In short
A mid-season international break episode of “72+ EFL Pod” (Five Live) focusing on promotion push and relegation survival in EFL League One/Two, plus key tactical themes like defensive solidity, “route one” effectiveness, and clean sheets.
Guests (backgrounds)
- Andy Woodman, Bromley manager (“Bromley boss”), leading Bromley at the top of the league; emphasizes sustainable budgeting and recruitment control.
- Matt Bloomfield, Oxford United manager (ex-Oxford player), leading Oxford’s fight for Championship survival in League One after a relegation-zone period.
Key claims
- Bromley: clean sheets drive success; small budgets mean simplifying play (keep it away from the goal, get crosses into the box); “why do it in 14 passes when you can do it in two.”
- Oxford: survival is about daily work and points; no fixed target points; January signings (Myles Pat Harris, Jamie Donnelly, loan Eunice Konak) add energy; tragedy (Amelia Applin) shaped the club’s emotional week.
Notable examples
Bromley’s recent pattern of one-goal wins; Bromley’s “Project 73/Project Champions” challenge; Leicester in the relegation zone missing a late penalty (Patson Daka miss).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOSeason Milestones and Expectations
1:30 to 3:06
Discussion about the current stage of the football season and team dynamics.
“alongside you this week as we hit a bit of a milestone in the season.”
Bromley Football Club's Journey
3:06 to 4:30
Andy Woodman shares insights on Bromley's performance and aspirations.
“You know, but literally, Woody, you can't not get excited by a title rights, by the fact you might be getting promoted.”
Defensive Strategies and Misconceptions
4:30 to 5:50
Discussion on the importance of a solid defense in football.
“just be great at what we do be hard to be be together and actually we see it you can have real success in in doing that absolutely i mean we've um we had a little spell where we kind of went away from that a little bit.”
Recruitment and Accountability in Management
5:50 to 7:27
Insights on the recruitment process and accountability of managers.
“I mean, you know, we've got the smallest budget in the league or one of the smallest budgets.”
Addressing Team Chemistry and Challenges
7:27 to 14:00
Exploration of the importance of team chemistry and handling challenges.
“But it's what you do with the ball, as that is the big thing.”
Championship Survival Discussion
14:00 to 14:40
Explore the challenges of championship survival for clubs like Oxford United.
“Sheffield Wednesday, of course, are relegated.”
Interview with Matt Bloomfield
14:40 to 16:30
Insights from Oxford boss Matt Bloomfield on the team's performance and challenges.
“So it's the first opportunity we've had to have a couple of days to really reflect on what's been and gone and what's about to come up.”
Managing the International Break
16:30 to 18:00
How Matt Bloomfield is handling the international break for player management and tactics.
“in terms of how the team looks and plays.”
Emotional Impact of Tragedy
18:00 to 20:00
Matt Bloomfield shares the emotional toll of a recent tragedy affecting the club.
“and you've got the Saturdays and the Tuesdays.”
Reflections on Relegation Battle
20:00 to 22:30
Bloomfield reflects on the struggles and camaraderie within the team amid relegation threats.
“I must admit, by the end of that week, I was emotionally drained.”
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Looking Ahead to Upcoming Matches
22:30 to 23:30
Discussion on the critical fixtures ahead for Oxford United and their implications.
“Hello, this is Matt Jolly's Urgent Questions, your daily dose of political mayhem from the heart of Westminster.”
Easter Weekend Football Preview
24:50 to 28:01
Preview of crucial Easter weekend matches and their significance for teams involved.
“that I'd be a little bit concerned that in terms of their current form, obviously really bad result against QPR.”
Musical Influences in Football
28:01 to 30:10
Exploration of how music impacts players before games.
“Yeah I have a Spotify but I don't get involved in the music, let me tell you Can I have a look at it?”
West Brom's Resurgence
30:11 to 31:36
Discussion on West Bromwich Albion's recent performance and confidence boost.
“But spring has come and West Bromwich Albion, they're flowering beautifully.”
Bromley's Journey to Barrow
31:37 to 34:08
A conversation about Bromley's away games and fan support.
“Go and follow Bromley all the way to Barrow.”
Avoiding Complacency in Competition
34:09 to 37:58
Strategies for maintaining focus and motivation in a competitive environment.
“I mean, we haven't got a massive fan base.”
Project Champions: Setting Goals
37:59 to 40:44
An overview of the team's approach to goal setting and achieving success.
“We know what we've got to hit in this next block and we're going to keep playing through till we get there.”
Fantasy EFL Updates
40:45 to 42:00
Insights and standings from the Fantasy EFL league.
“And I don't know if I'm in a position to say that.”
Oldham's Impressive EFL Performance
42:00 to 42:40
Learn about Oldham's recent success and key player performances.
“where everything got a little bit on top.”
Liam Manning's Compassionate Leave
42:40 to 43:10
Discuss the personal struggles faced by Huddersfield's boss Liam Manning.
Weekend Plans and Football Culture
43:10 to 44:00
Explore weekend football plans and the culture surrounding matches.
“So we wish him well and obviously Huddersfield as well for between now and the end of the season.”
Transcript
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1:24Aaron Paul:Hello everybody, welcome on to 72 Plus, the EFL pod from Five Live Sport. Great to be alongside you this week as we hit a bit of a milestone in the season. It's that last international break and then it's the long slippery road down to the end of the season. Alongside me, as ever, my trusted right arm is Joby McEnough, who's nodding away like the Churchill dog. How are you pal? Yeah, we said it's a long way down. I think there'll be a few, maybe some around with us today hoping it's a very nice journey upwards but yeah i think we get to this stage of the season and it's time to restock refocus obviously in the championship league one league two still plowing on as they do without any breaks but uh yeah i mean every single season we sit here at this point and look at all the tables take stock and just marvel at how much there is still to play for top of the table playoffs and at the bottom so uh cannot wait for jody sits and surveys over is kingdom, is EFL kingdom.
