RE-RELEASE - David Byrne

27:22Dana Carvey:what's the rival town? So if you're playing Fresno and I go, Oh yeah, that's a good one. They go, we hate Modesto. Then I go out and I just say, Modesto sucks. And I've got them. It's the easiest thing in the world. Or you go, that joke was funny. This guy from Modesto doesn't get it. And then it's a running gag. David, you can use any of these, any of them. Okay. Okay. Just take them with you. It's so funny. Oh, I have a question about your, one of my favorite songs, Wildlife. The video, isn't the video, does it have a ton of cameos in it? Yeah, it's people. It's meant to be like a karaoke night or something like that where people are jumping up and singing a line.

28:06It's kind of taken off on that. And people, the audience members are kind of dressing up like their favorite singers or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a great one. And that one, was Buscemi in it or am I crazy? No, it was not. to bishemi was a local guy in dallas that looked like bishemi oh for real yeah oh my god i was about to say who is in that thing because that was such a fun video and uh such a great song i still crank it on my ipod is ipod something ipod i think that's what i have my phone yeah uh it's on my phone but whatever uh believe me and i'm these i'm one of these guys that i get those apple songs and they're 99 cents or whatever.

28:47And so instead of joining something, I just go, well, I already have this. I don't want to learn anything new. And I realized I have 20 ,000 songs. So I've spent 20 ,000. It's the dumbest thing I could ever do, but I just keep doing it one by one and they're just adding up. I'm like, I think this isn't smart, but love that. Take Me to the River has a great beginning. I'm just, I'm going through your songs now, which is, I know you get bored by that, but it's great because I'm asking. So it's something different. Take me to the river, Dana. You know, that one is such a killer beginning. And the only thing you need in the middle when you go drop me in the water, you could have me up there and I'll go.

29:28Dana Carvey:Oh, that's his best sound effect. So if I'm ever there, I'll jump up. We could have added that. Everyone can't do it. And as we've said before, the MTV generation growing up with me, the V was for the videos than it was for the music. And it wasn't 24 Hours of Ridiculousness, which is a show, which is actually really good. But they used to have more than one show on there and music videos. No one believes me. But that was a really fun time when you probably got a new song. It's probably kind of fun where they go, the next step literally is what's your video? Is that kind of how it was? Yeah, yeah.

30:08I really enjoyed making videos back then. you could you had a song you thought okay this might be the single and you could go out and do a video kind of cheaper cheaply some kind of more cheaply than you can do today actually and you know they'd run it they were desperate for material oh and then you were getting all their material for free from the record company so uh if you could give them a video they'd start running it within a week which was just kind of amazing for us it's great um well yeah you have blank slate and you're kind of an artist you are an artist so that must be fun you've got a song which you already wrote you made that that was one breakthrough and now a song is working and then you go oh now i get one more crack at it what is it the scary thing is what's everyone gonna remember forever because you sort of at my age i would just picture the video when i hear the song exactly so you had to be a little bit careful because you know that's what's going to be burned into people's minds uh yes but yeah we discovered that there were songs that in those days songs that broke because of the video um oh yeah yeah the radio maybe wasn't really playing it that much and then the video would people would just they'd play it over and over again and then the radio would kind of be forced to play it.

31:31Yeah, for sure. It took on a new life.

31:35Dana Carvey:And it did seem, obviously, going back a little bit, your art school roots, like John Lennon, seemed like it was a natural fit for you. Everything had an artistic bent. And for a second, just American Utopia, the album and the show, it would appear to me that would be as satisfying as anything you've done, this recent Broadway run, because the the way you reinvented Broadway, I mean, you can speak to that. I mean, you reinvented it with that stage show by everyone being mobile. That's pretty brilliant. I mean, go ahead. Will you talk to that? To me, that, yeah, starting way back with music videos, but being able to kind of do a stage show like that, it was kind of bringing together everything that got me excited, whether it was the staging or the choreography or the lighting and all those things, right?

32:21Kind of bring it all together in one package. and the trick with the trick with broadway i think was uh getting the sound to be like not broadway sound um the sound the sound mix on broadway musicals tends to be of a certain type we thought no we want this to sound like we want this to sound like a real concert uh we need people to understand the words and all that which is you can't always do at a music concert but we need to do that but yeah that was that was a little bit of an uphill battle

32:58Dana Carvey:but it worked uh it really inspiring for the the percussion section so you knew you wanted the drummers to move so you needed rather than the drummer behind the kit so you had multiple drummers almost like a marching band moving about in choreography it's just uh how were you did you do every show, David? Were you starring on every show? I had to. I'd assume who could substitute for you. I'm not going if he's not there. How did you pace yourself with that? Is that a beating? I mean, I do 60 minutes of stand-up and I lay down in a hammock afterwards and people fan me. I was packed in ice earlier today.

