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Podcast Summary: Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - Episode Featuring Zach Galifianakis
Podcast Overview Hosts: Dana Carvey and David Spade Episode Title: RE-RELEASE - Zach Galifianakis Description: In this episode, Dana and David revisit a live show with comedian Zach Galifianakis, where they share stories and engage in humorous banter, reflecting the style and energy characteristic of their podcast.
Key Themes and Highlights
Introduction
- Dana and David express their admiration for Zach Galifianakis, describing him as a "true original" in comedy.
- They recall a live performance at Largo, highlighting the packed house and the vibrant atmosphere.
The Nature of the Podcast
- David mentions a friend's skepticism about the podcast's guests, specifically questioning the inclusion of Zach Galifianakis.
- Dana emphasizes that they have many memorable episodes, indicating that not every episode is widely recognized.
Zach Galifianakis's Career Insights
- Zach discusses the genesis of his famous "Between Two Ferns" series:
- Initially conceived as a part of a pilot produced by Scott Aukerman.
- Originated from his experiences at a cable access station, where he appreciated the unconventional nature of low-budget production.
- He explains the format of the show, emphasizing its improvised nature and the importance of awkwardness in the comedy.
Behind-the-Scenes Stories
- Jennifer Aniston Encounter: Zach recounts a moment when he almost introduced a Brad Pitt look-alike during an interview with Jennifer Aniston, sensing her discomfort and ultimately deciding against it.
- Discusses his comedic style and how it sometimes pushes boundaries, referencing Sean Penn's serious demeanor during a sketch.
Personal Anecdotes
- The episode includes various humorous exchanges about their experiences in stand-up comedy and their interactions with other comedians.
- Zach reflects on his childhood, humor in his family, and how it shaped his comedic outlook.
The Hangover and Acting Career
- Zach shares memories from filming "The Hangover" and the unexpected success of the movie, noting a sense of camaraderie among the cast.
- He touches on the pressures of auditioning and how he approached his role in the film with a laid-back attitude, believing it might be his last shot in Hollywood.
Thoughts on Other Comedians
- They reminisce about their interactions with the late Louis Anderson and Brody Stevens, sharing anecdotes that highlight their unique comedic styles and contributions to the scene.
Conclusion
- The episode ends with the hosts praising Zach's authenticity and talent, labeling him as one of the great comedians of their generation. They express their appreciation for him as a guest and a friend.
Key Takeaways
- Creativity and Authenticity: Zach’s journey showcases the importance of originality in comedy, as illustrated by "Between Two Ferns."
- Comedic Boundaries: The hosts discuss the delicate balance of humor, particularly when it comes to pushing boundaries in a way that is enjoyable rather than alienating.
- Friendship and Banter: The dynamic between Dana, David, and Zach illustrates the strong bonds forged in the comedy community, evident through their lighthearted exchanges and shared laughter.
Final Notes This episode serves as a nostalgic reminder of Zach Galifianakis's journey in comedy and the camaraderie shared between the hosts. Their authentic banter and shared experiences provide listeners with insight into the world of comedy from three seasoned professionals.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00one of my favorites dana zach galifianakis one of the true originals yeah he is he's in his own lane own lane uh always makes me laugh fun to just talk to him we'll always try to watch him if i hear he's going on somewhere stay in the room and watch uh and so we happen to have him live at the largo with a packed house yeah and largo's right up his alley and what a fun dude i love that he did it we we always crack up um three of us together was really fun for me and largo's a good spot for it so i just remembered that being like a really really nice time yeah it was a hot crowd you know it's a it's a very hot theater you know someone the other day said i don't know if i like your podcast i go have you heard the zach galifianakis episode and they got no they were they were like why you had him on your show yep have you had anyone i've heard of and we're like who have we not and they're like what and i go oh i don't know And then they're like, huh?
1:07And then they're like, what? But we have these things in our quiver, these tasty gems from our past. We don't expect everyone to remember to listen to every - Every Galdang episode. So we're throwing you some of the hits. Here is one of our faves in the business and one of the faves of our podcast guest, Zach Galifianakis.
1:36Hey.
1:40Yeah, you go there. It started. It's already almost over. Okay. You said a great song. I thought it was good, you know. I did an impression within the first 20 seconds. Damn, this chair, look at our chair differential. The fuck? I'm like a Muppet. You're like 6 '2 in that thing. I'll go closer. I'm going to get up front and be like this. What's up, Zach? What? Is Zach here yet? I got up at six. That's it. We're warning them it's going to be bad. I'm punchy. I'm overtired. I'm like a baby. I'm overtired. Let's bring Zach out. Let's bring him out. Yeah, that's the beginning. All right, Zach. Welcome Zach Galvanakis.
2:28Zach Galvanakis. Shit. Zach It was a little louder for Zach If anyone's counting Alright Okay, Zach Galifianakis Zach's Zach Galifianakis Yeah I'm just gonna say it, you're something else man Yeah, something else You look like Wolverine right now with that hair Oh really, I'm sorry I actually have cool hair Plugs are coming in nice. Yeah, a lot of pluck work. A lot of pluck work. Real nice. New crops coming in. So how you doing? Is that it? I'm doing well. I'm a half mile away from you. I'm doing well. David, why is that chair that way? This one? I don't know. It's for orthopedic issues. Oh, okay.
3:20He likes to be... Seems erect. No, I don't know. This is good. Okay. Anyway, we don't have to talk about it. No, it's all right. Zach, enough of this bullshit. So, Zach, can we butter you up a little bit? Yeah, let's butter him up. Okay. How the fuck did you come up with the two ferns thing? Because that's too crazy. Some of you remember. Coming hot right out of the box. Because that thing is, I saw every episode today. Oh. Today? Well, I've seen them before. I'm almost 80. I have to refresh my memory. This is an illusion. It's a lot of blood and gut and sweats and tape. So when did you come up with that?
4:01Yeah. It was part of a pilot that they were doing, and this guy Scott Ackerman was producing it. Scott Ackerman. He asked me to do it.
