England's Florida scoreboard XI, niche FIFA metrics & watching the World Cup in 4D

9 Jun 2026 · 51 min · 23 chapters

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Football Clichés episode: “England’s Florida scoreboard XI, niche FIFA metrics & watching the World Cup in 4D.” The hosts (Adam Hurry, Nick Miller, James Moore) set a World Cup “soft opening” tone, then riff on England’s penultimate warm-up vs New Zealand in Miami (32°C) and the Raymond James Stadium scoreboard misnaming players. Key claim: the match is footballistically insignificant, but the scoreboard errors become a “scoreboard XI” prompt to speculate careers for names like John Consa, Marcus Stones, Olly Kane, Jed Bellingham, and Jerell Rashford.

Notable examples

Noni Madueke’s “fearless” second-half cameo and the “offers to receive” FIFA power-ranking concept (tracking arm-up requests, etc.). They also discuss FIFA’s new pre-match lineup around the centre circle, kit-color “PDF” bureaucracy, and 4D World Cup screenings in London using scent diffusion (freshly cut grass/popcorn).

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Chapters

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World Cup Warm-Up and Fever

1:46 to 2:54

Discussion on the excitement and anticipation surrounding the World Cup warm-up games.

“Hello everyone and welcome to Football Clichés.”

The Unusual England Scoreboard

2:54 to 4:48

Exploring the humorous mix-up of player names on the England scoreboard during the match against New Zealand.

“I scored over 400 goals and finally retired at the age of 43 after getting on the score sheet alongside my son for my 14th and final club.”

Analyzing Fictional Footballers

4:48 to 7:16

Diving into the imagined careers and backstories of fictitious football players from the scoreboard.

“This is partly tempered by the fact that it's mostly admin-based because I am flying to America at the end of this week.”

World Cup Performance and Clamors

7:16 to 10:48

Debating the performances of certain players and the resulting public clamor for inclusion in the squad.

“I also think the spelling of these is probably wrong as well because Cobby is not going to be spelled K-E-O-B-B-I-E.”

The Significance of Squad Numbers

10:48 to 14:00

Discussion on the significance of squad numbers in football history and its evolution.

Pre-Tournament Friendly Reflections

14:00 to 16:44

Explore the quirks and highlights of pre-tournament friendlies, including unusual team formations and player dynamics.

“Martin Peters, who wore 28 against Ecuador, I believe, in 1970 in a game where Gordon Banks wore number 3.”

Scotland's World Cup Warm-Ups

16:44 to 19:22

Discussion on Scotland's recent friendly matches and the commentary challenges faced during these games.

“nothing really to write home about in the first of those warm-up games nick scotland beat curacao 4-1 at Hampden Park.”

FIFA's Matchday Innovations

19:22 to 21:04

Examination of FIFA's new protocols for matchday squad line-ups and the reactions from fans and commentators.

“I thought he had a really good story about it, but no.”

FIFA's Color Combinations PDF

21:04 to 23:26

A look at FIFA's detailed color combinations PDF for the World Cup and its implications for team kits.

“FIFA's bureaucracy doesn't stop there, James.”

FIFA's Power Rankings and Player Tracking

23:26 to 25:55

Discussion on FIFA's new power rankings system and the tracking of players' contributions during the tournament.

“To accompany the unveiling of this, Nick, was a glossy video featuring Rashmin Chowdhury, Rio Ferdinand and Arsene Wenger acting out some roles as they discover the extent that FIFA are rolling out the power rankings.”
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Zoran Mamdani's Commentary Plans

25:55 to 27:58

Insights into Zoran Mamdani's approach to World Cup commentary and his unique references.

“Anyway, meanwhile, over to New York we go.”

Footballers' Names in Media

28:34 to 29:27

Exploring interesting uses of footballers' names in various media.

“the tiny things that stimulate you or irritate you about the greatest football competition in the world.”

Military-Themed Literature and Football Names

29:27 to 31:28

Discussion on the use of football-related names in a military-themed book.

“Either way, somebody's living out their dream.”

Real Madrid's Presidential Election Controversy

31:28 to 34:11

Analyzing the laughable side of Real Madrid's presidential election antics.

“He says, I thought you might enjoy this paragraph from the Stages review of Beetlejuice the musical.”

Fenerbahçe's Presidential Election Promises

34:11 to 35:51

Discussing Fenerbahçe's presidential elections and their ridiculous promises.

“Michael Alise for£130 million, regardless of whether Bayern want to sell him or not.”

4D World Cup Screenings Experience

35:51 to 37:18

Introducing a unique 4D World Cup viewing experience with scents.

“you're flying out shortly to the United States of America to cover the World Cup for the Athletic.”

Misguided Perceptions of Football Match Atmosphere

37:18 to 39:29

Critique of how 4D experiences fail to capture true football match smells.

“talk sport about this but it is just freshly cut grass and the aroma of freshly cut grass and popcorn things that they could not be clear that whoever thought that up has never been to a football match in their life.”

Ireland's 2002 World Cup Controversy

39:29 to 41:23

Examining Irish fans' fantasies about their chances in the 2002 World Cup.

“But we talked about the propensity for England fans to just rewrite history really casually and say, oh, if we got past Germany at Euro 96, we would have beaten the Czechs, that sort of thing.”

The Evolution of Demonyms in Sports Commentary

41:23 to 42:03

Debating the use of demonyms in sports commentary and their reception.

Discussion on the Greekman

42:03 to 42:45

Exploration of how the term 'Greekman' is evolving in usage.

“The Greek or the Portuguese does just sound so pejorative, doesn't it?”

Keys and Grey Corner Update

42:46 to 44:13

Discussion about the new Piers Morgan and John Terry show and its implications.

“Anyway, speaking of men taking great leaps into the unknown, it's time for Keys and Grey Corner.”

