RE-RELEASE - Marc Maron

24:25So Neil Young's coming over and I'm nervous because it's fucking Neil Young. And like, I, I know that with somebody like him, because I'm not a huge fan, every Neil Young nerd in the world is going to be listening for, for new information or call me an idiot for not knowing something. that's something i've learned with with guys like spring seeing these guys interview so neil comes over with his like 80 year old posse he's got he's got two two guys with him that you know must have been in their 70s elliot his manager who passed away and another guy and it's always the manager is even older than the old guy oh yeah yeah except for uh george shapiro who was carl reiner's cousin younger but still old i don't even know was it called pono i think he passed away Pono, yeah.

25:11Pono. Pono music, digital service. Pono music, yeah. So they come over and Neil walks in and you remember the house. You said it like it's just two rooms. He's looking at my records. He looks at a guitar I have out. He goes over and he plays the guitar and he's looking around. And I say, all right, so I guess you guys can have back the Pono and the headphones. And Neil just goes, no, you can keep them. So I'm thinking, I'm in. This guy likes me, right? Yeah. So we go out to the garage and I decided the way to start with him is just, I have an old amplifier that I think he uses one similar to it.

25:49So I figured that'll get things started, right? So I get Neil out there and I'm like, so you probably recognize that amp there, right? He's like, nah, I don't know what you're talking about. And I'm like, fuck. And then it was just, well, he did though, but I didn't know, no one told me he likes to fuck with interviewers. So he's making me work my balls off. And it wasn't until I got him laughing that it opened up, but it took like 15 minutes. And it was like, it was hard. But then like all of a sudden he pops open. He's talking about doing Pilates with the Daryl Hannah and all this stuff is coming out.

26:21And then apparently he goes home and at his house, Dan Rather is waiting to interview him for Dan Rather's podcast. I don't know. Axis or whatever that was. Right. Cable. And my buddy, Brendan's friend works for Rather. And apparently Neil Young walks in and he comes from my house. He says, I just did a really great interview. And Dan Rather off camera, of course, says, what made it great? He goes, the guy was fearless and he wasn't afraid to fail. And I'm like, hey, that's good. That's a good blurb. Wow. But he tested me. He definitely tested me. Wow.

26:58Dana Carvey:I would freak out. That we had, we had David and I, a similar thing with Paul McCartney. And I don't know if you have or with your personality, but podcast regret. Like, why did I interrupt him then? That was the best part. Why did it take me so long to get there? And I'll be kind of in my head really for a couple of weeks. Sometimes McCartney bothered me for probably a month. I, uh, I get what I get is like, fuck, I forgot to cover the most important thing they're known for. Yeah. But, um, but I interrupt all the time and people sometimes get on me, but it's like for me, But for me, it's like, it's got to be a conversation and I have to be part of it.

27:37So suck it up or don't listen. But McCartney was funny. I had to interview him in front of a crowd. And that was really one of the best moments I've had talking to somebody. Because I talked to a lot of these guys who are like, you know, pushing a record. And a lot of them, like Roger Waters, or like I've interviewed a lot of Thomas Dolby, whatever. They think that the record they're out promoting is their best shit, right? And it's like, all right, I'll play along. So with McCartney, he's out selling. It was at Capitol Records. It was an event. But the record that he had had out was Egypt Station or something, which no one bought.

28:17But I said to him, I said, so, Paul, you know, a lot of artists who were in your age group, they really think that they're doing their best work now. Do you feel that way? and without missing a beat he goes well i was in the beatles so that's a pretty high bar it was so funny that's that's very and i was the guy that told him that manson had died he didn't know huh i think for for me there's a lot of us how where are you in this i mean for i i wanted to

28:48Dana Carvey:ask you musically but also movies but with music what what is there a guy somebody you haven't had yet or who was your true north star was it now was it well roger waters pink floyd dark side of the moon um for me paul mccartney a beetle was kind of the appeal was great and i met ringo recently who i'm sure you've met he's pretty sweet no we would love to interview ringo yeah i met him at some odd listening party that i got invited to by t-bone burnett of ringo's new country record and that crowd was pretty interesting to see these like 75 year old hippie girls who are still kind of hippie girls but they're 75 yeah yeah who had the country out Ringo yeah just put it out yeah T-Bone Burnett produced it and I think he Beyonce did I think she got a little more press but but no for me the North Star I had most of them Springsteen wasn't Springsteen was funny because you know and i just saw him because i did a bit a little part in that that movie they're making about him but i i went to jersey dude i went to his house in jersey like christmas week and he just put that book out and you know it turns out he's a very dark dude very hard on himself but all this stuff but like you know he's got this thing he does publicly that's the other trick getting around people's public personas because you know bruce is sort of like hey me and the guys went down the boardwalk and so yeah he wrote a song yeah yeah we know about all about that yeah yeah it's the underbite i get there and like i said he's up in his house i'm waiting in some sort of like uh this other structure that's got his guitars his motorcycle oh yeah in it and i'm waiting for bruce and he yeah he has no idea really i don't think who i am because he's walking down he's walking down from the house his publisher and publicist said you should do this one and he's walking down from the house i just see him coming down little bruce yeah and he's holding the book and i'm like oh he doesn't know what he's getting into so so he sits down and i'm just i want to break the ice quick because again i don't i'm not i love bruce but i'm not a huge springsteen fan so so i said to him i said uh so uh so what's going on up in the house we had a preparation for the holidays, cooking and presents.