2:21Aaron Paul:And I'll tell you what, if we were allowed music on podcast right now, we'd be playing The Only Way Is Up because Andy Woodman, Bromley Boss, is with us. Top, top, top of the league, as Barry Fry used to say. Yeah, good morning. How are we? Yeah, we're good. But let me tell you, I've gone for every permutation possible. So you're looking at a table. I've looked at every single permutation and points and results and what I think we need and everyone else needs. I'm glad you say that because what we do get a lot of at this time of the season, you know what's coming, Aaron, isn't it? Oh, we just got to go.
2:49Warren! It's the biggest lie ever. Right, exactly. I know you were glued in to the game last night, weren't you? Absolutely. Didn't miss a minute. Didn't miss a minute.
2:56Aaron Paul:Fair play. I saw Alex Neal on Saturday, the Millwall boss, and I was like, look, I know exactly what you're going to say, but come on, like, you know, this is exciting. And he turned around and he goes, look, it's exciting for you. I've got no hair left to pull out. I was like, fair play, Alex, mate. You know, but literally, Woody, you can't not get excited by a title rights, by the fact you might be getting promoted. it's a great place to be in yeah it's fantastic for us I mean we shouldn't really be anywhere near it you know on paper so really in that respect there's no pressure on us only the pressure we put on ourselves and we have put pressure on ourselves because we know we're close and it will be quite an achievement for Bromley Football Club to be in League One for sure 1-0 to the Bromley boys each of your past five wins have been by a one goal margin don't need to do it a fancy way scoring goals is it's just overrated really if you see this play you'd know you're definitely doing it with a fancy one.
3:48I can tell you that. It's just about results at this stage of the season. I mean, it's an old cliche, but literally just getting results, just keep churning out the games and making sure that the gap stays where it is. Andy, just on that, and it always fascinates me because I'm with you and at this stage, that is all it is about, is getting those points that you need to get you where you want to get to. Do you think there's a bit of a snobbery in the game around being defensively solid? I always bang the drum for it. And actually, when you look through the league, tables championship mill doing ever so well been really secure most clean sheets lincoln amazing in terms of what they've done obviously yourself sitting top as well and i love that because there's no sort of oh well you know we need to try and be something other than ourselves let's just be great at what we do be hard to be be together and actually we see it you can have real success in in doing that absolutely i mean we've um we had a little spell where we kind of went away from that a little bit.
4:46Only marginal, but it was really sort of clear to me that let's just be the best version of what we are. And basically, in simple terms, keep the ball away from your goal and cause as much pressure and chaos around your position goal. And I know that sounds really basic, but it's a basic game to me. And we have simplified it. And I've always said from day one of my time at Bromley, clean sheets get you success. And we've got clean sheets in abundance. But it's not at the expense. I think that's the misconception. I think people think that is the expense of then at the other end of the pitch. But you look at your goals, I think your fourth highest goal scorers in the league.
5:20You know, you put teams under pressure, exactly the same with Lincoln. And what I would say about yourselves, if you ask any team that play against you, they know they've been in a game. You know, it's not possession for the sake of it, which I see so much of. And particularly lower down, when you are asking players, I've played at the level that potentially aren't quite good enough to take the ball in certain areas, play under pressure and deal with situations. So you've actually taken that away from them a little bit as well. And, you know, for me, I just feel that there's a real misconception in the game that, you know, being solid means taking away from the attack.
5:51I think you're exactly right there, JB. I mean, you know, we've got the smallest budget in the league or one of the smallest budgets. So we can only attract a certain sort of player. And, you know, the player we attract, I want to take away all the complications away from him, that he's got to play out from the back, get it off the keeper, etc, etc. And we play to a certain way. It's not quite as direct as everyone thinks, but it's effective. We make sure we put crosses in the box, every opportunity the ball goes in the box, and it's effective. And I think as a supporter, I think supporters are now getting a little bit tired of seeing a goalkeeper play into midfield, a guy jump on it, a goal against.
6:30So as a supporter, I think we're turning out entertaining football and winning football.
6:35Aaron Paul:I quote Dave Bassett saying this all the time. why do it in 14 passes when you can do it in two? Watch the point. It's effective. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I mean, it really is that, you know, get it to the wide man, get it in the box. How many times have I said the jokes, make route one football sexy again? But Aaron, I'm with you 100%. But there is, again, I do think there is this sort of viewpoint, but by doing that, you're not still coaching. You're not still working on the training ground, working on those details. It's, you know, quality to get the ball into an area. It's making sure you've got bodies.
7:09It's timing of runs. There's still so much to it to make it work and be successful. And I just think it's important that we have teams like Bromley, not just because he's sitting here, Lincoln, Michael Skabala, what he's done. And again, if you looked at the possession stats, you're talking about a couple of lowest in the league. I think your second lowest, Lincoln are the lowest. But it's what you do with the ball, as that is the big thing. And there's no better components of that than the man sitting right here. And just to jump on what you said there, I mean, it isn't that we just put them out there and just say, kick it in the corners and get on the pitch.
7:39I mean, there's quite an art to what we do. And, you know, to get players to get that art form right and the weight of passing the area, when it's going to go in there, when the player's going to make the run, and then all the other components of overlapping runs, support, et cetera, et cetera. There's a lot more to it than just that.