4:19Come on up, Scott. But he just said, would you do something? And I just said, for some reason, I had this thought. I just said, can you get me two ferns and some kind of celebrity? And I had worked at a cable access show or station. I interned one in college. and so I kind of like that world that kind of low end desperate try to wait a way to communicate I actually had a taped a class at a cable access show about how to how to waltz and I got my two friends you know back when you could do this stuff you can't do it anymore And we just put him in gowns. And it was a very straight video and dance lessons on cable access on how to waltz with not trying to be funny.
5:25So that kind of weird world I knew. Scott Ackerman asked Michael Cera to be in the first one. And we just kind of made it weird and creepy. And I always thought celebrity interviews are. what do you mean? Ridiculous. No, they are. He's talking like Axis Hollywood. Oh, okay. I got it. It's a little, yeah. I mean, it's just such a bizarre thing But let me ask you a question about this. So the guest comes in and I understand from my research today that you didn't really prep it with them. Did they have cue cards or they don't even know what's coming and then you guys just go right at it? Or do they kind of know where you're going?
6:16No, nobody really knows what's going on. I mean, even us. I mean, we have written things down. And I think the idea is they don't need to be funny. They just need to kind of answer questions. and I think the the awkwardness kind of fills in the rest of it and then often part of it is improv and we just kind of or I'll give them something to say back at me that's very mean so it's kind of a very give and take, it's not a prank, I don't want to prank people. Because I'm sure people because you know, the publicists in this world are very hawkish and they don't want you to do anything where you're going to look stupid so So you take the Michael Cera one maybe and they either see that because that probably goes up on Funny or Die maybe back then pretty quickly.
7:10And then that catches on. So they go, someone might even call you and say, hey, I'd like to be on this because it's my type of humor. And the people you have on obviously are funny and they're huge stars. And when they go along with it, it makes them look better. It's all good. It's sort of when you're on SNL and you go with it. Like if you let them make fun of you and goof around, it seems to be funnier. Yeah. I mean, that is all true. I mean, but there's been some times when I've Go sideways a little bit That's what I'm going to ask you I don't really, I don't know if I've even, I don't know if I've even spoke about it but I don't even know if I have but there's been a couple of instances and I don't mean to bring people up but Yes The name of this show is Name Names The reason I bring it up because I was just talking about it to somebody today at lunch for some reason so I interviewed they brought it up at lunch today and they interviewed I mean I interviewed Jennifer Aniston yeah you know from Smart Water Jennifer if you're listening we love you I only know her because of Smart Water what about her shampoo commercials she's got wonderful hair We want you to be on Jennifer I mean I don't So did you say something to her You thought it crossed the line No In the wings I had a Brad Pitt look alike Of course Oh boy And so I wanted to tell her About it before we started filming So I kind of asked her If I could have a word with her You know like a vice principal someone who looks like Brad Pitt might be expensive no I wasn't how many people look like I'm scale minus 10 so you pull her aside and you say is it okay we try this and I said I have a Brad Pitt lookalike here and as soon as I said it I read her face and it was her I felt so bad and I don't even know anything about that thing I mean, I know that was in the things, but in the papers.
9:29But so I don't know much about it. But so, of course, I called it off. So I went up to the Brad Pitt lookalike to tell him we don't need him. He's rough. Yes. And I, as a joke, I kind of went, well, I said, listen, we don't need you. Thanks for coming. And as a joke, I said, do you happen to look like anyone else? and without pausing he goes Colin Farrell so yeah there's those little don't get rid of me yet I'm a chameleon oh it's a living you know and Jennifer is very funny yeah she's a very funny girl I think that might be you know they come on there to be fun he says he's reading the papers you're calling her a girl it's 2023 guys is she funny I mean is she a girl yeah she's great she'd be a woman I guess you call it my boy I'm sorry I say girl a lot but she is very fun person I think when they go on they kind of know what they're getting into and then it probably goes a hair farther than they think yeah I mean I think the idea is to try to rattle a little bit as much as you can read people and push it there's been a couple times that yeah I was going to ask you about that what well has there been times where like would you do one with Mike Tyson
10:58I don't really do him anymore
11:03Sean Penn's scary enough But you're a fan of Don Rickles right Because you did that show So Don Rickles to me as a kid growing up Was the funniest guy on television The reason is because everyone loved him He'd put you down and then he'd go The show started, put Ed in the corner, give him a cookie He doesn't know. It was so dry and so bizarre. There were no jokes. Do you feel like that was an influence for the character, the Fern guy character to ride that line? Because it's funny because you're going right at some sort of truth about them. And if they have a sense of humor about it or a perception of them, they laugh really hard.
11:39Right. I mean, part of it, I mean, if you were to really break it down, I guess, is that they are public figures that people kind of want to unfortunately jab at anyway. There's some of that to it. And I think at the end of the day, I think it's the media and all the things. People are human. We're all, you know, obviously. And I think people that are willing to make fun of themselves, I think that's a real nice attribute to someone. And even if it's staged a bit, I think being able to laugh at yourself in that kind of way is a nice thing. I've been asked to do them with other people, presidents of companies, and Pepsi has asked to sponsor it to get blown out of proportion.
12:30And I've always just wanted to keep it free online and keep it clear of those other things that get in the way sometimes. Yeah, the monetization people would come in and go, this is a fun. We've monetized it a bit, but only in a way that we see fit. I mean, we've been asked to do a Super Bowl commercial using it. And? It's coming out next week. I can't remember. They got a really good deal. I did a Puppy Bowl commercial earlier. I'm for sale. Church Lady is locked and loaded for a Super Bowl. Go deep. By the way, first of all... I'm ready. I'm going to sell out in a second. Zach, I've done... Dane and I both, obviously, sell out kings here.
13:22We've done... Well, we all are. We do corporate gigs, and when you do them, they go, our CEO... Say something about... I don't even know if the guy works there. He's like, when you get up there, say, he's got three balls. He beats his wife. Do something about that. Just throw it in there. Mix it up. Throw it in the middle. And then you go... And then you do it, and everyone goes, what? And you go, does this guy work with you? He just told me. So they try to do that, and that's kind of what they want to do to a CEO, like roast him or something. And you go, it's not even funny. Sometimes they're drunk.
