72+ EFL Pod: Fuchs fighting & Leicester’s ‘last chance’

15 Apr 2026 · 49 min · 27 chapters

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In short

The EFL promotion and relegation race heats up. The hosts discuss Ipswich Town’s shock 2-0 loss at Portsmouth (ending a nine-match unbeaten run), Leicester City’s relegation fight after a 1-0 loss to Swansea and Gary Rowett’s “last chance” comments, and Newport County’s survival push under Christian Fuchs. They also cover Southampton’s surge under manager Tond Rekker, plus League Two/One ownership and financial-rule speculation (West Brom points deduction risk; John Terry consortium for Colchester).

Guests (backgrounds)

Joby McAnuff (former professional footballer; now EFL pundit on 72+). Massimo Luongo (Millwall midfielder; recovering from injury). Christian Fuchs (Newport County manager; former Leicester player, ex-Premier League winner).

Key claims

Ipswich lacked “fight and desire” at Fratton Park; Leicester’s players “aren’t fit to wear the shirt” and may be mentally checked out; Newport’s turnaround is driven by attitude and adaptability; Southampton’s post-Arsenal-game momentum is decisive.

Notable examples

Portsmouth’s Mili Ali as an outlet; Leicester’s elementary goals conceded; Southampton’s rotation after Arsenal and wins including against Wrexham; Newport’s late-season survival context; West Brom alleged financial breach.

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Chapters

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Rejuvenated After Holiday

1:14 to 2:14

The hosts share light banter about holidays and their activities.

“Welcome along to 72 Plus, the EFL pod from 5 Live Sport, with time ticking down on another Football League campaign.”

Millwall's Weekend and Injuries

2:14 to 3:54

Discussion about Massimo Luongo's experience and Millwall's weekend activities.

“I'm not quite in the same shape as 10 years ago.”

Vegas Trip Missed

3:54 to 6:10

Mass talks about missing out on trips to Vegas and associated regrets.

“You can find that episode on BBC Sounds.”

Ipswich's Recent Performance

6:10 to 7:20

Analyzes Ipswich's recent match against Portsmouth and their inconsistencies.

“and I've got to first and foremost give them an enormous amount of credit.”

Squad Dynamics and Strategy

7:20 to 8:31

Discussion on the impact of squad changes and management strategies this season.

“you know, it is just ridiculous, but I'm not seeing what I should be given the quality they've got in the squad.”

Adjusting to Premier League Challenges

8:31 to 10:30

Explores the challenges teams face when adapting to Premier League football.

“everyone just bought into it from League One and we did it religiously every day for almost two seasons.”

Promotion Prospects and Future Outlook

10:30 to 14:01

The hosts discuss prospects for promotion and the future of the teams involved.

“Going to a five, what was it like for you?”

Assessing Leicester's Current Squad

14:01 to 15:00

Discussion on the challenges facing Leicester's squad and potential decisions to make.

“I think he's got it in him, especially him and Mark Ashton, to be absolutely ruthless because they've done it in the past.”

The Premier League Challenge

15:01 to 17:20

Exploration of the difficulties teams face when transitioning from the Championship to the Premier League.

“And they almost probably think, oh, we've given you this contract.”

Millwall's Team Culture

17:21 to 18:54

Insight into Millwall's team dynamics and the laid-back culture among players.

“I'll promise you now, everyone underestimates what goes on in that Millwall changing.”
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Leadership and Team Chemistry

18:55 to 21:04

Analysis of how leadership and chemistry affect team performance in the Championship.

“I mean, any time you speak to Alex Neal, he's a great man, but he's one of the most frustrating interviews you could do ever.”

Southampton's Resurgence

21:05 to 23:16

Discussion on Southampton's impressive turnaround and their potential playoff chances.

“Southampton absolutely motoring I mean very much in the mix for the top two.”

Late Season Dynamics

23:17 to 24:18

Examination of the competitive landscape as teams vie for playoff positions.

“Six has always been the one that we feel somewhere.”

Leicester's Relegation Struggles

25:51 to 28:00

Analysis of Leicester City's ongoing struggles and potential relegation threats.

“And that's exactly why it's exciting to see Cadillac entering Formula One, bringing an American luxury brand with performance pedigree onto the biggest stage in motorsport.”

Leicester's Struggles and Fan Sentiment

28:00 to 28:50

Explore the turbulent atmosphere surrounding Leicester City and their pressing need for victory.

“I mean, my word, this is a baffling situation.”

Comparing Team Efforts: Leicester vs. Portsmouth

28:50 to 29:40

Contrast the effort and commitment levels between Leicester City and Portsmouth.

“You know, goals they're conceding, a lack of togetherness, a lack of fight.”

West Brom's Financial Woes

29:40 to 30:50

Discuss the potential point deduction facing West Brom due to financial rule breaches.

“The club say they have fully complied with those rules but if found guilty they face a points deduction which would be applied this season and potentially mean they drop into the relegation zone.”

Matt Piper's Concerns on Leicester Players

30:50 to 31:20

Hear Matt Piper express deep concerns about Leicester players' commitment and mindset.

“West Brom just two points above the bottom three as it stands.”

Christian Fuchs on Newport's Revival

31:20 to 33:10

Christian Fuchs shares insights on Newport County's journey towards safety.

“Talk to us about life at Newport County.”

Adapting Coaching Styles for Survival

33:10 to 36:40

Fuchs discusses adjusting coaching methods to achieve immediate results at Newport County.

“And there were a lot of voices out there that already said that Newport has been already relegated.”

Advice for Aspiring Managers

36:40 to 38:10

Fuchs offers valuable advice for those looking to break into management.

Colchester's Potential Takeover

38:10 to 38:40

Discussion on the potential takeover of Colchester by John Terry's consortium.

“Get your feet wet and jump into a coaching role.”

Rotherham's Relegation and Future

38:40 to 41:10

Analyze Rotherham's struggles leading to relegation and the impact of managerial changes.

“This is 72 +, the home of the AFL from Five Live Sport.”

Analyzing Leicester City and Rotherham's Challenges

42:00 to 44:43

Discussion on the current struggles of Leicester City and Rotherham, including managerial changes and financial issues.

“Liam Richardson goes in there for a bit.”

Set-Piece Failures and Counter-Attacks

44:44 to 46:13

Highlights a critical moment in a match where Leicester City conceded a poor goal, discussing tactics and set-piece execution.

“72 minus on the football daily yeah time for joby to give us his best and worst moments of the week from across the EFL.”