7:56Aaron Paul:The moment someone brings the big man, little man combo back up top, I'll be happy. I'll die a happy man. I will. the last team I saw that was Barnsley we're a big man big man we're talking about Shefty Coochie pre-show Shefty Coochie I mean he come to Newcastle for a little period when we sold Andy Carroll and lovely guy Shefty lovely guy but you know I think he played about 15 minutes I'm not sure if he scored but I know when he got on he might have scored I remember the celebration with the team they were buzzing because he was such a lovely fella he went to Newcastle and then afterwards he went to Oldham I mean, mad.
8:34Aaron Paul:Olden, Hibs, what a guy. A Finland international. Not prolific, necessarily. You play with him as well, didn't you? He was at Palace with me. And yeah, not prolific, I think, would be fair. An absolute powerhouse. Just like real physical. He's one of them, like, he pulls his top off, mate. And you're just sat there. He was sculpted. Looked like he was straight out of a bodybuilding competition, didn't he? Like, just unbelievable. and that was so funny with his celebration because he was such a big boy but he did the dive I don't know if anyone remembers it but he's got a run on you normally get the Klinsman slug but he went up in the air and then just bang and then you could almost feel the vibration because he was so big so yeah top fella fantastic lovely lovely guy by the way that Barnsley front two was key for Moore and Corley Woodrow oh wow in 2018-19 they're promoted from League One under Daniel Stendhal who's the little one there?
9:29Aaron Paul:Corley's not massive he's not a little one And he's not little, but Keith, he's the big boy. When I'm little, I'm talking David Connolly type off of a big man. I'm talking Andy Johnson. Mamadou Tiam. Oh, mate. He was going to run in. I'm going to David Speedy, but I'm saying that. I'm going to go right back in the days. Kerry Dixon and David Speedy. That's how I might add. Victor Adepaiejo. Victor Adepaiejo. They had five or six strikers. I was going to say, that's what he did really well, wasn't it? He'd bring then the two on. Love it. Just last 20 minutes and then just carry on pounding away.
9:57Aaron Paul:That's what it's all about. do you know what again with League 2 and I know we're going to lean on it heavily because you are here and we will talk championship on the pub Matt Bloomfield the Oxygen United boss will be with us but someone asked me last year what is what do you need to get out of League 2 and I was like you don't need you don't need you know star quality throughout you need five or six individuals doing the basics very well or well every week. And just being a bit consistent, you can drop points, but you can get out of there. I mean, I'm not sounding the expert of it by any stretch of the means, but what we've put together is a team of legs and energy.
10:41We have got a team of giants. And we've got a real togetherness in the group. And I know people will say that, but we have got a togetherness in the group of players from the beginning of the season right through to now. I mean, they literally do everything together, these guys. it's like it's quite funny they arrange I mean they're arranging a barbecue for the rest of the club they're arranging their own barbecue that they're doing themselves for all the staff that work at the club I mean that's something else off their own backs and they do everything together these group of boys and I think that carries you a long way team spirit I really do
11:14Aaron Paul:I mean in terms of the actual people behind the scenes at Bromley I think one thing I've learned about sort of like you know the past couple of years coming down and seeing you guys is the people just fundamentally were really really nice very welcoming and very hospitable. Tell us about the chairman because he doesn't really, you know, come onto programmes like this but he's put his money where his mouth is. They're doing things organically as well. Yeah, I mean, the chairman's a self-made man. He's a workaholic. You know, let me tell you that. He's got his hands on everything so he's not one of those that steps away and leaves you to everyone else.
11:48He's pretty much a businessman and wants to make sure that the club's sustainable and that's what he said for me from day one when I took the job. This is your budget. I won't move away from the budget because I want the club to be sustainable. And he stuck to his word, by the way. He hasn't come away from the budget at all. Just on that, I mean, you talk about, you know, the squad and the togetherness. And another thing that blows my mind at times when I speak to managers in the game is probably the lack of say they get now in recruitment. How big do you have in terms of, you know, you want a player?
12:20It's got to come through you, right? I mean, you're the one who's controlling, you know, that environment and what those players are going to bring to the table. Yeah, you've made me smile there because we had a meeting the other day with the chairman and he was, one of the scouts was in there talking about a player and the chairman was saying, the hardest job you've got as a scout is convincing the manager to take this player. And I think that's important because my name's, you know, I'm like the pub landlord. My name's above the door, really. So, do you know what I mean? People forget that. You know, and if I just go on a whim, if someone's telling me he's a good player and he's not, I'm going to be fuming.
12:54I haven't done my homework. So literally every player in that football club has come through me via someone telling me something or someone at a club or someone at a football club saying, have a look at this player. But I will do my due diligence. Do you think that gives you more accountability then for that player? Because again, I think what happens and what I see is coaches, which a lot of them are now, rather than managers, that can turn around and go, listen, weren't my choice. We're not quite getting the best out of him or he hasn't quite been what we want. So not wash their hands of him, but I think when it's on you, you're the one who's given that ultimate green light.
13:24You're the one who has to really make sure that that works. Absolutely. I mean, and that's why I really do make sure I know everything about the player before I sign him. And I must say, Jamie, that's not to say I've got it wrong. You know, I have got it wrong. And there's one thing that if I sign what I think is a bad egg or that's not going to fit into the group, I will hold my hands up and I'll get rid of that player straight away. And I did that, I won't say when, but there was a time that I signed a player and literally after six weeks I rung the chairman and I said look, we've given this player a two and a half year deal I've got this wrong and we literally, in the right way, we didn't just freeze him out and run him the old fast way we moved him on and I said look, you're not going to be part of my plans you're not kind of what I thought I was getting here and we moved him on and I think that's the important thing that I can hold my hands up to my chairman and say I've got this wrong rather than try and make it right when you know it's never going to be right and if you get one bad egg in the group it can ruin the whole lot
14:14Aaron Paul:let's zone in on the battle for championship survival. Sheffield Wednesday, of course, are relegated. Then you've got Oxford United on 39 points. Leicester City on 39 points. Portsmouth on 40 points with a game in hand. Delighted to say we can speak to Oxford boss Matt Bloomfield. Blooms, how are we? Very well, thanks. How are you? Yeah, all good, thanks. International break. So time to take stock, I'd imagine. Yeah, absolutely. I think especially since it's been really intense period since we've been at the football club. So it's the first opportunity we've had to have a couple of days to really reflect on what's been and gone and what's about to come up.
