In short
Jay Mohr and Dana Carvey discuss re-released “Jury Duty” and its follow-up concept, “Jury Duty: Company Retreat,” then pivot into Jay Mohr’s SNL and comedy-writing stories—especially his time as a feature player, sketch development, and personal anecdotes.
Guest backgrounds
Jay Mohr is a former SNL cast member (joined 1991, left 1993) known for impressions and a comedy podcast. Dana Carvey is a comedian/actor and SNL alumnus (hosted and overlapped in the early 1990s).
Key claims
“Jury Duty” worked because it was a staged social experiment that felt authentic; moving it from courtroom to a corporate retreat raises stakes while staying relatable. Jay says SNL writing is hard to break into without “selling yourself,” and sketch momentum can be lost if jokes are cut or rewritten too late.
Notable examples
Anthony is a real temp at “Rockin’ Grandma’s Hot Sauce” (eventually sold on Amazon). Jay recalls wrestling Chris Farley in the SNL graphics room, pinning him by the elevator, and Farley’s “mummy walk” after a prank involving feces. He also recounts sketch politics (Al Franken shot lists, Lorne Michaels, rewrite table), and his “Psychic Friends Network” sketch getting cut and resubmitted.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOJury Duty Season Two Overview
0:45 to 2:13
Discussion about the new season of 'Jury Duty' set in a company retreat.
“And drops it into the most relatable setting ever.”
Jay Mohr's SNL Journey
2:13 to 3:23
Dana and David reminisce about their experiences with Jay Mohr and SNL.
“Jay Moore, Dana, was probably more for me being on SNL.”
Wrestling with Chris Farley
3:23 to 5:38
Jay shares a hilarious story of a wrestling match with Chris Farley.
“Are you a Churchley fan or are you more of a Garth guy?”
Farley's Signature Antics
5:38 to 8:01
The hosts discuss Chris Farley's outrageous behavior and pranks.
“By the way, first of all, it was all Fred's fault.”
Life at SNL: Downey and the Writers Room
8:01 to 14:01
Dana and David reminisce about their time in the SNL writers room and their interactions with Robert Downey Jr.
“And everyone's sitting at the giant table.”
Inside the Writer's Room
14:01 to 16:46
Explore the chaotic and fun dynamics of a late-night writer's room.
“Or was that a – or we don't talk about it.”
Crafting Sketches and Characters
16:47 to 19:24
Learn about the process of creating sketches and the challenges faced.
“I think it was like Good Morning Brooklyn or something.”
Navigating SNL as a Newcomer
19:25 to 21:56
Discover the struggles and strategies of adapting to SNL as a new cast member.
“And then another week comes by and another week and if you're not getting stuff on, you start to lose your mind.”
The Role of Impressions in Comedy
21:57 to 24:28
Understand how impressions play a vital role in comedy, especially on SNL.
“That was his wife saying, I almost just punched you in the face.”
The Importance of Selling Yourself
24:29 to 27:20
Learn why promoting oneself is crucial in the competitive world of comedy.
“We tell a couple stories and then we'll do like speed around which is mostly cartoons.”
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Navigating the Comedy Scene
28:05 to 29:04
Learn about the challenges of getting noticed in comedy and the importance of self-promotion.
The Struggles of Sketch Writing
29:04 to 30:27
Discover the difficulties writers face when their sketches don't make the cut, including resubmission woes.
“no sketches on for so long i remember me and steve looked at christopher walken as a waiter at Fridays and that was the whole sketch.”
Creating Memorable Sketches
30:27 to 32:48
Explore the creative process behind sketch writing, including character ideas and execution challenges.
“But like, I didn't know what the fuck I was doing.”
Challenges of Early Career Writing
32:48 to 33:54
Understand the hurdles of being a new writer in a high-pressure environment without modern tools.
“Looking where to, I didn't know where to hand it in.”
Collaborative Comedy Dynamics
33:54 to 36:48
Learn how collaboration impacts comedy writing and the importance of input from various writers.
“All the guys are hitting a button on their computer and the sketch goes to the magic sketch place.”
Lessons from Legendary Comedians
36:48 to 39:16
Discover humorous insights and lessons learned from interactions with legendary comedians.
“And the guy in the box goes, will that be all?”
Marriage and Maturity in Comedy
39:16 to 42:00
Discuss the evolution of relationships and the impact of maturity on marriage choices later in life.
“He talked about the Indian-British War in 1740 for like an hour.”
Episode Discussion
42:00 to 56:00
“By the way, when you look up research on you, it says what Jay's favorite songs are.”
Early Career Insights
56:00 to 56:40
Jay Mohr shares his experiences of getting into the comedy club scene and early television work.
“But once I got into a club, a real club, not a honky tonk bar, like the other cafe and the hate, I started to progress just because of the environment.”
Flying with Lorenzo Lamas
56:40 to 57:50
Jay recounts a memorable helicopter ride piloted by actor Lorenzo Lamas.
“At Van Nuys Airport, they're like, this is your pilot.”
Auditioning for Jerry Maguire
57:50 to 58:30
Discussion about auditioning for the role of Bob Sugar in 'Jerry Maguire'.
“And somewhere over like the desert, he goes, Do you mind if we stop for gas?”
Impressions and Comedy
58:30 to 59:20
The hosts share various impressions and comedic anecdotes about other actors.
“So by the time that, I don't know about you, but hey, Owen.”
David's Classic Stories
59:20 to 1:01:00
Jay and David share humorous stories from their past, including a memorable strip club encounter.
“I go, did he like moving in with his girlfriend?”
Farley and Iconic Moments
1:01:00 to 1:02:50
Nostalgic discussion about Chris Farley and memorable SNL moments.
“Yeah, I understand that a crib is your house and your bed.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00i just have to tell you data there's something i'm excited about now you remember we talked about jury duty the show season one and that one I saw it on TikTok and then it was kind of a word of mouth thing it blew up it was funny and it actually all pulled together which I was shocked they pulled that thing together and I was like will they do it again and they did cool I think that's very cool it was set in courtroom the first time and this is going to be a company retreat Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Jury duty presents company retreat. It takes this groundbreaking social experiment out of the courthouse.
0:45Stay with me, Dana. I got it. And drops it into the most relatable setting ever. Oh, yeah. Company corporate retreat. And if you've ever survived that awkward team building exercises or a trust fall with coworkers, you know the vibe. Yeah. I mean, this is an inspired idea, I got to say, after jury duty to put it in a company retreat. This season follows Anthony, a real temp hired by Rockin' Grandma's Hot Sauce for their annual retreat. Right there, they should figure it out, Rockin' Grandma's Hot Sauce. Yeah, I know. Except he has no idea the entire thing is staged around him. It's a workplace comedy meets hidden camera.
1:25And it's unpredictable. It's authentic. It's so full of heart. The stakes are higher. The laughs are bigger. And it still celebrates the goodness in people. here's the wild part rocking grandma's hot sauce they're actually making it okay and the flavors will be available on amazon oh my god i wonder if they started that first or if they they just made up that name and then it sounded funny and it's going to get a lot of attention but you know this thing i'm kind of glad they didn't do it in the courtroom again because someone would figure that out i would think oh i don't think they could do it in the courtroom i think the company retreat is It's the next best one.
