Community Shield coasting, breaking down a "bomba" & how to launch a football podcast

21:24Charlie Eccleshare:There's only so many clubs, you know, so many sort of leagues that that can sort of encompass. So, yeah, I'm just fascinated by why you would reveal that information. Is that a good thing to say, that you had 178 names on your long list? I don't know if that is a good thing to boast. I'm not saying he's boasting, but a weird thing to reveal, Charlie. Yeah, I guess he's hoping that comes across as a thoroughness. Yeah, maybe. No stone unturned. We, you know, we went through the proper process and all of that. And I guess, yeah, if you're trying to suggest it's data-led, then, you know, we're casting the net far and wide.

21:56But the data should be more incisive, shouldn't it? Because if you include every manager in top five leagues, it gets you to about 100. And then, I guess, you know, chuck in... It's almost the whole of the 92. Out of work, top-level managers, there are plenty. Get a few from international football, then dip into second tiers. But that's everyone. That's like... Yeah, that's what I mean. All of those couldn't have been great data fits.

22:21Charlie Eccleshare:At least filter it by not interested, first of all. That's the first thing you do on Football Manager, surely. Elsewhere, Newcastle wrapped up their pre-season with a doubleheader at the weekend, one of which was refereed by Michael Oliver, Dave, who is a Newcastle fan, apparently, but was allowed to referee them in pre-season, which I guess feeds into the whole lax, slightly tinpot aspect of pre-season. But, I mean, is there any controversy there? Like, I mean, there could be a tackle that sort of goes unpunished and that could lead to something else. Why aren't the standards upheld? Is it just because he lives locally?

22:57Charlie Eccleshare:What is this? It's a bit strange, yeah. I mean, I guess it's fine. But like you say, it could still be, I mean, it's still a match. It's still a proper, it's a friendly, but friendlies are still proper matches. I also thought, Charlie, like, who pays refs for friendlies? Because it's not under any sort of competition's jurisdiction. So does the home club have to pay them like a whip round in the changing room? yeah or the clubs do they split it between them yeah but then they do they pay pgm well who then pay him like yes to invoice them god because there are those things wasn't there a controversy with michael oliver that he went to the uae and oh yeah he's done games like that in the in pre-season and then it's oh that's why he gives man city decisions and this sort of thing so i guess they can sort of do what they want because that is outside of i mean that's the point though are Are they like freelancers?

23:45Charlie Eccleshare:Yeah, I don't know. I was going to say brown envelope, but that might get some of the legal trouble. It could be a brown envelope. It could be any envelope. But if you get paid in cash afterwards, that's fine too. Are they officially sanctioned games? Because we have this at Sunday League level. You have to be affiliated. Well, in our league anyway, we have to be affiliated to the league and the FA to play friendlies. But we are allowed to play unregistered players. You can play trialists or whatever. Careful, careful. It's all right. It's fine. I'll have to admit to that one. Pre-season. So, yeah, can clubs just...

24:20I mean, they can, I guess. You know, try lists. People play try lists. It's just never going to happen at the top level, is it, really?

24:24Charlie Eccleshare:I can't remember what the rules are anymore if you get sent off for something brutal in a pre-season friendly, Charlie. It used to be that you got suspended for the first league game of the season if you did something horrendous. Well, I was thinking that with the Community Shield, what would a red card have meant? Separate competition, I believe. Yeah, because surely that would be a massive pain in the arse for a manager if you're playing this extra game and then you're getting a player like a three-game ban for a bad attack on the Community Shield. Next three Community Shield games. What's your Wigan player got sent off after they won the FA Cup?

24:54You're banned. If you ever get back here, you're banned. Otherwise, it's fine.

