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15:29Charlie Eccleshare:he'd do it he'd do it seriously then do it humorously and then carry on with his life yeah and then that just leaves us with David Moyes at Old Trafford Nick definitely no he's too old for this nonsense and the situation wouldn't demand it then you've got Michael Carrick at Spurs but then he'd be in the wrong stadium for it so that wouldn't work at all yeah that wouldn't work what about David Moyes at Sunderland I don't know whether that was when he was at Sunderland that was so bad when he was at Sunderland he might get some kind of PTSD from going back there that would be up there with Arbeloa as the lowest key jokingly going into the wrong jersey that's what we're officially calling it as well this is great remember he was rude to that journalist that one time

16:10Nick Miller:oh yeah he could have done it at West Ham Obviously not as likely this season, but you could have done it in a kind of, in a sort of, well, you know, you had it good with me twice and you got rid of me both times. Okay, yeah, okay. Very much careful what you wish for kind of thing. Just one last thing on Iriola. I did think it was quite funny. He was saying how he was like, yeah, and you know, Bournemouth is, you know, always a hard place to go. He's kind of like, can you say that? That feels a bit immodest. Like you made it. That was because of you and how good a manager you were and how good that team was.

16:42Nick Miller:I don't know. I did pick up on that.

16:44Charlie Eccleshare:That is superb. I mean, it was a hard place to go, obviously. Yeah, exactly.

16:50Nick Miller:It used to be a hard place to go, this. Not so much anymore.

16:52Charlie Eccleshare:With the benefit of distance, it is a hard place to go. I can now say it. Yeah, fair play. Over to the city ground now, Nick. Forest 0, Coventry 1. What a Saturday night for those long-suffering Coventry fans after their 9 ,287-day wait for another Premier League win. Are you happy for everyone to be measuring it in days, given that it's such a non-continuous situation. Do you know what I mean? There's so many of those days where they couldn't have won a Premier League game. But are you all right? It's not a drought as such, is it? Obviously, usually suspicious of those kind of things. The fact that it's 25 years is kind of...

17:26Sounds better, doesn't it? The goal thing helped as well for some reason. Because that was their first goal in five games this season. That obviously sounds a bit more dramatic than just winning a game.

17:40Charlie Eccleshare:haven't scored a goal in 25 years imagine that that's true um charlie so sprawling now is the premier league weekend there are so many days on which you can you can win a premier league game it still feels though the tradition the traditionalist in me still feels like saturday night is that is the best time to be basking in the glory of a premier league win life feels good at that point if it's sunday night you've got work on the horizon if it's friday night other stuff's going to come and overshadow what you've achieved so saturday night feels the best time this coventry fan really summed up the experience he said three points two chicken kievs one bottle of wine get in that sounds amazing two kievs oh after 9 000 days finally a chicken kiev it's been a long old way hope that bottle of wine is actually 25 years old it's a real vintage kept it in the cellar for all this yeah less like the kievs aren't let's put it that way but yeah just just superbly put really really enjoyed that meanwhile john herring spotted this tweet nick from biggles wade town he said what a saturday for the de silva family rio scores a 95th minute winner to score the waders first league victory of the season former wader cole plays the full 90 as cheshunt beat lewis 3-1 jay scores the winner against nottingham forest to secure coventry's first victory season and their first top flight victory since 2001 i'm not having cole's contribution here Jay is doing a huge amount of heavy lifting In this family What are they for Don't sleep on Rio's 95th minute winner Charlie Yeah fair enough Cole's Cole was also there Not quite as impressive Maybe he's working his way back to fitness Nick and this is his first full 90 for a long time Yeah well maybe But I do need that extra context You can't just say it If he has, you know, recovering from an ACL, I need to know that.

19:33Charlie Eccleshare:Some afternoon for the three brothers, indeed. Yeah, not quite meeting the threshold. Over to the big game on Saturday, really, which was Millwall versus West Ham, much awaited. And who else but Gary Weaver on comms? And now it's in! Kayla Taylor! Hear that noise! Just hear the Lions roar! They can hear it across the Thames on West Ham United turf. Dykes with that throw. And there is the second from Camille Negley.

