RE-RELEASE - Jim Jefferies

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0:30Jim Jeffries from Australia. From Australia. Is that your best Australia? Australia can't really be too hard. You have to be very casual about it.

0:41Dana Carvey:There was an Australian TV show called A Place Called Home. And when I watched that, I had a perfect Australian accent. And then if I don't hear it, I don't, you know, I could try it now. They sort of flatten their vibes. Everything goes down a lot like that, Lassie. and Jim Jeffries. Yeah, Jim Jeffries, good time. Great, great stand-up. I see him a lot at the Comedy Store. We bullshit backstage and got a big following out there. Huge stand-up. A lot of stories that are completely bananas. Yes. So caught us off guard with a few and one about his dad is to crack up. But I'm excited. You're excited.

1:21And here he is, Jim Jeffries. Jim Jeffries. I'm very thankful. Is it when you already started? Is this started? No, we're halfway through, to be honest.

1:34Dana Carvey:We don't have any structure or introduction or anything. We'll do all that later. Content or anything. Well, obviously, I've met David many times before. I've met you in passing, Dana, but I'm a big fan, mate. I'm very excited to do this. I saw you go crush. We met at John Lovitz's Comedy Club, right? that's correct that's correct yeah a while back and you're kind of unassuming you had your accent everything whatever and it was a kind of a rough room because that high high stage everything but then you do three stories then you kill like oh god this fucking guy man thank you i don't know when that was yeah jeffrey's is uh that's you power powerful and and funny uh i was gonna ask you that like you you were one of the first that really walked outside stepped outside the lines in some of your early specials like yeah and i comedians love it because i don't do that but i love when i see someone who's literally saying exactly what they want to say without any censorship it's very you do it i i think the thing that for me early on was um just saying cunt a lot was the big difference from the american act i've always said i'm the rosa parks of the c word right because a lot of people are saying that a lot of people before me there was a restriction you couldn't you couldn't say it in the comedy club there was you could say whatever you so my first comedy special for hbo i swear to god right i swear to god uh had a light at the back of the room and it was a 15 minute mark you know how us comics we normally have a light when we have five minutes left to get off the stage.

3:18I don't know if many people know that, but that's what we have. We have a light at the end of the room to tell us when to get off the stage. I had a light that at 15 minutes lit up, and that meant I was allowed to say the word cunt because HBO said to me, the ratings go in 15-minute increments. We want people to like you. We don't want them to turn off in the first 15 minutes, so you can't say the C word for the first 15 minutes. So I had a light at the back, and at 15 minutes, I say, Aunt Panda's a bunch of cunts, and then I was off to the races. Can I plummet the ratings now?

3:47Dana Carvey:Well, let me ask you a question.

3:52Dana Carvey:Are you, like, if an American hears either a British or Australian accent, saying the wood can't, you know, it's softer to our ears. Are you guys enamored as Australia? Should I go down there and play little tiny clubs? Not like I'm a huge star anymore, but I would play down there. Are they enamored by the way we, our accents are, like we are enamored of Australian and British accents? The short answer is no, we're not. You asked the big star down there. Your movies are massive. The difference is we grew up watching your TV all the time. So we've seen American sitcoms since we're – that's why there's so many Australian actors doing American accents in films and not the other way.

4:34So we grew up watching your stuff, which is weird because when I was growing up, I was a huge fan of like Wayne's World, right, loved Wayne's World, didn't know it was a sketch from snl because we never had snl in australia that was never a thing so some of the movies that came out of snl just seemed a little odd to us because we didn't have a show it's like it's like mcgruber you were like what where's mcgruber come from also you thought garth is a real guy that just had done like 10 movies and now he's doing wayne's world and you're like oh that garth guy is pretty funny i had i had a sitcom back in the day on fx and it went for two seasons and it was just about me welcome to cuntville yeah that was the one it was called it was called it was called legit and legit was about me taking care of a disabled guy which was vaguely based on my real life we almost had a season three but season three the whole entire arc of season three that I'd written out, Dana Carvey was the main character and I was going to ask you to be in the show and you were going to play yourself.