31:12And he goes, correct. And I'm like, can I talk to that guy for the whole hour? Whoever the guy that just went correct with that tone,

31:22Dana Carvey:I want that spring. And, and, and, and what, how did you, did you do that? Did you? Yeah. Yeah. I kind of reeled him in because like, I, by inserting myself into the conversation, they kind of, they're forced to kind of reckon with me unless they're complete douchebags like ben kingsley so and i don't mean to name drop but no names i love i love sexy beast yeah fucking unbelievable it was the the worst interview like i should have told him to leave it was that bad and i don't know why i didn't because he's hung up on because i'm being called sir sir sir ben so i and i didn't do that at the beginning and i wish i said i wish i just said sir been, we don't have to do this.

32:08We don't have to do it. But anyway, with Bruce, I kind of pushed in, you know, and to the point where I was relating to him and his experience with audiences and stuff. And I just remember there was this moment where, you know, we're talking about what you get from an audience and how like it's like not enough sometimes. And he was like, of course it isn't. So I had him locked into a real conversation, which, again, I heard from another person. I got some notes on that, too, because Paul Wilkenfeld, you know, the bass player. He's a little prodigy. He plays with everybody. And she's.

32:46Dana Carvey:Oh, play with Jeff Beckett. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And she hangs around the store a lot and stuff. Well, she was going on a press tour and she, I guess, was somewhere with Bruce and she was asking for advice on how to handle interviewers. and Bruce told her that no matter what they want to talk about you just talk about what you want to talk about just bulldoze and then she said well you know my friend Mark Maron interviewed you and he said yeah he pushed oh that's good well you know I think Arnold Schwarzenegger would say that he'd say you'd ask him a question like what happened with those maids and he goes this movie is unbelievable he's like because you can't use anything but what he says and he doesn't even acknowledge your question.

33:30Dana Carvey:I love that Arnold can never go negative. He had one movie, I guess, Last Action Hero. He's on Matt Lauer. Well, the box office wasn't quite, no, people love the movie and it's a great hit all over the world. You know, he can't ever go negative. The best dance he does is around his dad probably being a Nazi. That's the great dance because he'll always preempt that with like, you know, I have many Jewish friends, you know, like, okay. Okay. He taught us the salute And for us it was just If you want a candy bar You do the salute and he gives you a little chocolate In your hand Things like this And all these things And these people And all this stuff Does he ever talk about that, mate?

34:17We love Arnold He has a relationship with the kids And I think after a certain point You just kind of focus on that Because whatever the transgression was He's owned it And, you know, he's good with the kids. So once everything came out and he finally goes, all right, let's go bench. And the kid is like trying to meet him in the middle. Like I work out. Yeah. You're my dad. Look at my face.

34:42Dana Carvey:Yeah. It is what you can't run from that kid. You have to move on. It's a lesson. I mean, one of my brothers, I've got three older brothers and we always say, what would Arnold do? Only for the positivity of it. it is what it is and you have to move on and I love everybody and it rather than negative and whiny but it seems to me like anxiety is like a theme or depression of artists in some ways so you go with that did you because Springsteen's old book is about that oh yeah well that was the great thing about talking to Arnold is that he won't let you do that he he's got a switch in his head like he won't even hear it like you know and he's very charming like he you know yeah like he you You know, he gets on, he sits down, he goes, look at your pecs.

35:27You know, he goes right into it. And you kind of feel flattered. You're like, oh, thank you. Somebody skip dealt day.

35:36Dana Carvey:You know what he said to us? He goes, how do you guys stay so lean? You know, because you're little. And the whole thing now is to get little because the little dogs live longer than the big dog. I'm literally quoting him. You're so little. The whole time, he's not listening to our questions. He's just staring at our physique going, look at that rib cage. I need to get small. When you get older, you have to be small because the heart and all the things has to work harder and all the things and all the people. I think his heart kind of blew up, didn't it? He had some work done in there.