20:16Millwall, the originals when it comes to this eternal feud surround West Ham in South East London. A long throw has done the job again.

20:29Charlie Eccleshare:Pretty standard weaver, this Charlie, I would say. Nothing too kind of medieval. Eternal Feud was good. They've only played each other nine times in four decades, but it does stretch back a long way. So how do you feel about it being described as the Eternal Feud?

20:44Nick Miller:Yeah, four decades, maybe that's stretching it, but it is always there, isn't it? Even if they're not playing each other, it's sort of simmering away. It kind of works.

20:53Charlie Eccleshare:Good mention of West Ham turf, the idea that the sound would reach over to West Ham turf. That felt Weaver-ish enough, even if he wasn't going full castle on us. For some reason, I found South East London quite funny, because how specific an area do you need to get to? The Borough of Bermondsey. It felt like it probably did need someone scaling the fortress or something like that. But yeah, apparently Millwall doesn't count, but it made Weaver holding himself in. I'll tell you who wasn't holding himself in at the weekend. That was Jose Mourinho. Nick, we joke so often about the box-office-ness of Jose Mourinho.

21:28Charlie Eccleshare:Just how box-office was it of him to print out photos of two contentious incidents in the derby against Atletico and bring them to the press conference? I felt like it's more box-office than him just showing it on his phone or on a tablet. We did that when he was at Fenerbahce. There was an offside, so he put a laptop. This was during the game. he put a laptop with like a screenshot of the incident up against the camera uh the so so everyone would kind of know that he'd been tragically wronged but yeah the the the print out does feel a little bit kind of because i mean obviously he's not printing that out himself so so do we think he he went to a kind of a lackey to say exactly can you just print this out or i can imagine that real madrid is the kind of club where someone would like someone will have done it before him before he comes off the pitch walking down the tunnel and someone says your printout sir so i do think there's more theater involved charlie in having the you know the physical evidence rather than having it on the screen but the problem with jose marino's box office-ness is that i feel like the more he tries to be box office the more the bar has to raise for it to become box office do you think this now meets his current bar for box office-ness possibly

22:41Nick Miller:the funny thing the funny thing with jose as well is he is quite analog in these sorts of things and I remember when he was at Spurs and he gave this press conference where he was like, Paul Merson had had a pop at him and said that Harry Kane wouldn't do well under him. So as a retort, he read off some stats, but he'd misread the column. And for Drogba, rather than reading out the number of goals he scored, which he claimed Drogba had scored 186 goals for him in four seasons, which he said was an average of 46 goals per season. And I remember being in the press conference, everyone was like, really?

23:13Nick Miller:I thought Drogba didn't score that many for Jose. Anyway, it turned out he just read his appearances. He made 186 appearances and he read that as goals. It was kind of incredible. That's mortifying. And this is a sort of simple, you know how dads are the only people who really still have printers anymore? I think that is such a generational split. I don't think many of my friends have one, but everyone's parents has a printer. Of course they do. And so it's quite on brand for Jose to do that. I can't think of many other managers who would. And by that, because it's unusual, that kind of makes it a bit box office.

23:45Charlie Eccleshare:Just unfettered access to a colour printer. What a club Real Madrid are. What facilities they've got there. That's just how the elite work, I guess. Anyway, this episode of Football Clichés is brought to an association with Saley, a new eSIM service app from the creators of NordVPN. Listeners, I'll admit to a frisson of excitement when I land in a foreign country. My phone slowly finds a signal, and the unfamiliar name of the local network operator finally appears at the top of my screen. But after that excitement, usually comes fear. about the charges I'll rack up if I use my data abroad. But these days, I don't have that fear because I can download Saley.

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26:02Charlie Eccleshare:Welcome back to Football Clichés. Dreamland episode 31 is out now subscribers it's all about Soccer AM and what the late 2020s looks like for a certain format of football entertainment this was a classic Charlie really enjoyed this yeah very very nostalgic

26:18Nick Miller:I think it's in the episode Soccer AM was Sky's biggest hit in a way Sky Sports outside of live coverage like I think more so than Soccer Saturday which would be the only other real rival but it really was like it was such a huge thing for a while it was like a cultural behemoth

26:33Charlie Eccleshare:yeah a really nice thing to revisit and we were presented with the love joy tap in and we gleefully thumped it home um you can sign up for dreamland for just 5.99 a month for that you'll get ad-free listening of all of our episodes plus two episodes a month of dreamland our exclusive show and you'll get access to the premium section of our quiz page as well happy hunting grounds etc just go to dreamland.footballcliches.com this wednesday we are recording the listeners Mezzat Harland Dicks for September. Get your voice notes in. You can DM them to me or you can send them to footballcliches at gmail.com about your footballing fascinations or irritations.

