The BBC/ITV truce, World Cup life-bursting & Tina Turner's spot-kick record

17:23Yeah, that's true.

17:24Charlie Eccleshare:It's so hard to bend down. I think we'll have to do a whole Dreamland on Simon Jordan at some point, to be honest. There are so many little quirks about him. I sort of try and work out what his sort of recurring kind of tics are. He's actually quite a fascinating character. His cadence, the way he talks, is absolutely fascinating. I will dig more into him as the tournament goes on. But as became apparent on day one, James, the Azteca. absolutely unreal like the best thing about this world cup i didn't think i would be so blown away by it on tv but it is astonishing it's great to look at yeah there's there is something visually quite unique about it based purely just on the scale of it it just feels like when you're watching on tv it's just so huge in every direction that like yeah it feels like a completely different kind of arena to you know the big grounds in europe and that's kind of i know there's been a lot of chat about like this should be where the final is but that does kind of that's kind of track for me it does kind of feel it is the obvious choice like the fact it hasn't been re-skinned in the way that like uh the Bernabeu has for example it's still got the sort of old fashion kind of concrete exterior even though they've renovated the the inside conversely charlie the met live stadium in in new jersey it looked really tin pot on tv for what's going to be the world cup final venue it looked it didn't even look group stage worthy it looked like at best it could host the final of the Copa Libertadores.

18:43Charlie Eccleshare:If anything, weirdly, it's too intimate. Everything's too close to the pitch because obviously they've had to basically carve out space for a football pitch to remove some seats. And it just looks too crowded. A World Cup final venue should have scale and space to a certain extent.

18:58James Maw:Yeah, I mean, they're two extremes because the last World Cup final in the US was obviously so open and like we talked about, it just looks so weird aesthetically now.

19:05Charlie Eccleshare:I said, Dave, that Simon Jordan really shouldn't be the bellwether for people's football discourse. I'll tell you what I trust. I trust the up and down thumbs on the BBC live text. So when they said that Gianni Infantino said the Azteca Stadium was a cathedral of football, it got 224 down thumbs to 17 up thumbs. Now, do you think the Infantino factor was weighing in on this, or do you think people are completely deluded about the grandeur of the Azteca Stadium? I think it's probably the former. OK, good to know. Thoroughly enjoyed Mexico versus South Africa as an opening game, but as noted by Johnny Singer and Giles Scary, the Mexicans were getting a little complacent right from the very get-go.

19:42Bigger than anything that's gone before. The 23rd FIFA Men's World Cup is finally underway. The first of 104 games which should keep us gainfully occupied for the next five and a half weeks. And it's Mexico and South Africa, as in 2010, who have the honour of setting the tone.

20:08Mexico enjoying an early feel of the ball. Vontaze, their statuesque central defender who plays in Russia for Lokomotiv Moscow.

20:16Charlie Eccleshare:Now, Charlie, I know they probably invented this lark, but you can't be doing this with your first string of passes in a World Cup, can you?

20:23James Maw:It's like a glitch on a computer game where this was meant to happen at the end of the game when they were 2-0 up with an extra man. And that's like totally acceptable conditions. But you can't do it at the beginning of the game.

20:32Charlie Eccleshare:mind you Dave this is perhaps the first attempt at an experiment I've always wanted to be held which is what if a team just started oleying or a team's fans started oleying straight away would they ever give the ball away and then go on to win match comfortably so uh not bad it did well it did definitely give the game something of a different atmosphere to kick off with probably a little bit off-putting or maybe even intimidating for the South Africans but is this similar to the

20:54James Maw:Mexicans doing a Mexican wave I know what you mean I did have that thought as to as to whether this is something that's kind of commonplace and done in a slightly different way yeah maybe it just

21:04Charlie Eccleshare:turns out something they don't do at all and it's just been one big complete myth but um the opening goal scorer of this tournament james is julian quinones who also happens to be the absolute textbook group stage eye catcher who turns out to be 29 years old and in this case also playing saudi there's no more deflating feeling than think you've unearthed the gem and it turns out they're 29 years old this happened to me during the career game as well with a guy the guy who's man of the match played i think played a final or someone almost 29 right so exactly exactly the same thing yeah yeah that is quite deflating i did notice i did tweet this what was the phrase the claim for the ball well like the first big controversy on itv was whether or not this guy should have claimed for the ball oh offer to receive offer to receive thank you yeah absolutely yeah our hunt for like the breakout star dave led us to that 18 year old moroccan and everybody leapt on it going oh what a talent he is we are desperate we're desperate for a breakout star at the world cup What is this impulse?