Controversial Tweets from the Great Man

44:14 to 46:33

Analysis of recent controversial tweets regarding Dutch coaches.

Keezy's Jaguar Adventures

46:34 to 48:03

A fun look back at Keezy's history with Jaguars and social media posts.

“Finally, a bit of retro Keezy action for you now.”
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0:30I'm sorry, you can sit there and look and play with all your silly machines as much as you like. Is Gascoigne going to have a crack? He is, you know. Oh, he fell! Brilliant! For G! He's round the goalkeeper, he's done it! Absolutely incredible! He launched himself six feet into the crowd and Kung Fu kicked a supporter who was eye-whip without a shadow of a doubt giving him lip. Oh, I say! It's amazing! He does it time and time and time again. Crank up the music! Charge a glass! This nation is going to dance all night! Imagining the football existences of the incorrectly named England stars of the Miami Stadium scoreboard, our home broadcaster co-commentators warm up nicely for the World Cup.

1:24The greatest PDF in World Cup history. the very specific metrics captured by FIFA's power rankings, footballers' names in scathing reviews of musicals, Real Madrid's presidential election, a.k.a. football news for children, and Richard Keyes' mid-2010s car unveilings. Brought to your ears by Goalhanger Podcasts, this is Football Clichés.

1:50Hello everyone and welcome to Football Clichés. I'm Adam Hurry, this is the Adjudication Panel. Joining me first of all is Nick Miller, winning his 108th cliches cap. You know who that makes you, don't you? No. Who does it make me? Bobby Moore. Kleptomaniac of Columbia, Bobby Moore. I went to Columbia recently and didn't steal a thing, so that's one of the many reasons why Bobby and I are different. Lessons learned. Alongside you for this one, making his 34th cliches appearance, making him Michael Carrick, Jack Wilshire, Adam Lallana, Luke Shaw and Trent Alexander-Arnold, it's James Moore. How are you doing?

2:26Hello, Adam. Welcome to Clichés. I think we can safely call this the first adjudication panel of the World Cup. Can't we, Nick? The World Cup has essentially started in a content sense. I think so. It's a kind of soft opening of the World Cup, given that there is now nothing else happening other than the old kind of preliminary friendlies. So all our eyes have definitely turned to the World Cup by now. Yeah, James, we're the Diana Ross penalty of the Clichés. content rhythm i think today um getting everybody in the mood but not ignoring the wider world as well culturally kind of central but not actually massively relevant exactly exactly a big shout out next to the seven people who immediately got the listeners nord vpn quiz question correct from last week the question was i've scored against england at a world cup but was also involved in a controversial incident at the same tournament i played club football on four different continents and won league titles on three of them.

3:23I scored over 400 goals and finally retired at the age of 43 after getting on the score sheet alongside my son for my 14th and final club. James, do you know the answer? No, I don't. It feels like it should be obvious from those clues, but I don't know who that is. Nick? Yes, I think I do know the answer. Rivaldo, I think. It was Rivaldo. So, yeah, congrats to the twin betweeners, Samrat Dutta, Andy Pompey, George Greenhowell, Joachim Stav, the other listener, Michael Cox, and George Baker for getting that one. I'll never tire of writing those. Quite good fun. The quiz was good fun as well. What a little World Cup teaser that was.

3:59Right. Adjudication panel time. James, my World Cup fever status. I half watched Morocco 1, Norway 1 on ITVX with no commentary and for a bit, no score caption either. You're in pretty deep for like a week out. I kind of primed myself to watch England on a Saturday night. I kind of basically almost built my day around that, which is kind of pathetic when you think about it. And then nine o 'clock rolled around and I just carried on watching murder documentaries on Netflix instead. I didn't even watch it. Oh, wow. I'm kind of off the scale the other way. Bloody hell, that's a blow. That's a blow for everyone concerned.

4:35Nick, did you lay eyes on England at least? I didn't know. Fortunately, I was out. Thanks for listening, everyone. Dave, Charlie, you're out. My World Cup fever sort of status This is partly tempered by the fact that it's mostly admin-based because I am flying to America at the end of this week. So it's taken the edge off it slightly. Yeah, fair enough. Okay, well, on to England's penultimate World Cup warm-up game against New Zealand in the 32-degree heat at the Raymond James Stadium in Miami. If you think of all those details in totality, James, never has a game promised so little on paper, has it?

5:16That's exactly what you want, though, for a World Cup war, isn't it? You want the kind of iffy conditions and kind of sub-optimal setting. I think that's absolutely perfect. That's the best possible preparation. And against a team who are just going to sit in and defend as well. It's ideal. Yeah, yeah. I mean, so footballistically insignificant was this game, Nick, both before and afterwards, really. One of the most emerging stories of the game was the Raymond James Stadium scoreboard getting all the names of the England players wrong, except for Jordan Pickford in goal, which I thought was good to get that one right.

5:48But can we just run through the rest of the names and decide how and where they would play their football in their careers? Number five, John Consa. John Consa does feel quite, it does feel centre-back-y, but like a place for crew or someone, like a lower league journeyman kind of centre-back. But still gets in a World Cup squad at some point at the age of 29. had a good season with Bolton in like 2002 or something yeah number six James Mark O 'Reilly could be anybody really that's very league one I mean that feels like another one who would maybe get like a kind of rogue call up to like a Northern Ireland squad when they qualify or whatever yeah yeah we'll take the one thing that really strikes me about that name is obviously Nico O 'Reilly I think this is probably well covered ground but it's quite an awkward name to say because of the kind of the double o so if nothing else this has removed that yeah that's good news a couple of first name only situations nick number nine harry and number 16 cobi sound very much like brazilian wonder kids who who get signed really early on by a european sort of bantamweight club but then there's just fade to complete obscurity and ending up in russia yeah the career path on wikipedia is just uh like five loans to a different brazilian clubs back from Villarreal or somewhere.

