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13:34Jobi McAnuff:Yeah, I think this has been more evolution than revolution. They tried to probably go a little bit too quick under Joe Edwards, I think, previously, and it didn't work. So again, I think what Alex Neal has done and what he always does, he gets an identity, he creates a team that is difficult to beat, that does work hard, that buys into his principles. And like you say, they've almost just started adding those layers, like a Barry Bannon, that quality that he, unbelievable, you know, their strength in the squad. I think that shows with last night, when you look at some of the players that were missing again, which has had to cope with at times this season, and it hasn't had a massive impact on results, which I think years gone by it has.

14:11Jobi McAnuff:So all things pointing towards a really positive crack at the end of this season. What they've given them, they're in the playoffs now, right? We all know that. So what they can do is really go out and attack games and really go out without that sort of worry of looking over their shoulder of, are we going to scrape in this season? And that makes them a really, really dangerous team because I don't think they've got the same pressure, maybe, as those teams that have been up there, all season or an Ipswich for example who we know from a financial perspective have to get back to the Premier League

14:41Aaron Paul:Do you not think there's support of pressure because he has been backed like no Millwall manager in the history of the football club has been backed no one, bear in mind up until I think around 2017 2018, their transfer record was from like 1989, it was Paul Goddard for like a million pounds, they didn't spend more than a million pounds on a player up until like 2017 or 18 He has been backed. And whether it's him making the signings or him turning around to the board saying, I want X, Y and Z, you know, they've spent the money. They've put those tools in place for him to have potential success.

15:17Jobi McAnuff:I think this is where we're seeing an example where you're giving a manager when he first comes in an opportunity, which he took and he did really well over squad. But now you're seeing the owner saying, right, actually, this is the guy that I might trust a little bit more because of what he's already done. And this is the season. And Lars already mentioned it. And it's fantastic to see Coventry, Middlesbrough, Millwall, you know, clubs that haven't had those parachute payments at the top end of the championship. It's so wide open because of the way, you know, Southampton started the season. And, you know, Sheffield United haven't been where we probably expected them to be this year.

15:50Jobi McAnuff:It's which took a long time. So this is the season. And I'm going to say gamble and I don't mean it recklessly, but maybe to say, right, what is it going to take to go that extra little step this season? within that you still got to go and get the right personnel and I think that's where between the owner Alex Neil his experience they've most certainly done that which has given them a

16:10Aaron Paul:fantastic chance I think the Premier League's very much ready for Millwall Football Club as Lyle mentioned Millwall now have a 14 point buffer down to seventh Ipswich meanwhile have lost a bit of ground in the last week a one-all draw with Leicester followed up with a thrill on a cold wet Tuesday night in Stoke the Tractor boys had to come from 2-0 down to lead 3-2 but conceded a leveller from the penalty spot in the sixth minute of stoppage time here's their boss

16:34Kieran McKenna:kieran mckenna i think it's soft it's really cruel because it's yeah a game that we should be talking about a brilliant comeback victory and you know through a little bit of composure and game management from us and for me a really soft decision um you know we have a completely different feeling just getting to that stage of the season we can't afford to let points slip away can you yeah we know that but I think it's all season it's not necessarily about this stage of the season we know we have 10 games left and we're going to have to win a lot I think we certainly have the feeling and we know ourselves that we've let points slip over the course of the season and our points total should be high for how we've been in the games generally should be higher but you can only affect the next one and I think the group are showing steps forward and even tonight to be 2-0 down away from home come back to 3-2 with a performance like that for a group that haven't had a comeback victory yet and that's been fairly so something that's been sort of said about the group.

