The "Club X til I die" loophole & torn hamstrings at the Battle of Hastings: The listeners' loves & hates

23:39Walker Peters for the West Ham United

23:41Charlie Eccleshare:do you know I was really enjoying that Dave I'm so annoyed he didn't give Walker Peters the same treatment that would have been so good Walker Peters that's so weird the Suchek one in particular but Suchek Suchek's great yeah it's like he's been told like you can do the goal thing but you do have to make clear who scored you know in case people aren't aware so don't mind how you do it just do get that in someone it's like Premier League broadcasting rules if you don't say the goal scorer's name in the first two seconds. It almost sounds like they've pre-recorded it. They've just piped in the names.

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26:57Charlie Eccleshare:platforms as well right listeners mesut harlan dicks bumper crop we got this month by the way i really waded through it this morning and i picked out the six best let's kick off the fascinations with tom adams my footballing fascination is with the phrase uh insert team name till i die i.e sunderland till i die uh i've always thought it should be sunderland forever or sunderland until the end of time as um it gets me thinking on those rare occasions where people have been diagnosed as medically dead uh but then revived that's kind of a loophole where maybe they could support sondland until they die but then when they're revived they could support anyone else they wanted to really so if anything the the loyalty is not not actually as strong by being until you die rather it should be forever you know even into the afterlife if that's something that you believe in but yeah anyway something for you guys to discuss maybe charlie what's your favourite bit of that is it where he describes it as a loophole which is the most sensational use of language I've ever heard or him wondering whether we believe in the afterlife or not if you believe in it I love the idea yeah if you do if your heart stops beating whatever and then you sort of come back to life you're like yes I can support someone else like and no one can question me I've I've done it or yeah when you get to heaven or ever and you're at the pearly gates oh if you believe in it and yeah you'll be like oh I can support man city fuck it and it's now forever this is going to be amazing well i mean dave as we all know there's you know there's a widely held stigma about changing the team you support so imagine that backstory but i was what made you change like why did you change you can't change your team i died actually i was clinically dead i mean fair enough really i think you would re-evaluate your life in many ways if you did medically die what have i been doing all this time they make it so hard for themselves don't they i mean he does raise a good point that the till i die thing is is a slightly pointless thing of saying given that that is absolutely assumed because as you say adam like like it's far more remarkable to change your team like not changing your team is 100 expected and anything else you are like scum in the eyes of football fans so to say till you die is like well yeah obviously what else are you gonna do dave if you were bound by the terms of this agreement and you You found yourself with a second chance at things.

29:21Charlie Eccleshare:Would you change? Do you think there are any teams that you quite fancy having a go at instead for the remaining 30, 40 years of your life? Yeah, it's a good point. I could refer to Blackburn, but that's not... I don't know. I guess you'd have to... It could go one of two ways, really. It obviously depends who you support initially. Are you seeking glamour if you haven't had any before? Are you sort of fatigued by the glamour and you want to really go and be like a proper non-league man? Well, that's more likely the scenario, isn't it? just go a little bit more earthy and see if you can, you know, develop a more kind of humble existence for yourself in football supporting terms.

29:52Charlie Eccleshare:Well, it might. But then, you know, in a kind of midlife crisis way of like buying yourself a flash car, it might be more to be like, hey, you know what? I'm going to support City. I'm going to support Chelsea. You're going to be a Real Madrid fan from now on, aren't you? I can afford it now. I've earned a bit more money. This is a very good point. I think it's, I mean, it's basically like choosing a team and football manager, isn't it? Yeah. You're sort of going through all those same sorts of questions. Do I want someone with a big transfer budget? Do I want to take some Norwegian minnows from the bottom all the way to the top?

30:22Charlie Eccleshare:What will people say if I tell them I support them in the office? Will they go, oh, not talking to you again? I mean, the thing is, it doesn't really exist, but wouldn't the optimum of that be like, pick a team that wins their league every four or five years? Yeah. That would be amazing. I don't think you'd want to, you wouldn't be like, oh, I'll pick City or something. That's too boring. So I guess now like Liverpool would be the kind of... Liverpool or maybe Chelsea. Yeah, but then there are, I guess there are sort of, then there's all the baggage that comes with supporting like a team that successful.

