The Football Cliches Quiz XXI: Libero

15:55John Brewin:of Birmingham City Jack you love your massive front men yeah yeah he's trying to trick us in the front men think of the front men think of defenders unless that's a terrible double bluff is there a Norwich guy like what was that going to call I might be completely I might be completely Tim Closer or someone like that is you know

16:21Jack Pitt-Brooke:oh yeah

16:22John Brewin:was he 6a was he at all I don't know if he was but no I can't think of many players who are taller than Crouch how tall is big Dan Burton is he just a mere 6 foot 5 I reckon 6 foot 5 or 6 6 foot 5 yeah isn't there another wasn't there a lad at Wolves oh Milias is it Milias Do you know what I mean, Milias? I was thinking of a... I'm thinking of some former Yugoslav, a Balkan. Oh, Kladzic. Yeah, he played the other day. Came on for 15 minutes. How tall is he? He's very, very tall. I think... Okay, the other logical way to look at this, the tallest nation in the world is the Dutch. The second tallest is the Croatians.

17:05Jack Pitt-Brooke:I can't think of many very tall Croatian Premier League era players, though. No, maybe not.

17:12John Brewin:we get the tricky inside forwards yeah how to Crouch is Crouch is quite he's quite short is he 6 '7 I think that's right isn't it that feels right

17:26Jack Pitt-Brooke:I'd be surprised if one wasn't Crouch because I don't imagine there'd be three taller players than Crouch

17:31John Brewin:is he 6 '8 though well okay the question we're comfortable with Ziggic right and then the question is do we think Crouch is taller than Kaladzic Who do you think is taller, Kaladzic or Kroetsch? Or should we go Ziggy and Kroetsch? Perennial question.

17:43Charlie Eccleshare:Two ACL injuries, Kaladzic. I was looking at some giraffes at the Safari Party yesterday and thought, how do they not do their ACLs more often?

17:50John Brewin:He missed 568 days playing. Wow, I don't know his height,

17:57Charlie Eccleshare:but you know how many days he's missing.

17:59John Brewin:I read the programme, you see. That's the... Why can't we think of any really tall defenders? Yeah I know I can't think of any really tall defenders Is that because once you get to a certain height You somehow don't have the muscle mass To be able to kind of wrestle with a centre forward Chill out this isn't Libero now Come on you're on the cliched quiz I'm thinking of tall players And midfielders I assume we're not allowed

18:28Jack Pitt-Brooke:Voltemada who hasn't played yet He's only 6 '6 anyway I think He is Premier League registered I'm pretty sure he's only 6 '6

18:40you think it's people like Chris Samba

18:44John Brewin:but he probably isn't that tall I'm going to piss you on this now please what should we say is it Ziggy Chin Crouch or Ziggy Chin Kaladzic John you've seen Kaladzic most recently how tall is Kaladzic is he taller than Peter Crouch I was in the stand and he wasn't as high up as I was what row were you in C that's true He is very tall isn't he

19:10Jack Pitt-Brooke:I've been convinced out of Crouch I reckon Zygic and Kaladzic Nikola Zygic is indeed 6 foot 8 According to Wikipedia Sasa Kaladzic Is 6 foot 7 So it was close Peter Crouch is not 6 foot 8 So you wouldn't be able to get him either The two that you missed were Another Wolves ex-Wolves beanpole Stefan Meyerhofer and former Everton big man Lassina Traore great elegant variation from you there Dave

19:49John Brewin:great answer well good that yeah oh yeah I mean we've given it a good crack I don't feel embarrassed by that yeah so yeah Kaladzic not as tall as you thought that's the that's the headline Nenad Milius by the way just six foot

20:09right then

20:10Charlie Eccleshare:Libero you finish that round with three points and it's time for your opening round please okay name the four players who have won both the Premier League and the Euros this decade this decade okay Chiesa Chiesa yeah Jorginho never won the Premier League hasn't won the Premier League has he just starting with that Italy team if there's anyone else just to be clear they have to have won both of those competitions in this decade in this decade okay Rodri Rodri yeah Rodri's right isn't it yeah came off at half time in the final yeah who else from that Spain team Italians are going to be thin on the ground right well that's not well it it's not going to be Italy because isn't it only isn't it only like Balotelli and Chiesa who've ever won the only Italians who've won the Premier League bizarrely Chiesa, Rodri unless there's a third but I think so we're looking for a really obscure Spaniard here I fear ah fuck they did have some fairly obscure oh Ferran Torres he must have won the Premier League and he must have been in that space squad definitely fell into that city window didn't he I like that okay I'm useless here I have such Such a recent football, recent amnesia.

21:35Charlie Eccleshare:I'm completely screwed. David Silva wasn't still in the squad, was he? No. Who, sorry, Dave? David Silva, he's gone. Deceased.

21:48Charlie Eccleshare:Worried about a random Italian now, to be honest. I'm pretty sure, unless someone told me wrong recently that Keza and Balotelli... No other Italians at Liverpool. No other Italians at Man City. Yeah, exactly. They're the only teams that have won it, aren't they? Fuck, who's this other Spaniard for City? Go back to that 19-20 Liverpool team. Is there anyone in there we've forgotten about? Oh, that's a good shout.

22:20Spain for Liverpool. They've gone quiet. We're on top of you. Also, I'm not just clear in my head. I don't think he's even from Spain, but just so I can get him out of my head. Who's that? The goalkeeper Ortega. Yeah, he's German. He's not Spanish. He's German. Oh, he's really German, isn't he? Okay. Just thinking if there was like a random keeper. Yeah, not him. Knocking around. Who'd done? Liverpool? Liverpool haven't had a Spanish keeper.

22:47Charlie Eccleshare:Spanish players at Man City, other than Rodri. Or Liverpool. I mean, like, was there some win the league for Liverpool last season? What about the centre-back? City centre-back Oh, Amaric Laporte Yes I love it I love all four Recite them one more time Chiesa, Rodri, Ferran Torres and Amaric Laporte Is correct Thank you There's actually one other Premier League winner in that Spain squad who didn't win the Premier League this decade which is Jesus Navas Ah yeah So 3-1 Jack

23:33Jack Pitt-Brooke:Three clubs Have lost In the League Cup Final And the FA Cup Final In the same season Name them Sheffield Wednesday Sheffield Wednesday The go-to Leicester

23:44Charlie Eccleshare:No Leicester Leicester Middlesbrough Played each other Hang on Hang on a minute 97 I'm pretty sure Was the same finalists No No But no Leicester Chelsea Middlesbrough Chelsea Middlesbrough Played in the same final in the FA Cup final didn't they? wait no hold on Chelsea beat Middlesbrough in the FA Cup final 97 Leicester won the League Cup final did they beat Borough that year? yeah I think so and they got relegated that season yeah so Sheffield Wednesday Borough and one other team have lost both finals in the same season if it's the 60s they're fucked yeah we need this to be vaguely recent oh my god I mean Adam you know 80s football I feel like were there any 80s and 90s yeah I couldn't tell you League Cup in the 80s to be honest with you I love

24:37John Brewin:you know 80s that's fantastic yeah you know the 80s better than anyone

24:44Charlie Eccleshare:you've been there how was it yeah you experienced it first hand Arsenal lost in 88 but didn't lose the final I mean there might be a more recent one we don't know that what about so who did Leicester beat when they won the FA Cup final a few years ago Chelsea did Chelsea also lose the League Cup final that year against Liverpool no they didn't it was the Spurs City final what about Liverpool like Klopp's Liverpool oh or in 2012 Liverpool were in both finals but they won the League Cup and then lost the FA Cup to Chelsea. What about Arsenal? They won on penalties, didn't they? What about Arsenal-Bermingham?

25:37Charlie Eccleshare:Did they get to the FA Cup final that year? No. Okay.

25:44Charlie Eccleshare:Liverpool lost the Carling Cup in 2005. But then United lost the FA Cup final. Or is there a more... Again, just rule out the really recent ones. Who's like a nearly... Or have Newcastle ever done it? It feels like the sort of thing they might have done in their 70 years of hurt. 90s. How many do you need to get? One more. Forrest. Forrest lost the FA Cup final in 1991. No, they didn't. Yes, they did. Yeah, to Spurs. But they were good in the League Cup, weren't they? But I think they won the League Cup in 1991. no Sheffield Wednesday won it in 1991 John Harkes scored the winner against possibly in something in Forest John Sheridan it was John Sheridan thank you very much what do I read into that John Harkes did then score in the 93 right I'm thinking of Sheffield Wednesday lost to Arsenal who did Sheffield Wednesday beat in the 1991 League Cup final I think it was Forest I can't think who else or was it Man United just park in that because we may as well just find out the ones we know and don't know and that's 90s onwards, isn't it?