7:11Outside chance, James, that one of them, if not both, end up as a naturalised citizen of Qatar and play for them at the World Cup. Yeah. I also think the spelling of these is probably wrong as well because Cobby is not going to be spelled K-E-O-B-B-I-E. There'll be a Y in there somewhere. They always change the spelling slightly. Yeah, like Man City, forgotten youngster, Cakey. Right, exactly. Absolutely absurd. Number 11, Marcus Stones, Nick, who sounds like a really high-powered QC. That says to me, like, young defender coming through a big club but doesn't quite make it. Right. So, you know, a sort of solid enough right-back for Liverpool who played like 20 times.

7:55It's a good name. It's a good solid footballing name. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mostly in the League Cup, obviously. Oh, yeah, absolutely, yes. Number 14, James Jordan Gay. That's just his younger brother, isn't it? who is even better no i think it's the younger brother who plays in non-league right i think every other player in non-league is a jordan so i could see that i could see that yeah he plays for at least maybe slit cray wanderers or whatever or he's his agent yeah that's true incredibly qualified to be his agent number 17 nick morgan anderson i thought this was this feels scandy to me this feels like this kind of swedish midfielder okay but with an english mother possibly yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and and like amazes everyone where he's when he speaks in swedish in an interview or something like it number 19 james ollie kane um which unsurprisingly given the portmanteau here is actually quite a strikery name but admittedly only for wrexham that's true i mean i actually think marcus steins morgan anderson and ollie kane do all sound like cricketers to me.

9:01Olly Kane's really crickety, isn't he? You could sneak those names in and I wouldn't have a clue. What kind of role in the England cricket team does Olly Kane play, Nick? Olly Kane's a kind of tall, very fast bowler whose career is kind of crippled by back problems. It's so injury prone. Number 25, James, Jed Bellingham, who I think is a character in EastEnders. He owns the E20. dresses in a suit at all times and he doesn't drink pints, he drinks bottled beer in the Vic. Yeah, unnamed bottled beer every time. I'm sure he's a bit of a character, this guy. I don't see him as being a successful sportsman, that's for sure.

9:44He's one of those people, you know those people who never, they always carry their phones in their hand. They never seem to put their phone in their pocket. Because I think it's designed to say, well, someone could be calling me at any second, so i've got to keep it keep it very uh you know easy access at all times nice uh and finally number 26 jerell rashford member of a really failed boy band that was was was born from a reality tv show yeah yeah he's he's the kind of and then he's the one who inexplicably becomes popular but becomes famous years later for reasons that you can't quite put your finger on okay that was good fun i enjoyed that i'm glad we got we rinsed that story for all it was worth one of the alleged highlights of this game james was the second half performance of rio ungomoa again it's one of those cameos that really wasn't quite as impressive as people are sort of you know retrospectively made out but it was enough to trigger something of a clamor but i don't think it's the strongest clamor in england's major tournament history given that he's basically have to fly home first before the clamor could even begin and i don't see what form this clamor could take because he's not in the squad unless someone gets injured in the next six days or so he's not going to be in the squad um i don't think any clamor could really gather any pace is it not possible there's a clamor for someone to get injured and then him to come in that's not actually far from that nick i can kind of see given the inclusion of people like jordan henderson um you could sort of see that be a bit cruel though because we're not allowed to wish injury on on players that's one of the big no-nos of football there there is enough skepticism about something like you know if noni maduake got injured then people would be there was quite a lot of why is he in the squad so there would be plenty of that in 2026 james do we need a wild card are we past that do we need wild cards it's 26 man squads i suppose that if anything there is more space for wild cards you should be taking four wild cards if anything yeah um more yeah i i know i think i think it definitely is for that reason and i mean i i he is he is kind of almost like perfectly designed for that role as well right he's he's played relatively little football but enough you'd come be fairly confident he wouldn't be overawed he must have played some Champions League football right this season I think so that you'd think kind of stands him in relatively good stead for playing against international opposition and he's the kind of player you know he beats players I think that's the numbers in the Premier League this season were very favorable so he's kind of almost like the perfect player for that really maybe he's is he just a year out is he's unfortunate that he's he's kind of had his breakthrough in the world cup season and not the season before because he's kind of on that trajectory whereby like it feels like in a year's time it'll be really obvious yeah possibly but i feel like that doesn't necessarily harm the clamour because there's there's a recency to it like bursting onto the scene that if anything that feeds the clamour but uh his performance against new zealand in the second half nick was described as fearless which was inevitable for a dribbler a young dribbler in the england team but what was there to fear in this situation you're playing against liberato casaccia well it's kind of freezing to that thing that people say quite a lot i think i can't remember which world cup or which tournament would apply to most but there's like when it's a new broadly new bunch of players who haven't been to a tournament before they say well because they haven't got the fear of failure they don't carry the weight you get you get used to get the story to bring cricket back into this as well but you would get you'll get this when a new-ish group of players will go to australia so they're not they're not of course they're not scarred by uh by previous defeats so this is kind of the the ultimate version of that i suppose do they not read the long reads about it for god's sake they're completely immune from it also england have been good in the last few tournaments they surely should just be maxing out on those players like to get lingard back in not all bad news from kaboa he won't fly home empty-handed james because he goes home with the enviable record in my eyes of wearing the highest squad number ever by an England player 31 is that right when when you think about it that does make sense that it would be the record so he was the 31st player in it because they had five extra players or four wasn't it four extra players I don't know why he's wearing 31 to be honest he smashed the record Nick held by Martin Peters, who wore 28 against Ecuador, I believe, in 1970 in a game where Gordon Banks wore number 3.

