Curtain-raising issues, Wycombe's new goal verb & things you cannot be "amid”

18:58Charlie Eccleshare:Park the bus, yeah. It's just the top of the concept. I mean, park the bus is more than 20 years ago. You're more than 20 years old anyway. Yes, that's the best bit. Oh, my goodness. Anyway, this weekend sees the return of the Premier League, of course, and the new look match of the day, which will be rotated between three presenters. Dave Crafterly, they've taken the two out of the title of match of the day two just to appease them. It's keep the squad happy, isn't it? It kind of makes sense in that, yeah, you can just have Chappas, Kelly Cates and Gabby Logan, just any of them can host either show across the weekend and it's match the day.

19:30But that's kind of a low-key passing of an era. No match the day two anymore. Are they not going to have two good, two bad?

19:37Charlie Eccleshare:Because that won't work with the title anymore. One good, one bad. Just good, bad. A good and a bad. Right. Yeah, Gary Lineker, you're better off out of it. It's all gone to shit. But anyway, his career is moving on. Lineker Charlie is hosting a new game show on ITV called The Box. And when I heard about this, I knew instantly what was going to happen. And National Journalist 51 on Reddit confirmed the news. Lineker says, I've always felt right at home in the box on a football pitch. And whilst this is a different proposition, the fundamentals are similar. I knew he was going to reference it. Is that why they've chosen him for it, just for that?

20:12Probably some good brand synergy, yeah.

20:14Charlie Eccleshare:Dave, I just feel uncomfortable with Lineker on ITV, just generally. You don't need to do it. It is a bit weird, yeah. Righty has flipped between the two, hasn't he, quite a lot over the years. But yeah, Lineker, I don't remember the sitting on a fortune game show that he did before. Why can I already picture exactly what the studio will look like? Because there's something very identikit about all ITV game shows. It's going to be incredibly sparkly. I know that. It's going to be a lot of bright lights, but fundamentally also quite dark at the same time. A lot of plastic. No, I was going to say, yeah, sitting on a fortune, 2021 to 2023.

20:47How did that not... A lot of things happened in those two years that we've forgotten about already. Were they behind closed doors in the studio in 2021? No, it was November 2021. So they would have been out of the behind closed doors era in Premier League terms anyway.

21:01Charlie Eccleshare:Can't picture him doing game shows. Very odd. Right. Here's another Guardian headline for you, Charlie. Nicholas Jackson tells Chelsea he wants to leave as Newcastle circle. Can one thing circle? I mean, strictly speaking, if you were sat on the floor and I walked around you, I would technically be circling you. But in the traditional sense, you need more than one thing to circle. I don't know, I'm interrogating you, I don't know. Part of a live show. You don't tend to say like, yeah, a vulture is circling. I mean, there does tend to be a kind of, it's implied or expected that there's going to be more than one.

21:31Charlie Eccleshare:Yeah, I think more than one thing needs to circle a player in this situation, Dave. You can't just have Newcastle circling, can you? No. A mid-Newcastle circle. I mean, I guess you probably do get the old solitary vulture just out on its own circling. but um but are you there we go right um warren winrow writes in next this is great kian and dewsbury hall talking about signing for everton charlie he says me and everton have gone back a couple of years so i've always taken an interest in the club i grew up watching everton every week on match of the day you can't say that you watch all the fucking teams on back to the day that's no preferential treatment for everton what does he mean by gone back a couple of years i don't so always taking an interest in the club.

22:15So he's not saying he supported them, he's just saying... He's implying, I think, that they're interested in who's gone back. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah. So they're interested in him and as a result, he's always taking an interest in the club, but then he says separately and I grew up watching them. I mean, they've always been there. Yeah, like, we all did.

22:33Charlie Eccleshare:Exactly. There's never been a season where you haven't been able to watch them on Match of the Day every week. The only way that this would be flattering to Everton, Dave, is if he'd waited for Everton to come on and then switched off and said, I'm not watching anymore. They better be first on because I'm watching any of that shit. I always kept an eye on their placing on Match of the Day. They're only going to be first on if they've won at Old Trafford or something like that. So I suppose, yeah, he could have ended up with a good impression of them, but I don't think he would have seen that much of the other Premier League teams.

