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2:49Hello everyone and welcome to Football Clichés. I'm Adam Hurry, this is the Adjudication Panel. Joining me first of all is David Walker. How are you doing? I'm very good. How are you? Yeah, good, thanks. Alongside you, Nick Miller, how are things? Things are good. Excellent. Well done. You did it. Stole Dave's line. Dave, fascinating weekend in your Sunday League managerial tenure for Ribblesdale Rovers. They're chasing a late equaliser here against Deportivo La Calruna in the Chipotle UK Chairman's Cup. And I can almost feel you. I can hear you kicking every ball at this moment.

3:28come on come on the controlled ecstasy there is glorious i loved it i was a bit conscious i it was one of those moments i mean it was the last it was literally the last uh kick of the game and we had a throw in and we've got we've got a guy who takes a really good long throw so i've i was filming it on my phone just in case but as it went in i think if i wasn't filming it i would have gone more mad than that but i didn't want to go too mad because i was filming it yeah yeah i suppose that must be hard for like professional managers on the touchline knowing they're being filmed from every angle are you a um a phantom header it was a shot that went in but there was a header involved there are you a kind of i would say no but i think maybe i am maybe i don't realize i'm doing it there was something that i did yesterday and as i was doing it i thought oh this could be good for a future live show actually this is this is an involuntary movement that I've just realized I'm doing see if you can work it out from how I'm describing it or describe what you think the movement would be from from this scenario so you're watching your team you're on the touchline and something happens like one of your players like dives in for a challenge in a dangerous area maybe they're about like in danger of giving away a penalty or loses possession in a really dangerous area so the worst thing hasn't necessarily happened yet but it's a bad moment you see what i mean you've not conceded a goal here but you've you've fucked up and you're in you're in a bit of trouble what would your body do in that scenario for me it would be some sort of in the actual moment of the penalty near concession i feel like i'll be in a sort of state of sort of self-preservation sort of going a bit sort of hunched up and going ah like you're about to be run over or something raise your arm up as if as if being attacked by a wolf or something yeah something like that this is ridiculous podcasting right but i'm gonna do it on camera now and see if you see if you can identify with this the backward stretch yeah okay forward right yeah it wouldn't necessarily pin it to that moment but yeah so i weirdly i did have that in my mind when you first started talking about this so it has come full circle for my logical brain at least yes yes the lean back as if to take it all in perhaps wow okay great great podcasting indeed Nick you took in Switzerland 3 Germany 4 this week where were you the 1954 World Cup what's going on it was great fun I did mess up by not going to it was in Basel and there was that bit in Basel where don't you can stand in three countries but there's a bit where Switzerland Germany and France all kind of convene right so yeah it was a very convivial atmosphere geographically fascinating how are both how are they both shaping up for the World Cup oh well you know it was a friendly so it was completely meaningless in that respect.

6:13Speaking of friendliness, thank you for all your correspondence listeners on the Susie Dent episode last week. I'm so glad that you enjoyed it. It was a real advert day for the non-MHD guest episode format. I think she really flourished at not being constrained by her footballing fascinations and irritations, I think. Why would you constrain someone like Susie Dent with that sort of format? Just let her flourish. Let her roam. Exactly. Brilliant. And And as dozens of you pointed out over the last few days, the portmanteau for goal contributions that was staring us in the face the whole time was not glissist.

6:46It wasn't gussists. It was arseholes. Of course. I don't like it. 24 arseholes this season. I don't like it. Too much for you, is it, Dave? It's against the spirit of the exercise. Yeah, it's not what we're trying to do here. Let's keep this clean, shall we? Well, if you can't stomach that, you're not going to enjoy the last 15 minutes or so of this podcast, I can tell you right now. More great news. We've been nominated for Podcast of the Year Always On category at the Sports Journalism Awards 2025. Bit late for that, but yeah, very honoured to be amongst that sort of company. The Guardian Football Weekly, the Sports Agents et al.

