In short
The episode is a two-part interview revisiting Rob Schneider’s comedy career and personal history, framed around how he and long-time SNL/stand-up peers built resilience, developed material, and navigated humiliation and success. It also includes an Audible promo for Heads Will Roll: Air Apparent and a comedic ADT/Orkin-style ad segment.
Guests
Dana Carvey (describes early shared stand-up history and psychological/parental dynamics of comedians), David Spade (co-host/participant; discusses confidence vs talent and SNL/stand-up mechanics), and Rob Schneider (the main guest; Bay Area/SNL comedian and film star).
Guest backgrounds
Carvey and Spade are veteran SNL-era comedians with long Bay Area roots; Schneider is known for films like Grown Ups, The Hot Chick, Deuce Bigalow, and The Animal.
Key claims
Schneider credits extreme sensitivity/vulnerability and “generational trauma” (via therapy) for his comedic drive; bombing becomes “instructional.” He describes headlining as “warfare” because audience laughter drops when checks arrive.
Notable examples
childhood tide-pool embarrassment; his mother breaking glass during conflict; a Milwaukee show where he “mentally broke”; “Elvis on a fishhook” as a repeatable SNL runner; and his Japan Elvis-impersonation stint with strict performance demands.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VORevisiting Rob Schneider
2:58 to 4:32
Dana Carvey and David Spade discuss their history with Rob Schneider and share fun anecdotes.
“These are just really fun because I can get a sense of you.”
Comedic Insights and Sensitivity
4:32 to 9:29
The hosts delve into personal stories about sensitivity and resilience in the comedy world.
“So many thoughts are flying through my head.”
The Struggles of Stand-Up Comedy
9:29 to 14:00
Rob Schneider shares his experiences with bombing on stage and how it shaped his career.
“And it's just depending on who, you know?”
The Struggles of Stand-Up
14:00 to 15:00
Learn about the challenges and feelings comedians face while performing.
“It's like when you're performing and you don't, you're not an adult, people are concerned about you.”
The Ego in Comedy
15:00 to 17:00
Explore the role of ego and vulnerability in a comedian's career.
“But it's instructional though because at the same time, what I didn't realize and now is to realize, you know, through years of therapy, like I feel like I'm Charles Grodin.”
The Art of Comedy Writing
17:00 to 19:34
Discuss the importance of writing and the dynamics of headlining shows.
“I'll say at the end of the podcast, who was the hardest guy to follow?”
Navigating Stand-Up Challenges
20:04 to 22:20
Understand the difficulties comedians face during performances and how to overcome them.
“But I do think the charisma, because there were alpha male comics that were like bludgeoning the audience and killing with just sort of energy and crowd work and stuff.”
The Comedy Scene in San Francisco
22:20 to 26:00
Discover the unique environment of the San Francisco comedy scene and its influence on comedians.
“I see someone like slow motion going, oh, let me get my visa.”
Nostalgia for Comedy's Golden Age
26:00 to 28:00
Reflect on the nostalgic elements and key figures of the comedy scene.
“You don't mind me saying, it's just a fact.”
San Francisco Comedy Scene
28:00 to 29:08
Explore the vibrant San Francisco comedy scene and its nostalgic impact.
“the City Lights bookstore it was a place you'd go they printed their own books.”
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The Pressure of Comedy Competitions
29:08 to 30:11
Learn about the high-stakes environment of San Francisco's comedy competitions.
“But Dana would do this thing, and he told me this.”
Learning from Icons
30:11 to 31:29
Discover how learning from comedy legends prepares performers for success.
“But to learn the craft and to learn at the high level that you were at.”
Preparation for SNL Audition
31:29 to 32:51
Hear about the rigorous preparation and nerves leading up to SNL auditions.
“Managed Belushi and Actroyd telling you this.”
Tiny Elvis Performance
32:51 to 34:16
Understand the journey of becoming 'Tiny Elvis' and its hilarious impact.
“So I did like, I was, you know, Elvis is what, when I first, before, you know, I was always into Monty Python.”
Living in a Hole in the Wall
34:16 to 36:10
Experience the struggle of living in a budget apartment while pursuing comedy.
“And then it just murdered so hard that I was like, that was it.”
The Unfortunate Demise of a Landlord
36:10 to 37:54
Learn about the unexpected events following the landlord's death.
“And then I remember like one of the, I only had one light and it was like a 30 foot ceiling.”
Transition to Japan
37:54 to 39:38
Follow the surprising turn that leads to performing in Japan as Elvis.
“So what happened was I get a phone call from.”
Cultural Adjustments in Japan
39:38 to 41:42
Explore the cultural challenges faced while preparing for Elvis performances in Japan.
“He said, just go to this Japanese woman.”
The Elvis Debut
41:42 to 42:01
Anticipate the debut performance and the challenges of live expectations.
“And so he looks at me and says, you sing now.”
Rob's Elvis Experience in Japan
42:01 to 43:31
Rob shares his experience performing Elvis songs in Japan under challenging conditions.
“He's got hitmen around him and everything.”
The Art of Stand-Up and Impressions
43:31 to 45:01
Discussion about the evolution of Rob's stand-up style and his iconic Elvis impression.
“And his lips curls up and he tilts his head and lifts up like you got a laugh.”
The Influence of Characters in Comedy
45:01 to 46:59
Rob explains how doing character work enhances storytelling in comedy.
“When you say, you just said a little bit ago, you go, I should try not to have the material like everyone else.”
The Influence of Characters in Comedy
47:15 to 48:55
Rob explains how doing character work enhances storytelling in comedy.
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The Influence of Characters in Comedy
49:02 to 49:14
Rob explains how doing character work enhances storytelling in comedy.
SNL Auditions and Challenges
50:20 to 52:32
Rob recounts his experience auditioning for SNL and the initial struggles.
“Rob and I, fast forward, we get hired on SNL.”
Comedy Dynamics and Influence
52:32 to 55:10
Discussion on the dynamics of comedy performance and the influence of peers.
“we did those four shows even Dennis said Spudley you don't get anything on I think it's curtains I'm like and it was only fucking four shows I go there's no fucking chance I did get a Michael J.”
Rob's Stand-Up Journey
55:10 to 56:00
Rob shares insights on his journey in stand-up comedy and memorable moments.
“I said, can I use the restroom real quick?”
Improv Night Reflections
56:00 to 57:09
Dana Carvey and David Spade discuss a recent improv night where Dana performed after a long hiatus.
“You know what Nikki Glaser said about your set the other night, that you should do more of that Bill Gates bit.”
Bill Gates on Epstein's Island
57:10 to 57:36
They explore the comedic premise of Bill Gates at Epstein's Island, sharing laughs over awkward scenarios.