14:10What the fuck? Hang on a minute. This was a pre-tournament friendly, presumably, wasn't it? Yeah, exactly. Before the 1970 World Cup. Yeah, they basically wore their training numbers, apparently. Whatever that means. Wow. Yeah. Don't like that at all. Don't like Gordon Banks in 3. It's horrible. But the real highlight of this game was Sam Matavace and Lee Dixon re-establishing their ITV chemistry just days before the tournament begins. The New Zealand national football team known as the All Whites, a nod to the All Blacks who don the famous Rugby Union shirt. The women's team is the White Ferns.

14:47The rest of the New Zealand teams follow a similar sort of name in custom, hockey, the Black Sticks. But when I was looking at this yesterday, the best one for me was the basketball one. the tall blacks yeah yeah good like that I can think of another couple could you? yeah we'll leave it there

15:32all black jersey is very very famous almost sacred in new zealand i think that's why the rest of the sporting teams want to take it on in some guys so they should bloody hell i mean you get the co-commentary a game deserves i guess james but that's that's some serious rustiness there i don't want to speculate on what lee dixon had in mind let's not let's not get into that i mean that is pretty incredible stuff yeah no idea just 22 seconds of silence there nick nowhere close to being any sort of record but uncomfortable enough i would say and sort of helped by the the crowd noise which is exactly the sort of crowd noise i i want from a pre-tournament friendly in the country that the the the world cup is being held yeah i want to make out individual england fan voices at these games yeah yeah exactly right perfectly pitched elsewhere scotland have warmed up for this world cup james with um with four goal thrashings of both curacao and bolivia the bolivia win in particular was was described as a statement win are you having that are you having a statement win i don't know what the altitude was yeah that's true 207 teams in this world cup and if you're not in it you're no good surely so they've beaten a team who aren't at the world cup i mean there's nothing really to write home about in the first of those warm-up games nick scotland beat curacao 4-1 at Hampden Park.

16:5210-man Curacao as well, which what a great, what a great combination of words that is that we're talking about. Again, it appears that the Scottish commentary pairings are a little rusty as well. So all change. And the question is, can Scotland go on and win this match now, James?

17:12I'll tell you when I finish my file, Liam. I was going to, I was going to just let you off there, but you've admitted yourself. Dreadful timing as usual. I thought you saw me eating it there, but yeah, look. Samuel Campbell said this in Nick. He says, James McFadden couldn't answer a question because he was eating at the start of the second half. Is it unreasonable for me to expect him to have had his food when he's off air? Yes. I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect that from our commentators. In a job where the only thing you have to do is talk, it feels like you shouldn't be eating. There's standards to uphold here, isn't there, James?

17:46This is the BBC, for God's sake, James. you're off to the world cup as part of their team you've got to fuck yourself up i'm just kind of struggling to imagine the scenario in which this has come up like uh you know they must bring the food up to them in the gantry or whatever at half time like they're not going down the ladder or whatever they go and get it assume so like i i'm always wondering whether this is a secondary pie situation whether there's like a pie left over and he's thought oh actually you know what i might have the second pie and it's not going to come to me in the first like 90 seconds of the game i can wolf this the first 90 seconds of the second half sorry i can wolf this quickly now and no one will know and the commentator's gone to him straight away and he's knackered there's there's an implication here that this isn't the first time he's done this because the commentator must have known that he was or he must have been vaguely aware that he was eating so is there a sense that the commentator has deliberately thrown to him while he's eating to just to kind of go look you've done this before i'm going to embarrass you on on tv so don't do it again don't pull any of this shit when i'm out of the world cup yeah exactly yeah getting it out of his system yeah there was definitely a hint of that i mean it opens so many cans of worms it reminds me james of the um of the of the sort of story that the half times in scotland are shorter or something yeah something about that scotland scottish half times are like 10 minutes or something which is why they always come back quick earlier on the viddy printer or something like that so maybe James McFadden got caught out by the short Scottish half-time, which I can't believe.

19:18James McFadden, of all people, should be well-versed in that. Being Scottish. And played in Scotland loads, yeah. I thought he had a really good story about it, but no. No, sorry, no. He is Scottish. Other technicalities around kick-offs to get to grips with for this World Cup, Nick. FIFA have announced that before each game, the entire matchday squad will line up around the centre circle before the national anthems are played. in a bit like if there's going to be a minute's silence for someone who's died. Now, there was an immediate backlash to this. A lot of people saying, you're messing with tradition, such as it is.

19:50FIFA's rationale for this was that everyone in the stadium could have a 360-degree view of events. And now I think about it, yeah, that kind of makes sense. Normally, they line up facing a big stand. And so the other three sides of the ground are like, well, can't see you, this is rubbish. Maybe this is a more aesthetically pleasing way of doing things. These are sort of things that bring out the kind of very, very small amount of games gone in me. It's just more faff. Why do we need more faff? What else is this achieving other than creating more faff? It's allegedly also to represent unity and things like that.

20:22But do we need the subs, James? Do we need the subs there? I think if you're going to do this anywhere, the World Cup is the place, right? That's almost a kind of acceptable face of faff. The pageantry and the nonsense and the music, the FIFA anthem, which is obviously the best bit of music ever written, as we all know. I think that's kind of fine in the World Cup but if it's if it kind of is then you know trickling down into the Champions League and we're getting it in Champions League group stage match day four between Paphos and Carrot whatever they're called that's probably going to be a bit much and then obviously it ends up in the Premier League and the Football League and whatever and it's just you know it loses all meaning but I kind of feel like in the World Cup you can amp up the World Cup I kind of think that's all right.

21:02I mean there were fears Nick that the players are going to be individually announced by the pa announcer as they came out um which which really would have slowed down the group stage i sense i think we would have lost our minds a little bit by by late june so hang on but both squads are all going to be around the center circle yeah is there going to be enough room i mean this this could be a lead to some kind of awkward jostling situation i've got no graphical sort of guide in front of me nick but if you think of a classic minute silence where they're all sort of arms around each other just the starting 11 they normally only take up about a third of their own portion of the center circle so you can probably fit three starting lineups on each half so you can get six in at 66 players that's more than enough with a 26 man squad so i think it'll be okay space to breathe as well might have to do a bit of scooching you know if you're not willing to do a bit of scooching at a world cup in a way there that's true are we having the whole officiating team uh in there yeah where do they go exactly because everyone's going to want to see them in 360 degrees as well.