17:35Kieran McKenna:It's about all of us sticking together and we've had a couple of big blows in the last couple of days and there's a parallel universe where we're coming back off of two brilliant wins in the last couple of days and whatever that amount of wins in a row would be and feeling fantastic and we feel completely differently right now but we need to stick together

17:53Aaron Paul:Ipswich Town they are a well they're three points and a game behind Millwall they've got a far superior goal difference I don't know if I'm not convinced and I'm just cynical what are your

18:08Jobi McAnuff:thoughts really really bad couple of results I think the the one last night as I was flip-flopping between I would say Kinski but once all that debacle had settled down it was then right what's happening in the EFL obviously and you know really bad start to the game first half in particular turn it around in the second half and you feel as though this could be a massive not just three points but like Kieran said there you know they haven't come back and won a game yet this season which is strange given the quality they've got in that squad but you're thinking when they get back to 3-2 the boost the lift the confidence because that then says to you no matter what happens to you now in the end of the season we can win a game of football then to get pegged back was it a bit soft yes the penalty was but you know to not go and win that game was a massive massive blow put so much more pressure on the games they've got left now i think you said that with the matches they've got mill coming up in a couple that looks absolutely huge i feel they're gonna have to beat millwall they're gonna have to beat southampton if they're gonna get in that top two which is obviously now gonna be a real tough ask given the form that those other teams are in someone said

19:13Aaron Paul:to me the other day too much change too soon and that's how they analyze its switch very very simply

19:20Rob Staton:i think that's probably right when you have a meteoric rise like that where you go bang bang to a place you've never been or haven't been in in so long i think it makes it really difficult for the football club to catch up but then the problem is is the fans then have an expectation of okay we've been relegated out of the premier league that's not necessarily such a bad thing because it is the Premier League. But now we expect to be in and around those top two, three, four, five positions in the championship. And football doesn't work like that. The championship is so unforgiving. And now they travel to Sheffield Wednesday this weekend and you'd think, okay, right, we need to put up a cricket score with the utmost respect to Sheffield Wednesday.

20:06Rob Staton:But if they don't do that, that's just another nail in the confidence coffin. and these games keep passing by and passing by. You've only got 10 games after the season and for every single result that doesn't go your way, it just chips away at the confidence of the players. It chips away at the confidence of the fans. They start getting a little bit testy and a little bit antsy and then you roll into the playoffs in indifferent form and we all know what that looks like. It never looks good. so I think he's got a hell of a job to motivate his troops I think he's got a hell of a job then for his troops to motivate the fans because that's the way it works and look I wish them the very best in success this season but I think if they come up against a Millwall I think they will possibly be beaten up Are they overcoached?

21:01Rob Staton:Ipswich Town

21:01Jobi McAnuff:No, I think Kieran McKenna's a fantastic coach that's one of the reasons I've sort of been so strong on them as a team potentially getting in the top two because I do look at managers and the experience that they've got and the know-how I think what he has had to juggle this year and again listen most other championship teams are saying that cannot be a problem is the squad and actually how many options he's got in pretty much every position you know we saw earlier in the season where he's juggling Philogene and Jack Clark and I know most game clubs would say yeah but that's a dream two of the best left wingers in the league, but actually to keep that balance and keep them going and being the one who's going to go and make the difference.

21:40Jobi McAnuff:Look at their bench, they've got pretty much players that would step into every other championship. But how many of those

21:46Aaron Paul:players are in form?

21:47Jobi McAnuff:That is the question and I think that is the challenge when you're not necessarily playing because he has chopped and changed. He's only really recently settled on that back four and then obviously midfield you're bringing Dan Neal in, Matt Siwa's there, Jack Taylor, Anis Mometti then comes in he's sort of flip-flopped a little bit with Jack Clark recently It started at the back though

22:06Aaron Paul:with the keeper as well I mean they've rotated the keepers you think back in the Premier League they had Aro Mureich they've gone and they took Alex Palmer from West Bromwich Albion and now they're back but they started with Christian Walton

22:16Jobi McAnuff:Yeah and I think that is for me what has been the big challenge because if I look at the table and I look at a commentary you know 10, 9, 10 out of that team if you said what's their best start in XI I'd be able to tell you you know same with Middlesbrough in recent times you know yeah maybe a little tweak here and there Millwall probably the same and it's consistency it's not necessarily the amount of quality you've got in that squad it's week in week out digging out a result on a Tuesday winning a game on a Saturday winning games when you're not at your best and I think that's probably at times it's which is Achilles' Hill this season but listen I'm not going to bet against them because there is that much amount of quality they've got in this squad

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24:49Alex Neil:72 Plus, the EFL podcast with Aaron Paul and Joby McAnuff.