Joby's Best and Worst Moments in EFL

46:14 to 47:30

Joby shares standout moments from the EFL, including a positive story about Naki Wells and Luton Town's performance.

“for Luton Town in the EFL Trophy final against Stockport.”

Personal Football Journeys and Predictions

47:31 to 49:15

A lighthearted chat about personal football beginnings and predictions about teams, focusing on Tottenham and their current form.

“Got a lovely chip shop around there right by the ground as well.”
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1:20Aaron Paul:Hello, everybody. Welcome along to 72 Plus, the EFL pod from 5 Live Sport, with time ticking down on another Football League campaign. Alongside me to go through the nuts and bolts of everything, Joby McEnough back from Spain, rejuvenated, reinvigorated. You look absolutely gorgeous. Oh, thank you very much. Not often I get compliments from you. So the sun for a few days has obviously, yeah, it's gone down well. A little bit of a power up, quite literally. I'm ready for a massive, massive running. You're playing a lot of Padel lately. Yeah, getting into it, I've got to say. Adele or Paddle? I'm going to go Paddle.

1:57Very London, just Paddle.

1:58Aaron Paul:Massimo Luongo, a middle midfielder, is with us right now. Mass, do you know what it is with Jobes? You know he is on holiday. He gets very influencer. Oh, what? You have the old topless picture of him playing Paddle. Or the topless video of him just like batting a ball away. I wish. I wish. I'm not quite in the same shape as 10 years ago. It was a topless picture, a topless video the other day of him in kick-ups. Oh, yeah, nice. We're on holiday. Little two-touchless. Boy, Mass, how are you? Yeah, good. Very good. How are you feeling? How's the leg? Feeling good. Feeling strong. Positive things.

2:30Aaron Paul:Good stuff, Millwall. Yeah, it's a slow process, but it goes. Yeah, fantastic. Well, it's great to have you with us. Millwall played on Friday. What's your weekend been like? What were you being up to? Enjoyed my weekend. We had a weekend off because we've got big running now. So Gaffer gave us the weekend off, injured boys included. So we, yeah, just out in London, a few drinks. Did you get the invite, us? No. No. Okay. Did I get the invite? Why would I get an invite? Well, because you're tight with, obviously, masks. A few of the mill were massive. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, sorry, lad. No?

3:00No. It was a spontaneous thing, so it was a bit last minute. Well, if you do have an advice, just let us out. I'll tell you what I was doing.

3:06Aaron Paul:I was grafting, mate. Yeah, true. I've got time to go on a mid-season holiday like you. You know, flandering away my time. I was out there grafting, mate. You were. I was in the white hot heat of Oxygenated. Yeah. It was cold, man. It was really cold. I absolutely had a mate. I thought it was cold as well. You get to a ground, especially Oxford, and the wind's just whipping through it. Chop is an understanding. It's like, you know, in the Wolf of Wall Street where they said, there's going to be chop, we can handle the chop, and bang, the boat goes overboard. That's exactly what it was. My barnet was all over the shop.

3:36Aaron Paul:It was terrible. I had an absolute mare. Before we get into it, congratulations to Liam Walsh and Luton Town, EFL trophy winners at Wembley last weekend. So nice of Liam to give us some time on last week's episode of 72 Plus after everything himself and his partner, Missy Bo Kearns, have been through in their personal life recently. You can find that episode on BBC Sounds. We also spoke to Lincoln's promotion-winning captain, Tendei Derequa. Apparently, they're off to Vegas. It's a celebration. You ever been, Mas? I had two opportunities to go, and my visa didn't get accepted. No. No way. Because you have to get an Esther.

4:12You have to apply for an Esther. And obviously, I'm not going to go do my homework and book it in advance and try to get the proper visa. Well after the first one did you not sort of think right Yeah but I didn't want to jinx it Everyone's like why don't you get it done ages ago I said well we only got promoted on the last day so I didn't want to jinx it one and two because with the national team I've been to countries like in the Middle East and stuff you've got to declare everything and they just declined it straight away So you've missed two Two Vegas It's a very touchy subject Oh my gosh Was that one with Ipswich?

4:42Both with Ipswich yeah Can you imagine that like everyone's coming back and for you know someone who's been forced to be on one or two of those. And then group chat. I wasn't like, excellent group chat straight away. I don't want to hear anything. They talk about it. And then all the pre-season, it's like, oh man, do you remember this? And like, poor Mass has just sat there.

5:00Aaron Paul:Is it like, you know when you're at school and like you're the one kid who doesn't go on the school trip with the two kids and you're in the training ground on your own. It's you, the chef, who puts on like a special freezer dinner for you. You know, chicken. Don't worry, Mass, we'll put some chicken nuggets on you. Just to make you feel a bit special, Mass. You can't make it any better. You and who else would be there? The older lads. I think a few of the older lads sort of didn't go because probably got kids and stuff like that. And that was my one opportunity. I think my one pass, I could really go.

5:27The missus said, yeah, go, do it. And I couldn't do it. Right, one question. Yeah. Have you got your rest assorted for this year, mate? Because there's a big, big chance. No. Come on, mate. No, I'm not doing any of that. If I miss out, I miss out. I'd rather much go up than pre-plant a Vegas trip, which I might go by myself if I do.

5:44Aaron Paul:Let's talk championship and start with the race of the Premier League. Who saw this coming? Portsmouth upsetting Ipswich Tuesday night, 2-0 at Fratton Park. The script was written for Ipswich. Portsmouth ripped it up. Ipswich's nine-match unbeaten run done. All the hype from the derby win deflated. I don't want to be that guy, but it's a tough place to go, Fratton Park. But it is. Portsmouth were great. I loved them. I thought they were fantastic. Yeah, covered the game. and I've got to first and foremost give them an enormous amount of credit. You know, exactly what you need when you're in the situation, they're in a relegation scrap.

6:19Every single player, whether started or came on, giving absolutely 100 % thought for everything. But that wasn't it. Real quality as well. Mili Ali was a fantastic outlet on the left-hand side. And, you know, I just felt the atmosphere, the club is together. And that is such a powerful thing at this stage of the season. and I think Ipswich just ran into that last night, didn't quite have the same drive and desire really at times, if I'm being really honest. And that's the thing I think would have really disappointed Kieran because regardless of, yes, Portsmouth in a relegation fight, you're in a promotion scrap.

6:54You need to show the same fight and desire and then the quality should come out. And I don't think they showed enough of that last night. And I think for Ipswich Town fans, it was a little bit of sum the season up. Yes, they've had a really good run, but they've still been inconsistent, you know, and I think that came out last night in the performance and ultimately they weren't good enough. And when you look at the players at their disposal, you know, bringing on Mometi, Akpom, Egele, you know, it is just ridiculous, but I'm not seeing what I should be given the quality they've got in the squad.