2:05It's hard to think of where to do it, but they did a good job. So I'm looking forward to that. Me too. Watch now on Prime Video. Jay Moore, Dana, was probably more for me being on SNL. But did you overlap at all? He was there when I hosted. But he wasn't there when I was part of the cast. Jay Moore, he came on when I was there. We got to be friends. I still see him here and there. He has a funny podcast, talks a lot of old stories, and throws us his impressions. He does good impressions, which you probably remember. He does a really good walking. That was the last time I saw him do. But he has a lot of people, and he can really imitate well.
2:47But he is a funny dude. We sat down with him, and we had a blast. The guy is funny. He's always been funny. He had sort of a really up-and-down time on SNL. And he tells those stories. It's always interesting, you know. But I always tell people, everyone who's ever been on SNL will spend a lot more time being an ex-SNL person. That's true. Everybody, except for Kenan. But that's all right. So far. Daryl Hammond, Kenan, most of their life was on SNL. Good for them. Anyway, Jay Moore, this is entertaining. Please listen.
3:30When did you come on? 91. 91? I was there till 93. Wait, do you know who Dana is? Which one? Are you a Churchley fan or are you more of a Garth guy? Are you Coffee Machine fan? You're Dana? No, it's about you. It's in our contract. I had to grow this so we look even worse. I was not on Saturday Night Live with you, Dana. But we both were there in 92, so there's a little bit of a problem. When you and I were there, David, was Dana there also? No. I came in with Sarah and Norm and Dave Attell Did you do it with Sarah and Norm and Dave Attell? No, that was later So you weren't there in 92 because that's when I was doing Was Wayne's World happening all the time?
4:12What's Wayne's World? Let's back up So you missed it by That much I missed it just by a little bit But I remember being there once where Franken and Chris Farley were going to fight Frank and Chris Farley were gonna wrestle and I remember you hanging around and I remember oh Jay you know like you were like I could take both you guys kind of like you were gonna there was a three so I don't know if you ever wrestled I do remember that now and I also remember David and I still would call you David Spade and Fred Wolf were in the graphics room I knew Fred Wolf would come up immediately he's the best you're really funny you're not so funny that's really good I'm just kidding for the six shooters up here that was really good really good I've told you a story but I'm going to talk to you for one second I'm going to talk to you and I don't have a question for you I just remember a waiter coming over going get the fuck out of here he's in the middle of a punchline and the waiter would walk up he goes get the fuck out of here get the fuck out of here because they always come on the punchline get the fuck out of here I was pretty good right but I wasn't as funny as you guys so Spade and Fred Wolf are in the graphics room and I walk in to see what they're doing then Farley walks in and then Fred just Fred's like the master manipulator like hey Chris you know Jay wrestled you wrestled Jay says he could kick your ass at wrestling and I'm like yeah I'm 23 years old I'm like absolutely and Chris is just like yeah alright so we square up to wrestle this was in the writers room no this was in the graphics room oh okay on the way to Lauren's office and it was just you and Fred were just doing private time or something some graphics, what happened?
6:00so I made the mistake of shooting in on Chris's legs and he just collapsed on top of me and then I went to my stomach and I brought my elbows in and Chris for the next six minutes sat on my back going and you couldn't get out no I thought my life was going to end and I was trying to say Chris, you're trying to break my back. And after six minutes, David saved me. He goes, get the fuck off. Come on, Chris. Let the guy live. Cheers, Davey. By the way, first of all, it was all Fred's fault. Oh, yeah. Bang. Okay, Jay is doing miming Chris Farley's little running thing. His heart attack thing where he always hits his, he goes, Son of a.
6:45I have a, are you supposed to have a tingling feeling in your left arm? It's going numb. Yeah, yeah. So what about when he walked you to the elevator? Wasn't he mad about that? Oh, I pinned him. Yeah. So the rematch was, it was Dana Carvey. Dana Carvey. It was, wow. I was the referee. I was reading your name right there. It was Alec Baldwin. I get you guys confused all the time. Me and Alec, we know. It's just a thing. It was Alec Baldwin and Kim Basinger were co-hosting. Oh, they were there mingling? Yeah. Okay. And my follow-up to that was like, it really like bugged me. Because I was like, as the days - Well, can I ask for a second?
7:22How good were you at wrestling? You're a good wrestler. I'm much better as an adult than I was as a kid. What was the weight when you took on Farley? What was your weight? I was probably 160. Okay, so you were lean. Okay, so talk about how you pinned him by the elevator. How did you pin a 5 '6", 270-pound man? He was sitting on the couch. That's about what I figured he was at his prime. I'm glad you asked. Yeah. You get him right after he went to Wally and Joseph's and he had shells. Wally and Joseph's. He's taking a nap. That was our go-to restaurant in New York. He was sitting on the couch right inside the writer's room.
7:55And I walked in. I said, hey. I said something. I was like, hey, fat boy, you still want to go? And he went to get up. And everyone's sitting at the giant table. Fat boy, you still want to go? There's like 40 people going, why are you doing this? I was nuts. Untreated. Alcoholism. What are you doing? Untreated. Totally. And he went to get up. His mistake was, it's like never get in a fight, getting out of your car, you're dead. So he got caught in that limbo. Starting halfway up. And then where'd you go to? So I went, my right arm around his head and I just went bodied into him. And then we just were falling forward.
8:36And then I clasped my hands under his, like back of his knee. So we did like a somersault in the room. and I put my knee in his side and my forehead on his temple and I just, because I knew if I let him go, he'd kill me. Yeah, no way. So it's like, when you're fighting a bully, I don't want to let him go because he'll beat me up in front of Alec Paulson and more importantly, Kim Fasinger. Jesus. Don't look, And so I let him go and everyone's staring at me like, what the fuck is this guy doing? So then I slap Chris's ass. I go, now we're even. And I get up and I'm walking to the night elevators.
9:15I don't know why I turn left instead of right. And I just hear this like running of the bulls behind me. And I turn and it's like the entire room has emptied out and they're walking towards me. But in front of them, Chris is walking like a zombie, like in a Scooby-Doo, like with the big leg. And his eyes are up in his head, like, and his palms are out. Terrifying. So I had that time to get to the elevator. I'm hitting the button I'm hitting the button the night elevator opens and it's filled with people from the rainbow room it's all in tuxedos it's just a wall of black tie and gowns just taffeta and fucking Ben Gay just all these so I went into the elevator and then Chris is walking towards the elevator now he's gonna kill me and there's gonna be collateral damage and I go look everybody that's Chris Farley and the whole elevator like on an episode of New Heart just goes and he goes and he just turned around and the elevator door closed you got so lucky I got seen and he fucking murdered me oh my god did he get that temper going but the only reason I lived is because he had to get the laugh even in that even in revenge instead of running at me and grabbing me once everybody was mobile he was like I remember I told Dane I said I remember I think Chris and Jay there was a wrestling situation and then Jay got the best of them and went into the elevator.
10:41I just wanted to be the elevator. I made him turn purple. Oh, he got the best of me. I just killed him. So you had skill. You had a lot of confidence. Well, I watch a lot of UFC, so I, you know. You've seen me on that. Well, I've seen guys that look like you. I don't know, but leverage a smaller person. He just, if it was, he was, the way he was getting up off the couch was just a godsend. I got really lucky and it just took my shot. Well, he was just obviously a big man. And he wasn't ready at all. He was quick. He was just like, hey. He's like, hey, Jay. He always went like punchline first. He's like, all right, young fella.