“Funny premises, big laughs, closes hard.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Comedy royalty, Kate McKinnon returns as Queen Mortuana in Heads Will Roll, Air Apparent, the highly anticipated sequel to Audible's fan favorite original comedy series. She's flanked once more by co-star Emily Lynn and a new star-studded ensemble, including Richard Kind, Laurie Metcalf, Jimmy Fallon, Megan Mullaly, Sam Richardson, and Carrie Coon, plus an extensive cast of comedy greats. Seriously extensive. This is wall-to-wall comedy at the highest level. when we last left our gloriously unhinged queen and her raven sidekick jojo the unlikely besties had fled to the woods for a simpler life wow it did not last uh queen mo is back on the throne and heir apparent and facing her greatest challenge yet produce an heir before her 40th birthday or lose everything and spend eternity as keeper of the menstruary it's a very sticky sitch
0:53Dana Carvey:Meanwhile, Jojo's botched wing enhancement surgery turns her into a toad, leading to unexpected interspecies romance and a choice between royal duty and normal life. With her thrown on the line, Mo and Jojo embark on an increasingly unhinged scheme to secure succession. Part medieval mayhem Part razor sharp social commentary Heads Will Roll Air Apparent Is fantasy comedy for the ages It has everything Trad wives Polycules Sasquatch Mercenaries Milk people Toad on mole romance A child named Barbara Seriously everything David When was the last time you heard of a child named Barbara? Well don't miss a moment of Kate McKinnon and the killer cast and Heads Will Roll Air Apparent seed a child or seed the throne.
1:49Listen to Heads Will Roll Air Apparent, available now on Audible. Go to audible.com slash Heads Will Roll Series to start listening today. All right, now before we get back, we have a message from Ashley, the mosquito about Orkin. Hey, besties. Hope all of you are high key so excited for summer. It's literally giving all of us mosquitoes life. So we thought we'd help everybody make the most of it before Orkin pros try to ruin our fun. Remember, if you have standing water on your lawn from the pool or the sprinkler, just let it sit there. The more the merrier. When there's standing water, there'll be more mosquitoes.
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2:34Dana Carvey:Finally, the number one rule this summer is do not, under any circumstances, speak to anybody from Oregon. That is literally so cringe it will ruin the vibe of any get together we might be having. Take it from a mosquito. Orkin pros know literally everything about us, period. Don't visit orkin.com for a free estimate today. Now let's go suck some blood. Now let's go suck some blood. Number one with a blood bullet. Dana one of our old colleagues From SNL is coming on We're revisiting Rob Schneider Yes who I've known Since he was 20 or more Years of age Yeah you knew him in the Bay Area before I knew him Early stand up And I picked him up once and we went to a gig I think it was called Foo Bars in the East Bay Oh yeah hilarious Yeah yeah yeah Give me a ride Kind of right I know He's known for movies like Grown Ups The Hot Chick And Well Deuce Bigelow Deuce Bigelow One and two You know And The Animal Were big hits Oh The Animal was big Yeah And then he's gonna be In Grown Ups With David Spade Benchwarmers We're hearing as well Remember that one Oh that's right Benchwarmers Benchwarmers So he's done Well we We had a lot of laughs With him And this is a two-parter So here is part one of Rob Schneider.
4:13Dana Carvey:This is great you're in here. These are just really fun because I can get a sense of you. You know, like if something's wrong or you're bored, you're suppressing a yawn. Your eyes darting. That face that says, why did I say yes? Can we start it? Let's go. We're already going. We're already halfway done. Oh, boy. Wait, can I use the bathroom? We're almost done. One last question for Rob. I got to go to the bathroom. I'll be back in an hour. I'll deal with this guy. There's one down here, dude. So many thoughts are flying through my head. Go to bathroom 38. It's straight across. So many thoughts are flying through my head.
4:48You just have to field questions. It's easier. On the way here. You know, I'll wait for Dana to come back. I do. Hurry, Dana. No, the thing about you, David, was you had – you were unlike me. I would go to life and like – there was like a very Asian thing, very Chinese thing. When I worked, I did a movie with Jean-Claude Van Damme in China. It was a different thing. And this is going to come back to you eventually. But what happened was if there was a in the Western world, if there is a problem, you look at it and go, OK, well, these are the tools that we need. This is how long it's going to take.
5:31And these are the amount of people we're going to get. Now, in China, it was the exact opposite. They'd run to a place with the people that they had, figured out what the problem was there and use the tools that they could. So it was in other words, it was like a lot of things blowing up on set, you know, like, you know, the generator or whatever getting rained on and blowing up. But you figured out things quicker. Like, for instance, when I first met David at an acting class here in town, you kind of figured out where the good-looking girls were, who the good-looking girls were, and who. And then you also had like, instead of like, you know, when I moved down here, I moved into like a dump.
6:12And then like you buy like the one piece of furniture. and then I went to your house and you had a scam worked out way ahead of time which is like you moved in with a really good looking older woman you just rented a room in her house and the place was tricked out already oh right she had a beautiful couch she had like I mean first of all a couch was like a big deal to me yeah nice and then she had stuff on the walls she had nothing on the walls she had a refrigerator and you just worked out this delicate situation with her and I'm like holy shit I would have never figured that out it was I was looking at the paper David I was looking at the paper for places to live And on my own, I couldn't click and get one and it was too expensive.
6:48And then hers was$400, but she already had a two bedroom. So I just went and met random people. Yeah. And then it was in Toluca Lake and it had a room. She had the big room and she had the whole place beautifully done. I would just walk in, skim through the kitchen. You could keep stuff in the fridge. It was very nice. And I just go in my room. So that's all I needed. I had a room with a bed and then a little desk and then a TV in the corner. so I could write, pick up the phone, hear your messages, and then sleep. So that's all I needed. But she was also a very attractive older woman. And when I say older, I mean she was 30.
7:23She was 30. For us, that was like a crazy old girl. It was like Mrs. Robinson. Yeah, and I never even flirted with her. And I'm like, how did he figure this out? But she was too out of my league, too pretty. She was an actress, and she was five years older than us, six years, seven years older than us. Yeah, which is a huge, big jump. I could it was weird to talk to girls our age we had no confidence back then and we were just like and she was so great but then I think the day I left she's like oh you know we never dated wow and I was like you could have said something I would stay there 11 years well you know what I
7:57Dana Carvey:said they're all during SNL Mary Lou Henner who we're talking about
8:04Dana Carvey:said to me can I set the scene for 30 seconds you know you know I do this for the audience yeah so So this is a trifecta of people who have known each other for a long time. We'll talk about Rob and I doing stand-up in San Francisco in the early days. He was like at eighth grade. I don't know, but he was always great. And then how I intersected with you at Neal's, what we said in the podcast. And then you two hooking up. Dennis Miller gets in there. Next thing you know, I get on SNL. And then here come Schneider and Spade. I just want to set the table that we've known each other a long time. Yeah, there was a thing.
8:37But because we were on – I mean, I want to get to the Dana track of it all. I'm going to interview you guys. But you had a way of figuring things out. And then what I – one thing is I've been listening to the podcast was the psychological makeup that for people who get – for comedians who get on SNL. And like I've been like – Interesting. Deep into this kind of – well, I would call it like emotional damaged people. and like I consider myself there. Pretty accurate. It's like, yeah. You know what it was like? It's like, it's gotta be one parent who's missing, unavailable, either physically or emotionally.