36:16I have another question for Mark. This is my second one. Mark, do you think You don't remember this, you were in the movie Joker Now, do you think that Did you think What happened to the second Joker in your Humble opinion? I don't know what, I think Todd Phillips convinced himself that he was Actually an artist of some kind And decided To take this interesting cinematic Risk that You know, failed Miserably apparently, but I didn't see it. Did you? I heard about it. I couldn't get through the poster.

36:52Dana Carvey:I didn't see it. I just I couldn't take when I

37:00I love Todd Phillips. I think that's one of those things as I backtrack. I think it's one of the things where great movie. Dana was about to say some comments, but the same thing. Great movie. And then it's just crazy if you can do literally anything you want. And he just goes, let me just try this will work or won't work. Well, the interesting thing is, is he, he had a, you know, he'd rebuilt a good franchise possibility by really exploring that character in the first one. So weird and cool. And, you know, it was, I don't know. He was nice to me and that was an exciting day because, you know, I got to do like a little scene with Robert De Niro and, you know, I thought that movie was pretty good that first Joker but who the hell knows why you know he's a gambler dude you know he just is like you know fuck it let's do it and yeah I don't know what's his

37:56Dana Carvey:net worth I mean he has freedom I think if he got a back end on the hangover dude he got a back end on everything he's like I think known for forgoing a director's fee super back yeah for a high percentage of the back end but that scene with De Niro was like that was that was a great that's a great moment for me because you know i you know i know that deniro's not he's not gonna remember me you know i'm just one of those guys that he's met a hundred guys that do two lines with him right you're forgettable yeah yeah and uh i know it's painful but uh but we're chatting and whatever you know but it's one scene where we do a walk and talk you know and i'm supposed to be like you know his producer those are hard by the way they are kind of home it got cut out but uh but that you know we you know todd's there and bob's there and and it's like you guys just want to go you ready to do it i'm like yeah let's yeah let's do one so so we do this walk and talk and i'm like yeah yeah yeah yeah and uh and philips goes cut and i go back to my chair and i see robert go to his chair and i see robert walk over to todd and then walk back to his chair and then then todd walks over to me and he goes hey you're you're coming in a little hot

39:17remember bob's your boss i'm like yeah yeah yeah okay i got it but you got to appreciate the fact that bob handled it correctly on set he wasn't told the director like hey you know i think he's you know he's not really yeah yeah he's in all his name again yeah yeah yeah will you tell him tell him tell mr maron yeah yeah i had a girl say it to my face she said it was just an oh i did an old movie and then uh i had to kiss a girl i won't say who i had to kiss her and i said hey before and i don't know how i've never done this on camera like she goes just kiss me like i'm your girlfriend i just anything i don't care and i said all right so i i just kiss her not not crazily i just kiss her but i touch her cheek and kiss her and they go cut we're all like okay and the director comes up and she says she's not even one foot away from my face she goes can you tell him not to touch my face wow and him was me she did the correct way she told the director but i just ran maybe thinking that because i was like i was horrified i'm like oh because you know kissing someone is so too it's so scary and you just don't want to run that's interesting though right that's interesting because she said, kiss me like she's your girlfriend.

40:33But apparently the intimacy of the hand touch was not something she anticipated. Or maybe she just has never had a boyfriend that she let touch her face. Yes. And I wasn't like a super French-a-thon. I was just trying to like give her a little mega. You know, you just kiss a little bit. It's nothing crazy. It's a cute little movie. Nobody gets hurt. And you never know what's going to happen with those things, you know? So you kissed Bob De Niro. I got like him. I did. That was off camera. That was crazy. You go, hey, I'm ad-libbing. Yeah, yeah. I'm improvising. Can we improvise? But were you scared?

41:06I did a quick scene in the old days with William Dafoe in my very, very old days in a part that Dana turned down during SNL. And Paul Schrader was the director. And I was almost sick from nerves. And William Dafoe, super cool. Did one scene, same thing. He wouldn't remember in a million years. But of course you get to your nerves just ramp up. Mine were, it's De Niro. It's still, no matter what, it's De Niro. I felt okay about it. Cause I don't know. Like, I think I'm getting better at acting, but the benefit, I talked to Willem Dafoe, not a great time. Not a great time. Not a great time. We've had some toughies on here too.

41:47Some are toughies. Yeah. I don't, I don't know if I said something to piss him off, but it was like, come on, dude. You know, it's like, just roll with me. Give me something. For fuck's sake. I gotta look at your face for an hour so he's got a lot of character in his face he's a great character it's not a negative thing necessarily it's intense it's an intense face to stare at for an hour but no in terms of nerves I think doing the podcast helped me a lot in humanizing these people because like you know after a certain number of celebrities you talk to you're like wow they're just people and some of them you know, aren't even that interesting.

