72+ EFL Pod: West Brom & Walsall woes

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72+ EFL Pod: West Brom & Walsall Woes

Hosts: Aaron Paul, Jobi McAnuff, Tommy Smith Guests: Chris Hall (Albion Analysis Podcast), Graham Alexander (Bradford City Manager), Mike Taylor (BBC WM)

This episode discusses the latest updates from the English Football League (EFL), focusing primarily on the struggles of West Bromwich Albion and Walsall, alongside Middlesbrough's dipping performance in the Championship.

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Key Discussion Points

Winter Olympic Fever

  • Jobi's Hiatus: Jobi McAnuff talks about his engagement with the Winter Olympics, particularly curling, which he humorously compares to his fantasy football team.

Championship Title Race

  • Middlesbrough's Struggles:
  • Kim Hellberg, Middlesbrough's manager, reflects on their recent drop in form after failing to secure wins against Coventry and Oxford, leading to concerns about their championship title aspirations.
  • Discussion on the pressure from Ipswich Town, who are in strong form and challenging for the top spots.
  • Ipswich's Potential:
  • Jobi and Tommy highlight Ipswich as potential contenders for the second place, emphasizing their tactical improvement and strong squad depth.

West Bromwich Albion's Managerial Changes

  • Eric Ramsay Sacked:
  • Discussion on West Brom's managerial instability following the dismissal of Eric Ramsay after just 44 days.
  • Chris Hall's Input:
  • Chris reflects on the short-lived tenure and the issues Ramsay faced, including a disconnect with players and fans, and the tactical failures leading to their current league position just above the relegation zone.

League One Updates

  • Lincoln's Impressive Run:
  • Lincoln City went on an impressive 16-match unbeaten streak, with strong performances elevating them in the league standings.
  • Bradford City Insights:
  • Graham Alexander discusses Bradford's success and home advantage, emphasizing their strong performance at Valley Parade despite mixed results away from home.

League Two Dynamics

  • Walsall's Decline:
  • Mike Taylor sheds light on Walsall's fall from grace, moving from league leaders in December to outside playoff contention, and the implications this has on the fanbase's morale.
  • Psychological Impact:
  • The importance of mental resilience is discussed as Walsall struggles to convert performances into goals.

Miscellaneous Highlights

  • Joe Hart's Return:
  • Joe Hart joins Shrewsbury Town's coaching staff, reinforcing the club's connection with local players and its community.
  • Celebrity in EFL:
  • Mention of Snoop Dogg's appearance at Swansea, adding a humorous note about celebrity culture in the EFL.

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Key Takeaways

  • Managerial Instability: The frequent changes in management, especially at West Brom, highlight the challenges clubs face in maintaining continuity and performance.
  • Title Race Pressure: The Championship title race is tightening with teams like Ipswich looking to capitalize on Middlesbrough's recent slip in form.
  • Fan Frustration: Both Walsall and West Brom fans express growing concerns, with the latter's historical struggles in changing managerial fortunes.
  • Community Connection: The involvement of local heroes like Joe Hart in coaching roles signifies a growing trend towards community engagement within football clubs.

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Upcoming Matches

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  • Newcastle vs. Everton (Saturday 15:00)
  • Leeds vs. Man City (Saturday 17:30)
  • Rangers vs. Celtic (Sunday 12:00)
  • Man Utd vs. Crystal Palace (Sunday 14:00)
  • Fulham vs. Tottenham (Sunday 14:00)
  • Brighton & Hove vs. Nottingham Forest (Sunday 14:00)
  • Arsenal vs. Chelsea (Sunday 16:30)

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Conclusion This episode presents an engaging discussion on the current state of the EFL, with insights into team dynamics, managerial changes, and the psychological impacts of performance on clubs and their supporters. The hosts emphasize the unpredictable nature of football, making the remainder of the season exciting for fans.

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Chapters

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Recap of Football Matches

0:45 to 4:22

Discussion on recent EFL match days and personal reflections from the hosts.

“Welcome everybody to 72 Plus, the EFL pod from 5 Live Sport.”