9:17And another one trying to make up for it who's also got a problem because she's with somebody who's emotionally and physically not available. And so that was the kind of the click. Wow, that was mine exactly. There is something about that, like, you know, who's not there. And it's just depending on who, you know? Like that other parent tries to make up for it and can never completely. But at the same time, like also the youngest person in the family, you know, there's the thing about the youth or, you know, sometimes it's an older one who felt like they had to clean up for everybody else in the family.
9:48There's a weird thing though, where like, you know, there was missing something. So you felt like you had to go out in the world and try to get it. So gross, but pretty accurate.
9:56Dana Carvey:And then that begets resiliency. If you have dysfunctional parents, you become the adult in a way. And then show business, which is an emotionally violent sport. Because I want to ask you guys, like you bomb that night or an SNL person's there and you don't do well. You just go through a landfill and then who, it's a Darwinian thing. Like who survives the Game of Thrones of early standup? How do you not give up? Gets, makes friends. Other people up the food chain recognize, in your case, your guys stood out from all the young comedians on a tier below me and for your writing and everything else.
10:28Dana Carvey:And like, how did you deal, Rob? So you, how did you fight through this? Or were you – like how did you get on satellite? I think it was a combination of extremely vulnerable and extremely hypersensitive. I remember when I was in second grade because my mom was Filipino. She just recently passed away. Asian and a really tough war survivor. And she was – and through therapy, through Dr. Gabor Mate, who's an amazing Hungarian therapist, it's like he would call it generational trauma. In other words, that's passed on to you. I didn't even realize about this. But we would eat weird things. And my friends wouldn't want to – they wouldn't come over to the house twice.
11:09You know what I'm saying? Once you see like somebody's mom sucking the eyes out of a fish and crunching it in front of them. Literally? They don't come back for that second meal. So that's it. So that's the – But what happened to fish sticks? That's the way I grew up. So it would be like – you go to your other friend's head. They weren't like heads. You don't go to a place and there's like the head of a fish there. I like the heads. Or the head of the shrimp and stuff. but I loved that but it was embarrassing because you were taught
11:33Dana Carvey:to love it and you didn't even know what you were eating is it okay for you right now to do your mom explaining that to your friends yes it is now I can how she sounded I'm in my faith but see what and it was this it's very harsh that's what I was doing it was literally like my whole child Robert it was just literally like just you know if not physically emotionally kind of jumping back but I remember being in second grade being at the tide pools because that's what you do if you're a California kid yeah They don't take you to the zoo. It's cheaper to just go to like the ocean and see if there's anything over there.
12:06Dana Carvey:Pacifica? Yeah. In Northern California. So we went to the tide pool. And then I remember picking up one of these things that we would eat. You know, it would be an Asian thing, like a little clam or something. And I said, this smells good. I can eat. And I remember the tears. Ew, Robert, that's disgusting. Put it down. And that's when I realized, at seven years old, I said, I am way more sensitive than any of the other kids in my class. And that's my weakness. Yeah. And I knew that right then. And that was – and then it took 20 years to realize, well, that's also your strength. So it's a combination of the two things, extreme sensitivity, but also like, you know, and my parents were like, you know, it was being raised by 12-year-olds.
12:46You know, my mother first because that was when her trauma happened when, you know, in the Philippines and the Japanese came over and both her brothers were murdered by the Japanese. And so that trauma from that time, whenever she had problems, she would revert to that because that was her survival mechanism. So when she was mad at my dad, I remember coming home and seeing every glass, every plate in the whole house that she could reach on the floor broken. And my brother would just go, hey, you got to wear your shoes today in the house. There's another agency.
13:16Dana Carvey:How old were you at that point when you see the broken glass? Like six, seven, eight? Yeah, like young. Really, really impressionable time. Impressionable. That does never get – the childhood fucks with you. And you laugh at it. And then the dad would come home. Marvin would come home. The mature guy would come home. And he – whatever thing my mom couldn't reach, he would break. And so we'd come home. To even it out. And you'd just see nothing but broken stuff. And it's like, this is normal. It didn't happen every day. But there was that – that was representative of like, whoa, there's a landmine here.
13:46So – but it did make you tough. And I remember like going back to stand-up. Yeah. When you – I just remember the sensation of bombing. and I said, okay, this has to be instructional. And this is the kind of thing of being tough.
13:56Dana Carvey:And this is you in high school, right? High school, yeah. Bombing, because it's like, you know, David, you can relate to this too. It's like when you're performing and you don't, you're not an adult, people are concerned about you. You're being in a club, there's alcohol, they're not relaxed, and they have to be relaxed to watch and be able to. And so I just remember eating it so hard one time, bombing on stage, the physical feeling of it. And I said, okay, remember what this is. As I was walking off stage, the only thing I can describe it as, it felt like my ears were melting off of my head. Yeah.
14:30Sometimes when I get off, when it's such a bomb, it feels like the Hurt Locker where a bomb was off. She's like, eee. And everyone's talking to me. You can't see their mouth. You're just walking off going, because you're thinking of so many things. What went wrong? What was going on? And now everyone's repelled from you because you bombed and they don't want to be near you. But I didn't quit. And I was saying it was like officer and a gentleman. and I got nowhere else to go. I didn't really, I didn't have any other plan. Once I started in standup, I quit school and then I go, I have to keep doing this because I'm not good at anything.
15:01But it's instructional though because at the same time, what I didn't realize and now is to realize, you know, through years of therapy, like I feel like I'm Charles Grodin. Charles Grodin would talk to you. By the way,
15:11Dana Carvey:when did you start? I'm stealing your therapy because I - Therapy at 15? No, no, no. 15 therapy? Oh God, on and off for years but the last few years, pretty good. All right. So go back. You said Charles Grodin? Charles Grodin would be, when you talk to him, he talked to you like, he basically treated everybody like they were just getting out of drug rehab. So every conversation, every word was kind of like this. So very gentle so that everybody, and it's too much. Well, when did you talk with Charles Grodin? No, no, Charles Grodin, remember he had a talk show there. Oh, you went on. MSNBC, one of those shows.
15:47He had one of those guys. He was like a therapist. This is too much therapy. Phyllis Diller is here. I've been here for a while. The idea of it though is instructional now that I think about it because you do have to melt away the ego. You have to kind of start from zero to do stand-up. To risk yourself, to risk humiliation, you got to let go of that ego and this stuff. I'm sure we all didn't have much ego though. Huh? We all didn't have much ego then. I mean it was more like I didn't think I was a good stand-up. I was trying to be a good one and I was sort of all broken down into the bits anyway.