5:41The plot line of the opening episode was I was taking care of my disabled friend, the wheelchair. My character had become famous doing standup by the end of season two. I see your character, you doing an impersonation of me on a late night show. I'm all coked up and I get upset. And so I go over to your house to confront you but I'm chicken so I can't knock on the door so I get the shit out of the disabled guy's wheelchair colostomy bag and I put it into a paper bag and then we go up we put it on the doorstep to light it and do the classic you know light the dog shit right away but we forget to knock on the door and your house burns down and that's the whole season arc from then on that that I'm your only friend and you're sleeping on my couch and I hadn't even really met you at that stage but if you didn't take it I was going to ask David to do the role I had options I'll do it wow and that you can throw the shit on me up for season three yeah burning down dana carvey's house did not get picked up and they go quickly any other just quick pitches for season three or is that the one we're going with i've got full scripts i wrote the whole thing out i thought it was a good premise by the way the weirder the better i say like some of these shows are too by the book and you just can figure them all out if you start that way i'm in well the the first the first episode of season one was just me taking a disabled guy to a brothel which is something i did in my real life i had a friend with muscular dystrophy and before he died i took him to a brothel and so it's a sweet it's a sweet story you know he couldn't get laid it's legal in australia i should add that being disabled is legal and prostitution and they finally passed him being disabled bill i'm so glad and i took him down to the brothel and this guy this guy had died a couple of times like he's hard to give away he'd been resuscitated so me and his brother took him down with the full knowledge that this might go tits up you know what i mean so we laid him down and then you know the girl did what she did and then we put him back in the chair and then we went off and had a couple of drinks and that was our day Now, I told the story to so many people.

7:47I made a sitcom about the story and then cut to a few years later, I see him and he's like, hey, you made a lot of money out of the story. I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did. He goes, you should take me to the brothel again. It's only fair, right? So I'm thinking this guy's going to get his second blowjob in his life. I'm going to do it, right? I'll take him again. And I went down and they all greeted him like he was Norm from Cheers. It turns out that he gives this sob story to everyone. As soon as he walked in, they were like, Dan. By the way, was he disabled or do we know?

8:22Dana Carvey:Does the ween work? I don't know. Did his experience go, I don't know how Australians think of this phrase. Did it go tits up or not tits down? It went tits down, I think. Tits down. Is tits down something you say or not? No, no one says tits down. Tits up is when something goes badly. There's no tits down. right yeah yeah that's that's american too i think i think i think the term tits up means that like a banana peel slip like and you're up in the air tits up means it means i think i want to have australian actors because i i've just noticed that they're not only good at american accents they're perfect yeah and i start with russell crowe like yeah immaculate and uh i don't know why that is and the australian actors you send us all seem alpha alpha you know like just nobody's kind of like a little guy or there always seem to be kind of they bring men big big hulking you know there's you know there's a third hemsworth though that's a lot shorter who also is an actor there's the two main ones and there's a third one but a tiny Hemsworth exists and he's the eldest brother and he's the one who started acting first he's really nice but uh the other two good-looking ones came along and went we'll have a go he's not good looking either well he's good no he's he's good looking by our standards but not by as a Hemsworth you know he cremates us but against those two next to me he looks just great but uh I'll tell you my my one um Russell Crowe story because you mentioned Russell you know all these guys there's like 10 australians right but you know you know the comedian david williams from australia liverpool no he's a british he's on uh little britain was he sketch show yeah yeah yeah he's the judge of uh britain's got talent or something like that so we oh yes now i know exactly what you're talking about yeah he's kind of pale really pale and kind of chub face Yeah.

10:23Yeah. So me, David, and Russell were going out to dinner. And Russell lives at the end of this pier in the harbour. And on the bottom story of the pier are all these fancy restaurants along Sydney Harbour, right? They're all, like, lined up along Sydney Harbour. And so we went down the lift. We started walking through the car park. And so it's just a car park with a few sort of, like, exit doors to different shops and stuff along the pier. and uh i said well what restaurant we're going to he goes oh we're going to this chinese restaurant i eat there once a week it's one of the best chinese restaurants you'll ever go to i'm telling you try the duck right so we we walking along and then i go well how do we get into it he goes i just walk in through the back they know me right so we get to the door russell just bashes through the door he goes past there's a bloke like washing dishes they're probably thinking of someone from ice coming to get him right he's just washing dishes out the back then we go into like then we go into the kitchen and there's like all the chefs in the in the clean bit right so russell bounds through he's way ahead of us then me and david go in through the restaurant like this we're like so sorry for coming in through the back we're very much looking forward to the meal thank you so much for having us really appreciate you we get out into the dining area and russell's just staying there and he goes wrong restaurant i went a door early

11:50and so it was like it was like the most famous man in australia followed by one of the second most famous people in australia applied by me and it just i was a cavalcade of shit we had to go back out in the street and walk out and come back in again anyway he does a very good american accent

12:04Dana Carvey:He's a brilliant actor. He's one of the best actors you'll ever see. Master and Commander, if anyone listening has never seen it. It's like a miracle of a movie, Russell Crowe, and the whole Ship at Sea. Have you seen it? I have seen it, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. It gets you seasick, that film, if you watch it in the cinema. There's a lot of rocking around. I think so.

