RE-RELEASE - Sheryl Crow

8:58Sheryl Crow:I don't know if I... What?

9:01Dana Carvey:Cheryl has a new Top Gun app. It's shockingly good. Like, my wife both flipped for it. It's like... Oh, the new one. Yes. The new one. It was so good. Here's how I'm going to connect it and see if you guys connect to this. I connect it to Roman Holiday with Gregory Peck and Audrey Hepburn. Interesting. The reason is it's done a lot, but they did it better than anyone else. You invest in the characters, invest in the story, and then there's seven minutes of Hans Zimmerman soundtrack with kind of people hugging each other and giving thumbs up. And that's the part that gets you. Anyway.

9:38Sheryl Crow:right wow okay i'm gonna go back and watch it i dragged my boys to see it because they had no no attachment to top gun and i was i was kind of skeptical but i'd heard how great it was and we loved it i mean it was such a good old-fashioned plot driven movie anyway how old are the kids my kids are 15 and 12 oh right in the pocket oh okay perfect yeah yeah they and they seriously don't think I'm cool at all.

10:06Dana Carvey:It would be weird if they did. Oh my god,

10:09Sheryl Crow:it's Sheryl Crow's cooking me a pancake. Yeah. Tell them to watch the documentary. They'll see how cool you are. Do you think I should let them watch it? I don't know. I don't look at it from their eyes, but it shows how tough you are, how hard you bust your ass, how good you are. First of all, everyone that loves, is crazy about you. All these huge, huge stars that rally around you and you're singing with every single one of them i knew you more like a skim job because when you watch the you know when i'd see you out but we you know i don't get into all that stuff and it's so uh i i have so many more levels to uh your whole life and career i had no idea about no well you know i think most people and i'm sure you guys too you guys have stories that nobody knows anything about like i'm so interesting you're like a fully realized person that's not covered in the tabloids and all that stuff.

11:03Dana Carvey:I find that everybody has a story. Everybody. Yes. And way more than you think. I wouldn't release mine because no one would believe it. They would just laugh me out of the room. I don't know. There's a tease. I'd like to know the story of Dana Carvey. Yeah. When I come to Nashville and we go around all the Main Street and we go in the bars, we see all the incredible bands, I'll tell you everything you want to know. So my new best friend is Cheryl Crow. I just want to make that announcement. and um yeah make it clear so you're the thing i got from the documentary which i recommend to everybody because such a human story is how hard you worked and how driven you were and then how you like most people well there's certain celebrities i know that are much easier with fame but how you had a love hate with that and we talk about that part of the your drive and yet

11:53Sheryl Crow:why do i want this and stuff like that yeah i mean i i still think fame is a weird it's a mind It's a real mind trip. And I didn't really adjust to it very well. For me, instead of it being fun and something I could kind of navigate and manipulate and use to sort of build my brand, which was not the, you know, people didn't talk about brand back then. I know. Instead, for me, it was pressure, you know, it was pressure and it was a source of my, um i mean i've always looked at my life as okay how am i gonna fuck this up or you know that's just how i've always i've always been sort of uber critical of myself i don't know why but um and so fame was just one more avenue for me to to to fall short or embarrass myself or you know it becomes this thing like suddenly you're invited to the party and you're like with all the cool kids and then you get this weird panic that when is this going to stop and oh I wasn't at that event or I should have been at that or I wasn't included it's just like it's a another level of panic for it was for me at least.

13:08Cheryl you get re-reminded all the time you were saying in the documentary you're saying it now I would like in tiny ways you get re-reminded like you go to the golden globes and you're sitting eight rows back where you were the year before and you're like is it is that that part is kind of funny there's so many little things you keep getting checked like where you are in the food chain and vanity fair party they invite you at nine or 1 a.m you're like wait a second what does that matter and they're like well you can't go and you can't bring a plus one this time and or you can and all that stuff is someone's in a room deciding your

13:41Sheryl Crow:fame level and uh yeah and they're all all the pictures of people on the red carpet and you've like gone out of your way to look hot and you're not in the pictures or they'll say a press announcement of like who came and you're not in those 10 they mentioned you're like oh okay well i was gonna say and one other thing i i find that i still see my name in the press and it'll be

14:01Dana Carvey:misspelled oh and i'll just go okay do they misspell crow or cheryl they do a c cheryl they You can't get any of it right.

14:09Sheryl Crow:Or sometimes it'll be like an E on the end of crow.

14:12Dana Carvey:Yeah.

14:13Sheryl Crow:Anyway, that's the part that was so, once I moved, and especially once my boys came, and really, truth be told, after I got diagnosed with cancer, all that stuff just kind of went out the window and seemed ridiculous, you know?

14:29Dana Carvey:That same thing happened to me. It happened to me twice. Once with a health issue I had botched bypass, but it feels good now. and once when I was picking up my son and he went in for the play date he's like nine he comes out he has a severely fractured wrist oh my gosh it's just like going at a right angle so he had to drive him to the hospital and in that moment everything got real clear you know yeah I read this thing recently based on what we're talking about and I can't believe I read something recently that would be helpful in terms of getting dinged in show business yeah the people who criticize you are doing less than you.

15:06Dana Carvey:Ooh, I like that. Isn't it good? Because like we would never judge you. We know what the work that goes in. You know, I don't ever think of anybody who's hot or not. I just know they have a story and they're talented and whatever. But do you go on social media at all and look around? And David's good.

15:22Sheryl Crow:I'm so, I mean, my assistant's sitting over here. I'm totally embarrassed. But first of all, I'll say that my kids say I was born in the 1870s. I am so not tech, but also I, I have nothing to do with social media. That's not true. That's not true. I'm involved in my social media, but I don't know how to go on it. I don't know how to post. I hand stuff to Liz and I'll say, can we post about this? This matters or, um, but I don't, I just don't do it. My kids don't have social media. I already know how my personality is and there's so much mean stuff on there i would be distraught so how do you get your kids to not do they want to be on and you you don't let them well my 15 year old um initially about when he turned 12 started begging me for snapchat about 12 and a half and all of his friends had snapchat they didn't have instagram they didn't have uh whatever else that you have what else is there tick didn't have tick tock um i know i'm sorry but um didn't have tick tock and then um is that weird i am weird i i love upworthy like i love that that i can get with but anyway so he asked me for his 14th birthday if he could have snapchat and i said oh my gosh buddy you don't have to ask for it for your birthday so he got that i mean that's the weird one because you can't check what they're doing but there's a thousand ways it's yeah it is sneak chat there's so many ways though to see all the tiktok stuff on youtube and we have all the parameters at a friend's house and you know yeah you can't hard to control my daughter is i actually grew up i don't know where you were in um missouri she is in springfield right now oh and not far yeah so she that's where she's growing up and so i think it's nice it's nice there right it is nice there it is my brother went to college there and i've tried to keep her there as long as i can in a bubble before she uh comes to stay in la sometimes because just i can tell it's just it's getting scarier and scarier about terrifying it is for them to open to that world yeah but it's kind of that way everywhere i mean we just have a we have a rule that you can't be on your phone after you know can't come and lay down on the couch and be on your phone for you know i'm sort of at a 30 minute you can do 30 minutes pick your screen um and i look at my screen time it says i'm on uh 22 hours a day i'm like we can pump those numbers up i know they do they admonish you your phone says