24:54Aaron Paul:Our team who may have their eyes on promotion from League One next season is Sheffield Wednesday. Already relegated from the Championship, still in administration, but the race to buy the club could be nearing its conclusion. Let's bring in Rod Staten from BBC Radio Sheffield. Rob, how are you?

25:09Jon Brady:Yeah, great, thanks. Bit tired, though, because it's late night, so Sheffield Wednesday at the moment.

25:13Aaron Paul:I bet. Overnight, we got an update from the administrators. Can you fill us in?

25:18Jon Brady:Yeah, so there's a new preferred bidder. Obviously, originally, it was the James Board-led consortium. they pulled out. There's been a quick process now to find a new preferred bidder and a group led by an American gentleman called David Storch is now in pole position to buy the football club. They were interested previously. They were hoping to be the preferred bidder in December. Now they get that opportunity so they will have to go through the EFL owners and directors test. They've put down a deposit. They will go through this process and the club will hope that they are in place and the new owners as quickly as possible.

25:48Aaron Paul:You put down a deposit on the football club I mean it's not like putting down a deposit on a car or a house how how how much sort of red tape do Sheffield Wednesday and these potential new owners need to get through before they're in control of the club and they can start healing it I think that the current preferred

26:08Jon Brady:bidder is very aware that Sheffield Wednesday internally is an absolute mess I can't stress enough and perhaps I don't think on the outside people really understand how much of a mess Sheffield Wednesday is. There is probably not a club of this size in history that is a bigger mess than Sheffield Wednesday and it needs sorting out and I think they're going into that with eyes wide open and that's not so much the problem. The major issue for Sheffield Wednesday is going to be what the restrictions are on the club coming out of administration. Are the EFL going to force this 15-point deduction on them for next season?

26:47Jon Brady:What kind of restrictions are they going to be on signing players? Because they don't have a squad at the moment. They just have like a youth team with a few remaining experienced players. They don't have anything to sort of look towards next season and think on the pitch can be any kind of success. If it's minus 15, are you effectively buying a League Two football club at this point? So I think that's the most important thing. Now, I think they know Wednesday's a mess. Ground, training ground, squad, infrastructure, which all need huge repair work like you've never seen before. It's what are you actually going to be next season in League One?

27:22Jon Brady:What can you actually do? How far behind the eight ball are you going to be on the points deductions?

27:26Jobi McAnuff:Rob, just on that, you've touched on it. I was going to ask about that 15 point. It's obviously been mentioned now. I mean, for me, as an outsider, I was really hoping all the points deductions will be done with this season and you can have a clean slate with a new owner going in. And to give Sheffield Wednesday the best possible chance of getting back to where they should be. What is the latest on that? And if it is going to be, how big a blow would that be to everyone at the football club who was anticipating maybe a reset and a real good tilt at getting promoted again next year?

27:58Jon Brady:I've just done an interview with the Sheffield Wednesday Supporters Trust. They have received documentation that is from the EFL. Another club passed it on to them which explained that the points deduction is at the discretion of the EFL. So it's not a hard and fast rule necessarily, according to the supporters' trust at least, and I have contacted the EFL for a response to this, that if they wanted to, they could put the points reduction this season. Now, on the one hand, that's very reasonable, I think, because you have an owner in Dejpan Chanciri who is solely responsible for this mess. A new owner who is trying to rescue the club from this utter disaster zone of a football club that they will be buying does not need the punishments to be sort of put on their doorstep.

