SNL Bloopers and Therapy with Tony Hale

14:36Tony Hale:Are you lying?

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19:31Dana Carvey:Oh, real.

19:39now tony i saw briefly at the brunch of the comedians brunch very interesting brunch remember that you see it was hot everywhere hottest day of the year um eating pizza for brunch which i didn't know was the main i'm like ted is it a little tight over there i mean is there are there Is there a room I don't know about?

20:01Tony Hale:I know. It was fun. You kind of wanted to, I wanted to just kind of sit and watch. I almost wanted a viewing platform just to kind of watch everything going on, but then you look like a freak. So you just kind of are darting around. What is the social dynamic?

20:17Dana Carvey:Is it like, you know, there's the chimney corners guys and women in high school, you know, the cool group. And did it sort of naturally separate into whatever level you are anyway? Or was it just totally loose, whatever?

20:32Tony Hale:I don't know. I mean, I kind of, I get pretty excited about the free food and free drinks. So it's like, I kind of, you always gravitate to that. And then they, I would, you kind of run into people that you've worked with before, but we were definitely waiting for the cool kids to get the picture. Because it was like, there was this big group picture that was supposed to happen. And I had to leave because I had to run to the airport. So I couldn't make it. But they were waiting for like the, you know, the big, the big. Oh, you were right.

21:01Dana Carvey:Usually they put spade in the back way off to the side. And I have no idea why in those group photos, David, they don't put you up front and center. Did you find the lens that day? Well, I, well, there's a couple of reasons. One is I was leaving and they said, wait, we're going to do a big picture soon. And I go, oh, oh, that's okay. That made sense. But I didn't really think it because there's such an assortment of people there that you can bump into Chappelle and Rock over there. And then you can bump into Leanne Morgan. And then you can, so pretty much everywhere you turn, you're basically just telling people you're fans.

21:35And sometimes I have nothing to say other than I just think they're good. And it's just fun to watch. Like you said, I just like to see everyone interacting. And then when they find the picture, I had to go somewhere after. And I said, there was a valet. And I go, oh, it's going to be picture everyone to the valet. So I go, let me get in the back on the side and then I'll take it and go.

21:59Dana Carvey:Okay. And you weren't there, Tony. They were throwing stuff at us, made you catch it like this. Was it balloons?

22:06Tony Hale:Was it balloons they were throwing at you? What was it? It was snausages. I don't know what it was. I remember they were like juggling balls. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like, I go, just tell us to do this instead of like throwing or catching. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. overall because you can't help even there with all comics the photographer's like let's add some funny hat on a hat let's go guys yeah yeah yeah and everyone's like just take it it's also so i mean so nice for like ted to open his home like that i mean that's oh yeah it's it's it's just like it was like a nice garden party and you think god this is his home he's just kind of

22:45Dana Carvey:opening it up to a bunch of comics it worked at best buyer we worked i mean ted is still at least the guy I know is still very in touch with his roots. You know, I met him up in Los Gatos just for Netflix as I was going to make a little commercial for them. And I was like, this was just when they were going to announce you could watch a movie on your laptop. And Ted, just one of those people that never went, I'm Ted.

23:09Tony Hale:Yeah.

23:10Dana Carvey:It's just a vibe. He's got this part of his, his success and charm is his charm. Yeah. He's just kind of a huge comedy fan.

23:18Tony Hale:Yeah. Comedy nerd.

23:20Dana Carvey:Crazy, crazy. That's so funny. He invites us or invites everybody over. And then he's like, hey, I get to see a lot of my favorite people and a lot of people that I gave specials to. Yeah. Yeah. They don't really know, but they're here. Some I pay a lot and some I pay less. That's the hard part is like, hey, Ted, remember, because people are arguing about not getting enough. When I heard Chris and Chappelle got 20 million, I will tell you what my first thought was. I'll tell you what it wasn't. Why aren't I getting that? That's what some people are saying. And I'm like, well, first of all, are we all at the level of Chris Rock and Chappelle?

