that was fun

1:00:49Dana Carvey:to be at the fight with charlie laughing because i want you do you mind doing michael j fox casualties of war just for charlie oh me uh if you don't remember in char i remember that movie charlie i do i love michael j fox and sean is grabbing this yeah and he's like hey sarge hey You gotta give me a minute on this here Sarge Oh Christ she's just a farm girl Sarge what are we doing here That's amazing It gets me every time Such an obscure specific Impression Michael J Fox in that movie I was like And Clarkie was John C. Reilly And Sean Penn's like Fucking Clarkie throw her down and take her clothes off I'm like hey we gotta get these VC gooks These VC gook whore I'm like, what is this movie?

1:01:39I thought it was a fun comedy because it was Michael Zay Fox. I'm like, this movie took a dark turn and never turned back. Yeah, they're just, whatever. And Sean was hard on him during that film, wasn't he? Oh, on Michael Zay Fox probably. Method acting in a way. I had heard about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Apparently he was just, you know, none of the, didn't want to do anything. Because he's like, you're a sitcom guy, kind of. Maybe that, but also just the character. just oh yeah just a staggy character yeah resentment you know yeah yeah yeah alpha alpha yeah do you know i've only i've only worked with sean on two and a half men i've only really sean in a in a comedic setting he was brilliant it's it was our first episode second season and he's in a men's group and it was elvis costello and harry dean stanton and me and bobby cooper it was awesome um but isn't that a trip that the first time he and i actually yeah i thought you had I thought he was one of your old movies.

1:02:37No, just the stuff you see in the dock where he shoots me in my own backyard and then stuffs me in the refrigerator for Emilio to discover later on. It was nuts, you know? Yeah. He can be very funny, though. I think he went on Friends and was very funny. Such an interesting character.

1:02:54Dana Carvey:You know, SNL, when he did the read through, I go, ah, this guy's talented. Yeah, he's talented. Oh, right on. Right on. Charlie, we'll do it again, and we'll do it. We got more to talk to you about because you have just too much.

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