14:47So for me, it's an ideal opportunity for us to get on a training ground and work.
14:52Aaron Paul:I mean, that race of survival is so tight down there. What's it been like from your perspective? It's been great since I've been here. It's been fantastic. We've really had a go in terms of all the games we've been involved. And we've actually been really good defensively. We've kept ourselves in the games and we've thrown some punches. We've got some points on the board. We've tried to really evolve the way we're playing. I think there's been some really positive signs of improvement over the last, certainly the last five games. So we're really pleased we wear out and we're just hungry for more improvement to go and get the points that we need between now and the end of the season.
15:30Matt, great to have you on and I absolutely concur. I've covered a couple of your games recently and I thought you'd been absolutely fantastic, obviously off the back now going into this break against Southampton, who are probably the form team in the league. But in terms of those results and the real positive performance, how much belief and I suppose new energy is in the group off the back of, you know, some brilliant performances of recent weeks? Yeah, there is some good energy, Joves, because, you know, as a football club, we've been down this part of the league for the whole season, but the lads understand the fight and the grit that's needed to get ourselves out of it.
16:05But, you know, they've also had a couple of fresh faces come into the building in January. And some of those boys are in the team now. We've had Myles Pat Harris and Jamie Donnelly come in January. They're now in the team. Eunice Konak on loan from Brentford. He's now in the team. So we've got a little bit of fresh energy amongst us as well to really add to the good experience and the senior players we've got. So it's a nice blend. We're certainly nowhere near where we want to end up in terms of how the team looks and plays. but we're on that pathway and we're working really, really hard to get there as quickly as we possibly can.
16:38Great bounce for you since you've been in there and you've got some tasty fixtures coming up. Have you set yourself a target, the team a target, of what you think will keep you up? No, I haven't, Andy, for the main reason being that I just think that, you know, this time of year we all look at games and we think, well, they're going to beat them or they're going to get beat by them and, you know, it's such an invariable time of year. I'm just more one for, mate, Just every day, like, can we get training right today? Work hard tomorrow, get that right. Let's come out of this international break better than what we're going into it.
17:11Let's attack the Good Friday game against Hull. Once we've done that, we can prepare and go to Pompey. It's just, for me, it's not looking too far ahead, mate. I've just got to try and keep putting the days back to back. It's a really short time period that we've been in the building. So, you know, historically, you can look at the numbers, right? We all know, you know, we all go into a football season. You're going to need around 70, 72 for the playoffs. You're going to need around 50 to stay up. You know, that's just because we've all been in the game for so many years. But in terms of looking at it this year, I just, you know, every game is worth three points.
17:41We're going to go after as many as we can. This international break, you look across all the leagues and I think for some teams it, you know, comes at a good time. Maybe others that have got that real momentum, you know, want to keep going. How do you view this international break and how are you managing it in terms of that balance between getting a little bit of a rest, actually doing the work that you really need to do, which is hard when the season's in full flow and you've got the Saturdays and the Tuesdays. How have you tried to judge that over this period coming up? Yeah, it's not easy because we've got some lads that have been going at it for 10 months.
18:10We've got some lads who have maybe not played first half of the season and need to keep going. We've got other lads who are off with Northern Ireland and Wales and here, there and everywhere playing international games. So it's about concentrating on the boys that we've got in the building, who needs what, which players need to take a breather, which players need work, what do we need tactically to improve the group, what can we do with the ones that we're missing? So it's just really just trying to take an overview of where we've been, what we need between now and the end of the season, just going after the work, mate.
18:37Aaron Paul:In terms of taking over mid-season, I mean, you were quite vocal about the fact that, you know, this job felt right for you. It had a good gut feeling. Where are you in terms of stylistically right now? And what's the ratio between style and needing to just win at all costs? I think when you're fortunate enough to have a job over a period of time, your style can take a hold and you can go after exactly what you would like the team to look like. When you take over mid-season, like I have done, I've done it four times, it's all about results, especially this time of year. And I think that there's a lot of style, I think, is possibly for people wanting it to look like the team they want it to look like.
19:19For me, it's just about trying to create a team that can put as many points on the board as possible between now and the end of the season and doing it in a manner that I believe is correct. But it's all about substance at this time of year.
19:33Aaron Paul:The club has suffered tragedy as well. Like the horrible news of the passing of Amelia Applin. I just want to know what it's been like being in that environment and having to be a linchpin because that's what you are as manager. You are the custodian, you're front and centre of it. And, you know, you have to lead those tributes and represent the badge? Yeah, it's been a really tough couple of weeks. You know, as football managers, we're just humans trying to go about doing our job the best we can to meet her parents on the Monday after the tragedy happened on the Saturday and to have two home games that were so heartfelt and emotional in that following week, Wednesday, Saturday.
