72+ EFL Pod: Foxes flop & Ed Still interview

0:0072 Plus, the EFL podcast with Aaron Paul and Joby McAnuff. Hello, welcome to 72 Plus, the EFL pod from Five Live Sport. With us as ever, my right arm, the EFL's premier pundit, it is Joby McEnough. What have I done to get a nice intro from you? I thought we'd come on and get a bit of stick for missing a show where I'm double booked. You don't like it. Come on, I'll show you love, you don't like it. I'm here for it. I think we're coming to a mutual partner of the waves at some point. Oh my gosh, are you putting that out there? Yes. wow this time of the season with like managers in trouble and a bit of discontent amongst fans and that's a bit of a worrying statement I've got to say to actually come out I normally what we normally get is the vote of confidence I would actually be a bit more worried if I had that but you've actually turned it around the other way Lyle Taylor doesn't complain when I show him love in fact he goes on other podcasts and tells people how good I am wow okay it's a nice way to start the pod I was really looking forward to this week I've got to say We've got a brilliant guest, haven't we?

1:04So, can we just get him in? We have bagged ourselves at January sign. It's taken a week or so to get the deal ratified, the old international clearance, and sought the work permit from South East to West London, or WC, wherever you want to call the BBC. And we've got him registered in time to feature today. The Millwall midfielder, Massimo Luongo, is the latest name in through the door on 72 Plus, the home of the EFL from Five Live Sport. How are you? I'm great. I'm great. besides being injured, but I'm enjoying the whole process of it. Talk to us. You did your ASL in October. I did my ASL, funny enough, against QPR.

1:39My return in the little London derby on TV. Yeah, one of those things happens. Glad it's happened at the end of my career rather than in the middle or the beginning. But I am 13 weeks post-surgery. I am, which is weird, I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying the process of this long rehab because I'm at a club where I'm really loving it. They're really loving me. They're supporting me. I live around the corner, and I've always lived around there. So it's just worked out really well. I've had a baby. So I'm around a lot more now. I'm focusing on my coaching so I can get in with under-15s at the moment, under-16s, anything else.

2:23I'm doing the co-commentary for Millwall, which is how I spoke to you about this. And I'm loving it, yeah. The rehab's tough, boring, but it's just part of it really. Great to have you on with us. Let's go straight into it. A feature interview with the new Watford boss Ed Steele will be here on 72 +, but we have to touch on last night. Southampton's extraordinary comeback from 3-0 down to beat Leicester 4-3 at the King Power. And it kind of just sums where things are with Leicester at the moment. Yes, if you wanted, probably 90 minutes to sum up their whole season, not just what's going on at the club.

3:03That was probably it, because we have seen flashes, which you would expect with the quality they've got in their team at points this season, which clearly were on display in the first half. I mean, to go 3-0 up and you're thinking, could this be the turning point after the week that they've had? And then the second half collapse and to concede so late on and in the manner they did, The amount of goals they did, again, shows to me what has been lacking all season, a lack of togetherness, spirit, leadership. And that only happens, you know, that kind of result and conceding that many goals when there is that in and amongst the squad.

3:40So, you know, big questions. And it's been a terrible, terrible week for Leicester. I feel social media in the past week or so has become a very, very mean place. Jamal LaSalle's taking it from supporters of other clubs at the moment. But it isn't just on him. Mas, when you look at a team that's 3-0 up, cruising, sticks it in cruise control, Ole's ringing out, and then you go and get a beat 4-3. How do you even sum that up? I think it's probably the end product of so many warning signs throughout the season. Because as soon as they got the six-point deduction, I thought, are Leicester, probably not because of the position they're already in, but are they the team?

4:19I'm talking more about individuals and in the dressing room are they the team to band together to really fight it out you know to work hard for each other to have each other's backs probably not they've got so many good individuals and probably a lot of them will be looking I've been in dressing rooms like that will it get toxic maybe but are a lot of their individuals thinking I shouldn't be here can I get a move can I leave this is just from in the background the result I think just sums that up you're 3-0 up you're probably thinking oh can I get another one how many goals can I score today and then when it got a little bit tough do you float or do you sink and unfortunately they sank so I'm not sure I've been there before but yeah that is it just sums up pretty much the whole season Well I think you're spot on Massimo because that is my question when I look at the table I look at some of the teams down there with them and we all have seasons where you have an expectation so for example you know a Portsmouth, a Blackburn and Oxford I think we'd all feel at the start of this year you know they're going to be down there and if they survive brilliant well done but they would be prepared for what type of football you need to play and the mentality you need for a relegation bout.