16:17So any elevation we got to, there was a point when Rob and I were pretty much, from Dave, Becky, the guys that booked the improv stuff, were pretty much two of the best middles out there, getting, I think,$1 ,000 each. That was a lot for a seven show. Yeah, I mean, they don't get that now. They'd fly you somewhere. And they'd put you in the condo. And he was like, they'd pay you as much as$1 ,250 or$1 ,500 a weekend. Wait, what? Which was crazy. I think I capped out at$1 ,000. And that's when we got SNL because we were friendly. We were friendly with Drake Sather. We knew maybe Apatow, Sandler.
16:54There were some guys in the Valley doing the Valley improv. And then when we got SNL. We never were good headliners, but we were monster middles. Yeah. We didn't realize how hard.
17:03Dana Carvey:You both opened for me. I'll say at the end of the podcast, who was the hardest guy to follow? We actually have a clip here. I'm going to say. I always want to second go back to the ego thing because I think that's really interesting. did you guys have a sense even if it was here and there like a sneaky ego or kind of like I think I might be able to do this like maybe you were the funny guy in 7th grade or you did a book report and they laughed that's the problem you might have had a little bit of a sneaky ego I think I can do this this is one thing I would respectfully disagree with you on that David it's gigantic ego it's fragile and extreme sensitivity extreme vulnerability and that combination is show business.
17:45It's such a horror show. It is, it is. Because what it is, but what happens is once you have that monster thing that happened, like for me, it was in high school where all of a sudden I was the funny guy and then everything changed. Like girls who would never look at me, look at me and then that was said, that's my end. So that was the one kernel that would keep you going because he said, this can really work. I know I can do this. I murder with my friends. And so that combination of that. And then so when you're bombing and stuff, you go, this could work. This could work. Right. But you're not with your friends anymore.
18:17And that's the way people say I'm the funniest guy at my office. When you go to a stage where no one knows. Hard to explain that to the audience, though. Seriously.
18:24Dana Carvey:Well, I think it's part of the charisma. And I think with you guys, too, it's sort of like that likability comes from the vulnerability. But get out of the way. I'm the shit. You know, it's like Elvis Presley, which you played in Hawaii. Elvis in Japan. Yeah. Well, I want to get to that in a second. Imagine having a free day out in the town, sitting down for a nice lunch, relaxing. Then you get an alert. The window at your home has been broken while you're miles away. It's that kind of thing that can turn your good day upside down, obviously. That's where ADT comes in. ADT security systems are built for situations like this.
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20:13Dana Carvey:But I do think the charisma, because there were alpha male comics that were like bludgeoning the audience and killing with just sort of energy and crowd work and stuff. And they didn't go as far as the sensitive guys who also could be strong. And also you guys are both great writers. We'll get to that later. I hate to say that, but you really were. We're getting to nothing now. Thank you. Everything's later. You have to recognize, to be successful. Save two for part two. I did recognize that when I was doing stand-up, and you have a couple of good moments or whatever, some jokes, but then you see people who, and I didn't have the confidence, and sometimes you kind of get a little of it, but then you see people who are really confident and not talented.
20:56Yeah, that's infuriating. You have to recognize, and I didn't understand that. That didn't make sense to me. It's like, why is Zach at confidence? And they're headliners, and you're like, confident but not talented yeah so with that and you had to recognize okay what's the difference how am i going to make it you walk into a place in 1982 83 yeah there's 30 comics and go and but i did recognize just in those part of the strength that i that i did get from my you know my violent mother was like how are you going to make it how am i going to make it and these guys probably aren't what's going to be the difference yeah i would make that thought yeah yeah you know i got to make i got to work hard on these guys and also i got to get rid of anything in my act that they're talking about yeah that's the hard part if you the more stuff you have a side note about yourself least likely it's going to bump with someone else because when i go up and the guy and i'm like a middle on the headline he goes you're going before me yeah and i he goes okay don't do anything about jeopardy wheel of fortune driving and i go that's my fucking whole act so i'm not allowed to do it bumps with his which is something that happens uh the other switch for me and rob is jumping ahead after us now we could headline and we weren't quite ready and the biggest thing about headlining for me that was harder was a following a good middle like a rob and then b the checks going out the people at home don't know that when you're doing an hour set or for even 45 around 25 or 30 minutes the checks go down and that means everyone needs to pay so they can get them out
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22:17Dana Carvey:oh they're doing math and everyone stops laughing they just go look at their check and go hey who had two cokes did you have the curly fries what's 10 of 179 what's three percent and then everyone's like talking and then you go wait that joke usually kills it and people never warn me oh the checks go out right about then and there's some comics that say don't put the checks out until i'm off which is it fucks the waiters over because you know i never say that because you got if you can get through that hump then you're good again because if you're killing when you hit that hole and you You go, oh no, the checks went out my head.
22:50I see someone like slow motion going, oh, let me get my visa. I go, oh my God, everyone's getting them right now and no one's listening. And then you got to bring them back for your closer. You got to somehow keep them around. It's warfare. I got out of standup for 20 years because of that. Because I just like, I respect the R form too much to do it. If you're not doing it all the time and I didn't want to eat it and blah, blah, blah. And I did like, I said, if I'm going to do this, I got to do it full time. And when people pay, you don't want to rip them off by doing like - Yeah, I don't want to feel, I don't want to do a celebrity victory lap.
23:17So I had to jump back into it hard. And I did. And it's been like, now I'm ready to get out of it again. You know, the name of my tour is Celebrity Victory Lap. So I feel so stupid.
23:28Dana Carvey:Well, what happens is you guys are just middle. So you have like a 30 when you got on SNL. 20. I'm trying to be generous. I'm a nice guy. 25. Okay, you had 15. You had 10 minutes. Solid 15. Anyway, and some filler. So then you get on SNL and you become the bad boys of comedy. and you both have this great run in the 90s on SNL. Okay. And then all of a sudden you're being offered, can you go do an hour at a college for like 20 grand or 15 grand? But you don't have it. So that was - I broke. At a certain point, I stopped doing stand-up. I remember where it was. It's like 1992. It was 4 ,000 people in Milwaukee.
24:05You're famous now. Now I'm famous. Yeah. And I never had the thing where people are paying to see you before and they're yelling out stuff that, you know - Making copies. it's during the day during the day it's also like so they're sober well they're not well this is Milwaukee so they're drinking during the day they're all and then they do they do you do the show and I got I stumbled and I got through it and it was like I gritted it out and then there's two shows that day because they're paying you a lot of money there's two shows and then I walk out there and I look and I go the most frightening thing is it's the same no oh no and I got to do it again the same crowd I can't pull it off.
24:45Grotesque. What did you do? I can't go on? I just, I mentally broke. You start crying. It's like a nightmare. No, but it's like, you know, from doing standup so much times, you know when you're having the middle of like a set that ain't the best one? Oh, yeah. And you just, you get through it because you're, you know, you're like a, you can go into that robot mode. And I remember talking to like, it's a weird thing. You can show up as you show up at a place and I have made, and you're like this too, Dan. You'd say, what experience can I get out of this particular situation? And I do that. So I was on some show.