13:52And I was playing, Earth, Wind, and Fire were supposed to. I was opening for them. The CEO got drunk. I was. The CEO got drunk. It went on for like two hours. So I was getting paid a lot of money. They go, you can only do 15 minutes. But I went over a little bit, and I guess Earth and Wind came out, but Fire wouldn't. That was a long way for that joke. That's a good joke. I don't mind it. Did you really open for them? I did open for them. I opened for a lot of people. Tower of Power, Todd Rundgren, Robert Palmer. Really? I bombed every fucking time. Yeah. Jesus Christ. Your hero will be on in a second, but for first, Dan Aglarfo.
14:28They must have ruined your name when you first started doing stand-up. Oh, my God. Everybody, I mean, geez. How would they say it? Well, they just tried to make it sound somewhat ethnic. and they're like give it up for Baklava Rodriguez
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16:29But you said so many jokes. And for her to play along, and I thought it was real for a while, and then I go, Jesus, this is so weird. And then it took me a while to figure it out. Too long. And then so I started going, oh, this is great. And then when you would do them, you obviously didn't overdo it. You didn't do too many. They weren't super long. It was just a great, great bit that lives out there on the Internet, which everyone should see. I don't know where I'm going with this. Dana, jump in. would you like to say anything in your defense Zach speaking of that one we shot in a garage I think we shot that one in a garage right around here right in Hollywood somewhere the thing about that one is there's a line in it, not to be vulgar but it's something about did you shave your Okay You said Can we hear it?
17:28She was in V for Vendetta Yeah and then there's a punchline Did you shave your V for vagina Yes That one caught me off guard So To Natalie Portman In a garage Yes In a garage In a garage With loose tools about By the way I barely understand that joke I know I think I saw that movie I don't know There's something It sounds funny But the fact that I think it's the fact That I'm asking it Yes So anyway if I remember correctly, she was quite good with the whole thing and then we sent it to her just to show it to her and I had asked that joke to be left out of it. I said, can you edit that out? We'll send it to her.
18:16And her note was, where's that vagina joke? Oh, I love her. I don't know if that was the exact note. where is the vagina joke something like that by the way there's a dog in that day yeah she's unreal there's a dog that you keep cutting to which is even funnier the dog rolls over his back and then when something dies or just sits there then they cut over to the dog it all works and then I Sean Penn one Sean looked very cool in that one I'd be scared of that one and then uh Sean Penkin yeah I had a fight with him I was in a dress at the time but you know he said hit me harder he said you can hit me harder yeah there's no problem so I hit him I would like to one day talk to him about the one we did because it was they bring it up because it was it was an interesting it was an interesting day well was was he truly upset or was he he was very quiet he was very quiet he's a good actor yeah or he's a good actor um um and uh i i think he may have been ready to deck me in real life i i don't know maybe he was doing a method thing and i i don't so he he held it so serious that you weren't sure if he was serious he might have been yeah and and and i have worked with him i mean i not that i know him but you know he has a good sense of humor.
19:46He really does. Yes. Huge laugher and he loves to go see stand-up. But in that moment it was odd. I remember watching that. Was it something you was it a line that you gave him that you felt tweaking? You said something because weren't you playing your brother or something? I was playing this overly well it's not really over top there are people like this in the South. Really end him for the wrong reasons type person. Okay, and how does that guy talk? Well, it's based on a character I used to do in high school called the, I think his name was, of the effeminate racist. And...
20:36I remember that Skittles, yeah. So it's just a guy that talks like the S. and so friends of mine that were black in high school would bump me in the hallway so i would this character would be released and i would say to them my mom told me not to talk to black people and they go crazy would die laughing because they understood at the time that i was mocking it all you know so that's where that kind that's where that came from that was as simple as that Well, there was something, Dana, where he goes, Sean, and he's doing this, and he's sort of prodding. He goes, did you get into, I'd get into Hollywood just so you could go to all the parties and all the wrong reasons that Sean wouldn't want.
21:21Sean is very funny, unlike his persona out there. And so I like that he's going along with it, but he was so serious. Then he goes, I could walk over there and knock you the fuck out right now. And even I was like, God damn, he gave that a good reading. I think he knew it was funny and interesting. I think he was playing. It was good. I don't think he was offended. I'd like to ask him. We haven't spoken since. His kids and my kids went to school together, or at least played sports together up in Northern California. So I'll talk to Sean. Yeah, ask him. Can you fix it? Hey man. I want to smoke.
22:00If you could smoke and not get diseases, I would definitely be smoking right now. There's nothing cooler, right? It's like, tell us some more, Zach. anyway can we go back to you as a young person then like yeah you like you strike me as like an introverted extrovert like you're shy in in a way i think we are maybe well i think i am but yeah well it doesn't matter anyway um but then you have this powerhouse thing that comes out like in high school did you go to theater group or are you just funny with friends or what were you like in grade school high school just walking around uh just walking around just at the beverly I mean, you know, I think I was somewhat quiet, but I think, I mean, humor in my family was seen in very high regard.
22:52So my cousins and my brother, my family is funny. You know, I kind of watch them even as the quiet person I thought I was or I think I was. so I was kind of this more kind of observant kid that thought maybe one day I could through my observations maybe make a thing out of it and you were thinking that like at age 8, 10, 12 but young, young you got the idea maybe you would do this for a little bit this is going to sound weird but it was at my parents' conception of me
23:29doesn't sound weird at all my ultrasound I was killing My brother Brad, I've got three older brothers. He swears he remembers being born, and he's serious. Really? Yeah, he has a photographic memory. He just remembers being born. I'm not kidding, Brad, the guy I based Garth on. But being funny younger really pays off, and I think that's for all of us. At dinner or at school, I was at a school that was a little bit of a pipsqueak, hard to believe, and always bullied and pushed around, but I would quietly say jokes to my friends or under my breath. But that kind of, if you get a little something, that's all I had.
24:03I wasn't super athletic. So if you have some little hook like that, you go, ooh, my dad thought it was funny. You know, people think it's funny, and then you go, oh. And then you try to, maybe that's kind of like that for a lot of comedians. Well, the tall guys didn't have to do anything to get the girls. We, on a bioevolutionary level, we had to be funny. Zach, you're not that short. I'm around 6 '2". Okay.