26:51And then we can start doing that or just guessing at a 70s or 80s one because we're not going to know the one before then, I don't think.

26:58Charlie Eccleshare:I'm only going to focus on that from now on because I literally can't think of anything else. In 1991, the FA Cup final was Spurs-Forest, right? Forest lost. I think Forest lost the 1991 League Cup final to Sheffield Wednesday unless it was Man United. But Man United didn't lose the 91 League Cup final. It would have been a bigger deal, right? Yeah, we'd have known... I think that would be... Wouldn't that be talked about in the Fergie law? like when we hear ex-pros talking about that. I can't. It's only Man United or Forest who Sheffield Wednesday played in that final in 91. Okay, should we just rule out some other year just in case I'm not like, and then we can go back.

27:33So 94. 94 was Villa Leeds. Yeah, yeah. No, that was 96. But 94, we can rule out because Villa Man United. United won one, lost one. 95, Everton lost the, sorry, United lost the FA Cup final. the League Cup though was Liverpool won it against Bolton 96 we've done 97 we've done 98

27:58Charlie Eccleshare:Tottenham no Tottenham Blackburn no Arsenal Arsenal beat Newcastle and then the League Cup it wasn't Newcastle it was Chelsea beating Middlesbrough again I think oh this could take forever should we just go with your thick should we just go with your yeah so let's go with Sheffield Wednesday Middlesbrough and Nottingham Forest

28:21Jack Pitt-Brooke:Sheffield Wednesday is correct 1992-93 Middlesbrough is correct 1996-97 the third correct answer is Chelsea 2021-22 wow oh I fucking told you I'm dismissed so you had it and then you you let it slip so in 21-22 but that was the difference that was the season after wasn't it They lost the League Cup final to Liverpool on penalties, and they lost the FA Cup final to Liverpool on penalties. Yeah, of course.

28:55Charlie Eccleshare:Lads, lads, lads. And John, do you want to tell them who Sheffield Wednesday beat in 1991?

29:02John Brewin:Manchester United. I was there, yes.

29:06Jack Pitt-Brooke:You kind of had it, and then Charlie got 2021. City Tottenham League Cup final was 2021, not 2022. so you had it right but I thought what was suggested was 2021 yeah I suggested Leicester not Liverpool so oh of course yeah Leicester was the 2021 season none of us were right it's fine

29:26Charlie Eccleshare:oh I thought you were closer that is the maximum amount of time we're allowed to spend dissecting now okay it remains 3-1 question 3 two sides have been managed by both Harry Redknapp and Ray Wilkins who name them both one of them is Jordan and the other one is QPR QPR and Jordan it's correct

29:55Jack Pitt-Brooke:no banter required on that one when you get the answer that quickly QPR and Jordan it's like a Premier League starter kit

30:04John Brewin:for the 1990s which Jordan I suppose is the question

30:08Jack Pitt-Brooke:question four the pub team from Top Soap emmerdale once played a match against a side managed by which yorkshire born former premier league player again please the pub team from top soap emmerdale once played a match against a side managed by which yorkshire born former premier league player the wall pack fictionally or in

30:36Charlie Eccleshare:real life? In the soap. We'll give you one extra clue which is this player was signed out of the Royal Navy by Ian St. John. In real life. That would have been a very odd twist for Emma Darlton. Inserting Ian St. John into the freaking universe. Yorkshire born. Former Premier League player. Yeah, the only player I know who was in the Navy before becoming a Premier League player was Guy or Whittingham. Even then, I think he was the army.

31:12Charlie Eccleshare:So, right, Yorkshire Bourne. Yorkshire Bourne, I mean, presumably this is very early Premier League. Did you say, this player? He played in the Premier League, this guy. Ian St. John, I don't know who Ian St. John managed, to be honest. I don't remember his manager who could walk or whatever. So he was in the Navy, this guy. Yeah. Yorkshire Bourne. What was he doing in the Navy? Serving his country.

31:42A little thing called serving his country. We used to care about that sort of thing. So who would be in Emmerdale, Yorkshire born? It's not going to be... It's got to be somebody with a bit of profile, hasn't it?

31:57Charlie Eccleshare:And he managed the team that played the team. Yeah, he managed the opponents of the Woolpacks team. Was there an early Premier League Leeds player? Because then he might have won the league with them, so would have some heft. Batty wasn't Yorkshire born, was he? Where was Wetherill from? I like it. He seems quite Navy-y. He does, doesn't he? Why is he going to be on Emmerdale? He looks fucking old all the time. He's not in Emmerdale, is he? This is awful. This is awful. I've got nothing. Absolutely nothing. Brian Dean? No. Where was he born? I've got nothing could be anyone I don't even think I'll kick myself about this whatsoever there'll be no I think it's Dave Wetherill it's gotta be David Wetherill I like it let's go for David Wetherill

32:45Jack Pitt-Brooke:the correct answer is Chris Kamara of course and before people write in he was born in Middlesbrough which when he was born was part of the north riding of Yorkshire was not part of Cleveland which it became after the 1974 Municipal Government Act of Ted Heath

33:02John Brewin:And I think David Wetherall was at university, I think, when he became a footballer as well. So there you go. He's my mate, Peter's cousin. You might have met at the wedding. Yeah, yeah, of course, yeah. I know Pete. Oh, that... No, that one, the one before, we just were careless with. We should have thought about it. Should we book David Wetherall or Chris Kamara? Tricky. so Wetherill's had the iconic Premier League moment that goal that kept Bradford up

33:34Charlie Eccleshare:both play for Bradford anyway 3-2 it remains to Libero place in order you remember how well this question went last time yeah place in order from smallest to greatest number of matches played at the inaugural Africa Cup of Nations in 1957 number of different nationalities of manager to have won the Premier League, the number of times an Irish manager has won the English League title, the number of different stadiums used in the 1930 World Cup, and the number of Serie A games lost by Perugia in 1978-9. Right, well, Perugia famously unbeaten, but didn't win the league in 1978-79, so it's a zero, so they are smallest.

34:24Charlie Eccleshare:nationalities of Premier League winning managers we can do this obviously so we're going for Scottish French

34:35then Portuguese

34:39German well let's do it in order Italian yeah so wait so Portuguese was fourth I think wait was it no Scottish French Portuguese Italian French Alotti then

34:57Charlie Eccleshare:Chilean Italian again Chilean so that's five so that takes us to 2014 and 2015 was Mourinho again Spanish and German and Dutch so eight okay so Prugia's zero nationalities for the Premier League is eight Irish managers to win the English league title so is that Irish managers total Jonathan or sort of leagues won by teams no no just the number of different managers number of different managers cool I don't know a single Irish manager to win the league title none of the Liverpool managers were Irish as far as I know Arsenal it's basically only Herbert Chapman and then the modern ones and then who who's the manager in 71 don't think he was Irish maybe he was I don't know who was that okay stadiums in 1930 I mean I wonder if we've got the highest and the lowest already and everything else just fits in.

36:17Charlie Eccleshare:Yeah, it's a coin toss, really, because I don't, yeah, to a certain extent. Yeah, I don't think there were more than eight stadiums at the 30 World Cup and I don't think there were more than eight Irish managers who won the league title in England. So, I think we should talk about AFCON. AFCON matches as well. Games played at inaugural couple of nations. Oh my God, yes, there it is. Number of games played at AFCON. Let's go super small with that. Let's assume it's a bit like Euro 1960, which was like four games officially. Well, I reckon the Irish managers thing is probably the lowest after zero.

36:49Charlie Eccleshare:Okay. So let's put that at one. And then I would say more stadiums at 1930 than there were games at AFCON. You reckon? How many games were there in 1930 World Cup? Do we have any sense? Just thinking how much stadia would be needed. It was fairly hefty. We're not talking about four, six teams. I think that order is probably a good bet. Perugia, Irish, AFCON stadiums managers. Perugia, Irish, AFCON, 1930 stadiums, Premier League nationalities. So Perugia were unbeaten in 1978-9. there were indeed eight different nationalities of Premier League eight different nationalities have won the Premier League the number of Irish managers to win the top division is one Bob Kyle with Sunderland in 1912-13 Sunderland yep Kevin Collins the the er go on well he was Scottish but oh well you were oh Ray Hamilton erm there were three stadiums used in 1930, which means that if a number of games at the Cup of Nations in 1957 is between one and three, you have the point.