23:59Starting with me, I say no. So it's hard in the business to, again, just in general to say, where am I and how much do I get paid? And oh, really? I heard that guy made that. But obviously you're getting paid a lot more than you'd ever get paid when you were a kid to think. So I try to say, well, I'm getting paid more than a lot of people but less than some i'm trying to look back going i'm doing fine but you can't help but go 20 and then some people came out in public and said why aren't i getting that and i was like oh my god but isn't it good isn't it the poison of always

24:36Tony Hale:in life that person that person is making a dollar more and it's like why are they making a dollar more i mean that's just that's just the same i was gonna ask you that tony how do you

24:44Dana Carvey:manage personally the emotional violence of a career in show business whether it be 10 year old envy or that didn't make it or i hated what they did to me in this thing just it's it's sort of it it's so glamorous to regular people and we all came from being regular people i totally get

25:02Tony Hale:it but it does come with a price yeah so much therapy um okay but i do i mean i do simple things like I took, I mean, I still have an account, but I don't have the Instagram app on my phone. Oh, wow. You know, things like things like that, like my wife can look at Instagram and it's kind of like a scrapbook. Like she's like, oh, this is cool. This is cool. I just don't feel good when I leave it. I don't leave Instagram feeling good. So something like that is small, but it just doesn't help my overall wellbeing, you know? So it's also like the trying i mean this gets into kind of like a meta thought but we like this i was when i long ago when i booked arrested development and it scared me because it wasn't it didn't satisfy me the way i thought it was going to satisfy me and it scared me because i realized i wasn't very present and so it's that whole lesson if you're not practicing contentment where you are you're not going to be content when you get what you want and so i just realized i had never been practice being present.

26:05Tony Hale:And so, so much of my therapy is just honestly, just waking myself up. I got to wake up because I'm, I'm in some other narrative. I'm in a narrative of like being jealous of that person or narrative in the what if or narrative and regret, you know, it's like, I got to like wake myself up.

26:20Dana Carvey:And the agents and managers are, you know,

26:22Tony Hale:have other people and stuff. They'll be heavy. It's real though. It's really true. And I would, while you're saying it, it's heavy to me. I'm like, shit.

26:30Dana Carvey:I want to deep dive into this for a second because it's also driven by the industry. Yeah. I remember the first time I made a million dollars and stuff and they're in the room and like, all right, all right, what's next? And I go, can we just take a second? Someone paid me a fucking million. So it's like, it's never good enough. It's always the next thing. Hey, best work you've ever done. Like, hey, what's up? You know, so. Oh, they always have bigger clients too. They're not excited about you enough. And you're like, what does it take? Or you go to the Emmys. You're lucky enough to even be at the Emmys.

27:07And they go, oh, your picture's back there where you sit. And you're like, oh, it's behind that. Why am I way over? And they go, oh, it's just random. I go, is it? He has himself a close-up.

27:21Tony Hale:But it's also unique to our, you're right. It's unique to our business because you don't go up to a dentist and say, what are you working on next?

27:28Dana Carvey:oh you know his teeth any good one patient yeah what people are and i get it they're curious like

27:35Tony Hale:what's next what's next but you get so trained to thinking we had luke wilson on recently he says

27:41Dana Carvey:luke wilson who seems to work constantly he said a guy came leaned into him recently and she said time for a comeback dude you know yeah yeah and even a guy came up to will ferrell and said are you making any more movies, pal? You know, so it's designed. And you name three movies, he goes, oh, I didn't see those. But anything else? You're like, well, each of those took two years. Yeah. So the therapy of that, I mean, it's a very deep thing to say. I mean, I think the most disgusting human emotion that you can have, and when you have it, you just, you know, Dennis Miller and I would just joke about it, that you actually have, your lighter stepping when one of your peers doesn't do well.

28:28Dana Carvey:Shot and fried. Yeah. And it's such a weird, what's wrong with me? And Dennis and I, we talked all about it. And it's just another one of those funny emotions. Yeah.

28:40Tony Hale:That's what I, but I love that you said that because I remember listening to Chelsea Handler talking about this and she said, you know, if like a friend of hers got something and she had jealous, jealous feelings, she's like, this doesn't make me a jealous person. I just had a feeling, you know, these, these feelings come and go. So if like, you know, you and Dennis had that feeling, it doesn't make you, and there's just a random feeling, but it's like, and I know you're, I know you're saying that, but I, so many years I beat myself like, how could I think that? How could I, does this make me who it's like, no, these are just random thoughts and feelings.

29:09Dana Carvey:I look at it exactly like the rubber hammer on your knee at the doctor's office. It's just a reflex. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, we all have versions of that. I don't know if there's anyone at the top of the pyramid, but going back to Jimmy Stewart for a second, I remember being at this AFI tribute. I'd only been at SNL three months, and I'm at this table, and people go, he's 83, and he's Jimmy Stewart, and they're going, it's not working much anymore, man. Not getting much work. So I thought to myself at that moment, you can't win this game. Yeah, fuck. Yeah. On that level, mentally. Clint Eastwood's looking rough.

