SUPERFLY #60 - TIGER KING calls from Prison

0:00All right, let's start it day and day. It's Superfly, as we all know. Everyone's excited about it. Riveted, setting their clocks. It's a unique, it's unique. It's a unique superfly. I'm just going to say that up front. It's not a tease. We're going to do something a little different. David? Yes. Oh, David. Well, we, you know, back during the pandemic, we were all glued to the Tiger King. I was also. and Joe Exotic, who had a lot of funny catchphrases and funny things going on, a very interesting situation down there. Zoo is a loose word. I guess it was a zoo. I don't know. I don't know if it was a zoo, yeah.

0:46And all his cast of characters, it was like a movie, and they were always saying you should do a movie about that, And it's almost so exaggerated, it's hard to make a movie, right? But who was floated? Who was floated that we know to play Joe Exotic in the Tiger King movie? Oh, that's right. Spadely, yeah. And that's not a – I mean, I don't know what it was. Well, maybe it's because of Joe Dirt. Maybe because of Joe Dirt. I kind of look like this guy. But he was very funny, very charismatic. So I go by the funny part. And we never talked about it, but I never really pursued it because it was one of those lightning in a bottle shows.

1:30And then time goes on, and by the time something would come out, it probably wouldn't have been as exciting. But now he's in prison. And for—go ahead, Dana. for apparently hiring someone to murder his nemesis, Carol Baskin, who was sort of an animal rights activist in the area and wanted to shut down Joe's zoo because she thought he was cruel to the tigers. And he thought she was cruel also and also killed her husband, he says, allegedly, right? Right. It was redneck heaven. It was in Oklahoma and everyone's got a body buried. Everyone's got a bottle of booze in their back pocket and there's wild tigers running around.

2:17It was a mesmerizing television. You don't want to look too closely at anything. Like you go in anyone's yard and you start digging, you're going to find something. So on the surface, it seemed like a fun, goofy show to talk about. And then when you dig a little deeper, it gets a little. It's a little twisted. I read that he shot five tigers, and I don't like shooting tigers. Sure. I think we can all say we're safely against that. Yeah. And so basically we've got him. He's in jail, and he's going to call in. It's like a radio show. We got a caller. We got a call. Well, we will not be able to share Joe, but we're going to hear his voice.

3:02I bet we put up a picture of him. And then imagine him talking. Hopefully we'll ask the questions you want us to ask. We probably won't, but we're going to hopefully. Yeah. I did seven seconds of research, so I'm locked and loaded. I know. We all know about him. We all know the basics. The more I read. Yeah, yeah. But we're sort of playing for the big strokes of what people know. And speaking of big strokes, I had a big night last night. What do you mean? No, I'm kidding. Oh. It just sounded like a good setup. Well, if we have a few moments, it was interesting that the astronauts got rescued on SpaceX.

3:46Yeah. After Boeing Starliner had some issues and couldn't bring them back. They were going to be there for, what, eight days? and they were there for 10 months. And there are side effects. Oh, yeah. I have a question about this, Dana. I'm glad you brought it up. And I know everyone's supposed to, hey, it's Elon Musk, but he did do a good thing yesterday. Well, what's this Elon Musk stuff? I mean, come on, calm down a little bit. Compartmentalize it. If you don't like Doge, go after that. But SpaceX is, you know, an amazing achievement for a private company. I mean, they totally dominated our friend Jeff Bezos.

4:25because he really said to NASA, I'm going to give you a billion. I'll do anything you want. They looked at both spacecraft and the one that Bill Shatner went on didn't quite make the grade. What about when it lands and they have like those chopsticks, just grab it when it lands on SpaceX. It's almost impossible. Yes. He goes, I gotcha. Yes. And that to be able to reuse it instead of throwing it in the ocean brings the cost way down. So that, again, was a revolutionary feat of engineering. And I don't think people know this. I'm just going by the facts. I don't want to get any letters. Mark Andreessen is a big Silicon Valley investor in tech for decades.

5:05I know him casually. He explained that Elon is first and foremost an engineer. So if there's a problem with SpaceX or Tesla or whatever, he goes and sits in a room with the engineers for 12 hours. I like that. And that's why he can attract such great other engineers because he speaks their language. There's no barrier. A CEO, I'm going to go golf and make a spaceship. He's actually in there. So I think if anyone is kind of considered a genius, he has to be. You can hate a genius, but at least acknowledge that SpaceX is a revolution. And Starlink, why I'm talking to you right now. Yeah. Also, here's one part about the landing that I read about today that was interesting is that a former astronaut said that they don't make money while they're up there, even though it's supposed to be for nine days.