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28:36Charlie Eccleshare:Welcome back to Football Clichés. This is the Adjudication Panel. But first, Dreamland episode 29 is out now. It's called In the Tank and Under the Belt. A search for the meaning of pre-season. So much in there, but one of my highlights is getting Dave and Charlie to sincerely blind rank all the sub-genres of pre-season friendly. We're also recording episode 30 of Dreamland this week, the big 3-0. We thought it was about time for some maximum subscriber engagement. So the next Dreamland episode will be a Football Clichés Q &A. Drop me a DM, an email to footballcliches at gmail.com, whatever. He'll leave it a voice note if you want and ask me, Charlie and Dave absolutely anything you want about the podcast, about football, about life.

29:17Charlie Eccleshare:And we'll happily answer them. for just£5.99 a month you'll get ad-free listening of all of our episodes plus two episodes a month of Dreamland our exclusive show and of course access to the happy hunting grounds quiz game and what a ladder it was the other day Dave Paul Wilkinson Paul Wilkinson I've had a lot of a lot of correspondence about Paul Wilkinson in fact what a week he's having someone wrote in saying Paul Wilkinson is their father-in-law I just couldn't be bothered to reply to work if it was the Paul Wilkinson or just a bloke called Paul Wilkinson Hope it's the former, Charlie, to be honest.

29:50Yeah, I read it. I read it. He meant it was this Paul Wilkinson.

29:54Charlie Eccleshare:Yeah. Fair play. I hope he let that Paul Wilkinson know. Yeah. Paul Wilkinson, in his Watford days, looked eerily like you, Charlie. Very weird. Amazing. Yeah. He's the eyes more than anything. Sure, the moustache more than anything. Oh, I mean, yeah. Moustaches come and go, don't they? Eyes are permanent. Moustaches are temporary. Eyes are permanent. That's how it goes.

30:17Charlie Eccleshare:Right. Anyway, back to the EFL. This came from David Marples, who was watching Leicester versus Notts County on the opening day of League One.

30:34Charlie Eccleshare:Alistair Foster also sent this in, Dave. He says, seeing as Leicester haven't been in League One since 2009, surely Suter has no right to be able to do any welcoming. Suter himself hasn't even played in the division for seven years. He genuinely has no right to welcome someone to League One. No. I mean, it doesn't quite work because Notts County got promoted last season, didn't they? So they can't really welcome Leicester to League One either. But it should be that way around. Whoever Leicester are playing should be welcoming them down to the level. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Spot on. Yeah, yeah.

31:08Charlie Eccleshare:All very, very strange. Now, I really enjoyed this nice little bit of tennis crossover with the Football Clichés pod, Charlie. Here's Iga Svjontek on her way to Canadian Open glory, being interviewed by the Tennis Channel's Mark Petchy. Iga, I want to say that felt very vintage in terms of the way you played, the height over the net, the way you moved your forehand around. I know everyone's discussing your style of play and everything else. Why vintage? Everybody keeps saying vintage, but what the hell? It's been like, what, two or three years? You must be like nine-year-old that people keep calling it vintage, you know?

31:46Okay, but I'll rephrase the question. No, it's that there have been many people coming to me like vintage Iga.

31:56Charlie Eccleshare:I'm still like 25, so... Keep going, Mark. Pin her down. Let's see where the threshold is. I want to know where rolling back the years is allowable I was going to say it's got rolling back the years isn't it as well there was so much of that with Salah at what point that became acceptable yeah I don't know when can a player be described as displaying kind of vintage characteristics or can a 25 year old roll back the years she's had like a difficult period from being like absolutely dominant to then really not being and she hasn't won a major for more than a year So it does make some sense, but yeah, it does rankle with her.

32:38Yeah, but I don't think vintage should be seen as like, oh, you're saying I'm old or you're saying I'm rolling back the years or anything. Vintage is just, you know, you're known for doing something and then you've displayed a great example of what you're really good at.