24:31That's a gigantic chair. It's an optical illusion. Same with me. I look like I'm a foot shorter than you. Look at this. Do you want to switch places? No. Okay. I like it up here. So, Zach, did you take theater? Did you go into that kind of stuff? Or were you straight with friends? No, I just was not. I never did. I did public speaking competitions. I did that once. How's that competition? Just say a lot. It sounds good. Well, my mom wrote the speech. And it was called You and I and Tomorrow. Seriously? Yeah, that was the name of it. Really? Yeah. Was it a public service? It was, I don't remember how.
25:16You and I and Tomorrow. We should do a remake. Yeah, there was a speech contest in North Carolina locally. And then you could go to the state finals. And my brother and I were kind of into it. But never really, no theater, none of that. My mom tried to get me to go to the School of the Arts in North Carolina. She did urge me to go there. She knew that I was eager to figure it out. Was it a school year? School of the Arts in North Carolina. It's a really good school in Winston-Salem. She was your champion. At least she bought into it. My mom would be like, he's quiet, but I swear he's funny. I would hear her say that to my aunts and stuff.
25:59Did she want you to play piano? When did you learn to play piano? Oh, right. So I learned piano. I don't know how to play piano. I don't know how to read music. So I don't know why I was getting ready to tell you. Well, I learned piano. I don't know piano. You seem pretty good to me. Well, I can fake it. But for some reason, only sad music comes out of me. And it goes well with the jokes. You know, didn't you do a VH1 show? and I think you, why do I think there's a piano at the beginning of that? I did. I had a talk show on VH1 years ago and there was the piano was involved during the monologue and I think that's why I had the show because I was like a musical act at the time.
26:46Was it sort of variety where you could, because you're not, you didn't want to just interview like Johnny Carson, like normal straight interviews, I'm sure, right? I was just trying to figure out the format had been beaten to death and I just was trying to figure out how can I do something different but interesting and sometimes funny. Funny was kind of last. But we, on that show, we would have, we would make it look like no one wanted to come to the show. So we would have one person in the studio audience. But we would have a laugh track of a six-year-old. so it was very bizarre it was really a weird show can we find this somewhere?
27:33no, most of those episodes are in my attic can we find the six year old? I don't think they're online I don't know if they are I remember, what was it called? do you remember? it was called 60 Minutes nope it was called Late World Late World? Yeah. How old are you when you do Late World? 30. 30. 30. 30. So how long had you been? I don't know how old I was. I was 35, maybe. I need numbers. How long did you do stand-up in clubs before you got that show? Oh, I was still doing stand-up. And then that show failed, and I went back to doing open mics. So I had a talk show on VH1, and as soon as it ended, I was like, well, back to the old.
28:22So I just went back to the coffee houses. And you weren't really making a living then at stand-up or just a little bit? There was a time where I could go on the road and, you know, do, do make a living. And I was made before I was, I was making a living for a while on the road. Yeah. And you had an hour of, I had an hour of, uh, sometimes the material was a little bit, um, too bizarre sometimes and i there was some alienation i mean it was funny when you were telling me about i opened for this sugar hill gang once and um i said a hip hop hippie okay and i remember getting kicked off stage because i made fun of the bible and i didn't realize i was performing at a bible school like and this this is how they kicked me off the woman just came up to the stage, she goes...
29:16So, yeah, those, I mean, yeah, all those shows, all those terrible shows. Did you have a southern accent when you got rid of it, or did you actually have a little bit of a southern accent? No, I mean, I'm going home in a couple days, and it'll just go back, it just turns back on. It's just as a, it's an easier way to... It's North Carolinian? I mean, what is the... It's not Mississippi, it's not Texas. No, it's like Appalachia, North Carolina, Appalachia, and a lot of people speak through their nose there. and it's like, hey, how are you? But if you go east in North Carolina, it's very breathy, and it's really beautiful, and it sounds nice.
29:54So there's all kinds of different accents that you must pay attention to all the time. What did you think of Daniel Craig's accent in Knives Out? Well, I thought it was kind of cool. I always find Hollywood always does the gong with the wind. I declare I have never seen such a, you know. I think we have a occasion of murder I think we got a murder case it's a little foghorn I thought it was great he's a cool it just has to be funny or sound weird it's entertaining you can go through all the southern accents I'm pretty good with knowing where in the south someone might be from I'm pretty good at it I did a movie where am I from
30:45You don't seem to know where I'm from. You don't know. He doesn't know. You don't know where I'm from, boy. I had a friend. I have a friend from Mississippi. He kind of talks like this. Yes. I'm from Columbia Falls, Mississippi. Yes. Sound just like Homer Powell. That's right. Grew up, and he's a real sincere feller. These snaky fellers trying to get your money, Dana. These are direct quotes. He'll be thrilled he got laughs. Dana, I did a movie where I was playing, they go, you're going to play a New Hampshire accent. So first of all. That's a tough one. I smell an Oscar immediately.
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31:21So I say, they go, go to a dialect coach. So I go to a dialect coach. I'm like doing it. And they go, that's a little more Boston. I took two lessons, right? For the whole movie. And I'm like, listen, guy. And they're like, that's more. And I go, I pulled her aside. I go, here's the deal. My audience is four to eight-year-olds, all right? I just have to sound funny, all right? They're not going to go in there with a microscope. They go, oh, if I just don't sound like Joe Dirt in one movie, they'll be happy, all right? They'll go, oh, that one's different. So it was a kid's movie, and they're trying to get you to New Hampshire?
31:58Well, they're not supposed to be kids' movies. They turn into it because that's... Because you're the star of it. Yeah. Because all my movies aren't TBS because it's the Grown Ups Channel. And it's just a rotation of every movie. I could have helped you. Do you remember those Petridge Farm commercials? Petridge Farm. Petridge Farm. Flaky and delicious. That's the only way I could do New Hampshire. Petridge Farm. That's New Hampshire? Isn't it? I didn't recognize it. Petridge Farm coming different blueberry, strawberry flavors. That's the expert over here. I don't know. Let's take a tour of the South again.