27:11Charlie Eccleshare:The one thing that really floats your boat or gets your goat. It doesn't have to be weird, but they do have to nail whatever obsession it is that stimulated you for better or worse. Get your 30 second voice notes in for the listeners Mezzat Harland Dicks. we're recording this Wednesday. Now, I was watching Forrest versus Coventry at the weekend, Charlie, and at half-time, at 0-0, they speculated that Frank Lampard would be the happier of the two managers as they walked off. Connor Bennett replies to me on Twitter saying, if you were presented with a set of stats without context, do you think you'd be able to identify which manager was the happy of the two in any given game?

27:46Charlie Eccleshare:At first glance, you think, OK, maybe it's just score-dependent, but there's so many more variables here. It's not just about who's winning or even who's had the upper hand. It's about the expectations involved as well. Are there anything else that we need to factor in?

28:00Nick Miller:That's a big part of it. You could look at a stats sheet and it might be, let's say Manchester United when they were at their pomp and they might have better stats than their opponent. But yeah, 100 % because the opposition might be going in and think we're going to get absolutely hammered here. And as it is, yes, they've had the better of it, but it's still don't nail and maybe the chances actually haven't been that clear cut. So that would absolutely be the opposition managers, the happier of the two.

28:25Charlie Eccleshare:So being the happier of the two managers, Nick, is more or less tied to game plan, pre-match expectations of how the game should unfold. Can we set some obvious parameters here? You can't be the happier of the two managers if you are trailing in any form whatsoever, right? I mean, could you be 1-0 down and be the happier of the two managers? Probably not. I realise in a two-leg tie that could be the case, but in a Premier League game, surely not. no i suppose the only only circumstance in which it could be is if you were like you know if you were a league one team in the fa cup and you had a man sent off in the first half and you were only one nil down or something like that you're still not going to be the happier of the two no but but it's that's the i think that's the closest you'll get i can slightly imagine and i think it

29:09Nick Miller:is it would probably be erroneous but if there was like a performatively unhappy manager like a pep whose City team are only winning 1-0 against a team who's been hammered in all their other games and he's kind of remonstrating with his players because he's not happy. I can sort of imagine a Goodman or Hinchcliffe or someone being like, this might sound strange, but I actually think that Mandrake's might be the happier of the two. And it's like, okay, I sort of, I see where you're going with this. Like, even though it's probably not true, but...

29:37Charlie Eccleshare:I'm really glad you've challenged that boundary. It was there to be challenged and you've done it. Nick, who do you think is the most happier of the two manager in Premier League history. I think Moyes might be up there. A manager sort of famed for frustrating big six clubs in many ways. Sam Allardyce used to delight in it so much that he might qualify as well. The obvious kind of without tactics Jose thing. And giving Arsenal bloody nose all those times.

30:08Nick Miller:Gaishi, another potential in that kind of bracket.

30:11Charlie Eccleshare:The common strand here seems to be managers whose teams like to either keep it tight or upset the big boys with their physicality and their game plan. Because you can't have managers who had bursts of their teams being really good. You can't, like Fabian Herzler's Brighton. You're never going to say he's the happier of the two managers at halftime because it's almost probably quite obvious. So it needs to be something that's up for debate. So I think we're on the right lines here. And long-serving managers, they all are as well. So it would have to be one of those three. Opta, figure it out. Go and do it.