Middlesbrough's Recent Performance

4:22 to 7:30

Analysis of Middlesbrough's recent games and performance issues in the league.

“I've been in Walsall shortly, but twists and turns in the championship title race.”

West Bromwich Albion's Coaching Change

7:30 to 12:05

Discussion on the sacking of West Brom's head coach and team challenges.

“because they've got two games in hand over Middlesbrough, and they're six points behind.”

Analyzing Eric Ramsey's Tenure

12:05 to 14:02

Examination of Eric Ramsey's brief managerial stint and its impact on team performance.

“It was sort of can't score, won't score.”

Managerial Instability at West Brom

14:02 to 15:09

Discussing the rapid turnover of managers at West Brom and its implications.

“And he speaks like an academic rather than a football manager at times.”

Current Squad Challenges

15:09 to 17:24

Analyzing the issues faced by the West Brom squad and their potential relegation.

“Let's not narrow this problem down and say this is just a problem with Eric Ramsey.”

Fan Perspectives and Future Choices

17:24 to 18:16

Exploring fan opinions on potential managerial candidates and club direction.

“but maybe there's somebody floating around out of work there who has a love and affiliation for the club, maybe a Gary Megson, a Darren Moore or something like that who wants to come and help out.”

Lincoln's Impressive Form

18:16 to 19:44

Highlighting Lincoln City's unbeaten run and performance this season.

“Government doesn't want to be involved in this.”

Team Dynamics and Strategies

19:44 to 21:42

Examining Lincoln's strategic approach to matches and squad strengths.

“And, you know, they are the all-round package.”

Graham Alexander's Coaching Insights

21:42 to 23:35

Graham Alexander discusses the impact of home crowds on team performance.

“That is the word to describe how they do it.”
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Bradford's Home vs. Away Performance

23:35 to 25:59

Analyzing Bradford's performance differences between home and away games.

“We just talked about enjoying the experience, you know, and actually what do you think of when you're eight years old, playing in front of big stadiums, in front of big crowds.”

Walsall's Decline and Future Prospects

25:59 to 28:00

Discussing Walsall's recent struggles and the implications for their season.

“valley parade but you've got to be able to go and perform and dig out a result at the moment they're not doing that and that is what potentially could it be a factor in them making sure they make playoff places.”

Walsall's Struggles Under Matt Sadler

28:00 to 33:10

Explore the challenges faced by Walsall and the fans' frustrations.

“And now 10th with one win since Boxing Day.”

Supporters Trust Statement and Fan Division

33:10 to 34:20

Discussion on the supporters trust's statement and the divided fanbase.

“And then the ownership have come out and there's been sort of like a right to reply effectively.”

Shrewsbury's Revival Under Gavin Cowan

34:20 to 35:58

Analysis of Shrewsbury's turnaround with new management and team spirit.

“I really appreciate the insight, the legendary Mike Taylor from BBC WM with us talking all things Walsall.”

Joby's Best and Worst Moments of the Week

35:58 to 40:00

A look at notable highs and lows across the football league this week.

“Joby, ever thought of going back to one of your former clubs as a coach, just helping out?”

Random Celebrity Sightings in Football

40:00 to 42:00

Fun anecdotes about celebrities appearing at EFL games and fan reactions.

“Mate, mate, it's better than my fantasy Premier League team.”

Random Celebrity Sightings in EFL Games

42:00 to 42:52

Discussing the most random celebrity appearances at EFL games.

“Chant and Wrexham and then Fulham on Sunday to watch the Spurs.”
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Transcript

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0:00Chris Hall:This BBC podcast is supported by ads outside the UK. This is not the future we were promised. Like, how about that for a tagline for the show?