33:36I was packed in ice. I get packed in my tub at the holiday.

33:40Dana Carvey:On a regular basis. But obviously you were having so much fun that that keeps fatigue at bay are you enjoying it uh yeah i was enjoying it i paced myself yes yeah um i i ran into hugh jackman at a dinner once so i so before i did the show on broadway yeah i reached out to him and said um i'm not used to doing you know shows whatever six or seven days a week or whatever it might be do you think i can do this do you have any advice for me because he's the only person i could think of who had done like a one-man show singing the whole show yeah on broad he's an athlete yeah yeah and so i uh asked him do you think i can do this and he said yeah you could do you know how's your voice voice is fine they said you know uh he said don't go to parties after don't go don't visit your don't hang out with your friends in a bar after because you will end up talking louder in a bar that you are singing on stage and that will wear that's like doing a whole nother show smart so he said don't do that meet them for lunch the next day um then he said if you've got two shows uh don't pick a nap in between the two shows because that's your first inclination is phew got through that now i need to like rest up before the next one he said no no no no because then you're whatever your energy and stuff will just drop down to zero and you got to build it all back up again for the next show he said you just got to you know push through it and and then you'll be ready for the next one could i possibly after the uh this get the hugh jackman's yeah i need his information because He seems to really be good about advising.

35:31Dana Carvey:I want my life coach to be. Just whatever, HughJackson.com. He also sounds boring. After the show, lay down in a hyperbolic chamber. Until the next show, I'm like, well, how can I go out and get my kudos? I need some high fives. I would have told you, pack yourself in ice before the first show. Get repacked in between shows. So how did you come down then to go to sleep? Do you have a scotch on the rocks? Do you meditate? Yeah, yeah. I'd have a couple of glasses. I'd go home, have a couple of glasses of wine and watch some TV show. I call it brain candy, right? Just something that will - Yeah, brain candy.

36:14Nothing too heavy. Yeah. Nothing too emotional that would kind of make me dream, weird dreams, stuff like that. Just the Saw movie franchise. I usually watch that to doze off. Yes.

36:26Dana Carvey:If you want to put on movies called Clean Slate or Opportunity Knops, I guarantee you, David, you are out within five minutes. You're like, what the fuck? Give me a little shard. That may, you may want to have a third glass of wine. Be careful about that. When you see an abomination, you know, it starts to tip.

36:51Dana Carvey:There's two things I'm really interested in. One is your fascination with the brain. And I was curious what your thoughts are with the studies about psilocybin or ketamine in terms of helping with addiction and helping the brain. Because you've done a lot of stuff around the brain. You have that show where you come out with the brain. You talk about the brain. Oh, yeah. And so where are you at with that now? What's your thoughts? Where are you at with the brain? What are you doing with the brain? I haven't tried any of those therapies. I watched the Michael Pollan show about - Psilocybin and stuff like that.

37:28Dana Carvey:Yeah. Oh, you haven't done them? I haven't done them, but I kind of watched the show. It was all about that, treating those things as therapy and all that stuff, LSD and everything, were used pretty successfully, it seems, for therapy until it was made illegal. Yeah. And then it was just like silence. No more research. Right. You couldn't touch it. Yeah. And everything, any kind of beneficial stuff that it did was all denied and shoved aside. It was all this government propaganda about how you would have babies that would look like fish or whatever. Yeah. And now that's kind of people kind of getting back into it and kind of treating it seriously as a therapeutic thing.

38:13And I sort of thought, okay, probably have to monitor it really carefully, see how people respond. But for some things, yeah, like post-traumatic stress, things like that, it seems like it does help people.

38:27Dana Carvey:I was told this. I'm sorry to interrupt, but I want to hear your response to this. It's just that non-psychoactive psilocybin drops over time, daily, create bigger neural pathways. And the metaphor was told to me is that if you're stuck on a cycle of thinking that's negative or whatever, it's like a little river going down or a little stream going down a giant canyon. When you do these psilocybin drops or a period of time, your thoughts start to emancipate and you're seeing a gush of water, a big giant whoosh of water going down and it frees open that negative pattern. So anyway, thoughts either of you guys?