17:57Dana Carvey:you're down you're down this week you're usually just down it's like fuck you why aren't you on it for what's wrong with you what can we do to get you sucked back in yeah come on you we you know Anger really sells, man, and outrage, but I don't look at it. I get way too sensitive. If I see one negative thing or were you ever funny or whatever they say, I'm kind of bummed out, and it makes me mad that I even am affected. But I don't listen or watch anything I do, essentially. I don't like to see, hear, or feel anything.

18:28Sheryl Crow:Me neither. Me neither. Plus, I'll tell you the one thing about making a documentary when you're 60, right? Sexy 60. You see all that. Oh, I'm 60. I turned 60 in February. You see all that old footage of yourself and you, you still think you're that person. And then it comes back over to an interview with you and there you are in the chair and you're 60 and you, you know, I don't want to see it. I don't want to, I like, I like to think that I'm still like in my 30s.

18:55Dana Carvey:Hey, I'm up the ladder looking down at your age going not bad, but you're right. How do we compete? You know, we're all so cute. Everyone is essentially all humans. We're all so cute. All humans are cute. We get cuter with age. In their 20s. I'm adorable. Everybody's really cute in their 20s and 30s, but it's hard to, you know, compete with you. What about Cheryl at Woodstock? Dana, I watched her shoes in the Woodstock one. I watched it because they said you were on it. And so I watched it.

19:20Sheryl Crow:The 1999, that one. Oh, look at that. Well, wherever you had a full-blown mullet. I did. I was wearing, let me just tell you. Please. This is a total aside. So I have these wonderful hair pieces I can clip in my hair, right? Nice. Not wearing them now, but if I go on stage or whatever. And I have clipped them on both my boys so that they'll look like Tommy Boy. Wait, what? I mean, Joe Dirt. Sorry, Joe Dirt. Oh, my gosh. There's so many.

19:50Dana Carvey:That's all right.

19:51Sheryl Crow:Joe Dirt, yes.

19:53Dana Carvey:Joe Dirt is a big Halloween costume. Yeah, it is a look. That's cool. Oh, my gosh. I love it so much.

19:59Sheryl Crow:But yeah, that documentary, 1999, the Woodstock is, I watched part of it on the airplane a couple of days ago and I had to turn it off. It was so disturbing. And I remember it. I remember how awful it was. Was it scary for you because it got scarier? Like by the time Jewel got on and stuff, it was getting closer and closer to that hole. I remember hearing about it. But when you watch how everyone went bananas, it must have been, I can't believe who would stay. You know what I mean? It was so bad. Yeah, I don't know. it is interesting that people did stay. It almost felt like they couldn't leave, but it was, it was debauched from the beginning because we were on the first day and we, you could look out and you'd see all these girls who were topless on guys shoulders, you know, trying to get the MTV camera to sweep around in front of them and get on TV.

20:47Sheryl Crow:And, and they were already throwing shit from the outhouses that were not set up, right. They were leaking. And at what point some landed on my hand while I was playing bass during my favorite mistake. That's when we stopped. We played about four songs. And I remember saying, not going to do it. Not going to do it. Not going to die. Wouldn't be prudent. He set me up.

21:16Dana Carvey:I don't normally do characters on the podcast, but not going to do it. Feces on the bass. Bad. Anyway, well, that's a good gig story. Yeah.

21:28Sheryl Crow:Yeah. I've got a few of those. That was a highlight, though. We went on after Andy Dick. And then, so that tells you what the vibe was. Okay. Yeah, that's. He went on after Insane Clown Posse. So we were. Oh, who was going after them?

21:43Dana Carvey:Jesus.

21:44Sheryl Crow:We were like, is this our, is this our crowd?

21:46Dana Carvey:What'd you open with? What'd you come out with a rocker? How'd you try to follow Andy Dick?

21:52Sheryl Crow:I think we came out with If It Makes You Happy.

21:54Dana Carvey:I mean, that was our weapon, but. That is a weapon. Wow. Is that your one to go to? You have a lot of anthems. You have a lot, a lot of anthems. God, look through her shit. I was like going, look at that song. Oh my God. Because I love Leaving Las Vegas and it came up my iTunes the other day. Oh, wow. And it was without my phone knowing we were going to talk this week.

22:18Sheryl Crow:Or did it. Yeah, did it. Yeah, that's really the question. And that's a monster at that beginning base. and a great song is a huge story about it in your documentary. And then also, and then you keep going and going. Your first Letterman backup for Michael Jackson, just getting that, you kind of skimmed over that in audition for Michael Jackson. How on God's green earth did you sneak in an audition where they didn't go? Your name's not on this list. You were just cute. You ran in and said, I'm next. It's weird. I did a few sessions out there with, I started to get a little bit of work singing jingles, you know, the songs that are in commercials for those that don't know.

23:00Sheryl Crow:And I think because I was the new kid in town, I started to get some work and started getting hired and was on a couple of sessions with the same guys. One of them was Daryl Fennessy, who's a fantastic singer. And actually, one of them was for Johnny Mathis. And I overheard him talking to another singer about the Jackson tour. So I asked about it and you had to be recommended by Bruce Swedeen or Quincy Jones or Rod Temperton. And of course I didn't know any of those people. I think I've been in town maybe six months when I first started getting work. And I found out where it was and I drove out.

23:43Sheryl Crow:It was at a rehearsal space. I want to say SIR, but I don't think they have that in LA. I can't remember what it was called. Drove there and thought, well, what's the worst thing that can happen? So I went and I knocked on the door and they let me in. They asked me what my name was. I said, I'm Sheryl Crow. I am not recommended, but I overheard Daryl Fennessy. I mean, I told him straight up. It's good. You threw in some good names. And they said, well, come on in. And they put me on video first. And I said, hey, Michael, my name is Sheryl Crow. I just moved here. I was an elementary school teacher.