7:26Aaron Paul:Are there too many options? I mean, Matt, I always draw comparisons to the side you're involved in. And for me, that was one of the most joyous footballing teams to watch because you had players that were brought in to level up the squad from League One. You had players in there that had fought in League One. I'm talking Wesley Burns. What a player, by the way. Wes is fantastic and it's such a shame that he keeps struggling with injuries. Wes, Connor Chaplin, Sam Morsi, ultimate leader. The whole back line as well. I feel that whole identity is gone. That identity of the style of play, of the way we're going to do things, you know, it feels like it's kind of just become a bit sterile.

8:11Aaron Paul:And, you know, very methodical in what they do and very follow the process and that's it. Yeah, but they brought in so many individual talents like Villagin, Jack Clark, they're like championship cheat codes and you're going to try and make them play in a structured way, which they have to play in. But they're not going to do that. You know, they're too good to do that. So it's coming from our team. everyone just bought into it from League One and we did it religiously every day for almost two seasons. Matt, just on that, how important was it? Listen, obviously we know squads play a huge role and he would use substitutes to come out.

8:44But I would probably sit here today and be able to name nine, ten really regular week in, week out players that are going to start. Now listen, you've got to go out and perform. Of course you do. And I don't think at times some of those It's Rich Town players have performed at the level to maybe say to Kieran, I need to start week in, week out. but how much do you think this season that's been a big difference and last season a little bit with the in terms of the injection of players into that squad where you had that consistency because you're playing every week I know McKenna well yeah and I know that squad and he values a good squad and good lads and keeping everyone happy so he's probably struggling with that at the moment yeah he wants to give people goes give people 30 minutes 60 minutes here and there I hate comparing but when we did it there was a structured nine ten players that were starting every week you know jack taylor now would come in for me when i needed a rest in midweek uh wes burns might miss a game connor chapa might miss a game ultimately there was a good nine at the moment yeah he's mixing it up i think he's probably under putting himself under a little bit of pressure to play certain players right that he's fought to get in yeah and if they're not performing he's giving them probably more of a chance than the boys that have been there before i've been in that situation in the prem season um but yeah that's probably his battle at the moment and what clouds a little bit he's well they're second and they're getting results so it's like it's not a crisis

10:04Aaron Paul:yeah but it's not a crisis but Mass they haven't been great no they haven't they haven't been great but they're so underwhelming as a group if I got promoted like that I'd be like oh great yeah no you wouldn't if you get promoted you don't care how you get promoted no mate I mean don't get me wrong obviously I'm chomping in Swimpool and like all that we're going to the Premier League but not being funny if I go to the Premier League and I go to bat five next year and I'm Jadon Filagy and I'm like what am I doing? Because that's what happened. It was weird. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Going to a five, what was it like for you?

10:32Aaron Paul:At what point does Kieran McKenna said to you, by the way, by the way. You know this all action, high octane, you know, edge of your seat football that we've been playing this year and you know, we've smashed up the division, yeah? Well, we're not going to do it next year. We're going to play a back five. It wasn't like that at all. It was almost, all right, now you're going to track your full back all the way back and suddenly we're defending in a back five. And then we relied on them to get back up high and it was a big job for that right winger. And yeah, it may have hindered us in other areas, but we didn't practice it.

11:02It wasn't like, oh, we're a back five here. No, we're an aggressive team. It's a completely different game. Yeah. You're stepping up against the best players in the world and you can't play the same all the time. You just can't. No. But he wouldn't communicate like that. He would almost give us that belief of like, no, we're going to play like this. Okay. And then maybe go to Wes Burns. No, you need a track all the way back. Right. And when we're defending our box, you're in a back five. And that was his language, but his language changed game to game, but you sort of went, oh, are we playing a back five here?

11:28And if you sort of questioned it, no, no, no. We're just asking our wide man to just chuck back all the way to the back five. Absolute doggy, is that the season of that in the Prem? And it's tough, yeah, especially when we want to get on the ball, transitions, you're way out of it, you're the highest man. You're asking a wide attacking player to be an outlet from a positive point of view, but you're having to come back again. I was playing in front of Ian Hart at the time, who was unbelievable left foot and could do anything with a ball, but in terms of his athletic ability and his, you know, covering and pace was gone at that stage.

11:59Aaron Paul:You're trying to say you was doing his running? Absolutely. I mean, I had a game once where, I don't know who it was, it might have been Spurs, man, and they had Kyle Walker and Aaron Enham, right, on the right. And I'm like, oh my gosh, it's going to be a long, long 90 minutes. The gaffer pulls me in before the game. He's like, right, got to look after Hardy today. Like, you know, just do, and obviously I'm captain, I'm team player, whatever is needed to try and get a result, I'm going to do it. And he went, don't worry too much about getting forward today. So it's the same kind of conversation.

12:30Like you might as well just play me at left wing back. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? And it's like, when you go up to that level, there is, and I mean, Kyle Walker was doing stuff that I had never come across on a pitch before in terms of the types of runs because he knew they could dominate us. He wasn't just doing an overlap. So naturally as a winger, you're going, right, I'll take him. Don't worry. And you know, then Hart, he's then got a deal with Aaron Lennon, but he needed a 2v1 against him. 100%. Carl Walker sees that and then he just starts running inside of me right down the middle of the pitch.

12:58You're sad there.

12:59Aaron Paul:You see him in the mirror. You're like, what? Where's he going from? The midfielders are all overloaded. It's literally like, what is this? And if you haven't got a plan for it and we took too long to adjust to those differences then being in the championship and going, actually, we fancy ourselves against anyone. We're going to leave our forward a little bit higher. That sort of cheating sort of role. and we'll beat you because we're better than you. You cannot just go and do that in the Premier League. It's a different story and I just think they haven't quite adjusted to that coming back down and almost found that way of doing it like they did before.