38:20So four teams played, and in those four games, those four teams were drawn into semifinals. Egypt beat Sudan, but South Africa were expelled because it wouldn't field a mixed-race team, meaning that Ethiopia got a bye to the final of only two games of the initial Cup of Nations and so you were correct and it's 3-3

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41:52Charlie Eccleshare:Welcome back to the Clichés Quiz. We are locked at 3-3. Round two is the audio round. Let's kick things off with question one for Libero. Libero, who is this dubbed into German? Schafft es ab! Schafft den VHR ab! Schafft ihn an diesem Wochenende während der Länderspielpause ab, weil er wertlos und sinnlos ist und eine völlige Zeitverschwendung! Slightly worrying results, dubbing this guy into German, but still. I'm struggling.

42:19Jack Pitt-Brooke:There's definitely a Wöckenander there in the middle somewhere. They said what, Surya? There's definitely a Wöckenander. Did you say Scharf or Schlaf? weekend. I'm not sure. If it's schlaf, it's like sleep is over or something. But it means, scharf means what? Sharp, I think. Sharpest app?

42:37John Brewin:It sounds like a sort of Pep Guardiola rant. So it's sleep is over for this weekend?

42:43Charlie Eccleshare:Yeah, please. As is always the case in these ones, I can tell you that dubbing is very faithful in terms of accent and tone of voice. Schafft es ab! Schafft den VHR ab! Schafft ihn an diesem weekend period for the Nordic Un pregnant now because it's of language and BS and an entirely间 free eternity.

43:23is going wrong. It just reminds me of

43:25John Brewin:Pep in a sort of Amazon documentary or something like that. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Unguarded Pep. Yeah. Okay. I mean, if the accent is similar, is that Pep? Or is it Pep or is it Warnock? Obviously very similar characters. That's the... It's some sort of dressing room. It sounds like that's everything, isn't it? Quite high-pitched though. Yeah, I think it's too high-pitched for Warnock. Having been on the receiving end of a Neil Warnock barrage. I didn't feel like Warnock. On the end of a barrage, okay, that's one for later. In a quiz scenario as well. Not today. Not today. We know how long these stories can go on for.

44:08We'll stick that in Dreamland. Save it for your other eight podcasts.

44:15John Brewin:He's recording the other seven later. Are we going to save Pep then? I can't do any better than that. OK, Pep Guardiola. Yeah, pretty similar, I would say. Scrap it. Scrap VAR. Scrap it this weekend over the international break because it's worthless, pointless, a total waste of time.

44:35Charlie Eccleshare:Jeff Stelling, in fact. I thought it was very Jeff Stelling-y, actually. So I'm surprised you didn't get the tone of voice. But if you don't know it, you don't know it. Right, 3-3 it remains. Question two in the audio round. who are Richard Keyes, Andy Gray and Jason McAteer talking about here?

44:52Jack Pitt-Brooke:What we believe is he's not a lover of football, so it doesn't really faze him, I don't think. He wouldn't be the first. No, he wouldn't. There's plenty of players like that. There have been many. So I think we've got to respect. Well, like the game, they're not interested in the game, but they were good at it. You have to respect his decision. And, you know, it's easier to do it. He has a right to do it. Is it the right thing? Not for me, no. And I told him about Ben White. Is that Ben White refusing to play for England? I was thinking yeah I mean my initial guess was Gareth Bale who was obviously like castigated for not liking football but I think but I think

45:26John Brewin:yeah I think that's the thing is McAteer appearing on that show is sort of only recently isn't it and is Bale a bit which also it sounds like it's a specific decision that's been taken whereas Bale there's sort of a long drift and then someone's refused to do something It could be City v. That looks like you could easily date it to 2022 World Cup as well. Discussion point. Yeah. So the stadium in the background, where do you think that was? It looked a bit... Lucille-y. Can we see it again? You think it's Lucille?

46:02Charlie Eccleshare:I'd like to see it again. Can we have another go? Not in the spirit of podcasting quizzing, but fine.

46:08Jack Pitt-Brooke:What we believe is he's not a lover of football, so it doesn't really faze him, I don't think. He wouldn't be the first. No, he wouldn't. There have been many. So I think we've got to respect... Well, like the game, they're not interested in the game, but they were good at it. Yeah, you have to respect his decision.

46:23John Brewin:And, you know, it's easier to do it. He has a right to do it.

46:26Jack Pitt-Brooke:That wasn't as obviously a Qatar World Cup stadium as I thought. Weirdly, does that look more like the Etihad?

46:31John Brewin:It does look like the Etihad. But it could be City v Arsenal, couldn't it? So that's the, you know... Is there any other player who's retired prematurely? In fact, it sounds like retirement from international football, right? to any other player who's retired prematurely for international football recently. It doesn't happen as often as it used to, does it? By the way, I also love you saying it's at the Etihad, as if, like, where they are, when it is, has anything to do with what Richard Keyes and Andy Gray are going to be talking about. They do not operate by those kind of constraints. Well, that's very true, Charlie.

47:02Jack Pitt-Brooke:I think White is a better guess than Bale. Yeah, shall we go with that? Ben White retiring from... declining a call-up for England. Let's find out. Did Benjamin White have the right to turn his country down? Do you understand why he has? He's got the right to make any decision that's right for him.

47:17Charlie Eccleshare:Benjamin White, indeed. Well done. 4-3, Libero lead. Question 3. In tribute to your Libero colleague Miguel Delaney, who is this dubbed into Spanish? Quiero dejar claro que no quiero jugar juegos mentales demasiado pronto. Creo que quieren comenzar. Así que estaba considerando algunos hechos y después será fácil hablar de esto. On 1 November, they played against Hull City and Ferguson, the coach, received a sanction of two games and a penalty of£10 ,000 after confronting Mike Dean, the defender.

48:11John Brewin:was it that one where they told I am concentrating on the game with Hull City? No, no, that's a different rant. But it's a Rafa rant.

48:19Jack Pitt-Brooke:Well, this is the Mr. Ferguson bit, isn't it? So he was banned for two games and fined a certain amount in November for confronting El Arbitro Mike Dean.

48:28John Brewin:Yes, yes.

48:30Charlie Eccleshare:Fair play, you've transcribed it verbatim. Let's find out. So I want to be clear

48:35John Brewin:that I don't want to play mine games too early. and I think that they want to start. So I was taking some facts and then it will be easy to talk about this. November 1st, they play against Hull City and Mr. Ferguson, the manager, was too much a touchline ban and fined it with£10 ,000 after confronting Mike Dean, the referee.

49:00Charlie Eccleshare:Do you know what? I'm pleased that you got that on the back of the rustling of the papers. That, again, is great logic. Do you know what? I almost muted Ferguson's name in that to make it slightly harder, but I'm annoyed that I didn't. But anyway, it's 5-3 to Libero. We're going to question four. Who is Richard Keyes talking about here? This is all about me, me and me. Well, it might be. This is all show. Go down the tunnel. Let the lads enjoy their day. We're in the entertainment industry. He doesn't need to be on the coach and go through his coaching manual with each and every individual that he comes across.

49:33No, that's fair. Perhaps like Arteta, he should learn a little bit from previous misbehaviour and just say, I'm going to grow up and do things a bit differently now.

49:41John Brewin:Look at this.

49:42Jack Pitt-Brooke:Hmm.

49:43John Brewin:Learning from Arteta. Yeah.

49:45Jack Pitt-Brooke:So it seems like a manager who's behaved in a certain way towards his players, right? Who's a manager who's stopped his players from doing something that they wanted to do. Or a manager who stopped his players from celebrating. Yeah, he's sort of giving them some kind of coaching advice when they just want to sort of celebrate the win. Yeah, right. Exactly. Exactly that. it's got to be recent if he's saying learn from Arteta I'd be shocked if it was Pep because Keyes wouldn't patronise Pep it's got to be someone who Keyes thinks he can patronise like a sub-Pep

50:17John Brewin:the Keyes patronisation threshold

50:19Jack Pitt-Brooke:incredibly generous from you there

50:21John Brewin:yeah that was true the great it's an entertainment thing is quite an interesting very insightful point from him yeah

50:32Jack Pitt-Brooke:who's a boring who's like a boring manager who they would think hasn't won enough to be able to behave how he wants and restricts the players. It's not going to be a Moisey, is it? It's got to be some, it's probably somebody foreign. Somebody young or foreign or both.