24:17Sheryl Crow:I'm out here doing sessions and would love a chance to go on the road and sing backup for you or whatever. And then I got a call from Daryl, and he put me with a couple other singers, and we went in and sang together, and they hired us. Now, was this supposed to be backup, or were we supposed to sing? Backup singer. What was the whole idea? No backup singer. But you eventually were doing stuff, singing with him. Well, he had two or three songs that featured females. Like one of them was Man in the Mirror, which was Saida Garrett on the record. Oh, and I Can't Stop Loving You was also, was that also Saida?

24:53Sheryl Crow:Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just can't stop loving you. Yeah, that one.

25:01Dana Carvey:It's interesting when we see you, like you're at home now and you're Cheryl and sweet, personable. but when I watch you with Jagger and Michael Jackson so like these titans and you're just like going for it I mean it is kind of a it's a personality you put on it it's fierce and rock starry I mean that transition I mean who was tougher Jagger or Michael to like keep in their face because they're both really aggressive dancing with you and you're right up on top of them it's very cool to see

25:35Sheryl Crow:Mick Jagger was I mean, he was far more terrifying, for sure. I mean, I'd grown up with that guy, right? I'd grown up with the Sticky Fingers record and Zipping the Zipper. I mean, they were like dangerous, like edgy, and they had all this folklore around them, you know? And by the time I got to sing with them, I mean, I'd seen them live a handful of times. I mean, that was like, that was the bomb. I was so afraid and I threw up all day. I was a nervous wreck. And I think I even talked about the documentary about Bobby Keys handing me a bottle of tequila right before I went on. A bottle? Have a shot of courage.

26:23Sheryl Crow:And the next thing I know, I'm out there with them. And yeah, I mean, it's a funny thing. And I know you guys know this, too. It's like you have this side that has to show up and be fearless. But then you also, I don't know if you guys are like this, as soon as you walk off stage, you go, oh my God, I suck. Or I sucked. Or that was, you know, I want to do it again. I wish I could, you know. And it's that sort of balance between stepping into it and then coming away from it and being able to just put it away without rehashing it with your, with all the voices that are in your head that tell you, you suck.

27:03Dana Carvey:Do you, I sometimes do it later on. I mean, when you came off from Jagger really in that moment, did you think I just sucked or did you feel kind of cool? Obviously the first faces are crew guys or whatever, and they have a range of compliments. Hey, and sometimes they'll change it mid-word. Or nothing. Hey, that was really good. You know, they go from great you get these little messages and then if you get someone really high bro you crushed it you crushed it you know yeah and then later hours later i would think ah fuck i missed

27:33Sheryl Crow:that i rushed that so that it's a funny you know it's a it's a funny thing um that was such an out-of-body experience that i it was hard to even relate to it and then compound that with i mean literally we were we didn't even have a hit yet i mean all i want to do is come out and It was starting to happen, but I couldn't even process it. But my nature has always been to not think I'm good enough. And I guess that's part of what propels you to work so hard is that you feel like whatever you're doing is never as great as the Rolling Stones or never as great as Stevie Nicks or not even as great as you think you should or could be.

28:21Sheryl Crow:And it's taken me years really to grapple with that. And, you know, there's also, you know, you talk about the mental challenges that go along with being an artist or somebody who puts themselves out there that shows up. you know I spent a little time with Robin Williams through the years and you look at somebody like that who can open himself up and be so beautifully funny and so just seemingly happy yeah but then in their real life you know they're struggling and that's

28:59Dana Carvey:that's the story of a lot of us I got to know Robin quite a bit I've no I knew him since the 70s you know yeah and i got to know him when we were both up here in marine county for the last five years and part of what i feel about him is like his shyness and his vulnerability he would call me boss he was my idol and then his powerhouse on stage and really he created this idea of a shakespearean actor just showing up and it was just a brilliant concept of like oh hey who and you never knew where he was gonna go you know uh yeah one thing i wanted to ask you Cheryl but David's gonna ask questions first go ahead I know I have a question about what to say to people when they get off stage so I did the and god why do I think you were here Andrew Andrew Agassi charity in Vegas maybe you weren't there so uh it's just I might have been there all these stars go on right it's comedy yeah there's me I was at the table with Ray Romano I thought you were my tape why do I even think this anyway I was there okay so you were there okay yes

30:03Sheryl Crow:That's the night I met Lance Armstrong. Okay, carry on. Oh, interesting. My next question. That's part two. Part two of the interview. Okay, I'll whiz through this story first because this one sucks. So they go, Ray's there and you're there. We're all at this tape, whatever. They go, okay, you're going to go up, then Cheryl, then remember, remember. So I have to go up before Ray and I go after, do you remember there was like an 11-year-old phenom singer from like American Idol or something? Yes, I do. Anyway, so they go, she's only doing one song or something. So I'm waiting in the wings and she goes up and she does like, I will always love you or something.

30:41And she gets a standing ovation and she walks off and I go, Hey, get them next time. And then she goes, what? Cause I had to get in her fucking head, Cheryl, because you know what? She blew me off the stage and I hate, I couldn't follow her. So I'm like, Hey, tough crowd, huh? And she's like, well, I love your honesty. I love that you're 11 years old. I got to get in there and let her know what the what's going on man and so then I went on therapy ever since she's like didn't I get a standing ovation never sang again isn't that good I'm like so then I got up first of all that was embarrassing and then I get up and then I bomb and then I come down and I say to Ray Romano just like comedian to comedian I go hey listen you're next listen the tables are really far apart they can't hear you in the front there's kids in the back there's a bar over here it's just it's the worst case scenario he gets up and kills for 20 minutes straight and i was like i just explained why he's gonna bomb and there's absolutely no way to do

31:43Dana Carvey:well here he doesn't go down for anybody have you ever cheryl when i've seen you sing on this documentary and it seems like you if you have nerves they never affect your voice you i like if you're terrified with jagger you don't hit a bad note do you in the whole thing i mean that's It's just more mathematical, right? You don't hit a bad note.