32:29Zach, I'm playing. What do they sound like? I'm playing Durham. Durham. Is that a city? That's a city. That's where Duke University is. And I'm excited to playing that. But any trouble? Should I worry about it? That's where my dad's from. That's where he's... I don't have any comps left, but...
32:50Normally, it would be easy. I get it. No, I'm excited to go there. It's a good city. It's a good city. I never play down. I love the South. Yeah, I do too. I miss the Carolinas. I was going to ask Zach something else. Oh, you were in... How far did you get in the Scouts? I heard you were in the Scouts. I was in Eagle Scout. Is that the complimentary molestation? Where's my notes? Where do my notes go? Oh, here they are. Here they are. I'm kidding, Zach. We're taking that out. No, no, that's fine. We're taking that out. Or we're putting on a loop for promotion. Zach's like, if that was actually written down, I'm walking out of here.
33:29Oh, well, let's ask him about... What do you want to ask him? I want to... Well, we can talk about The Hangover. You were in The Hangover. This is like the theater show. Well, Hangover was like a - You were in the Hangover, and then everyone applauds. That calls - Applaud! Goddamn. They don't know. Hangover, of the last 20 years, the two that got me the hardest as comedies, because I don't really - I see all the strings. Hangover and Tropic Thunder. Yeah. Those are the two that caught me flat-footed. And you were in which one? I was in - Sorry. I was in the Hangover. So you go from comedian's comedian, people know you, you're going along, you've done a special, live Purple Onion, stand-up special, and then Todd Phillips calls, and you go on what happens next.
34:18Are you the first choice for that, or do you know? Do you remember? It's a real question. Listen, I've been a fallout on every movie I've ever done. Oh my God. I don't know, that's not a mean question. And that's just like sometimes the movies come together and they go, we got this one would be a good accent. Obviously, Zach's great. It's a funny part to play. And they let you do. It seems like Todd, who seems like a really funny, cool guy, let you do what you do. And well, I think he I think he was doing I think he was going to stand up clubs. I think that's what he had told me. And then that's where he knew me from, because I don't know if I'd done much otherwise to be seen on on screen.
35:01But so he asked me to audition. I think I was living in Canada and I just I'm terrible. I just don't like to audition. I'm it's I've always been bad at it. I usually make I usually get I mean, I was just I have so many stories about we all do. But could you tell us one of a really. Well, I mean, I don't want to. But there's just so many, you know, I just was so not into the process of it. I mean, the first time I ever got a laugh in an audition was when I first auditioned for a drama.
35:48And they were laughing at me. Well, sometimes the problem is if you're a comedian, you read things and it feels sort of stiff because you're a bit quirky or charactery. And so when you're reading super flat lines that are just written for a generic comedy, they'll tweak them later if it's him or somebody. But as is, it's sometimes for your personality. Maybe it doesn't. It's not hilarious when you do it because it's so basic. But if you brought your stuff to it, then it's funny. So maybe he saw if you could bring your weirdness to it, then it's great. Well, I think also at that time I was a bit older and I think I was kind of not to be cavalier about it, but I think my attitude was, well, this is probably going to end soon, meaning this pursuit of whatever this is.
36:39Oh, I see. I don't really care as much because I'll just kind of try to exit without caring. if that makes any sense so you were that you get the hangover you're thinking this is pretty much a mic drop I'm out of here no meaning I'm not going to get this I'm not going to get this job I will just I think my mindset then was you know I tried doing show business you know at that time I mean you know you kind of beat yourself up sometimes and I didn't really know what I was doing and I mean who does but anyway I flew down from Canada and auditioned, and I think I remember leaving, getting into my stretch Hummer.
37:24So you were doing well. And telling Sugar Ray to scoot over.
37:31Oh, God, I laugh, but I did a pilot with him 20 years ago.
37:39But then I got the job, and then you do the, you show up for work and you start acting in it. I remember going to dinner with the other actors with Bradley and... I forget the other names. Ed Helms? It's only Bradley. Who gives a shit about the other guys? Bradley Cooper. Bradley and Ed and I think Ken and... We were all at dinner and I said to them, this movie seems good. I've never had this feeling before. So I felt there was a real kind of energy on set there that was, you know, sometimes that happens and it doesn't translate to the screen. There's great energy on set. Everybody's like, well, this is...
38:32But that one, Todd is a very good editor and a really good director that knows how to steer that stuff. Sure, you sort of need all the components and you can lose it anywhere along the way. But if you do it and you're doing like maybe you're doing extra takes where you're just trying different jokes and screwing around for. Plus, we all remember The Hangover wasn't a huge movie and it was probably not a big budget and no one you're not going into it going, oh, I just got the Avengers. It's like, oh, I just got a comedy. It could go away. It could be nothing. But it turns it blows up, obviously, into a huge thing.
39:04So it would be probably even scarier to audition for something if you know it's that big. Like people that are auditioning for the sequel are like, holy shit, this is a huge movie. Yeah, I had to audition for the sequel You did?
39:20I had to see Hollywood That's shameful You were so good in the first one I had this guy come up to me once and he goes Hey, are you an actor? I go, yeah He goes Are you the guy from Hangover 2?
39:40I don't even know how I answer I think I just walked away. I didn't know what this... Where's the baby now? Do you still stay in touch? They didn't, like... Todd... They had a baby. That sounds like Brody. Brody! Oh, my God. Brody Stevens is a great comedian. Zach was very good friends. I was friends with... He toured with me for a while at the very end and passed away. And, God, I was just thinking today because I knew you were close with Brody. So I was clicking from your stuff because honestly I don't know who you are. And I was clicking from you and then I'm jumping over to Brody's trying to remember all his jokes.
40:23I just saw a clip of him. Classic Brody, not bombing, but getting so mad at the crowd. And the crowd's like, we didn't do anything wrong. They're just not laughing that much. And he's going, arms crossed, negative. And he was doing all his jokes. I'm dating a girl from Greece, the movie. she's 75 you know you know how many I was trying to think of all these jokes he has Dana I don't know if you knew them and everyone we'd stand in the back and laugh I uh that talk show at VH1 I was talking about earlier he was the warm up guy and uh I would like peek behind the curtain to see what was going on and Brody just would be going Whopper or Big Mac you make the call that's actually probably pretty good I mean for a warm up guy just energy right You know what?