30:55But that feels like sort of the sweet spot.

30:57Charlie Eccleshare:I want to dig into this prospect a little bit further, Charlie. If you were, under these circumstances or any other, to switch your allegiance, like where would you start with your new team? like you've picked the team arbitrarily or otherwise how do you start your fandom are you going back to watch season review dvds from the last five years to get up to speed like there's there's surely quite a quite kind of clinical element to getting into that fandom i mean i do i do know people who have done this and have kind of picked a team who've died who've died and then sort of come back to life with this new lease of life and and thought yeah i'll do this uh no people who didn't get the afterlife people are just in their first life and yeah so i know some of the processes for how you pick but then yeah i i don't know i mean i guess yeah i think you would go back i mean i used to have this actually with spurs people would get in touch and be like oh you know i'm an american and i've only got into uh soccer five or so years ago and i picked spurs and i've you know i've been going back and i've just you know read about this or that so i think there is an element to which you do ask what album to start with with a band yeah don't worry about the first one it's not really that representative of the letter yeah exactly go go to 94 95 that's the most recent really fun one.

32:06Start with that. See if you like it. Do them in order from there, yeah. Actually, I was having a look earlier with the Dua Lipa stuff. Well, no, sorry. I was looking at who Callum Turner. I googled like, who does Callum Turner support? Because I was trying to work that out. But what he gave me was a Daily Mail article about Dua Lipa. And there was, you know, classic like, they just got a few tweets and made an article out of it. But it was fans, after she was pictured wearing an Arsenal shirt or being at the Arsenal-Real Madrid game last season, it was fans going, hang on a minute, I thought she was a Liverpool fan because previously she'd had Liverpool shirts and she'd been...

32:37I think Carragher gave her a shirt or something once. But maybe now that's the explanation. We know what's happened. She's kept it under the radar, but she's clinically died at some point. Come back and thought, no, I'm going to go and be an Arsenal fan instead.

32:49Charlie Eccleshare:You're only allowed to do it once, though, surely. Has anyone ever died twice? Never hear about these people. Surely it's possible. Surely somebody's died twice. Yeah, I'm sure. Must have done. Lucky them. Yeah. All those clubs they get to support. Someone will do it for a YouTube video at some point. I think I'll go back to the original one, but that's OK. Could you just have a defibrillator ready? I really need to change the team. Right, right. Getting a bit weird now. Let's move on. Our second fascination this month comes from Josh Morris. A fascination of mine is when the referee has to enjoy the awkwardness of lingering around an injured player who they want to give a yellow or a red card to.

33:23Now, often this is when a physio comes on, very occasionally. Even a stretcher may be required. and you just see the referee holding said card and having absolutely no idea what to do with himself between the time where they've decided they want to give it and they're not able to give it. And it's just fantastic to watch the range of emotions where they clearly are trying to get to that point, but obviously it can be delayed for up to several minutes.

33:43Charlie Eccleshare:Dave, this is pure Mesut Haaland-Dix. This is such a good MHD choice. I wonder if there is kind of established protocol for referees in this situation, because whenever I see it happen, they do get their little notepad out and they have got the card relatively primed. But obviously there's the stigma. You're absolutely not allowed to book a player while they're on the floor injured or even pretending to be injured. So I wonder if it's kind of a smoothing of the process. They don't want to get it out of nowhere, but they don't want to show it early. So there's that kind of halfway house of just walking around with the notepad in their hand looking like it's definitely going to happen.

34:17And you literally don't want to add insult to injury. You don't want to kind of let them get all the way off the pitch, have the applause from the fans, give them the thumbs up, and then you give them the red card at the end.