11:13Yeah. Hey, how are you? Hey, lady. Sorry. I remember when Dave Attell and I were in the office and Farley walked in at like 1 a.m. on a Thursday. It was just like, whoa. And he's like, what are you guys doing? And at the same time, like creepy twins, we said, we'll pay you$100 to shit out the window. Oh, you initiated that infamous thing? And he just went, oh, give me the money first. Give me the money first. And so he did this more than once. 17th floor. No, that time. We had to fill out a police report because they thought he was a jumper. So he opens the window. Does he take down his pants?
11:54I mean, and then he puts his ass out. Yeah. And it was obvious right away he didn't have to shit at all. Because he turned like purple from effort. He was just like. So nothing happened? No, like a one little thing. One hairy milk dud. Yeah. And hit Lorne Michaels, who was coming back from Orsos. With Paul McCartney. Excuse me, Paul. Do you have a napkin? Cancel the second song. He's got a little bit of feces on you. One of the feature players shit up. It fell in the window onto my desk. Oh. What? So you initiate it and you become the victim. Yeah. And then there was nothing to wipe his ass with.
12:35Well. So we wipe, I always leave this part of the story out out of respect, but you guys know how much, how we can't love anyone more. No. So he wiped his ass with his hands. His hand is the only option. People listening who don't, who think being on Saturday Night Live is a barrel of monkeys, you're right. And this is an example. Because when he would. Of how much fun it is. He would come to my office and go, yeah, I am getting a greasy trail, which I figured out later what it was. And he'd take my USA Today and go, give me a piece of that. And, you know, you can do the rest of that. So after he wiped his ass with his hand, he went back to that mummy walk.
13:13And he fucking chased us around the 17th floor with the shit on his hand. With the mummy walk and shit on his hand. And I'm running down the hallway past, like, research. And there's those bookshelves in the hallway. And me and David Dell are running side by side. And I'm like, we're not going to make this side by side. We got to go single file. Someone's going to. But I don't want to be in the back. And Dave, like, I'm like two years removed from competitive wrestling. And Dave Attell, a chain-smoking, miserable guy, just passes me. Oh, yeah. Like he's on a jet ski. And I hit the bookcase. My shoulder, like, pops out.
13:53And I'm just laying on my back. And Chris, for, like, minutes, is just standing on me going. Oh, with that. Didn't you have that broomstick, though? Or was that a – or we don't talk about it. Yeah, that was – of it. We don't talk about it. Oh, that's even more. Okay, yeah. Well, the writer's room was a very fun, late night, chaotic place. And we're, even Downey, everyone's looking for any reason not to write.
14:19The first sketch I ever handed Downey, I didn't know, like, he slept there. He was going through some shit. Yeah. And he just wanted us around, like, in the loneliest hours between 3 and 6 a.m. So, remember he'd make us watch like Joliet high school basketball like look at this look at the ball movement oh you were out by then he did like to talk about like if I ever got in that Downey's office which all we want to do is get Downey's expertise and he was you know he's been there for 20 years so when we get in there he goes Spade what is going on in Arizona and then I would go through all that but I'm trying to go through my progression so I can get to my horrible sketch that he's not gonna like and uh I would talk and talk and just talk and we would just talk and schneider let me in i'm next too much time so two in the morning you leave and then schneider goes in and then but poor jim that's what he had to do is just take okay ideas one time he did say something smart he goes well he always said something smart yeah but he said something that i remembered where he goes there's times when you're gonna give me an idea and i'm just gonna say i don't think you should write it and i can't really tell you why i just know it probably won't get on and i can't even articulate it's just not right and i said okay fair enough and sometimes i would do it and he goes i don't think that's the one and i'd be like this is one of the guys that decides so why go through the motions of writing unless it's going to be so primo he has to overturn his opinion but he just goes and that's hard to do it's hard to tell someone not to write something the first sketch i ever handed him was the christopher walken psychic friends network that one that had to have gotten on didn't it get on eventually and um but I was you know I didn't see him till like 9 a.m.
15:58oh and I finished it at like midnight so you stayed the whole night on the couch and this and then he they go oh you can go I think it was Laurie Jogos you can go see him and then he's sitting on his fucking little couch brushing his teeth it's like a face of foam yeah and he goes let me see it and I go hey and I hand it to him and he puts his palm out like this and I put the sketch in his palm and he goes yeah it feels a little long. He just waited out and then handed it back to you? He was right, though. Oh, my God. It was a heavy sketch. Yeah. It was long. I'd get there and sometimes there was a Franken or maybe, was it Rosie Shuster?
16:33They would be like Rosie Shuster. 18 pages in a read-through. Now, read it. Who is that? Which one's Franken? Oh, Franken. Okay. I remember I had Franken somehow in like some sketch that was gonna get on. I think it was like Good Morning Brooklyn or something. It was going to get on. Like it was just the vibe was there. And I had Franken and no psychic friends. It was the walk-in sketch. And Schneider goes, you got to switch out. No, you got to switch out Franken. You can't. And I go, no, this is funny because he's like the guy. And he goes, no, don't put Franken in your sketch. And I go, why not?
17:09He goes, follow me. And we walked out of the office around the corner down the hallway. And there's, you know, the framed photos. And it's when they were having the white sale with slaves, with Belushi. and I guess Bill Murray and then the third one is Franken and they're just standing there like whatever and Franken's like like all puffed up chest he goes that's why because he's overacting that's why Schneider's an old soul Schneider is Schneider will tell you what's on his mind no you don't want him you're a fucking rookie what do you know you don't know what you're doing they're poisoning our water well he can also note you in your own sketch you know no he's great because he was one of the ones that got the pick sketches so yeah that was I mean I'm talking Frank and like he would he would you know if he's in it he's also a writer and he's also one of the producers that picks sketches so he has a lot of control of your own sketch which might that rub you wrong is the Game of Thrones of SNL partnering with someone even if you go into the room and you go I kind of have an idea it'd be like your psychic walk and and then let them start the ball rolling oh that's great that's great so they get proprietary so when Lauren is there anyone walking psychic they're involved they yeah see I didn't know any of that oh yeah I think when Jay started I don't know if I knew you did I know you ahead of time or I just knew you there no okay so I think we all had trouble when we got there me everybody I had a lot because I couldn't quite like this dope that was better than me this guy Dana so when I got there David's always there when I got there he was like my protege I was the longest feature player Rob went first Sandler went first Farley they all they all went to cast and so I stayed an extra year in the uh on the bench kind of and I remember when I think you came on it was like kind of tough and maybe I try to tell you and at the beginning in my recollection you were like you know I know it's hard I know how it is but the truth was you can't even be prepared it's like you know it and you get there and you go well my sketch was funny what's going on and then it just that's exactly what happened to me How did you get on?
19:16You start to go, how do you, and then after three weeks of that, like I gave my best sketch the first week and it almost got on. And then after that, it was a lot tougher because that was the one I worked on. I go, this has to work. And then another week comes by and another week and if you're not getting stuff on, you start to lose your mind. Well, let me ask both of you guys a question. I mean, the first year I kind of harvested or adapted stuff that worked for me in clubs a lot of the time. You know, so I'm wondering what were your killer bits when you got it? and you too, Jay, like how you got the show.