29:51yeah well he's 99 yeah and he actually doesn't he looks fucking cool like he always does

29:59Dana Carvey:i agree jack benny he's not even alive but what's he doing you know but it's all reruns with him yeah when when you go to snl and then you're hearing all these whispers of like someone's getting on more there is i would actively admit i was jealous i'd tell adam that was funny i'm so jealous because that's sort of like at least acknowledging something was good or makes you better to go okay i snl was more about upping my own game like i know my level when i came in here as a middle act comic and going i gotta get like this and what's good is when you work with julia or all these people and the rest of it that you go okay we've got really some big hitters here and if i'm even in the mix where they can come to me with some improv and they know they're safe with you and you're going to go back and forth and you're going to be at that level that's just a an accomplishment right there which you don't really think too much but you got to go that's what other people think they're like fuck those guys know what they're doing

31:02Tony Hale:yeah and it takes time i mean it because like it takes time building that kind of trust in those relationships and when you get to that kind of writing that comic wave together i mean there's nothing better because there's that yeah it's throwing the ball and then you're trusting they're going to throw it back and that's just flat out fun i'm just wondering from what you just said

31:20Dana Carvey:in your revelation about arrested development and then you you get another big show veep and it does seem i was looking at some of the clips today you you're just sort of i don't know you seem incredibly in the moment doing that emasculated and anxious that's that tends to be Well, it's just very funny though. I mean, you know, cause comedy's like that. You want to be subconscious. You want to just feel funny. So I'm just curious about your therapy and, and where, how, how's it been going since then? I mean, how are you feeling right now?

31:54Tony Hale:You know what I actually recently did? I mean, is, okay, so I've been in therapy probably maybe 15, 20 years. And over Zoom, and I'll do it over Zoom, or I initially did it over the phone. And during that time, I'll write notes, just what they say. And then recently, probably in the last four months, I, on Claude, I put all my notes in Claude. Oh, interesting. And then I'll have a question about something going on today and it'll, it'll, it'll take from the resource of my notes. And, and it's really, uh, it's really, I mean, I still go to therapy, but it's a really great, that's a great tool. Yeah.

32:37Tony Hale:You know, you know, because therapists know that and are they envious? They have to go to Claude to help them. But it's not like it's because that's pretty much what AI is doing is just taking all this other information, but it's like, yeah. And so even if I find like a really great quote or if I've read something, I'll take a picture of it and it'll just pull from. It adds to the whole picture. Yeah. This is you. Yeah. From every angle. But the stuff they, I mean, the way they can kind of outline and be like, oh, well, this is kind of similar to what's on with this. And it's like, oh, yeah, just to have that kind of reminder, you know.

33:13Or it just says you're being weird. Yeah, exactly. Get it together. That's all you've got. No, I would say when I first therapist, I went to Tony, they go, nice woman. And she says, she kept saying like, I'd blab. It was more fun as to blab. And then she goes, what'd you think about that? And I go, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then she goes, and how'd you feel? I go, hey, after about six times ago, when do you come into the equation? Like, I don't think I know the answers. Why don't you tell me? I really thought after once or twice, you'd be like, here's what's wrong. Yeah. And here's how to fix it.

33:50And I'd be like, thank you. Like it was this leaky faucet.

33:53Tony Hale:I got it now. Or even a tool, like some kind of tool. Yeah. Put in your toolbox for when it happens again. It was.

34:00Dana Carvey:I went for five years. Yeah. Any tools? Where's your toolbox? I mean, I had a hard time buying a guitar. I had a lot of really obvious things. things codependent with people i was yeah really somebody if someone had a problem i would want to solve it you know and then i got extra money and i just mixed that stew you know i was like vanilla ice but and then after i did the therapy and then years later i would you know once you recognize these patterns that's when i started to change it wasn't during the therapy therapy but it was Stopped helping people. But it's more cognitive behavioral therapy.

34:43Dana Carvey:I could do this or I could do this.

34:45Tony Hale:I love TBT, cognitive behavioral therapy.

34:47Dana Carvey:Well, then it's actionable. Like, okay, I'm not going to do that and I'm just going to do this. So that was helpful.

34:53Tony Hale:Because you become a little more of an observer of your feelings than a victim to your feelings. Yes. And there was, speaking of, because I'm in the codependent club myself, and somebody gave me the example the other day, because I was on a job and I was like, you know how you feel like you want to just kind of win people over? And it's like, oh, have them like you. Have them like me and all that kind of stuff. And they gave the example of a tug of war where it's just like, God, just got to get them on your side. Get them on your side. And they're like, Tony, you just got to let go of the rope.