25:14I forget whether it was Leno or Letterman or one of those things. And there's this Asian violinist. She's like famous. I'm sorry I forget her name now. But I said, how many days a year do you feel like on, on? And she said, well, I work 250, do 250 dates a year. I said, how many of those dates would you guess when she felt like at the top of her name? Yeah, good question. Do you know how many she said? I'm going to say two. Yeah. I got it.
25:41Dana Carvey:Shut up. I was going to say 240. She said two? Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Wow, because then you know exactly the little tiny thing. It's like, because when I, first of all, Dana was the guy in San Francisco. There's two guys that were like so talented that Hollywood came up. There was Robin Williams and Dana Carter were so talented. You don't mind me saying, it's just a fact. You were famous before you were famous. They were so talented that Hollywood started coming up looking for, they're making them up here. Going up there to get them, yeah. look, well, there's more, but we'll, okay, I guess we'll take that guy.
26:13And it was just like, I was like the third tier of those guys. Well, all right, well then he's young enough. Maybe he'll turn this on. But Dana would have lines around the block. And you know, performing for open mics, you don't really get the, that audience. You can't really tell if your material kills or not, whatever. But when you're open for Dana Carvey, you have a chance to have a real audience who's there for comedy. Good comedy crowd. Who's excited about comedy. Dana used to, part of his, he used to be able to do stuff about people waiting in line for his next show. And then that was some of the funniest stuff in the show because it was like at the Elder Cafe, there was like an open window.
26:48Dana Carvey:Oh, you could see them to the window? You see them waiting to come in. Other comedians, we would sit in the back and just watch and go like, okay. I said, well, we're good, but we can't do that. Well, I had the same thing with Robin. I just kept thinking I got to get better every time he'd come up and levitate to Holy City Zoo. And I was starting in college. So by the time you saw me, Rob, I had gotten The cafe opened in 79 And that's sort of where I started to develop The first time I did a character For 30 seconds It wasn't me, I was terrified So by the time I, that club really Really saved me, because you know You play the honky tonk bars, the cowboy bars With the blender going, and your act gets Bluer and louder, but that was like a It was a 60 seater Old hippies in there They rewarded you 70 it's the difference between like liberals in San Francisco in the 60s and 70s which are like question authority and like and they go with you and if you were taking more artistic license and sometimes like Grace Slick would be in the audience you know you'd have like it was like there were these cool kind of the what I loved about San Francisco poetry vibes was the bohemian vibe yes and which was artistic and were supporting you like those you know the great you know Pharrell and Getty and the you know the City Lights bookstore it was a place you'd go they printed their own books.
28:04So San Francisco had that vibe at that time. It still had it.
28:06Dana Carvey:It was eclectic, cool neighborhood. And now it's gone. But that was a really, now it's not Tom. Have you been to the gun-down saloon there? It's not bad. Last day. Good stand-up there. But that was a place where they did reward you for going further. Topical. Yes. And would go, and so that was the perfect place for that. And you really did get a chance to see, and you were like, you were levitating on stage. It was just, you were floating. and then the characters that you would do, you'd pummel an audience. They were literally exhausted leaving. Rape and pillage. Jeez Louise, I'm loving this podcast.
28:39Dana Carvey:We should take our time. Let's not make this a rushy one. Let's talk about - No, it's very nice, Rob. But when you appeared, because I want to throw out some names because it's nostalgic. So Rob and I came up from the San Francisco comedy scene, which you - And the comedy, let me just interrupt one second. And the comedy, the big thing back then was, if you were a comic then, was the San Francisco comedy competition. Oh, yeah, yes. And you didn't want to win it, but you wanted to get top five. What was the newspaper called? But Dana would do this thing, and he told me this. Dana was like, Dana gave me nuggets, which I held to this day, because, and it really was, and he used to drive to the, I'll never forget this, when you drove to the comedy competition, because that was a lot of pressure, and the talent scouts were coming, and it was a big effing deal.
29:25It was Robin Williams. We were around. And this was the time where it was like, It was big. You would perform at 1 ,500 people. It was that big, the competition.
29:34Dana Carvey:And you'd go through weeks of rounds to get to the finals. And he told me, Dana said, on the way to the place, he would listen to the Beatles. It's getting better all the time. That's true. Yeah. A little better. What a weirdo. Better. Isn't that kind of cool? It's a little sexy. But it is. No, but because, and Dana would say things like this. I need to feel funny before I go on stage. No one told me that. He had to feel silly. He got himself in the place. So there was a methodology. We didn't just do it. Because sometimes you just see the after effect. Like we didn't see the college years and working your way up and watching Rob and having to follow Rob.
30:08We just saw the audience just sees what they see. But to learn the craft and to learn at the high level that you were at. And just as a young man watching it, it's like, okay, that's how you do this. That was very instructional.
30:21Dana Carvey:And it prepares you for SNL in a way. I mean, there's people came up through Groundlings and stuff, which kind of take their sketch and put it on. Stand up is so rough and tumble. You have to be so tough that on SNL, all you're trying to do, and it took me, I think, 80 shows, just to quiet that voice in the back of your head saying, this isn't going well. I missed that line. Oh, I dropped that. Dress was better. I didn't commit like I did at dress. And so I wonder where you came in and when you felt like you got in the groove with SNL. Like, were you out of the box or 40 shows in? We did four shows in the 89, 90 season.
30:58They brought us in, which was like, it was wonderfully, it was just amazing to just be there. You were like somebody, you know, Bernie Brillstein, who was, you know.
31:08Dana Carvey:Talent manager, extraordinaire, went to the stars. And he was also, but he would also give you to, look, look. Yeah. One is going to not let you. One, you're going to have to wait. And that's part of it. You wait. It lets you know that you are less important, but not in a bad way. But it's like you got to know that blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And so this is a famous talent manager. Also. Managed Belushi and Actroyd telling you this. And Lorne. And Lorne. And Lorne. And Lorne. And so the thing about it was like, I mean. It's ridiculous. It actually, Lorne. He managed everybody. His whole Lorne Michaels, the famous, you know, comedy and, you know.
31:47Legend. legend who launches careers would also have his system make it a little easier. So he would rather just, if you were in the Brillstein camp, that was like minor league ball until you get a chance to get in there. But I remember the night that we auditioned at the improv. And by that time, I was hardened and I was ready to go. And I had a monster set to do. Because I had a monster. I remember like Jay Leno, Bob Fisher, our old manager. For sure, was another talent manager in the San Francisco scene. Who could identify talent. So you're going to make it, and I'm never wrong. Just nice to hear that.
32:23Wow, that's nice to hear.
32:29Dana Carvey:Did you have a surefire when you auditioned? Like a bit that kind of always killed? Elvis on a fishhook? Yeah, so I had my stuff. Did you share that with our listeners? I had stuff. I'll give you one of his. Okay. Well, let's go ahead. Elvis on a fishhook? Well, it's like a visual. I forget the exact thing, but it was a thing where you could act it out, where you did an impression and could act it out. And it was an interesting idea. Because you did a really good Elvis. Yeah. So I did like, I was, you know, Elvis is what, when I first, before, you know, I was always into Monty Python. And by the time Saturday Night Live came in, it was over.