7:27I'm happy to be there to make up the numbers, to be honest, Dave. No pressure on us, I don't think. I suppose, I think I said this on Instagram, I suppose that finding the commentary from Football Italia is journalism. isn't it? Yeah, the height of. Still counts. Still counts. Right, adjudication panel time. Let's start with some very surreal scenes at Wembley for England versus Uruguay on Friday night. The Guardian headline Nick reads, Ben White goes from hero to villain on England return in draw with Uruguay. I think that might be the kind of flattest hero to villain trajectory I've ever seen.

8:00Like, it was a one-inch tap-in at the back post and then he gave away a penalty, which was borderline but probably a penalty. So in terms of hero to villainous in a pre-pre World Cup friendly, I'm not feeling it. Walter's also muddied by the fact that he was being booed. So there's a kind of a villain element thrown at it. I mean, this headline is purely on looking at on-pitch matters. Yeah. But if you're being booed, can you be described as a hero even in those circumstances? It was some great Wembley booing, Dave. The only instance I can ever think of of a player being booed after scoring. and I'm not really invested in the Ben White England story massively.

8:39If he's a good player, I'm kind of happy for him to be in the squad. I don't think he's let his country down or anything like that. But the booing was incredible. Like it was really funny. It was funny, I think. Yeah, strange because Wembley, especially for friendlies, you don't always get a big reaction because it's such a kind of diverse crowd in terms of ages and it's just different from a club atmosphere, right? So I was sort of surprised that it was so widespread. But I think you're right, Nick. Yeah, he's gone from, well, basically he's gone from zero to hero and back to zero again. And maybe not even got to hero status in the middle at all, actually.

9:14No, absolutely not. It's a one-yard finish. Maybe that made him more of a villain. It was almost David Nugent-esque, Nick. He was a net villain, is what I'm saying. Other more regular elements of the England World Cup news cycle, Dave. The England World Cup base has been confirmed. They're going to be staying in Kansas City at the, quote,£200 a night, the Inn at Meadowbrook. Always good to get the per-night rate in for this situation, as if that's going to mean anything for the England squad's experience. I think, does that not seem a bit cheap for the England team? It does a bit. Yeah, it doesn't feel quite luxury enough to me.

9:54You want mid-hundreds, don't you, Nick, for England's base? Has there been some explanation first? I think Tuchel was speaking about the requirements, and this just happened to be the place that they chose. So, you know, I don't think it's part of some economy drive. Yeah, they're all flying economy as well. There's a strict limit on daily food expenses. But yeah, Dave, they deliberately chose this place because it was boutique and it wasn't going to be sort of shared with anybody else. And, you know, they were going to sort of have to just navigate this huge place. But same old story. The Football Association are already planning to erect a basketball court to keep the players entertained.

10:29so thank god thank god they're going to be entertained because it's the biggest problem of the world cup basketball's a funny choice isn't it I know they've done a lot of darts in previous camps but yeah I would have thought maybe like paddle or something but yeah fair play if they're going to shoot some hoops in their downtime good luck to them yeah there's going to be some tutting from people who think that basketball might be a bit too dangerous because there could be some injury I mean it's a Harry Kane goes over on his ankle story waiting to happen isn't it yeah I'm sure they were shooting hoops at Euro 2024 it must have been before 2024 because Mason Mount was involved.

11:02Mason Mount was sort of very much at the core of the basketball activity. So perhaps it was either the World Cup before that or the Euros before that. But yeah, I definitely remember England having a basketball penchant. Anyway, more to come on England's World Cup base, I imagine. Let's move on. Bobby Brooking, a West Ham fan you'll be stunned to discover, writes in and sent me this clip. It's seconds before Wealdstone score their 94th minute winner against Marine to send them to Wembley in the FA trophy one lad can be heard willing the ball into the net during the tiny moment of silence it's absolute perfection listen very closely after the iconic go on

11:46nick we're so used to the go on like we hear it all the time but um i love the please i really empathise with the please. I feel like I would beg that much for a goal in that situation. Oh yeah, big time. I need this kind of thing. There was also, quite interesting, there was please and then there was please, the shot, it's like a lob over the goalkeeper and there seemed to be like a little noise between the please and the ball actually going in and everyone going mental as well. Wow, I didn't hear that. Yeah, it was kind of, it was please and then there was a kind of, oh, and then it went in and everyone went nuts.