35:24Tony Hale:Just let go of the rope. And just having that image of like, yeah, why am I just trying so hard? I'm just destroying myself to get them on my side. You know, just let go. which is very hard to do. Yeah, let go of the rope

35:35Dana Carvey:is a great figure of speech. You know, when David and I first started this podcast, I just, after about three episodes, I said, just let go of the rope. Just like, and I haven't, I was like this.

35:50Tony Hale:Outside of this podcast, have you guys ever toured together? Have we met? No.

35:54Dana Carvey:Is this the first time we meet? We've never toured, but we do dates together. Yeah. We do stand-up dates because we're buddies and we used to, And it was actually me being friends with Dana, but a fan of his. And then when he moved near me in LA, I ran into him once or twice. And I said, I would ask him to go to dinner. And then we'd BS at dinner. And he's very funny just to hang out with. He's very introspective and smart guy. And we'd always wind up talking about SNLs. Anyway, when we were trying to think of podcast stuff, And then I thought, well, or I, I mean, we just kind of gelled together, like in that way.

36:35We were already getting along at dinner. Podcasts are sort of like just talking about things with people, but we sort of jump in also. And it just turned into that. But I didn't know, I knew him a little before SNL. I didn't know if you were asking that part, but I knew him a little bit because he's a big comic that we all liked.

36:53Dana Carvey:But we met before I got SNL. Yeah, before. David was really young. yeah and that was fun to see someone you know and then or you like and then you get to meet him and he hung out with rolled around with those ruffians like kevin uh nealon and uh tough guy and a lot of tough guys from frisco you know tony i had a question for you uh and then i'll get back to dana um but when i did snl i remember oh please hollywood minute i don't remember when we Gap girls.

37:28Tony Hale:Yeah. See, that's what I would love. I don't know if you can, but like a show where you talk and have fun and stuff, but then you can also do character work and stuff like that. I know. Well, we do. Dating gets a lot of requests, but mostly we don't do that stuff because it's not that funny. But we're not that funny.

37:47Dana Carvey:We have two a week, one with a guest. Yeah. One we don't have a guest and we just fuck off. I've got like 300 cardboard puppets, little cutouts in this closet. Everybody. And he holds one up and just does it. Answers questions. By yourself? No, to David. No, to me. I'll have Pierce Morgan interview David Spade about the movie Busboys. Do you think it's funny? The man touching another man is gentleness. Do you think that's what people want to see? That's why it's funny. I'm going to ask you, because your voice is like Dr. Psycho and stuff. You really are a voice artist as well. I mean, you kind of do everything.

38:29Dana Carvey:I hope you know that, right?

38:30Tony Hale:It comes from so much pain. Good job.

38:34Dana Carvey:Were you, as a little kid, were you in your room jumping them down and pretending to be other people?

38:39Tony Hale:Let me think. I don't remember. I mean, I was definitely, I was a theater kid. And I moved to Tallahassee, Florida in the seventh grade because my dad retired. from the army where we were moving around a lot and i wasn't into sports and in the south if you're not into sports there's not much of a place for you and so thankfully they found this theater called you hey and i just i just was like that kid i just loved like being on stage and getting

39:08Dana Carvey:as much attention as possible here a lot we get you know we get child at or just in theater at a

39:14Tony Hale:very young age a lot of our guests and it was fun just that kind of got that bug of like making people laugh and all that kind of stuff and it's funny when you get that laugh thing it's because everyone my theory is everyone loves comedy as a kid people like i used to love tv shows but mine was i guess sort of an escape of craziness of like i just sit and watch happy days or i'd watch whatever comics were on you know johnny carson yeah never really thought i could do it i just thought that was so fun yeah and then getting into work in that world was was a miracle it becomes a safe space like yeah i guess that's what it is that kind of safe space where you feel seen and just laughing and i couldn't and it's happy and it's happy and you get an audience and all that kind of stuff but i wanted to tell you guys i don't know if you know this my wife was a makeup artist on snl oh oh what years she was there i know that's a big transition 1860 no i i saw it on your bio we were there yeah she was there um okay well she came in with you there might have been some crossover but she came in with the molly and and on a gas star and and uh okay so 95 ish 95 to like 2003 or something like that but you know what probably started we hosted yeah yeah yeah yeah and she but like loved it and she and i i kind of got like a little i would be able to come to rehearsals.

40:39Tony Hale:Oh, for sure. Gawk at all of you guys and stuff. And it was really.