32:02Sheryl Crow:That's nice. I've bombed. I have bombed before, I promise. In fact, I can remember doing a tribute. I think it might have been, I feel like Neil Young was on it. I don't know. It was a Music Cares thing. And I thought I knew the song, but I didn't know it very well. And I got up and literally could not think of a single word and sang practically the whole song, Making Up Crap. and I remember coming off stage and John Sachs who was the head of VH1 the head of VH1 saying something about wow I don't know if I've ever heard that written before yes I have definitely had moments of bombing

32:42Dana Carvey:I've had death to find bombs I've done corporate work occasionally I worked a gun show and all these guys were eating steaks with their backs to me and they would just take a bite and kind of look up. But you know, they pay so much you have to do those. Comedians are easy. They throw you anywhere. But I'm jealous of musicians because corporate gigs can be tough. And then, but with musicians, you can sort of, even if you bomb in quotes, you just say you just do your song. The in-between is kind of awkward because there's crickets. Yeah. But we're doing every line we're getting feedback that it's not working.

33:20It's not. Yeah.

33:22Sheryl Crow:Oh, I cannot. I just can't imagine being a comedian. And I love I love the art form. I love comedians. And Dave, I've never seen you bomb. You've always made me laugh. Oh, that's nice. But you're a sweet person. And no, no, that's the truth. I just can't imagine. We did a corporate gig. No, no, no. We did a virtual gig during the pandemic. And I've never done one of those where you do a concert in front of like nothing yeah there's no like in between songs it's like okay you hit that big last chord and then oh yeah it's just crickets yeah it's like playing in japan you look over and there's some guy on the side just texting he's like works he's

34:03Dana Carvey:like go on do your next song i call it comedy waterboarding i did one with tony robbins and he was interviewing me on the zoom and he was so enthusiastic and he had a global audience and all these screens and I would do Tony Fauci or something and go, give it up from Dana Carvey. And then there'd be two minutes of music and I would just be dancing in my room. No laughs. Woo! Yeah! You know, I love Tony. But I was going to ask you, so you, the one thing about being hard on yourself and you're still around doing great stuff is that we have data now and there is something about lasting, you know, and putting out cool stuff.

34:47Dana Carvey:And the seems to me that when you really got into the super celebrity thing, it was when you're already exploding as a superstar, and then you're dating another superstar. And that's when the tabloids went 10.0, right?

35:02Sheryl Crow:Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, definitely.

35:04Dana Carvey:Yeah.

35:05Sheryl Crow:And you know, I think interestingly enough, I had dated people before that were well known but there was something about that combo that was uh just was it was ripe for fodder yeah it was um yeah i mean it's like i mean i wouldn't put myself with j-lo and a-rod like way up there but you know a combo like that is is it's too juicy i guess Yes. Yeah. Well, because there was Owen. Hey, how's it going? Oh, love Owen. Owen's the coolest dude. I still communicate with Owen. I absolutely love him. Hey. Just, you know, and I mean, I've been really fortunate and I don't really have anything bad to say about Lance at all.

35:49Sheryl Crow:I have been really fortunate to be with the people that I've been with and I wouldn't change it, you know? Yeah, I think. But I will say one thing. I did dream last night that I married Brad Pitt. You must know Brad pretty well. That's a good plan. I do know him pretty well. You know, I went to college with him.

36:07Dana Carvey:Oh, you did? Did the girls all love him then? Or what was he like in college? Well, you know, it's really funny.

36:13Sheryl Crow:He's a year younger than me. And I was the song leader at his fraternity, Sigma Chi. Yes. Really? So I went over and I would work with them with their, their, uh, we had, I can't, what was called Greek week or whatever. So I was like their coach or whatever, but I knew him from campus running around. I knew the girl he was dating and, um, you're always friendly. He's from Springfield where your daughter is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Always friendly. And I've seen him through the years. He's a good dude. I swear he, he sort of takes an, an odd beating out there over this divorce thing that never ends, but he's, I've never seen him not be cool.

36:54to people not be nice to people he seems like the most down to earth he is a big he's a nice person big of a star as he is he's gives everybody time i don't know how he does it and then but he keeps getting roughed up i mean that that's a divorce for you i guess i don't know the

37:11Dana Carvey:the energy around someone like brad pitt and i think part of his shyness or reclusiveness he's not really readily available and it almost like clooney was with matt damon and brad pitt and They're at some film festival in Europe. And Clooney just said like he and Damon just disappeared as soon as Brad Pitt showed up. So this is other level of being a true sex symbol and a really brilliant actor is just this 10.0.

37:38Sheryl Crow:Well, David, you know how that is. Being a sex symbol is very good. Cheryl, I'm glad you brought that up. David and the ladies have a nice arrangement.

37:44Dana Carvey:My life is a struggle. But, you know, the truth is also when you're dating, like you were saying, if you date someone in the business like you almost have to date someone like an Owen because like that song even says are you strong enough like first of all the tabloids don't care when you date a normal person so it's not as big of a deal and people think you're not even dating they don't know what's going on and then they only jump on it if it's someone they know and they and like together it equals like five stars it's like two celebrities equal five so it's like you see these people on like uh reality shows together they make one actual star so that's why they always date each other someone from the bachelor date someone from this one well the cynic kind of thinks is it isn't an arrangement david is it sort of like hey let's uh date for three months our profiles will explode you two should get together for six that's why i'm gonna marry

38:41Sheryl Crow:Brad Pitt because I feel like that'll put me actually at a, at least a five. Oh, you'd be, you'd be huge. You know, you two guys, people couldn't deal with it. That'd be, that'd be crazy. I don't, I don't want to get married. I love my life. You don't want to get married. That's crazy. No, I would just want to sleep around.

39:01Dana Carvey:Yeah. All right. Now let's unpack the last part of our podcast.

39:07Sheryl Crow:I'm going to make sure my kids listen to this podcast. Yeah. Good. Hey, you know, women should own their sexuality. They should be able to do that too. They should, but I got to be honest with you. Nine o 'clock at night. Yeah. I'm like, that's like, yeah, that's REM sleep for me at 930. I'm out. If the guy's ready to rally from 850 to nine, if it's not in that window, beat it.

39:27Dana Carvey:Yeah, I don't. I'm with you, Cheryl. During the pandemic, I just went to bed early, got up early. It's hard for a nightclub performer. When you get up at 530 and the show's at 10 that night, you have to wait 18 hours. but yeah i like doing this dana in vegas me and dana did this show and uh i do it usually and then he covered for me once and he's like this thing's at fucking 10 dude i know i know and then we do a q a at the end so it's at like you get off by midnight i go is that that's too late right he's like yeah and i go yeah what am i doing i like seven o 'clock shows i really at this age i just like i don't want to party anyway you also what's gonna say oh yeah no i won't ask you about this but ask me anything no it's not that exciting I know I'm not I'm not I'm I first of all like that when in the special when you said driven is sort of a negative to women but I think that it's nice in this day and age when no one really seems to want to work or work hard that that seems like a trophy to say I was you know what I mean you wear it like a medal like I'm driven meaning I actually want to bust my ass and try really hard to get in a business where it seems like every year that goes by that that's not how it works anymore people want to be given things or people want to jump ahead a lot easier and they don't want to work or they don't have to work and so I love watching that when people put in the hours because it is a hard job to get right and if you take it seriously whether it's stand-up or that or any sort of writing you write and do it all and you perform, that that's like something you're so proud of.