13:33Aaron Paul:Do you think they go up automatically? Before last night, I would have said yes, absolutely. Same, yeah. Southampton's result, which I know we'll come on to, they are flying and the fact they've got to play each other the second last game of the season, oh my gosh, that could be it I mean you know it's like showdown they should be I think this is the thing with Ipswich like even at this point they should be in a much better position given the squad they've got it's still in their hands of course it is I've gone for them I'm gonna stick I don't like twisting now because one result or I just feel they've still got enough but they can't afford any more slip-ups I just look at that I just look at that squad and I'm like okay you go to the Premier League you've loaded a squad full of really good championship players who are you removing from that squad and going right yeah you're not part of it all these players coming back from loans by the way like loads of players out on loan how do you start balancing things up and actually get yourself a crux again because what it felt like is that the club had a core there was a real real stable core of a team that went from league one went to the championship yeah went early went early 100 and then you're left with players who aren't good enough the premier league good enough the championship mustered in league one yeah but But how do you then decipher this squad they've got right now?

14:51I have no idea. I think he's got it in him, especially him and Mark Ashton, to be absolutely ruthless because they've done it in the past. That's the word. Yeah, they will have to be. And they're happy to do it. And they almost probably think, oh, we've given you this contract. We've got you to the Premier League. We've given you this opportunity. You shouldn't feel too bad because we've done this for you. So they can just go bang. And then whether they spend another however much they spend again, I don't know. I think the fact they've tried that approach already and it clearly didn't work. You know, we looked at that at the time with a lot of the recruitment and it was almost like the championship dream team, wasn't it?

15:25Right. Who's been the best centre-up at the championship? Who's the best forward? We'll go and get him. Actually, we'll go and get another one. Yeah, go on. And you think that would pay back coming back down to the championship. But we've seen it before with a Luton when they go up, you know, not with a squad full of Premier League players by any means and come back down and can't adjust back to the level, which I find absolutely crazy crazy because you haven't been a Premier League player. You've been in a championship, you've got an opportunity to go and play.

15:49Aaron Paul:But Joby, you go to that division and you lose any form of identity you've got. But you shouldn't know that. How many clubs go up, come back down and you can say, yeah, you know what, they're still who they are. Yeah, but that is genuinely the bit I don't get. I really don't because, again, if you were a Premier League player, let's say Newcastle, I don't go back a long time ago when they came down, they kept a big bulk of their squad who were Premier League players. I would get it in that scenario because they've been around the Premier League. Like a lot of these players that Ipswich bought haven't.

16:19So your mentality shouldn't be all of a sudden because you've played a season and got relegated, by the way. So the bottom line is whatever anybody thinks, we weren't good enough. That's the facts when you get relegated, right? So it's then a restart, right? And what it should be is that I want to get, I'm desperate to get back there because I've had a taste and you should be better off the next time you go. But clearly not everyone can be taken with you. And I think from Ipswich Town's point of view, they can almost use that to say listen lads we gave you an opportunity we weren't good enough collectively for whatever reason we're going to have to change things up we're going to have to go a different route with our recruitment if we are going to want to stay in the Premier League you have to you look at Sunderland been brilliant you know in terms of Leeds when you look at the profile of what they've gone out and added to that group that was so good in the Championship you have to improve you have to be different and you have to be a bit better quality than even some of the good Championship players.

17:10You can't take a whole squad of championship players. You can take a few that have got the ability to go up the level, but you do need a little bit extra, well, a lot extra, as we've seen.

17:18Aaron Paul:Just on Millwall, I mean, look, obviously all eyes on that Pompey game yesterday. Was the group chat going a bit? No, no. Come on. I'll promise you now, everyone underestimates what goes on in that Millwall changing. We are a very laid-back group. I think the loss to Norwich, if you saw at the end of the game, I don't like it. A few boys are on the ground holding their heads like oh we've we've we've messed it up you know what i mean um and then the realization of the draw against west brom was like all right we're gonna go through playoffs right okay and no one's really speaking about it i think come thursday everyone's gonna go in and be like wow what a result still only two points though after that oh i feel you last night i would have been like a little bit more like or again next time you're in you know actually and that's why it's just an amazing time of the season because you can have those couple of results you do think that's it done if we switch with last night yeah probably yeah and we were expecting it but sam morsey text me saying why are you guys doing all right but he said what about your captain with his haircut you know juicy like that and i said coops is epitomizes what and how our meal war change room is like we are so laid back and you know we we don't care to an extent we really want to do well for everything but it we won't go too low and we won't go too high and coops is is that man and he was like, wow.

18:39Aaron Paul:Probably the most consistent championship player over the last 10 years. He has done amazing. Unbelievable. It's so important, Aaron. It's such an important topic in terms of just the culture, particularly when you've had such a successful spell. That's it. Our culture. It's one of the best changes I've been in. Is that because of the gaffer as well? I mean, any time you speak to Alex Neal, he's a great man, but he's one of the most frustrating interviews you could do ever. You'll turn around and go, Alex, brilliant, blah, blah, blah, blah. He will not give anything. Yeah, yeah, we're just keeping our heads on the ground.

19:13Aaron Paul:You know, we're fine. And I'm like, mate, give me something. And there was a game a few weeks ago I did, and it was a really good result. I was like, Alex, you know, for a neutral, this is great. Because, mate, for a neutral, it's great. Because look at me, I'm losing my head. I've got none left to lose. Like, it's stressful for us. And I'm like, okay, interesting. Like, he feels it. He knows what it's like to get out of this division. Yeah. He trusts, surprisingly. I've had Kieran McKenna who's really conscious of the change room and he wants to influence it from the outside, but really influence it where Alex Neal, and he said it to me because I let you guys deal with the change room.

19:46Right, okay. And he hopefully, I don't know what he's had in the past, but he trusts our change room that we can deal with it. And he's spoken to me about Koops, Ryan Leonard, Joe Bryan, the older players in there that are policing that change room. Not even policing, it's just something that I wish managers could look at more. It's gone out of the game. there's 100 % you know and again a lot of that comes with the age so again rather than looking at right what can Massimo give us not just on the pitch and I'm not expecting to be given handed out contracts for no contribution whatsoever but I just think value now is just seen as a transfer fee or what can we get for better money rather than actually value in and around the dresser all the things that people don't see 100 % you know so I'll just say Middlesbrough as at the moment hit an absolute brick wall it's not because I haven't got footballers or they're not dominating games that they're not able to get over the line and and what is that intangible you know the thing that we can't measure with a stat or how much somebody's earning you know it's characters it's leaders it's group dynamics you know and you need people as a manager to be able to to run that you look around you've got people that have been there and done it and know how to get promoted and will maybe on the pitch more that you will carry the team and go yeah i'll carry us clutch moments you know just things that you just need and you look around going ah when I went up we had Amari Hutchinson Amari's going to win us this game and you just knew it and I would say it's probably we don't have enough of that at Millwall around the training ground on the starting 11 and the subs coming on and relying on maybe one or two players a little bit too much but in dressing room yeah we've got loads of it

21:22Aaron Paul:do you know who else has got loads of it? Southampton absolutely motoring I mean very much in the mix for the top two. What have you made of what Tonda Rekker's done there? It feels like, you know, that Arsenal game. I reckon that that sort of week 10 days, absolutely, it was like a battery pack on them. It's just fired up the engine and bang, they're motoring, flying. I'm trying to sit here and think, and I was part of a really good run that were nowhere and ended up getting, I can't believe it was anywhere near as bad as where Southampton were. if they are to go and get into second place, this would be one of the stories ever in the EFL.