28:44Jon Brady:So that as they try and build this thing, they are just hamstrung immediately and almost given the impossible task of turning it around. And by the way, if you throw the book at Sheffield Wednesday, this might not go through. And then what happens then? Like, do you have no Sheffield Wednesday anymore? Is that the alternative? But then the other side of the argument is that you have clubs in recent history, e.g. Derby County and other clubs, who have also gone through this process and they will argue, hang on a minute, these rules applied to us. Why don't they apply for Sheffield Wednesday? And that is a fair argument as well.

29:21Jon Brady:and it's very difficult to know what is the grey area here to come to the best decision. Because, for example, you could then turn around and go, well, Derby's squad wasn't decimated. So when they went down, they had a fighting chance in League One. Sheffield Wednesday's current squad, or what it will look like next season, will not have a fighting chance if you throw absolutely everything at Sheffield Wednesday. So they might be in League Two. And then, you know, what happens? Is there any future for Sheffield Wednesday? So they've got to make a decision. I think, personally, though, having sort of spent far too long trying to work out or find out what the rules are for the EFL, I think there is one thing we can probably all agree with, that Sheffield Wednesday Football Club can't be constantly punished for the mistakes of one owner who is a million miles away from the football club now.

30:02Jon Brady:The next people who are basically saving the club, and it's a big old club with a lot of supporters and a lot of people who care very passionately about it, the club needs the chance to just crack on here and survive. Not with any kind of advantages. There's no advantages at Sheffield Wednesday. It's a mess. But they need the chance to just start afresh without sort of feeling like the ghost of Chan Siri is hanging over Hillsborough for the next year, two, year, three years. But at the moment, the trust are claiming that the EFL have made it aware that Wednesday will have a points deduction and will have a budget limit next season on wages and who they'll be able to sign, which is below the average of a League One football club.

30:43Rob Staton:I just think that's wrong. If the football club is sold and the new owners come in, why would they then feel the need to punish a new owner who is trying to rebuild one of the oldest institutions we have in football in this country it's wrong that they then have to deal with nonsense from the governing body because somebody who came before them mistreated the asset that in my opinion that's wrong whether it was right when it happened to derby i think it's wrong and that needs to be looked at because you cannot keep punishing someone for something that they haven't done.

31:20Aaron Paul:Rob what do you reckon how quick could we potentially see Sheffield Wednesday in new ownership?

31:26Jon Brady:Well I think provided that there is some clarity provided fairly quickly by the EFL what exactly the potential situation is going to be next season this could happen quite quickly these owners have been through a lot of the work that would have needed to be taken place previously when they wanted to be preferred bidder in December. So a lot of that work's done. I believe that they'd already sort of started working with the EFL to begin the initial process of the owners and directors test. So they're not starting things like today, for example. That work has already been undertaken and is in process.

31:59Jon Brady:So theoretically, it could take a reasonably quick amount of time to get things done. I feel as if, though, everybody needs to know exactly what they're walking into here. They need to know. The trust are claiming, again, this is the trust claiming this, that the EFL informed everybody in this group on Tuesday morning of what the restrictions were going to be as they were preparing to agree to sign a deal to be the preferred bidder. The club's been in administration for months, the trust have argued. Why is this only being made aware of this on Tuesday? they've still done the deal to agree to become the preferred bidder and now they need the clarity as to what exactly the situation is that has to happen ASAP if they get that and if it's reasonable this football club could have new owners fairly quickly

32:55Aaron Paul:Rob, great to have you on with us thank you for the insight Rob Staten, BBC Radio Sheffield with us now the big one for the weekend bottom of League One Port Vale knocking Premier League Sunderland out of the FA Cup to reach a quarterfinals for the first time since 1954. They go to Stamford Bridge to play Chelsea in the last day. I've been catching up with the Port Vale boss, John Brady. He said you didn't even watch the draw.

33:19Lyle Taylor:Aaron, yeah, I went for a walk with my dog, mate. I didn't really want to see it, to be honest. I walked through the door and the kids told me that it was Chelsea away.