41:10And it's weird when people give it to you like it's a negative. That's a hard thing to take.

41:14Sheryl Crow:Yeah, I think for women, the idea of an ambitious woman is such a turnoff. Like for instance, you know, it's like a woman gets called like a bitch. Yeah. You know, I can remember when, I mean, this goes way back, But what was the woman? Oh, my gosh. Who ran for president years ago?

41:39Dana Carvey:Sarah Palin, vice president.

41:41Sheryl Crow:No, no, no. This is way, way. I want to say Kefaro, but it's not that. But anyway, about there was always a discussion about how ambitious she was and how unlikable, you know, that kind of thing. And I don't know, I still find that is problematic when you have ambitious men and it's such an admirable trait, but for a woman to be ambitious. And let's face it, you know, if you are the head of a company or if you're a politician or a successful woman in general, you have some ambition. And that ambition is fed by, hopefully, the desire to be really good at something and the love of doing that something.

42:23Sheryl Crow:And that, you know, that's positive that that question you were just asking, David, about people not wanting to work hard. I mean, even raising my boys, I keep having to say to them, look, if you're going to do this, you want to dedicate your energy and your time and you're blessed to have resources to be good at this thing that you love, because it's not all about the end product. And it's, I don't know where we're off. Like where, when I was growing up, everybody was middle-class. There was no, you know, people weren't rich. And so I grew up idolizing all these amazing musicians and bands. And I felt like I didn't, it wasn't about being famous.

43:07Sheryl Crow:It was about being great. You know what I mean? So I don't know where we're off. I guess it's really easy to be famous and it's really easy to get rich. Maybe that's it, yeah. so nobody really wants to they don't equate work with becoming famous or work with becoming rich it just changed and it's not

43:25Dana Carvey:anyone's fault but we when you were really when you're on television as Frank Sinatra or whoever or Stevie Nicks they were just really great and now because of social media and instant hits and stuff and it's very demoralizing for young people when they see and I do a joke a guy who opens pickles jars and is making seven figures all right my name's steve today we're gonna open some nice dills you know and he's making seven figures on youtube yeah youtube and monetization yeah he's good you know

44:01Dana Carvey:interesting enough you might this comes back to you so the corporations of the big music publishing companies are now buying artists catalogs they obviously got springsteen they got this they're not so much buying the more modern product because these anthems these big songs really monetize well going generationally you know like your hits you know could are just right here right now strong enough i mean they're just it makes you happy all those so have you Have you been approached or have you sold your catalog?

44:37Sheryl Crow:Well, I sold my catalog, not my songwriters, but I sold my catalog about three albums ago because everything was going to streaming. And we were approached with the idea that they would start getting placement so that the songs would be heard more, but I wouldn't lose my songwriters. So I didn't get the giant chunk that like a Springsteen or Bob Dylan or whatever. What's a songwriter mean though? What do you mean? So you get paid for the, you get paid publishing and you get paid your songwriter. So I split my songwriter with whoever I write my song with. And if I don't write it with somebody, then I take a hundred percent of the songwriters fee or whatever, the money that comes in.

45:30Sheryl Crow:So when it goes through ASCAP or BMI or wherever it is, some of it goes to the publishing company, some of it goes to the songwriter. But it's interesting now because everything is streaming. You know, we make a penny or maybe two pennies every time a song is streamed. So how much of a penny do you get paid for the songwriter? It's nothing. I mean, 100 % of a penny is still going to be a penny, you know? So it's just ridiculous. And I don't know. I mean, I love that Bruce and Neil and all these people are making hundreds of millions of dollars, but I go, I don't know. I mean, it's sort of like Bitcoin to me.

46:17Do you mean like how does the people that buy it make it back? Because it's so, is it overpaying?

46:22Sheryl Crow:Well, I guess what they do is they sell the right to use that song in a commercial. They're out there to try to sell it to make money, which the other people wouldn't be doing. And movies and stuff like that. Right.

46:31Dana Carvey:And that's why maybe the album is kind of over for now in a way. I mean, you're going to release more like just batches of songs?

46:37Sheryl Crow:I'm going to release batches of songs, but I mean, that's not for everybody. For me, like I said, I'm 60. Is the new term batches, Dana?

46:45Dana Carvey:Like pancakes, you're going to do batches of songs.

46:48Sheryl Crow:Like batch one, batch two. Yeah, the promised land. And I liked in the Dana and the documentary member, I think it was toward the end where she where she said, you came out to somewhere. Maybe it's Bonnaroo. Where's Bonnaroo in Tennessee or something? Yeah. Yeah. And the people weren't there yet. But by the time you went on, first of all, when you said four o 'clock, I was like, I was at one of those festivals and it was like Norm Macdonald went on at noon. I went on. I luckily went on before Tom Petty, which is great. But it was kind of nighttime. there were very weird times people went on it was like all day but you went on the place was packed and then you said this whole new generation when you went to i think if it makes you happy which is one of your big mongo hits that uh they all knew it and that's cool that's the coolest thing is that it keeps going it's for me like someone seeing a movie or something that they a new generation knows it and you can't believe how would you even see it because that's something people like people don't listen to radio you go oh here's a new cheryl crow song or here's an old one someone had to tell them or something and they all know all the words it's very cool i mean it's it's funny because about maybe five years ago my manager started talking about and now you're a legacy artist and i'm like oh that's like okay i've got my art card um i'm a legacy artist that's what i'm trying to be but it's kind of cool yeah i mean people's kids have grown up i mean like i i know burt baccarat and i know yeah of course obviously another rolling stones but i mean i i grew up with parents that played music and all this generation is growing up with parents who grew up with my music and it is it's a rarefied place to be it's you know it's awesome

48:34Dana Carvey:some some high school kid today boy or girl is gonna listen to uh my favorite mistake today for the first time and become possessed by it. I mean, I noticed in your songwriting, which is kind of cool, and Brandi Carlile talked about it, you're doing these major chords or just this setup, and then it goes in unexpected places. I'm not a musicologist, but it seems to go minor or weird that the second parts of your songs are so explosively different, and the setup is kind of, I don't know. I mean, how do you write a melody like that's that part for my favorite mistake because that's such a cool melody weird yeah i