41:10He did it on our Lights Out show, and I'd peek my head at the same thing, and they'd go, hey, something's going on out there, and he goes, you're negative. You're negative. You don't deserve David Spade. He was in Police Academy 4. He's from Michigan, and he's not coming out until I give the green light. And I'm going, what? Why is he yelling at the crowd? The crowd is like nine people, you know. But he had so many goddamn fucking jokes. One of my favorite moments with him, God, it's early on and we were hanging out. We were in my apartment in Santa Monica and Margaret Cho was on television and we were just watching it in silence.
41:53I don't mean it like that, but we're just watching it. And after a couple minutes, Brody just yells at the TV, not trying to be funny, she had a sitcom, why come me don't have one?
42:09Why come me? Why come me don't have one? He answered his own question. He goes, I'm doing pretty well in show business. I, uh, I finally, I'm finally able to take my mom out to lunch and pay for half. Is that it? I'm a professional mangler. Uh, one more. I, uh, I am not a member of the Mile High Club, but I did masturbate on the Ferris wheel at the Pomona County Fair. So many jokes. He was so funny. But I'm saying him because he was in, I think you put him in one or two things, because he goes, you know me, I'm the guy from Hangover. Hangover 2, due date, cut out of funny people. Yes. Yeah. He, yeah, I think, well, Todd saw Brody, Todd Phillips saw Brody while I was doing shows at the old Largo.
43:04So that's why Brody's in those movies. I didn't have anything to do with it. Oh, okay. If I had something to do with it, he wouldn't have been in any of them. Todd's got a good eye, though. But I miss him so much. I was missing him so much. David, I may have told you this the other day, but there wasn't a podcast, so I'll say it again. But I was missing this guy we're talking about, Brody, and he was known for alienating audiences. That was one of the reasons I think comics liked him. Charms, yeah. perversely is we would all rush out to see him turn audiences away. We had a few of those in San Francisco.
43:48And he's bombing in Montreal, who used to have this baseball team and blah, blah, blah. And Brody just looks out at the audience while he's bombing, and he yells out, No wonder the Expos left!
44:05He was a pitcher at ASU, I think, and he goes, I threw 88 with movement he would say that in the middle of his act too a very funny guy I don't I won't read all his jokes so Hangover worked out for you is that the end of that story? yeah did you so this is the first time you're getting actual extra extra money did you buy a Rolls Royce or anything? did you do anything with what was that like when you first had extra extra money? yeah I bought four elephants smart No, I mean, I bought a place in North Carolina, a farm. Not a farm, but a place to try to be a farm. For a nickel. But I don't live there anymore.
44:49But yeah, I got that, and then I... You went home and bought them all? Just to show off. I don't remember. I got a lot of fur coats for all my aunts. did you everybody gets a
45:16did you you like to farm right oh i i mean my fantasy is to be a farmer one day but i i look it's that's hard work it's to for some entertainment guy to say that is kind of but But that's what I feel like. Not farm. It's more gardening, to be honest. Okay. But I have a tractor. You have a tractor? I have a tractor. Do you drive it around? No, Dana. It's for my Insta.
45:48Good gardening. I like to work with my hands. I masturbate. Ladies and gentlemen, I... You got it. Ladies and gentlemen.
45:58It's Brody again. Oh, yeah, he goes, I've been doing porno. I do a one-man scene on a yoga mat in Chatsworth. I don't know. Let's talk about Baskets. Baskets was a great show. I don't have to tell this crowd. You don't have to tell this crowd, Jack. They know. Baskets. That's it. You only do cool stuff, seems to me. I've done a lot of shit. You do a lot of cool stuff. You do cool stuff. It seems like you do it on your own terms. Like they let you do your thing, which isn't always the case with everyone. And it's sort of the dream for any comedian. Like, let me just do my own thing. Like Curb is always an example of like, that'd be fun to do something like that, where you could just do your own thing.
46:44And it's very, very hard to do those things. I mean, people look at it and go, that's such a great show or baskets, but to write it, cast it well, make it make sense. All that stuff is exhausting. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of thought that goes into it. and sometimes you get lucky and most of the time you get unlucky, but sometimes you get lucky with things kind of come to place. I mean, I think that show, if I could bore you with it a bit, is we were just trying to be... I had not seen regular people on television portrayed without... I just wanted to ground a comedy so it could be emotional.
47:25Like a sheen of Hollywood on them. with not this, I wanted it to be dusty, and I wanted it to be more real than I have seen, especially the comedy world. And I asked John Kreisel, the director of it, can you figure out this dusty world I'm trying to tell you about in this rodeo clown world? So, you know, we did our research a little bit and started casting and writing it. and yeah it's a show it was so fun to work on and yeah it was a lot of fun and a lot of work I was just thinking about Louis Anderson when I was talking about it and I just heard he died today
48:14he would have fucking laughed yes every comedian laughs at any joke by that But you know, Louis was... When did that strike you? When did you figure that out? I'm going to have Louis play my mom. Louis C.K. and I were talking... All the Louis's. Well, there were two Louis's in this conversation. Louis C.K. and I were talking about the mother, to cast the mother. And he was asking me what I was thinking about. And I said, well, oh, I'd already called this British actress named Brenda Blethin, who I really, really like, but for some reason that didn't work out. Or she didn't get the email. That's what I think.
49:04She didn't get the email. So I was telling Louis, I was kind of imitating the voice. This is a story I've told many times. And I was doing the voice, and he looked at me and he goes, like louie anderson's voice and i said yeah and louie goes should we call him and i went yeah and that was it we and that was that was there was this weird louie had and i didn't know this but he had been channeling his mom on stage for a long time yeah and that was kind of a luck that was the lucky part about it but i had always loved him. I loved his vulnerability even in his stand. If you can observe these kind of things it's fun to kind of try to figure out and I thought he can do it but I don't want it drag.
50:04Right. It has to be real. The first day they put a lot of makeup on him and I said can we get some of that off. He's the part. So just you know we put some wonderful costumes on him and the makeup was wonderful and Louis is you know I think when you come from such a background like he did
50:37I think his tenderness came from pain on cue Jesus I told my manager if I say something cool make sure you beep something
50:56If I get choked up talking about Louis, beep it so it breaks up the ice.