33:28Aaron Paul:John, is it a good distraction, the FA Cup, for the squad, obviously, with the pressures of the league?

33:33Lyle Taylor:I think it's good for the finances for the football club and for the fans. But realistically, the challenge I was brought in for was to try and mount a challenge to see if we could get close to those teams above us. And it is, for me, it is a bit of an unwanted distraction. But as I've said, I've got to take it as a privilege because when you get these opportunities as a League One football club, they rarely come along. And for the fans and for our players who richly deserve, you know, what they've done to get here.

34:09Aaron Paul:Your owner, Carol Shanahan, is an absolute powerhouse of a human being, a phenomenal woman who leads that club and runs it like her family. I understand she didn't make the Bristol City tie because one of her goats was about to give birth. We want to know what the situation with that is. But did she make it for the Sunderland game?

34:28Lyle Taylor:Okay, so the goat still hasn't given birth currently at the moment. it's drawn out, it is actually milking it, so little pun there mate but yeah, Carol came to the game on Saturday which was great and obviously she was over the moon, her and Kevin and you know, as you say mate, she's told me about the analogy about us this season and she said football's like a game of, I think I've repeated a few times but football's like a game of snakes and ladders and sometimes you hit a big snake and you go down or sometimes you hit a big ladder and you go up but we must stay on the board, she's always told me.

35:12Aaron Paul:Absolutely, I'm sure she'll be back keeping vigil with Cinnamon right now. Just one more, John, before you leave us. Are you enjoying yourself again? I know you had a bit of time after leaving Northampton Town to reconnect and sort of, you know, take some time with the family and you're waiting for the right job. Are you enjoying it again?

35:31Lyle Taylor:I am really enjoying it thanks Aaron loving every minute, loving the challenge mate and I'm really connected with a group of players we feel we're making a difference with them and they're loving their football at the moment and we've connected with the fans so look if we do it, great, if we don't do it we'll try and bounce back next year and obviously we've got this FA Cup to contend with and And what a great day out for our fans that'll be.

36:01Aaron Paul:The Port Vale boss, John Brady, joining us on Five Live Sport back on Monday. I have had an update from Carol Shanahan on Cinnamon the Goat. She just messaged me and said, you've got Radio 4 on about the damn goat. The goat has become a media superstar. We need to have words. And by pure chance, I'm going to Port Vale on Saturday. So I reckon I'm going to get a clip around the ear from Carol Shanahan for telling everyone about Cinnamon the goat. But look, I mean, yeah, what a name, what a story, what a club. And what a good human being Carol is. We know how tough it was at the start of the season, Joby, to let go of Darren Moore.

36:42Aaron Paul:She is someone who believed, she believed that he would take that club into the championship and he'll be a real long-term manager for them. It didn't work. She gave him ample time and they parted company. But in John Brady, again, I think she's got herself a really really good head coach and whether they stay in League 1 or they are relegated to League 2 they've got someone there who's going to build a really good foundation.

37:05Jobi McAnuff:Yeah well firstly I mean only in the EFL would you have an owner missing a massive game because their goat is giving birth but that's brilliant. In terms of Carol I'm just really pleased they've had a little bit of a good story because it has been a tough old season and you know she is a good owner. You know we talk a lot you know we've just We've spoken about Sheffield Wednesday on the pod and numerous other, you know, rogue owners who leave clubs in an absolute mess and have no real regard for community and fan base. Carol is on the absolute opposite end of that spectrum. So really pleased for her that they've had a bit of a nice positive story, which has come off the back of a real tough league campaign.

37:45Jobi McAnuff:And I think it's going to be difficult. It's interesting hearing John Brady saying it's been a distraction. I think the cut run has helped them in terms of getting a bit of feel-good factor around the football club is it going to be enough to keep them up? Probably not but again another good person, Darren Moore, good person I think ultimately if you are going to have a bad season or not succeed you want to do it with good people around you because at least everyone you know has given their best effort they're honest and it just hasn't quite been good enough and I think that's going to be the story for Port Vale this season

38:16Aaron Paul:Going into this game Lyle Chelsea's last 19 home games against lower league teams in domestic competitions, 19 wins 72 goals scored 36 different scores but would it surprise you if I told you that the last time Port Vale played Chelsea they beat them, do you know when?