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0:47Aaron Paul:Welcome everybody to 72 Plus, the EFL pod from 5 Live Sport. Great to be alongside you this week after what feels like a real mammoth couple of match days across the football league again back with us like the renegade master Joby Mackennaught after a week's hiatus and and funny you you missed out Joby and Jack Radone coming back into my fantasy EFL team and it makes you think I think you're just having a negative energy sort of negative sort of effect on my on my team and how they're doing I think you just were lucky

1:19Jobi McAnuff:I think you just left him in from last season you haven't even put him in recently and he's finally come good mate do you know what i mean coventry city fans been waiting for him as well yeah gutted i missed last week i was banging to the winter olympics mate i've got to say and that isn't the reason i missed it though i wasn't too busy watching curling uh but what a brilliant couple of weeks great coverage by the bbc family got fully fully involved went down to ali pali bit

1:42Aaron Paul:of ice skating you weren't watching curling you were practicing and we had a little bit in the

1:47Jobi McAnuff:house i've got to say the boys my two boys really really got into it and then they disappeared out the back room one comes back with one of these little football sort of shaped things that you can play on sort of wooden or tiled floors got a little hover a hover thing and then the other one picks up the broom next thing i know they're sort of lobbing it along the floor with the sweeping and then it goes one step further like oh we need to need to have a house and for anyone who doesn't intercurling that's basically the area that um the uh stones target yeah yeah so we've got these dry wipe wiper markers all of a sudden i'm getting the clock down off the wall drawing circles on the floor missus wasn't happy i've got to say but uh we had a little bit of fun so big big big shout out to all the winter olympic fans out there project mackenough 2k30 continues

2:36Aaron Paul:will we see a mackenough at any form of olympic games uh also back with us remember mate come on

2:43Jobi McAnuff:i'll never forget that mate come on feel the rhythm feel the ride i mean i mean actually

2:47Aaron Paul:you tell me when cool runnings came out and obviously your dad the legendary mackenough senior is uh is is very much proud he's very jamaican he's he's an absolute hero um were you

3:00Jobi McAnuff:like dad oh that is it's down it's in this it's one of those iconic films anyone jamaican i'm just and listen it's it's bigger than just jamaican i think jamaica's got such a great affinity around the world and that pretty much sums it up we're always told you know it's a small country you know you can't do this but you know constantly going out and achieving amazing things so yeah we

3:21Aaron Paul:had a rerun of that recently as well absolutely john candy in that film john candy in general just a legendary actor and tommy smith alongside us the middlesbrough loans manager you and i we didn't see each other yesterday i was slamming it in the press seats at watford uh the press facilities at watford are salubrious but not as salubrious as the private box tommy smith had all to himself yesterday how were the biscuits tom the biscuits were fantastic the game you were

3:49Mike Taylor:there as probably wasn't as fantastic um but yeah it wasn't any prawn sandwiches for me joeby

3:56Aaron Paul:tell you that now the buffet was distinctly lacking uh joeby to the point where tommy and i were debating going for a post-match kebab uh but he said he'd been thrown a loaf of bread by someone and just told to make do with it. Cold flask of tea, loaf of bread and some rogue biscuits.

4:14Mike Taylor:All I need for a game of football, ours, is a nice cup of tea. So I was more than happy.

4:19Aaron Paul:Yeah, we'll get on to our main stories of West Bromwich. I've been in Walsall shortly, but twists and turns in the championship title race. Middlesbrough dropping more points on Tuesday night. They lost to Coventry, drew with Oxford, and now they've drawn with Leicester. Let's quickly hear from the borough boss, Kim Helberg.

4:34Mike Taylor:I think we're in very good positions a lot, creating a lot of opportunities, But for us now the ball is not going into the net to win it. But again, in those performers taking two more points to the tally, we wanted more. But that's done. You cannot toss it. The game is played, so we have to work from it. And then again, it's for us to keep improving. That's the thing. It will be ups and downs. If it would be easy, everyone would do it. So it's just to keep working hard. For us, we're in a good position. We're in an unbelievably good position. and we'll keep growing and work hard to keep it.

5:10Aaron Paul:It feels like that Coventry defeat was a bit of a kick in the proverbials for Middlesbrough and it hasn't set them back, but it's knocked them back just slightly.