5:33Leicester City completely on the other hand and even with the six points and with the squad they've got I still think they should be at the top end potentially pushing for a playoff place with the quality they've got in their squad so now they've been flipped from and it has been in limbo and I think it has been difficult knowing it's over their head but now to be literally entrenched in a relegation battle with teams down there that are ready and willing to fight for each other, that is where I've got to ask the question of Leicester City you just have to have a look at a couple of their next games you know, in the league, Stoke away Middlesbrough away, Norwich who are flying by the way, what a turnaround Ipswich away I mean, we could be sitting here going in three, four games, they haven't picked up another point and if teams around them then do all of a sudden that last sort of 10 or 11 games that is when the big questions will be getting asked to that squad I just don't understand why it's taking so long to find a manager even if it's someone who's going to sit and take you to the end of the season I mean Nigel Nigel Pearson is there I know he said he's retired and what not but go and get someone in who absolutely loves the football club you know it looks like Blackburn Rovers are going to make an appointment pretty soon But I'm looking at those clubs in there from Oxford all the way to Charlton and thinking, who's got the fight?

6:53Who can go and grind out results in a relegation battle? And we're talking about it in the Premier League as well. Look at West Ham United, how they've turned things around. Four weeks ago, they were dead and buried. 100%. Cooked. Done. Stick a fork in us. We are cooked. Now, people going, yeah, Nuno's turned this tanker around and they're looking upwards. But this is the championship. It's a different beast. 46 games it's not 38 it's the ultimate football marathon and I'm worried for them I am not just worried I am petrified and I don't want to say my key phrase Jobes I don't want to get the BIT up because I don't know I don't know if they are BIT yet Aaron just take one look at that last night to be 3-0 up and lose 4-3 there is only one outcome I'm going to let you go call it call it Leicester City sitting here this morning are bang in trouble.

7:45They're BIT. They're BIT. Take us to a dressing room point of view, Mas. If you are a Leicester player right now, you've got Andy King, bless him, club legend, who's trying to do his best but obviously is not ready for a situation like this where you have to be on the battlefield and right entrenched in it. What are you thinking? Hopefully, you're hoping that there aren't clicks. You're hoping that you've brought in a lot of foreign players. are they with the team or are they just with the other foreign players? Are you hoping that the English players or the boys that have been in the leagues for a long time they're not just sticking with the English boys and moaning about the other players that's what you're hoping.

8:22I think if that is the case whoever comes in has to rely on one or if there's three, four groups, you've got to pick a side and just focus on that just to get over the line or, which I think they'll do, no problem, they're going to pick up points and they're going to score goals because they've got such a good team they're just falling short all the time probably because people can't be trusted or people just haven't got enough to probably, it's their mentality it's just their mentality yeah, okay, it's a massive club if they were top of the league, I think they'd fly they'd be flying, because all the boys would be full of confidence the players would do what they want they would be as big time as they can be and if you're going to produce on the pitch you can do whatever you want outside the pitch but when you're not producing on the pitch and you're still doing all the other stuff then there's a big problem and I think especially the boys in the EFL that have been here for a long time, they will notice that straight away.

9:16That's when it's just a little bit of toxicity trips. I don't know. I'm going to disagree with you and I'm going to say that the toxicity has been there for a long, long time. I think that lack of off-field strategy is a big issue, like you say. And listen, clearly there's been some big issues to get over some unforeseen ones that have affected the whole of football, but it's then how do you react to that and I just don't think they have. I think you go back to recruitment, clearly a club that has been up and it's been down. I think some of the players they've got in, I think it's a bit of a fat cat syndrome.

9:49I think you're in a situation here where you've got players there that are on contracts. I'm never against people earning money. Like, listen, we've all been there. We've done it. You earn as much as you can, but there has to be a level performance based on what we're hearing. Some of these players are reportedly earning and at the moment it is falling way short of that. you know and I just feel that there just seems to be a bit of a a niceness around the football club I felt that with Marty Suentes a few times they'd lose games and he'd sort of stroll onto the pitch he's doing the arm around the shoulder stuff and I'm thinking nah like if I was a player and supposedly a top player for the level and I'm losing games just because you know we're not together or we've switched off or it's a poor goal I wouldn't want the manager coming up you know and then I go right what's that dressing room like are people actually going in there saying this is unacceptable because I think you drift, you drift, you drift.