50:47John Brewin:It's got to be foreign. I mean, come on. I mean.

50:50Jack Pitt-Brooke:Like Ruben, like a higher Ruben Sellers, basically.

50:54John Brewin:Hasn't been a lot of that recently. I've celebrated. So it's got to be over the last couple of seasons, right? Because otherwise the Arteta thing wouldn't make any sense. yeah it's surely not Schlott is it can't be no I think they're quite like I mean the only thing would be if it was Schlott after the Goodison thing that his sort of on pitch stuff but it doesn't feel right that seems totally feels wrong not Arteta obviously not it's the bit about going to sit with your coaching manual that is proper Keyesian

51:25Jack Pitt-Brooke:swallowed a laptop not Eddie Howe

51:28John Brewin:somebody like

51:28Jack Pitt-Brooke:Hertzler yeah has Hertzler done that Did Hürzler have anything like this last season? No, Hürzler's... Could it be Deserby? I mean, Deserby's kind of a... Ah, that's a good one. But, I mean, I don't remember an incident. It just feels... Hürzler's... Iriola wouldn't have done it. I think... No, no, that's all not at all. I think I'd throw Iriola. Marco Silva. Nuno. Definitely not. Emery. No. Not Eddie Howe. Who else won a game in the Premier League last season? not Ivan Uric Mussel Martin no I reckon we're looking for someone in that Herzler-Deserby space within the Keys patronising threshold yeah but I can't think of a specific example that this would relate to you're going to have to go for one Deserby did have some odd things I reckon it's that

52:25Charlie Eccleshare:should we go Deserby Roberto Deserby the answer this is from January 2024 a late, late 3-2 win at St James' Park for Pep Guardiola's Manchester City. Oh, no! There we go. Right, 5-3 it remains. You've got one more chance to extend your lead in the audio round, round two. Question five. In tribute to your libero colleague James Horncastle, who is this dubbed into Italian?

53:01Hanno hanno giocato a livello davvero basso durante la loro carriera e criticano persone che hanno raggiunto quello che ho raggiunto io nel gioco Sai Robby Savage è uno di questi

53:12John Brewin:Well, Robby Savage stands out there doesn't it?

53:17Jack Pitt-Brooke:Why was the famous bit of audio where Savage is the punchline? There's also talk about like players with a low level and stuff Something be together. There's a lot of hunter. I Why would Savage be... What's the... I'm trying to think of times where Savage has been the punchline in a famous quote.

53:37John Brewin:I mean, who would dig out Robbie Savage? I mean, apart from most of the known universe. What can anyone have against Robbie Savage? He did a fine job for Macclesfield FC. But is it a Mourinho? know, some sort of, you know, responding to some column or something that... Give it to you one more time. When parlano certe altre persone, sì, forse no, forse non ascolto, forse non prendo in considerazione il team, quando giocatori che non hanno avuto una carriera hanno giocato a un livello davvero basso durante la loro carriera e criticano persone che hanno raggiunto quello che ho raggiunto io nel gioco.

54:17Sai, Robbie Savage è uno di questi.

54:22Charlie Eccleshare:To be clear, the laughing is not dubbed into Italian

54:24John Brewin:No, that's just normal press conference Gavoring, isn't it?

54:29Charlie Eccleshare:A good question would be to Guess one of the laughers It doesn't sound like Joe Saino, does it?

54:36Jack Pitt-Brooke:Do you think it could be Obviously with Rafa, they gave a Spanish manager Talking English dubbed into Spanish Might this be an Italian manager talking English Dubbed into an Italian? Could they play the same joke twice? so Enzo Maresca

54:49John Brewin:or Enzo Maresca's never done a joke in his life not about Robbie Savage you wouldn't have thought has he heard of Robbie Savage yeah it's got to be a while ago

54:57Jack Pitt-Brooke:yeah maybe totally Conte it does sound totally Conte I can't remember a Conte Savage spat ever but you know the little bits you can make out banging on about like you know the level is low that's something that Conte always used to say but he comes to doing this football after after Savage has stopped playing was Savage manager of that derby team at the end no obviously no he was in that derby team wasn't he he was in that derby team

55:25John Brewin:he was but I mean that was Conte came in 2016 at which point Robbie Savage was fairly ubiquitous a mirror football columnist fairly ubiquitous on TV come on lads er er er

55:39Charlie Eccleshare:there you go Conte yeah Conte Antonio Conte is your answer Over to Stamford Bridge we go.

56:14John Brewin:played at quite a high level. That's pretty disrespectful.

56:16Charlie Eccleshare:Yeah, it's just a strange way of phrasing it, is it played at a bad level. Anyway, 5-3 is Libero's lead after their round two. Can we have our round two, please? So your round two, they're all footballers or football people in adverts, but dubbed into various languages. So the first one, who is this? I think you'll get this one. Who is this dubbed into Spanish? Guys, we have a problem. The boss said that a new Diablo is coming. It's famous in all the world.

56:58Charlie Eccleshare:And what have they said about him? They said that... That's Rooney, isn't it? That's the wine advert, isn't it? That's the Rooney one, isn't it? Yeah. Should we hear it again just in case? Diablo or something. Yeah. No, it's just right. It's fine. Hey, tenemos un problema. Yes, that's why we only advertise in Casiero del Diablo, some of the worst wine ever put in bottles. Right, 5-4. Question two. Can you name both of these people dubbed into German?

57:41Verfolgen und tackeln. Besonders du, Bobby. Besonders du, Jackie. Stuart Mulch. Entschuldigung, Gaffa. Ich werde es falsch machen. Den finde ich gut, ja. Wer um Himmelswellen ruft dich jetzt an?

57:53Charlie Eccleshare:Ist okay. Es ist meine Mutter. I think that's Bobby Robson. Bobby Robson was definitely in there. Oh, I think I know who it is. I know who it is. It's the Carlsberg advert. Bobby Robson's the manager and it's like, and the phone's ringing during the, no? It's the yellow pages. is Bobby Robson, Graham Taylor and Terry Venables. No, it's not. I promise you it's not. I'll tell you why for two reasons. One, he lists all the players who are playing in that team. So it's, I think, Chrissie, Chrissie Waddell and they're the players in Bobby Robson's team. Oh yeah, the one then the phone goes off in the dressing room.

58:26Charlie Eccleshare:And then he says, yeah, sorry, that was my mum. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's Terry Butcher's phone who rings. So 99 % sure that it's the Carlsberg pub team advert, like the best. Because there's also a gaffer in there. You can hear someone Yeah, it's 100 % Bobby Robson. No question. Bobby Charlton's in the team. Yeah, that's your answer. So who are the two people you're saying? Oh, sorry. Yeah, we need to do two people. Oh, well, yeah, okay. We will have to hear it again, sorry. Darf ich mal eure Aufmerksamkeit haben, bitte? Danke. Ich will, dass ihr von Anfang an voll dabei seid. Bobby, Alan, Chrissy, keine Angst vorm Abschuss, ja.

58:59Alle müssen decken, verfolgen und tackeln. Besonders du, Bobby. Besonders du, Jackie. Stuart, Mulch.

59:06Charlie Eccleshare:Entschuldigung, Gaffa, ich werde es falsch machen. Den finde ich gut, ja. Wer um Himmelswellen ruft dich jetzt an? Ist okay, es ist meine Mutter. It's Stuart Pearce, I think. It's Pearcey. Yeah, Stuart Pearce. Bobby Robson and Stuart Pearce. Is correct. And it's a Carling advert, not Carlsberg. Oh! Is it? Really? But you, I think so. No, it's Carlsberg. It's if Carlsberg did. Okay, sorry. Then I've written it down longly. Yeah. I wasn't going to dock any points anyway. Five, five. Question three. Who is this? Dubbed into Spanish. Aquí en Alsacia las cosas son un poco diferentes. Los cultivadores de lúpulo son como los futbolistas en Gran Bretaña.

59:52Jack Pitt-Brooke:Son celebrados, observados, idolatrados y adorados. Sí, se bañan en las aguas clalidas de su éxito.

1:00:02Charlie Eccleshare:All I got there was one of the best players in Great Britain. Great Britain, yeah. I thought it was the deepness made me think it was Figo. So I think like a Nike advert or something like that. He's done like Just for Men and stuff, isn't he? Or Gillette. There was that Nike Scorpion campaign around the 2000s. Oh, it does sound quite cantonary. It does sound quite cantonary. Should I hear it one more time? Oh, yeah, that is a good shout. Yeah, let's hear it again. Aquí en Alsacia, las cosas son un poco diferentes. Los cultivadores del úpulo son como los futbolistas en Gran Bretaña.