33:01I was into it. Cheech and Chong, it was over with. I was in this for life. But the thing that for performing, the guy that I was turned on by most as a performer was Elvis. Just because of like. Such a stud. you know, the album, 100 million fans can't be wrong. Unreal. Well, that's true. It's unreal. But he can't. No. That's like an entire population of Western culture, of Western society. And so, and then his performance and his, you know, his, you know, everything. Everything. And you played Tiny Elvis. Oh, you played Tiny Elvis. So I would literally just sing Elvis songs and try to get his moves and stuff.
33:43Can you be, I know you're kind of sure. Give me a little bit. Get on the mic. Hold me close. Hold me tight. Make me thrill with delight. Let me know where I stand from the start. I want you. I need you. I love you. And then he would do this. Oh, my God. You know, so he was just like. Killer. He dug deep for that. That was a gem. That was good. Girls would lose their, you know, I mean. They'd go crazy. They would go nuts. They go crazy when you would sing. You do it now or never. I remember watching. And I did that at high school. And then it just murdered so hard that I was like, that was it. Can I say one thing right here?
34:24Dana Carvey:You kind of, around in here, you look like Elvis. You have a little bit of an Elvis overlap with your cheeks and your mouth. Thank you. It's a little something that kind of works. So when I put the fake sideburns on and I had the jumpsuit on, even at 115 pounds, my wrestling weight. And they called you Tiny Elvis? And they called you Tiny Elvis. and it murdered because people it was a really good performance the difference is a really good impression performed really well seriously yeah that commitment to it it's just like when like Napoleon Dynamite that dance he does is really funny but he's really committing to it and it's really good so that's the combination of stuff and then it's just naturally if you're naturally funny then people are like laughing at it but when you went to Japan to do Elvis for a couple of months it was a complete but were you playing you were playing a serious Elvis were you adding jokes I wasn't I mean first of all I got the phone call and that's the time I was living in an apartment this is unreal $200 a month $200 a month basically what happened was that's it?
35:18I was living in a place and it was just a hole in the wall but what happened was Milt Abel the comedian of Saram I wrote his name down
35:25Dana Carvey:I wrote down Milt Abel because I wanted to give some props to our and he's an awesome guy really good comedian he had jokes I remember to this day like you know somebody tries to hand you a flyer and they go no you throw it away and it's just that little good little one line I wish I would have thought of that and so I moved into this place He said, it's$200 a month, blah, blah, blah. The first month I was in there, the 85-year-old Russian landlord who owned the place, he said, and then I had one bowl. Can we hear the landlord? That's going to be funny already. This is the old guy who owns the place and he lives there.
35:58And it's a shithole. The whole place has been painted once in the 50s. But I don't need it. I just literally put a mattress in there, just the one mattress. And then this is it. And I'm just going to do stand-up and write coffee. It was right down the street from Fillmore, his coffee shop. This is perfect. Perfect. So I paid it. He said, it only takes cash. So 200 bucks, perfect. And then I remember like one of the, I only had one light and it was like a 30 foot ceiling. So you know what those old places are subdivided, subdivided, subdivided. And there used to be an old giant Victorian in the day.
36:25And then they turn it into like, you know, 13 apartments or whatever. And so the one bulb that was at the ceiling, the one light that I had, I didn't even have a lamp. It went out. And I was like, well, I got to have that. You know, I had my one light. You need a lamp. I got to have a light. So I, you know, I don't know where to go. and Mel's asleep. And I said, well, I just go, I knock on the guy's door, the landlord. And I go, well, you know, the light's out. What do I do? Okay, I'm going to have to go down and get the ladder. I go downstairs to get the ladder. I come up, I come up. And then he came up.
37:00You know, and you just, I'm just this dummy because it's like, I'm watching an eight. And then I realized I'm watching an 85 year old man on a 20 foot ladder climbing up to change the light bulb. And I was like, ah. And then I thought, well, he's already up there. Let him just get it. He knows what he's doing. You can spot him. And he comes down and says, I don't feel so good. I don't feel good. I've never felt like this. Really? I don't know what to tell you. A week later, he's dead. Oh, my God. Died a week later. And the thing was, though, that he had no living relatives in anything. And so nobody was asking for rent.
37:37So all of a sudden, I went from$200 a month to nothing. To zero. I had nothing. So I was living in a place of rent-free. Did you push him off your floor at all? I think I may have killed him. I don't know, but I did realize I should not have an 85-year-old guy changing the bulb. It's weak and a burning. But anyway, so. Okay, the landlord dies. Now, how does this lead to Japan? Yeah. So what happened was I get a phone call from. Another funny voice. Mark. Yeah, Mark. Just Mark. Funny voice McGee. The Filipino community, whether you're half Filipino or whatever. Right. There's a small community of people.
38:06And they try to like, you know, because they know that the Filipinos, they'll work hard and they'll show up because otherwise you'll be, you'll be, you've been, they'll beat the shit out of your, your, it's been beat into you. You better work hard. You better show up. If you say this, you got to do this and yeah, all right. And so you can depend on Filipinos. Like at the end of the day, like if you do get a Filipino to come over to your house while you're moving, they'll move till the, you know, all day, you know, and if you have somebody like, they'll take your blood pressure. So I get a call from him and he says, uh, Hey, listen, um, you do Elvis, right?
38:38And And he's like, he's calling me at nine in the morning, which I just want to sing at like four. You do Elvis, right? You do sing Elvis, right? Good, good, good. He saw me do the Elvis thing about it in high school. And so I said, yeah, yeah. I said, do you know the song? I said, I know a couple, like three. So why? Why? He said, well, we just lost our Elvis impersonator. And I said, what do you mean you lost? Well, in Japan, they were sending a band for a new club that's opening. And he said, can you go to Japan to do Elvis? And I said, listen, I only know like three songs. And I don't really, it's not really serious, you know?
39:07and i don't i don't really sound like so i call bob fisher and bob says do it you'll tell you'll tell tell the story and letterman one day and so and i called mark and i realized i don't even have a passport you know i've never like you know i think i left the country when i was a little like 13 with my parents one of those cheapy european tours where you go on a bus and and um they take you to the worst worst hotels in in all of europe so that was it so i had to I said, I don't have a passport. I can't go.