40:43Dana Carvey:Was she doing prosthetics and stuff? Yeah, she did.

40:46Tony Hale:Anna Gasteyer was her girl. And so, because I mean, you all have teams.

40:51Dana Carvey:Yeah, they're sort of assigned in a way. Yeah.

40:53Tony Hale:And so she was there with like, you know, Anna's doing Martha Stewart's character. Yeah, yeah. Bob Marty, all that stuff and kind of helping create that. And she just had a blast. Did you ever have to sign?

41:07Dana Carvey:did you have designs to be a cast member at a given point because you seem to have the skill

41:12Tony Hale:you'd be perfect as a cast member oh um i i never auditioned i never auditioned but i i i again youtube spiral i've like done i've seen all these audition videos of like each person's audition video on snl and it just sounds oof that anxiety by the way it's crickets in there the ones i see are dead man so what was your guys i'm sure you guys have talked about this but was it the same Same as what they went through, what they go through now. Dana's was. Kind of.

41:42Dana Carvey:I think it was simpler then. Like when I came in, we just still had a really small cast. Yeah. But I was, I'd audition for SNL in cattle calls. And just interesting. One of them, you know, I was just a young standup, scared, no real confidence, you know. And I was at the comedy store and they had like 20 comics going on in the original room, doing five minutes each with no MC. Just said, now, welcome. And so I followed Sam Kennison at about 1130. Wow. And SNL people were there, not Lorne, but I played to dead silence. I really was bummed. I was really depressed. You didn't get it that time. Did not get it this time.

42:25Dana Carvey:It comes around again, and I go, Lorne Michaels people had seen me at a real comedy club, the Comedy Magic Club, said you should see him. and my manager at the time. So I went to a little club. We had a change of heart. I went to a club called Igby's. Rosie O'Donnell was headlining and I just met her. She seemed very mature and confident. I go, I could get Lorne Michaels in here. You don't mind if I can do some time. So I was about to go on and Lorne Michaels walked in and then the head of the network walked in and then Cher walked in. Are you serious? Yeah, Cher. would you like a chair but i had 40 minutes will you share a chair with me and maybe some sherry the thing about share is is she's like really generous it's ironic that that's her name but it's not meant to be taken she's a half breed did she tell you um tony hale would have been a good cast member it was the timing was off you know he's like we already had one we had we had phil so i got the show that way and it was kind of a fluke and it was terrifying and then i auditioned a couple other times at a studio just by myself with lauren and six people and jim carrey was auditioning i'm like oh wow i can't get this he put his foot behind his head singing like what the fuck who is this guy he did fine but um so as far as your trajectory when did did you ever do you when did you feel when i i guess this is my job like this is what i'm doing for the rest of my was it really young like because brian cranson like there's no going back he decided he decided he'm just going to do this he had no real work no real he goes i'm just going to do this no matter what when did that when did that become a reality for you um i would

44:23Tony Hale:It's, well, in 95, I moved to New York to try it. I didn't know a soul. And do you remember Backstage Magazine? Half Fuck Yes. Yeah. And so I would get... Did you say Half Fuck Yes? No, I started to, and then I go... I was just like, it's auditions, right? What is it, R-rated magazine? I'm going to give a Half Fuck to that. You know what? Half Fuck Yeah. um i i and i would get the magazine i would circle all the auditions and then i would obviously do every job under the sun like cater waitering and all this stuff yeah and then cater waiter i never even heard that oh yeah later which i which which actually i liked better than waiting tables because it was all the same food you didn't have to really deal with the people they gave you like a set hour well they hit you with a catering job i have those are great i heard about yeah yeah and then i so i started i did that and then i started to get into commercials and i was my my type they gave me a type was not all there weirdo not all not all there is that like a weirdo i pretty much okay and then i was told once it was like yeah he's kind of like david schwimmer but not as good looking and I was like okay Heather got an oh I'm trying to

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50:04Tony Hale:But then I would say probably the more commercials I got, the less I had to do odd jobs. I guess when I started to get more commercials, I was like, well, maybe this is a career. Because in the back of your head, you're always like, I don't know if I can do this. You don't have to say it, but is there a dollar amount? because you don't have to say a dollar amount, but is there a certain point where you go, I think I can do this full time? Or was it just more you could tell there was some momentum? Like I'm doing enough. I always looked at it when people go, should I quit? I said, well, if you come out, forget giving yourself a year.