10:37And before you know it, you are in the situation they're in. And I don't think they do have the characters to get out of it. They've got the ability from an individual perspective, but do they have the collective group and mentality that is needed to get out of this situation? If they do, it will only be down to the fact they have got quality in the group, Aaron. And if they do, they'd be very, very fortunate. None of that quality is shown. None of that quality. It has in fits and starts. And when I say individual, it's not been anything. I've never really watched them go. I can see from a coaching perspective, it's been Fatah Wu smashing one in.

11:13You cannot put an elastoplast over open heart surgery. Correct. Very simple. And I think that's what is needed at this football club from top to bottom, really. But the wind is open. Yeah, and they've got fortunate with the six points, by the way, which we've hardly even come on to. I mean, realistically, when you look at some of the punishments other clubs have got, you know, in the Premier League or, you know, six is, they've got away with one there, mate. So imagine that was nine points. So they've got to be looking at it as it's like, hang on a minute, lads, how many opportunities do we need to turn this around, get ourselves safe?

11:49And then from a club perspective, clear the decks and go, right, what do we need to take us forward? Because it isn't this at the moment. Let's just hear from the victorious Southampton boss, Tonda Eckert, who joined us live on Five Live on Tuesday night. Tough after a game like this to find the right words. Two very different halves, obviously, but very, very happy the way we bounced back and showed the character. You know, you're coming at halftime, obviously you just need a reset then. The boys decided to have a proper go and we did in the second half. Tonda, you just come across so measured.

12:23I feel like that feeling that you exude. Maybe that comes across in the team in the second half. You know, it was all very calm, measured, got themselves back in the game and then three goals in the last 10 minutes. Yeah, well, I wasn't so measured after we scored the fourth goal, but had to stop halfway through. Now the emotions are starting to settle down a little bit, but an unbelievable night. I think we are not going to have many of those. Tonda Eckert speaking to Nathan at Auburn after his side's 4-3 win at the King Power. It's the first time a team in the championship has fully blown a three-goal lead since Leeds in 2010 when they were 4-1 up at home to Preston North End before losing 6-4.

13:03Just, just, just, firstly, Massimo, your best, your best comeback? Oh, I haven't done three, I've done two. Although, we were 4-0 down against Birmingham and we came back 4-3. Penalty last minute, Naki Wells missed it and we lost 4-3. But, for QPR, that was, that was incredible, that game. Like, 4-0 down, good, 4-0 down, we were terrible. Changed at half-time, 4-3, equalised, missed, blew the whistle. That's probably the best, even though we didn't win. I'm the opposite end of the spectrum. I don't know if everyone out there remembers the Reading against Arsenal, 7-5. Oh, yeah! In the League Cup.

13:42And that was an interesting night, to say the least, because the gaffer made a few changes. So a few of the lads who had been starting, myself included, Pavel Prokrogniak, on the bench. so roasted, rotated I was thinking at the time we'd had a terrible start to the Premier League probably not a bad one to sit out with Arsenal coming before we know it, 1-0, 2-0, 3-0 we're 4-0 up in the first half and everyone's like lads that are starting you need to slow down a bit because we're not going to get back in the team When you got in at half time you're 4-0 up Oh just before that, no so this is just the point, so Theo Walcott then scores just before half time and again if you'd have said to us before the game 4-1 at home to arsenal you're taking it all day long but there was just an unease as we went in just something that didn't feel as if it had been 4-0 and you go right this is game over so we come out for the second half you're saying well done lads at half time mate buzzing like could not believe because we don't think we'd won a game in the premier league so far that's like that season so we're all like brilliant but there was a little bit of a disappointment that we conceded anyway still 4-1 go out for the second half they score about 60 minutes 4-2 so anyway not edgy edgy but then the gaffer gives it the look round to a few of the senior lads and he's like right skip you know get yourself on just need to see this out bit of experience and all that and i'm like oh

15:10so um come on the pitch now and uh we actually had a decent spell um sort of saw a bit of pressure out nothing really major going on so we're all thinking right done job done still 4-2 89th minute they get a corner bang so now we're like panic station i think four minutes had gone up so we're like right we've got to get through obviously the goal so there's a few more minutes so we're fighting they're pushing 96th minute they go and get another corner 4-4 we are like oh how have we messed this up it is just carnage so you're thinking that's it done go into extra time and they go 5-4 up, thinking we've lost all the momentum.