22:02FIFA's bureaucracy doesn't stop there, James. They've released the greatest PDF of all time, which is confirmation of all the colour combinations for all the group stage games, just so we know in advance what colour everybody's going to be wearing. But it doesn't just stop there. It tells you what the referee's going to be wearing, what the ball kids are going to be wearing. That's useful to know. Good to know there's no clashes there. And what colour the substitute bibs are going to be. What a PDF! That's right up your street there, isn't it? I'd seen the kits the two teams are wearing, and I had noticed there are too many teams wearing white in this tournament.

22:37And I say this as a proud Englishman. Right. But just from kind of glancing at that document, you can see it's like, I guess, white has kind of become the kind of default away kit colour, maybe. Isn't there some kind of legislation over having multiple colours in your kits? I think people have kind of reverted just to having white. but it does seem like more or less every game has a team with a white kit i just wonder whether that it's not really wild copy a white kit to me south africa have drawn the short straw in the opening game nick because they have they will be their substitutes will be donning the unlucky maroon bibs i'm afraid so they're doomed i was sent this uh pdf on friday when uh i should definitely been busy doing other things and it swallowed an hour of my time glory that's great i just love the completism of it all but uh fifa aren't just stopping there james powered by saudi giants aramco uh they're going to be running the fifa power rankings during the during the tournament which is going to be individually ranking players on various individual contributions during a game and presumably the teams as well um my first thought james was other companies are already doing this just just get who scored in i don't care because they'd be rating the players out of 10 as well like who scored do this already their website is a little bit tin pot but it is still quite usable just do that yeah people still use it uh my first thought is there is it not very similar to the capello index the infamous capello index of 2010 that was basically the gist of that whole thing right yeah kind of writing players and boiling it down to one number i'm sorry barbara it's the Capello Index.

24:13I'm really sorry. To accompany the unveiling of this, Nick, was a glossy video featuring Rashmin Chowdhury, Rio Ferdinand and Arsene Wenger acting out some roles as they discover the extent that FIFA are rolling out the power rankings. And amidst all this, Wenger was reassuring them that they are going to be tracking every single thing that a player does. And there's a video of Julian Alvarez playing for Argentina with his arm up as he runs, like asking for a pass. and they're going to track what they have declared as offers to receive. Please be true. I really hope it isn't just some sort of joke in the video, but we used to call that calling for the ball.

24:53Offers to receive is sensational. That reads like kind of legalese in some kind of contract that you are obliged to read, like a mortgage agreement or something. Who is going to be topping this particular ranking if it is indeed real, James? Who's going to be topping the offer? Jordan Henderson's a good pointer, but does that count as offering to receive? I don't think so. It feels like it's going to be the centre forward in a team who kind of have a lot of the ball, a lot of possession, kind of overplay and don't ever give the ball to the centre forward. I'm not sure who that would be in this tournament.

25:23But you know what I mean? There'll be someone who'll kind of plaintively be kind of constantly with their arm up, waiting for the ball and never getting it. I want to know who's going to finish top of that ranking, Nick, to be honest. I don't want to be too obvious here, but surely it's Ronaldo who kind of, that followed by the kind of flappy arm thing as his teammate chooses a much more sensible pass. but he kind of rages at the misfortune that he has to share a space with these lowly slugs who refuse to pass the ball to him at every possible opportunity. I'm not saying that these rankings won't be objected, but I suspect the Saudi-backed Aramco power rankings might be quite kind to Ronaldo in that respect.

25:57Anyway, meanwhile, over to New York we go. That man Zoran Mamdani is at it again as he addresses his citizens ahead of the World Cup. Throughout the World Cup, I will be sure to provide New Yorkers with constant communication Before every match, we will share updates with New Yorkers on the news, on social media, and wherever else they get their information. I will close with this. Mario Balotelli, one of the greatest strikers in recent memory, once said about his muted goal celebrations. When I score, I don't celebrate because I'm only doing my job. When a postman delivers letters, does he celebrate?

26:31When New York City puts on a World Cup that is organized, that is safe, that runs smoothly and easily, will we celebrate? No, because we are only doing our job. A reasonable reference there, Nick. I don't mind it. It came out of nowhere, I'll be honest. The blank faces on everyone around him, not even kind of even pretending to react or not even a sort of like a token little laugh at the kind of offbeat reference. A sign that he may have flogged this horse a little bit. Yeah, do you think he's gone too early with this stuff, James? He's got five, six weeks to fill. I don't know how visible and how prominent he'll be during the World Cup, but he's got some more references.

27:10Maybe he needs some more international football references. Maybe he's gone a bit prem recently, isn't he? Yeah, he's a bit, yeah. Is he too Barclays coded? Does he need to kind of broaden out into the World Cup of yore? My real thought on that quote, have you checked that it's a real quote? Yeah, yeah. I'm not sure of the exact provenance. It either sounds like something you'd see on some lame Instagram account or whatever. I've heard of it before, but I'm not sure. But yeah, we'll be keeping eyes on Mamdani and our ears as well. That's it for part one. We'll be back very shortly with more adjudication panel.

27:58This is the World Cup adjudication panel. We have decided the first of the tournament. a reminder that you can sign up for dreamland where you'll find the first part of our world cup double header out now and the second installment is dropping this week you can sign up at dreamland dot football cliches dot com for 5.99 a month you'll get ad-free listening of all of our episodes plus two episodes a month of dreamland uh access to the premium section of the happy hunting grounds quiz and all sorts of other things as well this thursday's episode by the way is going to be the listeners, World Cup Mesut Haaland Dix.