50:36I said, if you come out and if everything's just going up, like even 1%, I had two meetings with agents this year. And then the next year you go, I got an agent. I had one callback. Well, it's going this way. You're starting something. But if it stays the same or keeps going down, maybe it's not for you. But there's some little wins. Like people go, overnight succession. No, each one of those is as big as anything until you get the next thing bigger.

51:07Tony Hale:If you got an agent, it's like, yeah. It took me like six or seven years to get an agent to send me out for TV and film. It's hard. Yeah, yeah. Because they really separated. they saw me as like a commercial actor and not a human TV actor. But I look, you're absolutely right. Cause it was like, I think it was like every maybe 30, 20, 30 auditions, you get a booking and there's obviously so much rejection, but man, the thing that saved my ass was I just had a great group of friends. And it was like, because there's so much just beaten down that if you don't have those people around you, that's like, Hey man, keep going.

51:40Tony Hale:We'd go to see each other's shows we'd hang out we'd laugh that was the like lifeline for it you know yeah talk about living in the present it's so hard when all you're doing is trying to think what if i got this what if i got that and you look back and you go the more fun was hanging with everybody absolutely and then you don't see anybody scatter when you're successful yeah yeah in stand-up you have a lot of

52:03Dana Carvey:peers and friends you know there'll be three comics on the bill and stuff like that and i for For me, it was when I could kind of started to make$500 to$600 a month. I stopped waiting tables because I could rent a place for like$215 and stuff. Yeah. So it depends. Were you in New York and you were making enough to live there? Yeah.

52:27Tony Hale:I remember one statement had me making$9 ,000 a year or something like that. Because I was sleeping on so many friends' couches. Yeah. And like the first, I think it was like the first six months I would just kind of go from couch to couch. And then, and I guess, cause I came to New York not knowing many people, but I guess I made friends pretty quick. Cause I was like all of a sudden sleeping on their couch. You just fall asleep during conversations. Pretty much. Don't wait. But then, but then you're right. I think it was kind of like when I could, I didn't, I didn't need all those odd jobs, the same, just to kind of keep the rent afloat.

53:04Tony Hale:Then I was like, well, I guess this is my career now. But also, I don't know if you guys relate to this. There was a lot of, to say I'm an actor, to say I'm an artist felt very like, ugh. Because when I grew up, no one said that as a profession. You know, it was like, no, you're an engineer. You're a lawyer. Like no one says that. So there was a real kind of, I don't know, I couldn't own it yet, you know?

53:28Dana Carvey:It just makes me anxious when I hear it. I'd go, I'm trying to act. Just someone with a dream. I'm an actor. up yeah instead of i am this you're like no i'm working at it i'm seeing what i yeah because you never feel like yeah you always feel like even if it's going okay they can pull the rug out and just you're back to zero so yeah still and did you have what was your first you got a was it arrested development was there kind of then a period where things weren't coming in and then you got veep did you have them you know because it is also topsy-turvy yeah well it was actually this casting

54:01Tony Hale:director who direct who cast me in commercials marcia debonis and she saw this description of buster who was not all there and uh was like i'm gonna bring a tony in and she brought me in for it and obviously and i remember they sent me out to la for the callback and i was like what this is because back then you know you sent tapes they would do it on the hs and then they'd send the tape and i would you know i flew out and i was just the whole time like now this isn't gonna happen this is flew out for like a callback or a final callback kind of thing it was a callback and then they ended up shooting the pilot while i was out there and i have a distinct i remember running out of clothes and specifically underwear and i had to go to old navy to get underwear because i didn't act right how did you you went to an old navy friend five times how did you manage

54:49Dana Carvey:the nerves i mean that's your very first break and you're on the set and jason bateman's there

54:54Tony Hale:and well i will say this like thankfully i'm playing i was playing a very nervous panic stricken character your favorite thing so like i i think if i was auditioning for job who is will arnett's character who's like super arrogant and confident i couldn't have done it i was just so overwhelmed and buster was like so overwhelmed so i just i don't know i just used that i guess i was gonna ask you guys that though like how you as stand-ups or just how you navigate nerves because everybody has different ways of doing it and they catch up to you sometimes. Yeah, for sure.

55:32Dana Carvey:Well, the more you do it, the less nervous you are. And I go through phases where I don't do it very much and then it's very nerve-wracking. You're in your notes and you're in your hotel room repeating your bits. Yeah. Because more prep helps. Yeah, I mean, Dana and I both, the more I'm scared about doing a set, I'm like, Okay, what is wrong? I haven't done it in a while. Now I got to visualize what kind of group is this. And then what will I start with? If things go wrong, what do I go into? Because all that stuff, then my nerves get less. They're not gone. But if I have a handle on it, it's like an audition or the next day of shooting.