15:48Can I just say, there's a quicker way to tell this story. I'm just telling you. All right, go on. So we go 5-5. We're like, it's going to go to penalties. Everyone's getting ready for pens. Last minute of extra time, they go and get another goal, and then they go and get another one. 7-5. Craziest night of my life. What did they say to you afterwards? You know, again, that's the funny thing, because you go in, and normally if you've given up a lead or, you know, you're raging, and people are pulling each other apart. It was just a stunned silence, just a disbelief that you've been involved in what was just absolute carnage, really, mate.

16:23So, yeah. I mean, he's taken up five minutes telling us that story. That's fine. You featured in one of the greatest ever games that the EFL's ever seen, which was the 5-5, Swindon and Sheffield tonight. I have watched that game so many times. I don't think you realise, like, on television, like, late at night, they'll just whack that on. Yeah, it's always on. They'll whack that on. It's brilliant. And the amount of times I've been just, I don't know just sat there away Swindon Sheffield United yeah go on there we love it look at this that was a mad game it was incredible well we 4-2 up John Obeka scored the fifth goal and I see fans at 90th minute at 5-5 about to storm the pitch and we had a throw in down our end and I'm thinking sit down relax like don't jinx it please and they're like come on they want to run on and they're going to flood the pitch and I just all I thought was oh It felt like every time someone went to attack, they scored.

17:17And we just couldn't afford another attack against us. We weren't a defensive team, though. No, you shipped a lot of goals out there. We did. A heck of a lot of goals. I mean, that could really help spur Southampton on for a playoff push. Just one point off it. And they've had their sort of troubles. But again, the form's great. Four wins in five. Southampton are we talking about? They're a good team. They're the best team I've played in the championship when I went up with Ipswich. they were obviously different manager but they are the players individually are are unbelievable like we were trying to nick their players when we went up to the prem in for ipswich and mind you a lot of their players physically they're they're premier league players so when you have the form and you have the physicality and they're fit this is the time of the season where you see the progression and and the momentum kick in and then god knows what will happen towards the end for me the big thing was sorting the defense out which he has done in terms of being a lot tighter up until last night.

18:09And that would have been the worry for me if they hadn't have got anything out of the game. You know, like Mass has just said, they have got quality all over the pitch, you know, in that team. Obviously, Flynn Downs coming back in, being a lot more regular of late. Siennes has been brilliant. They've got Tom Fellows. I mean, he's a seasoned top players for the level. So it, for me, was a matter of time. And they are going to be the ones that I'm watching out for in terms of getting into that playoff spot with a late run. What about Middlesbrough? on Monday night Borough went top for the first time since mid-October six wins in a row and what Kim Helberg has achieved at your former club Mass is mad don't like to talk about my stint at Middlesbrough but it was we've all got one of them Mass don't worry about it that was interesting that's another day Middlesbrough they honestly patterns running detail everything is top it's it's so so good to watch honestly I just I put it on the other night and it was nice.

19:08It was nice to watch. And everything's just sticking. Okay, you're full of confidence. You're at the top of the league, but everything's sticking. They're running hard. You've got people underlapping, overlapping, full backs coming to the middle of the pitch and it's just set in for them perfectly. They're the best team that I've seen this year. Yeah, I have to concur with that. First half in particular. And again, going to certain games and seasons where you go, right, they've had a good run, but let's see how they do against this team. And Sheffield United at home have been absolutely on fire.

19:37So I thought, listen, I'm expecting them to go. I didn't even think they'd even go out and maybe be as offensive as they were because I thought a draw for them was a decent enough point. You know, got a massive game coming up next week as well. But to go out and basically just say, we're going to take you on, we're going to go toe-to-toe and we back ourselves to come out on top against what has been a very good Sheffield United team of late. You know, he picked up on some of the things that he's done well to transform the team that was effectively a really defensive, solid, organised unit in the space of time that he had to honestly the free flowing one touch the link up the way they connect in the middle of the pitch outstanding and really really good to watch we've spoken at times haven't we Aaron about maybe the quality this year in the championship particularly early on in the season not being at the level that we come accustomed to I think this last sort of 15 games or so and hopefully that game's really one that sets it off is going to be really really enjoyable to watch they've been brilliant under him.

20:35You know, we've had him in the studio a couple of times and genuinely, man, he's got that balance of, obviously, the tactical know-how and, you know, but he's quite light-hearted. I think he gets it. He gets English football. You know, I was speaking to him the other week. They went to Stoke on a midweek and, you know, he referenced that we can do it on a wet, cold night midweek at Stoke. You know, little things like that that will just give him that bit of buy-in in amongst the squad. And, yeah, listen, all things pointing towards them carrying on what has been, you know, a terrific run. I'm looking forward to the summit meeting Monday night under the lights at the CBS.