19:46I mean, your walk-in is right up there. I'm more of a mimic. So I didn't have, like you have, you're really great, Dana, at like your original characters. But I'm just doing an impression of a person I met kind of. It's a close. But it's still an original thing. Like I'm just mimicking. And I remember when Jim Downey said, you know, go to the guy's, you know, go around to the other guy's offices and just do impressions. Let them know what you, and I was like so offended. I'm not gonna be a door-to-door seller. I'm a fucking clown. But that's exactly what I should have done. If I could have done it over again, I would have just walked into your office and been like - I wrote a list out of every one that I did.
20:23Really? And just passed it all around. Yeah, my narcissist was too. Who were you doing at that point? Since mid 90s. Who'd you come in with? You've been in clubs for a few years. Like, you know, the hacky shit, like Pesci. Nothing's hacky, sure. Pesci, De Niro, Andrew McCarthy. Was that - Oh yeah, yeah. I think you did. From what movie? It's a lot of eyes, too. We did it. I love her, man. Oh, yeah. We did it with Phil on Sassy when he had that talk show. Oh, Sassy, yeah. We were just talking about Sassy. Oh, yeah. That was with Phil Hartman. See, that's funny. Like, if people, if it's not accurate for me, like, that's just funny.
20:58I love her so much. I love her, man. It's just a funny, written, funny attitude. And then you just say, that's Andrew McCarthy. Yeah, and it works because if you have one move, the eyes, the voice is close enough, you get your laugh. That's all you need, really. in those sketches. And I did a bunch of black characters, like Arsenio and Tracy, but he wasn't famous yet. Glad it was 1995. Cripple pussy, stay wet. So you're doing crippled pussy? Yeah, that's why I got these wheelchair gloves, David Spade. And this was seeing him in the clubs. He wasn't on SNL? Yeah, I went to go see him at the improv.
21:33I went to go see him at the improv. And I walked into the improv and he's fist fighting the audience in the hallway before they redid it. And I go to help him. It was like 80 against one. And he's just like, yeah, I miss my daughter, goddammit. And then I go to help him in the fight, and he turns to punch me in the face. And his fist stops right at my face. And he stops, and he goes, I'm not going to fuck with you, Jay Moore. You legendary. That was his wife saying, I almost just punched you in the face. I put a baby in you, Jay. Yeah, Jay Moore got me boy pregnant. I like when Tracy does observational humor but it's only observational to Tracy he's on stage like Oxnard who else remembers finger fucking Portuguese girls on the handball courts you know what I'm talking about you know what I'm talking about old white people with turquoise they all have like turquoise jewelry on they're all like earthy Santa Fe you know them Portuguese girls been giving up the pussy on their handball courts Well, Tracy, we're not going to have you back.
22:39Oh, okay.
22:42I fucking love him so much. That's so fucking funny. Daryl Hammett tells a story of Tracy was Daryl's savior. Daryl was struggling and Tracy goes, we got to go give respect to the man. This is the streets, Daryl. He's got to go. We have to have our meeting with Lauren. just let them know we're soldiers oh okay and so they wait they wait for like two hours five hours yeah and they finally get in and Lauren's like I have a seat guys hold on a second hello Mick it's like Mick Jagger calls they're sitting in those big fucking chairs you're waiting and he's like one second hello Mick how's the tour and then they start talking and Dick Cheney's office calls Dick Cheney Jagger and then Cheney they're just getting more emasculated so it's like eight minutes total and then he goes alright thanks and they go outside the office and Tracy looks at Daryl and goes there ain't no eye rolling in that motherfucker D and that meant like we're in the big leagues there ain't no eye rolling in that motherfucker D yeah so did you did you partner up with with Daryl a little bit both two impressionists we've been doing shows oh really now right yeah oh good uh like just a night of impressions like he does 20 minutes i do 20 minutes do you have any overlappers is this the two of you we shut down the q a last year because it's like do uh the q a is like do schwarzenegger yeah it's like i don't do q a's are tough yeah we like to take all the variables out and then but we have a guy greg baldwin who's like the moderator he's like the james lipton and then we do you know we just go back and forth back and forth.
24:33We tell a couple stories and then we'll do like speed around which is mostly cartoons. That sounds great. That sounds like a great show. You like cartoons? Yeah. Who's your favorite Muppet? Kermit. Yeah, yeah. I just... I hold Kermit D. Frog. No, I like some other ones. Cookie Moss. Who's a homeless guy? Are you guessing? Or like who is your favorite Muppet? No, I don't. Are you guessing? I'm not a Muppet guy. I'd be... I'd be... I'm not a Muppet guy. Beaker. Beaker's tight. See? And his boss, Professor Honeydew. Is that the bald guy? Yeah, he had no eyes, but he had glasses. Muppets are killing you.
25:09I'm a Muppet guy. I'm old school. I like Bert. Oh, yeah, Bert and Ernie. What was the story with them? Everybody did. Yeah, one came out, right? Bert, everybody thinks Bert's an asshole, but Ernie just wore him down until he snapped. Bert just runs a tight ship. Yeah. Military guy. Navy guy. Yeah, Ernie was kind of a fuck around. it's a total navy guy make the bed nice and early they have to be a little opposite to make it work so going back to dana's question yes yeah i didn't really bring anything other than impressions in uh with me but then i kept my impressions like a secret and then i had resentments that nobody was dumbest thing you've ever done yeah which is again untreated because i mean you did all these movies and i see you like i got a question for you i'm jumping around i'm sorry is talking to.
26:00Oh, my co-host was asking you something. I was just saying you're more than an impressionist in your career, you know, sports commentator. That's not what I was going to say. Well, that's the thing with impressions too. When people go, how come you don't do impressions when you're on stage? It's not, to me, it's not standup. It's a whole different toolbox. Yeah. I feel like I'm kind of cheating. Like this isn't standup. I'm just doing these fucking voices. Well, it used to be, I would get teased a lot in San Francisco like Bobby Slate. Yeah, yeah, do a funny voice. Do a funny voice. You know, that's all you do.
26:27and then I walked into the Holy City to this little club one night and he's doing one of the Bowery Boys. That's like his big clothes. The Bowery Boys. Yeah, the Bowery Boys. Timely. Going back. Hang on. Yeah, it seems like it's a big advantage just to have impressions to go to, maybe not depend on, but to go to on that show. Only if people know that you have them. Didn't you just go around to office and go, hey, how about this? You guys think? They literally never found out you got this secret weapon. No, they found out. Like, you know, it would be like whatever movie was playing. Right. I would start quoting the movie because I just talk in movie quotes all the time anyway.
27:04So that's how I got Keitel on. Keitel. Look, I understand you're super fucking pissed.