51:05That's a good audience. But no, I think Louis had this thing in him that was really could throw it out. Heartbreaking pathos in his stand-up and a brilliant stand-up and storyteller. But on set, I would die laugh at work with him. He was funny every second. Oh, my God. God, he just was so great. You know, you probably knew Louis. When I first got to town when I was 20, this is at least eight years ago, I was... So, I don't know where... I saw Louis somewhere, and I didn't know him. I mean, I was in the hallway at the improv, but he was nice. And I was trying to audition at the improv or the comedy store.
51:49Those are the big ones to get in. And I was 20 and I had an okay act. I had about, you know, eight minutes. And so he says, why don't you audition for Mitzi? And I go, oh, I don't even know how to do that. And he said, I'll bring you down. So I went down there, met him. He went and told Mitzi on like their audition night. And I went in the comedy store right here. Did my sit, did okay. Came out on the sidewalk on Sunset and just stood there. And he kind of goes, she didn't like you.
52:22I go, oh.
52:27It's tough, man. I auditioned there once. And then you have to go see Mitzi. Did you go over to her table? No, he was a middleman. You just ushered you out? He spared me watching her go. I'm sure she would have been rougher about it. He was like, yeah. I auditioned. And she said to me, get some puppets. It's not bad advice
52:51I auditioned for her Nothing's happening You're in the main room next night
53:01There's nothing else to ask Nothing else to ask Nose Fiona Apple Do you want to do some SNL We had to ask about SNL Remember Okay God damn Danny I watched both your monologues today. Ah. I'd seen them before. Tana had a big day. I'm telling you, I've been re-researching for 11 hours. No, I... Saturday Night Live, 2010, 2011. Hosting both times. Yeah. And someone today mentioned you and Kenan Thompson's... What's up with that? What's up with that? And you came out, this guy with this long flute in this weird jumpsuit. Yeah. And it's very potent. Was that the double-sided flute? Yeah. You guys remember that?
53:51The Dexter's flute? Yeah. It had no lines. You just came out, played, and pranced. I didn't even know that was you. I saw it. Yeah. But it was something very indelible about that. Yeah, I remember that. I still have the jumpsuit. It's in my closet. I usually don't keep any of that stuff, but that I have. It's comfortable. I wear it a lot in Canada while I'm chopping wood but yeah that was a flute I remember they had like a double thing guitar and I was like I don't know that seems can you build a flute where the guy does this and that's the great thing about that show can you maybe get a prop like this yeah sure they can do anything within 24 hours and you did I read one maybe you were brought in as a guest writer some of the day you said there was a Britney Spears sketch that you pitched an idea with you and Will Ferrell 10 years before you were brought in as a guest writer or something like that well I thought I was brought in as a cast member
55:00they never tell you what you're brought in as no I couldn't figure it out there was a weekend I guess I'm writing so I wrote looking back I feel really bad about it but not that it was a there were two sketches that I pitched to her and it was just she and I in this office alone and Britney Spears the first sketch was Will Ferrell we were going to shrink him down to be the bodyguard to her belly button
55:38love it Love it. Right? That sounds great. That sounds funny. It's great. So that was basically what I said to her.
55:48I remember a tumbleweed going through the conversation. On my back. I mean, it's not her fault. And then I thought at the time, because she was so kind of pop sugary. I said, look, I think it would be funny if you were to do a straight interview with something like Entertainment Tonight and you're just answering these banal questions and you happen to be bleeding from the mouth.
56:22I like that. I like it too. This sounds like a Monday. That sounds good. I just remember she looked at me and then I remember looking at the ground. At the ground. and I remember looking back up and we made eye contact and she goes, yeah, that's funny. She was nice about it. She seems very sweet. She was very nice about it. That's a funny, that's a great thing for her. Blood coming down and trying to, I don't know. I thought maybe it would be kind of a fun thing, but you know, it didn't work. It didn't work for her. Zach, pop stars shouldn't really bleed on her. Rule number 540. So your monologue, I mean, And the second one where you stripped your clothes off, you had a little red jumpsuit on, and then you had a board with letters on it.
57:17Do you want to talk? No, no, it's fine. It's something I had been doing in my stand-up. I mean, in my late 30s, I was going around the country. With the board? With the board and a little orphan Annie dress and glitter. The dress too? Oh, yeah. That was in your club act? oh well at this time I was kind of doing bigger your club act you got your club act I was doing Uncle Tampon's Comedy Cave in Tampa Uncle Tampon's Comedy Cave no I was doing shows and so I had that one under a thing that I it was something I liked doing I was trying to be absurdist and somewhat political at the same time back then.
58:08And sometimes the only way I felt like I could pull that off or at least to have a message or two was to do something very weird. And there were a couple of political jokes buried in that. And then I would change it from time to time. And I actually got, someone tried to sue me because of what was on those flip charts years ago. Really? yeah so I so I would perform as little orphan Annie and close out shows and by the time I was ready to do Saturday Night Live I was I mean I think it was 39 dressed as little orphan Annie you know around the country yeah but this bit is polished yes dancing in a very like you know much too old to be doing that yeah that was the um but um they're like Jon Hamm did this last week you're like what I've been sitting on this I don't even know you yeah that's yeah I remember that bit yeah god Jesus it haunts me do you remember the first time you met Lor Michaels uh um doesn't have to any thoughts about him uh no I don't remember the first time I mean no I do remember in his office yeah in his office when you know when you host you go and you go into that awkward meeting thing that It's a very fun week.