21:58Yeah, because there was the 17-year-old Mexican who didn't start the game in the opening game, who had a lot of attention pre-tournament. And Gamal's too big already. He's already broken out, despite the fact that he's really young. So, yeah, we need something from somewhere.

22:13Charlie Eccleshare:Where's the mystique? One thing we talked about on the World Cup Dreamland episode, Charlie, that we thought was a dying art at the World Cup. Well, just an hour into the tournament, here's John Murray. Quiñones who as we said in the first half plays in Saudi Arabia was the record sale from Mexican club when he was sold by the America club to Alcantara Player X of the Player Y club great to hear in 2026 so glad we can tick it off for another tournament and just about needed there so fair enough are they not Club America though should it not have been the Club America club that would have been great It was a bit confusing, wasn't it?

22:54I was watching Fox's coverage of Germany versus Curacao, and there was a lot of player X plays his football at Club Y for Curacao from Ian Dark on commentary.

23:03Charlie Eccleshare:Nice. It's a lovely construction. I really enjoyed it. If I were to have one aesthetic whinge about this World Cup, James, I was watching South Korea 2, Czech Republic 1, and the high walls of the stadium, all in one colour, very much made it look like an Olympic football game, which is never the look of World Cup once. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I almost felt Dave Luckers should describe it as a pool game. There were empty seats as well.

23:25James Maw:Pool A. The bronze medal match. It's so weird you say that. I can't remember what match it was now, but there was one game that I've watched so far where I remember sitting there thinking, there's something a bit Olympic-y about this.

23:38Charlie Eccleshare:Aesthetically, I don't know what it is, but yeah. Mismash of stadiums for a start. Charlie, Edwin Waugh says the BBC headline after that was Son Heung-min South Korea beat Czech Republic as Group A takes shape. Is it too early for the table to take shape? I don't think it is, especially if the two sort of big guns of a group take on each other or relative big guns. So I think, you know, especially in this World Cup, the first result is a huge shape taker.

24:02James Maw:A third of the way through the group for both those teams. Yeah, yeah, probably is. I mean, especially now, as you say, with the new format, if you win one game, you're almost there. That's the thing. You can't really say take shape after when there's only one round of matches left, can you? the shape it has taken its shape by then hasn't it yeah yeah it's blinking you miss it stuff isn't

24:22Charlie Eccleshare:it shape-taking in in world cup groups um dave you're probably best placed to uh gauge this usa 4 paraguay 1 did the world cup burst into life at that very moment well i think spiritually yes in like a big picture sense yes i think so i think it was a i think there was concerns that maybe the usa would not be you know not be up to it as hosts but so i think there's some a little bit of relief that they are actually better than you think but i was watching it in a bar near central park and there were quite a lot of uh us fans in there but i was getting quite annoyed at how just not into it they were like they were 4-1 up in the opening game of a world cup and they were just sort of kind of murmuring like some the bar i was in put born in the usa on nobody looked up or did anything.

25:10Then they put Sweet Caroline on. Nobody did anything to that.

25:14Charlie Eccleshare:Recording a really half-hearted USA pod in the corner.

25:20Charlie Eccleshare:Between that game and Sweden's thumping of Tunisia, a threshold emerged that needs to be inspected. Balogun again!

25:35Two for him! three for the United States who are in Dreamland to the end of this first half and the first title is given away to Isak has the ball at his feet rolls it to one side Jokeres

25:55Charlie Eccleshare:it's three for Sweden

26:00in Dreamland here in Monterey

26:04Charlie Eccleshare:How do we feel about these Dreamlands, Charlie?

26:06James Maw:I think the first one, 3-0 at half time. If your first game after such a big build-up, you're the host, etc., etc. I think that's all right to be Dreamland. Sweden 3-1, no. It's 3-1. That's not Dreamland. You know, like, yeah, that's two within the realms of the possible. 5-1.