5:20Jobi McAnuff:Yeah, I was really keen to see how they reacted to that actually because they were in such good form going into that game, playing some brilliant football. And what you want to do after what was a disappointing result is just get back on that winning run as quickly as you can. I think particularly with the situation and Ipswich sort of lurking a couple of games in hand and it feels a little bit similar. I'm sure Tommy won't mind coming in, but when they went through the little run earlier in the season under Kim Helberg, where they probably performance-wise were still more than OK. They just weren't able to take those opportunities that they were creating.

5:56Jobi McAnuff:It definitely felt like that against Oxford United, in terms of dominating the game and not being able to get that goal. And then obviously the Leicester game, going at a goal behind and getting themselves back in but not quite able to go and finish the job. So I don't think it's overly worrying, but you do need to get back to winning ways sooner rather than later. They've got a huge game coming up next against Birmingham, but I'm sure he'll just keep him pressing on, making sure the performance levels are there and hopefully the goals come too.

6:25Mike Taylor:I think back to the little, I'm not even going to call it a wobble it was far from a wobble where there was three or four games where we didn't perhaps get the results that the performance deserved and it just feels a little bit similar to that at the minute I mean I was at the Coventry game I was at the Oxford game but it just shows I mean listen Oxford and Leicester are in a position where they're absolutely fighting for absolutely everything at the minute and there's no guarantees of a win in this division there's just not you know Middlesbrough have been on an unbelievable run the six games on the bounce of wins but that doesn't mean that they're automatically that they're just going to win every single game between now and the end of the season.

7:00Mike Taylor:Each game throws up different challenges, three-game week challenges, obviously the fatigue on the players, all these types of bits and pieces. And this is not me making excuses, far from it. But it just shows that on any given day, any team can provide a threat to anyone. And Oxford come, they've done a job, they got a point. And Leicester come and done a job last night. So, long way to go. There's five games now between now and the international break. So, a real good chance for Middlesbrough to get back on the horse and pick up as many points as possible.

7:29Aaron Paul:It's Ipswich I worry about, though, because they've got two games in hand over Middlesbrough, and they're six points behind. And if there's one thing Kieran McKenna's side can do, and I watched it last night, and Tommy weighed in on this, they're not the side of a couple of years ago. They're not that all-action, gung-ho, high-octane stuff. They're so controlled, and they've got the midfield right. Dan Neal, masterclass of a signing. They can do death by passing till the cows come home. And I don't know. I've just got this feeling if there's one team to mess up that top two, it's going to be them.

8:01Jobi McAnuff:Yeah, and it should be them as I've got to be honest. When you look through that squad, you know, you bring in, you know, George Hurst off the bench. You've got Anis Mometti. To be able to go and do that in January, get Mometti, you know, get Dan Neal. You know, that is just resources that other clubs don't have at the level. And I just feel that over the course of the whole season, that will come to fruition for them. And again, you talk about the manager. so calm you know someone who's been there he's obviously got promotion from the league and just in those early stages of the season where there was a little bit of discontent obviously not quite having the start that they wanted he's the one that would always come out and front it up and you know I think he's going to have a huge part to play and that then also radiates through the dressing room you know and I think for him and for Ipswich Town that is what is going to get them over the line.

8:51Jobi McAnuff:I believe they will be in the top two. I genuinely do believe that.

8:54Aaron Paul:Who drops out?

8:56Jobi McAnuff:I'm going to say Middlesbrough. As much as performances have been okay the last couple of games, I do think they have a little bit of an issue breaking down teams where they sit deep. They've been at their best when teams try and take them on and they're a fantastic football team. But I just feel that, you know, Ipswich is, I talk about it a lot, but the strength and depth, able to rotate keep people fresh we know you know we've got loads of games you're gonna have a massive easter program coming up um so i just feel that they're gonna have enough in their locker to

9:26Aaron Paul:muscle into that top two let me tell you this last 10 to half games of the season is going to be an absolute roller coaster there's going to be twisting turns there's going to be twisting turns

9:35Mike Taylor:there always is going to be from from a neutral point of view that is exactly what we want from a millisburg point of view i would definitely rather it not be like that but ultimately that's just how it is in the championship.