20:18I must admit, by the end of that week, I was emotionally drained. It was a really tough week, But what I went through is nothing compared to her parents. My heart just bled for her parents, you know, to go through the tragic circumstances that they had to go through losing a daughter. I'm a father of two daughters myself, and it was just heartbreaking to see her parents. And as a football club, you know, we wanted to make sure that we paid our respects in the right manner, both on and off the pitch. and I think we did that and you know Amelia's family will be friends of our club forever we hope that we hope that they're doing okay
20:57Aaron Paul:I think the whole Oxford United family really has come together in the most poignant of ways Matt so you know there should be a tremendous amount of credit poured on the football club for that just back to the football are you enjoying it I know no one wants to be in a relegation tussle but are you enjoying the role and are you enjoying being at the football club and working with the players every day Yeah, I knew the situation walking into the job. I knew that we had a lot of work to do. I've loved every single day we're going after it. And we believe that we have enough in the building to do what we need to do between now and the end of the season.
21:30But the only way we're going to get there is work. And yeah, I think anyone who's been in the industry a long time, Andy knows the only way you get results at the other end is to work hard on the way in. So we're trying to do that. And yeah, we're certainly giving it everything we've got and everyone in the football club's pulling together. We're going to need every one of our supporters, everyone of the players everyone around the club to be really roaring us on and supporting us between now and the end of the season I know the Oxford community are pulling together and loving being a part of it mate Great stuff Matt you know I really hope you keep them up and obviously being an ex-Oxford player I know what a big club it is you know keep it going and keep that hard work going mate because I think you'll get your results and get across the line I really mean that Good luck to you too Thank you
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22:11Aaron Paul:There's a lot to look forward to Matt as well new stadium so plenty on the horizon for Oxford United to best of luck, as Woody says. We're all behind you. So, yeah, good luck, Matt. And thanks for joining us on 72+. Really appreciate your time. My pleasure, gents. Take care. Matt Bloomfield, Oxford boss, with us on 72 +, the home of the EFL from Five Live Sports. Hello, this is Matt Jolly's Urgent Questions, your daily dose of political mayhem from the heart of Westminster. Order, order. I call Matt Jolly. I'm a supporter of flags. It turns out time is finite. Government doesn't want to be involved in this.
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24:21Aaron Paul:you come back and we're at Easter weekend. Which, again, we know is absolutely pivotal. And I think when you look at some of the games that they've got, you know, that Portsmouth one, you know, looming large. Obviously, they've got Holes first to obviously having a really good season. but it could genuinely come down to those matches against those teams in and around. They're huge. I know the term six-point, it gets thrown about a lot, but they're absolutely massive. Portsmouth at the moment, they are the team that I'd be a little bit concerned that in terms of their current form, obviously really bad result against QPR.
24:56Concern is an understatement. Yeah, so they're the ones that you are looking at and I know you do take it game by game. I get that, but that is 100 % one of the games that everybody in that squad's looking at going we need to win that game if we are going to stay up that's got to be three points it just has to be you know because then you're you're clawing them in as well and you know putting them in bigger trouble so massive massive easter weekend coming up i think they want a good performance at home hopefully get something out of that which would set them up for um you know which again is just a massive game because they've got some tough ones after that derby going for the playoff rexham going for the playoffs um they have to play a whole derby rexham milwall in the last
25:35Aaron Paul:that could be a mega game that Portsmouth game the energy of the supporters as well will be really important because the Portsmouth supporters, their energy is quite down they're quite angry and disgruntled whereas the Oxford fans, you can tell that they're revitalised by what Matt's done there, so the supporters will really play a role in that, and that could be the difference. And again when you're going into these periods off the back of varying results, obviously they both lost but because Oxford United had had that good run up to them you can kind of almost go right let's put that one away it's against a really good Southampton team they were better than us fine you know but let's look what else we did whereas the Portsmouth this two weeks now is going to be the longest because it is doom and gloom it is you know 6-1 against you know a team that you know I know they won the previous game but we've spoken about it they are on the holidays with QPR do you know what I mean so I think to have that QPR are the most consistently inconsistent team I've ever seen in my life.
26:33Aaron Paul:The worst thing is, but did you see, so me and my pal, we looked at it, and I'd read a stat on the Saturday that said that they had six touches in the Portsmouth box, and he turned around, he goes, did you watch it? I said, well, no, I was at the game that I was at, and he goes, mate, we've got to watch the highlights. We sat and counted the touches, and we were like, this is what, they were great goals, they were great, great goals, but some of the defending was, again, Benny Hill, Benny Hill-esque. Talking about teams getting big results, West Bromwich Albion, what a resurgence under James Morrison.
27:06Aaron Paul:I mean, I didn't... It's that spa day, mate. That spa day. Would he... Did he hear about that, would he? You want your players... Wait, took him on a spa day? Yeah. Took him on a spa day. I text Jed Wallace. He turned around. He said, Village Hotel, mate. Swim and sauna. Bit of a change of scenery. I said, Jed, you were straight on with the cucumbers. He said, no chance. You know what? We stayed at the Village Hotel around about Christmas time. I can't remember who he was playing. I'm going to say Walsall, but it might not have been. And there was a take that tribute band on there. I saw the team hanging around watching the Take That tribute band.
27:35So a spark day might be one thing, but we had a Take That tribute band, which done us a world of good that night. What's your favourite Take That song, Jibby?
27:41Aaron Paul:Back for Goods. Would it? Yeah, Back for Goods is my favourite. That's the only one you know, isn't it? No, I love a bit of Take That. What kind of music are you into? I like a bit of everything. Do you know what I'm into at the moment, which will make you laugh? I'm into a bit of Madonna again a little bit. Oh, wow. Is that getting any plays in the dressing room? Well, the funny thing is, they've started playing Lucky Star, because they keep saying, I'm lucky. so that's become a little bit of a feature It's amazing where you get a little tune when you're on these runs and that becomes the sort of go-to and like whatever the song is and that is obviously yours at the minute it gets flipped on and you're like right this is it lads as you look back on, again there'll be songs that I look back on now in my career Stick with promotions Do you use a music app on your phone?