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13:01Dana Carvey:so you're you're huge in the uk i saw your tour so you're what's the name of your tour godson son of a carpenter my father's a carpenter and it's just an easy reference point but yeah son of a carpenter i've just not tried to say it is extraordinary you're playing istanbul you're playing massive dates manchester all over europe what do you talk about what the fuck well i i i got my comedy chops in uh britain i i did most of my early work in the uk i i went to the uk 2001 and sort of stayed there till 2010 and then i moved to america but uh the british comedy circuit i think is the best in the world because the cities are so close together you're never getting on an area airplane you're going 50 miles liverpool to manchester manchester to leeds you can double up in cities you can start you can do an early spot in one city and then end up and you can start in one country you can start in scotland and then finish in england for your night you know i mean it's interesting place i gotta count count me in but i can get your gigs you two would do all right you'd do just fine don't worry about it well what are we talking big big clubs or small theaters or small arenas big arenas you could i think you would do some medium to large theaters you know but i like let's not book the o2 just yet but let's see how the first tour you'd rather sell it out than the the 10 percenters book you in something too huge what's the biggest room you will play on this tour i have done the o2 before but on this tour i'll do the hammersmith i'll do the hammersmith apollo which is like 4 000 and i probably will do two shows there you know what i mean like i'm not it's pretty juicy yeah but that's like a nice room and then there's the manchester apollo and then um i think there's a gig in amsterdam that's quite large that i'll do i always do a right in amsterdam i've been gigging a lot in amsterdam for the last 20 years it's just uh before weed was legal i always used to accept gigs in amsterdam it's like how it's like now that i'm a family guy i always seem to find gigs in hawaii out of nowhere but i need to take the family the family yeah i sell like 500 tickets but it's fucking worth it because i get to go to hawaii what what culture as when you were at your edges i was going ask you if you've adjusted anything just because you want to or you're still just as edgy what what what country accepted you was are the british looser with this are we more patrician or you know the british were the loosest country for comedy that i've performed and still to this day now i i've always said that like like everyone always goes what's the difference between performing in the different continents and countries comedy is comedy laughs are all the same but the heckling changes so i believe that americans try to correct you if an america if an american heckles you they're always like hey buddy i'll tell you what my sister had blood you know i mean they're trying to get into an argument or prove you wrong um australians are trying to trip you up so if you get close to a punchline they'll just go ah i can't and i'll just yell something out so you just get off your speed a little bit delightful yeah they're niggly little fucks right and then um and then And then the British try to out-joke you.

16:16They try to say something funnier. There's a classic story, right, that down at the London Comedy Store, Kurt Douglas's, Michael Douglas's brother, Jeff Douglas or something. I don't know. One of the other Douglas's.

16:31Dana Carvey:One of the other Douglas's. Yeah. One of the other Douglas's, Kurt Douglas's son, he's having a bad gig at the London Comedy Store. He starts getting booed or a few jeers or whatever, and so he tells them all to fuck off and he goes you can all fuck off i don't need this i'm kurt douglas's son and then another and then one person stood up and went i'm kurt douglas's son and then another person said i'm kurt douglas's son and they did the entire scene from spartacus the british are very good they're very good i have a quick story that involves the c word so um spartacus right to be cancer but we're changing so we're gonna set the record anyway this is so random and it'll amuse like three three percent of our audience so uh kirk douglas is in spartacus and he's really kind of buff and you know muscular and laurence olivier is in there so the guy sees laurence olivier he's this famous old british actor super famous and he's doing leg presses really hard they go oh larry you're really working out yeah he goes i'm doing spoticus and i don't want that cunt cook douglas to out physicalize me that's all i got physical

17:45Dana Carvey:that was a legitimate use of the word from a story i was told yeah that's it that's an historical use of the c word yeah you see margot robbie at icebergs a lot margot what's iceberg oh the Iceberg's the restaurant in Bondi. You know about icebergs? Jeez, you have trouble. Look at me. Look out, Dana. Look at me. Where's Bondi? Bondi Beach is a populous beach that's close to the city centre in Sydney, right? Okay. It's where all the British people get sunburnt and skin cancer over Christmas. But there's a restaurant there that overlooks like a public pool. The public pool has ocean water that pours into it, which is kind of interesting.

