RE-RELEASE - Judd Apatow

18:58Dana Carvey:oh Pepper Boy Pepper Boy Steve Koren and Smeigl probably got on that too yeah and the other one was the one where you're the host who keeps making out with the people walking in the restaurant that was yeah that was when I was still on SNL the other one was hosting but Sandler Schneider went in that El Cantore was a fucking hit. Was it Christy Alley was the host? What was it? The other one was like, you lack of the juice? Oh, the fucking juice. That was a Smigel and Sandler. But yeah, El Cantore was the one where I had Victoria's legs up in the air. And Smigel tried to say, don't do that. And I'm like, that was one of the biggest, I mean, that I was just writing a physical gag.

19:36Dana Carvey:But yeah. And Sandler would give himself like one joke in it, but a good joke. Yeah. And that's how he tried to get himself exposed, which is to let other people like you murder, but give himself a key thing where I think he came out in his underwear at the end of the sketch. Yeah, he was ripped fit, man. He was like a boxer. Yeah, he came out as, don't you forget about the macho man. Yeah, there was a little... And he came out as that wacky Pete. But I always found him funny and charming. And he did have a few months of connecting with the audience. Opera man, it was so abstract. He had a star thing.

20:05Dana Carvey:And he would do that, I'm awful. And I just loved it, the silliness of it. But when he hooked, they went with him. Boom. I don't think Franken loved it. Well, let's get back to you. I remember him telling me about Frank and not liking it. He would tell me that, because I would always be like, how's it going? Because this was my dream to get interested out. That's what I was going to ask. So when Sandler got in, they're like, oh my God, someone got in. They're going to pull me in at some point. And we would all be on the phone with Adam trying to think of ideas for him. And Schneider. I don't remember you calling asking for anything, but I remember talking to Schneider.

20:37I was crying in my office. Passed out. Sensitive naked man was one of those.

20:42Dana Carvey:Oh, yeah, that was Schneider. He was trying to figure out, you know, how do you get on the show? How do I get my personality through? And I remember he said that one day he knocked on Lorne's door and Franken's in there. He says he's in his underwear. He put a hammer in his butt. Like he was holding a hammer in his butt. This is Al Franken? No, this is Sandler. Oh, God. And then he just like knocked on the door, opened the door and went like, it's hammer time. and then they did not look amused at all and then he walked away like he was just trying to find a way that's just a ballsy that's very sandler right fucking who would have well it's more who's like new york guy and like upper going to orso and franken and then a guy walking with but but it was and not the changing of the guard but it was like a bunch of guys going can we try all this kind of stuff that was i was a little different adam was different that way and And so it just was a new way, I don't know, of thinking.

21:42But you were right along our lines. So I get on with Rob. Sandler gets on. I don't think you knew Farley and Rock back then. But so then you are very close to the show in that respect. And then you like it too. And you eventually start writing. Have you been brought in as a guest writer? Well, I would talk to Adam on the phone all the time. I think in the early years, he was talking to Hurley, who wasn't on the show at that point. Yeah, right. And we were all just trying to help load him up. So I remember working on the Denise show sketch with him. And I remember the other one I kicked around with him was the first cheap Halloween costumes, the Crazy Spoonhead sketch.

22:29An update. An update. Oh, I saw that. I was like, this is fucking crushing. And that was one of the first times he really went full Adam where - Yeah, that was - Total commitment. Yeah. And then one day I said to Adam, can I give you a sketch and just hand it in? Don't touch it. I just want to know if I was good enough - Oh, just like - Don't even touch it. Yeah, yeah. Slipped through, right into the read-through file. I don't remember what the sketch was about at all, but it was a Dennis Quaid sketch. And it went on really early in the show and they did it. Oh, wait, you got it on? It was like a dinner table sketch argument of some sort.

23:04And it got on like in a key place and I think did reasonably well. And I thought, okay, I can do this. But then I never could get the job there. Like I had the packet and I never got hired. Did you ever have a meeting one-on-one with Lorne? As close as I got was one day Adam called me and he said. Hail. He said, you know what? I had your packet and David and Downey after months was holding your packet and talking to me and Schneider. And he was asking about me and I was telling him that he should hire you. And Schneider said, I don't think he's ready. Shut the fuck up. Seriously? Yeah. He did?

23:41Yeah. And so I was like, what? They shovel riders in there. We've been ready. It's a tryout. But then I was like thinking about it. Come on. He's not ready. It was very annoying. And then I thought later, almost every good thing that's happened in my life is the result of those four words. What? You're not ready? Just not getting in there was why I met Stiller and did the Ben Stiller show. I can literally blame everything in my life to Rob Schneider saying he's not ready. Meeting my wife, my children. None of it would exist. Interesting. If I went in at that time.

24:24but later on Roseanne hosted and I was writing jokes so I wrote her monologue and I guess wrote that week which is mainly the monologue yeah it's really fun that's always weird because it's not weird but sometimes they bring guests I think Martin Lawrence was the first one to do when I was there and he brought some guys and I was like oh okay it's almost saying you guys are bad yeah but it's more just like a trust issue because now I would love to have someone that wrote well for me around just to be because you're so alone. And they go, is this shit any good? Because you might think it's good.

24:55And they go, why would you do that? And I go, well, no one's around to ask. It's literally 85 people against you. And they're on your team, but you don't know and you're scared and they might be trying to talk you into something.

25:06Dana Carvey:It's hard to go back when you're lucky enough to have hit characters. And every time it was like in the 90s when I would guest host, you'll do Bush, you know, we'll do Junior. And then it was like, you'll do Church Lady. And it's like 2012. I'm getting close to her age at least. All my characters are old. I'm still younger than Churchly. Newsflash, kids. You're aging into it. Hey, Adam Sandler is listening right now. How you doing, buddy? He is. But Sandler didn't repeat characters when he hosted, which was pretty cool. I think that is sort of par for the course. He did Opera Man, maybe? What did he do when he came back?

25:44I think that maybe the one. He did an infomercial that crushed.

25:46Dana Carvey:He did the Farley song. The Italian vacation sketch was maybe one of the funniest sketches of the whole time. I think my daughter loved that one. To me. I thought that was so funny. Well, I haven't been able to float this theory out, but since we're on that for a second. 2019, the year of Sandler. I've never seen anyone break show business that hard. First of all, his special was kind of supernatural because, my favorite word, because of shooting so many times and being so relaxed and so playful. Then he comes out with Uncut Gems. Was it Uncut Gems? Yeah, Uncut Gems. Then he hosts Saturday Night Live and he destroys.