30:39Sorry, the only thing I'd say about someone like Herzler is he's quite sort of trust the process so if you are if you if they are playing well but but nil at halftime then you can see why he'd be you can say well no he'll be because he won't be happy

30:53Charlie Eccleshare:maybe not the happier of the two but okay you know i yeah i love it just being a real decision it's a real co-commentator thing to have to decide it must be in the guidebook for being a co-commentator look on the sort of you know as that whistle blows you are going to have to speculate on who the the happier of the two are and they're like oh god what if i don't know what if i don't know who's

31:13Nick Miller:the happier of the two or like the idea adam it's like a sort of picking the man of the match it's like right well i've got to come to you now who's uh who's been your happier of the two i'm gonna go for that man it's yeah it's been i think he'll be quite happy but i've got to go for that man there he'll be really happy he's just never stopped smiling all games i'm gonna go with manager x

31:32Charlie Eccleshare:i love happier of the two and i never want it to die out uh next up this came from david g it's from the league of island the home of wonder goals here's Derry City away to Waterford and it's amazing how a subtle corruption of this old commentary classic suddenly makes the goal scorer sound like he's being told off on a school trip they've got they've got the skill and they've got the the expertise now opportunity oh what a goal Adam O 'Reilly take that out of the top corner

32:09Nick Miller:right now take it out go on get it i'm not i'm not messing around get it out come on how is it

32:15Charlie Eccleshare:so fundamentally different from pick that one out charlie didn't even quite go in the top corner nick which kind of ruins it but uh a good strike nonetheless but yeah i don't know where that i don't know where that corruption came from maybe it's the irish way of doing things you know hugely enjoyable i ideally would have liked to a middle name thrown in there but that's that's expected Yeah, really ram home the telling off. Next up, I simply cannot believe there is room for this, but the news has emerged, Charlie, that Gareth Southgate's media empire, not my words, the words of the Daily Mail, is set to expand with a new podcast.

32:48Charlie Eccleshare:It's going to be hosted by Mark Chapman and feature former Everton defender Connor Cody, and they're going to be speaking to managers from across the game. It's going to be called The Dugout. How's Chappers got time for this?

33:03Nick Miller:It's interesting if you were going to do, you'd think one of the hosts would be a manager. I mean, I can see, like, obviously, Connor Cody's good and very media savvy and experience of working with managers, but that would sort of seem to be the USP if you're doing a podcast called The Dugout, that one of the hosts was a manager.

33:19Charlie Eccleshare:Nick, all I want from this podcast is for the opinions to be unfiltered. I want the record to be kept up, the 100 % record of kept up of opinions being unfiltered on podcasts. you also want well i don't know chappers could you could chappers be off the leash or something like that away from the the shackles of the bbc or sky or wherever whoever else is working for the shackles of what's the sport one he does the sports agents yeah oh yeah yeah that's the global

33:50Nick Miller:shackles have come off i mean i guess those the managers you hope are going to be unshackled aren't they like that they're sort of you know away from the hurly burly of the media glare they can sort of really get into it with untold stories from the beautiful game quite fascinating that southgate's media empire is launching these podcasts none of which he's on he's like i mean you know obviously you know liniker uh goal hanger he's the very much front facing whereas and gary neville as well whereas southgate is you know very much in the background director of football role though it took a little while didn't it i mean there were the rest of football was launched relatively late um for yeah for a few years he was um more of this sort of figure i mean yeah you that's what i mean like and with the dugout you'd think i mean there's a manager right there if they want him quite quite a hopeful guest yeah i was gonna say well that's the thing we should guess the first three guests because basically what it will come down to short is like you know who's available the problem is so daishi daishi exactly but that's the problem with all of this is it's like in football people either do nothing or everything there seems to be very little middle ground like some people are like well he's impossible to get hold of others you're like should we get him i mean he's done like you know five interviews in the last week as it is so i mean daish pulis would be tappins presumably um you want i think rob edwards definitely yes rob edwards will be about yeah and chappers will know him from match the day which he's been doing recently yeah so that there's three right there i think you want to put him a bit more of a range though would you not do you want you you can't if it's the first yeah if it's the first three you can't really have pulis and dutch or maybe no not ideally i guess it's who you could get i mean is there another yeah is there a recently could they get could they be pushing it could they get like a rooney i mean he presumably through chapman maybe yeah managed to failed and yeah exactly

35:45Charlie Eccleshare:why they failed.