21:06I'm going to be there. You going to be there? I am indeed. Yeah, looking forward to that one. Coventry. Oh, oh, that's all I'm going to say. I mean, yeah. That's going to be like a bout. That's a heavyweight. This is a heavyweight title. This is... Again, I'd be interested to see how they approach it. Land some punches. I'm trying to think. This is a heavyweight of Joshua being Coventry, who's probably not had the best of runs against who's coming up ready to take his title. Don't be dancing around. Don't be sort of like, you know, just sort of like, you know, side to side, that kind of stuff.

21:36No, land blows. Land, land. Just have it out. You've got to be careful. Eat them, just have it out. Who wins that? Just have it out. United did that. They came out swinging and they got knocked out, mate, because Middlesbrough were better. And I just think Coventry have to be really careful because what's been the big problem for them of late is too much space in behind. You give that to Middlesbrough, mate. They are going to be. I think Middlesbrough can mix it. They can suffer for periods of the game. Coventry rely on their goal scoring but they can, they can score goals but when it comes down, as I said if you're going to go for a brawl I think Middlesbrough has a tougher chin to be honest From a small village on the banks of the River Nile Everybody call me Mohamed but it's her name or nickname they call me Moh To the biggest stages of world football Salah is more than just a player he's an icon A symbol.

22:30A king. It's 6-0! And Salah rips off his shirt! Mohamed Salah represents a dream. For Egyptians, for Muslims, for Africans. More than just a football player, he gave us hope. I'm Kelly Cates. This is Sporting Giant's Mo Salah. Listen on BBC Sounds. 72 Plus, the EFL podcast with Aaron Paul and Joby McAnuff. I mean, ideally, being a Millwall man, you want Middlesbrough to do something there because you're currently six points behind Coventry City. Yeah, granted, there's, what, three places between you. But it's going quite nicely at the den, isn't it? Yeah, it is. It is. We are... We have this...

23:19Joby, you could probably comment. There's a little joke going around. We celebrate 50 points. So we are very much a team that celebrates 50 points, even though we're in the playoffs we're like oh we're safe now so milestones we're doing little milestones at the moment and we're not really looking at the table because come on math we're not we're not every oh okay the senior figures aren't because every time someone talks about everyone's like relax relax we've got who have you got coming up we've got portsmouth after that we've got tough games leading up to ipswich we got three tough games leading up that will create a mentality for the running and when the running comes all right then we look at the table and we look who's where they are and stuff like that but that's really interesting yeah because i would sort of almost do it the other way around of like for me you are pretty much there right you've got a nice little cushion now it's six points and you've got a and that's just till to sick but i'll be looking like you know what do we need now to make sure we're in the playoffs and you look traditionally it's you know 70 72 maybe like now you've already got 53 points right so it's just really interesting to hear from inside the camp and what that mentality is you know you know yes you stay up 50 points but that is the bare minimum meal we should be doing so it's like right how do we now make sure that we do continue what has been a fantastic yeah but you're forgetting a lot of the players okay take manager aside take the new signings but a lot of the players that have been there for a longer period of time, they've suffered where they shouldn't be.

24:50They've come up with a team, they've been flirting with relegation, and they've been fair play to the whole establishment, but they've been slowly building, but they have still got fresh wounds of what it's like to be down the bottom. And once that's clear, now we can look forward. I've been in the last couple of years, you know what I mean? Well, I mean, barring that season on Joe Edwards, where, I mean, that was just an absolute shambles. Yeah. They brought Alex Neal in for a reason, but take us into his mind, because interviewing him, he's the most unflappable human being I've ever met in my life.

25:20You could turn around to him. You would have won 9-0. Yeah. And he would have gone, yeah, but you know, we just focus on our jobs and that's it. Okay. Cheers, Alex. Well, he's... We just focus on our jobs. He's obviously distilled that in the squad because that's exactly how he is. Yeah, really happy. Blah, blah, blah, blah. But you know, just focus on it. Cool. Nice one out. Thank you. You get nothing from him. But I really respect that. He's staunch. He sticks to his values. he does his thing he's a winner he's done this before and I think that's what everyone sees and I look at those teams in the playoffs and I think I'd want him in my camp because he knows he's experienced he's been there he's got the t-shirt I don't think I've beaten an Alex Neal team in my career no one likes playing an Alex Neal team no but this is in the camp we don't feel like a typical Alex Neal team when I go speak to my mates that are on the other team that we played against we think they come in thinking how do we lose to them how do we that's the narrative of the whole season they're whatever they're not good how do we lose that game it's because of us because we were bad it's never because Millwall were really good and so we're really buying into that and yeah yeah it's a really interesting point you're in it now so that would be the outward perception we did a Millwall game a few weeks ago against Charlton and they were brilliant do you think because of that stigma it's not actually telling the true story because you lot play some Don't get me wrong, you're solid, you don't give up a lot defensively, but now what I think he's really done is adding those layers to that.