28:33We would like to hear your specifically World Cup themed fascinations and irritations, the tiny things that stimulate you or irritate you about the greatest football competition in the world. So get in touch with those. A 30 second voice note, DM it to me, send it to footballcliches at gmail.com. Do whatever you like. As the tournament goes on, we'd love to see, love to hear your observations from the tournament as well. So get in touch with whatever you have. Right, footballers' names in things for you now, Nick and James. First one comes from Glyn Jones. He says, episode three of Apple TV's latest space race drama, Star City, is directed by none other than Stefan Schwartz, but not the one banned from Flying to Space by Sunderland.

29:15Lovely bits of symmetry there, Nick Miller. Wonderful stuff. Are we sure that this is the real, that that's the person's real name and it's not just kind of very, very niche inside joke? Could be. Either way, somebody's living out their dream. on some level so i like it um next up this came from simon miles james and we're all familiar with the reacher series of novels and their prolific use of aston villa surnames this appears to be a lesser publication it's called lethal target and it's by a guy called dan stone which is just like the name you would make up if you had to think of someone who wrote a military themed book apologies for everyone involved but anyway here are a selection of names involved in Lethal Target by Dan Stone.

30:01Fowler led seven operators across the heavy field, four of his trusted team plus the three newer bodies, Nketiah, Anderson and Nolan. He knew five of them, Barnes, McCann, Hendry, Cole and Krasinski. All excellent operators. Fowler placed his hand on Barnes' shoulder. Remember all the shit we have been through together over the years and I'll help you get out. I promise. But first, we have to put Kane in the ground. Absolute scattergun approach to this, James. I don't know who Krasinski is in a footballing sense, but the others really just be randomly selected. Is the guy who has like a stake in West Ham, not Krasinski?

30:43I think that's his name, isn't it? I mean, that seems like that's not in keeping with the rest of those names. It's not, and I can't be bothered to look it up. It would be a very, very left field shout. But I just get the sense, Nick, that if the Reacher novels have done this already, nobody else should be doing it they're laying it on a little bit too thick but I suppose you've got to get the names from somewhere right? You know how some people while they're working can watch things or have something on TV in the background or something like that it just feels like this is just a series of Premier League years episodes that have been added on in the background oh yeah Barnes that'll do, yeah excellent the shit that Barnes and Valor have been through together i.e.

31:202-4-3 wins over Newcastle where are Russian Collymore? Yeah, good names, good names, good operators. Fergus Morgan writes in next. He says, I thought you might enjoy this paragraph from the Stages review of Beetlejuice the musical. It says, nor does the show deliver on spectacle. Peter Negreini's video largely settles for storybook gnarled tree branches and cartoonish swirls. And the puppetry, designed by Michael Curry and featuring a giant sandworm and a cavorting roast pig, among others, would be substantially put to shame by most big budget pantos. some scenes are even played bargain basement style in front of a cloth and conor gallagher's choreography is dismayingly tame an amalgam of basic vaudevillian moves that never stands a chance of taking us to another dimension did not see that coming scathing i'm certainly not going to go and see beat reduce the musical now certainly not in the next six weeks i've heard some pretty pretty scathing criticism of conor gallagher in the last couple of months about i've proffered some myself uh but that is that is next level stuff i want you to try and get uh the words an amalgam of basic vaudevillian moves into the next spurs match report please could be done yes elsewhere yet another absolutely pathetic real madrid election nick like i mean this feels like a sideshow that football really doesn't need and there is something really childish about it Are you with me on this?

32:43Yeah, because the term wasn't up or anything. It was just Perez just kind of going, just flexing, really. Yes! I'm going to call an election. Don't need to. I'm going to win. And some kind of worm is going to debase himself by promising that he's going to sign Erling Haaland and he's going to get Jurgen Klopp in his manager when he doesn't know neither of them are going to happen. and he's just going to look like a tit. Yeah, I mean, James, to a certain extent, I do respect the fact that there are a few clubs out there who are member-owned and they go through this rigmarole every few years. There's only four left in Spain.

33:22I was surprised when I thought more clubs did this. So just to give you the details of this, the absolutely not made-up 37-year-old renewable energy entrepreneur Enrique Riquelme was his competitor in this race. And he said he'd hire Jurgen Klopp as manager if he got elected. having previously said he'd signed Erling Haaland to Man City's huge annoyance. He inevitably ended up losing to up-and-coming presidential talent Florentino Perez who promised to sign a mystery player he described as a total Galactico adding some tantalising details that they did not play in the Premier League and they were not a defender or a goalkeeper.

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33:58This is genuinely pathetic. It's like clickbait in actual football. I'm not going to say I find it depressing because it is still quite entertaining but it's pathetic. Have we well told who it is? I mean, I need to know who that is now. Have we got like a kind of... It's Michael Alise. Michael Alise for£130 million, regardless of whether Bayern want to sell him or not. Yeah, forget that. Trifling details. Yeah, that is... That's made that fun for me, actually. I'm into that. I quite like it. I'm kind of, I think, more... Club presidents and chairmen should speak in this kind of veiled way. Didn't need it in mid-June.

34:34Didn't need it at all. Know your place, clubs. There are more sort of tin pot iterations of this elsewhere nick um fenobache were having their presidential elections as well and candidate aziz yildirim uh promised to sign fan cities nathan ake if he wins admittedly it's really fenobache i'm on board with that so he's very much you know he he's in the spirit of his own football club but what a promise that is well this guy has been fenobache president before so maybe he's going for the heritage kind of heritage element of it look right you've got a group of people in a room so what's the most feno batches on you can think of and we're going to use that as our headline to really to to convince people that we are the right custodians here nathan okay brilliant well he's won he's won the election so he's gonna have to sign nathan ake now whether nathan ake likes it or not but thank god james we don't have this pantomime in our league can you imagine could our news cycle could our army of chief football correspondents handle you know several presidential elections in the Premier League every four to five years.