18:26It's a fancy restaurant. on i've never i've never met margot robbie i'm a fan i once was on i once was the other guest on kimmel when margot robbie was on really yeah you know how like you're a guest on those shows you never meet the other guests yeah you have to make a point of it because they're like somewhere else you don't even know where they are yeah they're in a different dressing room and then you come on then you leave or they've already left and you're the second guest and then they've they're already they're gone right so so i've been on like episodes of those shows bill clinton was on one never met him you know these these different people um but margot robbie was the other guest and so her dressing room was next to mine and i just sort of lingered in the hallway just like acting like i was looking for something just because i'm australian i have an in you know i could have

19:12Dana Carvey:gone hey you don't have to linger you can linger she would have accepted me saying the c word in front of her it would have been music to who it is i'm a local don't you hate all these americans here that's what i said exactly i would have said something like that but i tell you what You've got to give it up. The Margot Robbie, flying the Australian flag, is there a better person on it? If the aliens came down and they said, give us your two best, not just looking, just your best human beings, and we gave them Hugh Jackman and Margot Robbie, come on now. You can't get better than those two. That's true.

19:48Dana Carvey:Let's see. I'll see you Hugh Jackman and Margot Robbie and raise you Jennifer Aniston and Russell Crowe. David? No, Russell Crowe, is he saying Australian versus America? We're saying the two best humans. The two best humans we give to the aliens to represent us, to go, this is what we've got. Okay, first of all, Russell can't bloody dance and tap dance and stuff. He's not a triple threat. That's true. He's a triple threat, that huge advocate. But he can sing. That guy can sing. He's like, hey, have you ever seen? Your buddy Brad Pitt. Well, yeah, Brad's brilliant. Yeah, of course. You were talking about Brad off the air about how, what is he, 61 or something like that?

20:29Dana Carvey:Yeah, mm-hmm. And he still looks amazing. Like, the fact that we have a 61-year-old, and I haven't seen the movie, that we are going to drive a Formula One car and go, yep, that seems about right. Yeah, when they're forced to retire at, like, 30. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He should have a bloody special pass for the bus, Brad Pitt, at his age, and he's going to be driving a Formula One car. sure and brad ending then tom cruise and mission impossible i saw mission impossible yeah i gotta co-sign that movie it's brilliant tom i've been seeing the new one yet it was was he in the submarine for too long oh it's the greatest movie ever and then you're like well no i just see it definitely see it yeah it's very cool you know you don't want to overblow something but as far as that like you know these people they don't they take care of themselves we were talking about that before the podcast the old old-timey actors it was booze and cigarettes and they died around 60 so for you like used to one of your early specials but we just said we just said brad pitt was a smoker and russell is a smoker and then people they're still smoking they've got some special they're getting blood put into you're like the audience correcting us like well that that's true but recovery you know so i was gonna because one of your early specials really made me laugh the only one i ever saw do this a little bit was ricky gervais but during the special i don't know if it's kind of like a set you would wander around and all of a sudden from behind something you'd pick up another pint of beer yeah and i don't know how many beers you did throughout the special well that's something i've never seen i know you stopped drinking but do you look at those days as any kind of funniness or because to me it really got my attention like when's the next time he's gonna grab a magic beer okay so i didn't know that was gonna be a joke and i only ever did that for the special.

22:13I never did that for my normal shows. I normally used to have my beers just on top of the box when I'm performing, just ready to grab. But because with a special, and I don't know if I'm doing some inside baseball stuff here, mostly we record two shows that night, edit it together, or just show the best one, right? And so they edited in every pint I had over two shows. So it did look like I had seven pints in one hour. oh right so i can't take credit if i did not have seven pints in one hour now the reason that they were behind the box was for congenuity because the pint the level of the liquid going up and down and i'll be leaving empty glasses everywhere else so just before i went out they lined up for each show four pints of lager behind the thing now back in the day um people used to like go on about what a great drinker i was i actually was a really bad drinker um i i would get drunk very very quickly it just so happened in those first two specials i was also on cocaine but if they asked but that's the reason that was propping me up right and i i regret doing that in my life and i you know if my child is watching this podcast many years later i was an idiot but that was why i could drink so i gave that i gave up all drugs when my son was born when my son was born i never took drugs again um when he's 12 now and uh and i i i never took drugs again but i continued drinking and everyone just thought i was a bad drinker everyone thought i was getting out of control i was actually in