56:11You're like, fuck, I have seven pages tomorrow. I think, well, my only chance is to keep going over it. And the more I know it, the nerves start to go down because now I'm getting there. But I keep talking about it. I'm going to stay scared. I gotta bite the bullet

56:25Dana Carvey:and it's fake confidence going out on Letterman I try to tell myself this doesn't matter at all this can be completely forgotten and I would try to say to myself I'm gonna be not cocky but I'm going to now be the most confident guest in the history of talk shows I try to go the opposite as opposed to me funny I don't know you just play all these mind games basically you do and it's the the challenge is for me is to not

56:58Tony Hale:kind of live in the wreckage of the future where i kind of find myself right you know going to i can easily go into catastrophic thinking like what if this happens what if this happens and it's like nope i just gotta like you said do the work and just keep walking and stay present you know it's

57:12Dana Carvey:sort of a given point when they say just have fun people love you now i mean you have this resume and they're like, you know, at airports or places. Oh man, you're fucking great, you know? And so you are getting that feedback. How do you process that? Do you own it or you're like, I could get better. Thanks very much.

57:31Tony Hale:I've gotten better about receiving it. And also I actually enjoy it if they want to talk about the show because I don't remember the show. So it's like when they say, oh, Buster, you did this or Gary, I'm like, oh, okay, can you repeat that? Because I don't remember that joke, you know? So it's fun.

57:49Dana Carvey:you know it's very common they're new yeah we interviewed Ringo name drop sure and I was talking about these this different weird song you know um she's so heavy on on the uh and Abbey Road and he goes you know the Beatles better than I do piece of love you know he can't remember everything what

58:10Tony Hale:What did he say about fame? Just because that level of fame looks terrifying. There's something kind of seemingly terrifying. Did he talk about that at all?

58:23Dana Carvey:I've heard him talk about that. I mean, and Paul McCartney, I think there's some other level that they're at that's at a level that they just give into it.

58:33Tony Hale:But how do you stay? My thing is how you stay present in that kind of school. you know you know it's funny that paul said i heard him i heard howard stern this is when and you know 10 15 years ago howard stern was obviously hugest dj and huge star and he said he was going to one of these private shows that paul was going to be at and he was backstage and he goes i was nervous but paul was standing next to me so i said can i get you to sign he goes i've heard paul does new autographs but i was backstage so i said hey paul can you sign my ticket he goes no I don't do that and it's like even to a huge star you go nah shake and you I think the balls Paul is so famous for so long he has no qualms and been like here's my here's my rules you seem like a great guy he had

59:21Dana Carvey:said that as a kid in his liver puddling neighborhood there was a monkey grinder with a chimp you know and people line up for the monkey and have the picture taken so I don't really like getting my picture taken i feel like a bit of a monkey but yeah i my theory about them is this is that these are working class the stones were more middle not wealthy but the beatles were thrown in vans and did 20 hours a day they were rough and tumble liverpool people and i don't think they've ever lost touch of it i mean obviously they're in this surreal kind of fame but paul you know we would lads you know he sat for a plonk you know all that stuff i mean yeah but but there's never been people like them i mean maybe muhammad ali or i don't know who's the who's i'd say taylor swift seems to be up there yeah yeah and she's new to it it's like yeah will she like for yourself i i would seem talking to you that you have you're very much in touch with the pre-show business you

1:00:26Tony Hale:like utterly right yeah but but what you said about i think having it sounds like he has really healthy boundaries you know because like if you struggle with people pleasing you're screwed

1:00:37Dana Carvey:you know because you just can't yeah they always get mad at some point if you're not signing stuff yeah well there's a book out i can't remember the name of the woman let them and that's a little bit about that let them be angry at you let them shit on you her name starts with an m m and she's a big huge podcaster yes um but that little phrase is kind of now you know mel robbins yeah mel robbins

1:01:03Tony Hale:yeah yeah thank you she listens a lot jealous photographic memory don't be jealous last thing i'll ask do you have a photographic memory david uh i who has a photographic memory no i was

1:01:19Dana Carvey:teasing that maybe David's very next level as far as calling up things. I do have somewhat of a photographic memory. Really? A little bit, yeah.

1:01:30Tony Hale:So you can look at a script and it just kind of absorb it pretty easily? You'd think. That's where it sort of falls apart. Yeah, he's not good at that part of photographic memory.