27:15Harvey Keitel. I don't know what you think you know, but you're wrong. He's a good kid. Keitel, I never hear anyone do. Well, let's know you paid attention to the broadcast. we did it you were in the sketch no I know we did wow SNL secret what one was it where do you guys hide the cameras we're not filming this stupid thing that's why we couldn't afford it we didn't have to write describing what you're doing because we're stupid no my eye is fucked up I was going to tell you when you came in I don't know it's just I woke up my eye was red on the side so it looks like shit but I think it's not life threatening did you have characters when you came in or you know we did the thing where you like what you guys are saying about your stand-up mine was just stories and and stand-up and punchlines and just talking so i really wasn't loaded to go in there to go i think it's a good idea to go into the offices and say hey guys i can do this or hey if you ever need some but they you have to i'm wondering why does no one write for me but no one even knows who i am and they don't give a fuck and they've got 10 guys that are great right there to pick from so you almost have to go sell yourself which is what we both didn't do and I didn't have as much to offer like I was just like sort of sarcastic that might have been what they picked up just around the office or talking at the read-through table or at uh rewrites but you had some things that were useful like impressions and attitudes so I guess it would have been good for you to go to the smigel go to conan go to those guys whoever was still around jack handy probably wouldn't have written that much for either of us because he was writing his own stuff that was almost didn't need people well you want to have a reason you know what i mean to do the impression that's kind of organic those guys make a good right yeah rather than just a cavalcade of you know it was funny like the things that don't get on like when you're just swinging for the fences because you've had no sketches on for so long i remember me and steve looked at christopher walken as a waiter at Fridays and that was the whole sketch.
29:11Like, you should have a dessert. It's Mount Fudgeopolis. We would laugh like that. Oh, it's fucking hilarious. And then it goes to the table and it just takes a dump. Really? That's such a funny... It was funny, but it's just like, what is the sketch? The sketch is like, hey, I work here, right?
29:36I remember Andy Robin had a sketch. He wound up going on Seinfeld as a writer. But when he was on SNL, he had a sketch where people walk by each other in an office. And they go, how you doing? He goes, this week or something. They kept missing what they were saying. And they'd say the wrong answer. You know what I mean? Like he misheard him or something or something dumb. But it was just walk-by, the whole sketch, I think. And then he submitted it probably five times. And that is the hardest thing to do is if you're not getting on. And the second time you put a sketch in, I've done it, it's got a stink on it.
30:05No matter why it didn't get on the first time. Even if the host, it got cut after dress or it killed, but then it bumped with something. The second time just isn't as good. And it's just harder and harder to get something on. Did you resubmit things? You were saying you did. Yes, Psychic Friends Network. Because it got, it got cut. Why did it get cut? How did it get cut? It was first week with Charles Barkley in Nirvana when I did Barkley versus Barney. Oh, that's great. As the cold open. That's great. Which was just, I panicked. I was like, Barkley. But like, I didn't know what the fuck I was doing.
30:39And then I had to write it. And then. And you were Barney the dinosaur? No, no. Because there was commercials of Charles Barkley playing basketball against Godzilla for Nike at the time. So I was like, Barkley versus Barney. And I was like, oh, this is great. Okay, I'm in. And then we shot it at Hunter College. It was like the next morning, like 8 a.m. Thursday morning. And then when I get there, like Al Franken's just got like Video Village. And he's like, all right, he's got a shot list. Which in hindsight, thank God, because what am I? I was like, you guys play basketball. You beat up the guy in the Barney suit.
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31:15They had a stuntman in a Barney suit. Yeah. And I was like, it's a very unfair tug of war. guy that's been there eight days al franken the guy that's going to be a senator and um and the new guy yeah yeah and the big argument was he would he's he didn't at one point i had barkley kneeing just basketballs out the window and he just knees barney in the nuts and uh franken goes no we're not doing that and he's like you can't have barney knee and you can't have charles barkley knee and barney in the nuts you can't and that was like my only like thing where i dug in And then I was like, this has to be, and we wound up doing it, but it was, it was really bizarre.
31:55Was it in it? Yeah. Yeah. Got a lot. So the Psychic Friends Network, it was Nirvana and Barkley. No, sorry. It was the second week with the Shannon Doherty. Yeah. Oof. And Cypress Hill. What do you mean? Oof. Well, I'll tell you. So I had, so the conceit of the sketch is Christopher Walken's the last guy you want getting inside your head and helping you with psychic issues. It's like, you know, I can help you with romance. I could be in your garage waiting for you when you get home. Security. And so. That's a really good tone you have. And then we had other, like David was, you were Crispin Glover.
32:35Like, hey, I want to help you. It's all these celebrities that you don't want. And then we got away to a phone and the phone doesn't ring because everybody's freaked out. And he keeps going, why aren't you calling? and I had Shannon Doherty as Sean Young in the cat suit because the story at the time was like she showed up to Warner Brothers dressed as Catwoman because she wanted a part and she freaked everybody out and then Shannon Doherty like on Friday says I'm not comfortable making fun of Sean Young and it was like oh no this Pac-Man noise exactly that's what I was saying a sketch loses momentum for that and now you have to resubmit it oh I was fucking heated and then so I was well not on that show I thought my life was over and then it was week three errol smith and jeff goldblum and uh i was in the writer's room just just sulking just being a fucking baby and lauren comes in and goes how's uh how's the christopher walken sketch coming and i said i'm not gonna do it this week and he goes i think you have guilt and momentum on your side oh and i was like fucking Because I didn't have a computer.
33:43Oh, yeah. I was writing on yellow legal pad. Yellow pad, yeah. Looking where to, I didn't know where to hand it in. Like, I don't know where to hand it in a sketch. Yeah, Claire. Claire went home at fucking 10. It's 3 a.m. She's just trying to hand it to somebody. It was like Mad Men. All the guys are hitting a button on their computer and the sketch goes to the magic sketch place. I didn't have a computer. Oh, it sucked because you go in there, first of all, you write on legal pad. I go home at three in the morning, finish writing it. I have to take a cab back from the Upper West Side to hand it in to Claire and the Mad Men girls that are typing it.
34:10Yeah. and then I go back home and then I come back for read through so it wasn't like attachment send there was no laptop so it was fucking horrible remember that's how it was for you right yeah and I didn't know I knew nothing about writing a sketch I didn't know if you're in the sketch I don't know if I write David or do I write Crispin yeah like I just I still don't actually the basic the lowest common that's a good question I'm not sure I know right at this moment Oh, and back then, did we put...
34:45I just fucking... Did we put names of us? No, you put the name of the character. No, you put character. Yeah. Yeah. I remember, you know I saw yesterday Ian Maxton. And Dave Mandel. Remember when Norm knocked him out? Cold. You remember that? I think he scored a... I don't ever see Norm being violent. Say whatever you're about to say. Dave was... Why not? I don't know. Norm violent? I never saw Norm. I was always what? I don't want to say I was violent. He squirted it with water. By chance, you know. It was a cigarette thing. So Norm would smoke after the no smoking. Like this is, people don't understand.
35:20Like it used to be like you could smoke in buildings. It was like whatever. And then all of a sudden it was like, by the way, like you're not allowed to smoke in buildings anymore. So there was a grace period of people like, oh, that's right. I forgot. Or they didn't care. So Norm was on the same, where Farley got, where I tackled Farley. He was on that couch smoking. and Ian, Max, Don Graham, all six, ten of them walks in with his little faggy yogurt. He always had like yogurt. Excuse me? You mean gay, a festive yogurt. Happy. That was the name of it, was Happy Gay Yogurt. And he walks in with his yogurt and oats and Norm smoking and he had a plastic cup of water and he just looked at Norm and he threw the water on Norm and Norm just stood up, one punch, out.
36:03Norm was Deceptively a big guy You don't really think of it I mean he was sort of A beanpole in a way In the 90s He got thicker Big Do you remember when you guys Did the The crystal meth sketch Like you were like Tony Robbins The weight loss guy I think it was you and Fred And it was ride the snake Oh yeah ride the snake You know they show Basically you get people Hooked on meth To lose weight Yeah And on those commercials Where they'll show like An outline of a fat body And it says like After six weeks and it goes in a little bit. This one was like six hours. And it was like a skeleton. And so he's getting, so they had this thing of Farley at a drive-thru window, a pre-filmed piece.