12:22That was really enjoyable. I feel like there are only certain goal-scoring circumstances, Dave, where you could ask, please, for your potential goal-scoring. They're kind of one-on-one-y situations where you need them to finish it. Yeah, but this wasn't quite that. I don't know what you mean. Normally, I would think that when you've got a period of time to anticipate a finish, yeah, it's a one-on-one, I don't know, maybe it's even the goalkeeper's up the other end of the pitch and you're trying to break away like Downman did the other day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's quite pleasing. But like this was what looked like a sort of straight long ball down the middle.

12:57It's bounced. The defenders, the defence haven't cleared it. So it's bounced and the strikers managed to get in and then lob it over the keeper from sort of the edge of the area. But there was that perfect moment after the bounce, just before the finish, where the fan has pleaded for the goal. Very nice timing. It was last minute, so it made sense. Yeah, it's a good measure of the XG, I think, just in verbal terms. I really enjoyed that. Next up, this came from Mike Ward and 70-yard Diag. Here is Shea Given on Five Lives Monday Night Club on the radical topic of David Moyes not getting enough credit for what he's done.

13:35Ever no challenging for, you would arguably say Europa League. I mean, not to check me. The league's too big of an ask, in my opinion, for them. But if they got into European football, it would be just another phenomenal job. It's just the next part of the building process. Yeah, but I don't know if it's just Moyes' name or something is not that attractive. If Moyes' oldinho or something, or we can change his name maybe or something. But everywhere he goes, he improves the team. He gets results. You know, he's again so steady. I think he is getting credit now. Is he? I don't know. I mean, there are two strands to this, Nick.

14:06Obviously, the knackered old concept of David Noy is not getting enough credit. Maybe he isn't getting the exact amount of credit he deserves. But Moyes' oldinho for a manager. What managers out there have the ino? sort of suffix you know there must be a whole generation of players who whose name still persists and have moved on into management but i still don't think that's the go-to construction is it not for the brazilian player turned manager no you're looking for the dino rather than the aren't you you know so marino wouldn't count but yeah there was also it's just enormously enjoyable you could see the moment that chapa's soul left his body when he when he was just he was just leaning on one hand talking into the microphone going oh okay yeah further evidence I remain convinced that Chappas would got a good MHD in him if we could ever tie him down to do it but surely yeah you're right it's not the right construction there aren't any famous Brazilian managers with that why aren't they coming through they must be coming through by now but they've had 30 years surely so the Inos of this world maybe the sort of you know the little one kind of translation maybe undermines their I guess coaching kudos I don't know could he have gone Moiseola yeah Moiseola would have been good yeah you've got to pin it to something but Moise Aldino is insane absolutely insane I'll never tire of these ever on the idea that the diminutive Eno thing because the opposite of that is Dow have we had any of those Scolari was Philippao but that was a kind of nickname thing yeah big Philip big Phil but yeah have there been any managers I don't think that I can't really think of any off the top of my head Does lend itself more, doesn't it?

15:47So yeah, Moyzow would have been good, although maybe not, wouldn't have come quite across superbly on Five Live. Who knows? Yeah, International Break does lend a sort of element of freedom to media outlets today to produce some long reads on some subjects that have been given time to kind of percolate. Shoddy Workmanship and Balearic Priest sent in some great examples from the BBC and The Guardian. Dirt pitches, dodging dogs and choosing Chelsea, the making of Esteval. Volcano's Connection and Disrespect The Making of Hal Grimson And 7th tier players A new app and togetherness Inside New Caledonia's unlikely World Cup tilt Great examples The Estaval one's probably been sitting in the drafts for a while, hasn't it?