35:46Nick Miller:Exactly, and he's more recent, so it's like, you know, he knows the current players better. I'm just, broadly,

35:52Charlie Eccleshare:I'm just really looking forward to finding out whether it's just harder to deal with players these days than it was in the past because they've got to be managed a little bit more carefully because young players just don't take feedback in the same way that they used to. Anyway, looking forward to hearing about that. Next, I want to revisit something from last year. Here was Lee Hendry analysing a red card in the Saudi Pro League.

36:11Nick Miller:And it's a straight red card. And I think it's been well this that one might get reviewed but that's the one where i think it's a high foot and then oops i mean yes it's gonna it's gonna be a red for that i think the high jivity of where he actually

36:31Charlie Eccleshare:high jivity was brilliant uh we thought it might be a one-off just to just a you know a glitch in the uh football speak matrix but no here's paul merson on ex-soccer amace tubes's new podcast about football trading cards. Gazer and his prime is the best. Yeah, I mean, in 1990, he was the best in the world, I would have probably said. So for me, yeah, I think it's just his longevity. You know, I like longevity. I like that longevity of being good for like 10 years or 15 years and you're like, wow. This may be connected, Nick. Lee Hendry and Paul Merson shared a dressing room for four years at Aston Villa between 1998 and 2002.

37:10Charlie Eccleshare:Maybe that was just, maybe they coined it back then. I think jevity should just be a general thing and you should be able to apply it to loads of different things. Yeah, it was a word that John Gregory used perhaps and they've just picked up on it since then.

37:22Nick Miller:Gareth Southgate would be aware as well.

37:25Charlie Eccleshare:Jevity does sound like it could be a word. He's got a jevity for it, I think. He's just got a jevity for it. He's got a jevity about him and he always has. I think they just like that little bit of jevity. As an aside, at what percentage do you think that Merce was kind of really across the details and the concept of that podcast before they pressed record. I really don't know. But it's, yeah, the number of football podcasts just continues to astound me. But yeah, we move on. Portsmouth versus Blackburn at the weekend. And who was on commentary duty just days after his 81st birthday? Welcome to Fram Park for a fixture which epitomises

38:05Nick Miller:the quality of the championship. John Messino's Portsmouth looking to make it seven points out of nine after beating Cardiff here.

38:13Charlie Eccleshare:What are you doing there, Martin Tyler? He just loves the game, Charlie. That would appear to be the number one explanation here. Yeah, who's it for? The EFL official highlights.

38:25Nick Miller:Wow, OK. Because he does, I mean, he still does various bits, doesn't he, for Australian TV and... Does he do, like, the world feed and that kind of thing?

38:33Charlie Eccleshare:Yeah, I think he's a world feed man. There was conceivably a world feed for this game because you get broadcast to a lot of countries, the championship. So yeah, it's great that he's prepared to go down a division, Nick, right? It reflects well on the man, I think. just yeah i mean there's just he obviously doesn't well presumably doesn't need to be doing this he's just carrying on doing it because because he he loves doing it i'm also i'm not really a kind of fifa man or the or any of those computer games but that intro as the teams were exactly like it really was fifa or pro evo one of those i suspect he's relying more and more on that training actually as he heads into his twilight years actually um i saw a great tweet about this uh someone said i just heard and saw martin tyler commentating on portsmouth versus blackburn that's like me getting kate middleton around to clean my house technically possible but you can't help wondering what the hell happened why would you go for kate middleton i'm not sure that's the director with respect to the analogy i suppose you know she's of high status used to being served served to right so maybe that i get that but but tyler is still doing

39:45Nick Miller:the same job that he normally does i mean like you know wouldn't it be more of like not the

39:51Charlie Eccleshare:game when he has a job who's the really famous instagram cleaner mrs hinch i believe it is her getting her around to clean your house but i i think i think there might be another explanation for this i had a little look on the internet commentators database as i so often do ahead of this podcast to scrape some data i noticed that martin tyler has commentated on portsmouth games in the 1970s the 1980s the 1990s the 2000s the 2010s but not as of before this weekend the 2020s and now he has he's completed the set there we go it's obviously rankled with him that one i guess

40:31Nick Miller:on the same weekend Harland finally scored against Sunderland. He had a similarly, he was like, I can't, this is annoying me. It must have been nagging away at him.