5:55So they probably made an extra$1 ,200 or something. For 10 months. Yeah, because they get paid a travel allowance on those days. So this sounds like a joke because it sounds funny, but I want to get to the bottom of what they got paid because that wasn't part of the plan. So this astronaut said that happened to them and they got$4 a day. They usually get about$4 a day as an astronaut. That's just bad management. If you sign a contract, you should have a stranded. A stranded. Say again? What's this call? Press 5. Uh-oh.

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7:48Joe, are you on the space station? I know it sounds like he's on SpaceX. uh joe uh what's today like what did you have for breakfast let's just start how are you feeling i've never been in prison and i've never been in prison for i guess seven years and i know you want to get out but what what how how have you changed just being in prison all these years what's it like you know what i wouldn't believe it if i wouldn't have had I really wouldn't. It's crazy. If the general taxpayer knew what was going on in here, they would either close it all down or cut something. They'd have to cut something.

8:32This is really – there's no fiction. I mean, if I had done something wrong, there's no fiction what I'd done wrong because this is all about drugs and alcohol and bullshit in here. I In prison it is Is that what you're saying Pardon Yeah It's crazy If they think They're gonna win The war on drugs Out there They need to start By trying to win The war on drugs In here Are drugs run On the outside From the inside Yes Ooh Okay And what are the names And addresses Of the guards Who let the drugs Come in No The names Of the bad guys too There are people Who just wanna stay In prison right because they get drugs, three meals, and then they get to go run around and lift weights?

9:19Is that some people kind of like prison because of this? A lot of them are, what do you call it? Lifers. Conformed to this lifestyle, yeah. Sure, yeah. Yeah, because it's sort of a structured life that is, you know, when you get on the outside, that's why there's a lot of mental instability out in the real world more and more every day because it's just so hard to function in a regular society. But there you got walls, you got meals, you got rules, and I guess you got drugs. And Mike Tyson said he had a blast in prison. It's a little different than what you would picture, at least the prison that I'm in, because the prison that I'm in, there's no doors, there's no bars.

10:12It's open dorm. college you know I like that floor plan you have movement every hour you know for 10 minutes you can go from place to place whether it's library or rec or chow or whatever but it's pretty insane the amount of drugs I made it 55 years without seeing heroin K2 fentanyl or seboscin until i came to federal prison were you tempted to get back on or were you ever on drugs and got off i don't remember you know that's the thing that i that i i saw finally saw tiger king for the first time about four months ago oh really oh it was a great show i mean it was riveting right i was i was pretty disgusted with it to start with because i was Like, they made me out to be this big meth head, and I'm the only one on the show with teeth wearing clothes, you know?

11:15That's a good point. That's kind of like the show that Kate McKinnon made that was Joe vs. Carol. Did you watch that? Yeah, I was aware of it. I didn't watch it. Was it more accurate or what, from your point of view? I mean, they made me out to be a whole lot more gayer than I am. you know? So you're a dirty, but they made you super gay. Yeah. If they wanted to make money, they would have cast David to play me because that guy that played me went way over the top, Matt. Listen, I can do super gay. Just give me some notes. It was, you know, before they actually came out with that, they were going to cast Nicolas Cage.

12:03And I was like, no, no, Nicolas Cage is too dry. I said, come on. I said, you want to have a real show? You got to cast David Spade to play Joe Durk. You know what I mean? Yeah. How about this? Here's my audition. Fuck you, Carol Baskin, you bitch. I say you got it. I say we got Joe Exotic. We have to make a third movie. We'll at least a callback. We literally have that down. So, you know, I have three movie offers right now. and uh you know i'm pretty sure that i'm gonna make it out of here either with a pardon or on appeal this year one or the other uh so yeah when when we do this new show we have got to team up classic ah shit yeah i like you have more movies than me and dana do and you're in jail you've got three going there you go yeah what an agent who's your agent uh what about uh you didn't you did You can't ask Trump, but did some of your team, or was that someone else not involved with you asking for a pardon?