1:00:38Jack Pitt-Brooke:Son celebrados, observados, idolatrados y adorados. Sí, se bañan en las aguas crálidas de su éxito. ¿Y por qué lo? I think it's Cantona. Yeah, and isn't that bit about trying to find the best futbolers in Great Britain or something?

1:00:55Charlie Eccleshare:So, what specifically, do we need to know the advert, right? No, just the person. Oh, okay. Just the person. I'm happy with Cantona. Yeah. Yeah, go with that. Eric Cantona. It is Eric Cantona. It's the Cronenberg advert where he says, here the hot pickers are celebrated like footballers in England. Ah, yes. England, there we are. Right. Or Britain, maybe he says here. Maybe it says Britain, sorry. 6 '5", we lead. Oh, dear. Who is this dubbed into French? I am a football player. Not a cinema fan.

1:01:34Charlie Eccleshare:All I heard was cinema. One more. I'm a footballer.

1:01:46Charlie Eccleshare:It's not David Ginela and his Just For Men advert or something like that, is it? It sounds a bit Ginela. I am. So I am a football player and something like being in a film. I'm not a film star or something like that. Oh, I'm a footballer, not a movie star. I just want to feel good about the way I look. It's David Jenner. Spot on. That is David Jenner advertising L 'Oreal. Tremendous. And we did the same trick on you as you did on us and it didn't fool either of us. How annoying. 7-5. 7-5 and your final question of this round. Who is this dubbed into Norwegian?

1:02:30you've heard the crimpet on three so anything requested oh it's is it that sounds like Peter Schmeichel at the end does it advertising bacon there was that ad where he yeah he pretended to be a farmer didn't he oh yes he did he's dressed up in all kind of all the garments

1:02:51Charlie Eccleshare:no it was for a Reebok advert I think when he dressed up as a farmer yeah because they got there were a few of them involved but either way I think it's Schmeichel I don't get Schmeichel at all, but I didn't hear a single word to translate, to be honest, so I'm happy to go with that. Peter Schmeichel. That is Peter Schmeichel advertising Dane Pack. David Walker. Come on. Bringing home the bacon. Fantastic. Was he a flower salesman at Reebok? That's...

1:03:18John Brewin:Oh, I think it was Ryan Giggs. That was Giggsie, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I've got a feeling, were he selling something by the side of the road? Yeah. There was definitely something in that. He was doing the flowers, I think, and then I'm pretty sure... Schmeichel's like a farmer. Schmeichel's on the farm. Farmer, okay, yeah. Well, that was a disastrous round. We'd have to have our producer shot for that. That was far too easy.

1:03:36Charlie Eccleshare:Things can be dragged back in the final round, and we'll be back very shortly for that one.

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1:05:41Charlie Eccleshare:Welcome back to the business end of the 21st Football Clichés Quiz. Clichés lead Libero eight points to five as we go into the third and final round. Your third and final round, of course, is Happy Hunting Grounds. We're going to alternate in this final round. So one question each until we reach the denouement. For Happy Hunting Grounds, you will choose a difficulty level between one and three for each question. and I will give you a combination of Premier League team and Premier League stadium. You've got to tell me who has scored for that team at that Premier League stadium and the season in which it happened.

1:06:18Charlie Eccleshare:No answers from the 2024-25 season will be accepted. That rule will continue for the foreseeable. Right then, for question one, what difficulty level would you like? I'm assuming 25-6 is also filled out. Yes, it is. That would be mad. well we're three points behind I'm guessing they're going to get around about six points in their questions minimum so I think we need to get at least nine to have a chance so I think we've got to go threes we've got to go threes and hope we get three of the five that's the only way we've got a chance I think unless anybody's got right three then please this went so badly last time but let's do it again right your level three for question one is Leeds United at St James's Park

1:07:02Jack Pitt-Brooke:I've got nothing.

1:07:05Charlie Eccleshare:Right, well... What a passive aggressive well that was.

1:07:10John Brewin:They got relegated at the end of the 2003-04 season, so we can discount... So it's before that... Yeah, let's go for one of O 'Leary's teams because they were definitely both in the Premier League at that time. Yeah. so we're looking at a Viduka or Alan Smith Alan Smith Mark Haricule Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank had a very good season which was that was a bit early wasn't it 98-99 was the season that he was very good for them he was top goal scorer in the Premier League and then went to Atletico Newcastle that season were that's just when Bobby came in because they had a that's the they were hang on who was the manager then that was Hullet wasn't it yeah well no Hullet went in like the September or the October of 99 late September 99 after the derby in the rain so was Hullet anyway they were definitely when did when did Kenny leave Kenny left after after the 5-1 for, I think it was after Michael Owen scored for Hattrick or whatever for Liverpool there.

1:08:34So anyway, should we go Jimmy Floyd-Hasselbank 98-9 then? Does that make sense? Yes. Okay, Jimmy Floyd-Hasselbank 98-9.

1:08:43Charlie Eccleshare:Newcastle 0, Leeds United 3. Goal scorers that day. Harry Kuehl. Cometh the hour cometh the man Lee Bowyer. and icing on the cake in the 90th minute, Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank. Oh, great, John. Great stuff. That's the stroke of luck we didn't have last time. We're level. Come on, grind them down. You can see them wobbling. Come on, lads. It is indeed a tool. Right, your first question of the final round, please. So we're going to give you three clues to a person or entity. We'll explain what the entity is. If you can come in after one clue and give me an answer. And if that's correct, you take three points.

1:09:23After two clues, two points. After three clues, one point. If you get it wrong, that's it. Over, finished, dead, no points. So the first one is a person. Who am I? For three points. I was born in Tema in Ghana on the 2nd of June, 1989. So that makes him... So that's 36 or 35, born in Ghana.

1:09:47Charlie Eccleshare:35-year-old born in Ghana. 36-year-old, born in Ghana. A player? He just seems so, yeah. I said a person. Yeah, true. True. I don't think we're going to get this, so I'm happy to go with the... I think from that, yeah, we'd be mad to try and get it. For two points, I have played for Benfica, Monaco, and Vale Salt Lake. Oh, is it? I know, Freddie Adu. Is it Freddie Adu? I'm not saying that as the answer, but... And the team's worth, sorry? Just chucking out. Benfica, Monaco, Real Salt Lake. Monaco, Real Salt Lake. Yeah, Charlie, you're spot on. Did he play for Monaco? Did he definitely play for Monaco?

1:10:30Charlie Eccleshare:Benfica definitely. The age seems absolutely right. He was born on June the 2nd. Do you think he was June the 2nd? Just before me. Day-wise. Which is a sentence that people say. Do you feel a special bond? It's Freddie Adu, Jonathan Wilson. The third clue would have been, I made my debut as a 14-year-old for DC United. And the answer is, Freddie Adu. There we go. 10-8. Clichés lead. Right, Charlie. Right, interesting tactics could be deployed here. Question two for you in Happy Hunting Grounds, Libero. What? Three points again. You remember three? It's got to be, hasn't it? Three, yeah. We get 15, though.

1:11:08They're finished.

1:11:11Charlie Eccleshare:So good. Right, for three points, who scored for Newcastle at Upton Park?

1:11:17John Brewin:Okay, so Shearer's best season for them in terms of goals would be 96-97 at West Ham, who were fairly leaky at the time. Were they Premier League at the time, were they, 96-7? Yeah, they played United. United drew them to all with the Dix thrasher, if you may recall, the penalty. So that's Shearer's first season there. Yeah, when he scored a lot. they and then I'm trying to think we must have been to this game Jonathan a couple of times Newcastle there

1:11:59Jack Pitt-Brooke:I'm sure I saw some absolute stinkers of this fixture in the 2010s like Yoan Kabayi

1:12:08John Brewin:or someone scoring that sort of level of player but

1:12:19Jack Pitt-Brooke:I think unless we can come up with a specific memory of it's safer to go I mean the percentage play is to go for Shearer

1:12:32John Brewin:I mean actually I'm not sure West Ham are actually in the top division at this time

1:12:38Charlie Eccleshare:To reiterate for Happy Hunting grounds purists who are listening, they won't get half points for getting the goal scorer and then the season wrong, they have to get both correct.