28:24Aaron Paul:Yeah I have a Spotify but I don't get involved in the music, let me tell you Can I have a look at it? You can, yeah. Feel free. You need to do the, when they do the raps, you know, the Spotify raps. This would be interesting. Can I look at it? I want to look at what is Spotify. I think this is a new feature we've got over here. Let's go on Woody's Spotify.
28:45Aaron Paul:I don't know what you've come across. Okay. I know that there'll be a map out there. There are some interesting, interesting searches on there. Last search, Ed Sheeran, great tips. Oh, yeah. A bit of Ed Sheeran. And a bit of Ed Sheeran. So when you need to chill out, you've had the stress of the game. Do you know what I mean? I sometimes put my earphones on on the way to a game and I normally, this will make you laugh, I normally put a little bit of Abba on just to chill me out. Is there any Abba in it? There's no Abba in it. No. Top 20 Coldplay, greatest hits. Yeah, I'd Coldplay a little while ago going to a game.
29:18Aaron Paul:Hopeless romantic love mix. Yeah, that's when I was going to my romantic stage. I think that's where I got a result when I was all lovey-dovey with the team. Nice. Just to let you know that the top track on that is I Don't Want to Miss a Thing on that hopeless romantic love mix. Next searching in Woody's Spotify is Bruno Mars' greatest hits. He's got a good one out there. Yeah, Bruno. Don't mind a bit of Bruno Mars. Dolly Parton. Love a bit of Dolly. Rhythm of the Night, is this Love of Marley. Big tune. And I'll cap it off by saying he's twice searched and once saved Angels' Robbie Williams, which is an absolute tune.
29:57Aaron Paul:Very, very eclectic. I don't know. That's a nice little feature. I like that. We're onto something, hasn't we? Yeah, absolutely. James Morrison. So, I don't know. We sort of fully digressed on the spa day. Gem Wallace had the cucumbers on. West Bromwich Albion, though. Now four points above the drop zone. I never saw this coming. This sort of like, this blossoming. But spring has come and West Bromwich Albion, they're flowering beautifully. Well, the big thing about both of those games, clean sheets, something we've touched on. And again, when you are in a battle, you know, being hard to beat, and I won't ever get bored of saying it because it's the fundamental thing of, you know, how do you then get that confidence to start coming back?
30:38And it might be, you know, and listen, they were really close against Southampton. They got pegged back right in the last couple of minutes there. That could have been a killer blow. But, you know, to come back from that and then now find those couple of wins, again, they will be going into this break now absolutely bouncing. You want the next game to come because the confidence that, you know, So that feeling back in the dressing room, you know, is absolutely massive at this stage. So, you know, as you say, massive credit to James Morrison, because there was a few eyebrows raised. You know, was it a situation that you need a bit of experience?
31:09Someone who's been there, clearly their appointments prior to that haven't gone anywhere near how anyone would have hoped. So, you know, again, someone who knows the football club inside out. And sometimes that is what it takes. You know, how do I get the best out of this group of players? And at the moment, he's had a really positive upturn the last couple.
31:26Aaron Paul:Let's drop into League One. It is, of course, the international break. Still plenty of games to look forward to in League One and League Two. And if you support a championship or even a Premier League club, go and watch your League Ones and your League Twos. Go and follow Bromley all the way to Barrow. In fact, last season when you did play Barrow... That is a long trip, that, though, isn't it? When they were playing Barrow last season, I caught Byron Webster in a service station. That's right. Do you remember? We bumped into the service station. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He didn't bump into he's a bit of a stalker like that.
31:58He follows the manager in that round mate. Anything for an interview.
32:03Aaron Paul:I was following the Bromley coach all the way to Barrow. Actually that's what you know that's one of the 92 I haven't done and it's really jump at the coach for Saturday you want to work at the Duke Rivers. That's why you might want to sit out. If I can get a seat on the bench I will come with you. I will cancel my game I'm going to Reading on Saturday. Are you doing Reading? Okay. I wouldn't put you through Barrow honestly. I just wouldn't. I need to tick it off. I mean, it is a journey. You don't. We had them in the National League. And like, again, I mean this with the greatest respect and probably, you know, my career and, you know, never thought I'd be going to Barrow for a game.
32:36And then towards the end of it, it's sort of like, you know, we're in the National League. It's just so fun. It's not just like there's clubs that are really north. So like a Carlisle, for example, if we're Southern base, which obviously we are talking here, but it's just up. And then it's just across four miles. Beautiful, beautiful area. in terms of the surrounding areas. But it was just so fine. Anyway, we end up getting promoted thinking, brilliant, not going to have to go back there again on a Tuesday night. And then a season or whatever later, they end up getting promoted. I've got to go back there.
33:04And I'm like, oh no, I can't escape them.
33:06Aaron Paul:He's hoping they get promoted, Bromley get promoted just so you don't have to go there. Honestly, I mean, it's a long, long way. Last year, we stayed in a beautiful hotel right on Lake Windermere. So that was really nice. And in the morning, it took about three or four players out on a boat. We was on the boat on Lake Windermere, which was lovely. But then we went to the ground and that was a completely different experience. Can I just say, sorry, just one point I'll have to make and actually was a great thing of playing a little bit lower down towards the end of my career. And we went there on a Tuesday night and I joke about it.