13:09It's a federal prison. I can't ask Trump what? Oh, for a pardon? Or did some other people try to sort of help with that? Well, you know, my people are allowed to record phone calls, so I've made some pleas myself. You know, and then Jerry Jones' lawyer, the owner of the Cowboys, has done a press conference and made a plea to him. I've got an active primacy application in the White House now. And then the good thing is Enrique, I'm not sure if I'm saying his name right, but he's pretty cool. He's the leader of the Proud Boys. He's going to be in Mar-a-Lago Saturday and he's going to talk to him about a pardon.

14:03okay that's uh sounds like a live sketch about Trump why did you uh um by the way who was the last person we talked to some people with Tiger King I did before I couldn't get to you but when I was on my old show lights out and uh when was the last person to see you did anyone come in to visit you or is it or do you still stay in touch you know you know what's crazy is uh the only person that has even checked on me was John Reinke, the guy with no legs, the old manager. He checks on me pretty regularly, but other than that, nobody has even concerned themselves whether I'm dead or alive. If Carol Baskin came to visit you and you were across the glass, what do you think that conversation would go like?

14:54If Carol had a conversation? Yeah, she came to visit you in prison And you two were talking What would it be like? You know the crazy part is Me and Carol Really didn't have that bad of a war going on It was just She made money convincing people That I was an abuser Because I abused baby tigers Because I took them away from their mom And I made money on my podcast I guess you'd call it It was actually just an online television show back then on joeyzotictv.com. I made people, I made money because it was easy to make fun of her because she was just batshit crazy. And I know she killed her husband, you know, but that's where our war started was when I started investigating Don Lewis's disappearance.

15:45And I kind of went to shit from there. But, you know, I could actually look Carol in the face, you know, right to this day. and the conversation would have to be like, you know, you might have put me in prison, but you didn't put me in a cage because I've never been in an actual jail cell. But, you know, she threw me in prison. I did this 1 ,450 in here. It's not that bad. Well, if I go to prison, I'm going to find out how to do that. If you could go back like seven or eight, nine years, what would you have done different? Do you have any regrets of thinking of how you would have handled the whole situation?

16:25I'd have never have let Jeff Lowe in my life. Okay. He was toxic to you or what was the problem? Well, Jeff Lowe was the scammer. You know, he conned his way into my zoo claiming that he was this millionaire and had all this money. Come to find out after he got his name on half the property he was supposed to invest$300 ,000. Kelly was behind on his car payments. since he didn't have anywhere to live. You know, and then what has he got? He's pretty much selling his wife on OnlyFans to make a living now. It's like a bad episode of Magnum P.I. Yeah, it's crazy. Magnum P.I. So you and Carol were sort of more like wrestling at the beginning.

17:15Like, you know, it was sort of an exaggerated version, like Enemies, but you're just hyping it up for the show. and then it took a turn when, it always takes a turn for the worse if somebody gets killed. And then you mentioned that and then it ups the stakes and now it's, now she's really out for revenge. That's kind of it? Yeah, you know, since the show came out, since I've been arrested, you know she's gotten on, on TMZ. This call is from a federal prison. Oh shit. I think I saw on Kelly Clarkson. yeah she gets out there you're right you know she got out there and she actually rooted for a pardon for me a couple years ago and you know and then about five months ago she put on her YouTube channel two videos of her right hand girl and Alan Glover the hit man talking on a telephone and where Alan admitted that he lied about it all so she's actually put evidence out there that's on my appeal right now that everything will prove I'm innocent.

18:21Why did the hit man lie? Well, you know, he worked for Jeff for so many years, and I think Jeff has some pretty good dirt on him because he'd done all of Jeff's dirty work. And Jeff wanted my zoo so bad that I think he blackmailed Alan. You know, according to the affidavits and the video deposition we have of Alan now, Jeff pretty much blackmailed him into doing this so Jeff could get the zoo.

18:54So what do you... Tangled web. Now, it said that you... Did you euthanize, I guess it would be a kinder word, five tigers, but it was considered made Carol really mad? Or what was that situation? Okay, I euthanized five tigers, okay? And where the jury didn't ever get a hear and explain anything was, okay, I was licensed by the United States Department of Agriculture, okay? And that's who allows you to have a zoo. And they're the ones who help you write your protocols. They're the ones who approve your protocols. They're the ones who approve everything you do. And my USDA inspector kept saying, Joe, you have 260 tigers.