35:35I like it. I mean, it is complete bluster and nonsense. But, you know, I think these people should kind of be answerable to the baying masses of idiots, if only to make themselves a bit more stupid. I don't think we've got space or oxygen left for it, personally. Nick, as you hinted right at the top of this episode, you're flying out shortly to the United States of America to cover the World Cup for the Athletic. And good luck to you. Hope you have a great time. The rest of us will be sat at home trying to watch it on TV. But there are other options available, James. This came from Job, who alerted me towards an event or a series of events at Freight Brixton, because they're going to be hosting some of the capital's first 4D World Cup screenings.

36:17And what's 4D, you ask? Well, the 1 ,000 capacity venue will be transformed by cutting edge scent diffusion technology, which will be misting, misting the aroma of freshly cut grass and popcorn across the crowds. That sounds shit! That is atrocious. That is so bad. Can I just say, the listeners won't see this, but in the press release, the words cutting edge are in inverted commas. So it's actually shithole technology they're using to do this. They don't even believe it themselves. But yes, Nick, when combined with the seriously high-spec sound systems, next level lighting rigs and stunning screens that london's foremost music venues have to offer the result is the closest thing the closest thing to being there without the hassle of a long-haul flight the free screenings will also include djs playing a mix of 90s dance brit pop classics and sing-along ballads i bet you're gutted you're going to the us now aren't you that is only a short bus ride away from where i live as well so that's a that's a dreadful pity it's just i mean I don't want to be too talk sport about this but it is just freshly cut grass and the aroma of freshly cut grass and popcorn things that they could not be clear that whoever thought that up has never been to a football match in their life.

37:32Football matches don't smell of freshly cut grass and popcorn it's just someone sitting in a room going they play football on grass don't they so it probably smells of grass what do people eat when they watch things popcorn there you go mist in the smell they couldn't really make it smell like Preston Steyl Lager could they that's the thing well they should have done this is Keir Starmer's favourite World Cup venue isn't it the smell of freshly cut grass he'll be down there I presume he's not busy this summer but yeah I don't want to slack it off anymore maybe it is good but fair play to anyone going down there let's move on this game from Cartman 1978 some GAA hurling action for you now Carlo got off to a flying start with an early goal in the Joe McDonagh Cup final after the leash goalkeeper parried an effort straight to James Doyle Here is pundit Anthony Daly describing that situation.

38:20No one rightly won't want to see this. It won't be in these highlights reel. Should have caught it really. Dropped it, fumbled it on James Dyle. We pointed him out as well. It's been very important. He's caught two man's land there with maybe the slippy ball. Nick, your reaction is entirely proportionate because that is the best mangled cliche I've ever heard. Caught in two man's land. That's a probably quite decent place to be. Just enough company. That's fine. a couple of pounds out for a drink or whatever it was literally the case there were two men in front of him do you think the number of men in attendance in that parried shot situation james contributed to the two man's land situation yeah i guess so i mean they're also quite interested in this slippy ball situation that he's mentioned as well i that seems uh perplexing too yeah that's your job mate you gotta catch it think about it um anyway i'm glad you both enjoyed it i hope the listeners did too because i had to pay 15 euros to get this clip i nearly accidentally signed up to lifetime membership of GAA Plus.

39:16And that is what I do for you. Don't mind it. Don't mind any form of GAA personally. I would watch it, but I don't have the time. Now, I can't remember in the recent flurry of content, Nick, whether we discussed this on a recent Clichés pod or on a Dreamland episode, I think the latter. But we talked about the propensity for England fans to just rewrite history really casually and say, oh, if we got past Germany at Euro 96, we would have beaten the Czechs, that sort of thing. Or if we hadn't been beaten by Germany on penalties at Italian 90, James, we would have gone on to beat that Argentina team and win the World Cup.

39:47So, and we're quite well-versed with that. It's quite common fan behaviour to kind of just gloss over history and just assume that you would have got the points and the games and the wins that you needed. But how about this? It's a reply to a tweet from Miguel Delaney about Roy Keane's influence on Ireland's qualification campaign in 2002. And the reply says, let's imagine Keane had played at that World Cup. We would have got past that poor Spain team. We would have beaten South Korea in the quarterfinals. we would have beaten germany in the semi-finals and brazil in the final who knows biggest opportunity missed in the history of irish sport love the who knows that was the part where he thought maybe i'm testing the boundaries of reality here who knows if we could sort of factually assess it james we would got past the poor spain team okay interesting that you know still a big nation but you know before their real golden era we would have beaten south korea in the quarterfinals not not with any of the referees around you wouldn't um we would be in germany in the semis well they were they supposed they did get a result against them earlier in the competition so i don't mind that but brazil in the final i mean yeah i suppose it is a coin toss in the end isn't it yeah i mean you seem to be suggesting that's pretty accurate my memory of that tournament is that ireland won one game out of four roy keane obviously a brilliant player but i'm not sure that's going to kind of sustain you through like an extra four wins in a in a tournament scenario who is he scoring the glancing header past and then then putting in a heroic performance after picking up a yellow card.

41:09Guess the Germans in the semis. Setting aside the almost fanfic nature of this, Nick, the deluded timeline, the concept of Ireland winning the 2002 World Cup is so romantic to me. I think I would swap it for any England World Cup win. Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean, the way that Irish football people talk about single wins in tournaments that, you know, were ultimately kind of slightly futile, it's very kind of, not saying they're not being all celebration police about this but how they would cope with actually winning the thing would i mean jesus christ the mind boggles um but yeah let that guy enjoy his fantasy this came from mark jenkin next first we had glenn murray doing this now we've got this beware co-commentators bearing attempted demonyms for the hellenic republic as miltiardis tentoglu goes in the long jump at the diamond league in rome a tentoglu bit of a return to form in shanghai for the greekman jumped really well there how is greekman catching on nick i can't believe this superb yeah a huge fan of this excellent um maybe we just have to accept james that saying the greek is awkward it's not as awkward as the portuguese um but it is on it's on the way and maybe greekman is going to be the de facto So, replacement for this.