49:15Sheryl Crow:don't know but i will say i i'm i love i'm so proud of my references like i love the beatles so much what i know guilty yeah love the beatles and that documentary just uh i mean i binge watched it and then I rewatched the last episode and it, you know, I, I think a lot of, a lot of stuff that I wind up writing is osmosis. I mean, you know I don't know what it's like to write jokes because it seems like, I mean, I'm sure you guys grew up with George Carlin and Richard Pryor, all the, all the greats and I'm sure. Same thing. Yeah. So you get a, like a, a cadence or you know you you do what they do for a while and then you go okay how now you start hopefully transitioning to who you are and that becomes your thing but you're still standing on the shoulders of all the the dudes that wrote the book right you're like a research paper of your favorite people then you start turning into your own yeah this is a horrible question to ask

50:23Dana Carvey:but what Beatles songs kind of speak to you like off off the top of your head that you really liked okay i'll just start here there and everywhere i hear there and everywhere i mean

50:34Sheryl Crow:that song is amazing and then you hear emilu harris do it and you go that song is amazing again yes i mean that's why their songs are so great yesterday is one of my favorite songs long and winding road is one of my favorite songs um uh love by john lennon is one of my favorite songs Oh, I got married to that. There's just so much good stuff in there. I mean, get back, come together. I mean, just, you know, but definitely Blackbird and Yesterday, to me, are two of the greatest songs ever written. When we did talk to, we got lucky to talk to Paul, but he said, was it yesterday where he says, when he goes, when he brings it in, do you bring it in and go, I got a winner?

51:16and he goes no you can't you have to walk in and go hey i did a new one if you guys want to hear it and then he said ringo said i i can't put any drums on that and then john said i can't put more guitar on it and they said what if we put strings and he said no that was george martin yeah and he said no it's we're rock and roll we don't want strings on it and i go oh we get a

51:35Dana Carvey:little bit of the process yeah it was interesting cheryl and we can cut this out of it overlaps But we did get to talk to Paul and we were both very nervous. I was on the road in Wyoming with my family in Montana. But anyway, he, once we started talking about Get Back, he really lit up. And I asked him, did John ever thank you for your bass lines? And that was like a big thing for him. What did he say? Well, we found our way to come together. And he talked about how John just had one line, here come old flat top, which was a Chuck Berry song he had to pay for later. And then he kind of teased it out of him that he wrote that opener.

52:15Dana Carvey:He said to Joan, we've got to have an opener. We can't just go right in. So that became... So I go, Paul, that's one of the best openings of a song ever. And then later on he had said, we wrote it face to face. Because he comes in, even though it's so Lenin-y, Paul comes in with Juan, a cracker, he got Juju Eyeball. So Paul, his comprehensive musicality, I think, just influenced the band. His fingerprints were like, because he could do the percussion. He had a four octave range, sing all the harmonies. He could play all the keyboards and all the guitars. So anyway, interesting interview. And I couldn't sleep for a week after that because I kept thinking of what I should have asked.

52:59Sheryl Crow:I see. I would have just left to have been in the room.

53:03Dana Carvey:Fly on the wall.

53:04Sheryl Crow:listening yeah listening to you guys interview because that was one of the things about the documentary that um may not to be like um all woo woo and stuff but watching them in the room and and the the musicality of all four of those guys like Ringo never played anything that didn't feel exactly perfect and right the song yep for the song uh paul i mean everything he played was not just tasteful but it was like unique and memorable i mean there was so much happening his his interplay even the tension between he and george all of and and then the combination of him and john i know i'm going on i'm going somewhere we love we love to talk about there I mean, I am so I so believe that there is an energetic component to the universe that brings that together.

54:04Sheryl Crow:I mean, because there are too many instances where you just go, where in the world did that come from? Or even when you write a song and you go, OK, like my favorite mistake, I felt that way after that song. I felt like, OK, I don't know where that came from. And also, I feel like it's already been written because it feels so complete.

54:26Dana Carvey:Such a great melody.

54:27Sheryl Crow:There are moments where you go, okay, you can't define what creativity is. Yeah, you can't really define what inspiration is, but it is a real thing. And that to me is like, okay, that's just God. I mean, however you want to define that energy that is unique to you. And I watched that in that documentary, that energy that no matter what was happening between them, it all was part of the outcome. I don't know. I guess the older I get, the more I get into the idea that these things aren't accidents. You're tapping into something.

55:03Dana Carvey:Well, Dennis Miller, who's a big Beatle fan, he said it this way to me. He goes, Carvey, I can understand Led Zeppelin, okay? I get Pink Floyd or U2 and all that. But for the life of me, I can't understand the Beatles. How does that happen? And it's lightning in a bottle. What was sweet about it, Cheryl, and it'll be on the podcast, is that he still has this love of John. And he loved that you could see them joking around with each other. Even though John was taking the piss out of him a little bit. There was a bit of a competition going on because Paul had Long and Windy Road. He was on this upswing and had a ton of songs.

55:46Dana Carvey:And John had to bring Across the Universe to the album, which is right insane so it's like a left it's a right it's too much i mean if the amount of hits you could retire off that one alone i know if he just wrote here there and everywhere he'd be a famous person but i can see your influence uh in a good way but you have your own cheryl crow brand but i think you do write songs i'm sure you've if you've met paul and i'm sure he's a fan of your music that's pretty trippy right i don't know i don't know if he is or not but i do it's

56:17Sheryl Crow:kind of funny i did meet him um when i was doing fallon in the mbc building and it's funny because um i have so many memories i mean certainly from doing saturday night live um oh that's right being in that building and getting to meet people you know um three times on snl cheryl crow three times on that's a hard one to do they have so the choice of anyone at all times and to get asked I had to sleep with Lauren like 11 times Oh I've been there What did Lauren say to you I'm still sleeping with him I don't know why Just I'm in a habit

56:54Dana Carvey:So you'll be doing If It Makes You Happy And that'll be your first song Maybe something we've heard of Maybe Second song you pick Dealer's Choice Here's what Paul said to me about you Cheryl You know I go Paul who do you like contemporary You know I like Cheryl Crow You know she's got a good thumper she's got a good you know bassy and goes guitars and harmonies she's a big vocal a big voicer

57:22Sheryl Crow:sorry that's you didn't say that don't she's freaking out don't say freaking out just going oh my gosh i'm sure he loves you i wish i would have recorded that and then posted it like he

57:33Dana Carvey:actually did say that you know if it makes you happy why are you so sad you know it's one of those turns john and i would do it's like a big old chorus you know makes you happy you think oh It makes you happy. Then why are you so sad? It takes the carpet out, you know. And that one keeps it going, you know. It gets you all wheelie-jilie. I don't know. Okay, I'll do it all day. That's incredible. That sounds, that's incredible. I do it just to be with Paul McCartney.