26:22Dana Carvey:So those three kind of broke shows. And he won like the Indie Spirit Award. He won an award. And he gave a speech that if anyone out there wants to Google something that is as funny as anything can be, Adam gave me a speech to all the snobby independent film people. Right, yeah. Where they cheer him like he is their favorite person has always been. and then he attacks them in the most hysterical way. It was a perfect speech. It was a great moment. It just sort of was full circle because back in the day, I remember Sandler just casually would say to me, they hate me, Carvey. You know, the critics thought he was, they didn't get him.

26:57Dana Carvey:And now since it's turned, it's kind of interesting to see an arc of a career like that. Two questions, I have two parts. Back to Judd. That's all you get, Adam. Bop, bop, bop. Judd is a, I had actually heard you had offered head writer at one point, but maybe that's not true. There was some sniffing around. Some grumbling? Yes. Maybe it was too late in the game. You had too much going on. Well, at the time I was about to make a movie and I felt bad about bailing on the movie. That was one thing. And then I was also probably nervous about what I could accomplish at the show. Yeah. You know, what can you really do to the show?

27:36Because it's so locked in. It's locked in how it's made. and I wasn't sure I had something that I could bring to it unless I could really change it. And it shouldn't be changed, but look what's happened since then. I mean, it's just gone on and just gotten better and greater and it did everything it should do. And so it just didn't feel like the right move.

27:57Dana Carvey:It informs me right now just because I was on it and it's still on in this huge franchise. Show you that there's hope too. I get to ride that wave. But I'm just curious, did you have wilderness years at all after Ben Stiller? you have a couple of years where you lost your confidence, nothing's going on? Or was it pretty much, then you got with Shanley and that whole ride, or was there times, or we could talk about your Gary Shanley experience. Cause I'm really curious about that and how it informed you as a filmmaker. Well, I was bouncing back and forth to a lot of projects that weren't necessarily connecting in a mass success way, but I like them.

28:34So I got to make a movie with Steve Brill, which Stiller was in Heavyweights, a Disney movie. Oh, yeah. You know, it cost 10 million and made 20. So it didn't sink my career. Right. And we loved it, but it wasn't considered successful in any way. And weirdly now people really like it. Yeah, it's charming. And then the Stiller show, we loved it, but it got canceled. Won the Emmy for Best Show, though. Yeah, for writing. And so that was exciting, but depressing. and then I did Sanders for a bunch of years. And that was, for me, like, oh, I need to learn how to do this. And if I'm here with Gary, I'll learn how to write.

29:15And that is, I think, what happened. It's just watching Gary make it.

29:19Dana Carvey:Were you with the show when I came on? Because Gary asked me to come on before it had gotten on television. Yeah. And I was doing the host thing. Yeah. I so remember that moment because you did the Smigel sketch where you did an impression of Gary. Yes. And it was hilarious, but not necessarily something that Gary would enjoy because there was a lot of whining. What was the impression? It was hard with Gary. And when he asked me to do it, I said, you want me to, because he wanted me to come in and do the impression to him. He goes, oh yeah, I love it. I think it's kind of like, you know, Leno goes like this sometimes, but almost never talks like that.

29:56Dana Carvey:Gary and every comedian has their hook to signal the audience that I'm having a great time and this is really funny. So I noticed that Gary would talk like this, but then when something was really funny, he would go into this pitch and I told my dog that he shouldn't pee on the car like that. So he wouldn't go to that gear all the time. It wasn't a while, he'd just go off here and it's like he's having a party in his brain. It was a great move. So I just did that and I had teeth and it was grotesque. You had big hair. I had big, big hair. So anyway. And so Gary, I mean, it was really almost the definition of Gary.

30:32Dana Carvey:Wanting it to make more fun of him. No, that he's offended on some level by it because it just goes right to the heart of maybe whatever he might think is the cliche way of looking at him or like he's just too boiled down. That's what I do with everybody though. So he's whiny guy or whatever. So I mean he's not mad about it but he's like not loving it. And then you call him at some point and say, hey, I didn't write that. Smigel wrote it. I hope you don't feel bad. And then Gary's response was, well, let's just do an episode about it. And then he had the writers write the episode where you guest host and you keep doing an impression of him on the show and how annoyed he is at you.

31:19And that was like the meta version of Gary. He has his girlfriend at the time, Linda, do an episode where she's in Playboy magazine. Suddenly we're shooting with Hugh Hefner. And then on the set, Hugh Hefner asks Linda to be in Playboy magazine. And now Gary in real life has to deal with the fact that his girlfriend is going to be naked in Playboy magazine. And then the next thing you know, we're all at the Playboy mansion at a cocktail party where they have big pictures of her naked. Right. Oh, look at. Oh, wow. So weird. And Gary's got to be there. Ah, that's an episode too. And that's what would keep happening with every person.

31:57Dana Carvey:Do you remember the Hervé Villachez was on that episode? The plane, the plane, you know? And he didn't know it was a fake talk show because it hadn't aired yet. But anyway, that was funny. Here's the thing that I find very, very interesting. First time, like I've been really bad in the two movies that I did because 125 takes, 300 rehearsals, you know, and it'll come to the way you do films. But Gary, we get on the set, it was pre-digital. So there's three guys with 16 millimeters. So they're covering me, covering Gary, covering the two shot. And Gary's going, I'll say this, you say something like that.

32:29Dana Carvey:Never experienced anything like that. So when I watched it, I go, well, actually, it looks like I'm really acting. So that was also a genius part. I mean, he spawned a world, an industry. Well, because you have to be loose. He liked going deep emotionally. It's a little bit cringe comedy, which I think people picked up on. Curb is a little bit like that. Curb, Ricky Gervais. After that. You know, when you got, what was the first film that you directed? I directed The 40-Year-Old Virgin. Yeah. And we would do table reads to try to crack it. And Gary would always come. He was so nice. And he would pitch the fic.

33:04So I said to Gary, what do I do about masturbation? Because wouldn't he just masturbate all the time? Right. He's a virgin. He's 40. And so we're in a room with like Adam McKay and all these great writers and Seth. And we're trying to go, what would he do? And how do you not talk about that?

33:21Dana Carvey:And how do you keep it Steve Carelli? So it's not cringy with him because of his likability. And then Gary just goes, maybe we just see his preparations for masturbating. And then Gary pitches out. He puts on his favorite bathrobe. He takes a shower. He puts out his tissues and his creams. And then we put on like Lionel Richie, hello, underneath it. And that was the scene. And Gary would do that all the time. He would tell you the great joke and the emotion, you know, because he did say to me once, I think the show, I think that that movie is about people who love each other. It's about love and it's about when your friends are just trying to get laid, but you're looking for love.