42:29The Greek or the Portuguese does just sound so pejorative, doesn't it? So, actually, I quite like that. That does work. The Greekman, it just sounds a bit more gentle. The Greekman. It does roll off the tongue. It's got a nice rhythm to it, but I just can't believe we've seen it twice in such quick succession across two sports. Anyway, speaking of men taking great leaps into the unknown, it's time for Keys and Grey Corner.

43:04Ford Super Sunday. Big fears across the next six weeks, Nick, that we're going to have to rebrand Keys and Grey Corner, as they presumably go quite quiet, into Piers Morgan and John Terry Corner, because they are partnering for World Cup Uncensored, the latest show on Piers Morgan's content universe, alongside Simon Jordan. what a trio it's gonna be gold dust for us at least right yeah i mean i'm slightly sighing because i in in the all the world cup preview content and all the kind of launches of various things i'd miss this so this is the this is how i'm finding out that this exists um do you think that this might be the most strident world cup content available during the net during the tournament james i'm genuinely quite intrigued by it i mean i don't like calling it world cup uncensored i'm not sure what it is that these three guys two of whom have never been to a world cup in any official capacity uh i i're gonna be able to offer and then what don terry is going to be saying about world cups we'll have to wait and see it basically gives me about a week nick to work on the best impression of the three and and select the voice my simon jordan worked well in private but i'm not ready to unleash it upon the listenership just yet it's a very specific rhythm Piers Morgan probably easier John Terry sort of a weirdly softly spoken bloke for the kind of things that he represents so he's a mystery to me are they gonna he's so softly spoken but that you have to think they're gonna ask him to ramp it up a little bit what whilst giving his big uncensored opinions definitely he might have to sort of come out of his shell a little bit in the same way that many other ex-players have done in their broadcasting careers but yeah we're going to be paying a lot of attention to this podcast uh but back to the great man though james um a flurry of tweets in the last week or so since he's been on holiday on a lovely little island off the coast of montenegro i believe um first up he tweeted liverpool have chosen well areola is the man to bring back rick and roll football what is rick and roll football has he literally just like clicked uh rick astley link like it's like 2006 or something and then that's it i mean he does feel like if anyone's going to be susceptible for that in the year 2026 it's him the thing is nick you don't want your teams to play rick and roll football because they'll never run around and they won't hurt you that's that's the opposite that's the opposite of clop football isn't it that's good i i can't i don't like that i found that funny but yes that's good yeah needed to be done um next up a completely almost aimless scattergun tweet of of of bitterness nick where he says name me a dutch coach who's had sustained success in the english game sustained being the key who's built something and not piggybacked someone else's project who's he is he talking about slot yeah yeah but but then then having a go at the entire dutch coaching system at the same time is it is it without basis i don't know probably well it's a classic thing of like he's he's thought of he's thought of a thing he's got it in for Dutch coaches for some reason.

46:10Then he's narrowed the parameters so much that it then becomes kind of impossible to argue the point. So someone says, well, Dutch coach won the league. Ah, but he was definitely piggybacking on someone else's project, so he doesn't count. James, it just seems like a really strange agenda to launch just before a World Cup. It's like, give it up, mate. There's other things to focus on. There must be some historical beef with another Dutch manager. It can't just be Slott. Has he fallen out with Ruud Hullit or someone like that, maybe? No, he's big mates with Ruud Hullit. Well, there you go. Must be someone else.

46:39Eric, 10 months, I guess. Finally, a bit of retro Keezy action for you now. This came from Michael Hudson, who refreshed my memory, Nick, of Keezy in his mid-2010s days, just a couple of years post-Sky dismissal, of grey, not him. He resigned. Picking up his new Jaguar in September 2013, and he tweeted, Just picked up this little baby. Need wheels when I'm back in London. Beautiful. Jaguar have done it again. What a way to pick up your car. That is class. The photograph accompanying it is sensational as well. Exactly what you want from those words. Yes, Jaguar dealer Guy Salmon. How happy was he that he got the name of the dealer in the background on that photo?

47:19Guy Salmon. I guess I felt the same when I picked up my new Nissan Qashqai recently. So I should have tweeted something similar. Barely two years later, he upgraded James and tweeted, I've only gone and done it again. Can't resist a Jaguar. Thanks to everybody at Guy Salmon as ever. What percentage discount do you think he's getting from Guy Salmon here? Because, I mean, there's no way there's not, like, some involvement there. The sign fully shot in the background on the Vito as well. Yeah, probably not quite the discount he would have had a few years previously, or even now. But, yeah, I'm not sure.

47:53I don't know what his reputational damage to Guy Salmon Jaguar's dealership would have been back then. I don't know what keys he's driving these days. Grey seems to be driving around everywhere. So, wait to see what his next motor is. hope he returns to the guy salmon well one more time a tremendous pre-world cup adjudication panel that was thanks to you nick miller thank you thanks to you james moore thank you thanks to everyone for listening we'll be back on thursday with the listeners world cup mesut harlan dicks get in touch

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Adam Hurrey is joined on the Adjudication Panel by Nick Miller and James Maw. On the agenda: the BBC's co-commentators show some pre-tournament rustiness, FIFA's new plan for pre-kick-off team lineups, the greatest PDF in World Cup history, footballers' names in scathing reviews of West End musicals, the pathetic carry-on of the Real Madrid presidential election, a potentially terrible "4D World Cup viewing experience", a superbly mangled cliche by a hurling pundit and some provisional thoughts on Piers Morgan's World Cup YouTube show.

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