39:36Dana Carvey:Can you use the dead Russian landlord's passport? I'm just saying, in a drawer. I think, where is this going? He said, just go to this Japanese woman. She said, just go to Japantown, and she'll take care of the – they can take care of it. The Japanese, if they want to get something done, they can get it done. How are the Irish? They conquered – they basically took all of Asia in a month. So they'll do this. So I go over there, and she looks at me. and she goes his name wasn't Mark it was Alex I'm sorry Alex Howergy was his name she looked and he said she looked at me when I walked in with a fright in her eyes and like I never trust Alex again because you're the Elvis because it's like I'm this short guy coming to be an Elvis you know but you had puffy hair you had like Elvis and I said to her right there again my stand up experience after doing it for a couple of years I said no no no I can do this I'd be alright I can do it and they had no alternative they had nobody else it's like a movie and so literally it's like a Friday and I gotta fly Sunday to do this for the next week and so the next thing I go I'll just do it it'll be fun and I get on the plane and I start going over these songs songs and stuff and I'm like I don't really know this and then Alex is like hey listen just where you're going Kumamoto's like the Alabama of Japan they don't speak English just do the same verse over and over again they're not gonna know the difference so I said alright I'll just do that but then I realized no you can't just do that These are Elvis fans.
41:03Even if they don't speak English, they're going to know. Teleprompter, cue cards. Yeah, this is way before any of that stuff for me. So anyway, on the way over there, I start getting a little bit nervous about it. And I go, ah, I'm sure it'll be fine. What's the big deal? It's just Japan. I'm never going to come back to this place. I land there. There's a bus that picks us up, a bus with posters all over the bus that says, Elvis, new Kennedy house, anything Japanese. Japanese loved any American words like Kennedy, Elvis, Nixon, whatever they had. Nixon, Elvis, Kennedy, Houser. So then we get on the bus and they drive us straight to go see the Kazu guy, which is like a mobster guy.
41:44And he looks at me too. Kaza guy? Kazu or whatever. It's a Japanese. For mobster. He's the guy in charge, whatever. He's like the guy. Fuck that. And so he looks at me and says, you sing now. You sing now. Are you Elvis? And he looked at me. You sing now. You sing now. He's got a funny voice too. Yeah, sing. Yeah, sing now. He's got hitmen around him and everything. He just looked like a dangerous little guy. A little around my... So he made me sing right there. He took us out to eat. Acapella? And he made me sing. No, he made me go to the place. And I said, I'm going to have some time. Literally, after we ate, he took me to the club.
42:19And I said, okay, I got some time. Because the club's not done. It's like the walls aren't there, the floor isn't there. Did you have one go-to Elvis song you know? Huh? Did you have one go-to Elvis song that you did in your acting? You know, like, Now or Never Used to Do. Yes. It's like a hound dog or blue suede shoes. But the, so anyway, we go to the place. It's not done. I said, I'm going to have time to learn these songs because the floor is not in. There's no way it's going to open tonight. But the thing is in Japan, if you're not done, they make you pay. If you're a construction, whatever company.
42:48They make you pay for every hour you're late. You pay fines. Oh, that's not happening here. So they did finish it that night. And then the problem was it was three shows that night. Fuck off. And four on weekends. after the first show the first night I blow my voice out I said I can't do this and I go running into the sushi place which is every every restaurant there and just start just shoving down ginger go to 7-11 and eat sushi ginger and ginger and just I get through the second show and then the third show I don't know how I survived I never gotta do it again I'm like this the next day and I don't know how I'm gonna do it again did you kill?
43:21and it was good it was okay you know there was enough people on the weekends was there a little band
43:25Dana Carvey:or karaoke? we had like they flew me over with the band a little bands but but anyway by like and i said well you got to figure it out and then but it was and sure enough i did uh do the um i did my first letterman appearance was i did i did um he said uh so you were elvis in japan what was that like and then so he did ask me a question i didn't have a really good uh it's still funny because you did elvis on a fishhook on your first set right yeah that was going full circle this so that that elvis was really and then elvis on a fish hook was just one of those quick hit but i could do a really good album so that would like it helped oh wow hey i know what it was like i don't know maybe i said now i would just introduce just like uh at that time if you did odd stuff unconnected it was kind of interesting that was like a style at that time it's like and now uh i'd like to do my impression of elvis on a fish hook and on a fish hook and i go oh sunny red i don't know i'll maybe come back here one these days and goes, ah, you know, ah, and I would do that and I'd go back and forth.
44:25And his lips curls up and he tilts his head and lifts up like you got a laugh. But that was the thing that like when I did that at that set that we did and, you know. Auditioning for SNL probably. Yeah, and it was just one of those things that you got a big laugh was interesting and Lauren said later, you know, when I, if I see something brilliant, I know that there's the potential to repeat it. And I said, am I hired? And I guess that was the way of being on that.
44:52Dana Carvey:No, we suggested Elvis on a fish hook will be like a runner. I don't know if it's a talk show. You talk to Jim Downey. Well, you also used to do reading from Elvis and me. Actually, your act was very unique. When you say, you just said a little bit ago, you go, I should try not to have the material like everyone else. That wasn't my motto, but you did because you actually did that. You also did also reading from the first time I met Elvis. Elvis and me with Priscilla was funny. An impression if you're not good at it, just doing something that's completely not good at all is also works. Who was that?
45:27That was Priscilla. That's Priscilla. Oh, okay. I got you. I read the book. Priscilla Presley wrote a book called Elvis and Me. And I swear to God, when I was reading it, I started reading it out loud to people. And they were just howling laughing. So what was the voice used for Priscilla? It was, I would just talk like this, which is kind of like a version of my mother. My mother also. She would never. She didn't understand. The first time I met Alabama. which is like the mountains of the Philippines. She wouldn't understand jokes, but she would understand how to laugh at the right time. She'd go, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, Marvin.
45:56Very sweet. What does it mean? What does it mean? I don't understand. You know, when he said, he goes, when you were, one of your jokes was, I'll mangle it. When you were a little kid, when you were eight years old, you banged your head on the coffee table and your mom would make you feel good and she'd go hit it and she goes, bad coffee table, bad. And she goes, and you'd feel better. And she goes, we make it even, bad coffee table and hit it. And then you go to bed and your dad wakes you up at two in the morning and goes, hey, Rob, get on down here. Your mom spilled hot wax on the coffee table.
46:23We got to make it even. You know our policy. Oh, yeah. So then you have to have hot wax spilled on you. Yeah, he's got a four hot wax. Yeah, yeah, that was the idea, yeah. They got to make it even. But I remember like if I did that, you know when you do a character, it's like you can do your jokes and you get it, but when you do a character, it's just another. Also in the middle of the joke, you're playing people.
46:42Dana Carvey:You had a musicality, too. You had a musicality from the early days, and we're hearing it now, which is also, I like the whole is great in some of the parts of musical rhythms. Oh, yeah. Like getting copy. How do you hit that? It was just so infectious. Making copy, you know, like that. There's a musicality to it. It sings. It's got to sing. It's a song. All right. Back to School starts now. Get long-lasting battery life on the Dell XPS laptop powered by Series 3. Intel Core, so you can work from anywhere. Now starting at$699, with exclusive student pricing starting at$599. And it's lightweight, portable, and packed with enough processing power to make multitasking a breeze.