19:37Why are you keeping these five alive? because they're so old and they're crippled and they're in pain. So we came to the conclusion that we needed to go ahead and put them to sleep. There was two ways in the protocol to put them to sleep, by gunshot or as long as it was done instantaneously, okay, or by injection of a vet, euthanize them by injection. In order to have the vet euthanize them by injection, you have to tranquilize them first so she can walk in a cage without getting killed. All right? So that takes about 45 minutes, and you have to keep tranquilizing them over and over and over. And they have seizures, and they have all kinds of throwing up and everything else.

20:22So the vet just figured out that, you know what? Let's just put them down with the gunshot and have it done in a half a second. So that's what we did. And we buried them. Okay, well, the inspector that told us to do that couldn't be found to subpoena her for my trial. So the jury never got to hear her, okay? Ah, I see. Yeah. So they didn't charge me with animal abuse or cruelty to animals or anything else. They charged me with taking five endangered species without a permit because it wasn't the USDA who prosecuted me. it was a federal game warden that was working for Carol that arrested me. So it was like, they charged me with going hunting without a permit, basically.

21:11Damn. Was there a plea deal at any point for less time and so forth and so on? Never. Never a plea deal. So it was either straight guilt or innocence. And then they sentenced you to 21 years. Oof. Yeah. Now, with good behavior, I've already done seven. Would you reasonably be out anyway in a couple of years? If I have to do all of this, I'll be out September of 2030. I see. With gay behavior. Four plus years or five years? Yeah. I see. Okay. This phone beeped and it's going to hang up any second. Okay. I've wanted for years to be able to talk to you, David. it's just you're that big of an inspiration from your movie you made and this made my whole right in the middle of his oscar speech god damn it well it's it's it's obviously uh you sound just like him so he was enamored with you to play him in the movie so it's it's very interesting and he just really wanted to meet you i think you're his favorite comedian well i heard a lot back then about him and uh you know when it was going on but there was nothing anyone could do about it but i do think his story is very interesting the more we hear about it because it does sound like he was hyping it up a little bit before and then it got very dark very fast and uh i don't know what to make of it he just see you know on the surface he seems like a cool dude to like well it's supposed to be innocent till proven guilty so the idea was They had to prove that he hired the hitman.

22:57I'd have to really look at the proof of that, because that was the linchpin, I think, for that. The euthanizing the Tigers wouldn't have been seven years, but a hire for murder of Carol Baskin because he believes she murdered her husband. So he was a vigilante at that point, kind of, or was he doing it? I mean, so in other words, that's the linchpin of the case. I'd have to look into it. I'm not an attorney, but. No, but can you rep him? Well, I wanted to announce it today that Joe Exotic has hired me to represent him in a court of law. And we'll be doing. I didn't get to ask him, did he gain weight?

23:41Did he lose weight? You know, some people go to prison. Most people get very skinny. He was very skinny anyway. Some people shockingly gain weight. And then you think, well, that might make sense because the food's so horrible. It sounds like he says it's like a college dorm and you walk around a lot. They probably are fed well. I think it's your own choice. But I have heard that, yeah, drugs are rampant in prison and a lot of people want to stay in there. Anyway, I don't know enough about the case, but he got convicted in a court of law. Now he's in prison. But we'll see. Yeah, it's very interesting.

24:13We'll see in the YouTube comments. We'll talk more about it next week because we'll hear their questions and see. We can make from it what you can make from it. We ask some good questions. Yeah, I talked about the killing of the Tigers.

24:32Carol Baskin, I thought him and Carol, it sounded like an awkward Tinder date at the beginning. You're like, what if you guys got to sit across from each other? Yeah, what would you say? that's a good one and also he actually was friendlier about her than I would think because after all this whatever happened he wasn't doing you do the impression with a B word Dana Carvey you bitch Carol Masson that's all I can do

25:08if he comes out and does a dating show or he and carol bask and live together like you know well i was gonna pitch him joe exotic naked and afraid he's in this enclosure it's like three miles across like you know um some kind of there's tigers in there and can he survive with no weapons or anything just with his intellect can he can he become the tiger king and he gets killed it's what it's just a we Shoot a pilot in the prison. Okay, we'll do a sizzle. What about? I do like all the pitches, though. I just want to talk like that. You a bitch. Cheryl Baskin, she came in here. I can't remember the funniness of the show, but I remember everyone was into it.

25:56The whole goddamn country was into it. And it's good for follow-up. Redneck heaven. Yeah, we just wanted to follow it up. We didn't want to take sides in any way. I was just curious. You know, so we let our viewers decide. Yeah, we let YouTube comments decide. But he didn't really sound like it was the most horrible place in the world. You know, I kind of, he had a good attitude about that. You can walk every hour. I guess there's probably lift weights in the yard. I just know from the movies and stuff like that. But it sounds like a low security or a minimum security prison. It's not like Rikers Island.