57:57Sheryl Crow:Will you call my voicemail and just leave that on there for me so I can use it? This is Paul. Paul McCartney. That's not here right now. I can't do it. Dana, I got to tell Cheryl before we let her leave and go back to Nashville. She doesn't want to leave. She wants to talk about it. She doesn't want to leave. I don't. I have to tell her that when I'm looking over these songs, first of all, I like that. I'm trying to look at my favorite ones just for absolutely no reason. But if it makes you happy, I like that you work in Mosquito in that one because it's hard to get into songs. Thorly unused pop word.

58:28Yeah, it's very, very underused. And I have to say, and this is a dumb story, but when I was with Kid Rock, one of his albums came out, and that's where we were hanging out more. and he goes I think he was up against pink when it came out I don't know why I remember this is probably a lie but I and so he's driving you can attest to this if you're in a car with him he's playing his album if you're in his house he's playing his album if you're anywhere he's playing a video of himself so um he goes you gotta hear the new album and I go oh and then he played the whole the whole thing so I don't know as much about music as you or Dana I don't know anything Dana knows a lot.

59:08I'm just a fan. So he plays the songs, and he goes, this one's the one that comes out first, and then this one, and then this one. And then fucking picture comes on. And I know nothing, Cheryl. And I go, that's fucking great. And I go, play that one again. And he goes, it's with Cheryl. And I go, god damn, that's catchy. That is so good, and she's so good in it. And he goes, well, that's going to come later. and if I'm not mistaken the first two songs did okay and then picture blew the fuck up is that possible? It exploded It's so good And you know what he said

59:45Sheryl Crow:which was funny he said after we recorded it he said that's gonna go to number one I was like really? Oh that's so cool And he's like that's gonna go to number one I'm telling you it pops up my iPod all the time and it's so fucking good and you're so great in it and I just go God and I know he takes a beating out there but he can sing man he gets these he gets it right and that one he got right and he's got a lot of great shit out there um yeah and um how did that happen he knew he had it and came to you or you had it came to him or what happened oh no he had it in fact i didn't write nearly as much on that as he did i mean and he's he's super uh like when he's in the studio he is fearless man i mean he has listened to so much great music and can play a lot of things and um you know he he's really masterful at getting his ideas down and um he knows it back and forth he knows yes he yeah he does and he's but he's also you know very savvy when it comes to what he thinks will hit and yeah you know it's funny i used to bust his balls because he goes hey i got this this guy wants me to come play his birthday party, give me 50 grand to come sing.

1:00:54I go, does he give you another 50 to get off? Because he'd play, we'd do karaoke at my birthday party and he goes, maybe I'll get up with these guys. I'm like, maybe, it's gonna, within seconds. So he would sing karaoke and then that was for the next three hours.

1:01:10Sheryl Crow:He can't, I don't know if you ever came down to, in New York, I think it was in the late 90s maybe, we would show up once a week at Shine, which was a club downtown and we do all covers and any given night oh my god how fun mike mills stevie nicks sat in with us keith richards sat in with us anyway kid rock came down and it was the same night that keith sat in and he kept yelling keith's name keith richards keith richards and keith got really mad like irritated he's like quit saying my fucking name and i at one point i'm just like okay i'm not sure how to manage you know we're doing all these bad 90s covers but yeah he's a lot of fun and i will say that picture yeah is one of the most covered songs the karaoke in the world that is you know one of my claims of fame wow i'm telling you it's and on top of everything else you've done and then i was looking at this and i go oh that's right picture on top of all the stuff.

1:02:16So just had to high-five you for that one. That's so good.

1:02:20Sheryl Crow:Got to high-five Bobby for that one. Yeah, yeah. He does. I bust his balls all the time, but he is good.

1:02:26Dana Carvey:Okay, you know, traveling, Woolberries. Woolberries. Yes. So past and present, if you were going to make a female super group, who would be in there? I mean, obviously, you would put in Stevie Nicks. I like you to say obviously.

1:02:42Sheryl Crow:obviously I would put in Stevie Nicks most definitely super group 10 out of 10 yeah and I would ask Brandy you know she loves you

1:02:54Dana Carvey:and she's cool Brandy is amazing

1:02:56Sheryl Crow:and she's a great songwriter and she's just a kick ass chick she's cool who else

1:03:03Dana Carvey:it's only three it's like Nirvana so far Bonnie Raitt, Emmylou Harris

1:03:07Sheryl Crow:Bonnie would be amazing Emmylou would be amazing I think Linda Ronstadt would be amazing. Linda Ronstadt. I was going to say. Yes. I mean, young wise. I mean, you know, the Traveling Wheelberries, each one of them had a huge full body of material. Yeah. So, I mean, because there's a lot of young people out there that will be great. Who's young that you like? Oh, man. I mean, I love Maren. She's a great songwriter, great performer, great singer. I love Courtney Barnett. She's amazing. I love the High Am Girls. They're great. um who else goes on and on yeah yeah yeah i mean i love florence and the machine she's really interesting there's a young girl named cassie i want to say anyway there's there's a lot of good young female music out there yeah it's hard to break through though i mean there's just it's

1:03:56Dana Carvey:there's just so much of everything with everything is everything now yeah it's true what's in your

1:04:03Sheryl Crow:hand what's going on down there who me yeah oh guitar picks are you gonna write as soon as this

1:04:11Dana Carvey:podcast is over you're gonna pick up one of those guitars and just go fucking crazy and write a masterpiece you write a song about me and dame yeah just like podcasting with the lady and joe dirt

1:04:25what is it oh did you forget on a play what is that i can't even hear it

1:04:39Sheryl Crow:oh that sounded a little patty smith i like it had a little punk to it we'll get it on tiktok right away cool please do yeah please get me on tiktok i know is that Something they want you to do is like try to snippet your song on TikTok. Okay. So the documentary was coming out and Showtime was really hoping that I would open a TikTok account and do TikTok. God, is that so real? My 12-year-old was like, mom, please don't. I was like, that is so cringey. I'm on TikTok and it's so gross. I'm going to join it. You know that word cringey though?