1:12:46John Brewin:Okay. The

1:12:51John Brewin:Andy Cole's season, well West Ham even in the Premier League at that time because they got relegated 91-92 did they come straight back up, would they have two years there, I'm not sure Which was the great Cole season was that 94-5? No 93-94 93-4, okay I'm not sure West Ham were in the top division that time because they got relegated. Did they spend two seasons? I think they came up a bit after that with Marco Bugers in the team, but I might be wrong. Oh, no, hang on. Henry Redknapp was the manager, wasn't he? I mean, so you've got, I mean, like, okay, you're thinking of seasons where Newcastle...

1:13:33I remember a lot of terrible Sunderland-West Ham games from the early 90s, which suggests they were not top flight. so unless we've got a specific memory I mean I think Johan Kibai feels so right for this but that's a feel whether she should we say Shearer 96-7 then yeah Shearer 96-7

1:13:56Charlie Eccleshare:if you'd gone for Andy Cole 93-94 you would have had three points West Ham 2 Newcastle United 4 but you've gone for Alan Shearer 96-97 West Ham 0 Newcastle 0

1:14:15John Brewin:they were always shit in London that was the sort of yeah yeah okay yeah okay ooh that was unlucky that was Johan Cabai did score for Newcastle at Upton Park in 2014

1:14:27Charlie Eccleshare:yeah well well the score remains 10-8 can we have our second question of the final round please do we need to wait for Charlie to come back from his purse he is pissed

1:14:37Jack Pitt-Brooke:he's not a ghost Do you not see me? No, I can't see you. I've got the sort of zoom on half the screen. Oh, right. That would have been a very dumb piss. Which country am I? For three points, I played at the 1930 World Cup but have played in only two tournaments since. Okay. As in played in only two World Cups since.

1:15:05Charlie Eccleshare:World Cup tournaments, yeah. Yeah.

1:15:10Charlie Eccleshare:instinct says first Egypt and then they played at 90 and then another 2018 they've probably been back again Egypt sounds plausible were they were they in the first world cup I think Egypt came up in the last Wilson invitee quiz when there's something about them missing the boat to go to a tournament and that yeah let's get the two yeah let's get the two

1:15:44Jack Pitt-Brooke:we'll take the two for two points I am one of only two countries to have beaten Argentina 6-1 their record defeat oh

1:15:58Charlie Eccleshare:Oh, okay. Bolivia. Bolivia beat Argentina, didn't they? And then Bolivia were at... Yes, yeah, they absolutely battered them in La Paz. And then Bolivia went to the 94 World Cup. But have they been to another... I don't know if Bolivia had been to another World Cup. I don't think they have. Fuck. Maybe they did. Would you know that, necessarily? 70s or something? It would have to be super early doors for Bolivia to have gone again. was it definitely Bolivia who beat Argentina 6-1 yeah I'm pretty yeah I'm pretty sure it was it was one of those altitudey ones but Paraguay or Ecuador Paraguay have done several Ecuador have done more than that haven't they so two World Cups since 1930 yeah don't think Ecuador went to the 30 but I think Bolivia did one of only two teams to beat Argentina 6-1.

1:17:00So Bolivia could be the other team.

1:17:03Charlie Eccleshare:Do we just want to go for the point? Yeah. I'm not confident in Bolivia enough.

1:17:09Jack Pitt-Brooke:Annoyingly. For one point, I scored my only World Cup goal against Spain in 1994. I also played in the opening game of that tournament. Fucking Bolivia. Bollocks. Right. Sorry. There it is.

1:17:23Charlie Eccleshare:Yeah, Bolivia played the opening game. Yeah, that's fine. We'll take the point. it's Bolivia Bolivia is the correct answer they played in 1950 is the other World Cup oh really right three points is the difference 11-8 the score I think I know what level you're going to go for for your third question in Happy Hunting Grounds three please right level three for question three Leeds United at Stamford Bridge I mean is there something to be said for Jimmy Floyd that's something like that

1:17:52John Brewin:no rule against it. Pleads. So, okay. I mean, I'm sort of thinking of some sort of like Gary McAllister 93 sort of thing. Leeds at Sanford Bridge. It's like a grudge fixture that only they really care about, isn't it? Well, okay. So the... But I mean, Leeds were so bad so quickly after winning the title. I mean, it'd be mad to go for like Lee Chapman or Rod Wallace or somebody. Cantona, beginning of the following season. Yeah, yeah, that's true. I'm trying to think of a more recent one. When Bielsa was there.

1:18:32Jack Pitt-Brooke:I can't remember them doing anything at Chelsea when they were up under Bielsa.

1:18:37John Brewin:Patrick Bamford or someone, yeah. I mean, the thing with Leeds is you are sort of restricted by the fact they had a 17 years out, which in some ways is a benefit. Yeah, like a Noel Whelan or something.

1:18:48Jack Pitt-Brooke:I think the percentage players to look used to do what we did last time. Yeah, Hasselbank, not yet. Either Hasselbank or the sort of Viduka Kuhl. I mean, could it even be that he scored there and that's one of the reasons why they subsequently signed him? Yeah, Hasselbeck 98-9.

1:19:02Charlie Eccleshare:Hasselbeck 98-9, are you sure? Are we sure 98-9?

1:19:05John Brewin:Well, I was going to suggest that 98-9 was probably the best season in the league, wasn't it? Bowyer, what was their other good season? Was it the 1999-2001 when it's Kewel and Bowyer? I mean, yeah, it's... Hasselbeck 98-9. He's done it once for us. I've got faith in the big man.

1:19:28Charlie Eccleshare:Hasselbank, 98-99. Chelsea, 1. Leeds United, 0. Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank has never scored at Stamford Bridge for Leeds United. That means the score remains 11-8. We have a chance to extend our lead with question 3. For three points, it's a person. I made my professional debut against Rotherham in 1964 and the following year scored as Swansea beat Clannethley in the West Wales Senior Cup final. Could we have that one more time? I made my professional debut against Rotherham in 1964 and the following year scored as Swansea beat Clannethley in the West Wales Senior Cup final. The age John Toshak feels really Toshak.

1:20:12John Toshak was who I was going to say just from the age he could be at.

1:20:17Charlie Eccleshare:He's definitely a Welshman. I think he's definitely a Welshman. You'd think... Let's work out the Toshak age. So let's say he was 20 in 60s. Exactly. So he's mid-40s, born in the mid-40s. And then when he was managing Spanish clubs in Atletico in the mid-90s, he'd have been 50-odd. So he'd have been about early 50s. Yeah, which feels about right. And now he's 81-ish, around 80, which I would say, that's why I would guess John Toshak's 80. He played for Swansea, then went back and managed them. is John Toshak, please. Is that your answer? Whoa, whoa, whoa. It's John Toshak. Okay, the second clue would have been I was top scorer as Lazio won Serie A in 1973-4.

1:21:03Charlie Eccleshare:It's fucking Giorgio Chinaglia. I'm so sorry, guys. Yeah, that was... I'm so sorry. I basically momentarily forgot the format. I'm really sorry.

1:21:13John Brewin:I didn't know that I knew that one, Jonathan.

1:21:15Charlie Eccleshare:We agree on an answer, so I was encouraged.

1:21:18John Brewin:Oh, no. I think Toshak played for Cardiff as well, didn't he? I think that was the... No.

1:21:24Charlie Eccleshare:I'm annoyed because I would have been so proud to get the second one. That's a no. Anyway. So who was it? Giorgio Cinegbia, did you say? Yeah, so the third clue would have been, I joined New York Cosmos in 1976 and by 1984 owned 60 % of the franchise. I might have chucked this away, haven't I? Absolutely chucked it away. That was a question that I was discouraged from having in because it was too hard. and I only redrafted it there because we're three points behind. Which means, Jack, you can choose any of the remaining three questions for question four. Wow. Sorry, guys. Again, our lead remains 11-8 and we go into question four for Libero.

1:22:03Charlie Eccleshare:What level are you going to go for? Three, please. Right. Your level three is Arsenal at the GTech Community Stadium.

1:22:14John Brewin:and you're not allowed to include last season or this season I was at the game the day before the Queen's funeral which was 22-23 22-23 2022 and Arsenal won handsomely that day that's what she would have wanted and oddly the name ringing out and I might be utterly wrong here and it was the day when Wanieri made his debut but I think

1:22:55Charlie Eccleshare:changing of the guard there Queen out, one wary in yes quite yeah

1:23:00John Brewin:power shift the name hang on who was flying that was when they were really good when it was Jesus was playing for them, playing well. Fabio Vieira is a name that comes to mind, who's just left the club.

1:23:21Jack Pitt-Brooke:So it would have been Jesus, Saka Martinelli, front line.