22:04Yes, they've got a great squad, but they were down and out, you know, and watching them, they were just gone as a group. They weren't even playing well. Weren't playing well. And for him to come in and have the impact he's had. And I think that Arsenal game, what was really impressive with that, Aaron, we all know you can get up for a big game. FA Cup, you know, playing against one of the biggest teams in the country. It's what happens after that. And there can normally be a dip, whether it's emotionally, physically. Goes and changes. I think it was five players. And then they go and absolutely put Wrexham to bed.

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22:36Does it again last night off the back of a really good performance. Comeback, goes and changes four or five. You've got the likes of Laring coming in. Sienza on the bench. I'm looking at that line-up last night going, if there's anyone who needs to be in the team, it's Sienza. Even if you try and get yourself in the lead, then whip him off for half an hour. But he's got the confidence in that squad now. and when you're on that run why they're so dangerous as is because they're going at it from where they were not even expecting to get in the playoffs now they're in the playoffs and they're still an outsider really and rightfully so to get in the top two because of where they've come from so they can just go and attack every single game with freedom, they're the freest team in those playoff places Mill have been up there you know, don't want to fall out of it Middlesbrough can't get going at the moment Ipswich have got second now, should get it wrapped up Hull have been in, Southampton have just come like forget all that mate we're the ones that are coming through and that's what makes them so dangerous form is is incredible their form is I don't think when was the last time they lost?

23:32January 17, 18 games yeah so let's say they don't go up automatic oh to have a team like that playing in the playoffs and you've got to play them twice let alone once

23:41Aaron Paul:the playoffs are a unique thing man but still coming into it in the form that they're in they are the ones that you don't massively and that's why now the momentum and they've got the quality in their team oh yeah Yeah, where it looked so sewn up for so long in terms of who's going to be finishing where. Like, all right, fine. Six has always been the one that we feel somewhere. But now that's not even locked down. Because they've come from nowhere. And then now Southampton, if they end up in third. So again, between you and Southampton, where you finish because then who you're going to have to be playing.

24:10And that's where this stage of the season, it's incredible. Whoever beats Southampton in the playoffs, if they stay in the playoffs, you're going to be suffering a lot of the game. They've got to play Ipswich as well. Yeah, I'm just going to say something quickly. I like things I always say like things can be written sometimes and when I went up with Ipswich in League 1 we had a game in hand on the last week of the season when we went up to the Championship we had a game in hand to play in the last week of the season once again they got a game in hand to play they're saying good vibrations for Ipswich I'm just saying it's happened but that game in hand is against yeah I know you couldn't right I mean I'm at the game on Ipswich Middlesbrough which again is just going to be so their run and you know Ipswich away from haven't been great this season.

24:54I know they've picked up a couple of results other than Portsmouth of late, but I mean, what a game. That's coming off the back of Man City as well. So is that going to have an impact on team selection? Maybe, yeah. But that's where at the moment, by keeping it fresh and being able to make those changes, they're in such a good position. BBC Radio 5 Live. Patrick Kielsey. Stumble in your way into Saturday mornings with great guests. Good morning, Jimmy Nesbitt. Good morning, Apati. You're terrible. Kids taking down commentators. You've wiped the floor with our commentator key. And how does it feel?

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26:32Aaron Paul:let's just touch on relegation I mean it just gets worse for Leicester City doesn't it now five points from safety four games to go both Pompey and Oxford picking up wings Leicester lost 1-0 to Swansea at the weekend with that ridiculous goal conceded from their own free kick let's hear from Gary Rowett the 10 games I've had here has felt like 40 because the way we've given goals away and given teams a lift in a time where they haven't really had to go and earn it I mean it's a ridiculous decision to try and play a short free kick where the box is open you know we've got everybody loaded up in the box for me we just have to be more basic and put balls in the box and test the opposition that way we kind of just fizzled out really and I think we you know So it was our reaction from that goal that I felt as though was the poorest thing.

27:19We seem to have a habit of giving away just elementary goals, you know, to go a whole season and only have, I think, three clean sheets. It's quite a sad indictment, really, on how we've defended as a team. So, yeah, I spoke to the lads in there, said, listen, the final few games of the season are going to have a massive impact on a lot of people. It might not be you, it might not be some of the staff, but it might be a lot of people around the football club. and I think what we've got to do is we've got to show some sort of responsibility to go and fight and we've got to go to Portsmouth we've got to win the game simple as that if we don't win the game my belief is that

27:54Aaron Paul:that's our last chance do you know what I mean that's damning wow damning do you know what the difference between them and Portsmouth and Oxford is though is that Portsmouth are together the fans are together Oxford I was there Saturday they're together and Matt Bloomfield is about the culture and the club Gary Howard's gone in there he's left Oxford and, you know, walked straight from the frying pan right into the flames. I mean, my word, this is a baffling situation. But there's so much negativity around the place. It kind of feels like they're doomed. Like the Grim Reaper's there. He might be the Grim Reaper.

28:29Well, judging by that interview, I mean, that would worry me. You know, as a Leicester City fan, as a player. And listen, I think there's one thing saying that inside the dressing room, that we need to win this game. Otherwise we are in deep, deep trouble. Then to come out and say it because they are a team that haven't dealt with that pressure at all this season. Times where they've had to win games, they haven't been able to do it. You know, goals they're conceding, a lack of togetherness, a lack of fight. All the things that as a player, they would hurt me. You know, when you've ever been on a pitch and you've come off and you get it every now and again.