38:36Rob Staton:I'm going to say long before me and you were born, Joby might have been alive though

38:41Aaron Paul:that's cruel, I think you could add all of our ages together and get it It was April 1929, Port Vale beating Chelsea by a goal. That's the last time the two teams met.

38:52Rob Staton:I mean, you could probably simulate it 10 ,000 times and they might win it once. But they've earned the right to a really, really good day out. Their fans, the players. And I would like to know what the baby goat's going to be called. What is a baby goat called? Is it a kid? Is it a kid, isn't it? Yeah, so what's the kid going to be called? Have we got that message? Lyle. Yes. I can nominate it as a name, potentially, if you want. No, no, no, no, no. We're not doing that. Why not? No. I just want to know what the baby... Ben Wayne? Ben Wayne is going to be called. Ben John Wayne.

39:27Aaron Paul:Ben John Wayne. You say about Chelsea and it being difficult. Don't forget, Bradford City beat Chelsea 4-2 away. Felipe Moura scored, who started his career at Chelsea. Remember that quite as long. the overriding story. It was Bradford under Phil Parkinson. I think it was Parkey, wasn't it? Parkey against Jose Mourinho. It can be done again. You never know. Let's finish with this.

40:02Aaron Paul:Yeah, it's time for Joby's best and worst EFL moments of the week. Jobes, what you got?

40:08Jobi McAnuff:Well, I've got to kick off from what has been a bad week for Luton Town. on a draw last night and I'm going back to the game against Reading where the defending was absolutely calamitous Josh Keely, Cal Naismith getting in all types of bother a real example of how not to play out from the back.

40:27Aaron Paul:Let's hear it. Richie's pounced again, here's Ahibacheman,

40:31Alex Neil:hat-trick for Kelvin Ahibacheman! 3-2 to Reading at Kenilworth Road in front of the Reading fans, What a moment for Kelvin E! Absolutely fantastic for him. And Ritchie again at the centre of it. Luton trying to be a little bit clever, trying to play out from the back.

40:51Aaron Paul:I was there, and let me tell you, the defending was absolutely abysmal. Jack Wilshere, not a happy chappy after that one. I can tell you that the players were in the dressing room for some time, because I had to wait for my interview. Anyway, Joby, you're 72+.

41:06Jobi McAnuff:Yeah, I'm going to go for Bolton with a massive late, late comeback against Wickham in League 1. 2-0 down going into the final few minutes. They score in the 88th and the 91st to draw level. And then this happens in the 95th minute of the match.

41:23Aaron Paul:Here it is.

41:23Alex Neil:Blackett Taylor with a third for Bolton Wanderers. Oh, what a goal for Bolton. Deserving to win any game, anywhere. Beat two players. It opened up for him. An absolutely delicious shot. Just kissed the fire upright. Right into the top corner. Top corner. Top drum. Top goal. Top winner for Wanderers.

41:49Aaron Paul:Love it. But, Joby, crucially, no Corey Blackett-Taylor in our fantasy EFL teams.

41:56Jobi McAnuff:No, I did an Aaron Paul and didn't change my team over. That's my excuse. But actually still did okay, considering. not as bad as when you don't change yours over for like four months Mine's only like a week or two

42:08Aaron Paul:Consistency is everything in life, Joby

42:12Jobi McAnuff:Yeah, unfortunately I've slipped down a little bit I was having a decent little run sort of aiming top 20 and it's gone the opposite way the last few weeks I'm a little bit like QPR I did their game the other day my flip-flops are on I'm on the beach, mate can't get promoted can't get relegated just mid-table obscurity

42:27Aaron Paul:Top of our league Superdons 1988 1988. I'm sure they'd love a big shout out from you, Lyle.