34:01Dana Carvey:Yeah. And that was his genius. Yes, absolutely. To balance pathos and comedy. Yeah. Like other geniuses, Chaplin. So when you, I just hear things about the way you direct and I don't know if you did it on that one, but you kind of, you're running a lot because you're on digital. So you're running long, long takes, which you couldn't do with 35 minutes. Not back then. Not back then. But I don't know when you started that. And you're kind of like tilting people out of their preconceived choices by sort of yelling out things. Do it like this. Do it like that. When did that start? Because that seems great for comedians who can improvise.

34:32Dana Carvey:Well, it started with Stiller at the Ben Stiller Show. Oh, you were doing it then. Yeah, because Ben, you know, a lot of times we would just be shooting a single of Ben doing like a Tony Robbins impression. And we would have a script. But then Ben would just talk for like another 20 minutes off the top of his head. And you'd just run it on film. And we would just run it on film. And then sometimes Ben would play this agent character and he would be pitching bad career advice to people like Run DMC or something like that. But he would get afraid to say it to their face. So he would do a soft version and then he would tell them they were wrapped for the day.

35:05And then he would redo his single with harsher jokes. And then we would just riff and play what else we could do. And then when we started doing movies, we thought, oh, you could do that in a scene. You could do that in the middle of a scene, even for emotional stuff, not just jokes. And we did that with David on Love, where we just kept it loose. And it's not always punchline driven.

35:29Dana Carvey:Well, I would say that for anybody, when you're discovering it, like sometimes when you think of a standup bit, the best you do it is the first time you do it. And then you try to get back to that. Exactly. But when you're discovering something, the camera's rolling and you're doing it for the first time, it just a lot of times gets a lot of pop. I think that's what Brando was always trying to do by hiding notes and oranges on the ceiling. So he just would experience it. So that's all I got, David. Yeah. And I think some of the best stuff I've seen just as a viewer on set is like Will Ferrell on set just doing a run of alternate lines.

36:04Dana Carvey:I was going to ask you that about someone who, and probably Will Ferrell will be one of them, where you're sort of watching greatness in a sense. Yeah. You know, and I was envious that he would get these long takes to do, to show that, you know. It seems like so much fun. I mean, the one I was thinking about, one was Milk was a bad choice. You know, I'm in a glass case of emotion in Anchorman. That scene is just him and Adam for maybe it's just 15 minutes. They know they need one line. And they get to go 15 minutes to get that one magic moment. Just going crazy. Adam's yelling out stuff. Will's improvising.

36:41They've written a bunch of stuff beforehand. There was one where I think it was that Rudd punches Will in the face in Anchorman 2. And they just wanted to get funny reactions from Ron Burgundy getting punched in the face. And Adam yells out, after he hits you, he hit you so hard you speak in foreign language. after he hits you and then it turned into after he hits you he hit you so hard you're now five years old and Will would just go on run after run. I would see that you know at the end as many of those there's never too many for me just to show that and I always try to get Adam to do outtakes because you know like on Grown Ups it's all funny people and I go come on we're all fucking around the whole time I'm sure there's something in there funny there better be just to, you know, cause we do the same thing.

37:31It's like, what are we doing this thing? And we would even huddle up in between and takes. And I'm a hoarder. So like, I actually feel bad if I don't find a way to get those alternate jokes out. Somewhere. I mean, it used to be on the Blu-ray and the, we would do, we used to call them lino-ramas and just make five minute reels of the alternate stuff. Because if I'm like, when I worked with Adam on funny people, if he's riffing, I actually think it's gold and the fact they would just go in the toilet, I find unbearable. I agree.

38:03Dana Carvey:We may have lost minutes from our wraparounds. Right, Greg? Not to compare your feature films.

38:13Dana Carvey:This is just a basic question I'd ask someone to do. The film that you were a producer directed, you had a vision of it that most realized it. I mean I I mean I do think Such a horrible question With Pete Davidson I do think like for what was difficult about it Yes Can you tell a fictional version of his story and what he's been through and make it funny but make you really feel it like that tone for me which maybe is a little more of a Hal Ashby tone, which I'm always trying to figure out. The fact that that movie works, I'm really proud of because it's balancing grief and pain, but still trying to figure out how to make people like Pete and Gilbert funny.

39:05Which Hal Ashby movie do you reference in your mind? I always think about the last detail because - This ain't no horse's cock.

39:13Dana Carvey:Yeah, exactly. You meant which Hal Ashby movie. We've all seen the movie. I am the goddamn - I am the - That's a reference with my friends and with my sons. We are the fucking shore patrol motherfucker. Yeah. I mean, that energy where that's a pretty long shot with no edits. And it just, the whole movie feels so real. It feels like a documentary. And I'm always trying to figure out, can you do that with hard comedy and have that aliveness? Yeah. Good. Coming Home, did he do that too? He did Coming Home. Coming Home was crazy. And amazing is I've been Coming Home where they're at meetings with veterans talking about their problems.

39:47and he did a lot of it with real people and improvised it. And some of it is remarkable and very moving. So I always think about him. And I think about Paul Reiser in Diner because he made up most of his stuff and they threw him into it and he created a character. It feels that way. It's so good when you don't know for sure what you're going to say or they say, you know, I get on some of these things. Even in sitcoms, they go, all right, let's do another one and just spade this time dealer's choice, whatever you want. Yeah. And you have five seconds while they walk back to the camera and say rolling.

40:23And then you go, and then you just try something. But it's like a movies too. Just do one. Let's do one for you. Yeah. And then sometimes they will keep rolling. Maybe you do that. And sometimes they do one at a time. I don't mind keep rolling. And sometimes there's a guy there. Like there's some movies, usually on Adams, we have Swartzen or Steve Korn or someone that sits by Video Village. It's a tough job. It's grueling. Yeah, to just to be pitching extra jokes. I did that with Paula Pell on a bunch of movies. I mean, from Saturday Night Live. She's remarkable at the onset. And you get some winners.

40:59Dana Carvey:We'd love to have her on this podcast. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah. She gets, speaking of SNL, what would be your dream team? This is a fucking tough question. You know, I think, I'd like to think of the what might have been team. I like that phrase. Like people that didn't get to full fruition in that space. The Gilbert Gottfried, Robert Downey Jr. Right. Robert Downey was almost a blessing in disguise that he left. Same kind of thing with you and Schein. He was 84 or 5. Is it one year? One year. Who else was really funny? I mean, Terry Sweeney was so funny on the show. Michaela Watkins, you know, people that were there for a year, like Koechner, who was Jenny Slate, who are so good.