9:45Aaron Paul:Yeah, but no one wants a boring title race, do they? Or a scrap for survival. What's your favourite rollercoaster, Tommy? Rollercoaster?

9:52Mike Taylor:Yeah. I don't do rollercoasters, mate. Just the EFL rollercoaster's enough for me. Good answer.

9:58Aaron Paul:Good answer. So, Borough picking up a point against Leicester, who are still in the relegation places. Meanwhile, West Bromwich Albion are one point above the drop zone, but now minus a head coach. Eric Ramsey sacked after 44 days following Tuesday night. draw at home to Charlton let's bring in Chris Hall from the Albion Analysis podcast Chris great to have you on with us is this one or two games too late um I mean I don't it seems weird to even say

10:26Tommy Smith:that Aaron when he only survived nine games eight in the league you know I mean it's it's such a short tenure anyway the I think the more important question is should he should he have been hired in the first place you know and this is nothing against Eric Ramsey I'm probably one of the few people who still sits here and and i'll probably get a laugh for saying this i don't think what's happened here makes him a terrible manager i just think it made it made him a terrible fit for our situation he wanted to play a completely different style of football he immediately moved us to a back five when we played with a back four for as long as i can remember and it didn't work it was an absolute disaster it resulted in a five nil defeat against norwich which i think is the worst home defeat we've ever had in the second tier um it then resulted in a three nil spanking at Portsmouth which to be honest should have been five or six um they they absolutely mullered us um and then he switched to a back four but he could he just couldn't pull it back from there you know he has since he switched to the back four he has he has sort of drawn three out of four um it hasn't been the absolute horror show that it was but unfortunately he's come into a situation that was already tenuous because we were teetering on the brink of the relegation zone and are only out of it because Leicester have got financials, the stuff that has caused a points deduction.

11:46Tommy Smith:And unfortunately, draws just aren't going to wash at the moment. And he's the first Albion manager in history, from what I can see as well, to go his first eight games without a win in the second tier as well. So he's broken a lot of unwanted records and he probably wasn't the right man to begin with. I was at your game against Stoke and it was just tedious.

12:08Aaron Paul:It was boring. It was sort of can't score, won't score. And you failed to understand and see sort of like, you know, where the team was going effectively. And we've come to this and you're back to square one again.

12:21Tommy Smith:To be fair, Aaron, you've got to put that in the context of what had gone before it. you know we'd conceded three against Middlesbrough we'd conceded five against Norwich and we conceded three against Portsmouth there was an element of back to basics with Stoke of we needed something to build on we needed to stop conceding goals before we could even think about scoring them I agree with you I sat there and I was as probably comatose as you were watching that it wasn't great but at the same time look you can't just flip a switch I mean the guys who've played the game Well, no, when you're on a horrible run, you can't just go and flip a switch and say, well, OK, we're going to go from losing 5-0 and 3-0 to blowing this team away and winning 2-3-0.

13:04Tommy Smith:So I understood exactly what he was trying to do.

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13:08Jobi McAnuff:I feel even from his first interview and actually his last one, I listened to it post-match yesterday, there's been no sense of sort of urgency, even excitement at times when I listen to him. And, you know, West Brom is a fantastic, one of the biggest clubs in the championship. There's no two ways about it. You know, I used to love going there as a player and the atmosphere and, you know, passion of the fans. Do you think that's been a big problem in probably why he hasn't been able to connect to the fan base, but also that dressing room? Because, you know, clearly performances haven't been anywhere near the level.

13:41Jobi McAnuff:Listen, for an extended period, yes, but they've gone even further back than under Ryan Mason.

13:47Tommy Smith:Tell you what, Joe, imagine how big we'll be in League One then. But no, I get your point. And I think he's an interesting case, isn't he? Because he's not your traditional manager. He's very young. He's from an academic background. And he speaks like an academic rather than a football manager at times. He speaks almost like a psychologist at times rather than a football manager. And I can see how that wouldn't necessarily always connect with players. I personally don't dislike it. I understood what he was trying to say the majority of the time. Whereas under Ryan Mason, he said some bizarre things like putting injured players on the bench for morale.