42:36Rob Staton:Superdon's 1988. Go and win the league for us. Come on.

42:39Aaron Paul:I picked up a solid 13 points this week. I'm happy Sloan's steady wins.

42:42Jobi McAnuff:Can we just confirm that's the lowest score in our 147 team league. Sometimes you have good weeks.

42:51Aaron Paul:Sometimes you have bad weeks. It happens. It's okay. We go again. Where's everyone this weekend? I'm away at Worthing on another plastic pitch.

42:59Rob Staton:Woohoo. How many do you reckon are you going to get this season? You're on 23 at the moment I would like to get 20 in the league which would see me hit 28 that's the target for me from this point and then if we reach that then we readjust, reassess

43:15Aaron Paul:Love it, Joves where are you going?

43:17Jobi McAnuff:I am going to be in Wrexham on Friday night big Welsh battle Wrexham Swansea so always a cracking atmosphere obviously disappointing result for Wrexham last night but a chance to get back on what has been a really good run of late. So, yeah, it should be a few Hollywood big hitters on site, I believe.

43:35Aaron Paul:Oh, yeah, like?

43:36Jobi McAnuff:Like Jody McAnuff. Rob and Ryan and maybe a few other superstars from the world of EFL. Aaron Paul, are you going to be there?

43:44Aaron Paul:Yeah, I'm going to be there. Looking forward to it. I can't wait for the game. Yeah, look at Lyle.

43:48Jobi McAnuff:Where's my invite? So I don't even get an invite.

43:51Aaron Paul:You've been dropped, pal. We've done a kinski on you.

43:56Jobi McAnuff:have you got have you got a Deadpool fancy dress costume you can come up in that mate if you have

44:00Aaron Paul:no I'm waiting for one of them to turn around to me and go so you're the real Aaron Paul I'm going to be like yeah mate that's just me that's me there's only one AP that is it for this episode of the Football Daily thank you to Joby thank you to Lyle as for us here on 72 Plus the EFL pod we'll be back next week catch you there boys quote me on this here we go Oh, here we go. Yeah. Something outlandish coming right now. I think we can make the playoffs.

44:31Rob Staton:See, I said this to a Wimbledon fan who come down to the game yesterday. And he went, no, no, no, no, no. We're happy where we are. We'll just sit. I said, look, there's an outside chance they could sneak in. We can make the playoffs. And I'll tell you one.

44:42Aaron Paul:OK, hear me out.

44:43Rob Staton:Nine points.

44:44Aaron Paul:Everyone around us is dropping points. Joby, have some respect. It's your former football club. Have some respect. Everyone around us is dropping points. one. B A lot of traffic mate. B A lot of traffic not a problem. Seven of our last 12 are at the lane. Yeah. We've got on average one to two games in hand over everyone around us as well. Yeah. So if we pick up that six points we go to within three points of the playoffs. And then I'm looking at it and I'm thinking Stevenage I'm realistic one point Orient three points Peterborough three points Revenge early in the season Stockport away we'll probably get beat Lincoln away we'll probably get beat but here comes the running.

45:24Aaron Paul:Luton at home, three points. Burton are being away, three points. Stockport at home, three points. Plymouth at home, three points. Wigan away, three points. Huddersfield, the adjuster game. The playoff adjuster game. Who do we fancy? Do we fancy finishing fifth? Do we fancy finishing fourth? Do we want to finish sixth? We'll go and beat Huddersfield on the last day. I reckon we'll lose two games.

45:43Jobi McAnuff:I love the fact you actually think you're going to...

45:44Aaron Paul:Okay, do you know when I had this thought? Do you know when I had this thought, though? Do we want to finish fifth or sixth? Last night at about midnight, and I was supposed to be asleep, and I was basically texting our director of football and I'm telling you something, I can't stop thinking about it. The playoffs are in sight. Quote me on it. We can do it.

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