23:49Dana Carvey:recovery like so when you say like two lagers like two pints then you then you were sort of drunk i mean like slurring and like i started slurring after three pints now okay yeah so and so then I did some specials and I was just a dribbling mess in all the specials but I was just and so then my wife gets pregnant with my last child who's about to turn uh four and I haven't had a drink since then so uh and I don't miss it at all any anymore not at all I don't miss any of it don't miss cigarettes don't miss alcohol don't miss drugs um I regret doing all of them really I feel a lot better well I was noticing that you look younger than the last time I saw you basically I mean, you look really good.

24:34I'm not sweating as much as I used to.

24:36Dana Carvey:I mean, yeah, you're shrunken down. You're more of a, you know. I've never seen you messy, though. I think when I see you, it's maybe a more professional setting, but I've never seen you messy. Well, yeah, well, not anymore anyway. But, yeah, no, I just sort of knocked it on the head. The cigarettes was the hardest one. That's the hardest one to quit out of the lot is the cigarettes. And I think that's – I read there was a book, Alan Carr, Stop Smoking. the secret to giving up cigarettes is this is you stop you stop envying people who are smoking it used to be you'd give up cigarettes for a while and every time i'd see a cigarette i'd go oh geez i wish i could have a cigarette you got to start looking at them like they're slaves to nicotine and that you're free that's the only way there's my motivational talk for the day oh that's good hey i have another kirk douglas i'm sorry i'm sorry but this totally fits this fits better than the last one last one was good it was good that's like that muscly cunt kirk douglas I did a movie with Kirk Douglas and Burt Lancaster.

25:32Dana Carvey:So Kirk Douglas told me his dad was a chain smoker and then he quit. And I said, well, how did you do it? So his dad took a cigarette, put it in his pocket. And anytime he wanted a cigarette and he was Russian, he would pull it out and go, who is stronger, me or you? Me. He was so competitive that that just stopped it. Who is stronger, me or you? Get back in pocket, cigarette. I am strong, man. You are a fucking little rolled up nicotine whore. And that was the quote. I'm just quoting Kirk Douglas. I'm just quoting Kirk Douglas. I was a nicotine whore back in the day, whoring myself to nicotine.

26:13Dana Carvey:Has it influenced your comedy at all, like your stand-up writing, just being completely off everything? Because the specials you're talking about were really well-received. And the last few haven't been as well-received. Once you've gotten sober, I said. Look, look, Sergeant Peppers was arguably the Beatles' best album, right? It was nonsensical rubbish, right? That was all on acid and stuff, yeah. Yeah, I don't listen to the whole Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds. It was a painting, you know. Julian gave me a painting. I'm doing more Paul there, but you know what I mean. You sat down for a plonk, you know.

26:48Dana Carvey:Is that how you did it? We would plonk, John, and I would look at each other sort of like a mirror. I'm just quoting him now. so but yeah but uh i love ball are you an opera singer jim before you get a chance to answer so this is this is a thing that always is brought up in my life yeah i love it is a fake one so no no it's true it's true so okay so i i did a school musicals because that was how you met girls right if you're not if you're not athletic i went you go and do a school musical join the drama club or whatever that's my theory on why actors are so short right i think it's because they couldn't play sport at a high level so they joined the drama club it's all about meeting girls right so i think yeah that's my theory anyway because um um so so i i went and did uh musical theater at school and then there was literally like a talent scout came to one of the shows and said he could be a tenor and we don't have many tall tenors and that's a really like a hard thing in the opera company and so they they sent me off to singing lessons with this guy called Richard Gill who was the head of the chorus master in Australia I sound like an old person talking about relatives you've never met and I studied for a while and then when I was 17 I was put in the Australian opera in the chorus uh for one production of the Flying Dutchman which was Wagner and so I was just like i was literally singing in german didn't know a fucking word of what i was saying i would just buy it german holy shit well i was just buying a cd and just mimicking the german you know what i mean and then um you know they teach us the songs but i didn't know what the songs were about or anything so after that i went and studied at wopper and wopper is the western australian academy of performing arts which is where hugh jackman studied which uh they had a full scholarship ride to study musical theater by the time I was two years into that I was already being paid to be a stand-up comic and I just quit it in the middle of the night and just went off on on tour but I always wanted to be a stand-up comic but I thought you can't study that at university you got it I wanted to say something in the performing arts and so I studied musical theater and I would like to I can't sing anymore because cigarettes and yelling on stage and I've had polyps and nodules and nodules.