34:27Charlie Eccleshare:It's the referee's worst nightmare, Charlie, when the injury turns out to be quite serious and then they're stretched off and then you basically have to book them and it's really sad. That is quite a tragic way of doing it. Yeah, I'm trying to think what it's the equivalent of in real life, but it's very distinctive what they do. They sort of raise their nose, they're just sort of like keeping warm. They're sort of just killing time, aren't they? They do a little lap of the player, I think. Yeah, exactly. They're like sort of just look into the middle distance because they can't do anything. You're sort of in limbo a little bit.

34:58You can't do anything else. That is still your priority, but there's nothing you can actually do. You just need to stay vaguely close to the player. Do a little doodle in the notebook or something.

35:07Charlie Eccleshare:Now I think about it, Dave, I'm surprised that there isn't a kind of moral resistance to this in the same way that there is a moral resistance to players getting booked for taking their shirts off after kind of climactic goals. It was just like, oh, you don't have to do it, referee. I do. It's in the rules. I've got an assessor up in the stands. You don't have to. But there doesn't seem to be that kind of resistance to it, I don't think. No. I mean, it doesn't happen that often, I guess. But it's... It's probably for a bad tackle as well, let's face it. Yeah, exactly. I mean, there will be a reason, ultimately.

35:37I mean, you can't just sort of go, oh, it's fine. He got injured. That's the punishment. We can't have double jeopardy.

35:44Charlie Eccleshare:Charlie, there's a 90 % chance this has been addressed in a kind of after-dinner Q &A at some point. But shouldn't Gazza have been booked for that second tackle in the 1991 FA Cup final? Does he not? I can't remember. I don't know which way around. Did he not get booked for the first one and then was booked for the second one? Or was he booked for the first one and then really should have got a second yellow but was carried off anyway? I mean, they're both clearly bookable offences. Yeah. Oh, I thought, because that's the one I have in mind, is that kind of, that famous Gazza one. Let's find out.

36:13Yeah, it is the one that comes to mind. I think that scenario is a bit more understandable. Like if it's a second yellow or if it's a red card, it doesn't negate the original offence. Like if a player's done something, a team should still go down to 10. But it seems worse, doesn't it? If you're sending a player off that is obviously unable to continue playing.

36:32Charlie Eccleshare:I'm reading an interview on The Athletic with the referee Roger Milford from that day. It doesn't look like he was booked. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, when he planted his studs into Gary Parker's chest for the first one, he wasn't booked. Right. And Milford is often asked, do you think Gazza would have calmed down if you had booked him early doors and he wouldn't have gone to the second challenge? So if anything, Milford has just ruined English football, but also means that he didn't have that. Well, I mean, you should have booked him. You should have booked him is the summary of that. But imagine that probably would have started the moral resistance of the whole thing if you booked Gazza in that situation.

37:04Charlie Eccleshare:Roger Milford would never have lived it down. But yeah, just a very welcome observation on the refereeing body language there from Josh Morris. Thank you. Third and final fascination of football for November comes from Dom Eddy. Hi guys, my football fascination is football injuries in historical battles. So I recently ruptured my ACL for my sins and it got me thinking about how hundreds of years ago I would have been absolutely screwed. But also there are some injuries that we strongly associate with sport and football that must have been so common throughout all of human history. Take the pulled hamstring, for example.

37:35We all recognise that movement. you know someone is running they they pull up they put the hand on the back of the hamstring the leg straightens and they do that kind of hop uh until they can't walk anymore and asked to be subbed off you know i've got i've got images of the battle of hastings and king harold looking at his men and then running towards the enemy and seeing one of them put their hand on the back of their hamstring maybe maybe the odd broken metatarsal i've i've never heard of that injury

37:58Charlie Eccleshare:outside of football but you know there must have been a few of those knocking about where do we start with this one dave i love the idea of the hamstring at the battle of hastings yes if If that's impact, he might be able to carry on. But if that's more skiller, he's off. There's no chance he can carry on. We know that. Surely there must have been some hammies done at those sort of battles. Absolutely. They didn't have modern day physiotherapy practices. They weren't doing... They were stretching. They weren't doing prehab, were they? Pre-activation. Don't start the battle yet. We've got to run around some cones first.