1:23:25John Brewin:Yeah, and Fabio Vieira came off the bench.

1:23:31And I was on sidebar duty that day.

1:23:40John Brewin:and wrote something about them being, the Arsenal fans acting like they're on ecstasy.

1:23:47Charlie Eccleshare:Like a player who's missed a penalty in a shootout and is now sort of slightly distanced from his teammates despite having been batted on the back. No, we've still, we need to put it behind us. We've still got this. Come on, John, focus.

1:24:01John Brewin:I think Fabio Vieira, but that's the name that comes to mind. But it could be Gabriel Jesus scored early in the game because they've won well. Whichever you think. The more likely is Jesus, isn't it? Oh, God. Yeah, let's go for that, yeah. You're saying Gabriel Jesus? Which year? 22-22-23 season.

1:24:25Charlie Eccleshare:Brentford 0, Arsenal 3. Goal scorers that day for the Gunners, William Saliba, Gabriel Jesus and Fabio Vieira. Do we have six for that?

1:24:35John Brewin:Fabio Vieira was right, yes. Well done, John. I think that was his only goal. Well, that might be his only goal. He scored a penalty in the Premier League, but yeah, only open play goal.

1:24:47Charlie Eccleshare:I'm Stephen Gerrard, your Denver bar, and it's 11-11. As we head into question four. So, Jack, just pick any of the remaining questions. Up to you. Can't believe you've got backup questions. This is pathetic.

1:25:04Jack Pitt-Brooke:Which club am I? For three points.

1:25:07Charlie Eccleshare:isn't our question for you? No, that was their question for... Of course it was. You've lost your end. I've lost it. His Ed's gone. I'm completely gone. Okay.

1:25:20Jack Pitt-Brooke:It's a real have-a-word situation. Which club am I? For three points. I changed my kit in 1969 to the colours of Dallas Tornado, having spent a summer in the US representing the franchise in the early days of NASL. We're going to need to have two, aren't we? Yeah, that's...

1:25:42Charlie Eccleshare:I do know it, but yeah. Do you? Oh, wow. Yeah, like as in, at the recesses of my brain, I know how this happened. They basically went over and sort of... No, it's not. Go on, then. No, it could be... No, no, no, no. Redemption. Just say it, just say it. The club I've got in my head is Wolves, but of course they didn't change their colours. So, but I know... The Athletic have done something on this. I know they have.

1:26:03Jack Pitt-Brooke:but anyway we need the two for two points i was founded by the irish community in my city and initially had the name hibernian changing to my present name in 1923 is it an english club have we established this oh okay okay do you want it again i was founded by the irish community in my city and initially had the name hibernian changing to my present name in 1923 irish community in my city i mean could be a lot of clubs what color do you think dallas tornado

1:26:39Charlie Eccleshare:yeah that's all that's dominating my brain dallas tornado i'm big on nasl kits in the 60s and 70s genuinely um what are you thinking color wise um hibernian uh let's go for the go for the one Yeah, we'll go for the point. Yeah. Awful.

1:26:56Jack Pitt-Brooke:For one point. Although I have only won my National League title once, I have played in a European Cup semi-final and a UEFA Cup final. Only won their league once.

1:27:09Charlie Eccleshare:Semifinal. They've been in a European Cup semi-final and a UEFA Cup final. European Cup semi-final. Like Villarreal or Villarreal ever won? Or Sevilla or someone like that? None of these. They wouldn't be called Hibernian, though. the 20s would they how many it's got to be an anglophone country surely so who's only won the league once Leicester Blackburn no but they've won it before haven't they but in the old days Ipswich Ipswich is a good shout and haven't they won in the 60s I don't know doesn't feel right semi

1:27:55is there a Scottish team is there a Scottish team Villa no they won the European Cup presumably by just getting to a semi-final that's the furthest they've got otherwise it would be a very weird way to phrase it so Chad they've won the UEFA Cup or they've been in the UEFA Cup final

1:28:16Jack Pitt-Brooke:so the one point clue was although I have only won my National League title once, I have played in a European Cup semi-final and a UEFA Cup final. Dundee United? Yeah, so I think it's their Scottish club.

1:28:33Charlie Eccleshare:Yes, I think Dundee have definitely played in UEFA Cup final and they, I think... The orange one, is that Dundee? Dundee's the blue one. Dundee United are the orange one. Dallas Tornado did play in orange. This is what I had in my head and I was too scared to say it. I think Dallas Tornado played in orange. I think they did. I'd be stunned to be honest if any team changed their colours like that in the 60s but Dundee definitely played in a European Cup semi-final and they definitely played in a UEFA Cup final and are they the ones that wear orange? yes which are the ones that wear orange? that's Dundee sorry Dundee United Dundee United are in the orange they're the tangerines or whatever but the Hibernian thing I mean that could work Scottish so it does work so I mean that's the best we've got I'm trying my best to scrape it back no no that's great So just to be clear, the team that are orange are the same as the team with this record.

1:29:25Okay, yeah, just so long as we're clear.

1:29:26Charlie Eccleshare:Yes, oh, absolutely, yes. Yeah, Dundee have never threatened that business end of European competitions. So we're going to go for Dundee United. Correct. Come on. Dundee, of course, have played in a European Cup semi-final.

1:29:39John Brewin:Yeah, that's true, yeah, yeah, yeah. They have played. I mean, technically, Dallas United wore burnt orange and Dundee United wore tangerine, but I feel it's close enough. And the Wolves that you're thinking of, they actually won the American title twice, but representing two different cities, LA and... That was what I was thinking of, genuinely. Kansas City, maybe? Somewhere in the Midwest. Yeah, there was definitely an athletic piece on that and I'm so glad we've brought this back track. I think it's two players played in both... Derek Duggan, maybe, and one other? Anyway, that's...

1:30:10Charlie Eccleshare:Well, it's huge. It's 12-11 and it's the final question for both teams. I would say that keeps it in our hands, but the fact they've got this rotating cast of questions means it's very much in theirs. Yeah, who knows? I've decided that the question you'll get is question three on my sheet. Okay. I'm determined not to net Giorgio Shinaglia. Anyway, right, question five. You're presumably going for three points, are you, Libero? I think they're very likely to get a point, and therefore we need two to tie, three to win. they might get two points in which case we need three to tie i think we've got to go three it's about glory this game yeah um so i think we should we should say three and we should we should hope we can say somebody as obscure as fabio vieira yeah because that's the way to win it i agree you are definitely going for three points we are definitely over three points okay

1:31:04Jack Pitt-Brooke:chelsea at turf moore oh i uh i did i did this game in Mourinho's the season Mourinho won the league they won 3-1 there or 3-0 maybe I was thinking of a I can't work if I'm thinking of that one Only there for the season 14-15 was Burnley-Chelsea

1:31:27Charlie Eccleshare:Didn't factor in the fact that Libero between them probably went to every single Premier League game for the last 10 seasons

1:31:32Jack Pitt-Brooke:in some form I don't want to distract but I think I did this in 16-17 There was a 1-0 wasn't there

1:31:41John Brewin:where there was a Terry scored ahead they were brilliant

1:31:44Jack Pitt-Brooke:and like Pedro ripped Pedro ripped through Burnley

1:31:48John Brewin:Diego Costa as well

1:31:50Jack Pitt-Brooke:yeah I'm sure Pedro Pedro scored Pedro completed a really good counter-attacking move in 16-17 but I think you may I mean you may plausibly also be it seems like you have a really strong memory of the 14-15 Jose one I'd be slightly guessing who scored I think I remember because they brought in Matic and Pedro and

1:32:15Fabregas?