26:25Charlie Eccleshare:Yeah. Then fill your boots at 5-1. It was just on the hour mark, that third goal as well, which, you know, would probably be too late for Dreamland anyway. so the correct construction of the american dreamland there because they were in they were in los angeles if they were in florida it would have had to have been dream world good good from you um let's talk about the other hosts now james canada getting their first ever world cup point with a 1-1 draw against bosnia and the home crowd very much galvanized by the equalizer as described by the bbc steve wilson might be the smallest stadium in this world cup but right now it certainly is 40 ,000 people, certainly more like 60 ,000.

27:07I'm not sure about that ratio, James.

27:09Charlie Eccleshare:I don't think that's an evocative enough ratio for me. Yeah, that's not... I mean, surely you're just going for 80 ,000 or 100 ,000 there. Just go big there. What would be two Premier League grounds of both sides to say 40 ,000 would be what, like Stamford Bridge, maybe? Yeah. Yeah. Or Ellicott Road. or Spurs or West Ham at 60. I mean, I don't think there's a discernible difference there really, is there? They're just making 50 % more noise.

27:36James Maw:Yeah, exactly. Does he have such, I mean, do commentators have such a finely attuned ear that they sort of can work that out and he doesn't want to be hyperbolic. But yeah, I mean, you think, just go like, but you know, it sounds like at least double that or something. But it's very accurate. They should test him. That's a good bit of social content, that. Give him a pair of headphones, play him some crowd noise

27:56Charlie Eccleshare:and get him to guess the stadium capacity. If we don't do it, the commentator's voice will. Finally, I'm reluctant to admit that I got anywhere nearer a mirror live blog of the World Cup, but there I was. And one update described the difference in ages between Julian Nagelsmann at 38 and his opposite number for the Germany Curacao game, Dick Advocat, who's 78. And the title of this entry, Charlie, said, a golf in ages. I'm not having a golf in ages.

28:23James Maw:Should that be a golf? A real golf. I mean because you do talk about well often there's a real golf and experience don't you so I guess it's an extension it does how old are your kids yeah there's a real golf between them actually yes 10 and 2

28:37Charlie Eccleshare:or Dave I've just thank God Nagelsmann's birthday comes first so that you don't get a situation where Avocat gets a year older and it's always threatening to become a chasm their ages but yeah won't have golf in ages lovely start to our World Cup adjudication panel we'll take a very short break see you in part 2

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31:03Charlie Eccleshare:Welcome back to Football Clichés. A reminder that you can sign up for Dreamland. Still enjoy our World Cup double header if you're in a preview-y sort of mood, which you really shouldn't be. We also have a fiendish, and I don't use that word lightly, New England quiz game to play at games.footballcliches.com. You can sign up for just£5.99 a month. You'll get ad-free listening of all of our episodes, plus two episodes a month of Dreamland and other things as well at dreamland.footballcliches.com. A lot has been said this World Cup, Dave, about the commercialisation, the rampant commercialisation of this World Cup.

31:37Charlie Eccleshare:But I didn't expect to see photographs from journalists revealing that the condiments in the press rooms have been covered up. The brand names have been covered up by tape. What an absolutely insane situation. and whose job is that? What's your job? That is mental. I mean, why? In the press room? Why? What's the worst case scenario if you didn't do it? Exactly. I'm going to have a lovely drop of this Heinz tomato ketchup, I think. Well, maybe, look, maybe FIFA are actually quite smart here. Look, if there's one thing these journalists will do is they will take pictures of the food that they're given and we cannot have that.

32:11We've got an official sauce partner.

32:14Charlie Eccleshare:God. Fair play though, Charlie. That is a good array of condiments. They've made life hard for themselves. FIFA never do it the easy way, do they?

32:22James Maw:Well, yeah, good on them for not just sticking to the official partners, to be fair. You know, we give FIFA such a hard time, but good on them for that.

32:28Charlie Eccleshare:Yeah. So, yeah, broadly speaking, James, a lot of the whinging about this World Cup has been its break from general tradition. So to make up for that, here is a quickfire double of pure World Cup tradition on the BBC. There's a lot to like about this Morocco squad, but it just feels like a World Cup once you get that first sight of Brazil. Taking you through the first half, your Commerature team, Alan Shearer and Guy Mowbrink. Rocco with the kickoff as Brazil gets started, which to many with long and starry-eyed World Cup memories means that the World Cup truly has begun. You know, we take a sideways look in predicting this.