26:33I wonder if there was any other famous people in there, you know, that do like these mid-level crimes where they don't really go to the hard prisons and they get sort of scammed around. I think P. Diddy and Harvey Weinstein and others are kind of together. Rikers, Sam Bankman, that clown. Yeah, they're all in Rikers Island having lunch together. How you doing, Sam? What's up, P? It's always like, there's some pretty cool people in here. And then you're like, well, those guys aren't cool. Yeah. Oh my God. It's so early, Dana. I know. You saw our producer's question. Like a pound puppy. All right, what else can we talk about, Dana?

27:09We got a lot to cover. We could talk. We're going to switch gears here. We were, I was just about to say, going to say something about the astronauts until we are interrupted by. I was saying they get, they don't make that much up there, but we're going to find out about that. Well, I say they should have a stranded addendum to their contract. Stranded. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we'll get it now. They'll get a quarter million a month each for every month because what happens is without zero gravity that long, I'm not saying specifically their case, and I hope they end up fantastic. You get baby feet because there's no push off with gravity.

27:44So your feet turn into little rolled up soft baby feet. Your heart gets smaller, and I'm hoping that they can build that back up. The Grinch. You grow two to three inches taller. That much? Yeah, that long in space because your spine is never. Sign me up. Compressed. You'd come out 6 '2". Let's go. 6 '2", smiling. I'll cancel my trip to Turkey where I saw my legs off and I had 4 '2". Oh, all those, that whole thing. You know what? I say a good pair of boots and confidence is all anybody needs. No way. Good pair. It's not doing enough. Good pair of boots. No, I don't even wear boots. That's what I should do.

28:23We'll talk. Sitting like this. We'll talk later. But those astronauts, yeah, I heard you get taller, but these are other things I didn't know. I didn't know about the baby feet, baby feet. Heart gets a little smaller, but they, you know, another six months. I mean, it is good that Elon got up there. Now, here's again, you guys can put your comments in. So Elon Musk says that he was ready to rescue them earlier, but it was completely the Biden administration that sort of stopped that from happening. I don't know if that's true. That's what I heard. So that's kind of. Oh, really? let's yeah cut to the comments give us comment read some next week we don't read enough on the air we'll read some i read them and they're usually pretty nice i said they're usually pretty good and then there's a couple get in there a couple get in there sometimes they're just attention seekers well it's you're gonna get i don't think anyone has ever gotten a five star consistently no on on a podcast because there's gonna be some zeros in there you know what fuck these guys man you know i mean yeah it's just human nature if it's 5.0 it's fake just go against the grain uh but i have a question about podcasts that uh before we start into other stuff and i also bought a truck over the break god you can't was there good for you i cannot stop can't i want i actually kind of want to buy a truck because i sort of live on a farm but we'll get to that in a sec i know my buddy goes what are you hauling like mostly hats and coats well it's just look they did a thing and this is not a thing i'm making up they put a man standing next to just a regular sedan they put the same man standing next to a pickup truck and then they did a poll with women and they're like 87 percent more attracted to the guy standing next to the pickup truck do the math yeah that's what i'm going for yeah uh i but i go and bring it bring a trailer sometimes to get trucks i go all over i go on instagram i dm these people these sites Once you get on, I'm into cars, so I get it like old.

30:26It's always old. Well, what was it? It was trucks from the 70s, these old F250s. I had dinner with a guy last night whose favorite car is the Camino, or is it called the El Camino from the 60s? That's sort of like the first kind of a flatbed truck, but also kind of. So those are. It was a sedan truck, yeah. And he collects them. It has one 1965. Loves it. You know who drives an El Camino? Um, you'll never guess. Juan Corona.

31:00Marky in Busboys, my character. Oh, see, you knew and I knew and I didn't know that ahead of time, folks. This is not rehearsed. You didn't know that. I did not know that, but I kind of figured that you would be a Camino guy. El Camino. I think John Stamos used to have an El Camino. You should have. Is your character called Joe Derp, but you never refer to it? That would have been funny. It's funny that Joe Exotic brought up Joe Dirt, so I can see that. Busboys has some similarities that I am ready for already. It's really underdog stuff, you know what I mean? So there's themes in movies. Sam does a lot of that.