38:30I mean, isn't the thing that... I'm sure there are, but they're obviously overshadowed. when you think of historical battles, you know, you think of like the malnutrition that they would have had, or you think in the First World War of things like shell shock, or you think of things like gout, which obviously are still a thing, but you think of them as very much... Gout fast. You have gout fast. So those are what we tend to think about rather than necessarily the kind of, the little niggles that they would have had. Because I guess they kind of pale into insignificance, especially in some of those kind of really horrendous battles.

38:59Charlie Eccleshare:You know, human beings are getting more sedentary, Dave. So, you know, hamstring injuries is probably more common now than they would have been, you know, per capita back then. They would have been on their feet all the time. They would have been a bit more live, maybe, you know, less meat on the bones as well. So less pressure on the muscles. But yeah, there must be an account somewhere. There's some somewhere must be documented the minor injuries of battle throughout the year. It's like really minor, completely innocuous stuff. I want to hear about those. Groom strains. Come on, Ben Dinery. Go back through the record books.

39:29Charlie Eccleshare:Number of days lost. it'll be arsenal still like oh dear um but um this question that dom eddie poses right at the very start charlie there's a lot more common than you might expect and this is from some random podcast that came up in my google search results what do you think a caveman did when it tore his hcl sat on his ass for six months no i think they died dude i think it just died with an acl injury you know can't help the pack dude i think when you tore your acl like even through the medieval era, I think they just left you behind and you died. Well, they left you behind. No, you got one of those canes that were wildly useless.

40:08Charlie Eccleshare:You just became the village order. Did you say forged or foraged? Forage. Okay, I didn't know if you became a blacksmith. Well, that's later on. Okay. Well, just making sure. That's clearly in the Bronze Age. Oh, it's cliches level granularity here. I really enjoyed that. Good lads. But even like the tearing of the ACL even like that feels like a really modern injury somehow or like you know going back to I don't know the 90s or were they common in the 60s were players tearing their ACLs have ACL ruptures increased I feel like they might have done but maybe maybe that's I'm imagining that I think we've always had ACLs haven't we I guess just as such yeah yeah yeah I think it's like you can still you can still sometimes walk for a bit can't you even though you do your ACL it's not an immediately no that's where some players play on with yeah so i think you could possibly have hobbled around as a kid you probably would be undiagnosed lots of undiagnosed acl roaches in the uh yeah in the ancient times i think uh well there was actually an extreme case of this i remember reading about this years and years ago um lee wilkie scottish defender played for dundee and dundee united ended up with no acl in either knee and attempted to just carry on playing like by strengthening the muscles around his leg and he just tried to carry on he ended up having a dead person's tendon sort of stitched into it which didn't work either.

41:26Charlie Eccleshare:But yeah, one of the solutions he tried was just play without them which is absolutely mental. Can't rupture them if you don't have them. Yeah, exactly. Charlie, I love the idea that sort of ACLs just came into fashion like cuts of meat that were disregarded like years ago as not being worthwhile or suddenly like, you know, they're all about the slow cooking now and they're suddenly, yeah, they're in vogue. Yeah, very much so. Well, like metatarsals, they hadn't existed until about 2005 and then they were everywhere. Exactly. Just used to call it a broken foot, didn't we? Yes. I think the metatarsals would have been fine in the Battle of Hastings by the way because have you ever seen a coat of armour I mean did they have coat of armour in the Battle of Hastings I don't know but they've always got a thing over the foot haven't they yeah crucial because you want to get done in the foot because that would be a good way to get someone stabbing them in the foot with a sword then they can't move and they're fucked you plant them to the ground then you'd lose your sword so anyway yes thank you Dom Eddy it's a pleasure to have that one that's your fascinations taken care of for November we'll be back very shortly with your irritations

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44:06Charlie Eccleshare:Welcome back to Football Clichés. We've heard the listeners' fascinations for November. It's time for your top irritations. Number one comes from science teacher Mr Foley. He says, I'm basking in the glory of Scotland's win over Denmark. and there was a moment from Craig Gordon I just can't get out of my head. My irritation is when goalkeepers pick the ball up, they put it behind their heads and they throw the ball over an attacker's head like they're taking a throw-in. Why do goalkeepers do this? Throw-ins are literally designed with specific rules to limit your ability to throw the ball. Keepers are not constrained by such mechanics.