33:05Charlie Eccleshare:We sort of sigh at it when it's uttered, but you can't deny it, James. It is a real thing. Yeah, it is definitely a truism, isn't it, as well? It's definitely correct. I definitely felt that when that game came on. And also, I would have missed it if it hadn't been set, crucially. Yeah, because that would have meant Brazil's star had fallen a little bit, Dave. We don't want that. But it's a really superficial thing, because it is just about Brazil coming out wearing yellow, isn't it? Going, oh, they're shiny. Yeah, I know. There's a particular shade or tone of yellow that I want from Brazil. I'm not sure they've had it for a few years, you know what I mean?

33:38Charlie Eccleshare:yeah we need to get the hex code of exactly what brazil's color should be a little bit too pale yeah sort of you know american mustard if i can use a brandless condiment on this do you think that england might take that mantle this time because they're playing so late into the tournament what you think that this could be the breakthrough moment for that cliche for them yeah yeah maybe it's been a long way i don't know more widely certainly for us it does feel like

34:04James Maw:that has added to the sense of like come on like when are we gonna get to see england play like which just kind of is worrying because it builds up the anticipation for the inevitable sort of one-all draw. Does the fact France are playing late kind of undercut it a little bit? More widely, probably. I feel like globally, there's probably more of a sense of expectation about them than there is England.

34:22Charlie Eccleshare:I feel like Germany have earned this, haven't they as well? Or maybe they're just, they're not spectacular enough, you know, visually perhaps. But it does feel that Brazil have a weird monopoly on this. Next up, this came from Ecek, Charlie. Here is Steve Crossman on BBC Radio 5 Live indulging in a bit of textbook World Cup nostalgia. They had a little montage going on on the TV screens a few minutes ago, which was all of Brazil's best bits when they won the 94 World Cup here in the USA and the final in Pasadena. They did it to the backing of Tina Turner, who I think was the only person to take a worse penalty than Roberto Baggio in that World Cup during the opening ceremony.

35:00Charlie Eccleshare:No, no! No, mate. No, God. We've all been there. do you know what i don't want to dwell on it too much charlie all i would say is that tina turner i'd back her from 12 yards she'd absolutely bury it compared to diana ross absolutely no

35:16James Maw:question it's the confidence i would really love to know the precise moment maybe he hasn't when he realized or if someone told him i imagine he realized like hours later at sunny game he's like fuck did i say tina turner please tell me i didn't say i didn't say tina turner did i big

35:31Charlie Eccleshare:strong legs james i mean that she's gonna opt for power over placement pina perna that's what we're to be cool enough. Yeah, that definitely makes sense. Elsewhere in Brazil, Morocco, Richard wrote in, Charlie, and says, did you know that one of Morocco's team is the son of former world number 14 tennis player, Yunus El-Anaui, the ATP man? Is he a streets won't forget tennis player, Charlie?

35:52James Maw:That is a really good question and I didn't know that he was El-Anaui's son. I think he just about does qualify for that. He was quite an unconventional player. He had a single-handed backhand. He was involved in a ludicrously long match with Andy Roddick. I think it was 21-19. in the fifth at the Australian Open. So had a kind of like novelty moment. So yeah, I think he would qualify. I love it when Charlie just really just shows off his tennis knowledge. Effortless.

36:18Charlie Eccleshare:I should deny him access to the running orders at some point, see if he really can do this. Like doing it blindfolded on you bet or something like that. I won't let this dog lie. The offers to receive metric that's being measured by FIFA at this tournament. As it turns out, Rob Sotheby, football data, insight analyst at FIFA, says FIFA, been collecting this data for more than five years now but i've got some details about what offers to receive actually means it is the act of performing a clear and deliberate action that has an impact on the current in possession phase or loose ball state prior to the ball being played in an attempt to receive the ball this action could be via a clear and obvious signal change in body shape or movement but crucially and i quite like this data detail a player who gestures for a pass to be played into space that they intend to run onto is also offering to receive and that makes me think of Thierry Henry doing that arms down thing for a through ball that he didn't receive.

37:07Charlie Eccleshare:He's going to get it. He'll claim it. What a metric this is. It's so good. I still don't really understand it. What are they aiming to achieve by totting all these up? But it's a tangible thing, isn't it? It might not be an on-ball thing, James, but it shows intent. It shows what a player has in their head at any given time. So that should be measurable, right?