41:52Yeah, Jenny Slate, yes. And I mean, Stiller was there for like four episodes. Five shows. Bob Odenkirk was there for a few seasons, but never really could get on as a performer. So I always think about people who are amazing that -

42:05Dana Carvey:You could have put together an A-team kick-ass SNL cast. Conan and Bob were writers with us and they were feature players. They're writer feature players. And I didn't even know it for probably two years because I was told, you know, don't, you know, like Shoemaker or Marcy or someone says, don't write yourself in right away. You know, you're here for a job. And I was like, lucky to be there. But didn't, like you were saying earlier, writing for other people. Not that I didn't want to really. I just didn't know how to. I only barely knew how to write for my own persona, whatever that was. And so I'm trying to think for Dana or think for, you know, whoever else.

42:43So that was hard. And then you get, I don't even know what I'm talking about. I just forgot in the middle. That's all right. That's okay. I'll cover for you. So Conan. Oh yeah, I was saying. But Conan, those guys should have been on. And they were, and then when I heard their feature play, I go, you're not on. And they would once in a blue moon write something and it wouldn't get on. Or just give themselves three lines. And I was like, wow, they're just getting shut out. But what do you think the difference was? because certainly I know that when you and Rob and Dave, I mean, you and Rob and Sandler got there, you were intent on getting on.

43:20It wasn't like, well, maybe I'll be a writer and hopefully I get on. I mean, there was real energy, like I am here to become a star of the show. Yeah, Adam, for sure. From day one, he had such constant. I was more embarrassed to do it and they were doing it. Rob was doing it a lot. And I was like, it's all that, is it fair? And then he got Copy Machine. on which wasn't even i was getting them saying don't do an update piece this week oh you know you're here to write for people put that person as instead of you and i'm like all right i don't want to get fired and schneider just had balls so did adam they put shit in put shit in yeah and warmed out i remember going to schneider to jerry's deli after the copy machine oh really hit and he was as big a star as there is i mean it was just one of those national catchphrases It was a moment and it was hilarious.

44:05I mean, I also love the - Making copies. You put your weed. Oh, that was a big one too. Put your weed in there. Put your weed in there. And so like Schneider was the first one who really broke on the show. What was the sketch that broke you where you thought - I haven't broken yet.

44:20Dana Carvey:A little thing I like to call Hollywood. The receptionist? Was it the receptionist? No, I think it was either that one or Buh-bye. Oh, Buh-bye, that's right. Buh-bye was more overnight where I flew the next day and I heard it every day for at least 10 years. Like every flight for sure. Really? How funny. Just like I still get free peanuts. Iraqi Pete. Iraqi Pete. Iraqi Pete was kind of an incredible swing to have that kind of moment that didn't work. It was like during the Gulf War. What's it funny? I think it was Iraqi Pete. In Adam's defense, I don't think he wrote it. I think it was Frank and going, Iraqi Pete.

44:55And we can have some clown like Sandler come out in a Speedo or something. and you know it's like okay i was one time humiliated because i was not on for probably like 10 shows and then i just you know people in arizona are like you're not even on you're fucking obviously bombing which is kind of true and i was like no what i was and then uh one day after i passed out i was like walking down the hallway after my morning I should have faked it more during read through just to get Lauren to go, Oh, someone carry them out and give them a sketch. So, I go sketch. What do you need? A sketch. You were, were you, I don't remember you being that precarious.

45:39No, I wasn't. But anyway, I'm sort of repainting.

45:42Dana Carvey:You all toured with me. Sandler toured with me. You toured with me. Opening for Dana. It was fucking great. John Stewart open for me. Dave Chappelle. Those are good shows. Yeah. I knew that. Yeah. You could tell right away. By the way, Dana had no trouble following me. I would go on and I would do pretty good. Well, I was going that special in those days. And then he'd walk out and they'd go, push me in the wall. If we're to be honest, Dana is still way better than all of you by far. Like it's not even a question, right? Is this going to be recorded? This is the crowd. I've watched it all. I mean, you guys all killed it.

46:16I've watched it all. Dana, it's other level stuff. The Beatles explaining technology, it doesn't get funnier than that

46:24Dana Carvey:you know the thing is the thing about Judd you know he's a filmmaker makes a lot of pictures people go to the cinema you know with the popcorn whatever they look up everybody's happy laugh laugh laugh and then a little bit of a tear they want to see it again a week later sorry I love being a Beatle yeah you can't I would never follow Dan that's like if you go we're going to do this show and these people are going on I go okay that was my one move once I got there after failure before and after, but I have a great blessed life. When I got there after a little bit of time, I thought, damn, I'm a fish in water now.

46:58Dana Carvey:I'm like, this really fits what I do. The clubs was even tough sometimes because I had no jokes. I literally had not one punchline. It was all rhythm. Before you got to SNL. But when I got there, oh, they want characters, impressions, and catchphrases. I got that. I remember seeing you at Igby's before you got SNL. Yes. And that was a great small club that's now a strip club. And I remember seeing George Carlin perform there. Great. I'll tell you, I mean, watching you reduce like a person to what the impression was, was always amazing. Like, what is your take on it? But the Biden that you do, when I saw you do Biden, maybe it was on Colbert or something.

47:37And I thought, oh, my God, Dana quietly has a better Biden than everybody. Come on. There's a deal.

47:43Dana Carvey:Let's get real. And guess what? Guess what? We do those things as America. I'm going to do better. We're going to do better. I like the yelling Biden now. And then the whisper. We know how to reduce the deficits of people. Come on, folks. Number one, what the guy said. Number two, the two part. Number three, you know the drill. It's not rocket science. Come on, we can do better. We'll do it. What about. I'm still learning him. What about when Kamala Harris is in this. I just saw a clip of her and she starts. She always has a nervous laugh. She's like the Joker. She's like, they're like, they're bombing Ukraine.

48:15She's like. She's like, you wouldn't get it.

48:18Dana Carvey:Well, I just wonder what it'd be like to be married to her because she's very attractive and she's so cheerful. I'd be like, hey, Kamala, we're going to have breakfast. I mean, this seems like a really nice wife. Nervous laughing is troubling. It's troubling, it does. It is a deeply troubling thing. Oh, wait, let me go. I'm skimmed down here. Come on. Shh. Everybody shut up. Let's get some questions. Oh, this one's funny. 2007 Entertainment Weekly. did the smartest people in Hollywood. And guess what Judd got? Number one. What the fuck? Who was number two? I think I beat Will Smith that year. I'm sure you beat, well, you beat everybody, but you beat everyone in Hollywood.

48:59This is unbelievable. You're going really deep in research. Because that's the kind of thing that happens and you go, God, I wish people talked about it more. No one talks about that in 2007. Well, it seems like you're like,

49:10Dana Carvey:we had it with Ben Stiller too, where we looked at his IMB, and it was like, Ben, you're kind of like, whoa. And you have kind of the same thing. Like, oh, he's there. He's producing. it's like the resume is so big I had to take a nap after I read it I have a question no I have a question not about Judd Judd your daughter Maude who you might not know this she's on a show called Euphoria I've seen a few of them Euphoria is a show it's Showtime or HBO every time I watch it I think I know Spade's watching it I watched one and I was horrified Judd I haven't seen that I've never seen so many naked wieners since my fraternity hazing.