29:03Oh, he doesn't care. He doesn't. And, you know, that should never, ever be able to be leveled. I might have got to a point where I wasn't good enough on the day in terms of what I wanted to try and do. I can live with that as long as I've given everything on a football pitch and that is what I see when I see Leicester because they are not giving everything and I'm always reluctant to come and give players stick for that because I know that is the sort of worst thing you can almost say about someone but it looks like that I look at Portsmouth they care they care for their club they care for their teammates they care for the fans because you can see it it's effort you know Oxford United exactly the same West Brom what they've done Blackburn I don't see that at Leicester City

29:39Aaron Paul:they might not be technically good teams like you look at Portsmouth Colby Bishop that was a mad stat that's his second goal in like 40 games or something like that he has scored no goals this season but you know what they back him and they back him and he works hard and the fans don't get on his back Oxford Saturday they had chance after chance after chance they created they're not great in terms of what they do the ability but you know what they stick with them contrast that with the atmosphere inside Leicester so as an opposing player and that's the other thing these are all the factors of staying up so going to Fratton Park on a Tuesday night as it's Rich Town that's a tough game because of the atmosphere it's tight you've got to get yourself in a different state of mind you're going to Leicester now and you're like easy work man it's going to be a nice afternoon the crowd are against them you know go in there 10 minutes the crowd will get on their back they'll do something silly then we can just take over and that is what's going on at the moment of course one to watch is West Brom with a report in the Telegraph saying they could face a point deduction for an alleged breach of financial rules.

30:39Aaron Paul:The club say they have fully complied with those rules but if found guilty they face a points deduction which would be applied this season and potentially mean they drop into the relegation zone. West Brom just two points above the bottom three as it stands. Do you know what? I just want to bring you one line from Matt Piper on the Leicester City podcast. When you're smiling on BBC Sounds not smiling at the moment but the players are not fit to wear the shirt. I don't recognise this club at the minute. I don't think most of the players want to be here and when they go it will be good riddance how many of those players are just thinking yeah I don't care I won't be here next season that's the sad thing Aaron and it must be that because and again we've had a lot of similarities with the Tottenham situation and Leicester City players will be in that dressing room there will be some going nah if we get relegated I'll get a move you know if you have to be sold if you're on a certain amount of wages or over whatever you know that this club cannot keep me if we're going down to League 1 so that gets in your head you've got your agents saying like don't worry just I hope he's not saying it but just try and get play well try and score some goals you know next year not get injured look after yourself that's the worst shout in football look after yourself don't worry about anyone else desperate times for Leicester City elsewhere and we will talk League 1 in a moment but in League 2 Bromley can still promotion if they beat Cambridge on Thursday night looking forward to watching that one and what a win for Christian Fuchs and Newport County against relegation rivals Harrogate Newport now outside the drop zone by a point and boss christian fuchs is with us christian how are you i'm very well thank you very much uh i can't imagine what that was like listening to us talk about your beloved leicester city there 10 years after winning the premier league i mean on the verge of league one i don't know if you want to share some thoughts on what you're seeing yeah it obviously hurts you i turned into a fan of leicester city to be very honest and seeing the development over the last couple of years are really painful to see without honestly knowing too much of the ins and outs but obviously things are not right there at the moment and also with them now being in a drop zone and with four games to go, five points from safety, it doesn't look good at the moment.

32:48Aaron Paul:You're on your own quest for safety. Talk to us about life at Newport County. Listen, I really quite enjoy it. It's been, I do, I do. And the enjoyment simply comes from the players' attitude and how committed they are. And I think they've done brilliantly, right? When I came in at the end of November, there were four points adrift, bottom of the table. And there were a lot of voices out there that already said that Newport has been already relegated. And I believed in them. I saw very quickly, you know, first of all, the attitude, which was the most important to me, right? Also, actually being a decent side, decent players, for me, was all about, you know, establishing more confidence in them.

33:33Because I don't blame them. You know, the start of the season was really not good for them, having lost too many games. And it can really kill your confidence. And that was my approach, right? To show them actually how good they are and what they have now done over the last four or five months has been incredible. From, you know, being called number one team to relegate to having in your own hands and being out of the relegation. So not only since last weekend, but for the last four weeks, has been a tremendous effort. I would have been one of those voices that would say in Newport were doomed and actually we had a conversation about you going in and I thought you were absolutely crazy for that to be your first coaching job because I looked at the group of players I looked at the situation the club was in maybe the recruitment over the last couple of years and that was such a tough tough gig what was it about I know you've spoken about what you've done since but that decision to go and start that journey for you at Newport such a tough assignment to start with well there's two things that are driving me right one is proving people wrong which has been a topic for my whole personal career as well right I've I've never been the best player I've just been a very hard worker and I hope I can prove you wrong as well at the end of the season you're doing a good job of making me look very very silly but you crack on with that I I I I completely understand where where your point is and where you're coming from But again, you know, I like a good challenge.

35:01And I think that came with how I was brought up and how I started my own journey, right? Always being told you cannot achieve things. But then this being the challenge, the driving force to get me going. And that defined my whole career. And that's something that maybe call me crazy. I really don't care because at the end of the day, you know, if I can make this happen and I 100 % believe in that and the boys give me all the confidence even more at the end of the day when we can achieve our goal, then it's a very good story to tell. When you went into the club, you spoke about wanting to dominate the ball, you know, high possession, lots of passes.

35:43Have you found that you've had to adjust and how quickly, if you have done, to maybe a different style to get results for what is needed right now in terms of the short term and survival? Yeah, and of course you have your own ideas of how you want to play and they're very much legitimate, right? But I think a big strength, and I've learned this throughout my career from many other managers, a big strength from a coach is to be adaptable and to understand what you have available, the players that you have available, and also what the situation requires, right? And at times, listen, we had games where we were dominant, but we didn't get the result.

36:23and history showed us then in fact when we had less possession and we were at times more direct we were even more successful we got more points so that was a lesson for me and i'm happy to learn and i hold my hands up first when i make a mistake because that just means that now i've learned this and i can make my team even better i had to adapt 100 i had to adapt to the style of playing in League 2 and it's like I said it's been a great journey for me together with the team because they gave me so much joy and now it's three more games to go and obviously we are approaching every game as it would be you know the FA Cup final Want to be a manager you got any advice for me trying to get into the managing gigs or coaching role you know when the timer comes would be mine

37:19you know you have to get yourself out there yeah right don't assume that anything will happen by itself i went through several interviews until i finally got picked up by newport and it's just when you have an opportunity to take it you know even if it's in a lower division you know there's there's a lot of craft that you learn from the daily work and just appreciate it right just embrace it because everything that you do now even if it's on a lower level will help you then later to understand what actually the staff is doing and how everything works so i'm very much hands-on i like to understand uh every role right but also then once you build trust with coaches right yeah being able and to delegate otherwise everything will just fall on your shoulders and it will feel like a big burden and you hardly find room to breathe but just jump in there just just get in Get your feet wet and jump into a coaching role.