37:25James Maw:Yeah, you talk about like if you were looking for a strike, that is something a commentator would say. He's always showing for the ball. He's always available. you know he wants it he's you know no one else is showing for it that is something that or like managers will or coaches would sort of praise that's that's the proper football man version of it right we should just call it showing for it yeah i think so yeah but there's so many

37:45Charlie Eccleshare:layers to this charlie you will you'll know of course the the iconic brazil goal of the 1970 final the fourth goal colota belta there are at least two instances in this goal where someone points to someone else of where to pass it now does that count or does that go down as orchestration or something like that.

38:03James Maw:He's so good at showing where people, you know, when others, pointing out when others have shown for the ball.

38:08Charlie Eccleshare:Maybe that's like the assist to the offering to receive goal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You get half a point for it. I don't know. Let's cast our net a little wider in football. Excalibur of All Elite Wrestling wrote in, Charlie, in regards to Alvaro Arbeloa reportedly being in talks with Fulham to be their new manager. And he messaged me saying, how wild is it that I could have scooped David Ornstein earlier today because of my work at the pro wrestling company. Imagine a scenario where David Orncy would have to credit wrestler Excalibur with having the news first. He should have done it. He should have broken it.

38:44Charlie Eccleshare:I've told you to keep me in the loop for any further Craven Cottage developments because I need this to happen quite desperately. Excalibur could feasibly steal here we go as a catchphrase, as a wrestling commentator, for sure. Oh dear. Tremendous stuff. Now, a big task for us next. jungle gatsby writes in referring me to a headline that real madrid's 130 million pound bid for julian alvarez has been laughed off by atletico and he says if you were to go all literally dave about this what sort of laugh do you imagine atletico are doing here um at random james i want you to go first please do you want me to up off with fingers i think it's probably a pasag pretend you've laughed in the communication but you've actually not laughed at all oh okay

39:26James Maw:Yes, I think that's bang on. I mean, do you remember on the Dreamland last year, I talked about like imagining some of the terms that are used about football transfers, those conversations actually played out like informal talks and that sort of thing. I mean this I remember once having just got back from a I think it was actually Spurs preseason tour and it was when the kids were quite young and my wife had had them for that whole time and it'd been like pretty hard for her and I think I got back on the Thursday night and I asked if I could go out on the Saturday night and she she said her exact words were I don't know if you're joking or not wow yeah it did it did not get off the ground and I wonder if Atesco's response was something similar here be like is this a joke like what is this like what's going on here rather than actual like you know yeah i think it's good it's more like that's what it would have been it would have been a hat wouldn't it be like the sort of the you know the kind of big dog boss in an old tv series i mean like who are these clowns sort of thing i can kind of see diego simeone doing a bit of laughing off though not that he's probably the bloke making the decision but you can he sort i can imagine him sort of cackling a bit and maybe looking to you know to some of his sort of cronies forcing them to laugh as well yeah yeah what are they smoking at the emirates tight right yeah that was technically a laughing off wasn't it yeah yeah

40:47Charlie Eccleshare:that's good but either way you have to spell it j-a-j-a-j-a-j-a um didn't think this subgenre had any life left in it but it's still there amazing club dvd scenes life with james on reddit directed us towards an Everton DVD from 2006 called Everton Off to a Flyer, Charlie, subtitled A Winning Start to 2006. And it's just their first three wins of the calendar year of 2006.

41:12James Maw:It's absolutely incredible. It's not their first three wins. It's three of their first one, two, three, four, five, six wins in their first seven games. They've selected the three best, including one against Manchester City, which probably tells you how much football has changed. Oh yeah, that's true. So why have they only... That must be a right there to pay per game or something. Selected wins of early 2006. Do you think it might be a DVD capacity issue? Ooh, maybe. But just make the shorter highlights.

41:41Charlie Eccleshare:Yeah, don't eat the whole fucking game.

41:43James Maw:They're not the whole game, surely. Relive, in part. This isn't a four and a half hour. Relive all 90 minutes of Everton 1 Blackburn Roversville.

41:54Charlie Eccleshare:Florence of Arabia. there's just not much more to say about that it's absolutely bizarre i don't think of anything like it we can all remember clubs kind of opportunistically cashing in on big wins and you know the d when the dd sort of era was at its peak yeah i've i've got a few half season watford dvds i think right i think they did like a dvd of boothroyd coming in and saving us so it was like the the back third of that season you can see why that sort of makes a bit of sense but for such a short amount of time and only a portion of a run. It almost feels like, who is buying that in the moment?