49:49I was watching it and I was like, what? This is what they're watching? What happened to Laverne and Shirley? Yeah. And where's the simpler time? It's all gone. I think it's all changed. Silver spoons. But first of all, huge deal that mods on there. I saw her on that and I saw Iris was in the bubble. And Iris was in the bubble. The bubble. Which comes out April 1st on Netflix. Let's talk about the bubble. Yeah. Yeah. The Bubble is my attempt to do something during the pandemic.

50:18Dana Carvey:So what point of the pandemic did it hit you? When did you start shooting it? Because the pandemic - You wouldn't even be allowed to shoot it. Well, now I look back and I think it's almost like a nervous breakdown to want to make something during it. Yeah. The pandemic started in March. Yeah. And by a year from there, I was almost done filming the movie. And so you got it going that fast? Yeah. It was a very, I think maybe I had a manic episode. Were you leading with the protocols then? You had green light for film sets and actual bubbles. Yeah. You were inventing it as you went along in a way.

50:56We were making a movie about making a movie in the bubble while making fun of the protocols, but also doing the protocols. Yeah. And making fun of the need to make a movie due to your ego or your madness. Like that no one needs a movie. There's something more important happening. And we're mocking people who feel it's necessary while actually doing it. The whole thing is very hypocritical.

51:21Dana Carvey:Can we make sure we edit that out and put it on Instagram? Because that's the most meta, that's like hyper meta. Like we have a fake COVID supervisor in the movie who gives terrible advice. And then does he's a real COVID advisor. I mean, the real COVID advisor is giving the same speech five minutes before the fake one is shot for the movie. And you say, look at this clown that we're making fun of. And then you go, well, let's bring out the real guy who's exactly the same. And we're all wearing masks. And then the actors are like chewing their masks in the scene and not wearing them on their ears.

51:50And we're making fun of how no one's wearing the mask. And so the whole experience was strange that way. But it started because I was really getting stir crazy. and I was walking on the beach lot with my friend Brent Forrester who wrote for The Simpsons in the office. And one day we were like, we should just think of stuff. Like we're walking for hours every day. Wasted thinking and walking. Yeah, so we started talking about the NBA bubble. And that started making us laugh like, oh, those guys are stuck in that hotel. What is that like in that hotel? And then I thought, oh, this is almost like a Christopher Guest movie.

52:26Yes. where all the actors are stuck in a hotel, trying to make a movie and having a nervous breakdown. And then they're making a flying dinosaur action movie. And they think it's important they're not tuned into what's happening. And they're having nervous breakdowns and having sex with each other and doing drugs. And it's a sequel. How was it received when you,

52:46Dana Carvey:who'd you pitch it to and how did they receive it? Especially all the CGI and all the big stuff and in the middle of the pandemic. I mean, I told Netflix and - Ted Sarandos, our best friend. I told Scott Stuber. And he certainly got the joke and said, let's go do it. And I said, I'll write a script, but I'll need to be rewriting all through it because it happened very fast. And I hired people that I thought could change it on their feet. Oh, you had – who's the young lady that was in Sasha's last movie? Maria Baklova is in it and Karen Gillan and Keegan-Michael Key and Leslie and Iris. It's packed.

53:21And Armisen is in it and Kate Cannon. She's good. she's incredible she's really good yeah she plays the head of the studio so every time she checks in to see how it's going she's on safari or she's skiing and she's just around the world she's one of the rich people that is skipping the whole quarantine exactly but we didn't have any cases the entire shoot you didn't? because it was only two sets it was a green screen soundstage and the hotel

53:50Dana Carvey:when did the Vax come in by the way? during the filming or when did the vaccine emerge? Were you already filming or did you have two shots and a booster? I never got vaxxed because I was in England and I couldn't get it in England. Okay. But around February in the middle of the shoot, people would walk up to you and say, I got a call that I can get a vaccination at 10 tomorrow so I'm not coming in. Oh, yeah. And that's how it works in England. You have an appointment and you just go. It could be like that, you know, the cinematographer is like, yeah, I'm not here tomorrow. And then slowly the crew And then I'm going to feel like shit for a while.

54:21Dana Carvey:Brits are like that. I'm not going to get the jabber tomorrow, so I won't be there for the best one. I'll just do it as long as you guys smile every time I do it. As long as he smiles. He's giving us so much joy. Is Lennon different than Paul? Lennon is very, very cryptic. We're down here. How is it, Paul? It's great. We're having a good time down here. How are you? I don't know. Just looking around, whatever. I don't want to do any more. I like that. You know my one where he talks to Paul. How would Paul explain TikTok to John? It's very short little clippy things, you know, where people put something on funny and they dance around.

54:56Dana Carvey:It takes about 10 seconds. And if you do it, you're a star all over the world. We did Abbey Road. We did the White Oak. What's going on? But, you know, it's like Kanye West. Who's that? He's sort of a talkie singer. He's a bit maybe crazy. I don't know. Who was he? Did he have a woman? He had a woman named Kim Kardashian for a while. What did she do? Oh, you know, she'd take pictures of her bottom How did she take pictures of her bottom? Well, with a little You know, we have a little television camera In your pocket called an iPhone She'd have to go working, she'd stick her bottom out And she'd take a picture of her, doing the whole bit What's so special about her bottom?

55:35Dana Carvey:It's not a normal bottom It's a bottom 2.0 It's like God made a fanny and attached a person As an afterthought The whole family's doing They're all showing their bottoms, taking pictures One man got so frustrated he became a woman. Boom. That's all I got. We don't have to keep it in here, but I like to entertain the entertainer. I'm here just for that. Where else would it go? This is the place. One of the great things I watched in the last few years pre-pandemic was you and Bill Hader and Mulaney at Largo doing an unproduced sketch. All right. Yes. Which was Casey Kasem and his son who don't get along.

56:12What was the premise of it?

56:13Dana Carvey:Yeah. They don't get along as the Nairnwell son. Right. We all did her first. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. And it completely bombed on Saturday Night Live, like dead silence. Yeah. And then we just got revenge at Largo by doing the exact same. Son, you're a waste of space. You don't really do much with your life at all, do you? Dad, I know you're right about that. You know, it's that kind of thing, back and forth. For 10 minutes. Laid there at SNL, killed in front of 300 people. But I remember that dinner, and I remember that the check came and we were looking around. Who took it? We checked celebrity net worth and - Did you?