42:25So, uh, so knowing that, it's true. And it's not a bad thing, but, uh, I, I, I seem to qualify a lot of things. That's not negative. I'm not, I'm not positive.

42:40Dana Carvey:The qualifier. Mark Maron is the qualifier. What happens when you go, Hey Bob, when you want to, if you ever want to buzz over to the Glendale, why don't you pop in and I'd like to talk to him, but he's, he's one of those guys I can't get. There are certain directors. chatter though that's not probably he's got more chatty he's got who are we talking about i missed deniro bob deniro oh but like in terms of nerves i was i was more nervous when i had to i just did an indie where i had to play the lead and that was a real that i was nervous about that because you know i had i knew i had to carry the movie but i'd learned a lot of lessons from a lot of actors and i was pretty confident and then i had to do a scene with sharon stone and it it was a life-changing terrifying thing that was kind of amazing and i was nervous to do a scene with her yeah and uh she's kind of intimidating big star that's a big dude big star yeah it was crazy i think i gotta save the story for when and if the movie ever comes out because i told it and i don't want to necessarily spoil anything but she did the movie because she likes me and it's one scene and it was great and lily gladstone was in it uh alan ruck uh michael mckeen played my manager oh love him yeah the what's his name jason is it jason no it's not jason no the kid from um oh now i feel bad oh he was so fucking funny silver spoons bateman no you know the one who used to do the apple commercials was involved with you barrymore Justin Long.

44:15Justin Long. Oh, Justin Long. Funny fucker, that guy. Yeah, I like him. Oh, my God. So fucking funny. But I was nervous about that. But I just did the best I could. It's all you can do, right? Does anybody call you after your podcast? Who has asked for the most to be taken out? Don't people go take this out, take that? Or do you say no? No, no. I'm not in the business of sandbagging people. It's not our jam. That's our business. Well, that's good. I hope I gave you enough ammo. You get a little sand. Not enough for a bag. Almost always, I would say always, it's only because they said something about somebody else.

44:55That probably couldn't have even been taken in a negative way. Sure. It's never like them. Yeah. Like, just like, you know, I didn't have to say that about, you know, we're kind of friends. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It comes off funny and then later they go, what if they get mad or what? Yeah. Yeah. And people do get mad. Everyone's talking too much. That's the problem with everyone having a fucking podcast. It's like, you know, actors, you know, are just coming out with like, well, 20 years ago. It's like, oh my God, we can't get out from under this thing. No one shuts up anymore. I see ones and now it's like full sex life.

45:26People just have nowhere else to go. So now it's like, here's everything in my life. Here's about my plastic surgery. Here, follow me and my camera into my plastic surgery and my, you know, kidney operation. What are we doing? Yeah. Or people talking about, you know, moments they had with people like 20 years ago. Not even that. Just like awkward moments. And it's like, why'd you even have to do that? I mean, what was the point? But some people are like, it almost seems like they're making up horrible things because they're running out of content. I know. They have a big announcement and you're like, it happens to be your 100th episode.

46:03Dana Carvey:Well, we know what would trend and get pickup. you know i don't i really i don't you never really know what they pick up sometimes you do well it is surprising but if you have someone on and they're being very revealing and you know that you're getting a scoop they have not talked about this like robin you kind of it's gonna trend but but it well they've been on five podcasts by the time they get to us right well no that's a problem but with robin there was no trending hadn't happened yet so okay and it was quite a lot of hoops to jump through just to get him to do it. And, you know, it just worked out because I was a comic and I'm also like a dark side and there was no one else there that we got this conversation.

46:45And thank God we did because it seems to be the only one. He literally talked about depression, addiction, suicide at the end. Both him and Jonathan Winters did riffs on suicide at their NDD interviews. And Jonathan Winters, that was crazy. I went to Santa Barbara to talk to him. How did he pass away? Was it a watch? Jonathan Winters, he passed away in character, which is weird, so it's not clear whether he really dies. He was actually Ma

47:10Dana Carvey:Frickard, and they buried him in the dress, which I thought was inappropriate. He's a guy that my dad used to tell me, now this is common, and he was funny, and then when Robin was like, oh, this guy, but I couldn't appreciate it growing up. I just thought he was funny. I didn't know how good, you know, you can never really tell. I thought they were all those characters. What Jonathan Winters did was very specific and very detailed it was not just ad hoc he was out there dude he was like out there like it was there's i had a beautiful moment with him in his house it was and i always tell the story i don't know if it really lands so that's a good setup uh yeah but give us the unlandables okay well we're at his house i'm already in i'm all in john the winners and you're talking he You know, he's like he's got this sort of weird, you know, childlike thing that, you know, he in his house, they had moved his bedroom because he was kind of hobbling around with a cane.