1:01:39Dana Carvey:More about, didn't you, referencing somebody from the 70s? I think Paris Hilton once said she had a photogenic memory. So maybe I have that. She's like, I have a real photogenic memory. So I know when I see it. And I'm like, I don't know if that's what you're looking for. I have a photo horrific memory. So I only remember terrible things that happened to me. Anything else for this lovely young man, Dana? He's been such a dream with his psychedelic ceiling.

1:02:09Tony Hale:You guys are so sweet to have me.

1:02:10Dana Carvey:No, you're... I love... Okay, these just, which I just love, and I found out that you made a kid's animation show. Oh, yeah. Archibald's next thing is here. Like, just making a kid's animation show while you do everything else.

1:02:22Tony Hale:That's where that came from, that arrested experience, because it came from a book I did where there's a little chicken that gets a card in the mail that says, your big thing is here. And he's like, where? And he goes, on all these adventures, but every time he's on an adventure, he's like, I got to get to my next big thing. And then the bee comes along, and it's like, you got to just be, man. You got to just be here. Yeah. And then he realizes the card is right, that your big thing is here. So then the show. Oh, the big thing's here right now. Yeah, Archibald's the most present chicken there was.

1:02:51Tony Hale:So he's a very present chicken.

1:02:52Dana Carvey:That's a very great lesson for little kids too. Be here now, by the way, when I was coming through in the hippie 70s was the big phrase. Oh, really? Be here now. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Be here now, man. I think that's really cool. And I guess, I don't know if this is public knowledge, but maybe you moved to Alabama recently. Oh, yeah, I did. Why?

1:03:15Tony Hale:I like Alabama. I moved here a year and a half ago. We were in LA for like 21 years and we needed to be closer to our parents and families and stuff like that. So we made the move. And we can work. We can travel and stuff like that.

1:03:29Dana Carvey:No one knows where anyone is. You can do all this. The heartland. Yeah, you don't have to be in LA. Not everyone's hanging out at Sardi's having a cocktail.

1:03:38Tony Hale:Yes.

1:03:38Dana Carvey:What I was curious was, as far as the house... in LA, the cost, and then a house in Alabama, is it lower down there?

1:03:50Tony Hale:I would assume. You would not, in Birmingham, because I live in Birmingham, which is a really fantastic city. And I think during COVID, like Nashville, Birmingham, Austin, these cities. Oh, they blew up.

1:04:01Dana Carvey:They blew up, yeah.

1:04:02Tony Hale:Yeah. But we love it. I mean, it's just nice, honestly, to be able to find a parking space when you want a parking space. Yeah. Stuff like that just reduces the anxiety.

1:04:11Dana Carvey:okay the reason you're here we don't for the publicist who's listening maybe the wrong girls an r-rated romp and you're in it it's out august 14th and who are the two co-stars uh kristin

1:04:24Tony Hale:stewart and alias shotcott who play who i was on arrested development with me so they do some kind

1:04:29Dana Carvey:of some some some concussion and then they can see the future or something and it's just very

1:04:35Tony Hale:yeah what is your part in this i play a real uh douchebag real estate guy and uh it's really you know fun to play a douchebag yeah is it an attitude do you do do you do kind of like a character you talk like you're like do i do a character he's just uh he's got a fake tan and

1:04:53Dana Carvey:it's just obnoxious just obnoxious cocky yeah says things i would never say and that's what's

1:04:59Tony Hale:fun to be able to do it you know my fair you know one of my favorite things about listening to your podcast is the noises that come out so when when one of you is talking the other one's going oh

1:05:14whenever we talk about al frank and someone's going and it is so entertaining and it is so good and it's just it's just a way you guys communicate and respond to each other

1:05:31Tony Hale:through noises it's just so that's like no one's listening and then either they are aren't but but we get to those things of cracking up like it's good to have you on because we can just go off on some stupid tangent and just start laughing that's more i love it as far you guys are the best the best thanks for uh doing it and it's been really fun tony i

1:05:51Dana Carvey:so glad to meet you and uh i think you're just uh so talented you just keep going and i i think back to, I loved all that. Just be here now and try just as much as possible. Don't quit your trip. Sure.

1:06:04Tony Hale:And I say it so much because it's something I'm not good at. You know, it's, Oh yeah. Everything that's in your head, you have to kind of practice.

1:06:10Dana Carvey:Yeah. Remind yourself. Cause you slip right back.

1:06:13Tony Hale:Always. Always.

1:06:14Dana Carvey:Yeah. So anyway, pleasure, Tony.

1:06:16Tony Hale:So nice meeting you.

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