38:16Jump in the deep end. Cheers, mate. Thank you.

38:18Aaron Paul:Exactly what you've done, Christian. We love it. Thank you so much for joining us. Really appreciate your time. Thank you. Best of luck with the journey forward. Christian Fuchs of Newport County. His side just above the drop zone in league to 37 points in 22nd. The teams below, Barron 36, Harrogate on 33. and you've got two others, Crawley and Trammear, who are above on goal difference only. This is 72 +, the home of the AFL from Five Live Sport. Just while we're in League Two, what about these reports? John Terry is set to take over Colchester as part of a consortium. JT was at Colchester's game on Tuesday night.

38:56Aaron Paul:The Sun has reported that the group has submitted a£14 million offer for the club. His nephew Frankie plays for Colchester. I don't know what that means or if it means anything. This is a football club that is in dire need of a takeover. Real, real dire need of a takeover. Our governor at Five Live is a massive Colu fan. And I know it's given him grey hairs. Joby, he's not quite at your level yet. Oh, come on. That's a low blow, isn't it? I get mine cut out. I get mine cut out. So here's what it is. What do you make of it? I'm always a little bit nervous about prospective owners rolling into clubs before it's done.

39:34That's my first sort of gut feeling. Maybe he was there to watch his nephew. What, after all the noise that's coming out? I would just be a little bit more, have a tendency to just sit back, let's get it all done and then roll up. That was just my first feeling. In terms of actually John Terry being involved in a prospective takeover, if it all goes through, great. I mean, profile, someone who is a winner, who's been there, done it. I see so many of these consortiums rolling into town and owners who have no idea about football, about the day-to-day reality, about actually what does a winning dressing room look like?

40:08What does a competitive budget look like in that league? You know, whereas obviously John Terry and everything, not just what he's done, but his contacts in the game. You know, I know he's been coaching recently. You know, I just think he can have a real positive impact on, let's say, a club that needs the lift financially. Obviously, the owner's been trying to keep things ticking over as best as he can. It's obviously been up for sale. So if it does all get done, hopefully some real positive times ahead for Colchester United.

40:33Aaron Paul:Did Ed Sheeran have a positive impact on the Ipswich? Absolutely. I've found the love. Everyone talks about Ipswich when Ed Sheeran was around. Just like everyone talks about Wrexham, now everyone, hopefully, will talk about Colchester and put John Terry's name to it. Yeah, fingers crossed. Our manager, Danny Cowley, said, it felt like such a big night for the players, first and foremost, but also the club. We genuinely believe the club has such high potential. We just need a springboard to push on from, and that is what we hope is on its way. I believe they're a really exciting time to head. Chairman Robbie Cowling has confirmed that detailed discussions are ongoing, but said he was not in a position to comment on any specific individuals or companies involved in League One.

41:09Aaron Paul:Rotherham United are relegated after a miserable season. Port Vale and Northampton set to follow two. I mean, Matt Hanschel given far too long. The recruitment hasn't been great. Nothing's really been great. How do you think? Yeah, it just capped off a really disappointing few years, isn't it, really? I think we look at sometimes a relegation might be the result of one season or one window or a bad managerial appointment. This is the accumulation over a good few years now of some strange decisions, I think, in terms of they were the archetypal yo-yo team, weren't they, from League One up, the Paul Warn era, and then obviously he goes and then haven't really...

41:46I think they stayed up the first year, actually, didn't they? Matt Taylor did a great job, but then he loses his job. And again, it's one of those of the expectations, I think, of a football club, just because you've survived one year, but you haven't invested necessarily to the level to compete and stay up. He loses his job. And then it's... Liam Richardson goes in there for a bit. That doesn't quite work out.

42:07Aaron Paul:I forgot about that. It's crazy. And then Steve Evans, who was the one I did think could get things going again. You know, you look what he's doing at Bristol Rovers. So actually... Chuck some dirt at Johnson Clark Harris, didn't they? Yeah, which again, I think you look at maybe the recruitment there where they did have a bit of a bash, which you know Steve Evans is only going in if he's going to have a good opportunity to get some players in. Obviously that didn't work. they've posted some worrying financial losses so yeah all in all it's a really tough situation for everyone at the club and it's a shame because it was one that was always there or thereabouts I hate bringing up quotes like this but I've got to and there's a reason why Chairman Tony Stewart in 2016 said I've no doubt that Rotherham in the next few years, three years or five will be in the Premier League, I assure you of that they will play in the fourth tier next season for the first time since 2013 and it's interesting because this morning I interviewed KSI who's taken over at Dagenham Redbridge and I asked him what his plan was and I was hoping he'd say, oh yeah, well, you know, get into the Football League.

43:03Aaron Paul:No, Premier League. And I was like... One step at a time, fella. Yeah. Again, I think everyone just sees the Wrexham thing and goes, right, that's it. But there's so much more that goes behind the scenes of that and a little bit of caution. Yes, optimism, excitement. I think fans want to hear that, but that didn't age very well, did it? In terms of where they are now, they're clearly not anywhere near the Premier League. Do you think at that level, if you just chuck money at it, that's enough? No. I think you have to be strategic with it. And I think that's one thing. I speak a lot about Rex Zermen.

43:33There'd be a load of people and they've brought their way up the leagues. Of course, they've had unbelievable, insane investment. But then you have to get the right types. You have to get the right characters. There's so many clubs. Again, I'll go back to my time at Leighton Orient that, you know, a guy comes in, I've got a budget that we can go and get some championship caliber proper players. If they're not the right types, if the dynamic isn't right in that dressing room, it isn't going to work. no matter how much you throw at it. So you look at Lincoln on the flip side of that in a monster of a league with some of the teams around them and they can do it, you know, because they've got good people, they've got a plan, their whole clubs aligned and a strategy that can be successful.

44:09So I don't think money is the be all and end all. You still got to get that recruitment. I agree, the higher you go. But at the lower levels, you're attracting players that are far better. Again, I played in the National League for a couple of years and some of the figures you hear banded about at that level were outrageous. interest and that was a long time ago and it didn't yeah and um it didn't always equate to a team getting promoted okay you know so again you have to be sensible um with who you're getting in

44:37Aaron Paul:and make sure they're the right type not just a good player okay let's finish with this 72 plus 72 minus on the football daily yeah time for joby to give us his best and worst moments of the week from across the EFL. Go on, Jobes. Well, I've got to start with the beleaguered Leicester City and you will not see a worse goal to concede than this. They've got an attacking free kick. All you have to do, the box is loaded, deliver it with a bit of quality. No, they try and play a short one, gets intercepted. Cue Swansea City and Ian running the length of the pitch to set up a winning goal. Foxes fans, this clip is 18 seconds.