32:51Charlie Eccleshare:Yeah, it's more nuanced than rolling back the years. Rolling back the years does suggest that you've dropped off or you're just old and you are doing something that you were good at a long, long time ago. vintage obviously has the implication Charlie of of the passage of time but it also says this is your trademark this is what you are good at which and I think it's kind of 50 50 between them but it is funny that someone gets annoyed by it it's great I mean obviously there's a language barrier thing too but yeah it's great that an athlete would get sort of prickled by it I think that that's really cool yeah and I think she probably is thinking he means more of the time thing whereas his point is more you're playing you know you're going back to how you used to play a bit more, which has been a big talking point.

33:29But yeah, fair play. We love this kind of linguistic discussion.

33:34Charlie Eccleshare:She did apply, Rachel. She said nine years, which to be fair, I don't know if that's... In tennis, especially if you play, if you do have a long career, that could work. Nine years does feel a lot. In football, that would be quite a lot. Maybe five or six in football, perhaps, for a real rolling back the years. Vintage, I would allow maybe two or three. I think you could say vintage. If Bakayo Saka cuts inside, bends onto the far corner, you could say that's vintage Bukayo Saka either that or not he's not far off how old is he now? he's 24 approaching mid-20s yeah he's nearly 25 I think once you hit hit your mid-20s you're ripe for a vintaging if the other stars align this came from Thomas Brent it's from Sky Sports Transfer Talk podcast featuring the great Damesh Sheff the Athletics' Dan Kilpatrick and friend of the pod Sam Tai does Cody Gagpo qualify as a bomber?

34:23what is a bomber by the way? I think it has to be more than 50 million. It has to be a forward, I think we decided. And it has to be a kind of, quote-unquote, big player. Doesn't there have to be some element of surprise here?

34:38Charlie Eccleshare:Does it necessarily have to be more than 50 million? Because you're going to have a free agent. Say Mohamed Salah turns up at Tottenham. Okay, Salah could be a bomber. Yeah, Salah could be a bomber. That's an element of surprise. So Sam, would Savinho be a bomber? No. Who would be shocked if Savinho joined Spurs? they've been trying to sign him for a year now so i don't think that would qualify hold on i just i'm really interested in this bomber yeah well i don't really know what it is yeah but you you've said few a few different elements to this do they all have to happen or can we say two of the three or one of the three to constitute a bomber there's a different podcast that sorts this sort of thing out um ask them um what if they've done it they probably have I'm going to file this one, Charlie, firmly under well done boys, good process.

35:25Charlie Eccleshare:Everyone played their part there. I've got nothing more to add. I haven't really immersed myself in bomber culture, so I can't really fine tune their criteria anymore. Yeah, I know. That was really good. I did enjoy when Deserby first said it when he kind of trailed the don't worry, there's going to be a bomber kind of thing, which was like extraordinary language for managers to use. I gather in Italian I think it means something slightly different. Yeah. But yeah, in like football Twitter speak, Yeah, I think they've nailed it. Is there an element of you know one when you see one? I would have thought so, yeah.

35:57But also, is the bomber in the eye of the beholder? Because for Riccio Romano, tweeting out that Watford are going to sign a centre-back is not a bomber to the wider footballing world, but to us, it's big news.

36:09Charlie Eccleshare:I wouldn't mind that. I see your point. Yeah, I mean, a transfer coup could be a coup for anybody, depending on who's coming in and how much they're being signed for and that sort of stuff. So could Bomba be a movable feast, Charlie? I don't see why not. Should we abuse the term is what I'm saying. I definitely think in that case, for Watford fans, presumably they are, they're all saying, you know, Bomba, Sunday night Bomba or whatever on this player. And I think that's totally fine, even if the wider world aren't stunned or particularly caring about it. Wait till we sign Mikel Antonio later this week.

36:41Charlie Eccleshare:Oh yeah, here he's been training with Watford. That's not a Bomba. Having heard the word bomba being uttered at least a dozen times in the last two minutes, I've gone off the word bomba. And I really hope it doesn't persist. Time for footballers' names in things. A couple for you. First one comes from David Seward. Here is a YouTube chess tutorial from Grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky. As I just explained, the bishop goes either to D3 or to E2. But this is an extenuating situation because he's played F5. He's weakened this diagonal. So now we dynamically react by developing the bishop to c4 and controlling the diagonal.