33:35Listen, we get the best treatment. We're getting coached up there. You know, we're staying over if we need to stay over, properly looked after. And, you know, you get off the bus on, again, a Tuesday night and you see the fans that travel up there and you're just like unbelievable. Amazing. You know, the effort that they make, you know, the expense, the time. So, yeah, shout out any of the Bromley fans that are going to be making that trip. And again, I think sometimes they maybe underestimate how big a help that can be when you step off that bus or that bit of time in the game where you need that bit of a lift and getting to share that after, hopefully after a good win.
34:08They're just brilliant moments. Joe, it's been massive for us. I mean, we haven't got a massive fan base. You know, we're quite new in the league. And our away fan base has grown and grown and grown. And I can't tell you, and I know everyone says this as a sort of cliche, our players are so appreciative of our fans that go Newport last week and even more collectively when we get a result you can see the players are generally buzzing for those people that have spent the money and time to go there and I really am quite proud of my team of players like that because I generally know that they really are chuffed that these people put themselves out for that
34:43Aaron Paul:and they have impeccable service station conduct I saw no one with a tray which is very very good no one needs to be getting a tray for a meal in the service station. Everything has to be in a cardboard box and out of there. You might have mismade in it. Well, funny enough, I text him because I said to Barrow and I was like, where's your gaffer? And he's around here somewhere. I text him and I was like, you've gone for a burger. I might have been asleep. And you've gone for a burger. He's like, no, no, no, I haven't, I haven't. Could not find him anywhere. Could not find him anywhere. And I taste the gaffer as well.
35:13Aaron Paul:Anyway, Barrow would win just one win this calendar year. How do you make sure there's no complacency? How do you make sure you had a banana skin? Yeah, I mean, exactly that. It's a tough game. You know, I think the margins for a team, top and bottom in all the games, it just comes down to margins. And I think it's just making sure that we don't come away from what we are. You know, that's really important. We stay playing how we are away from home because we've got a way we play away from home. And I think also we prepare the lads to know that it's going to be an ugly, horrible weather day probably.
35:41And if it's anything more than that, then it's a bonus. And just, I'm in a real nice position without tempting fate that, you know, I've got a group of players that just, they don't get complacent because, you know, you've mentioned Byron Webster's. Byron Webster's keep the group, you know, on their toes and keep them all sort of tuned in. So, you know, hopefully with all of that and a little bit of luck on the game, we'll go to Barrow and hopefully get the result that everyone expects us to get, but we don't. You know, we know we've got to earn it. Just on that not getting complacent, because it's a very easy thing to say when you're sitting in a position you are and you've got a team who has really been struggling.
36:14I just want to ask you about Project 73, as it was originally. And then now that's been turned into Project Champions. Yeah, I mean, at the beginning of the season, I always do a sort of goal setting. And I do that not with just the team, with the whole football club, you know, the chefs, everyone, you know, they make them all a part of it. And that's something I've always done. So we've got a target that we hit as a group and as a staff, everything. When we got, we called it Project 73, we told no one outside the building. It was kind of kept sort of quiet. Don't let anyone outside the building know this because you know what it's like.
36:45Yeah. People on the outside jump on it and then they start ridiculing you and then they up their game against you. Once we got close to 73 and we knew there was a lot of games left, I already started calling it Project Champions in-house. And then I got asked about it on a radio or TV interview. And, you know, I've seen managers say, we're just taking every game as it comes, and I've got no problem with that. But I wanted to sort of, you know, be more honest and more, you know, and be there to be shy a little bit. and also want my team to follow suit with me. And I'm saying, look, we're top of the table.
37:21Why are we going to just take every game as it comes? We want to be champions. And if we fall short of that, Joby, then listen, we've still had a great season. But I want the guys to buy into it. And I set a little challenge to him last week. We had three games in a week and I laid it down to him. If you really are serious about being champions, you have to win these next three games. And the point is, they churned out three 1-0s. and credit to them and they've had the buy-in to it as well. So as much as I get the plaudits for the Project 73 and the Project Champions, you've got to have a team that buys into it and they've done that and we've got another block of games coming up.
37:59We know what we've got to hit in this next block and we're going to keep playing through till we get there. Let's finish with this. 72 plus, 72 minus on the Football Daily.
38:12Aaron Paul:Yeah, it's time for Joby's best and worst the EFL moments of the week. Who's on your radar, Jobes? I'm going to kick off with my 72 minus and club that we've already spoken about on the show. Leicester City in the relegation zone. They really need to start making things go for them so they can't be missing penalties like this one from Patson Daka. Daka steps up. A very straight run up as things stand. Arms on his hips. Moves to his left. Strike and goal. Hits the post. And a brilliant save by Selvig to tip it onto the woodwork. Four minutes to go until half-time. Patson Dacca misses a penalty.
38:52Aaron Paul:Yeah, Joby, you're 72-plus this week, please. Well, it's very much time for me to give a little bit of love, not just because of our studio guests today, to the goalkeepers and one of the saves of the season. If you haven't seen it out there, please get yourselves online and check out Millwall's Anthony Patterson with a brilliant reaction save in their game against Ipswich Town. Good pressure from Town. Shot from Neil. Blocked off. Finished. Oh, what a save from Patterson. It was superb from Athon from what? Eight, nine yards. Patterson, though, flung out a big right hand and somehow got it over the bar.
39:31That was superb goalkeeping.
39:33Aaron Paul:Can I just build, by the way, on the back of that and ask you, Woody, Alex Neal has made one heck of a decision because Max Crocombe came in as like number three. They've had injuries. They've had all sorts of problems with goalkeepers. But he made a call to bring in Anthony Patterson. You're not bringing Patterson in to sit on the bench. And his debut weren't great. I'm not going to lie. I was there with his debut. It was against Sheffield United, I want to say. It wasn't great. But to make that call, to get rid of Crocombe and replace him was huge. But that was a big save. Big save. And look, Patterson, I'm a big fan of Patterson.