40:42Charlie Eccleshare:Just, you know, I haven't done a Portsmouth game this decade. Yeah, he did 70s, he did 80s. Only one Portsmouth game in the 90s, which was the replay of their FA Cup semi-final against Liverpool for the highlights. He just scraped it in the 90s. And then, of course, in the 2000s, Portsmouth were up in the Premier League. So that was taken care of. So, well done, Martin Tyler, and happy birthday, 81, last week. Extraordinary.

41:23Charlie Eccleshare:Footballers' names in things next. Lovely pair of them for you. First one, Premier League managers' voices in radio adverts for country music festivals. 25th September to 26th At the Bluegrass Festival in Monty Eye Monty Eye of Michaelmas Bluegrass Festival From the 25th to the 27th of September For tickets, go to fienta.com And we'll see you there.

41:55Charlie Eccleshare:just knocked off track at the end there charlie but it's very moisey throughout

42:00Nick Miller:what is it about the end is it too sort of jaunty for for moisey that sign off it's probably a

42:06Charlie Eccleshare:slightly different um scottish accent i think it probably just went off a bit but um but yeah moisey enough i think for the rest of it nick i'm happy with that i can also imagine that him being the kind of guy that would be that that would be you know part of his hinterland he would like that he'd have a kind of keen interest in that kind of music. Bluegrass. Yeah, if it had been out of work for a little while, you'd say, well, what have you been up to, David? It was well, actually. More time to go to bluegrass. Now he's mellowed in his latter years. Yeah, he's just found some other interests.

42:38Charlie Eccleshare:Next up, this came from Fraser Morgan and Oliver Robey, who were both watching Antiques Road Trip last week. We're at the National Robotarium.

42:47Nick Miller:yep that's a real place at heriot watt university it's the uk's leading center for robotics and ai natasha and david are meeting steve mclaren coo of this otherworldly place do you know what nick

43:03Charlie Eccleshare:i thought is steve mclaren enough of a conspicuous name to include in footballers names and things it was borderline i went with it but do you know what cemented it the opportunity to make some sort of quip about the idea that this bloke might talk in a robotic voice just because he works That's a commercial repatarium.

43:17Nick Miller:Yeah, that is, that was, you know, what came to mind instantly, him speaking in a robot voice. I'm glad you're backing me up here, Charlie.

43:25Charlie Eccleshare:One of the most perennial forms of footballing bans, is Steve McLaren's accent. There we go. Dan writes in next, Nick. He says, I've been a youth coach for a local team for the last 10 years, and I've just been asked to take the year eight football team at the school I teach at. Having given it some thought, I've come to the conclusion that this is effectively me being offered the youth team equivalent of a national job. I now have a pool of 125 year eights to assemble my team from and I can even scout their performances at their local clubs I like the idea of thinking the students will be waiting at home with their families for my first official team sheet, Call Up I look forward to including an injured player just in case he gets fit before the second game Is he counting all the kids in year eight there, do you think?

44:04Charlie Eccleshare:How many did he say? 125, that's probably a whole year's worth of kids You can't include them all

44:10Nick Miller:In theory, in theory you can this is really funny because we used to laugh even at the time and it's it's even more ludicrous now but like some of our coaches at school did try and sort of cosplay as pro managers and we still laughed there was one game we had where we were like away at this team and our coach is honestly was like you know i take a point here this is always a tough place to go it's just like year under what would it have been like under 15s football it was like we don't even know how good the oppo are you're just saying that like based on previous years they've had like it's totally irrelevant like tough place i would take but we beat in three now it wasn't a tough place to go at all like what the dads are going to be really intimidating it's probably one of the

44:51Charlie Eccleshare:sort of least sort of established forms of coaching nick the school team i think it's usually done quite begrudgingly or someone who's just into football a bit but i do remember quite vivid memories of after one heavy defeat against a local school um our sort of year nine football team manager saying right if you play like that again i'll ban you from playing for your sunday teams we're like you can't do that what are you on about that's absolute madness those worlds can't be allowed to collide but he was adamant that he was allowed to stop us playing for our sunday teams we were petrified by the idea in the end so we actually ended up performing for him but you know we laugh at this guy you know sort of pretending to be like a national team manager but if you suddenly realize you've got a very clear catchment area of players that are eligible to play for your team you're going to take it seriously the filtering process you can be like well i've got whittled this down to a good 20 pretty quickly yeah you probably i mean it would be