39:10I could definitely see that that could be the case, that, yeah, we do get stuck in our ways of thinking. If somebody's had a traumatic experience, they just kind of play that movie over and over again, and they need to kind of find a way out of it. And people are non-trusting the pharmaceutical companies more and more, so they're trying, you know, Eastern medicine. There's different things that everyone wants to try just to say, what if there's something from the earth? What if there's something that I'm just haven't tried that they don't, they don't seem to want me to try, but it might be great for me.

39:40And I know a lot of people doing special K now and microdosing. And I really didn't know it was for real treatment other than just recreational, but they are saying. Special K is ketamine, right? Ketamine, yeah. Okay, special K. But you hear it's a horse tranquilizer. So you go, well, I mean, I can't even do Z-Quil. I can't even do a full teaspoon. so I go I don't think I need that because I a horse is bigger than me uh the last horse I saw

40:09Dana Carvey:ketamine is supposed to like you go on a pretty heavy trip and I guess if it works for your brain what I'm told is that it um you're able to get outside yourself and you're able to laugh at yourself and you have these revelations that last even though you have a bit of nausea for a couple days and for three months you're just freed from that locked negative thinking so what are you david david burn if you have the blues you're feeling kind of down do you go on a bike ride because you're a big bike guy you're always i'll do that yeah i'll do that um i don't you know i don't get the blues i don't get depressed that often and we all do sometimes but but in general i'm pretty upbeat and if if i'm going through a difficult period i'll just kind of go okay just keep going self-talk yeah yeah that that thing you did is look yeah that thing you did failed or it looks like it's not going to happen or yeah could you possibly work that into a song like i don't ever get the blues you know it's a blues song about a guy i don't ever get the blues you might find yourself not getting the blues you ain't find yourself sorry i had to do that same as it ever was oh no i don't think nobody want i don't think people want to hear that they don't want to hear like oh yeah i'm a super happy guy yeah uh you know blues does better my life is great and it's kind of like well fuck you my latest self-talk david both davids is uh i just say big life big life big life if if you try a career if you have children if you have marriages if you travel if you buy things if you make money you can lose money so big life up and down so you just accept it when problems come this is big life big problems and you know that's your own self-talk right to yourself and that that helps yeah um could i i'm interested in this because you seem so future all the time ask about that art stuff well the the robots have arrived.

42:12Dana Carvey:They're here. They're studying us. They're manipulating us. They're making everybody angry. And they're doing all kinds of things. And now they're in art. They're riding the hook. They're all over music. You don't have to write the music. You don't have to sing the music. You point to guys with AIs on computers, and then they put it together in a lab. And now in art, in visual art, recently an AI drew a painting. They put in all this information, and it won first prize at this art show and the real artists were really angry so it just seems to me the since you're always future future are you going to incorporate with ai or what are your thoughts about that integrating with art oh sorry sorry oh yeah it's his favorite things meeting together okay oh no i to be honest no i haven't thought about doing that um and i've yeah i remember reading about that seeing the picture and thought oh picture's kind of nice picture's kind of nice I saw it.

43:08Yeah. It's not, not exactly what I would do, you know, but okay. That's nothing wrong with that. I blame the guy buying it because, because I blame the person would buy that art or pay a lot of money for it because you don't want to make a market for that. It is. There is something about what art is about coming from someone. Is that the picture Dana? Well,

43:32Dana Carvey:just one I did recently could have a robot make that. No, that's good. Yes, I sort of doubt it. Yeah, I know what a four-year-old could. Someone was really bugging me. That's the person on top in the bubble, and I was on the bottom. And they were - I love it. Dana's got good art. That's real. I like that. No, it's just heartfelt. It's a cliche. I'm not the artist, but I do do it for my own processing of thoughts. But I doubt that a machine would do that. Yeah. That's the greatest thing anyone's ever said. Do you mind if I... David Byrne said a machine could not do my... No, I understand what you're saying.

44:08Dana Carvey:And I agree with you. I don't like it. I still think the human soul or the human brain can create stuff. And I think... Well, I was reading your exit essay after American Utopia and about... You find out later, and it doesn't sound pretentious, but you find out later kind of what you were writing about commonly in your writing and in your art. that you're kind of doing it spontaneously from some place and it may be not literal. And then a year later or whatever, you kind of figure out what it was. And I was interested at the very end, you said American utopia. It's not ironic. Yes. Which is kind of a surprise coming from me because some of my material is ironic.