37:16Charlie Eccleshare:I hope that makes sense. Okay. Wayne Rooney asks a great question. Why not d5? Well, yes, you're exactly right, Wayne Rooney. This creates a massive weakness on e5, which we can later occupy with an item. This is not the end-all, be-all for the bishop. We could go to d4. I mean, obviously, David, it is a mere chess username here. And so in that respect, not the classic footballer's names and things, but it's an irresistible conjuring up of the image of Wayne Rooney tuning into a chess tutorial and wondering what to do with his bishop. You can't completely rule it out. Like, it wouldn't be massively surprising if Wayne Rooney revealed on one of his podcasts that he's got an interest in chess.

37:54Spot on.

37:55Charlie Eccleshare:Like, it really is kind of mid-table lore to add to a kind of footballer's existence, Charlie, especially as he moves into kind of a management phase of his career and that sort of stuff, to reveal that, yeah, he plays a bit of chess and he finds it relaxed and he enjoys the strategy of it. So I completely agree with Dave. You could totally imagine Wayne Rooney sort of revealing this to Goldbridge on their new podcast. Yeah, in keeping with his like that funny Twitter era he had where he, you know, just come out with like really off-key stuff for him to just casually drop in. Yeah, he loves playing online chess.

38:26Wayne Rooney tweeted in 2009, Bishop to E10. Yeah. Nothing else.

38:34Charlie Eccleshare:Oh, good stuff. Secondly, this came from Nonsum Qualis Eram on the Reddit. What's that Latin for, Charlie? It means I am not. I am not as I was, it must be. Something like that. Okay, on the Reddit. This is Irish right-backs names in Turkish knock-off Star Wars movies. This is from 1982 film Dunyayi Kutaran Adam, or The Man Who Saves the World, widely considered to be one of the worst films ever made. Listen carefully for Irish writebacks.

39:20Charlie Eccleshare:It's in there. It's definitely in there, Seamus Coleman. Absolutely mad film this is. a completely copyright resistant attempt at remaking star wars on a very very tiny budget just dug that up fair play i mean i am on on sunday night i dug out um an old dvd that a family friend made made for us years and years ago it's got my parents wedding on it but it's also got some like some home video stuff of like me when i was a baby it's got a clip of andy crane on the bbc like cbb's or whatever the equivalent was back in the back in the 80s like wishing me a happy birthday my parents had sent in a birthday card but i was like the fifth one that they read out and i was sitting there watching it and the dominant thought my mind was like please let one of these other kids have a footballer's name please it'd be so good for the live show alas no i must confess i had a similar thought a bit more but walking through a graveyard quite recently at church i was like this would be quite an amusing time in quite a somber scenario to see like some totally random you know oldham left back from the early 90s alas absolute alas good to know you're both on the case though for the live show anyway speaking of big budget productions that nevertheless attain very little critical acclaim it's time for keys and grey corner

40:53Charlie Eccleshare:Ford Super Sunday.

40:58Charlie Eccleshare:Now, inevitably, this podcast goes out before the first episode of Keys and Grey Unleashed hits the podcast airwaves. We knew this was going to happen, Dave. When you work in this industry for long enough, you know that this sort of thing is going to happen. They know when we record. They know they're not going to give us the juice straight away. Look, we've always got Wednesday. It's a pincer movement. They can't escape us. And Wednesday's good. We let our hair down on Wednesdays and we get really stuck in. But there's still plenty for us to get stuck into on Keys and Grey Corner, Charlie. The Keys and Grey weekend began with this just piece of gold, frankly.