36:41And he's like, let me have 14 cheeseburgers, 14 apple pies, 22 french fries, and three chocolate milkshakes. And the guy in the box goes, will that be all? And he goes, no, I'll also have. So we argued for two hours over what the back end of that order should be. Like he should just repeat the exact same order or like, no, make that diet coke or no give me three apple pies and for two hours you know it just goes around and around and norm was in the corner of the room like we did it was i think it was 3 30 in the morning at this point norm goes hey you know you guys have a chris at that drive-through window you know don't give me all these burgers you know and uh the guy in the box goes hey will Will that be all?
37:25And how about Chris says, yes.
37:30That's a great norm. That's an incredible norm. When they filmed it, Chris had like this look of incredible pride. The guy goes, will that be all? I remember his arms on the floor. He goes, yes. He was already working for him. Like he had different habits at this point in his crystal meth career. And crushed, right? I mean, I think he could get a laugh. Norm with one syllable. We were just a pack of dogs hunting in the wrong direction. And Norm's like, yes. Simplified it. Yeah. And we would go back and forth over many jokes like that. Like, how do you get out of the sketch? And if you're the writer of the sketch or if it's your sketch, you do get to pick.
38:11Like, you get a Downey throwing a joke in, a Smigel, a Franken. It's great. And you get to add. Like, when Rob did a copy machine and everyone's like, stings, stinging. you know everyone throwing anything and he you get the benefit of a room every sketch does not just rob's everyone that's fun down here i remember once it's like week three and he goes you know i got um i want to talk to you about comedy writing at some point and i was like oh yeah about what comedy comedy writing i was like great and so i was like hey you got time and he's like no not today it'll be like down the line me and you're gonna sit down i want to talk to you about comedy writing so it's my it was like week i don't know 17 yeah and he goes jay what are you doing he goes when are we gonna have that talk about comedy and i was like i'm ready and he goes come on in i go in his office and he goes you know what the three funniest words in comedy are i go no he goes full-blown aids full-blown aids and i go yeah he goes yeah all right thanks for coming by.
39:11And that was it. He set me up for four months. Set you up. Four months. And then he says - When are we going to have that talk? Full blown. We saw Downey this week. Really? And I haven't seen him forever. I had dinner with him last night. Yeah. He talked about the Indian-British War in 1740 for like an hour. Unbelievable. I love that stuff. This just in - Oh yeah. It's so fun to listen to him talk about American history. He'll go into a college library for hours in Yale or something. He's just - I love when he'd turn up on sketches or like, when Smigel would turn up on a sketch, I always feel like, ooh, somebody from the other side cracked through.
39:46Cracked through. It's hard to be a feature player. I think Odenkirk and Conan were feature players and they never got a fair shake to be in, especially when I was there. The only time I saw Conan on camera was that Get Handsome sketch when Mike Myers was doing it. Oh, right. Get Handsome. Handsome club or whatever. One of the guys in the audience like, I got handsome. Oh, yeah. That was probably for a Alec Baldwin type host too. How about the amount of rewrites when they're not needed? Like Mike Myers would just hand him these perfect sketches and you'd just sit in a room for eight hours and guys would just dissect his sketch.
40:17He's like, bro, it's just Mike. I know. Why are we doing it? It's perfect. If people at home don't know, the rewrite table, would it start at one on Thursday after read-through? Read-through is Wednesday. I mean, ideally. It starts around one, roughly, and it goes until about 4 a.m. So you're there. That's a long haul. And every sketch gets about two hours or something. It just gets monotonous. What was the name of the restaurant you mentioned? Wally and Joseph. I remember. I went there. I felt like a big shot when you're like, come on, we're going on. Oh, yeah. It's fun. Wally and Joseph's. And I, but I always felt, because you came in with like Timmy and like you said, like Adam and Rob.
40:52And so you guys were kind of a group. And then when I came in, anytime I was with you guys, I felt like a freshman hanging out with seniors. It's like you're in the conversation, but you're not real. But you weren't part of like the next group. You're sort of a tweener kind of, right? Yeah. Yeah, it was me, Sarah, Norm, and all the Harvard guys, like Steve Luckner, Lou Morton, Dave Mandel, and then Dave Attell also. There's so many Ivy League writers on SNL. I know. I know. Where'd you go to college? You know, no one's ever asked me that in my life. Really? Ever. That's the first. I used to do a joke about it.
41:29Nobody's ever asked me, where'd you go to college? It's just implied. Only considering the Harvard guys. This is New Jersey public school. San Francisco State, baby. 95 bucks a semester. Yeah? Oh, it's just a joke school. It's not Harvard, is it? No, I was a straight D student. Because there's no curriculum for stand-up comedy. Right. And so it's just like, what is this? We're adding letters. Like, what the fuck are we talking about? Yeah, we're just - Then you go, but like - So you just got in the clubs right out of high school then. Yeah, I started at 16, same as you. 16? I didn't start at 16.
41:58What did I say? You didn't let me finish. You said 20. He said 60. He said 20. Yeah, you didn't let me finish. I have another question for you. Ready? By the way, when you look up research on you, it says what Jay's favorite songs are. Really? Why? I think that was a Don Imus question. You got to give him your top five songs. All right, here, because it's out in the ether. What's the difference between whether you could talk about your first marriage versus your recent marriage? I mean, being a mature adult. Is it easier to be married later in life? Being a mature adult getting married as opposed to being young.
42:32Lauren said something wise every man should have three marriages minimum one in his 20s and 30s one in his 40s and the third in his 50s when he knows what he really wants and that's exactly how it went with me you had three did you have three? okay and Jeannie's the first I'm not even gonna say marriage because I don't want to put anybody on blast but like the first woman I've ever been with that just wasn't like depressed so it's like interesting like with her career and like her own like oh i'm gonna go look at i'm gonna go what'd you say i said there's some blast no no but i get it but you're younger i think you're on that the one i knew was an actress seemed like a great girl and that i think everyone just changes in life so you change maybe she changes maybe it's a great run and then it it just turns into something else where it doesn't work out i was the first one i just was never like in love yeah just sort of that's how it goes that's the progression of a relationship somebody you know when you're dating somebody and you're young and they go why don't we go steady and you're like you know because I'm from the 50s when are you going to wear my sweater my pin when are you going to do this when are we going to live together and you're like alright we'll live together I'm trying to call it alright we'll live together let's not you know cohabitate too long I digress and that is like that is a great calling we have to call these out he just did a brilliant call when are we going to get engaged when are you going to get married and the proposal was like, there's your ring.
44:00Are you happy? Like, that's actually how it went. Yeah. So that's not a good old man. So that, how long did that last? Six years. But I was on the show and she was in LA. So I was... Let me insert this. Did you ever hear Lauren say this? There's something about a man in his 40s and a woman in her 20s. They're both at the peak of their power. Did he say that? It's almost Dr. Evil. That was almost Jimmy Stewart. Yeah, they're both at the peak of their power. And the other quote, Have you heard this one? I said it on the podcast. Lauren, again, marriage is a prison that everyone's trying to escape into.