16:29The last one, the New Caledonia one's a bit like a new app What's the old app? What are you on about? There's not enough context there, is there? It's just updated in the app store That's what it suggests, isn't it? togetherness that is rubbish that is rubbish come on I do quite like tilt though in an international concept because you don't it's not that's a that's a domestic thing usually isn't it title tilt yeah I do like a tilt I don't I don't know how again one for Susie Dent maybe but how has tilt become are you tilting towards the challenge is that what it is I don't know I'll have to look into it one of my favourite tweets of the football calendar once a year Henry Winter will take it upon himself to confirm who has been booked to play the Champions League final kick-off show.

17:19Last year it was Linkin Park. This year, he says, the Killers are to play the Champions League final kick-off show at Puskas Arena on May 30th. Somebody told me, etc, etc. Good choice. The Killers know how to put on a show in a stadium. They also know the power of football. Brandon Flowers put up a huge photo of Bobby Moore lifting the World Cup when they played Wembley and paid a moving tribute. Band will enhance the atmosphere, provided they're off in time to allow fans to provide the true soundtrack to kick off in Budapest. It's an amazing skill, Henry Winter has, Nick, to essentially apply the same format of tweets to everything he talks about.

17:50This could be him talking about the inclusion of a player in England's squad, like a late call-up. He'll be good around the dressing room. What a solid choice he'll be. It's amazing. Could be Spurs announcing a new manager. Yeah. The Linkin Park one was lent an air of absurdity because you couldn't imagine Henry Winter going to see Linkin Park. I can imagine him going to see The Killers, maybe with one of his kids or something. But extraordinary repeatable format. The imagery of Brandon Flowers putting up a huge photo of Bobby Moore is quite nice, as if he's brought it with him. And it's like a poster that he's stuck to the back of the stage or something.

18:29That bit is pure winter, by the way. His life is just dictated by respect by numbers. It's so good. Just any classy touches that he can detect in someone's behaviour and putting up a picture of Bobby Moore lifting the World Cup at Wembley. And that's all it takes as far as he's concerned. Let's stick to international football. Over the years, Nick, I've always been fascinated by the really incongruous pairings for international friendlies. And I got a lot of messages about some more this time around. But no, these weren't friendlies. These were part of the 2026 FIFA series, which is the second incarnation of this little-known tournament, which is, the whole thing is devised to give smaller nations a concept of tournament football against teams from other confederations, which is obviously a really healthy thing like a really good idea i hope there's no skullduggery behind it but on the face of it looks really really like healthy thing to do they're split up into completely random separate kind of um mini series around the world they don't all come together for a final they just play their own way and my favorite one of these series is rwanda b so there's two in rwanda this is the b one and it's aruba macao tanzania and lichtenstein unreal it's like it's like the sweeper podcast have been given permission to create their own people tournament it's such an incredible snapshot of the whole thing rwanda bees are too obscure even for them isn't it i mean jesus christ they haven't really given it a very sexy name have they rwanda b uh but rwanda's rwanda were just hosting it they're not even involved in this little mini tournament day which is incredible you can host it but you're not in it definitely not they're not they failed to qualify for their own their own tournament maybe they're in rwanda ray you have to assume that they were um i'm not gonna bother looking at it but yeah so yeah so straight into the semi-finals Aruba thrashed Macau 4-1 Tanzania just edged out by Lichtenstein the double landlocked aces 1-0 and then in the final Aruba absolutely handing it to Lichtenstein 4-1 actually I don't know what's more likely so they've won 4-1 we've got a screenshot here of the Wikipedia page is it more surprising that two of their players have Wikipedia pages or the two don't I don't know the fact that there's a third place playoff as well poor old Macau having to go and get thrashed 6-0 by Tanzania at the Kigali Pelé Stadium in Kigali so these FIFA series things are these like tiered then because there is one going on in New Zealand at the moment where Cape Verde are playing and obviously Cape Verde and New Zealand are at the World Cup they must be because China, Australia, Cameroon and Curacao are all in one series which looks a little bit more elite level.