22:57Charlie Eccleshare:Just a hilarious thing to say. Never heard anyone talk about that before. I've watched them every week on Sky Sports Match Choice, actually. I go straight for them on the red button. Yeah, that would be something. Right, Fraser Johnston writes in next. He says, I'm watching the Southampton versus Wrexham game and the co-commentator, I think it's Hinchcliffe, but it could easily be Goodman, has just said that Adam Armstrong has put his shot straight down the goalkeeper's throat. The shot was along the ground. I'm not having that. Dave, can a shot along the ground be down a goalkeeper's throat? I don't like that at all.

23:25Charlie Eccleshare:It doesn't seem right, does it? Could be on all fours taking it down the throat. Yeah, that is kind of the technique, I suppose, if it's straight at you and it's on the ground. But yeah, and also I suppose it feels like a shot on the floor is going to be slower, which just doesn't sort of seem to suit the down the keeper's throat thing. But you get what he means. He's hit it straight at the keeper. Yeah. I mean, what is the textbook scenario for a shot going straight down a goalkeeper's throat, Charlie? I mean, I'm thinking Jamie Redknapp's sort of errant cross-cum shot against Columbia in 1995, which Higuita ended up scorpion kicking instead.

23:57Charlie Eccleshare:It should float. It should float towards the keeper, I think. I don't know. That feels a little bit too floaty and easy. I still think it needs to be a shot and more, but it's a bit underpowered. I think the key point is the centrality of it. Right. That it's just like he doesn't have to move for it, basically. It can't be a palm stinger, because then that takes precedence over the direction of the shot, right? Yeah, but I think the prerequisite is its centrality, and then, yes, it doesn't require a parry. Okay. I don't know what you mean, but I do think there needs to be an element of speed to it, because I think the reason you're saying it's straight down the keeper's throat is that you're sort of remarking on that.

24:39Exactly. It's not a bad shot. He's hit it well, but it's straight down the keeper's throat, so it doesn't go in.

24:44Charlie Eccleshare:Okay, interesting. Okay, I didn't think of that aspect. Right, finally for part one, Josh B alerted me to this. This is from Boston United, who are playing Middlesbrough's Under-21s in what's known as the National League Cup, which is a trophy I'd never heard about before. Anyway, they tweeted, Goal, Borough lead inside 50 minutes, with Max Howell slamming home at the back post. Charlie are you having inside 50 minutes? No that's really weird What's the function of saying inside 50 here? Unless it was like 49 minutes and 38 seconds I don't know what would the point be Yeah or if they're not entirely sure of the minute I mean is it a kind of fudging you know around the 50 minute mark type goal otherwise I mean I guess you could argue like first five minutes of the half but that's not really a thing Josh B says that this is obviously a bit past the cutoff point I'm sure we've discussed this before but what's the maximum number of minutes for inside?

25:31Charlie Eccleshare:10? Inside 10 minutes. I think I might have gone higher and you guys talked me down. Inside 15 minutes? You can't have inside 15. Yeah, I think it has to be. 12 is the last minute I can imagine in a commentator. And they lead at Old Trafford inside 12 minutes. I can sort of imagine hearing. That feels too specific though at the same time. I don't know. I'm going down. I'm revising mine down to five minutes. Although maybe single figures. Maybe single figures is fine actually. I think 10's fine shortly. Inside nine minutes. Because that's still nine on the clock as well. Yeah, I like Inside 10.

26:01Charlie Eccleshare:Anyway, we'll take a short break. I'll go and check listenfairplay.com to make sure.

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29:51Charlie Eccleshare:Your theory, your story has now been backed up. Yeah, there you go. Great news for Northampton fans. I don't think they're particularly good this season. They're expected to have a tough season, but they've got chips at least to see them through the hard times. I got sent one over the weekend, actually i think someone sent to me on twitter a screenshot of the menu from queens park um okay i suppose that's one of the benefits of them playing at hamden is it you get you get better facilities you get chips i really hope this sparks a sort of domino effect of ventilation system refurbishment across the football league charlie lots of copycat yeah cases yeah they can claim credit yeah you know i'm backing it chips are great right you may have observed sunderland's transfer activity this summer, Dave.