48:07And he wore a like a Union Army colonel's brimmed hat. But we were walking down this hallway. He wanted to show me what he said. I want to show you the planes. Right. So what that ultimately was is that he has this four-poster bed in this bedroom and hanging from the ceiling are all these model airplanes. That's the destination we're heading towards. But we're walking down this hallway past just pictures from a career in show business. There's Jonathan Winters in every star you could imagine. And then he stops and he points to this old-ass picture of this boy with a puppy. And he goes, I miss that dog.

48:50And I was like, oh, my gosh. You're like this whole life of entertainment. And that's what, you know, the dog. He's a little kid. Sweet, right? That's supposed to be sad, David.

49:03Dana Carvey:That's kind of interesting. I know someone who had dinner at Danny Kaye's house. Yeah. And he was very quiet during the dinner. And they're letting everyone out. It's the same kind of thing. Hall of Fame wall, Danny Kaye pictures. Someone asked one question. Then it was two hours, photo by photo. here i am with jack benny here i am here and i'm here they were almost out of this have you watched any of those like not the not the the dean martin roasts but there's footage somewhere i don't know where i found it with some streaming service of actual priors club roasts that were done oh yeah i might have seen one it's always the same guys and it's not a great day as henny youngman's always there and they're they literally have him on and you can tell the reason they have him on is just because he doesn't roast anybody.

49:49He just does his horrible jokes. So they just have him on to bust his balls. What was so interesting about so many of those is just how horribly unfunny some of them are.

50:02Dana Carvey:The one who always got me, and I'm curious about old time, and here we go again, was always as a kid was Don Rickles. The best. Just the funniest. And dry. like weird, no joke like get Ed a cookie, put him in the corner pack him in ice, he doesn't know the show started there's no real jokes, it's the rhythm it's the rhythm and the sense of mayhem that he doesn't know exactly where he's going if you wrote it all down, you couldn't find a funny joke in there, look at this, did that suit come with two pairs of pants and a hockey puck? what does that mean? it sounds like a joke though the show started, okay funniest fucking guy Ed's over there going, oh.

50:46Yeah. That's it. Give him a cookie. Give him a cookie. Yeah. The funniest line he used to live, when he did those roasts and there were some of the old Hollywood guys there, like Cary Grant or Jimmy Stewart, he would say, Jimmy, I talked to the family. You're doing fine.

51:05Dana Carvey:That's so funny. I know. You just can't be told. Jimmy, do you know where you are? Yeah. Do you ever see that, the Clint Eastwood roast? He said one of the funniest things and the most honest thing I ever heard. It was the best. It was one of those, you know, AFI big, you know, it wasn't a rose. The tribute. So he gets up, he says, you know, he still opens with, I don't know why I'm here. I thought this was a tribute to Merv Griffin or whatever. But they've had a whole evening at this point. And he says, what a wonderful evening. He says, Clint, your son played bass. We sat through that.

51:45it's such a rip it's so good everyone kind of laughs like they had to cut to the kids who you know took it well in the moment but probably you know not great and like that everyone was drunk was funny they were like he goes oh i had a few drinks back he's so funny when he that that older rickles on letterman with denzel washington that is so funny. What does he say? Look at the black guy over here. Well, no, it was a little post that, but he just kept busting on Letterman, mumbling. He wouldn't let up on Letterman. Letterman opens with, like, you and Frank have been friends a long time, and both your wives are named Barbara, right?

52:26And Rickles goes, what are you, a detective? Listen to this guy.

52:29Dana Carvey:Yeah. I've seen that. It's the best. That's so awesome. yeah those old roasts the dean martin those are the coolest ones good yeah they're great because it was like everybody in hollywood it felt like hollywood was like a nice little town full of these special people and now they just let anyone in have you been roasted on the any of these roasts comedy central and or would you do it if you haven't volunteered to be roasted i don't i don't mind being roasted i had one of the worst nights of my life on the dais of the chevy chase for us oh that's a famous one right because that was one of the early ones yeah i was one of the guys and you know all i can say i could say more but you know after that i was in a room at that that fucking hilton in new york with my buddy sam almost on the verge of tears thinking like i can't do this i can't do comedy anymore i can't do it anymore it was so fucking i bombed so hard so hard and i'm not good at that i'm better at chevy does and i think back then i was thinking wait this is the first roast i'm seeing where not everyone is great friends with them so it's a very odd vibe like i don't think they could have gotten they couldn't get hitmen yeah we didn't know that back then i mean i just thought i used to see dean martin and they go hey there's my buddy over here buttons yeah but to go any snl people there and i had pretty good jokes but i but but by my nature if i'm insulting somebody i i really mean it to to it's hostile and i don't have the by my nature i don't have the the distance necessary to make it funny but i had good jokes and thank god they sweetened the fuck out of it but in the room i tanked hard and so did a lot of people how big it's not a big crowd is it no it was like 2000 the pain on chevy's face watching it he didn't want to be there he didn't want to be there pain because it's it's oh is this what they think of me it's like me doing an impression to someone if they get upset it's like oh is this how i'm coming across it's the ultimate mental yeah game i mean david you did one right i did one i wouldn't get roasted because it's actually good money got roasted but you were the mc i said i'd host one i don't even know why because all you have to do is be in the vicinity and you're fucked you know yeah so i mean i remember that i found that out because I was watching one and they go, speaking of anal warts, Andy Dick's here tonight.