1:05:13Dana Carvey:Yeah, fuck yeah.

1:05:15Sheryl Crow:When you're doing something that you shouldn't be doing because you're not cool. It's cringey. Yeah, that's right.

1:05:20Dana Carvey:I'm thinking of joining it though I don't know I don't look at any social media but I've heard of it Dana doesn't even look and he gets comments and I have to answer for him because they go hey what does Dana think and I go Dana would probably I don't see look at anything but I do from what I understand the New York you should do TikTok you would be huge well thank you okay I'm saying that and I don't thank you Cheryl you don't know anything that's based on no knowledge of anything well I was reading New York Times had a 20 page article on what is TikTok So essentially I got the idea that rhythmic musicality is shared.

1:05:55Dana Carvey:Like you make something like if I did chop broccoli, then other people take it and go with it. So I don't know if it is, if it is about audio musicality, catchphrasing.

1:06:04Sheryl Crow:Chopping broccoli could work. She chop. Cheryl knows what it is. Chop. I do. I know. I do. Chopping broccoli. Yeah. I've said that in my kitchen to my boys and they look at me like, what? We got to get your boys up to speed, man.

1:06:17Dana Carvey:My kids don't like me. I try to turn them on to all the good stuff. They don't think I'm funny. They just show me. You got to make them watch Joe Dirt and Ben Schwarmers. Oh, they're going to watch Joe Dirt for sure.

1:06:28Sheryl Crow:And they need to know who the church lady is for sure.

1:06:32Dana Carvey:And Wayne's world. They usually. And Wayne's world.

1:06:34Sheryl Crow:They need to know. Yes, they will. They will. Get them up to speed. And then next time we go to down there, we'll make Cheryl come out to the show. Hey, would y 'all please let me know if you ever come to nashville i'm your buddy i know but i didn't i definitely i love nashville i we think about moving there all the time i mean it's cool just

1:06:59Dana Carvey:don't come here and buy a house oh california come on out to take over californians making the prices go up that kind of thing interlopers oh my gosh you have no idea montana i'm from montana it's all going on up there all the billionaires are coming in i'll take five of those there's a great comedian Theo Vaughn one of my good buddies lives out there so when I go see him I'll play the Ryman and then I'll make you come down please how many seats is the Ryman I want to go in there and rock that place how much is it 20 300 I think I played it once yeah it's 20 somewhere around I did play it used to be grant was it the Grand Ole Opry or am I being stupid

1:07:34Sheryl Crow:it was the Grand Ole Opry and before that it was a church way way early before that it was a

1:07:40Dana Carvey:whataburger well i played it i played it and i came off stage and cheryl happened to be there and she goes that was that was good i'm kidding that was so you really went out there didn't you she goes oh they're a little tight why do we have all this self-loathing what the fuck is going on here's the one to say dana when you get up when cheryl gets off i'm gonna go fuck that crowd i'm gonna get in the fetal position i thought i did good i thought they liked me No, they were tough

1:08:08Sheryl Crow:No, that was a hard crowd, man

1:08:09Dana Carvey:No, we'll get them We'll get them later I'm going to get in the fetal position And cry myself to sleep With questions I should have done better

1:08:16Sheryl Crow:Oh, no, you aren't Hey, this was the best podcast I've ever done Ever

1:08:20Dana Carvey:Thank you We're the best We love you You know, she's really good On the podcast She's got to be straightforward You don't have to play any games I do Paul now I actually write songs as Paul Okay, wait When you interviewed Paul

1:08:35Sheryl Crow:Did you do Paul?

1:08:36Dana Carvey:Oh, yeah. Did you do it? Did you do Paul in your interview? I might have done it a little bit. I was a little, I couldn't, you know, I was trying, I didn't want to piss him off. But I probably did a little bit. Yeah. I was like, I'm Dana's Yoko. I mean, there's just so many things you're scared to say to him because he seems very light on his feet. But he's too respected. You can't risk it.

1:08:58Sheryl Crow:Yeah, he's a sir, right? Yeah, it's too big a deal.

1:09:02Dana Carvey:We didn't go there with a sir. At first, I read a lot of Liverpudlian phrases. So I said, did you have your brekkie? Your brekkie. But he was just waking up. He had a cup of coffee. I don't think he knew what I was talking about. Because that's breakfast in Liverpudlian language. A scouser. You know, we had a good time. This is him now. You know, we did some things. We tried. He got into it. He got into it toward the end. We loved it. He started life. We were getting stuff for me, Cheryl. It was just electrifying. And he wanted to talk about the Beatles the whole time.

1:09:33Sheryl Crow:Oh, my God. But I didn't know that in the beginning. You can't wait to hear it. From the guy. All right.

1:09:38Dana Carvey:So anyway. All right. Let her go back to - Cheryl, everybody loves you. Yes. You're a great artist. I don't like, you know, legacy, what's that? And you know, you're in Nashville. You're like a teenager. Yeah. You know? A teenager, really? National teenager at 60. Country music does not have an age. That's what's brilliant about it. No, it's true. It does not. You do pop, rock, jazz. You do every style, but you also can do country.

1:10:05Sheryl Crow:I have to say, I feel like I'm in my 20s.

1:10:10Dana Carvey:You look like you're in your 20s.

1:10:11Sheryl Crow:And that's why I really like doing podcasts, because as far as your listening audience knows, I look like I'm in my 20s. There, I said it. You look great. Your voice is still raspy and sexy, and then your singing is still perfect. Because I'm still smoking like a fiend. No, I'm kidding. You stayed really fit, even when you were touring.

1:10:30Dana Carvey:I was going to ask how you stayed so fit. throughout your career? Because usually you tour a lot.

1:10:37Sheryl Crow:I mean, I have to admit, it is genetic. What? Yes, it's genetic. I'm from a long line of small, petite, wiry people.

1:10:49Dana Carvey:So you don't gain weight. And you work out on stage when you're out there.

1:10:53Sheryl Crow:I work out on stage. And I'm very, I mean, I get up in the morning and I do not sit down. I mean, I'm always doing. Her backstage rider is five Triscuits and a Slim Jim. And that's all I get all day. That's it. And one five-hour energy. Actually, that's mine. All right, Cheryl, let's let her go, Dana. She's been too nice. Guys, thank you. Bye, Cheryl. It's good to see y 'all.

1:11:17Dana Carvey:We'll see you soon, I'm sure, in Nashville.

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