41:35Charlie Eccleshare:Richard Keys in Hyde Park tweeting, I'm baffled as to why this beautiful tribute to Princess Diana has been shut all summer. The Royal Parks, why is fixing this not a priority? Tweeting out three photos of the sign saying that the fountain is currently dry. why three why why tweet them all richard as if they wouldn't be aware of it um i yeah i think this is a hopefully a little glimpse into what we might have to come like him being back in the uk we're going to get a lot of stuff like this potentially quite you know recognizable places and him having complaints about them yeah the um just as an aside the the sign that he's he tweeted out the picture of um the sign it says due to a system issue the fountain is currently dry we're working hard to get things flowing which is sort of like something you can imagine like an under pressure manager in the early days of a new regime saying you know we're working hard on the training pitch you know to get things moving to get things flowing things ain't flowing at the moment we know that right so yeah it's good good to have him topping up his princess die references because that really is just you know beyond parody kesey next up what i hope isn't the last of kesey's three minute back garden monologues and what a classy little soundtrack it was for this one listen um thank you and i may have said this already once or twice but i genuinely mean this the reaction to these little musings in the garden and um those of you calling for more much bigger more profile um it's enormously uplifting when you live in the space that I have for as long as I have and you read and you hear stuff that's so wildly wrong, all of it unchecked, none of it that you recognise as being part of your life or who you are.

43:23You do get to a point where you think, really? Do I really need this? I told you before, a number of different options when I got back were made. Bigger. we've now Andy and I Andy and myself

43:39Charlie Eccleshare:Andy and me we've said yes there's nothing more to say about it yet but oh I love it how deliberate do you think the soundtrack was I need an extra something for these monologues it's so you could like if he did all of his monologues back to this this sort of low tempo piano jazz get it on vinyl Get him down Ronnie Scott's. Keys and Grey Unleashed at Ronnie Scott's. Yeah, can we get a track ID on this, please, listeners? Couldn't work it out for myself, but I'm sure it was a classy choice. Always been interested in Keys' musical choices. But yeah, this was an extra special one. Next up, Big Faisal on the Reddit, Dave.

44:20Charlie Eccleshare:So did anybody catch Keys' deleted Instagram story then? Oh, yes. Yes, I did.

44:30Charlie Eccleshare:i know it's been a question asked many times down the years in different circumstances but it's a good question nevertheless to swallow or not i can see why that got deleted this is Richard Keyes trying oysters for the first time Dave right okay yeah fair play do we know what he did he swallowed yeah he did okay we guess you've got no you haven't really got a choice with oysters have you I presume you could chew them first or they're just straight down the gullet don't think he enjoyed his first oyster Charlie there was all he could taste was the pickle apparently on the top. So, yeah. But yeah, I sympathise with him in that respect.

45:17Charlie Eccleshare:But yeah, in his new era of brand management, that instant story did not last long. Then, on Friday, dropping around the same time as that national alert that made the entire country shit themselves, confirmation of Keys and Grey unleashed. Charlie, the soundtrack they went for, for their teaser video, Alive and Kicking by Simple Minds, very much a tap-in. We were hoping for boys back in town, but maybe that that ship has sailed a little bit the boys um yeah i just so so fascinated by this whole thing like i was thinking will there ever have been a podcast where as high a proportion of listeners are listening sort of ironically and because they find it really funny like that it must be such a high proportion like who what is their fan base of otherwise like who are there people who still sort of love their footballing insights and want more and would listen to a podcast that's an interesting question because dave if you look at the correspondence kesey gets like you know whenever he sort of teases something that he might be doing soon you get the odd reply saying good good to see you back you know it's good to see sort of old school football coverage returning great to see you boys back on the airwaves or whatever and then of course you get the you know a 10 000 replies with all the usual banter but that's what i mean yeah like the ratio must be so small of people who are just earnestly like oh yeah i want more but that's not the whole equation charlie because if you listen to his last monologue you'll know that he receives a lot of well-wishing messages yes yeah saying it's good to have you back so a lot maybe it's all just private private correspondence so that has to make up some of the ratio as well on keys and grey unleashed dave when exactly were they leashed yeah because you you know you could you could sort of make the case that they've been unleashed in Qatar for the last however many years.