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50:19How did you, now let's get to that part. Rob and I, fast forward, we get hired on SNL. We auditioned at Catch Rising Star, I think. Well, the first one we did at the Melrose. Okay. And then like the scariest part was like, at that time, I kind of had like a, a little bit of a fuck you attitude in a good way, because you have to, because you get, otherwise you get beaten down. You're too, and I said, you know what? I, and he said, and then I got the call from Bernie. You know, Lord, Lord. He managed to put extra syllables in that one. Lord, Lord, Lord, Lord, Lord, Lord, Lord, Lord, Lord, Lord, Lord, Lord, Lord, Lord, Stallone, his son.
50:55Stallone, yeah. Smygo did a funny thing where he was just like, well, it was just, you know, you take it so exaggerated. And Robert was like, let me eat your foot. I don't know how it got there, but his Bernie impression, I want to eat your foot. Bernie was a heavy guy. Obviously, he's not like Santa Claus. No one knows anything.
51:15Dana Carvey:That's the thing he told me the first day. No one fucking knows anything in this business. And later on, Brad Gray said, I told him, why is he saying that? Because it's like, no, give me 15 % of that. I don't know fucking nothing. Give me a check. It's true. So the next day he said, Loan wants to meet you. Loan. And I said, well, I got a gig in San Diego. And I said, he knows. I'm middling. I get a gig in San Diego. And he said, he'll know if you have a job. He'll respect it. and you know and he said if he wants to meet me fly me to New York and that was very and I just said that in the morning as I'm driving down to San Diego I have the cold sweats and I literally like I just fucked up everything why didn't I meet and I really had but at the back of my mind it was the right thing and the only person he flew out of all those people audition was me to New York you flew over me while I was driving David was yeah he was getting ready to move furniture because he had to go back and forth and they hired us as a writing team I remember you guys coming in like freaking yeah it was a weird scene Bernie said they were writing theme you got the higher rhythm both I was not aware that I didn't want to first of all I didn't want to be a writer I wanted to write but be a performer and that was hard and that's what I was saying about Copy Machine we did those four shows even Dennis said Spudley you don't get anything on I think it's curtains I'm like and it was only fucking four shows I go there's no fucking chance I did get a Michael J.
52:44Fox on on the Dice Clay show and Kenny Among who I love says, David, I forgot to put you at the beginning. I go, what does that mean? He goes, I didn't put your card up where it says, featuring David Spade. And I go, it wasn't there? And he goes, yeah, so no one knew who you were.
52:57Dana Carvey:And I go, God damn, I won shot. It's a tradition on the podcast. Just 10 seconds, Michael J. Fox, Casualty Leads Award. Sarge. Actually, I just give you one. I'll do it for Rob. No, you're down to one syllable. He's seen it too many times. So I do Michael J. Fox. And then we have a summer off. Sorry, listeners. And then Rob and I get hired back. they always wait a while it was a little touch and goy because we didn't get anything on but i remember like i would do anything like they said like write um promos promos which is like that why are they letting me write promos i've never written a pro in my life so this is awesome you realize no one wants to write the promos yeah and so i went and they said you know and lauren was i mean i was just blown away by the fact that lauren would even talk to me and then And then he said like, and then, you know, you have to write it.
53:45You'll write promos. And then - No explanation either. You just got to figure it out. And so I went in and Debra Winger was the host. Debra Winger. I remember her. And I went in and Jack Handy wrote a great sketch with her, even though she was very fragile. I walk into their dressing room. She's there sitting with Lauren on the floor. And she's literally crying going, I can't believe you talked me into doing this. I just I'm not I can't and I was like whoa is this like this every week yes wow
54:15Dana Carvey:I would have gone in Travolta you know for her like from what that western Urban Cowboy go ahead you know like I kind of think I might be falling in love with you or something like that sorry that was a day well but Dana too is that he would hit you know in his stand up too he's like the turns he would make by the time he would be like like a a NASCAR or a racer, you know, a driver. And all of a sudden, and by the end of his routine, because he would do the stuff, but then he would pummel the audience. It was like a boom, boom, boom. And by the end, he would go from one impression, another impression, and then the impressions are talking to each other and the audience can't breathe.
54:53It was like, it was literally like a meditative thing for that. I said, holy shit. I'm going to listen to this podcast. That's very nice, Rob. But that is where all that was. We can cut all that out. That was the influence with me.
55:02Dana Carvey:David wants to make an edit now. No, just anything about Dana we're going to take out. Pummel, pummel, pummel. Rob, when we were at, I think those four shows. I just got to use the restroom real quick. Am I just sorry? I said, can I use the restroom real quick? Yeah, yeah. Just want to. Yeah, go through the back room. Dana, you started standing. Rob's going to go away. We don't have to stop it. We can just wait, right? Keep going. Oh, we keep going? He's so weird. Rob's using the restroom. I know. That's really smart. Talk about Deuce Bigelow. What does that mean? He's taking it too. Like he's going to unload?
55:33Dana Carvey:Yeah. He's getting the unload chamber. There's a bathroom right here too. Do you know that? That you don't have to go in the back bedroom. I guess. Where did you go? I went to the very back. You're not going again. I just wanted to let you know. And the air. I'm taking a mirror in there so you can even. You can watch yourself. It's just either one. Audio only podcast. No, it's right by the grocery store. If you go through this hall, there's a little mini Ralph's. It's a pop-up. You go through that. Sorry, Sarge. Hey, Sarge. Hey, Sarge. I got it. It's Casey Kasem. I got to do it. Hey, Sarge. I have to get a new one, dude.
56:11Dana Carvey:We don't have that many runners. That's just a great runner. That's a great runner. No one gets tired of it. You know what Nikki Glaser said about your set the other night, that you should do more of that Bill Gates bit. On the island? Yeah, it was funny. And do more Clinton. Oh, you see those pictures? I got them for you. I was bailing because I was just doing concepts. I was bailing because a lot. They were so excited. The pictures and the videos I saw made it look like it was like the best show. I did keep some of those pictures to send you. Well, I did get a standing ovation, but to me, that's not good enough.
56:43Dana Carvey:No, it's because I did Chopping Broccoli on the piano where I wrote Chopping Broccoli. You did a standing ovation, but they found out that guy worked there. You came up, and I knew on the way out, all I heard was roaring. Well, what happened was the other night, if we're still on, is that Dana came down to do the improv the other night, and he's doing, hosting a show coming up. So he's practicing. And did stand up in three years in a club. Three years in a club. We put him as a special guest and then I went after him. But went up, great. Read some stuff off a notepad. Everyone was enchanted. Funny premises, big laughs, closes hard.
57:20And then I went up, but everyone was like, stand up, dance.
57:23Dana Carvey:Well, that's good if she liked that. I like the premise of Bill Gates on Epstein's Island being awkward. Hey, what are you doing here? I'm just like putting it on sunscreen. We're going to go buy the pulley. Want to go?
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Part 1 of a 2-parter with Rob coming to David's house!