44:52Yes. But in this case, I thought, no, no, no, no. I want to really hold out some kind of either visually or in the songs and in the way we present it, the whole attitude, what I say. I want to hold out some kind of hope that all the things that we wish we could be and what we could be as a country and all that, that they're not all entirely out of reach.

45:19Dana Carvey:We do have possibilities. Well, for me, I just read history and then I feel better. You know, right when the pandemic hit, you know, I read a book, The Splendid and the Vial. It was a brilliant book, but it was a new one about Churchill and the Blitz in London. And, you know, it just helped calm me down to read about the plague or the Middle Ages. And it gives you perspective. I've seen people on an iPhone with a latte going, is this the worst time to be alive? you know and they there was no medicine until like maybe 50 years ago you have a heart attack they'd shake your hand and give you a baby aspern see you later now they can put all this stuff in you so you're kind of on this this wavelength because you have this uh reason to be cheerful online thing you're on this sort of happy cheerful you know if american utopia means it's possible that's very up message yes yes reasons the reason to be what are the reasons to be cheerful david burn well uh wow we we report on a lot of stuff uh i haven't done a lot of writing for them recently but we have a group of writers they look for places around the world where people have found solutions to like yeah if some place in italy where the the sea was getting overfished and they kind of the the fisher fish communities the fishermen communities they get together and them go okay we're going to manage this because we know if we overfish this we're all screwed we don't that's our livelihood so we have to kind of manage it and they kind of figure out a way to do that a way to kind of look out for people who were kind of uh breaking the rules or whatever and sure enough the fish come back and their their catch increases and so they end up making more money than they did before um you know happy ending good news is not reported yeah go ahead yeah it's nice to hear that stuff yeah we're biased towards bad news we like to hear bad news scary stuff feeds part of our brain right somehow yeah it's part of our brain we like to be aware of what uh what kind of lions and tigers are looming around the corner as opposed to the nice stuff so it's a little bit of an uphill battle but it but you know this stuff is happening i'm surprised at how how much of it the writers are finding um you're right i mean it's probably an old standup bit, but there's never a newsflash breaking news.

47:47Dana Carvey:200 million people are relatively happy in North America. It's always going to be death and pain. And I get it on, I'll go down the rabbit hole a little bit in the morning and I go to myself, I said, I'm being hypnotized into darkness because whatever is bad with a robot stirring it is going to be presented 10 times as bad. And it's a trap to be unhappy your whole life. Because I know tribal people, we don't really talk politics here, but they're in both camps and they're both just so angry. And I'm like, what good is this doing right now? All this fury. But you're right. What part of the brain is that feeding?

48:29Dana Carvey:Is some primal part of our hypothalamus? it seems like it is it's some sort of primal part that obviously evolved for for something really useful to us war to to yeah to be aware that what's that what's that moving in the jungle what's that moving fight or flight yeah yeah yeah uh i'd rather if i run away it might not be anything but if i run away i'm going to be all right but if i stay and wait to find out i might be dead. So better to run away. Better to be fearful and suspicious than to just kind of sit it out and go, well, let's wait and see what it is. And it's a bioevolutionary, it's a Darwinian proposition because the people didn't run away, didn't live long enough to have kids.

49:15Dana Carvey:So we're predisposed, all of us to be a little kind of jumpy because the ones who weren't are dead. Exactly. Yeah. And the algorithms on all the stuff kind of feed on that, can feed on our propensity. Yeah, COVID was a real boon for them because it was like the first case got to America and they're like projecting 10 million dead. I go, well, someone just sneezed. That's it. One guy tested positive. We don't even know what's going on. They're like, no, no, right now you better make funeral arrangements. I'm like, so it's like that where it's like a half truth or there's a piece of a truth where they can run with it and they run hard with it and they don't run the other way it's always could be worse might get worse probably worse instead of like hey this we might pull out of this and that's a tough one to live with every day and that was that was hard especially during covid because nothing else is really happening in your life except bad news on the tv 24 hours a day it's tough yeah you could just dig really deep into that there's not much else to do yeah when you're uh out you're on tour yes david Are the audiences back?

50:23You know, they are. And they're excited. And it seems like they want to laugh. And they don't really want it super PC. They seem to appreciate that if you're a comedian, the ones that come out to the clubs that aren't on Twitter 24 hours a day complaining about it. There are some people that just say, just go do it. We'll decide if we like it or not. But give it to us. And if we don't like it, we'll boo. And that's part of the fun or we'll not laugh, but as a comedian is sort of an art also. And you want to say whatever you want. And that's usually how it was working for a long, long time. And then people are being scared to get canceled and they don't want to say the wrong thing.