47:03They pretty much said whatever they wanted to say on air, didn't they? Were they leashed at Sky? I mean... They would argue yes. Very much so. So 15 years on they've been let off the leash.

47:14Charlie Eccleshare:But they ruled the roost. They're always banging on about how they changed the landscape themselves. So they can't have been leashed. Well I guess would they not argue that by the end they were leashed? Having, you know, they made Sky great by being unleashed and then Barney Francis and his like came in and you know made it all a bit different and leashed them and okay that's why it went bad okay then on saturday further indication that they are indeed off the leash because we had the release of a frankly baffling ai anime teaser video um let's just have the audio from it alone

48:02Charlie Eccleshare:incredibly generous depictions anime style of those two days the definition the jawline yeah i when they they tweeted this out there was a there was a hashtag i think or a reference saying like if you know you know i don't know what the reference is no i'd say i don't know there must be some sort of animated thing i don't know is it is it is it riffing on something that we're just completely unaware of but um yeah because i yeah i had a bit of correspondence about this or is it just if you know you know is the alive and kicking bit it is the yeah i think it could be as simple as that just they probably think that's quite a clever sort of nod back you know the fact that they invented the premier league and that was the song I mean, maybe they'll reveal it.

48:46Charlie Eccleshare:Once again, just the baffling failure of AI to sort these things out. Like this kid on his bed scrolling his phone the wrong way round. With the screen facing out. Who commissioned this? It feels like a Keezy Rogue thing to have gone off and done. And all the producers of this podcast saying, can you just not? Can you just wait? Can you just wait? We'll do it properly. No, I want to get this AI video out. We'll handle it, yeah. It's anime. The kids will get it. It's fine. Clichésman Nick Miller tweeted, in years to come, the kid in the Keys and Grey Unleashed video, for some reason scrolling the back of his phone, will rank alongside Kelly Rowland texting Nelly from an Excel spreadsheet in the Dilemma video in Internet Culture.

49:23Charlie Eccleshare:Let's hope so. Yeah, very nice. But it's starting to make me think, Charlie, this could be a real crossroads moment for Keys and Grey Corner in some respects, because if they're going full knowing irony with Keys and Grey Unleashed, or at least an element of this, where does it leave us? Is Keys and Grey Corner viable? But that's what I would love to fully understand. How knowing and aware and ironic is it? I mean, I'm sure Kesey must be aware to some extent that people find him amusing. But I just think he thinks, no, people... Surely he wouldn't be doing this if he didn't think that most of the listeners are doing it because they think Kesey and Grey are great and they want to hear them.

50:07Otherwise, surely he's got too much ego and too much self-respect. So I don't know how sort of ironic it is from their perspective. I think they think they are still, they've got some, you know, it's like that Brent thing. I've got stuff to say if they just let me say it. Like, I think they do still think that they are like the last word on football. Definitely. But I also, I do think you're underestimating the amount of people out there that will want to consume this genuinely. Yeah, definitely. But I just feel like, sure, if you take, if you're, think of the age you've got to be realistically to really think Keys and Gray are who you want to be listening.

50:40talk about football like that's got to be skewing quite a lot older right and i'm just not sure how many of those people are going to be like you know on insta getting updates about a new football podcast i mean maybe they are maybe i'm underestimating but like most most podcasts average listenership is is younger than that so i just i don't see even if there are people and bear in mind as well that they haven't been on uk tv for so long i just think those sorts of people where would they be still consuming Keys and Grey earnestly over the last decade or so?