44:33You know who said that? Kris Jenner. Anyway. So the second marriage. How do you know what you said? Because I'm embarrassed. I was all fired up. I had Colin. Well, I wanted to call out that you're just. Jay is throwing in these subtle impressions. So give us a little. Wait, let me. I'll give you a second. What was the quote, though? Oh, yeah. Marriage. Marriage is a prison that everyone's trying to escape into. Well, I don't feel that way this time because I'm—you got to understand. Okay. All right. Let's break it down. As of today, I've been sober two years and six months. Oh, that's it. So I met Jeannie after my divorce where that—a divorce is the biggest hole in your soul because you get married because you're certain it's an impossibility that you're going to get divorced.
45:23That's why you get married. Like, oh, this is it. This is great. And then when that starts, when the panels kind of start coming off the space shuttle, it gets, you get nuts. Christy McAuliffe said the same thing. It feels to me like a marriage, the one thing a marriage can't survive is contempt. Yeah. Either from either side. Well, if you were not, if you were drinking or whatever. Well, what was your drug of choice? This time it was Adderall. Adderall? I went down. Oh, it helped me focus on getting - I think more people do that at all. So then you started taking it just to feel okay? After the divorce, it was like, well, shit.
46:02Like I want to, I just wanted to like feel something. I've always been a drug addict and an alcoholic. It wasn't like this one event made me this thing. Like I was an alcoholic and drug addict when I was born. And long before I ever picked up a drink, I've always needed more than anybody else in every capacity. And yeah, it's just a genetic brain chemistry. Everybody else has this like plan for living that I'm not aware of. and I always felt like on the outside looking in. Like if you and I were kids and I was at your house and we were on your couch watching TV, I would spend that entire time trying to convince you that we were having a good time on your couch watching TV.
46:35Like I was just needy. Desperation's got a very distinct scent and I stunk. Well, yeah, that's... And we all are having a fist fight in our head, either a lot or a little. Yeah. So I quit drinking 1998 and then I used drugs alcoholically. I'm a big pill guy. I love pills. So it was like Viking and Norco. And then when I stopped that a couple of times and then Adderall is the one that brought down the beast. And so that the divorce didn't make me use. I chose to go back to using drugs. Like I felt like I was, I like having a secret, like I'm getting away with something. So this is right when the pandemic was starting kind of?
47:11In the middle of the pandemic was fantastic. I was just snorting Adderall and I was paddleboarding and fishing for my paddleboard. I was just insane. I lived in Malibu on the water and I would just snort rails of Adderall. Did it make you lose a tremendous amount of weight? Oh yeah, I went into treatment at like 160. I just, I'll show you my before. You know, Adderall's big. I was having lunch with people about, only like a year ago and the guy goes, I wish I had my Adderall with me, I don't have one. And the waitress came out and he goes, do you have an Adderall? And she goes, yeah. Yeah. And I was like, does everyone have Adderall?
47:40He's like, yeah. I know people just take a decent amount and then write or do a project. Yeah. But then add addictions a whole nother. Well, it's hard to keep it in check, I'm sure. So I met Jeannie at the very beginning where it was like, it's fun, fun with problems, then it's problems. So she met me at the fun, and then it was fun with problems. I had a radio show and I interviewed her over the phone, and I imagined that there was like a vibe there over the phone. I'm like, all right, joining us now is Jeannie Buss on the hotline. And then I went to the Twitter DM. I asked her to do my podcast, and then I had left my house.
48:17I was staying at the Beverly Hills Hotel and when I went to the elevators to go get her when she walked out of the elevator it was just I was done like it was slow motion it was actually for me it was love at first sight so you talked to her on the phone or over in the radio and then you see her in person so the vibe is so strong just instant I mean I think it was one sided like you know she was I don't think she had love at first sight but I like I remember it was slow motion I remember like there was a green elevator door and that palm tree carpet I was like whoa and I just wanted to be with her all the time and then she's a happy person is kind of what you alluded to like that's that's very well I'm a happy person too like that's but you were coming right off the addiction at that yeah and it was like this person like I don't know it was just like it was a puzzle piece that had been missing from my big jigsaw puzzle my whole life I felt and um then my drug addiction got really bad and she was at my intervention which was at my an intervention being the worst surprise party you'll ever go to you like everybody you love is there and you're like hey oh no and then i thought she did the intervention so you know when you're angry pack you either never take your eyes off you either don't look at them at all yeah or you never take your eyes off them angry packing yeah so i was I was just angry packing for rehab and I never took my eyes off a genie.
49:42And then I got to rehab and all I had was socks. You did so badly. Yeah. And then, you know, so she stuck with me. She stuck with you. That's a big deal. Like I was a mess. Like I was a mess. If the world was fair, like we definitely wouldn't be together. I would have lost that prize. And we got married last week. It's eight days today. Any SNL people? No. they're gross there's only 20 people yeah I guess the odds aren't in our favor David I need you to pick the energy up a little bit this is how most high energy has ever been NPR we're no you're talking about something nice I'm trying to shut the fuck up for a second it's hard it's very hard every morning I go through my chicken breakfast sandwich checklist my breakfast sandwich has to deliver great value deliciousness and lots of variety McDonald's checks all my boxes like that savory McChicken Biscuit for just$2.49?
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51:43So now this marriage is like none other. Nothing against the first two wives. No, I think it's also like you know it's your last. Yeah. It's like I'm 53. Mm-hmm. And it's when you've been so humbled and demoralized and you've come completely undone and then you've brick by brick and stone by stone built yourself back up into a human being that you've been meant to be the whole time. And that person's waiting for you at the end of that journey. I mean, that's who else would you want to spend the rest of the life? What's your coping mechanisms when you feel bad? If it's not Adderall or whatever.
52:27I'm a weird guy. Like I don't really feel bad. Do you meditate? Do you take a hike? Yeah, every day. I don't really feel bad though. I'm one of those weird, I'm wired weird. Like I'm - For an addict, usually it's some anxiety. Or a comic even. Like I just wake up kind of fired up. I always know. You need to be up peace. Yeah, I'm a happy dude. Yeah. Like I've always been that way. I don't know. It's just sometimes it's just the way your hard drive is installed. I think so. It feels like it's a thermostat that you get at birth. Yeah. Because even if I was on the cover of Rolling Stone or something, I felt I was always in this certain range on a one to ten, maybe six or a seven.
52:57Not happy to go lucky, but it stayed kind of consistent. Yeah. And in addiction, it goes the other way, whereas it just becomes this mania. Like, you know, also when I was in my addiction, I was diagnosed manic depressive. I was diagnosed bipolar. and then I work a program and I go through 12 steps for a program that might be anonymous. And then that became, now I have like this monotheism for all of my problems. Like every single problem in my life, it can be remedied by the program. So is there not, no one suggesting medication or anything for bipolar? No, I actually got off, that was the end of the story that I forgot to put in.
53:40is at about a year and a half sober, I got off all my medication. And it was just, it was a direct result of my drug addiction. It's like the old equalizers on a car stereo where you get them just right. And when you snort Adderall, you just blast them all up to 10 across treble, bass, fader, this. And then when you come off them, boom, they come crashing back down. And then you just keep jamming them back and forth, back and forth. And it's just not an accurate, it's just not an accurate gauge of how you're actually feeling because you're either in mania or you're just completely panicked because you're going to run out of drugs.