54:59And then they put in the crowd and they put a spotlight. He goes, wait, me? I came to watch. I'm not even on the fucking dais. Like I didn't know it was fair game. They're like, no, we know where you're sitting. We got a camera ready for you. And so 20 guys writing jokes about everyone in this fucking room. I got lucky because I was, I was the host. So I was going to get it, but who came in at the last minute we had a fallout and coulter and so afterwards jeff ross said you know you had you had probably the most jokes that you were going to get hammered with that you weren't ready for and at the last second everyone shifted those to ann coulter and i was like oh thank god i only got some they all sting i hated them all uh i'm not good at getting roasted i'm I'm like, it's like a thousand stabs, you know, death cuts.

55:52But Jesus, Ann Coulter, that's like giving the evening cancer. Where were you? There's our trender. There's our trender. Thank you. Thank you, Martin. She came up with her book and she was, she was Teflon. She walked up with her book and just started plugging it. She didn't, in fairness, I don't think she knew what she was getting into. She thought it was like some sort of promotion. She brought her book up the day. And everyone's basically saying, hey, fuck you. It was pretty, pretty rough. So I thought it was a diplomatic word for her. I can think of it. Yeah. Yeah. But Jewel was there getting funny jokes.

56:28Anyway, overall, it was a pretty fun roast. And we can talk. I can take a shot. I don't mind getting hit. You know, I don't think I'm in the position. And so everybody wants to ever get roasted as an evening. But I don't mind. Here's a couple minutes roasting. No, I have a glass jaw. I can't. I was out there going, and then I wrote it down. I hate you now. I hate you now. I hate you.

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58:32Dana Carvey:I don't read comments. David reads comments. Do you read comments about your podcast much? Are you good with that? I don't. I seem to be pretty disengaged from Twitter. I don't do the other ones that much. I'll look at Instagrams and occasionally I'll look at messages or posts on Instagram. but i i don't you know and i do get emails sometimes but i i i got out of that because they all you know a a troll that's worth his salt is going to really hit you where it hurts so you know yeah and you know when you read them the part of your brain that lives in this real the real world we live in goes like well that's just part of it but the the the really is sort of like jesus christ is that fucking true and and then you've got to process that i don't have yeah I can't detach from it, but they land, but not for that long.

59:24Yeah. Someone, you know, I think I look to see if there's enough feedback, positive or negative. Sometimes you can try to have constructive criticism. If they say, yeah, you're always doing this, or you always do this, or I wish you would change it. And then you go, God, enough people said that something's up, you know, I have, but if it's just random, I get a lot of snipers just randomly, almost, almost a hundred percent of the time. if I answer them or I DM them. No, no, don't do that. Say, do we got a problem? They always go, oh my God, I'm your biggest fan. Or they're nicer. That's right. But some might just come kill me.

59:57So it's really a dangerous game to be honest.

59:59Dana Carvey:Do you listen to your podcast? No. Have you ever? Yeah, because Conan told me a while back, never has heard an episode. So I took that advice because I would get too much in my head. In the part times I hear it, I - I don't listen to it. I can't watch my own special. He gives you notes. I can watch my own special. No, but my producer, like, since we're still audio and that's our game, he's a very meticulous, very brilliant guy. But the weird thing about not listening to the podcast and only having memory of the conversation, like, you know, that's fleeting. You know, you can only remember certain things from conversation.

1:00:34So, if I ever have a question about something I discuss with somebody, my producer has become, like, my active memory. Because he spends a few hours with it. And he remembers everything. and he's like well you talked to so and so about that i have no recollection and so i i really need him just to be you know my my functioning memory of these things

1:00:57Dana Carvey:yeah um i'm i was just curious earlier today like when we talked to guests and stuff like for you are as consuming art or like movies or are you into that i mean movies or music or totally is um pat oswald we started talking about movies and he just oh boy that's a that's a long conversation yeah yeah okay we don't have to go i don't know what you're you know but i remember it was the killers uh from 1958 oh yeah here we go anyway um 2001 in space i'm try to guess your favorite movie okay that would be tough or your top or i guess that you see more than once yes of course here's here's a question if you could only watch one movie tonight would it be 2001 or planet of the apes original those are my only two choices what did you let patten oswald get in your head i know that's left over i didn't talk to the producer i already asked that question okay you give us two movies three days of the condor or alien oh wow yeah well you kind of kind of have to go with Alien on those two.