30:35Charlie Eccleshare:They've made some very shrewd-looking, astute-looking signings. Habib Diarres from Strasbourg. Enzo Le Fay, of course, turning his move permanent from Roma. Noah Siddiqui from Union Saint-Gilois for£17.5 million. Kemsdine Talby from Bruges, £19.5 million. Simon Adingra, Premier League proven from Brighton and Hove Albion. I actually didn't know this one for£21 million. That completely passed me by. Granit Xhaka, of course, coming in to add a little bit of experience and steel to their midfield from Bayer Leverkusen. 17.3 million goldkeeper robin roofs from nec for 11 and a half million could could well be a great signing but dave it's almost like they've they've gone ah we're not we haven't signed someone completely sort of we've just been promoted to the premier league enough and they've gone and got arthur masuaku from persictas who's 32 in november that's very nice yeah a real mixed bag there i hadn't been paying attention to sunderland's transfer window before this um i'm sorry to say But it's funny these days.

31:32They're expected to struggle still. And there's the whole sort of people will be keeping a close eye, I think, on how well the three promoted teams do this season because we've had two in a row where they've both gone straight back down. But it seems we've sort of slipped into an era now where it's quite routine for newly promoted clubs to spend well over£100 million on a collection of players. Give it a go! And yet it still doesn't really register in the wider sort of conversation around the new season. And they're still expected to struggle. because you remember as recently as 2018 when Fulham spent over 100 million it was quite a big notable thing but now no one bats an eyelid at it Forest did it didn't they famously brought in a ton of players 20 players whatever it was but yeah Masuaku when I saw that I was kind of amazed that he was in a position to be coming back to the Premier League I just assumed he'd I mean so he was at Basicsas I would have assumed because he was your classic like oh he's a baller kind of player he was often described that way but yeah Yeah, because he was like a...

32:29Arthur Masawaku, a baller. Yeah, he was because he was one of those players who was a left-back but couldn't really defend but could do like mad things going forward and I think divided their fan base in like, oh, he can do these crazy things but can you actually just do like more conventional left-backy things?

32:45Charlie Eccleshare:It's a really strange bookend to their sort of niche transfer activity. They've just gone, can we sign someone who looked like they should have got relegated with us in 2016-17 and they've gone for Arthur Masawaku who really fits the bill. Where's he from? What nation does he represent? DR Congo. DR Congo. Right, we've got the graphic here and I can see all the flags. So I noticed that Noah Siddiqui is also from DR Congo. So is that a... Keeping him company. Is that one of those? Yeah. Noah Siddiqui's like, I've only come from Belgium. I'm all right. You got any chips? Right, William Humphreys continues the packing your suitcase.

33:20Charlie Eccleshare:He's like picking a squad in football allegory. He says, just finish listening to your holiday packing chat. and I wholeheartedly agree about bringing bench-warming pants, though my own packing harks back to the days of fewer subs. I have an additional comparison. If I return with unused garments, who were very much primed for an appearance on the trip, I feel compelled to ensure they do get a run-out as soon as possible afterwards, perhaps like unused subs getting a thorough cool-down on the pitch post-game, or possibly having a run-out in the under-21s midweek. I hope this gets the curly finger on the next pod.

33:48Charlie Eccleshare:This is bang on, Dave. If you come back with some fresh clothes on holiday, they immediately get bumped to the front of the queue to wear straight away when you get back. It is sort of slight. It's almost like new signing territory, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a bonus. I actually literally had that this weekend. I took one extra pair of socks that I needed. Now they're just straight in the drawer, ready. Ready to be unleashed this week. I'm glad this has come back up though, actually, because I was thinking after we spoke about it on the last episode. What I often do is when packing is I'll go through in my head of like, right, I'm going to need this many t-shirts, this many pants, blah, blah, blah.

34:19and I'll kind of get them all, get what I think I need and lay it out on the bed before putting it in the suitcase. But when it comes down to putting it in the suitcase or the bag, sometimes I'll get to a stage where I'll think, hmm, a bit tight on space now. Actually, I think I've got enough. And then one T-shirt that was slated to get on the plane doesn't make the cut and he has to stay at home. Oh, wow, departure lounge. Yeah. Trashes your room when you leave.