59:33You're excited? You're coming off that hangover heat. The minute you're hot, you feel yourself getting less hot. Lauren has a lot of Lauren. When you know you're hot, you're cold. Anyway, let's bring everyone in. They bring everyone in and they pitch all the ideas. He has popcorn, right? Yeah. He has popcorn all day long. You like butter? It's unsalted, isn't it? Butter? butter I've always liked butter he's an interesting person Jiffy Pop Jiffy Pop Orville Redmond I don't know he never talks about it I don't think he knows I'm doing one it's so bad Dana's he asked me once on an airplane I've been doing it for years behind the scenes but it was too embarrassing to do it in front of him so he asked me he said like you know when you do me like what do you do you know and I balked at that moment you know but years later I was at a restaurant in with Lauren and his two assistants and Rob Lowe in Santa Monica and he said you know do it for me so I started to do it and I said it was just him at the at the board on the Wednesday night picking the show and he would get mad he'd go I still have no fucking first act and then he'd go into the bathroom and coincidentally this is true story so he's he's doing that and then he tells me to tell the Paul McCartney story when I met him at Lauren Michaels' house.
1:01:01So I'm doing Paul like this and going on and on like that. Lauren's looking up and going, could be, yes, yes. And I did an impressionist tap out. And it's Paul. And I'm going, do-ba-do-ba-do-ba-do-ba-do. Oh, Paul was behind you and he knew he was coming in. I get tapped out. Once I had John Travolta, I was on stage in Denver and I'm, you know, these guys are going crazy like that. And then tap out, it's John Travolta. That's funny. Yeah, it's an impressionist tap out. But anyway, Lorne, I think at this point, gets it. Everyone does it. I think he kind of likes it. Don't you think so? It's funny.
1:01:39It's a compliment. It's funny and silly. We all love him. I mean, he's brilliant. Lorne, his isms, his life little things. Marriage is a prison everyone's trying to escape into.
1:01:54That's a great one. Yeah, that's good. I mean, who, and he's got tons of those. He talked about funny people. Are you going to be around funny people? Because there's like only 900 of us on the planet in any given time. And 900 was like the perfect number. Like, really? Is that about it? Like 20 in Poland and like 18 in, you know. There's only 900 funny people on the planet. Feels a little heavy for Poland. But, Lauren, he's a little heavy. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe low teens. So you do the hangover. You're very successful. You do baskets. You do Saturday Night Live. This is a big summary. Big summary.
1:02:34I have some basic questions for you. Yeah, let's drill them. Drill them hard. These are basic questions. When you give to charity, is it for ego fulfillment or to help people?
1:02:46That's a good one.
1:02:50Yeah. I think if people don't know that you've given, then you haven't given. yeah finally or at least that's the motto of this fuck it down when I do the wire I call the press people at the exact same time I go this wire's not going out without Yahoo News knowing let's put us all on one email the best thing about being famous is a good table at soup plantation
1:03:28my best feature is
1:03:34hangover
1:03:39hangover did you say hangover feature film no no my best feature oh I thought it was like looks that's what I that's how I yeah I took it as looks okay yes I have okay I have good legs would you describe yourself as an empath or a narcissist there's no middle ground at all I don't know I just got these out of a book today you know what an empath is empath is empathy okay I'm that one you are so totally that one I am can I tell you David said that I was driving here tonight and David a few years ago a bunch of people were in the green room and we were all just talking about stand up and where we used to do it the old days and David just goes when I first started doing stand up as everybody leaves the room
1:04:42I saw people start to go it makes me laugh all the time I think about it all the time he was here two weeks ago and I talked to him for three minutes and I laughed so hard. I go, I can't even talk to you anymore because I knew we were doing this and I go, God, he makes me laugh so fucking hard. And then I came over here because you're one of my favorites and I start to watch his stand-up and I go, oh no. And then I had to go after you and everyone's like, ugh. That's not true. That's weird because that's a different interpretation of how I felt after that show. Oh, really? You handed me my hat like, that was a tough set.
1:05:15Well, I do that to get in your head. So wait a minute. You fall in here? No, I... Okay, all right. It was... He left his hat on stage, so I grabbed it, and he was leaving, and I went back, and some Davey Crocker... It was like some... And I gave it to him, and I was like, hey, fuck that crowd, man. That's a good one. Then they go, huh? That's... That's the worst thing you can hear when you get... Oh, fuck that crowd. That shit is you bummed. They don't get you. That's the worst. Oh, my God. God damn it. Okay, well, let's let him wrap up. He's been good. He put in his hours. Put in his hours. How, how, what, so this is a podcast?
1:05:56I don't know. We'll, we'll edit it. This will be six minutes. Yeah, I mean, how, like, how, what? You sit through it and you edit it? No, we don't edit anything. How long are the, how long are they usually? Seven hours. No, they're usually about an hour-ish. Okay. So we just went over an hour. Hour ten. Okay. Yeah. Are you angling for more money? Yeah. Are you amazed how disorganized and amateurish we are? Well, I thought they were. I know. I actually, the fact that you guys, and I saw you guys get these chairs out of your cars. We're on a budget. Flanny is tight. So I was impressed with that.
1:06:37Very impressed. I like it. I'm a little nervous talking to Zach. It's fun. It's great to see you. I don't see you much. Always fun to see you on stuff. And it's great. and no bullshit. We think you're, we butter our people up but we're sincere. You know, you're one of the, Mount Rushmore, all time comedians. So funny. Of our generation. Yeah, very interesting dude. Always interesting. I put, I draw a line between you and Will Ferrell only in the sense of the commitment because Will said no one will ever out commit me. Yeah. But you commit, no one can out commit you. Well, Will is, Will is one of those guys I said, Jesus, the way he goes in and even does, like, side bits when you're at work.
1:07:27That man is – I remember when we were working together at the time, it was the terrible – Yeah, and the news was the terrible Penn State. Yeah. And Will's a big sports fan, and he was following that stuff. And I, at that time, I was working on getting the statue of, who's Penn State's coach? Paterno. Paterno. I wanted to put that in Will's yard.
1:07:58I'm a big molester fan. I was following that case, too.
1:08:06This is going to be a very interesting podcast. It's okay. You're revealing yourself. That's good. It's okay now. Supposed to be authentic. I know. These are all just, I don't know. We're at Largo. It doesn't matter. It's Largo, but thanks. Thanks, Zach. Thanks, David. Zach, thank you very much. Thanks to the audience. Thank you. Appreciate it. Hey, guys, if you're loving this podcast, which you are, be sure to click follow on your favorite podcast app, give us a review, five-star rating, and maybe even share an episode that you've loved with a friend. If you're watching this episode on YouTube, please subscribe.
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