51:13Charlie Eccleshare:I'm as fascinated by you as by their sort of current size of their profile in 2026 in the UK. But, you know, we could well see evidence of it fairly soon. In terms of the subject matter of their new podcast, we'll get on to that in a moment when we enjoy their final official trailer. But in the process of rolling out their new project, Dave, if Keezy announced all the various social media platforms that it's going to be on, TikTok, Instagram. The Keys and Grey Unleashed Twitter account has already been suspended. Keezy doesn't realise that ampersands don't work in hashtags. It's not going very well, is it?

51:49That's such a classic old gaffe. Like hashtags as well. It looks like a tweet when you see an old tweet from like 2010, from that Wayne Rooney era. They just look unrecognisable because they've got loads of hashtags, there are loads of errors like that, loads of handles that don't show up anymore.

52:05Charlie Eccleshare:You don't need a hashtag in 2026. They do nothing. They're pointless. Elon, get me back on. Dark forces. On Sunday, the official trailer dropped for Keys and Grey Unleashed. That's a proper car park. I can put my finger through there. Talk about heads. Is this your new trademark? I'm often asked by people, you don't have a great deal of time for the Red Naps, do you? and there's a story there. Oh, it's back down. Very good. Is that the one you had on loan last year? Is that the one? I don't want to use the word corrupt, because it might be a bit too strong. Well, I will use it. I was just a small part of that.

52:44Charlie Eccleshare:We created change in football. We never altered the fabric of the 90 minutes. We never... We did quite genuinely could have ended up with you and I in jail. Is that coming too far? He's talking about everyone being banged, aren't we? Oh, I'm pleased you're still in the league. I'm pleased you're up. That's six points for us. I don't like to get busy, as you know, but resist. Absolutely, you're busy. My God. Now, what's it called? The David Dickinson Stadium. I think... Who knows what we're getting? We'll piss it. Can you edit that, please? Thanks very much. A whole new ballgame. I think this was a reliable sort of representational cross-section of what they're going to be talking about and covering, Charlie.

53:22Charlie Eccleshare:You know, a little bit of banter. Coventry-Everton being in the same division now is fantastic. Yeah, I think this is quite representative of what we can expect. You'd think so. um and yeah again i'm curious to know because people i think obviously will be gagging for that first episode how quickly they're like oh this is sort of just sort of quite boring football chat like you all the gold like you'll pick out all the gold and the gold will probably be clipped up but like do you remember i mean how many like full episodes of the original one like i remember there was one where you did that incredible summary of picking out like you sort of distilled it into a few minutes but i imagine like regular regularly listening to every episode would be like that quite hard work sort of getting all the gold i can't wait i can't wait um dave um the the passerby in the middle of that trailer saying the boys are back in town staged or not how how authentic do you think this was i wouldn't put it past one of our listeners maybe one of the people who took the photos the other day yeah the delivery i mean i just think if it isn't i hope it wasn't staged you know because that would i think that would be a shame but also actually if it was staged well here's the thing i would like if it was staged by the producers of the show and kesey wasn't in on it i'm fine with that i'll take that yeah but hopefully it's genuine and they are listening to the pod and they've just seen it and they've just got on the boat on this on the spot gone boys are back in town and kesey's reacted to it nicely but if that is the case take claim for it like take take responsibility for it get on the reddit and tell if it was if you were the person who did this please do um now amidst all the excitement and buzz of the announcement the teasing the new trailer the anime video all this sort of stuff um there are mundane aspects to launching a new podcast dave uh one listener or one potential listener replied straight away saying is it going to be on pocket cast as well please or could you provide me an rss link go on kesey sort that lot out pocket casts just listening to that Spotify.

55:27Charlie Eccleshare:I'm a fucker. Gigi's such a, he'll tweet out an Apple link, won't he, at some point? Just like, you know, the full hypertext link in the tweet. Oh, yeah, producers got a big job on. Yeah, can't wait. The new episode of their podcast may be out imminently and we'll get stuck into it on Wednesday, I hope. Thanks to you, Charlie Eccleshire. Thank you. Thanks to you, David Walker. Thank you. Thanks everyone for listening. We'll be back on Thursday. See you then. Thank you.