21:02But there's no indication on the Wikipedia page that it is in any way... Oh, no, it is. It's done by FIFA rankings. Of course it is. So, yeah. So, yeah. And, yeah, I can confirm Rwanda were involved in Rwanda, eh? But the whole thing is giving kids five a side tournament day. Going off to get a burger in between games and hoping it doesn't give you indigestion. Was that Cape Verde tournament your first choice for this international break, Nick? Representations were made, but unfortunately, being sent to New Zealand wasn't quite... You could go to Switzerland instead. Right. Next up, Sam. Madge Wild writes in next, Nick, and says, Recently at Spurs versus Atletico, shortly after Archie Gray had sat one of the Atletico players down with a beautiful bit of dexterity, the bloke sitting next to me shouted, Archie Gray, you absolute taxi!

21:44Have no real idea what he meant by that, but loved it all the same. What a development for the absoluting. But he's not the taxi in this situation, is he? But neither is the opponent. The opponent's being given, sent away in a taxi, right? Yeah, the taxi's an outside agent to this. The taxi is the kind of vehicle, well, for ridicule. He's the dispatcher, if anything. Taxi for Micon. Yeah. The famous example. He's the guy that sends the taxis on their way, you know, in a little booth with the radio. So he's the absolute taxi dispatcher. But you can see how the shorthand has worked here, Dave. But a great deployment of absolute.

22:19I would love to hear this. I'd love to have heard this in the wild to see the precise intonation. I think you got it pretty much put on there. You absolute taxi. You can only guess. But also, that could be used as... Oh, he's a bit of a taxi, isn't he? I mean, I like him, but he's a bit of a taxi. Sort of an unglamorous vehicle. Big, you know, a bit of a black cab, isn't he? Not an Uber X. It's like the opposite of a Rolls Royce. It'll get you from A to B. Always slightly, a bit slow, a bit late on the scene kind of thing. But he's done the knowledge. Yeah. Done all his badges. So, yeah, maybe Archie Gray is about the right level for this.

22:58Maybe it does work after all, but maybe not this particular context. Play any position. It'll get you there any way you want. That's true, yeah. Next up, Geoff Hembury writes an interesting question, Dave. Any thoughts on when to use head-to-head versus toe-to-toe in a football context? Can managers go toe-to-toe or is it always head-to-head? I'm thinking that players go toe-to-toe and managers go head-to-head. But if you have two top players on opposing sides, it feels like both could work. Do these only happen in certain areas of the pitch? Midfielders can go toe-to-toe and head-to-head, but it feels like defenders and keepers are too far away from each other for that to work but see but it does seem to work with opposing strikers i mean getting more surreal as it goes on there dave but i think the crucial difference between head-to-head and toe-to-toe is head-to-head is a really mundane thing it's just two teams or players going against each other without any sort of extra contact they just happen to be playing each other they're going head-to-head if they're evenly matched that's ideal toe-to-toe is a real challenge toe-to-toe is when you're taking someone on actively and saying go on son beat me that's toe-to-toe isn't it yes head-to-head is is a wider concept head-to-head is can be a statistical look at the record between the two sides it can be a deciding factor in group stages now in in tournaments it's a general concept these two set to go head-to-head on super sunday etc whereas yeah toe-to-toe is more of an active thing and it It can also be a bit like, I don't know, if like a smaller team in the FA Cup playing a big team.