44:39Why would they decide to limit their ability to throw the ball by throwing it like that? it's so unwieldy and does my absolute head in

44:49Charlie Eccleshare:Great to know that this is preoccupying him in the afterglow of Scotland's win Charlie but I hard disagree from me I think it serves a very important function for quick restarts Why so? What do you like about it? So the exact scenario that a goalkeeper does this is when they're sort of launching a quick counter-attack but they don't need to throw the ball far it's literally throwing it over an opponent's head straight into the path of someone like a left back who's straight in front of them for them to carry the ball forward and it's a bit like a rugby line out. You're going to guarantee accuracy with it because it's a symmetrical technique.

45:19Charlie Eccleshare:You know you're going to get a straight line throw with your quick throw it. And it's a really quick, because with the classic goalkeeper throw out, you've got to wind it up, haven't you? You could push it over your shoulder one hand, I guess. That would look mad. But what about a little, quick little roll? Would that not serve a similar purpose? More interceptable though, isn't it? Yeah, exactly. On the ground, you could, and there might be bodies around you as well who might try and block it. So I think you're getting, as Mr. Foley says there, you're kind of getting it over the heads of the opposition players.

45:50Charlie Eccleshare:But it's crucially, Dave, it's an expedient way of getting the ball out on the counter-attack. So when you're watching your team and you're in this scenario where a goalkeeper is plucked a corner out the air and you know a counter-attack is on because your winger's already primed to go, you're basically willing the goalkeeper to release it in the quickest way. And I'm sure in my head, I've gone, do the little, do the throw-in throw, do it quicker, do it quicker. Because every second counts on a counter-attack. Yeah, and it is annoying when you see them thinking about doing it and then they just think better of it.

46:18Charlie Eccleshare:Yeah, this is another offshoot of this, Charlie, which is the goalkeeper surveying the scene for a potential counterattack. It basically happens at every corner now because we are such a counterattacking era. The moment where they decide not to do it is so crushing. You think, how have you not managed to assemble yourself in a counterattacking situation from here? Surely it's on. But there's also the fake as well where they're kind of pretending that they're surveying it. It's like, you're not really, you were never going to do it. We all know you're not going to do it, but you've got to look as though you want to do it.

46:45Charlie Eccleshare:The moment a goalkeeper runs through the crowd, Dave, of a crowd scene at a corner with the ball in their hand, right to the edge of the area, threatening to do the counter-take, it's very bloke clutching a Molotov cocktail at a riot. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. It emerges from the crowd. Yeah, it's amazing. The overall headline here is, I can't believe Mr Foley was caring about this after the Scotland game, which is great news for this podcast that we're hiring his priorities to me. And he's got school the next day as well. But if you thought this was an incredible level of rattled for a Scottish football fan to be in the hours after that game, here's Scotsman Martin D in a voice note sent at 2.04am after the win over Denmark.