34:41Charlie Eccleshare:Yeah, sorry, Jermaine Defoe. We don't need you. Charlie, some listeners are gasped at me coming back from my week-long holiday with seven clean pairs of pants that I didn't use. I admit that that is excessive, but there was an excessive preoccupation with the idea of me shitting myself, and it wasn't about that. It was about refreshing myself midway through each day. Don't worry about that aspect of it. I haven't shit myself on a lay since at least 2001, definitely. So I don't really know what the obsession was, but I don't want people to think about it anymore. I do think, though, as well, that as much as, yes, they are then top of the queue, but there is some, they're not, it's not like they're totally unused by going away and being unused subs.

35:16You know, they get ruffled and crumpled, and, you know, they're not completely fresh. They're still top, but it's not the same as them being left at home and having like a complete time off. Then they're fully recharged. They don't have any sort of, I've been in a bag for a week, sort of hangover vibe to them.

35:32Charlie Eccleshare:Still good around the suitcase though. Yeah, you want them around the place, but. Right, this is from an athletic piece on the PGML's ref training camp in Alicante. And Andy Madley was speaking to the athletics, Adam Leventhal, and he says, referees have been experimenting with different techniques to help fans watching from a distance at big stadiums we're even looking at the technical aspects of is it worth giving a little wave at the of the hand each time we count down the seconds when the goalkeepers got a ball in their hands i love this level of detail going into their thinking charlie so they're already wrestling with this whole kind of counting down the last five seconds of the eights that the goalkeeper has when they have their hands but now they're thinking about fans at the other end of the same you don't know what's going on they can't see the individual fingers this is class so that will be That will be easier to spot than the seconds.

36:19Charlie Eccleshare:Because if you're 50 yards away, you won't be able to see the last three digits or whatever. If they start waving their hand a bit, but then the goalkeeper might not be able to see the individual digits when they're waving their hand. It's fraught with danger. Yeah, I don't know. Tricky. Tricky this. Will they be doing it in the VAR booth as well? What happened to the idea of going down the clock face with the arm? I know. That was brilliant. I genuinely think they've rejected it because it was too ridiculous. Because we laughed at it on the pod, the idea of them doing it. I mean, visually, it's great.

36:48Charlie Eccleshare:But do you remember when Robin Van Persie got sent off at the Nou Camp, second yellow, for shooting after the referee had blown his whistle? And then he ran over to the referee pointing at his ear, saying, I didn't hear it. We can have goalkeepers running over to referees when they've been penalised for holding onto the ball too long because they couldn't see the waggling digits. Didn't see it. Couldn't see it. They were just waving. The fans don't need to really be considered here, do they? The most important thing is the goalkeeper sees. and then the fans they'll work it out yeah I know they'll be able to see what's happened if the goalkeeper gets penalised with the ball on his hands goalkeeper's running scared PJ O'Meara running scared from angry fans who don't know what's going on in stadiums by the way Charlie can you imagine a greater concentration of smartish polo shirts than around 8pm or after a day at a referee training camp in Alicante yeah I'm trying to picture the shorts as well I think it would it would be shorts wouldn't it yeah beige beige smart-ish those Chino shorts yeah absolutely no socks sort of espadrilles maybe or a few sandals maybe yeah would it be sandals I don't know smart white trainers dress trainers perhaps I think just out for one or two beers nothing more Howard said we could go out tucked in as well I think yeah well some might have them out in that kind of it's tricky to imagine that level of detail but you're bang on right a new Lionel Messi statistic has dropped this is from Reddit Lionel Messi has played 37 group stages for club and country and reached the next round in each of the 37.

38:17Charlie Eccleshare:I don't know whether to be impressed by that or not. It's not even really his doing, is it? How does that sound? I mean, it basically says he has played for very good teams in his career, which isn't a massive revelation, I have to say. No, which club in which season would have been the hardest task to get out of a group stage? I can't even think. Did Barcelona have a, when they were towards the end, when they were struggling a little bit more when he had to leave? I more would have thought the latter part of his career, like now. Well, I suppose the Club World Cup just gone. Yeah. They got through, didn't they?

38:48Yeah, they got through and then went out. Well, they must have, otherwise his statistic would be invalid.