51:06So we don't want the world to turn into the eight. Everyone's telling the same eight jokes that are approved by America. You know, and that's what happens. You go, okay, I walked out and everyone was happy. They never know. People go, it wasn't funny, but I didn't get mad. Thank God. And you go, well, you got to sort of crack some eggs here. Yeah, you got to. I don't get mad. I never try to get complained comedians when they're not funny or they do something too far. I'm like, I would say they probably won't do that again or they might tweak it. But it's not my place to tell them to complain about and say, get off stage.

51:41It's stupid to me. Yeah. And I've been to shows where somebody's done some stuff where I go, oh, I crossed a line, just across the line right there. But the rest of the show was really great. And I remember I've been to some shows where I had to put my phone in the bag. I have no problem with it. But do you go to comedy shows, David, or music? Every once in a while.

52:11Dana Carvey:I love it. Oh, I want to see you sitting in the back one day. That'd be awesome. I'd be nervous. I'd bring up this podcast. No, I'm there to laugh and have a good time. I think your original idea, David Burr, was that, yes, we've run into a little roadblock now with Ukraine and the economy. But there was a period, a short period post-COVID where the Roaring Twenties had it after the Spanish flu. Let's dance and get drunk because this could go away. So I think there was a gusher of ticket sales initially to artists. And then it went away. Well, now we're not having a warring. We're having all this other stuff again right now.

52:51Dana Carvey:And COVID, who knew, as Dr. Fauci would say, who knew there was so many mutations? I didn't know. I thought you'd be dancing in the street. But for me personally, being someone who does impressions as part of what I do, political comedy is the hottest oven of all, of balancing that balancing act because you've got you know there's tribal and stuff but you know i try to do biden and i do trump but it's a delicate dance i'm mostly want to have my true north star to be funny but have you found that in any of your work now you're doing art exhibits at pace gallery trees and things which are awesome on gigantic walls that are beautiful um so where are you on the political spectrum can you uh who are you voting i'm john don't go there no but do you do you bring it into your are are you careful about anything when you're out there do you stay away from things wow uh when i was doing american utopia there was yeah i would do some talking stuff sometimes about issues and things in between some of the songs and a lot of those were kind of political although i made a point never to endorse a politician or a particular party right i tried to keep it bipartisan and to just talk about issues that's smart i talk about getting people to vote and can we talk about that can i the challenge was can you figure out a way to talk about that and it's funny yeah that's true if it's funny then it doesn't come off uh as a teacher you know yeah or condescending yeah yeah yes can i get some information across but in a way that's funny um yeah and sometimes that took a little bit of trial and error they see let's see where the yeah where the laughs are and how people react to that yeah so you're kind of a comedian in a way when you're out there you you do you have a monologue there's room for that right yeah oh yeah yeah yeah i'm i wouldn't say i'm a comedian but i'm learning um to some of the challenges that you all face you know people like a little levity and when they're out and having fun and they already like you.

54:59I mean, that's half the battle of being comics. So they like you, they're there to see you. And in between songs, I think we asked McCartney, was that like a nerve, it's a nervous thing to, he tries stuff. He goes, I'm going to say something here. And sometimes it turns into just part of the show because if something works, he locks it in, you know? Exactly. And that's great because the shows are so big. It's like hard to mess around with it but yeah there is a little room that must be fun or one night go uh i'm gonna say this at this part and it's something to think about yeah or something's happening in the news and you feel like yeah you want to acknowledge not pretend like it didn't happen but uh not turn the whole show

55:40Dana Carvey:into being about that yeah it is it's a delicate dance so what's um david yeah i have something and we'll let him go. I only have like 500 questions, but that's for, you know, I just, I just researched you and you kept doing so much stuff. You can't stop. My computer goes, all right, give me a break. The dingbat drawings, the tree drawings, the stuff during the pandemic. It's just, it goes on and on artistically. You're just, you're going, you're ping ponging in all these different areas. It seems. I'm very lucky and I'm having a good time. I'm, I'm lucky that, that, that in a way, people accept that I can try these different things.