24:26You know what? They went toe-to-toe with him out there today. Spot on. Absolutely spot on. So it does sort of emphasise the challenge aspect of it, Nick. But I do think toe-to-toe works better with individual players. Yeah, absolutely. He could go toe-to-toe with anyone in Europe at the moment, but you wouldn't say head-to-head necessarily. This may be just too literal interpretation, but toe-to-toe is from boxing, isn't it? So it kind of therefore lends itself to kind of individual battles. To answer the final question, Dave, can a goalkeeper go toe to toe with an opposite goalkeeper? No. But head to head would be OK.

24:59But yeah, so yeah, you can get head to head records, Nick. But I'd be interested to see if you could sort of progress that to toe to toe records. In a certain set of circumstances, did they beat them when they were really up against it? So yeah, I'd like to see a toe to toe record between, I don't know, Macau and Aruba perhaps. Well, that's it for part one. We'll be back very shortly.

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26:40Welcome back to Football Clichés. a reminder that you can sign up for Dreamland for just£5.99 a month. You'll get ad-free listening of all our episodes and two episodes a month of Dreamland, our exclusive show. Episode 20 of Dreamland is out now. Football on the radio. Some lovely reactions to that so far. Someone has described it as a love letter, Dave, which is not always going to be the case with Dreamland, so I want people to enjoy it while they can. Yeah, very much so. Very enjoyable episodes put together. There's a lot of clips from the past and the present. If you like football on the radio, you'll definitely like the episode.

27:11I enjoyed listening to it, even though Adam declared that I should belong on some kind of register because I was a 693 man for Radio 5. What's going on here? This must be, I mean, it makes a lot of sense for it to be a geographical thing. I think the further north you go, the more 693 seems to come into play. I've had more correspondence on this and they're all from northerners. So 693 is clearly stronger in the north. I don't know if this is a latitude thing. I don't know what's going on. What about talk sport? Strictly BBC household, the Millers. Fair enough. We were kind of like a very, very unofficial minor version of those people who wouldn't let their kids watch ITV because of the gaudy adverts or something like that.

27:50Talksport was a bit too brash for us. No, I'm on board with that. No problem. It's auntie or nothing in this household. Slightly queasy in there, but that's fine. Also, if you sign up to Dreamland at dreamland.footballcliches.com, you will have access to the new and improved HHG Premium, which is getting better and better and better. Happy Hunting Grounds Premium now has pub mode, where you can challenge your friends. It's got infinite ladder, which is kind of a tantric snakes and ladders quest to get to level 10 glory. And it also has turbo mode, my personal favourite, where you just need to guess the goal scorer.

28:25No season required, and you've got 60 seconds to get as many points as you can. And David Walker setting the absolute pace. 52 points in 60 seconds. 12 correct answers. So you obviously got a harder difficulty level along the way, which is uh but it didn't scare you clearly well that was levels one to ten i think right so that was the full gamut available you should be playing so you get a couple of high ones then it's going to boost your score but i think my record on levels one to three is 39 right i think which was i think i think i've got 19 correct answers in 60 seconds so it does help if you get if you get some canes and some agueros constantly typing in can yeah yeah it will autocomplete for you that does help things but yeah if anyone's getting in the 40s and 50s please screenshot it and send it to me because we can't have Dave leading the leaderboard there must be people out there who can better that Thursday's episode of Football Clichés this week will be the Extinct 11 so if you've got any contributions about the positions roles characters and specific footballing subtypes you just don't see anymore and may well have disappeared forever send them in and we'll shoehorn them in to our latest themed 11 we are as ever looking for nuance here because just a cursory sort of thought about this.

29:38I think the pitfall we could fall into is we just end up with a team full of like slightly overweight mavericks. Yeah, I think your contribution to the WhatsApp was fat strikers. So that's the nuance we're going for, is it? I think we should talk about fat strikers, yeah. But there has to be a bit more to it than just old football versus modern football. Absolutely. Don't be worried about going too niche and too obscure with this. We want some very, very specific types of footballer that seem to have gone out of fashion or perhaps are extinct. I've done a themed 11 for a while, so I'm looking forward to this.