54:14Damn. So Saturday Night Live is an emotionally violent place for anyone with mental health stuff. Yeah, but I was, I'm, one of the best things I learned in recovery was that I'm, I am the reason for all of my suffering, which thrilled me because if I'm the reason for my suffering, then I always have a solution. I can change how I'm looking at something or I can go be of service and help somebody else and then just because if i'm pissed off it's it's really just a perverse selfishness because if i'm pissed off i'm only thinking about me so as an alcohol an active alcoholic on saturday night live it's you know woe is me poor me poor me poor me a drink so it's like i didn't get my i didn't get my sketch on like oh this fucking blues bull yeah and that's if i if i could do it again if i to be i guess it's like the classic snl lament oh if i I could be 53 in that 23-year-old body and just be like, okay.
55:13I can do it. I get to watch Nirvana rehearse. I know. You didn't even think of how great we had to see Nirvana in the cafeteria eating. I never felt like they owed me anything. Or even in stand-up. I remember I would talk to young comedians. They'd get all into the drama. Yeah, I was friends with that. Kristen LaSalle. Into the drama of stand-up. I'm getting fucked, man. I should be middling by now. And they put that guy getting all wound up in that. I think guys like you and me had a lot of success quickly. Like it was sort of, yeah. Don't you think so? Like you're, I'm like. I had a lot of stage fright.
55:48Well, there were no comedy clubs when I started. Literally. I opened for bands. That's really the key to enjoying the benefits of the program. Yeah. That'll set you back. Yeah. Just opening for bands and getting annihilated stuff. Normal stuff. But once I got into a club, a real club, not a honky tonk bar, like the other cafe and the hate, I started to progress just because of the environment. Yeah, well, your talent though, you can't deny it. I think it's, would you say that you rose quickly once you got into the right environment of clubs? I would say that as quickly as I can that I never was able to wrap my mind around like I'm one of those guys.
56:28Like I'm going to be on TV like Jerry Lewis or Jackie Gleason or something. and so I was I did a lot of shitty television yeah because I had no they offered me Blue Thunder and I was in a helicopter James Ferentino who was coked out and drinking straight vodka by the way and what else do you do in a helicopter yeah I know so it it in retrospect it seems like I played Morongo Casino and they Morongo the Morongo they sent the helicopter for me fuck yeah and my pilot was Lorenzo Lamas shut the fudge up the actor yeah Yeah. At Van Nuys Airport, they're like, this is your pilot. We call him Lorenzo Lamas.
57:07And I was like, ah, yeah, he looks like him. And then we're like somewhere over like Ontario. And I look at him, it says Lamas on his headset. To make, to grind it into you? Yeah. And I was like. To make sure you ask him. Yeah. Only on my side. I was only on my side. He has to switch it. And I wanted to ask him like, are you Lorenzo Lamas? But I didn't want to be that obvious. So I was like, hmm. So it was like, how much money are you on? Do you think you've left on the table doing this? That was pretty smooth to ask him that, right? Is that what you said? Instead of saying like, are you? And he goes, oh, 95 % of it.
57:41I'm like, okay, that's Lorenzo Llamas. Yeah. So he's a helicopter pilot that takes people to the hotel. He just digs it. And then he stayed. I said, come to the show. And he's like, I'm not supposed to. I'm like, come on. So he stayed for the show. And then we flew home. And somewhere over like the desert, he goes, Do you mind if we stop for gas? In the helicopter? Who says no to that? In the helicopter. I prefer, let's just ride it out. We got this. Give me an L.A.X. What do you want, E? Before Jay goes, I have to tell him one more thing. Was I, I auditioned for Jerry Maguire. You did? Yeah. For your part.
58:19Really? Yeah, Bob Sugar. Interesting. So who got it? Anyway. You know who had it when we were auditioning? Is that Cameron Crowe? Yes. Yeah. There was already an offer to Owen Wilson because they had done, Jim Brooks and Owen Wilson had already done Bottle Rocket together. Hey. So by the time that, I don't know about you, but hey, Owen. Hey, how's the thing we should do this part? When I do Owen Wilson, it sounds like Jennifer Coolidge. I try to do it, but my mouth gets too tight and I say we take it up. I do him telling a toddler he can't have any more candy. Please, let me. I don't think you should have any more candy.
59:01I'm just doing Melissa. I love that guy. I do. He's the greatest. When I saw Haunted Mansion, I'm like, oh, he was on the screen. I'm like. Owen Wilson. I love this guy. Woody Harrelson, Matthew McConaughey. Yeah. Three Texas eccentrics. Put them in some movie Hollywood. I love those guys. Here's my Colin Quinn when I said his friend just moved in with his girlfriend. I go, did he like moving in with his girlfriend? He goes, what do you think? What do you think? Anyway. Before we leave, this is a quick podcast. I've got to tell you two spade stories that are fantastic. Oh, I love it. I went back to see the show, and I was filming Picture Perfect with Jennifer Aniston.
59:41And I see Davey in the hallway, and he goes, how do you like working with Jenny? And I go, I'm such a dick. I go, I don't know. She smokes cigarettes. And he goes, let her down easy. Is that the most Davey joke ever? Yeah, definitely. That is exactly how it went. Letter to an easy. And they did that David thing when he goes. And then we were at a strip club. And the dancer, I'm being generous, the dancer, the artist. The artist, yeah. You know like when male bodybuilders, they can flex their pecs? Arnold used to do that. So this girl would do it. And so she's dancing for David and she's going like doing the bodybuilder boob flex.
1:00:23And it's like two songs go by and she circles back around and she does it again. And David goes, seen it.
1:00:35She just got humiliated. You were like, seen it. Seen it. That's very David. Yeah. God, it reminds me. We got a picture with, oh, who cares? Okay. Thank you, Jay. You have the best fucking stories. This is great. I know. Thank you for coming on, buddy. This is amazing. This is great. It's easy, right? You could do it on Zoom. I'm like, oh, I want to hang out. No, it's fun to come in here. We like when people come in. We do a lot of Zooms, trust me. A lot of Zooms. A lot of Zooms, but we... Carsonio. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I understand that a crib is your house and your bed. I can't remember. Just long fingers.
1:01:20Gotta love. A fucking wig.
1:01:26yeah i'll show you something when we're done here oh yeah because it's it's it's farley and and hartman on on the carson episode was it or they dom de louise and uh dom de louise where they flip out did you ever see that yes yo you see it fucking funny do you remember when far on the scared straight motivational speaker we we made an arrangement like when farley falls through the wall of the prison, we were all going to run out. Then we all run out and escape. Oh, like escape? We're all going to fall on top of Chris. As a joke. So he can't come back in and say, live from New York. Oh, that's funny.
1:02:00So Chris goes through the wall. Me, you, Sandler, Schneider, and Timmy fall on top of Chris. And he just lifts us up like leave bags. Like he didn't. He just peels us off. Not even a joke. Not even one second was wasted. Just live from New York. And he had the line where him and Martin Lawrence are selling us back and forth for cigarettes because that's the prison thing. And Farley was supposed to go, sold, seven bitches to the homie in the cornrows. And instead, so you're the camera. He goes, sold, seven bitches to the cornie in the homie rows. Oops. He just looks down the barrel. Looks in the camera.
1:02:43Oops. Oh, I love you, Chris. All right. All right. Thanks, boys.
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