56:19Yeah. They don't always work, but people kind of allow me to try that stuff. Well, you look 30 years old. I mean, it's like you have drive. And if you still have drive, that's really the whole trick. You still like it. And I'm scared. One day when I was, when I'm writing jokes and scribbling stuff and going, and if it gets hard, I go, well, what if one day I don't want to do this? You know, I don't have that in me anymore. And that's what you don't want. You know, you always want to still, it's fun to still. do that stuff. I just don't want that fun to go away. So I think it's nice that you still think of a germ of an idea and go, there's really no limits.

56:53It doesn't have to be this.

56:54Dana Carvey:Yeah, because you could be out there now with just bald face, talking, the Talking Heads review show, and just playing all your hits. You could. And people would pay a lot of money for that. Of course. Yeah, I've gotten offers for that, but at the same time, I know that you're not going to be happy. You're not going to be happy there. It's a Faustian deal. Is that part of the equation too now? Being happy? Oh, I hope so. Yeah. No, you're right though, but a lot of people don't think that way. They think they get scared and they move it out of fear. I get it. I mean, of course it would make sense if you went out with that again, but there also is, you've got other things you want to do and it makes it seem more fun to do that.

57:37Dana Carvey:I think you started, you were yourself from the beginning and you never fell into that trap. And I think it's done you well. It's probably why you look so young and fresh. And, you know, what do you get? I mean, how big a couch can you buy? You need 20 bicycles. I mean, there's a level to money where it's we all. I love my health care and I would wish it on everyone in the world. That's my most prized possession. But I don't live in a giant place. I have one car, one wife. So he lives in a dump, David. I, I just everything you own owns you back. and i just true it's true i realized yeah at some point okay i got enough bicycles uh yeah i don't my apartment's big enough i'm fine yeah well that makes you rich in reverse you know exactly yeah that also gives me the opportunity to try things that might fail yes you don't have to you don't have to make 400 000 net every month i just put out a specific number in order to make ends to cover everybody that's pretty big uh yeah i'd be that'd be crazy if someone had that much no i'm not there no but it you know your expenses can creep up and then you can become a slave to them but i i do think i i'm so admiring and a little bit envious that you keep reinventing yourself and you never stay stagnant uh with me a lot of the characters i did on snl audience would like to see them and i push them out there to a point and it is a little you know and also in comedy you have to feed the beast.

59:08Dana Carvey:You can't come back to the same city the next year. You have to have a new hour. But I do think your path has been really fun to watch. I've been watching you a lot the last day and a half. Yeah. In my research. Thank you. This guy is having fun. He can't be cooler. I know that's not your quest, but so. It's good to be cool though. Well, it just means you're following your true North Star. I don't know if you had a lot of therapy early on. I finally got into therapy at 60, a little bit too late. But it seems like you had a sense of yourself and a confidence early on. I tried therapy for a while when I was having some relationship, marriage stuff.

59:48But other than that, I think my therapy is, yeah. Let's roll some video from that therapy session. Going for a bicycle ride or whatever. I think we've, thank you, David, for bearing with us. I know this isn't a typical sort of interview thing, but you're a lot of fun.

1:00:07Dana Carvey:It's been really a pleasure, David. Thank you. And you keep it up. If you happen to want to bring your Broadway show back, I would make my way to see it. I don't know if you're not the type to repeat, but the reviews on that, I'll just say they were off the charts. I mean, so I don't know if you have plans to bring it back, but don't do it for me is my only message. Don't mount. I did this for Dana. Dana wanted to see it. Do do it for me. It is on HBO live streaming right now, right? Isn't it? Yeah, it is. Right. So that's available for everybody. Let's do housekeeping at the very end. David Byrne, he's got albums out.

1:00:52Dana Carvey:He's got art shows. He's at the Pace Gallery, Trees. Yeah. Yeah, Pace Gallery in New York City. I'm going to be there soon. I'm going to check that out. He does Neurosociety. I can't. Anything you want to add? No, that's good. That's good. Fans can consume. All right. Well, good luck on your next podcast, David. Thank you. But this was a fun. I'm going to go buy some more bicycles. Bye, you guys. Great to meet you both. Be well. Thank you. Because he said you don't need more bicycles.

1:01:53What do you think?

1:01:54Dana Carvey:I'm going to tell you this right now. Hear me now, believe me later. Fly on the Wall, believe it or not, is presented by Odyssey. And executive produced by, hold for it, Dana Carvey and David Spade. Or David Spade and Dana Carvey. We don't write this stuff. Heather Santoro, Greg Holtzman, and Leah Reese Dennis. The show is edited by Evan Cox. With production support from Phil Sweet Tech. Talent production and booking by Sophia Lepore.