29:14I've done it. I've had the surgery and all that. You can hear me. Voice is pretty raspy now, but I could sing as a, and it's weird because everyone always goes, sing us a song when they find out you're an opera singer. And it's like, you wouldn't have gone up to Pelé when he was like, hadn't played soccer for 50 years and gone, go on, do a bit of keepy up. Let's see a bicycle kit. Yeah. So it's, it's a muscle. I haven't really worked, but I did do that. I still have, fondness for musical theater. I still go and see any production that comes to LA. I have two follow-up questions. Okay. One, did that garner any puss because you went through a lot.

29:55Is that a new phrase? Garner a puss. Okay. I will say this to any young heterosexual man who can sing a little bit, right? Yeah. If you go to university where they auditioned thousands of people to get like 30 kids. It was like going to fame and half of the class is male and half the class is female. Those girls have been doing dance lessons since they were bloody kids, right? Singing lessons, acting lessons, all that type of stuff, right? All the boys have been doing the same. The 30 kids in my year at university, I think out of the 15 boys, 10 of them were gay. And that just, the numbers don't lie.

30:36That's too good. It feels your way. for sure i'll tell you what it worked a lot better than being a comedian saying the word all the time yeah didn't bring as many women in as you think you know you could name your next

30:49Dana Carvey:special kind of woman likes that kind of talk yeah they were fun girls who did like me but they didn't come in their masses yeah oh

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31:36okay here's your special jim ready this is a new name here we go tall tenner tall tenner i'm calling my new special it hasn't come out is called uh uh two limb policy is the

31:47Dana Carvey:name of the special okay like l-i-m-b two limb policy because i i have and i talk about this on the special but because i did that sitcom with the disabled people a lot of disabled people come to my show i have a meet and greet after the show i always let the disabled people join the meet and greet i take photos with all the different people with disabilities but i can't like someone wrote to me and said hey i'm bringing my uncle to your show he's disabled can we come backstage and meet you and you can't write back how disabled right and you can't ask for a photo right but we have to have some parameters i just can't have a lineup of people with fucking dyslexia bothering me so i have a i have a two limb policy you have to be missing two limbs or they have to be doing nothing and if you have two limbs that are fucked up you can you're lucky enough to have a photo with me yes take a picture of this you're allowed to come backstage and meet this can't if you're missing two limbs uh okay that's good i have a question also from the audience At some point, we've got to get to your show because we know.

32:59Dana Carvey:Oh, the show is. Go ahead, Dana. You're on a little press tour for your show. Sure. We can't forget the show. The snake. The snake. I'm fucked. The snake. I saw your billboard hogging fucking Sunset Boulevard. I'm not on the billboard. That's how confident I am. That was an executive decision. What? David, what was your Fox show with snake in the title last year? Oh, snake oil. Snake oil. This is called The Snake. His was called Snake Oil. What channel? We're part of the Snake family of Fox. Oh, it is. It's the same billboard. Yeah, it's by the Chateau Marmont. Yeah, yeah. So we snake it up, yeah.

33:32The Snake is a reality show that's similar to Big Brother or Survivor or Fear Factor. It's got elements of those three shows. So it's good-looking people living in a house in the jungle doing tasks where they have to eat gross food. but the secret sauce in the show is instead of like an elimination ceremony or where people get voted off anonymously what happens is uh the person who wins the task gets to become the snake they get the coveted snake medallion and then if they get the snake medallion they get to save the first person and the person who gets saved gets to save one person the person who gets saves gets to save another person it snakes down the chain uh setting up a chain reaction so you don't have to have a majority rule uh to like you in the show you just need to make really one or two friends that will keep saving you but you can't repay the favor so if someone saves you you got to save another person so so like like you get a lot of skullduggery you get a lot of um skullduggery skullduggery out there yeah well i tell you i was explaining this show the other day um on some good morning something and i said the word skullduggery because that's what i always think about the show And you know what skullduggery means, like pirates and stuff.