1:32:16John Brewin:Pedro didn't Pedro didn't join until the end of the transfer window because he was going to go to United Right, okay So if you've got a clear memory of 16-17 Pedro I'm happy with that But I think Diego Costa I've got a memory of him at Burnley I think Diego Costa the opening day of 14-15 But if you've got that's that's speculative Diego Costa was at 14 Yeah yeah it was the season they won the league they made the three signings that made them suddenly look excellent it was a Monday night but Jack if you're clear on Pedro 16-17 because I'm slightly educated guessing the scorers

1:32:51Jack Pitt-Brooke:I'm now starting to wonder if Pedro put in the cross and it was bundled in by a Victor Moses or someone fuck

1:32:58John Brewin:oh wow

1:33:00Jack Pitt-Brooke:I really think it was Pedro I'm sure oh my god I'm in pain now because I know this is the this is the big shot I'm sure go Jack go to your heart knock there and ask what it doth know about this game here we go Jesus measure for measure not the last bit the beginning bit I want to back myself and say Pedro 2016-17 Pedro

1:33:23Charlie Eccleshare:16-17 you're basically doing the equivalent of O-laying between yourselves in your own half there because Diego Costa 2014-15 was correct 2016-17 Burnley 1 Chelsea 1 goal score after 7 minutes Pedro come on well done right

1:33:42doesn't matter doesn't matter they need they need two points from this it's 14-12

1:33:49Charlie Eccleshare:to Liverow I mean it's been a classic whatever the result here it's been 4-3 again it has it has been we lost 13-12 last time my aim was to get to 14 points I thought that was a winning score we'll find out if I was right with this the final question the final round throughout that deliberation I thought well I've got it anyway and we've lost because I thought mathematically you'd won so anyway I'm bouncing back here here we go so a question for Stephen Gerrard and the rest of his Liverpool team the final round the final question the three points and the win I finished my career playing in a stadium named after me after me the player not me the question asker the Jonathan Wilson yeah if you were to have a stadium named after you where would it be I'd like to think the stadium will be named after me sooner rather than later one more book surely somewhere out me and Bob Stokoe face each other across the car somewhere out in Eastern Europe somewhere surely could Budapest

1:34:52John Brewin:couldn't you sponsor it with your podcast empire that would be the

1:34:58Charlie Eccleshare:bloody hell finished my career playing the stadium named after me we can do it or at least we can have a stab at this playing a stadium named after me yeah wow what stadiums are there named after players oh my god it's not a trick question is it it's something weird it's totally doable but I think we're going to have to take the two and then the draw we're not going to get it do you want the two point question no not yet I think it's recent I think it's recent-ish I don't know why because when you hear this story or you heard this story and it happened obviously your immediate thought is the ego on this person or what must it feel like to play so icon status obviously I can only think of like a Maradona or someone of that kind of status and worship level

1:36:00someone like George they did Napoli renamed it didn't they after he died

1:36:05Charlie Eccleshare:I think Samuel Eto 'o, for example. Something like that, I don't know. Ooh, like, yeah, like somebody... Something like Africa might be it. Somebody who's so big in one country. Yeah, definitely. Drogba or George Weah. Oh, yeah. But it would also require them going back to play in that stadium, which I think rules out a lot of the African players. Maybe they had their last game as a professional, as an international. At this stage... We've got to go for the two, haven't we? at 27 minutes late for work I will take the draw do you want the two point question what do you think lads I think so I don't think we're going to get it we haven't got a guess yeah go on honourable draw here if we can do it if we can get it yeah I made one international appearance for Corsica fuck off fuck off oh I can think of his Napoleon who's who's from

1:36:59he's well

1:37:01John Brewin:Tricky winger No, Phil Fullback Deponean Played like Alan Gires

1:37:08Charlie Eccleshare:That actually might overshadow my faux pas earlier on Fantastic news, Deponean There's another famous Corsican Nah, listen, you know It's an honour Are they like one of these teams That are outside of FIFA? Yeah, so I should say This is an unofficial international so they could be he may well have played internationals for a real country so French Platini so he's French he could be Italian as possible Napoleon was wasn't he Napoleon was Italian he wasn't French exactly yeah Buonaparte the club that play on Cosco are Bastia of course and Ajaxio oh Roger Miller I walked from one to the other in 2013 Roger Miller played for Bastia did Roger Miller end up playing in the Roger Miller stadium at Reunion.

1:38:00I don't think so. But... I mean, Roger Miller...

1:38:04Charlie Eccleshare:I don't mind Roger Miller, but he didn't play for the Corsican national team. He just didn't. He didn't. It's a French player, right? Probably. Who's in that? I mean, probably French. He hasn't had a stadium named after him, has he? He didn't play in it. It's all got a lot. A legendary French footballer. Or is it... Is it for someone... Ha ha!

1:38:29There wasn't a suggestion that he might be the right answer. I will.

1:38:35Charlie Eccleshare:Did Napoleon ever play? I think he may have done. Ended his career playing in a stadium named after himself. And he had one game. I sure remember a game at Turf Moor when Napoleon scored. Yeah. Roger Miller played until he was so old that it sort of makes sense that he might. Maybe he played for Corsica just for a laugh. quite plausible but I have no recollection I studied his career quite closely for a piece I wrote once and he didn't play for the course of games in any case it undermines my previous body of work if we're wrong so is there just things like French is there Jules Fontaine would it have yeah would it have been exactly would it have been named after someone or like Jules Rimet or something like yeah it's not necessarily that they're a legendary footballer but they're a legendary part of the sport shall have a land all over again isn't it yeah that sort of thing Jules Rimet Jules Rimet for example wasn't a player though was he although the Corsican national team might have been a thing did he get a stadium as well as the World Cup trophy wouldn't be surprised wouldn't put it past him this is terrible it is terrible it's terrible what are we going to go for Jules Rimet Platini feels like Michel Platini stadium but he would have ended his career playing there would he?

1:39:53Charlie Eccleshare:I don't know. But then Giorimo would have ended? Did he even play football? Italians, is there Yeah. Did he even exist? It's possible it's an Italian. What about the Giuseppe Miazza or whatever? Isn't that the name of the actual Sanchez? Yes. Yes. That is true. Yes. Was it named after him immediately? And he played super early days as well so very plausible that he was you know a Corsican national team was a thing at that I like that more than Jules Rime but only because we know that he had a stadium named after him but was it named he would have been named after him when he was playing would it well we have it's the only stadium we've got that we know definitely was named after someone I like it more than Jules Rime so I don't think it's geographically accurate enough let's go let's go with it.

1:40:46Charlie Eccleshare:We're going to go for Giuseppe Miazza. Final answer. The third clue is I played in two Champions League finals, winning the second in 2006. It is not Giuseppe Miazza and we have won. Do you want to give us the answer? 2006 Champions League final was Barcelona. So for Barcelona, oh, so is it Juli? Ludovic Juli for one point.

1:41:14John Brewin:Oh, well done.

1:41:15Charlie Eccleshare:Fair play. wouldn't have got within a million miles of that. Well, thanks to your arsenal of backup questions. It's a squad game these days. Why has Ludovic Juli got a stadium named after him? That's mad. Because he comes from a place called Mondeau-Azerg, a fourth-tier team near Lyon, a successor to Châtelet, where he began his career. Fair play. Fair play. Unbelievably, Ludovic Julli is about the same height as Napoleon. So, Charlie, in some ways, you were justified. Libero, superb quizzing. That was honestly brilliant. And Jonathan Wilson, you must feel a surge of relief, vindication, having returned to win this quiz.

1:42:02Oh, and I'm glad John was here with me as well, because he was obviously part of that. I'll talk to him. I'll talk to him. Yeah, and Jack was brilliant. It's not about me, it's about the team. It's about the lads. It's about the fans. It's about the game itself.

1:42:14John Brewin:As Keyes and Gray said about Pep Guardiola, just let them celebrate. Let them enjoy the win. What I like is the way we mapped it out, that we thought 13 was about par, you got 13. Therefore, we have to get 14. We got 14. That's the level of detail that you have to go into at top level quizzing these days.

1:42:34Charlie Eccleshare:And that's a level of intellects that we can't deal with as well. And that's libero all round. John Bruin I mean yeah it was heartbreaking last time but this must feel great

1:42:44John Brewin:oh yeah vindication a bit like AC Milan felt in 2007 after Istanbul you know when they won it I don't know who's going to remember it I don't know who's going to remember it but yeah and if they do it'll be about the crowd control issues and yeah call me Pippa Inzaghi if you must

1:43:03Charlie Eccleshare:Jack Pitbrook all we can really hope for now is for you to defy the Athletics Outside Work Committee one more time and create yet another podcast for your own means and come back for another cliches quiz. It's a good job you don't have rules about people being cup tied. Yes, indeed. But anyway, you have won 14 points to 12. It was a triumph. 14-13, I think, isn't it? Well, technically, we got that question wrong, which means we were out. Oh, that's right. Sorry, you're right.

1:43:29John Brewin:Yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry. Too generous, Jonathan.

1:43:31Charlie Eccleshare:You have emerged victorious. 14 points to 12. Congratulations to you. Thanks to you, Jonathan Wilson, John Bruin and Jack Pickbrook thank you very much thanks Adam thanks and apologies to Charlie Eccleshire and David Walker thank you and no worries cheers thanks to everyone for listening I hope you enjoyed it we'll be back on Tuesday see you then

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