26:50Femi Aziz has been absolutely brilliant this season in terms of that attacking out there. You've got Ivanovic bringing the likes of Barry Bannon in. Do you think you don't get the credit in terms of actually what a good football inside you can be as well at times? I think the people behind the scenes at other clubs recognise how good the players are actually doing. I think as a whole, we've still got that Millwall label. Which is fine. I think we're almost buying into it because we're going into games. Alex Neil will say, you know, we're not going to go gun home and press because we want them to risk it.

27:21We want them to try and outplay us because when we win it, we'll go and score. So we're using that to our strength at the moment, which obviously is benefiting us. But it's crazy because I think Charlton game is a little bit different because it's a derby and Charlton were struggling at the time. But we're going into games and we're thinking we played really well. And I speak to my mate saying like, how have we lost to you guys? Well, you have, obviously, because we were the better team. But it's never that narrative, which is, I think, right up until the end of the season, it'll be a shame if it continues.

27:52But we'll take it at the moment because, obviously, the manager's buying into it and we're using it to our strength. Oh, Barrington Banner, he's a good footballer, isn't he? Baz is the best. Baz is good. And the recruitment's been top. I have to take that. The recruitment's been really good. He's such a good footballer. Yeah. He's such a good... I was there for his debut at Sheffield United game. Yeah. and the dynamic of the game changed completely and he sat there and I was watching because Alex was speaking to him for about three or four minutes on the side and I was like what are you saying to him then I realised it was basically go and affect it there go and affect it there go and do what you've got to do so at one point I'm like why is he on the right oh he's gone why is he on the left why is he down there and then he was going and you know this man's 36 years old it's like having an old sports car because he's supremely fit yeah his quality see the way he runs man And granted, he's got the build for it.

28:43He's a small man, but he's got the attitude. I watched him first touch. He's gone. You've got the Monks chant booming around the concrete jungle at the den. And he's there, and he's pointing at players where to move. And you're like, man, this guy's brain is good. I think he's such a potential game changer. I've already said to people, if Mill don't go out this season, it'll be next. That club will go to the Premier League very, very shortly. They're doing everything right. They're doing the right steps. like Steve and the chairman, they're doing really good work behind the scenes. And Barry's just like, we're seeing a Barry Bannon without the weight of Sheffield Wednesday on his shoulders.

29:18We're seeing a free Barry Bannon, which he can, where the manager's really good to just let him do what he does. And he's finding it a little bit tough because maybe he's not getting the ball every second. At Wednesday, boys used to go right, he'd call it, give it back. Like, oh, Barry wants it, give it to him. Here, it's like, he's actually given us the respect to go and I've got to do a job for the team. And he's doing it. And he does what the manager's told. but we have so many different angles of attack that he's only going to improve probably what we are not as strong in which is if a team sits off how are we going to break him down and mind you he works so hard managers put him at the moment in that little number 10 role where he's sort of joining the strikers in a 4-4-2 but he just goes wherever he wants and gets on the ball he's class, he's always been class and he's a great guy for the dressing room that's one of the big bonuses I bet he is, it's 36 years since Milwa in the top flight like Teddy Sheringham and Tony Cascarino with the front line there before the Premier League was even the thing.

30:13And I'm telling you, the club is set up. It's ready for success. Let's push on. Watford have a new coach. And it is Edward Steele, the brother of the former Southampton boss, Will Steele. He's 35, previously assistant manager at Anderlecht, and has managerial experience in the Belgian Pro League. But this is his first job in England. And I had a little sit down with him this week.

30:43Ed, welcome to the Championship. It's so good to have you with us on 72+. And first and foremost, just to make Joby McEnough's head bigger, I gather you're a listener. I must admit that I am. I've listened to both of you a fair bit over the last few years. How do you feel about being the subject of one of our shows now? I take it as a compliment. It means that we're in the Football League and I'm in the Football League and the Championship so I'm now delighted. Take me past the sort of I mean take me through the past sort of like 24, 48 hours what it's been like. Yeah it's been a whirlwind I think there's a good word for you.