42:30Charlie Eccleshare:Because it's so fresh in the memory. DVDs must have just felt more special in 2006. Well, I've got to get this. I've absolutely got to get it. Is it a Christmas thing? Did it come out just before? I suppose it's sort of early. No, it's the end of January. The opposite.

42:42James Maw:Valentine's Day.

42:45Charlie Eccleshare:You've nailed it. That's it. Oh, thanks. Thanks, Andy. Watch it. Yeah, love. Great accents. Superb stuff. Next up, this came from George. Here is Tom Cruise unveiling David Beckham's star on the Walk of Fame in Hollywood.

43:02James Maw:Please welcome David's good friend and fellow Walk of Famer, Tom Cruise.

43:12Hey, my friend. It is an honor for me to be here today to celebrate my friend David Beckham as he receives his star on Hollywood Boulevard. 30 years ago this summer, one of the most iconic goals in football history took place. A young player from Manchester United facing Wimbledon looked up from just behind the midfield and saw the goalkeeper standing casually off his line. Without thinking about it, in an instant he struck the ball with his right foot,

43:45Charlie Eccleshare:sending it soaring 57 yards through the air, beyond the goalkeeper's reach, into the net. the ball was in the air for just three and a half seconds but that moment has now lived for three decades in the minds of everyone who saw it and in the history of sport it's incredible detail here Charlie he didn't name check Neil Sullivan which I'm really annoyed about he's also mentioned him like cocking out a massive load of phlegm afterwards as well which is my kind of enduring him to that goal celebratory flop afterwards I like the elements of detail in here, Dave. I'm not going to question the metrics on it.

44:25Charlie Eccleshare:57 yards, three and a half seconds. He must have measured it or had someone measured it for him. But the claim that Beckham just sort of did it instantly and didn't think about it, he gave himself a good time to think about that. That was the most weighed up goal from the halfway line I've ever seen. Touches it out of his feet, doesn't he? Yeah, yeah. There's other things he could have referenced, you know, and he was celebrated with Brian McClare on the halfway line. And that, my friends, is why when you get Manchester United at Selhurst Park on a happy hunting ground. You should always go David Beckham 96, 97.

44:57Charlie Eccleshare:He committed to it and he saw it through, Charlie, and that's the main thing.

45:01James Maw:Absolutely. Selhurst Park went a bit Boston, but otherwise.

45:05Charlie Eccleshare:The young tech. The young tech.

45:08James Maw:Although, of course, interestingly, Trevor Sinclair won goal of the season that season.

45:15Charlie Eccleshare:He was robbed, Hollywood. Right, enough of this. Next up, this came from David Gee. It's a lovely If He Was Called. It's by Marcus Buckland on Spurs podcast, The Tottenham Way. You won't be prepared for this. Another big tennis man. 11, he eats. Always leading by example. He's a much better player, I think, than some people give him credit for. But he's just almost not fashionable. It's Ben Davis. We didn't get him for... It's not Benaldino Daviso who's coming for 150 million quid. He's a left back. but also like basically a left-sided centre back as well it's never going to be 150 million no matter what his name is oh dear benaldino deviso right finally a footballer's name's in things for you about a billion people emailed this in so i had to include it and it was very reassuring as well to have such a level of correspondence about it here is wayne rooney on jonathan david's pivotal role in canada's equalizer against bosnia at the time there wasn't that much space way there wasn't and you see the shape here but we've just spoke about it's a 5-4-1 and this is where you need them clever players players who have got a little bit of creativity and they know how to find the space in tight areas and this is exactly what David Dunn he's found the space and it's a it's a rare one from an actual bit of football punditry but good to see David Dunn reach the top table of football uh yeah tremendous just good to see you know a nice grammatical slip is you know for our benefit Charlie so it's good everybody wins yeah and also you know reassuring to how

46:41James Maw:how many people are watching the analysis of Canada-Bosnia after the game? You know, they really wanted to drill into that equaliser.

46:48Charlie Eccleshare:Just email after email, all within a minute of each other. Absolutely tremendous to see. Well, yeah, that's our World Cup off and running. Thanks to you, James Moore. Thank you. Thanks to you, Charlie Eccleshire. Thank you. Thanks to you, David Walker. Thank you. Thanks to everyone for listening. We'll be back later this week after England's, I'm going to say, 2-1 win over Croatia. See you then.

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