56:47Did I pay?

56:48Dana Carvey:Or did you pay? You paid. But I almost always pay. He did? I can't remember. So I was kind of - I have a picture of us from that night. Let's look at the clip. Yeah. Let's put that on Instagram. There's some people. Maybe it was. It should have been. It was a pretty solid Thursday. This might be kind of awkward, but I'd like to do another long McCartney thing. Yeah, go ahead. All right. I'd like to do the last 15 minutes of my special. The other thing I did want to mention, because I do have to promote something, is I put out this book for charity. I had the first book sick in the head, and the money goes to 826, which is a charity that gives free tutoring to kids.

57:24Like, kids could just walk in this place, and they get free tutors. Oh, my wife has comedy books to kids. We pay a lot of money for that tutoring.

57:30Dana Carvey:My wife is a tutor. Yeah. And when I was doing SNL, she would tutor kids downtown, underprivileged kids. My wife, Paula. Yeah, and that's what this is. How in the hell do you know how to teach someone English? Because you went to a good Catholic school. I mean, could you teach English to a kid, a five-year-old, a three-year-old? Like build the grammar and know what a dang participle is? I barely got my kids through anything school-wise. And there were many, many tutors involved. So this book pays for these centers. We give all the money away. And so the new book, Sicker in the Head, has like, you know, Sacha Baron Cohen and Nathan Fielder and Whoopi Goldberg and Letterman.

58:06So what's the general narrative of it? The narrative of it is that during the pandemic, I realized that everyone was home and available to do this. So all these people that I thought wouldn't normally do an interview with me had no excuse to say no because I knew they were home. That's the thinking. And so I called Lin-Manuel Miranda and Letterman and people like that that might normally be too busy. And they have no excuse. Yeah, and also it was kind of an emotional interview because everyone was really thinking about their lives at the time. And be more vulnerable.

58:38Dana Carvey:Could I make an observation? Yeah, please. During the pandemic, I did the sourdough, I did the puzzles, I did Scrabble, watched a lot of movies. Yeah. You made a movie and wrote a book. Yes. Should I see, should I talk to a therapist? I mean, what the fuck was I thinking? I had two years to do something. Yeah, I realized that because I'm promoting the book, the movie, and then in May, me and my friend Michael Von Figlio made a two-part George Carlin documentary. Of course you did. So I thought maybe I had a nervous breakdown for two straight years. And work was the way to deal with it. I guess, because at the time it didn't feel like I was working that much, but probably I was.

59:15But you were busy. You seemed to be always shooting. Yeah. And to stop in your tracks on a dime, like one day we were working that show lights out and they go, just going for the weekend. And we're going to have a no audience on Monday, which we thought was weird. And then even that fast by Monday, don't come back in. And, you know, we have a two week lockdown and we're in the third year of our two week lockdown. So. And I used to listen to all of your interviews with the cast of Tiger King. Oh, yeah, that's right. Because you got everybody. I know. It's so weird. And you got that reporter who had all his tapes burned.

59:46That was an incredible interview with that guy. He was like, this stuff actually isn't funny. They're really just. Yeah. Yeah. And that's why it was interesting. And he was the only one who really told the truth. Dana, you don't even know. I did a deep dive. I was the wolf blitzer of the pandemic. I remember the Tiger King interviews. it was just sort of Pentagon Papers I just hit him up on Instagram some of these people we just found him and said do you want to do it and they go it was mostly because of Joe Dirt yeah because you they all like Joe Dirt yeah so they go oh they're just funny I'm one of them and I'm not going to go after him and I didn't really I let them tell their story Joe Dirt is huge

1:00:20Dana Carvey:in sort of the whatever you call that part of the country the world the world the world while I'm in your house something paid off well you know because I have seven Joe Dirt posters on the way to the podcast room. So the Tiger King himself loves Joe Dirt. That's what I've heard, yeah. Yeah. But I never really chased after trying to play him because it was kind of like Joe Dirt and it didn't seem that fun or appealing, but it was so fun to watch it during then and be a part of it all. And it was such a, it was like the first big thing during the break. Have you seen the new one? I mean, one just came out with Kate McGinnon.

1:00:55Dana Carvey:John Cameron Mitchell. I haven't seen it. I don't know. I haven't seen it yet. I want to see it. Yeah, that's fascinating. But I actually really enjoyed those interviews because you went deep with everyone. So we watched this thing, which always felt watered down. When I watched it, I always thought, this is so much worse than this. And then you would get real conversations with people where they laid it out. So I implore everyone to go down that. That's a good YouTube well to watch. Yeah, they were nice. I'm like, when that tiger chewed off your arm, did you feel that? were you allowed to take a lunch break after?

1:01:29She went back to work after that. Yeah, she did. She went back. That was interesting. I was like, yeah.

1:01:33Dana Carvey:It's interesting how things become such cultural phenomenon, like a wildfire, like a squid game after that. Yeah. I'm talking about Netflix now. Just like, boom, everyone has to see it. Everyone talks about it. A fury frenzy. Can I ask you a question? Yeah. Yes. Because I'm such fascinated by George Carlin. What did you do in a documentary? Okay, Bubbles. When's Bubble come out? The Bubble? April 1st. April 1st. The book is out now. The book you can pre-buy now. And then the documentary about George Carlin. May like 21st or something. What did you take away from that? What did you discover about George Carlin that you might not have known?

1:02:06Dana Carvey:What was your sense after doing a deep dive on him? I didn't really know that much about him because he never mentioned his family in his act. He had no jokes about his wife or his daughter. Yeah. And so I thought, well, I don't know him. Sure. How could I even have to tell this story? Was he a weirdo or was he pretty normal? Well, he was a guy that grew up in New York. His dad used to beat up his older brother. And there's a lot of alcoholism. And the mom ran away with the kids and moved to upstate New York in the 50s and maybe even the late 40s. And then she had to raise him alone. And then he loved like radio and Danny Kay and got into everything through that.

1:02:54But the fascinating part is, you know, he had a very corny career in the beginning. Very hippy-dippy weatherman. Very variety show for a while. And then at some point, like Richard Pryor, he just became himself and grew a beard and long hair and got very edgy. Then he kind of ran out of gas and got soft again, had a heart attack. Yeah. And talked about his stuff and those bits were great, but also very soft. and then he saw Kinnison. And this is the thing we learned.

1:03:21Dana Carvey:Oh, was Kinnison the hook? That he saw Kinnison and he said, I'm not gonna be soft compared to him. And then he went for the rest of his life, he just, Kinnison, Kinnison. You were all diseased is a seminal. Are you talking about post like the seven words? Oh yeah, it was his pretty heyday, right? Like late 90s, he went really angry. I didn't even know that. But still funny, at least you were all diseased is really funny. Like really dark, but also the reason why we made it was because if you go online, whenever anything happens in the news, George Carlin trends and people are putting up clips of his bits about America or about Big Farmer, you know, abortion or corporate America controlling politics.