38:53Charlie Eccleshare:Yeah, I mean, the reason it's relevant, Charlie, is because Inter Miami have progressed to the knockout stages of the 2025 Leagues Cup. That is the cup competition between MLS clubs and the top flight clubs from Mexico. And the league phase is utterly absurd. It's Swiss style. There's 18 teams in two divisions and they play three games to get four teams through. Oh my gosh. So basically everyone's going through on goal differences. It's fucking ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. Oh, so all the Mexican teams are in one league and then all the American teams are in another league. Yeah. And the top four from both 18 team groups go through after three games.

39:33Charlie Eccleshare:Look at it. What is the point? There has to be a better way of doing things than that. Imagine the draw as well. It must take a while. The permutations must be mad. it'd be minute by minute good luck doing anyone doing the permutations for that the live blogging anyway fair play to messi yeah that reminds me actually of something that happened still got it to me the other day so i was i was out for dinner last week and i was chatting to a boyfriend of one of the people who we were out with never met before so we're having some really nice good old get to know each other small talk and he was telling me that he's big f1 fan these days used to like football used to go to west ham in like the 80s but just just genuinely completely disengaged from football at some point and he seemed like he really used to know really well knew everything about like the 80s and early 90s but just like nothing about today which is quite a rare thing really you think you sort of retain some peripheral knowledge but he didn't have anything got on to talking about this and that and then at one stage he was telling me about some people that he that he knows who were like really rich and all lived in monaco and at one stage they played a football game like they obviously paid for access or whatever to some top players and they played this game and he was going yeah you know they played in the stadium in Monaco it was amazing it was like you know and they they had the that guy there one of the one of the players um you know oh what's I think he's Argentinian and and I was trying to fill in the blanks and I was going oh oh who could it be uh um I don't know has it uh I don't know Di Maria or is it uh and he was like no you know the guy he's really good I was oh Messi you know I just didn't I didn't join the dots I was like oh what the best player of all time you mean Messi you got I'm not wrong.

41:03Charlie Eccleshare:You're obviously not Lionel Messi, you prick. I think I'd know if it was Lionel Messi. I couldn't believe that he didn't know who Messi was. How can you just sort of generally know that there's a really good Argentinian but not know it's Messi? Being Argentinian is secondary to being Lionel Messi. That's mad. The Argentine. The little guy. Yeah. The notable Argentine. Wow. Fair play. Right, here's a combined stat for you, Charlie. Bridget Philipson, MP, says, as a result of our attendance push children were in school for five million more days last year the biggest improvement in a decade what are we supposed to do with that yeah that is mad but at least that's that's something you do see quite often because they like to do these sort of totals in politics where they'll give these like big headline figures it's like those reports that say doing x would save y billion pounds from the uk economy a total of i couldn't back any of it up Dave, but some of the replies said, maybe there's just more children.

42:01Charlie Eccleshare:So how can you possibly say? But anyway, I just love how they frame this sort of stuff. Let's finish with this. You may have seen this. This was a recent gem from Nozza, who's taken a break from Keys and Grey Archiving, to demonstrate cricket's vast array of striking verbs. Slashed away. Thumped away. Slashed away. Blicked away. Smeared away. Cracked away. Hammered away. bludgeoned away squeezed away punched away sliced away whipped away angled away slapped away smashed away crunched away swatted away tickled away I love smeared away Dave what a rich sort of family of verbs that is and they're all really sort of subtle.

42:57There's not an obvious difference between any of them. It's really nice and sort of further evidence that cricket is the sort of best and closest companion to the sort of stuff that we like to talk about. I think even if you don't really know your cricket that much, I think you can listen to that list of words and roughly imagine what each shot would look like.

43:13Charlie Eccleshare:Absolutely, yeah. As not a big cricketman, Charlie, I'm both jealous and threatened by how rich corners of the cricket lexicon are. So this leads me to Wickham versus Stockport at the weekend. Wickham pulled a goal back and they tweeted, goal. Mullins draws one back after chiselling the ball past Adai, having been teed up by Lowry. Chiselled in. Dave, we've watched the goal. Does chiselling do it justice? So, to describe the goal, if you haven't seen it, it's kind of like a little reverse pass from Lowry. I think it sort of sits up just a little bit and Mullins, the scorer, he kind of slips sideways.

43:53A firm shot under the keeper from about 10 yards out. And yeah, he's sort of, he's kind of on the way down as he hits it. He's sort of, as if you have, you know, when you see like a player slip for a penalty, it's that same sort of movement, but it's in open play.