47:28One thing I hate when you watch football on TV and the away end are just wearing black dark colours and not their team's shirt. So if a blue team is playing a red team, the away end should be a sea of red. You see that colour clash like when you see the Netherlands at a World Cup. If it's obviously complicated, if it's Liverpool versus Man United and they both play home and their home kits are red, then it should be the away end should be in the designated away colours for that day. Even if it's white, just wear a white T-shirt or a white jumper or some other form of white clobber. we need um a definite kick clash when it's we're watching on tv bye right where do i start with

48:13Charlie Eccleshare:this um i i do share the kind of irritation for this at its core charlie which is when i'm watching a game as a neutral you know be on highlights or whatever if the crowd behind the goal before a goal goes in if i don't know whether they're the home or away team i want i basically have to wait for their reaction to the goal to know whether that was the away fans or not i guess that can be quite irritating i mean but yeah should there be a kind of cohesive dress code for away fans feels like quite a lot to sort of coordinate um like yes in an ideal world you would have that contrast and i guess that that is why holland is so great because no one else unless they yeah no one else really i mean do the ivory coast they wear orange as their home kit or is that their wake if they were green as their home i don't know this is a poland situation i can't work out what their actual home yeah yeah yeah i think i think they're green now yeah i think it's green home maybe orange is their way but like yeah so holland kind of have that themselves yeah i don't know i think i just think that's quite a tricky thing who called like who called the sort of supporters club are saying boys uh we're in our third kit actually tomorrow so uh yellow please if you can yeah i mean how formalized could this be dave like i mean you know kits that sort of the the official agreement of what kits are going to be worn in a game is is is published before kickoff so should away fan bases coordinate i mean obviously there are issues with the affordability of football kits but i'm sure that there is a relative kind of impetus to wear the away kits when you know the team is going to wear the away kit like you do you do see more of them i'm sure because there must be some people who are making the choice yeah there definitely will be people that do that for that reason no doubt but if it was um something that had to be rolled out on mass you could have you know some assistant referees at the turnstiles just checking checking the kits like studs sorry yeah checking stud we can't have any clashes it's a tricky one for you know the mostly inclement weather of English football in autumn winter you know you're going to have a lot of grey and black and blue coats and that does that does kind of affect the kind of background of things it does ruin it a bit goalkeeper kits as well the thorny issue not that thorny is it let's face it can you have a proportion 1 in 11 sort of knocking around it's for psychos and kids, isn't it?

50:27Charlie Eccleshare:Especially if you've got the padded arms. Away goalie kits. The solution that Martin comes up with, Dave, that, you know, in the event that some people might not own the kit, if your team's playing away in white, you might just want to wear a white t-shirt or a white jumper. I mean, should fan bases be going to that stretch to make them look visually coherent? I mean, I still think there will be people out there that will think along those lines, particularly if you are, well, I mean, actually most colours really, but like, yeah, just wearing something red if you're Liverpool, Arsenal, Man United or whatever.

50:56It just sort of gets you a little bit closer, perhaps, to where you think you should be if you don't want to wear the shirt or a scarf.

51:03Charlie Eccleshare:Martin D, Charlie, sort of talks about the sea of red that you want to see in that situation. So this is more incumbent on sort of FA Cup finals, isn't it? Which I guess the weather would probably be better. So there's more of a responsibility for the half of a stadium to be wearing as much of that colour as possible. I think that does happen in FA Cup finals. Like a club will say like, we're going to be in white or whatever. So, you know, do we urge you to try and wear it? Because they are trying to create that. Because I think they don't want that sort of, you know, sort of speckled effect where it's not really clear or whether, you know, where there's too much.

51:35You're just wearing, you know, say the red of what your opponents are wearing. I think a cup final, you would coordinate that. It's one of the things I like about supporting a team that plays in yellow is that there aren't that many of them. So it's when we have been in big finals at Wembley or whatever, having that block, it looks distinctive. really softens the blow of losing six nails to City. We are all in the right colour. We waved our flags, mate. Don't worry about that.