1:03:59And you realize, unlike most people whose acts age out and they don't really work anymore and no one listens to Lenny Bruce anymore, his stuff gets better and he kind of predicted everything that's happening. Yeah. I saw him at 14. You know, he used to listen to albums, Steve Martin and everyone. And then George Carlin was in the mix and I was like, this guy's fucking funny. No aspiration to be a comedian. Yeah. It was too high up, too good. It was just more like, I saw him at a few times. Kids like comedy, you know.

1:04:26Dana Carvey:Here's an example of a line or just hitting it like, everyone's into the children. We got to save the children. We love the children. You know what I say? Fuck the children. Fuck the children. You go in the classroom and there's one winner and a whole lot of losers. I mean, it was just so politically incorrect. Check it out. You're all diseased. Develop on RCA Records. I think another line of that is like, have you ever noticed that everyone who's against abortion is someone you wouldn't want to fuck? You know, these motherfuckers, these stinky motherfuckers in their fucking tank tops. Let's get them in a, get them in a field, put them on a pestle and shoot them in the fucking head.

1:05:03Dana Carvey:You would say that stuff like that. I'm loosely paraphrasing. He went, he went hard and in the documentary, everyone debates. Did he go too dark? And did it, did it get to like just an angry guy as opposed to an angry guy being funny? I mean, And some people love it. And there are people in the documentary, comedians, some who say they like it. And some people say, I think he lost it for a little while. How did he pass away? I mean, he - He'd had heart attacks. He had a lot of heart problems. And I think he did a lot of cocaine for a long time. It feels like maybe he had some sort of OCD or attention issues that led to the fact that he would do a lot of cocaine and not hang out with people.

1:05:45He would just write. He loved to write. He loved words. And he would listen to music. But there were a lot of years where he was doing that. I mean, we have audio of him talking into tape recorders in the middle of three-day binges by himself. That's pretty scary.

1:06:00Dana Carvey:And people would sometimes go up to him and go, any advice? And he would just say, write everything down. That was it. Yeah. Because he was a master of word for word. Yeah. He didn't riff on stage. He didn't play on stage. That was poetry. It was like, yeah, like he wrote like a show and had to memorize it. When I saw him, he would just sit before the show, just trying to memorize it and do it perfectly. And if someone yelled something out, he was not cool with it. He wanted to run it. His lists, his hooks, big shoes, little shoes, brown shoes, black shoes, boy's shoes, girl's shoes, shoes. Everyone needs shoes, tall shoes, boots.

1:06:35Dana Carvey:Jumbo. And he would make these crazy lists and he's in his seventies, had a couple of strokes and he's just like so articulate. It's a hernia. And a hernia and a she. Oh, I know the thing that you're talking about. Yeah, it's like, should be called a hymnia. Yeah. What we saw was that there was a period where people got bored of him for a little while. And so on Second City TV, Rick Moranis would do this brutally mean impression where he would say things like that and do like, you know, George Carlin starring in Death of a Salesman. And they would make fun of that. They would make fun of him. and there was a moment where Cheech from Cheech and Chong said, George Carlin's over.

1:07:15All he talks about is things like peas, eating your peas. And then that really bothered him and it made him redouble his efforts. So where most people might cave in, he just went hard and said, okay, now I got to show you all.

1:07:28Dana Carvey:I waited on him at the Holiday Inn near the Circle Star Theater. Brought him a bowl of oatmeal, put it in front of me. He goes, oatmeal, drop the O and you have at meal. I said, give it a rest, George. but he did there's no blue food I didn't bring him oatmeal there's blueberries oh yeah blueberries strawberries there's no blue food there's blueberries all right scratch that one you know I just have that theory that eventually almost everyone becomes a caricature of themselves yeah in the arts you know like Johnny Carson had kind of or you'd watch someone and go is that an impersonator or the person because you have your hooks and you have your things and then eventually you're and you get exposed and that's when I pounce later on when they're sad and used up Then I rub it in their face.

1:08:10Dana Carvey:But at least I'm honest. Anything left for Apatow? I have one. One last question. How do you spell Apatow? Because I work for the IRS. One P. One P. And your mom drove a red Corvette. Did they tease you as a kid with Apatow? Hey, it's Judd Appetizer. Did you get any of that? No. I had Dana Carkey's. Dana Carkey's? Dana Carkey's fucked with me. Why did I think of that? But Judd Appetizer, that's what I would have said. I remember they used to call me the nose. Oh. There were things like that. Good job. The nose. It's always weird when people are anti-Semitic when every single kid in your high school is Jewish, but they're still anti-Semitic.

1:08:45Dana Carvey:That's the worst. They just pick you to God. I'm a self-hating white person. Yeah. Everyone can't help bullying. It's so funny about bullying is bullying is worse than it's ever been. And all the data is in. It's bad. You know, like we think, I guess we fixed it. That makes you stronger. That's good for you, kid. It's unreal. It crushes your soul. I just wonder if I was a kid and I was like 10, 11 years old and like Twitter existed. Would I be one of those asshole kids just trying to give everyone shit? Because if I go on it, there's always like people who are trying to find my wound. To get your response.

1:09:19Yes. And if you do respond, they're always like, oh my God, I'm your biggest fan, no matter how cruel they are. And then they start crying if you respond. But would I have been one of those kids? Because I think I would have found it funny potentially to just give people shit.

1:09:30Dana Carvey:I think you might have been until you thought it tipped a kid over into self-harm. I don't think you seem like too nice. No, I mean attacking like someone in the public sphere. Oh, I see. People say mean things. And if I block them, someone will say, hey, don't block my friend. He loves you. And you go, it was the meanest. And they go, he's being funny. But you can't even tell when people are funny that your friends are texting you. You can't tell the tone sometimes. So you don't know what's going on. And then when someone you don't know is like, hey, fuck you. You suck. And then you go, oh, okay.

1:10:01I don't need that guy. I was being funny.

1:10:03Dana Carvey:What's the general meanest thing they say? if anyone can find tape of Dana Carvey being funny, I'd like to see it. There are certain generic put-downs for comedians. No, but there's this podcast, and we've got a partner. If I promote something, they'll just say, I'll watch it if you'll cut an hour out of it. This is 40 minutes too long. How long is the bubble, which is out when? Solid two hours. Two hours and out. Some people want 90 minutes, but the other 30 is the same price. I did Master of Disguise, and then we had to cut it down to 58 minutes. Wait. It didn't even make sense. It's not even legal.