45:43Nick Miller:really funny you'd probably be quite nervous as well that you might there might be a couple of really good kids you'd you'd miss you know who just like you know had an off day at the trials or whatever yeah and came back to haunt you for another they left went to another school

45:56Charlie Eccleshare:pledged their allegiance to year seven instead yeah my dad my dad was born in year seven so now um fair play to dan um what a job that must be now peter jan clarsens nick has made a belgian version of happy hunting grounds wow sounds pretty obscure right how well do you think you'd do at belgian happy hunting grounds absolutely terribly yeah level i'll be happy with a level very very happy with a level two on that. Well, there are no levels, I'm glad to report. It's all on one level. Let's play it. It's available to play at scoreboard.app And let's have a go. I'm confident. Who has scored for Anderlecht at Lotto Park?

46:41First question. Where's Lotto Park?

46:46Charlie Eccleshare:Lotto Park is actually the constant van den Stock Stadium, which is actually Anderlecht Stadium. So, that's ridiculous. We might be able to do this, Lekaku. I mean, surely. It's Roger, Jordan or Romello. Which one would you like? Let's go Roger. Definitely not. Romello, Kaku. Correct. One out of one in Belgium. There you go. Who was scored for Charlewa at the Pierre Cornelisstadion? Okay. Right. We're allowed to look up who it is. The Pierre Cornelisstadion. And that is Alst. Who was scored for Charlewa against Alst?

47:22Nick Miller:I think like you guys, Charlewa and he brings up one thing in my mind and that's English hooligans.

47:28Charlie Eccleshare:Who's paid for Charlewa?

47:29Nick Miller:Did any of them then join Charlewa?

47:31Charlie Eccleshare:No English players have been on loan at Charlewa. This is really annoying. I've got, this could be wrong. I've got Philippe Albert coming from Charlewa. He was Antwerp, I think.

47:42Nick Miller:I think so. He may have paid for Charlewa at some point. Give it a go.

47:47Charlie Eccleshare:It's a no, I'm afraid. Round three. Who's scored for Lies at Charlewa? Oh, Leurs. Wesley Sonk, I think, played for Leurs. Nice. It's a no, I'm afraid. Okay, let's probably draw a line under it there. Don't know, but yeah. Still take one. I'm honoured and flattered that someone would bother to make a Belgian version of Happy Underground. We should do it for all leagues, really. It'd be like when Championship managers started making the Serie A version in 95-96. Finally, this is from Philip Edwards, who pops up with a gem of a question every couple of months. he really does uh this was question three from him in his email who are your all-time top three premier league overlappers who comes to mind in the premier league specifically when you think of overlapping ashley cole definitely like that that sort of really sort of slightly erratic almost cartoonish running style where he looked like he was running away from a burning car

48:42Nick Miller:really all at it ashley there are a couple i mean andy robertson in the modern era um you know he was really good at that just a real pest and would keep doing it and would just like whip in a really dangerous low cross i also think of um gary neville where beckham would get the ball and neville would famously dutifully run outside of him often be ignored but was still overlapping yeah definitely i thought of neville but i was slightly worried that i'd been kind of influenced too heavily by marketing you know with the overlap being yeah that's true from a from a kind of uh our nostalgic sweet spot nanti's perspective dan petrescu springs to mind interesting one of the slower overlappers but very sort of

49:27Charlie Eccleshare:really willing to do it if anything he was an underlapper one of the first underlappers he liked to sort of cut inside not cut inside drift inside crucial difference yeah this is good um great question and and all i wanted it all i wanted it to do was provoke the first thought at the top of our heads and that's exactly what it's done and that is what Football Clichés is all about. Thanks to you Nick Miller. Thank you. Can confirm that Wazzy Song did play for the year. Well done. Get in! Thanks to you Charlie Eccleshire. Thank you. Thanks to everyone for listening. We'll be back on Thursday with the listeners Mesut Harlan Dicks.

50:00Charlie Eccleshare:See you then.