1:02:06I mean, Three Days of the Condor is great, but like, I would imagine you'd probably get a little more, if you really kind of a savored Alien and didn't overwatch it, it could probably be still pretty jarring, whereas Three Days of the Condor, you're kind of like, alright, I know it's jarring. Well, that's Robin Redford and who? Red Dunaway, maybe?

1:02:26Dana Carvey:Was it Faye Dunaway? Faye Dunaway. Oh. Yeah. Condor? Where are you, Condor? In the pocket. it i didn't know what that movie's about and i watched it honestly a year ago i i always heard about it oh it's a weird name i'm like why would i go to this fun fun cool movie i like alien changed movies alien changed movies that was great i watch i've been watching a lot of movies i'll go to the theater to watch movies like i like going to the movies because i'm pretty close to the americana and i'll go see shit and i watch the old movies like i just watched the conversation again because i didn't really get it the first time i should watch that again gene hackman 1975 yeah well look at you with the fucking google i uh no no that's all here okay uh no but like i remember seeing it years ago and i was like this is slow because i didn't lock in but like gene hackman doing almost anything he's kind of amazing it's unbelievable i talk about him all the time yeah that he's a freak he was he's always laughing in his movies chewing gum so great I did watch the Tom Cruise movie The Firm The movie's great and he's fucking crazy If you haven't seen the movie The Firm it's like a surefire great movie Go ahead It's like a Sidney Pollack movie People don't realize that there are these movies that these geniuses made So that's a full on just because it's a Grisham book doesn't mean it's going to be hacky Pollack did that movie and the cast was crazy Crazy.

1:03:57Crazy. It doesn't mean it's going to be hacky. Yeah. True. Well, what was the other one? I mean, Coppola directed The Rainmaker. And that's another one. That's fucking great. Another John Grissom book. Yeah. But that's like, it's Matt Damon, Danny DeVito, Mickey Rourke. I thought that was McConaughey. That's not McConaughey. No, that's another one. That was, it was earlier. But The Firm is great. The Firm is great. Terry Keeney. Yeah. It's great. And Wilford Blimerly. Wilford Brimley's the heavy He's so good He's the heavy man Gary Busey Gary Busey Gary Busey's in it and what's her name The genius actress Holly Hunter It's not Jean Triplehorn Jean Triplehorn yeah Is she in it?

1:04:47Dana Carvey:And Tom Cruise being Tom Cruise Fucking Ed Harris is in it too It's an insane cast and then hackman hackman leading the charge him trying to seduce his wife down in the caribbean and then god and he knows she's conning i mean it's he's effortless it's just so fascinating to watch dean hackman you know kidding dude but what else did i watch recently i tend to watch like lately i've been like i just want to watch the beginning of this to get a couple laughs you know and then i'll be up till two in the morning watching the whole fucking movie I watched the other guys the other night just because I wanted to watch the beginning to get a laugh from those two Will Ferrell it's so fun that thing with The Rock and what's his name Mark Wahlberg Sam Jackson jumping off the roof that is hilarious and the two of them together when Wahlberg focuses man he's good at comedy he can do it dude yes he's good in a lot he does a lot of stuff yeah how's this movie with you and theo vaughn what's what's that about uh bus boys is uh it's a beating we're doing it right now it's tough it's hard to do because it's small budget indie but it's super fun because is it small budget indie yeah well it's just us we we put it together we put money in and we just said we just want to go try it and yeah and then decide what to do with it that's scary like yeah yeah don't Don't go pitch it.

1:06:20Don't go around to say it. He seems like he's got enough juice. I mean, someone will see it, but I thought Burt had enough juice too to put his little movie over the top, but I don't think it got there. But I mean, you know, people will watch it. People like Theo, they like you.

1:06:32Dana Carvey:What comedies are just live streaming now? We don't know. We might do it straight to video. I mean, straight to consumer. Straight to video, yeah. Straight to video. The 90s are calling. We're going out. It was so old. That reminds me of like one time I was like, this is in the last five years. I was at the comedy store, right? And out of the darkness, like Steve Kravitz just emerges. He's Steve Kravitz from San Francisco. Yeah. He's still here, dude. I saw him the other night and he's okay. You know, he's okay. Oh, good. I don't think that was funny. Yeah, he was funny. But like, I just remember he was like, it was like, you know, he's 70 something now, but it was just a few years ago.