1:10:40It wasn't even a language, because you bailed out.

1:10:44Dana Carvey:You were going to do a Sandler film called Mr. Pete or Sneaky Pete or something? Oh, Puka Pete. Puka Pete. And then you got mad. And so, no, you or Fred Wolf had a falling out. So then I was in line. So I did a read through, and they go, Carvey, you got to go in a week. But anyway, I go, it's not even a movie. Oh, I tell a lot of Puka Pete. It's just words on a piece of paper. we have the crew we have the crew it was cut to 58 minutes and then it has 12 minutes of fake well outtake so it made it had to be a certain length anyway that's my experience with film but the bubble comes I like to promote May April 1st Jesus April 1st April Fool's Day on Netflix the bubble on Netflix love it sicker in the head out now Judd Apatow I saw it two nights ago I you saw it no I got fucked I didn't want to tell bum I really sat down to watch it last night.

1:11:34Dana Carvey:Oh, yeah. I had it on the Netflix. You had your code. Went for the PIN number. Yeah. And couldn't find an email. Talked to these guys. That's what happens to 90 % of the people we send it to. But you were able to watch it. You got in. And what did you do? Listen, I'm a guy that did. Did you enjoy it? I did a wordle in under two hours yesterday. Did you get through it? I got through it. No, did you get through it, David? Yeah, I gave me anything. Do you have any notes? I can change some things. Yeah, what about the ending? What did you think of that trick ending? Yeah. Oh, where was that? where everybody wrapped it up come on you gotta see the first part oh I can't say the ending I just started to say the word helicopter I said a couple things no but they I like Keenan I thought Keenan Michael Kee was funny I thought your daughter did a great job my daughter played your daughter in love that's the funny thing yeah she was great she was very fun on the set and very non-bratty and she plays she looks totally different she's very actressy different hair different haircut plays a TikToker and has millions of followers.

1:12:29They're all stuck in the bubble. That looks like a castle. Is that a hotel? I mean, where did you do that? It's called like Cliveden. I guess there's a famous scandal there where like someone in the government had an affair there. There's like a U Grant movie about it. Haunted kind of house. The Beatles shot help there. Really? Yeah. You did over there? Full circle. Oh, who was the first AD that looks like James Bond a little bit, Daniel Craig? The first AD that looks like - No, he's a studio guy. Who's the guy that comes in and he's always standing in every scene? Peter Serafinowicz. Okay. Oh, he's hysterical.

1:12:56He played the tick in that TV show. That was the answer to my Wordle question.

1:13:01Dana Carvey:It's another jaw impression. So anyway, we'll close it with this. Judd Apatow is here. You know, does a lot of great movies. Drex, Bruce's, Wright's. I would have read all your movies, but everyone knows them. They're all fucking monsters. If there's a pandemic or an earthquake, he just goes right into work mode. I don't know what it is. He called Scott Subra after the big one. We should do an earthquake movie. He's like, well, nothing works right now, Judd. Judd, it's been a pleasure. Thank you for coming. Thanks for coming and being in-house. We've got to have a nickname for this. We're in Spades House.

1:13:29Dana Carvey:You know why I came? Last thing? Because I don't like hearing this Zoom sound. Let's get people on a real microphone. I love it. So we've got two years to figure this out. That's a director that does movies. I totally agree. It's a little bit like comedy waterboarding when you do it on Zoom. You guys, I want to show you one of my five pantries. I have one more thing to say, David. That's it. Let's go. Hey, what's up, flies? What's up, fleas? What's up, people that listen? We want to hear from you and your dumb questions. Questions, ask us anything. Anything you want. You can email us at flyonthewall at cadence13.com.

1:14:05Hey, Dana. Hey, David Spade. The question is, this is from Uvaldo Garcia. Uvaldo Garcia. My question is, is there a common denominator to which SNL alum go on to be megastars and which don't? Or is it as simple as having great characters that capture America's attention? Or is it something deeper? This is a 12-parter.

1:14:25Dana Carvey:Well, first of all, if we knew how to become megastars, we would be megastars. You think we're holding back on that one? Yeah. We went to the megastar symposium where Tony Robbins was teaching it. You got to get it. And his hands were as big as my whole body. I actually went to the megastore, Costco. And, yeah, I would just say that there's an intersection between talent and the marketplace. And when you're young and naive, you go, well, the best band will be the biggest band. That only happened once, and that was the Beatles. The Beatles, yeah. And the best, the funniest guy will also make the most money.

1:15:01Dana Carvey:So get rid of all that. I can go to the comedy store and see three people funnier than me. And they're not doing as well as me showbiz-wise, but it's a combination of a million things. So if you're doing well, a lot of it's luck. But I think you have to bring it over and over and over because everything's a fucking audition. People can lose faith in you somewhere along the way and go, you don't got it anymore. Oh, yeah. if it bombed or whatever, but back in the day, a movie star, if that person had two bombs in a row, you kind of had to go back in line and then wait a lot of years. But again, all you can go back to is trying to do a good job at whatever you're doing.

1:15:37Dana Carvey:But a megastar has a mega mansion. There's not that many left. It's me, Dana, and then I can't even think of anyone. Megastars have, they don't talk about the security, cybersecurity, physical security. Everyone treats them weird. I don't know about the goal of megastar as opposed to like just being funny and employed. I don't know. Did you ever dream about being a megastar? Brad, I feel like has a tough life and he would never say it himself. But I feel like just everywhere you go, if you connect eyes with someone, they go, that's fucking Brad Pitt. And they don't know how to act and they get weird.

1:16:09And even when he meets other celebrities, they freak out. So that's being a mega when you're in a room with other celebs.

1:16:15Dana Carvey:It's too much energy in the room. And I get starstruck by fame. I mean, with Brad Pitt, you know, if I met him, he'd go, we're going to go over here and get some pizza. I'd go, that's a good plan. I like what you're doing. I like being on your podcast, David, because you got good witticisms. I'm Brad Pitt. I'm chiseled. I'm tan. No, but being a sex symbol, and I'll let David speak to this, being a sex symbol has a different energy. There's a megastar, just goofy comedian. But then there's a megastar who's a sexual star. Then you get guys or weirdos in your bushes hiding out. For women especially.

1:16:55Dana Carvey:I'm so glad that I never reached Megastar's status. That's all I'm saying. I hate that I reached it so early. I can go to the grocery store and no one cares. I take the mask off, the hat off. I go, hey, everybody. I went the sexual star route, which was stupid early on. He was a porn star for a wee bit of time. And then I went back to, I just wanted to see what, I don't remember what my old life was. I'm going to be a bus boy again. No, I don't know. That's a stupid answer, but thank you for asking a question. And we've been Dana and David and we've been Don.

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