45:15Aaron Paul:Stick your fingers in your ears now. Poor free kick from Leicester City as the set-piece coach, Andy Hughes just walks away. Luke Thomas can't catch on. He's still driving forward. Ji Sung Om still has it. Lazing up inside the area. Vipotnik in off the bar. And from one end to another, that is a devastating counter-attack from Swansea City. If you are a set-piece coach and that happens, you do what a politician does. You tender your resignation. But did you not hear Gary Rowett actually spoke about, he said, I don't know why the players did that. And that is the bit for me where I'm going, man, if you've got a set-piece coach who's clearly got a way of doing this set-piece and the player's just making up their own thing off the cuff.

45:55Aaron Paul:Set-piece coach is trying to get the clipboard out. Or the filofax or whatever. The big guy, the lever arch bar. That's what I told him to do. He had the wrong slide-up. This is the problem. We're trying to be too complicated. Stick it in the mixer, mate. Exactly. It's that simple. Right in there. Bang. Bang. Joby, you're 72 plus. A bit of positivity and a real nice good news story for Luton Town in the EFL Trophy final against Stockport. And Naki Wells, who hasn't had the easiest times at the football club, comes up, shows his quality with an absolutely sublime touch and finish that turned the game on its head.

46:29Here it is. Good spell of pressure from Luton. Ball whacked up. Wells in with a chance. Wells is going to score. He brought it down brilliantly. Looked across to the linesman. There's no flag. And Naki Wells has scored for Jack Wilshere's side.

46:44Aaron Paul:You know, he started his career at the Dandytown Hornets. Love that. and Bermuda. The Dandytown, then the Bermuda Hogs, then Eccles Hill United, Carlisle United, Bradford City, Huddersfield Town. Mass, what was yours? Go on, give us a name. Started out playing. Oh, me? Yeah. Oh, you wouldn't know it? Go on. No, that's why I want to hear it. RPA Leichhardt Tigers. Go on. RPA Leichhardt Tigers. In Sydney. Little shout out to them, mate. There we go. You did start out at Spurs. Yeah. What are your thoughts? So I was actually a Tottenham, well technically I'm a Tottenham supporter from Australia so I come over sign for the club that I was supporting as a scholar and yeah when you're there you're gunning for the first team players spot so you kind of want them to not do so well what era was that who would have been in the first team Harry Redknapp okay didn't show what brought me through I meant how you feeling about them this season oh they've been they're not great to watch I've always liked to put Spurs on because you get an entertaining game but yeah it is a hard watch with them are they going down and you kind of are they going down ask him again intimidating go on go on just a yes or no I don't want oh I can't see Spurs that's my normal stock answer yes okay and one more thing before we go just seen a picture of Justin Bieber on social media preparing for his Coachella performance wearing a 2007 Swindon Town third shirt I mean retro where do you reckon they get them do you reckon they just see them like yeah that looks cool yeah there's got to be a link oh yeah that looks great and there's a Maple Leaf as a sponsor I'm telling you his nan was from Swindon London.

48:16Aaron Paul:Got a lovely chip shop around there right by the ground as well. Bieber's fish and chips. Bieber. Where's everyone this weekend, Jobes? I am big one this weekend actually. Blackburn. So Coventry City will be hoping that they can get the point. Although they're pretty much, they're done on this, I'll be honest. But just to confirm it all. I'm back down the road for a bit of CoCom's actually, Five Live on Saturday, Brentford. And then back on the road Sunday, Ipswich. Massive game against Middlesbrough. And then, Sunday night as? Sunday night. Oh, the FL Awards. Yeah. Well, I mean, I've got the old Dickie Bow ready and everything like that.

48:51Aaron Paul:That would be good, wouldn't it? James Bond time. That'd be good. Job's will turn up looking like a million dollars, mate. I'll be there, like, you know, just running around the gaffer doing some work. They're always good nights, though, aren't they? No, we are working, so we're on best behaviour, aren't we? You're never on best behaviour. Oh, come on. Come on. We're going to grab some hopeful winners, maybe some people still in relegation and promotion battles and get some good content. Job, you go down to the post sheets. You go down there. I go, Joby, come back in 10 minutes. Yeah, fine. Half an hour later, I'm running around.

49:16Aaron Paul:Joby, come on, let's go. I've got to wolf down my starters and main and thingy to make sure I've got enough time to do these. It'll be a reunion for you, innit? But we've got QPR this weekend. That's split allegiances, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Got a soft spot for QPR. Always will. It's at the Den, which will be a big game, massive game. That's it for this episode of Football Daily. Thank you very much. Massimo Luongo. Thanks for having me. Absolute joy. Joby, see you Sunday. Yes, mate. Look forward to it. We'll have a special episode of the pod coming to you from the EFL Awards. We'll be chatting to the great and the good of the Football League world.

49:47Aaron Paul:Hopefully go and just grab people along the way. Richie Wellens, tell him how handsome he looks. Uncle Barry Fry as well. Barry's always value it. Yeah, we'll go and see old Barrington. And just, yeah, go and enjoy it. It will be good. Remember, you can listen to the latest news and views from every EFL club on the BBC Sounds app. Just search your club's name and make sure to subscribe so you get notified whenever something new drops. As for us here on 72 Plus, the home of the EFL from Five Live Sport, we'll be back next week. Catch you then. You know what he does? He quaffs. That's what he does.

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Aaron Paul, Jobi McAnuff & Millwall midfielder Massimo Luongo chat Championship promotion race as Ipswich & Middlesbrough slip up. Hear from Leicester boss Gary Rowett ahead of their ‘last chance’ for Championship survival. Newport County manager Christian Fuchs joins the pod as his EFL survival quest nears its conclusion. And messages and voicenotes always welcome on WhatsApp to 08000 289 369.

01:25 Millwall get the weekend off 02:50 Massimo gets denied trip to Vegas 04:35 Ipswich dealt promotion blow by Portsmouth 12:20 Ipswich for 2nd or are Saints too hot? 16:05 Millwall group chat not biting on Ipswich loss 20:10 Can Southampton get automatics? 24:40 Gary Rowett on Leicester’s ‘last chance’ 30:00 Christian Fuchs talks Leicester & Newport 36:55 John Terry set to take over at Colchester 39:15 Rotherham relegated 42:45 72PLUS 72MINUS 46:00 Is Justin Bieber a Swindon Town fan?

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