40:14He played against us when he was on loan at Notts County a few years ago. And he was unbelievable. And I've followed his career quite closely, you know, in the sudden season, the promotion, etc. He's a solid goalkeeper. Solid goalkeeper that I really think could go, you know, to the very top. And, you know, Alex Neal has been brave bringing him in. And obviously Dean Thornton there, the goalkeeping coach, has probably had an input in that. And, you know, what a great signing. I think he's been a fantastic signing. I ask this with respect.
40:43Aaron Paul:Why did he not play for Sunderland in the Premier League? Yeah, that's something... I've got my own view on that. And I don't know if I'm in a position to say that. But I think if I was Paterson and I was his coach, and I have been a goalie coach, so I feel maybe I've got the credentials to say that. I think he just needs to just, from the outside looking in, he really just needs to tide himself up. And when I say that, I mean, lean himself up, look super athletic. He doesn't look super athletic. I'm not saying he looks overweight, but he just, when you look at some of the keepers, they look super athletic.
41:17And I just think he just looks a little bit probably on the eye, not like a top goalkeeper. When I've seen him play and he is a top goalkeeper.
41:25Aaron Paul:Anthony Patterson, you are an absolute hero. Let's talk fantasy. No pato in our fantasy EFL teams. Big congratulations to Superdons 1988, top of our list in the league. The first team to break 3 ,000 points. Woo. I've got a solid 13 points. I've kind of resigned. 13? Yes. You mean 130? Yes. That's a typo in the script. I've slipped down into bottom 10, but fear not, we are on the charge. We are going to be working our way up. Joby, you broke the 100 point barrier this week. Well done. Well, I actually remembered to change my team. I had a little lapse for a couple of weeks where everything got a little bit on top.
42:03Yeah, it happens. Oldham, mate, put your money on clean sheets, lads and ladies. Anyone out there listening, that is what you want to be doing at this time of the season. So a couple from the Oldham players. Goalkeeper, Matt Hudson, with coming up big for me. Notts County with a win, but then they lost as well. And then Donny with a couple of wins. So yeah, all good.
42:23Aaron Paul:Oldham, the form team in the EFL right now. five wins in a row unbeaten in 10 surging towards the playoffs the code to join 72EFLPod 72EFLPod if you like me are already preparing for next season I'll give you the code throughout the summer just before we go on 72 Plus Huddersfield Town boss Liam Manning has been granted compassionate leave for the remainder of the season the League One club said in a statement that the decision was made after Manning made the club aware of ongoing personal matters relating to the tragic passing of his newborn son Theo in October 2023 24 from our family to the Manning family um look we we say good luck Liam we are all with you he's a diamond diamond human being um just look after yourself mate yeah listen I think this is one of those times where you know personal issues and your family come way way above football and you know the most important thing is that he has the time that he needs and it's really tough I I remember reading an interview by Matt Taylor actually about the personal tragedy that he had to deal with and him juggling that with trying to manage a football club.
43:28So we wish him well and obviously Huddersfield as well for between now and the end of the season.
43:33Aaron Paul:Joby, where are you this weekend? I'm actually at a tournament. My little boy's got a tournament down in Cardiff. I say a little one, it's a pretty big one. So we're going to go down there and watch him. I might try and pop into a game on the way down, possibly Reading. So you might even see me, seeing as we're in set pool. but the last two games we've both been at you haven't bothered to see me so I'm not sure if I will we won't be in the same seats though because you'll be what director's box hobnobbing I'll be slumming it in the media seats no I like the normal seats do you? yeah they've got a nice padded seats although I was amongst some Arsenal fans for the Carabao Cup final and that got a little bit tasty towards the end of that game they weren't best pleased I can tell you that much I bet that was fun Andy?
44:14Barroway? yeah Barroway probably in about five minutes just look out if you see ads lurking about any service stations
44:23Aaron Paul:I'll be sat outside the ground just thumb up if I get on the bench and he's already sat on the bench I know he's seriously I'm going to dust off the old Puma Kings mate don't worry I'll be ready I'll put the boys through their paces gentlemen thank you so much for joining us Woody always a joy to have you that is it for this episode of the Football Daily Astros here on 72 Plus the EFL pod we'll be back next week by the way Championship fan Premier League fan whoever you support go and watch your League Ones and Twos this weekend enjoy we'll catch you then I'm Rich Hall and this is Sports Strangest Crimes presents Confessions of a Super Bowl Streaker when people ask me what I do I say to them well by day or by night the story of one man's mission to conquer the Holy Grail of streaking the Super Bowl Mark Roberts is too lively for this body.
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Aaron Paul, Jobi McAnuff & Bromley boss Andy Woodman talk all things EFL. Oxford boss Matt Bloomfield also joins the pod to talk about their battle for Championship survival. Andy also talks about how his players are planning a barbecue as they edge closer towards League Two promotion. Messages and voicenotes always welcome on WhatsApp to 08000 289 369.
01:55 Excitement building for Bromley potential promotion, 06:40 Big man little man partnerships, 08:55 What do you need to get out of League Two? 10:10 Transfer recruitment with the chairman, 13:00 Oxford boss Matt Bloomfield LIVE, 21:50 Easter weekend around the corner, 24:30 West Brom resurgence continues, 25:15 Andy’s varied music taste… 29:00 Preparing for a trip to Barrow… 33:45 Keeping ‘Project 73’ a secret… 35:35 72PLUS 72MINUS, 40:25 Best wishes to Liam Manning.
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