44:06Charlie Eccleshare:And it's a scruffy goal, Charlie, but the slipping almost helps the finish. Like it almost characterises the finish. The slip turns it into a kind of lacy style, almost like a scissor kick almost on the ground. It's weird. Yeah, I can see what they're trying to get at because it's like, I was thinking before having seen that, what I was describing, and it's a sort of he prods it, but you want to convey the fact that it does look like a lot of effort has sort of gone into the goal. Like he's falling, he's sort of on the floor. He's having to kind of lever his leg, it looks a little bit. So effort is central to this.

44:38It's been forced home, essentially.

44:40Charlie Eccleshare:Exactly. He's really, it's not like a sort of, he's just kind of caressed it. He's really had to will this goal in and sort of battle for it. So I can see what they're going for with chiselling to convey that. In the context of the goal being scored, Dave, it's quite good because Lowry, who set this goal up, missed a penalty just before that to get them back in the game. And so they're chasing the game. They are truly chasing this. And that little reverse pass from the pocket into the box is essentially the epitome of carving out a chance. He's carved out a chance and then Mullins has chiseled it at home.

45:15They've been chipping away at it, haven't they? Yeah. Yeah. But does it not, just chiselling, does it not bring to mind that word chipping? When I saw this before I'd seen the goal, I thought it might be a sort of downward stabby movement. A dinky kind of finish. That would dink it over. It would be some sort of chip rather than the low shot that we actually get here.

45:35Charlie Eccleshare:I'd love to know the thought process behind chiselling. Wonderful stuff. I enjoyed that. Anyway, speaking of dangerous tools, it's time for keys and grey corner.

45:58Charlie Eccleshare:Ford Super Sunday.

46:03Charlie Eccleshare:Right, they weren't on Community Shield duty for B in sports this weekend, Charlie. Another blow to the prestige of the traditional season curtain raiser, wouldn't you say? Yeah, definitely. Who was? Classic Nicky Crosby and the other guy. Now I can't remember. Aaron Summers, that's right. So, yeah, very much the B team. It's still very capable indeed. But I don't know. I'm starting to think that Keezy has to be back in the UK for a certain number of days a year for tax reasons or something. Like, oh, I can't come back yet. Not yet. Moving on, on Reddit, Charlie0108, Dave, was at the Coventry Building Society Arena and spotted in the Wall of Legends, I don't know what it is, Richard Keezy has his own brick in the wall.

46:44I don't think it's the Wall of Legends, is it? Surely that's where you pay to get your name on the wall. It's not a Hall of Fame. No, it's got a name.

46:51Charlie Eccleshare:Hold on. Hold on. Yeah, so this is the Wall of Fame at what used to be called the Rico Arena. And they installed this in about 2003, I think, when the stadium was being built or close to being built. And Keyes, he got in there. It was£39.99 to have a brick in the wall, Dave. You could pay£5 more for a gold engraving and he didn't go for it. Understated humility from Richard Keyes. Just went for the standard option. The three bricks above him do and the one below him does, but he decided not to. and that's fine. And hence, he actually stands out more than if he'd gone for gold. Sticking outside the box, Charlie.

47:30Charlie Eccleshare:I suspect the people above me and below me will go for gold, so I'll stay pure black. No extra information. Again, just staying quite low-key, Charlie. Speaks for itself. Yeah, yeah. In a roundabout way, actually more egotistic, would you say? Mate, well, also everyone else seems to be with someone. He's just got, he's flying solo. It's like you can't pay for a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, can you? Or maybe you can, I don't know. But it's not Wall of Fame, is it? They shouldn't call it the Wall of Fame. You can't pay 40 quid to get on the Wall of Fame. You're not famous. It's like paying for a Twitter tick, isn't it?

48:07Charlie Eccleshare:Exactly, yeah. You should be able to get more characters on a brick if you pay for it. Ah, Keezy. Yeah, a lovely low-key touch from Mr Richard Keyes. Hope to see you back on our B-in screens very shortly, if you've got NordVPN, that is. Thanks for listening, everybody. Thanks to you, Charlie Eccleshare. Thank you. Thanks to you, David Walker. Thank you. We'll be back on Thursday. See you then.

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