51:58Charlie Eccleshare:And yellow is the number one sea of in football, isn't it, Dave? Yellow's absolutely the sea of. Yeah. Bit like piss, isn't it? Sea of piss. I think that you could have the sea of orange. Yeah, a bit more dehydrated. Yeah, the really dehydrated Dutch fans. I think you would, it's a sea of orange here in Sapporo or wherever we are. Not a big fan of sea of red. Stretch that. They weren't out in 2002 World Cup. come on yeah that's brilliant that's brilliant don't take it out leave it in because he's admitted to it that's the main thing sea of red i don't like it's too primary charlie you can't have sea of red sea of blue if anything doesn't work either sea of yellow sea of green sea of orange for sure sea of green yeah um yeah i don't think you want one of those kind of main colors red's more suited to the you know your red wall i mean obviously you have got the yellow wall as well yeah but yeah once again just just great that we're we're the top priority for scotsman martin d there right final irritation from our listeners for november comes from colin mccracken and he has gone niche hi cliches my footballing irritation is what i'm calling the podcaster's what or if i'm being cruel the horncastle what this is where a pundit appearing on a football podcast will just before they quote a number or a statistic will ask themselves the micro question what this is a team that's won what six of the last 10 skedetto this is the side that spent what 70 million in the transfer window this is a player that scored what eight in his last 10 appearances i noticed it once months ago and now i can't stop noticing it and i find it very irritating this may well be the most niche one we've ever done dave but um are you familiar with this concept does this thing happen yeah very identifiable completely well i can i'm sure i've done it i can picture myself having having done it when you're just talking is again it's one of those things where you know pretty much know you're right but you're just not entirely sure you just have to give yourself a bit of leeway this is crucial charlie when i was trying to sort of picture the the exact scenario where this might be rolled out is it a case of it's a number so specifically uncertain that you want to kind of just cushion your uncertainty with a what or as dave suggests is it a number that you definitely know but don't want to show that you know it too obviously and clearly i think it's a bit of both or it can be it can be either right i should say in hallcastle's defense he would say scudetti um i'm sure lots of other people listening are thinking that um in that instance yeah i i think i think both and i'm sure it's really lifted from you this week hasn't it people are really praising you being back on form this week and rightly so you've come back with some serious gusto you've got your mojo back Charlie.

54:33Yeah. The fog has lifted. I honestly, you know, that thing when like a cold goes, you're like, Oh my God, I feel incredible. Um, it's an amazing feeling. Yeah. I I'm sure. I mean, we do, everyone does this and I bet, you know, this would be even for our listeners. I think this would be a job beyond them, but on listen, fair play, if it picks up what I'm sure you can see the many, many instances when we've done this, even on this podcast, which is less about, you know, sort of talking in that way. But yeah, I mean, we must do that. What two,

54:59Charlie Eccleshare:three times an episode yeah i mean it is a strange construction isn't it dave the insertion of what here i mean it's it does seem to be quite sort of instinctive for people i don't think it has a kind of established grammatical reasoning it doesn't really fit grammatically does it no it doesn't but it does make sense and it feels quite a natural device to use i think it's is it a bit better than than the seven eight nine yeah exactly than that it's probably it's probably comes together sometimes really though doesn't it yeah he's got what he's six foot two six foot three is he he's what i i think it's actually the more i think about it charlie it's quite an elegant thing to just stitch in mid-sentence it doesn't break the rhythm of what you're saying and it has the desired effects either way you know whatever scenario you're using it in for whatever motivation i quite like it it does soften things a little bit but i have to admit i can totally vividly imagine hallcastle doing it so now colin mccracken is kind of justified in various ways but yeah the scudetti that's uh that's unforgivable but it is yeah it is it does make what you're saying just that little bit more casual and conversational i do think it's more actually of those two options i do think it's more that than when you know it but you don't want to show you know i think it's more that you're pretty sure but it does just it's just like a level of insurance you're giving yourself this and dave surely this paves the way for us to be able to do a dreamland on football podcast now that's it we can go as meta as we like well We need people to keep an eye out now for these what's in the wild.

56:25Charlie Eccleshare:I want a montage of what's by the end of this month, if possible. Anyway, yeah, fascinating selection from our listeners. Very troubled sovels they are out there. Death, the afterlife, Away Fans kits, spin superb. Thanks to you, Charlie Eccleshare. Thank you. Thanks to you, Dave Walker. Thank you. Thanks to everyone for getting in touch. We'll be back on Tuesday. See you then.

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