1:07:12And he's like, I don't know how the business works anymore. I'm like, hey, where do I send my tape? And I'm like, maybe to 1985? Maybe you send the tape? Maybe to the Denunzio brothers at the Funny Bone. Isn't that somebody? Yeah, it is. They used to watch you. I used to send my tape to the Funny Bone, my half-inch VHS. And they're like, they must have a pile of tapes. I'm like, it's been a whole day. Are they going to watch it or not? They don't give a fuck. Oh, my God. I remember there was a booking agency in Boston called Boston Comedy Company. Barry Katz used to run it out of the basement apartment.

1:07:45in a building in Alston. And one of the women who would get tape submissions, and she was dating somebody like we knew, like we got hold of a couple of the tapes. And there's this one tape of a guy that's clearly in his basement or in his bedroom, and he's doing jokes. And he's got a friend dropping a phonograph needle onto a laughter track on a record. So, he would do a joke and he'd literally hear the needle drop. oh funny and then pulled back up

1:08:16Dana Carvey:that's a good idea that's like an analog lo-fi world kind of something charming about that well Mark before you let it go I gotta ask you about one movie and then we'll ask Dana if he has any wrap ups but uh you've been very nice to talk I see Mark at the comedy store now and then we always have a little chat a couple laughs and uh then we get our 48 dollars we get the fuck out of there yeah and um I oh someone said today that to Leslie you were very very good and they loved you and they heard I was talking to you. So, oh, well, that's nice to hear. I definitely, I did the work on that one. Like, cause like, I don't know how, like I, I always wanted to act, but I know I'm okay at it and I got better, but I still never, I'm still like, it's, it's, it's not, it's not necessarily an exciting job.

1:09:01I mean, there's a lot of waiting around, which makes me crazy. For sure. But like, I was trying with that movie. I didn't want to do it. And the director kept bothering me because I was still kind of fucked up. It was during COVID. Lynn had passed away. And the guy kept bothering me. And the role is like this kind of slightly beaten up Texan guy. And I'm thinking, there's like nine or 20 fucking cowboy character actors you can get to do this. Why me? And finally, he gets through. He gets me on the phone. He's like, well, I really liked the last season of Marin. I'm like, oh, so you do like me.

1:09:40all right i'll try and i told him like i don't know about the accent he said don't worry about the accent and then i realized like dude if you're gonna do this you know take a risk you know no one's gonna see this movie it's like it shoots in like two weeks on film out in the desert here so i worked with a dialect coach and this is funny you'll probably get it dana yeah you will too i guess because it's just a reference that no one fucking gets but i'm talking to the dialect coach and I'm like how do I do a Texan accent she's like well there really is no Texan accent specifically but I think we'll do Lubbock and I'm like okay Lubbock so he sends me you know the the phonetics and then she sends me some tapes of what I think are the Lubbock accent and it's just like like a few like behind the scenes Grammy interviews with Mac Davis and I'm like this is The only example of loving is Mac Davis.

1:10:38Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I love Mac Davis for sure. Yeah. He's a good, he's a funny actor too. But, but yeah, well, I appreciate someone saying that because I definitely put the work in and I was willing to fail with the accent, but I think I did all right. And the only reason I had confidence to do that was before I interviewed James Caan, I was watching movies of the early movies of his and all these guys try accents and very few of them are any good at it. So I'm like, well, fuck it. If he's going to take the hit, I can take the hit, you know? Yeah.

1:11:05Dana Carvey:The Australians are great at accents for some reason. And a lot of the Brits are, but the Americans, I don't know. You know, secondhand compliments are the best. Like when David hears someone say to him, you were great in the movie, right? That's the best way to hear it. Because you know, they're not saying. It's legit. She was like, oh my God. Oh, by the way, you see Marin's special. It was fantastic. Yeah. It's nice to hear. Did someone say my wife did somebody say that? No, that's a fictitious scenario. You do specials, you do a podcast, and you're a damn good actor. You've got a series. I'm just saying.

1:11:36Dana Carvey:I mean, I don't know any other. You're like a triple and an author. Yeah. I do what I can. I do what I can at the level I do it at. And I'm glad I've had all the opportunity, and I keep trying to get better. What can you do? It's just how much joy can you get out of your incredible life. Yeah. Well, the joy thing, that's a whole other thing. I mean, that's another. Forget about that. Less miserable, less miserable. Another podcast. And in terms of like talking about SNL, I didn't get it. Oh, okay. Thank you. For the people that waited till the end. All right. Well, that's a perfect end of a podcast.

1:12:16Dana Carvey:Take care, man. Take care, man.

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