14:30Tommy Smith:I didn't understand that. Putting two goalkeepers on the bench because he didn't want to put young outfield players on there if they hadn't earned it. I didn't really understand that. So at least I got where Eric Ramsey was coming from to a certain degree. I think the bigger problem for me is the squad of players that it seems like they decide almost when they're not having a manager. They've chewed managers up and spat them out. I mean, let's, you know, Eric Ramsey's lasted nine games, 44 days, but Ryan Mason only managed 27 games and Tony Mowbray before him only managed 17 days. Let's not narrow this problem down and say this is just a problem with Eric Ramsey.

15:15Tommy Smith:we're going through managers at a rate where most people have hot dinners and you've got to ask yourself what does that say about this group of players well Chris I mean listen there's 14 games

15:27Mike Taylor:to go I'm sure there really is now a serious realization that this football club can be relegated where do they go next because I genuinely do believe they are really really

15:37Tommy Smith:banging trouble at the minute god yeah without a shadow of a doubt we're I mean look I I'd have a I personally would have as favourites to go down at this stage because everybody else is showing signs of life down there. Blackburn have had a couple of wins. OK, Leicester probably haven't had the results that they wanted, but at least they're scoring a few goals. You know, Pompey have had a really good run. And even Oxford have ground out a really good draw at Middlesbrough of late. So there's signs of life from everybody down there except for us. As for where they go next, I don't know. Because you've got James Morrison in charge for now.

16:14Tommy Smith:I mean, the mad thing is this is this is Moza's third interim spell in nine months, which is absolutely crazy, by the way. Do they try and find an experienced head to try and guide the ship? But they will probably have to go and find somebody who is out of work and not being paid off by a club as well, because obviously most clubs put people on gardening leave nowadays, and that would mean them walking away from a lucrative amount of money, which they're not going to do to come and join our situation. But the other side of it is our financial position, because the club's been very open about this.

16:49Tommy Smith:We've been very, very close to the PSR wire and very close to potentially incurring a points deduction, which we've managed to avoid up to now. But in a best case scenario is we've paid off three managers in the last nine months. A more likely scenario is that we are still paying three managers to not manage us, which leaves us with very little financial wiggle room to go and get whoever it is that we would want. I think the most likely scenario is probably James Morrison until the end of the season, but maybe there's somebody floating around out of work there who has a love and affiliation for the club, maybe a Gary Megson, a Darren Moore or something like that who wants to come and help out.

17:36Tommy Smith:I don't know is the simple answer to your question.

17:39Aaron Paul:The fans want village, don't they?

17:41Tommy Smith:I don't see it with Slav. I mean, Slav's always had quite well-paid jobs and we haven't got money to chuck at someone like Slav. also Slav's football is kind of it's quite idealistic I'm not necessarily sure that's what we need in in this situation we need to I would genuinely if we were talking ex-Albion managers I would be leaning more towards a Gary Megson or even you know and some fans won't thank me for saying this a Tony Pulis type who might be able to just grind out a few one nils between now and

18:11Aaron Paul:the end of the season best of luck Chris good speaking to you that's Chris Hall from Albion analysis with us here on 72 plus the home of the efl from five live sport and let the plot will thicken and we will follow it every single step of the way if you want to contribute you can message your voice like the football daily podcast on whatsapp 08000 28936

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19:38Chris Hall:72 plus the EFL podcast with Aaron Paul and Joby McAnuff uh we'll have another chat coming up as

19:46Aaron Paul:we talk Walsall sliding down from top to 10th in league two but a couple of bits in league one first of all Lincoln City in second just a point behind the leaders Cardiff and a whopping 10 points ahead of Bolton in third and listen to this Lincoln unbeaten in league one since November 16 games unbeaten they've added well as well in january scoobs has got them going i think that's

20:10Jobi McAnuff:what people call him jokes scoobs scoobs yeah yeah yeah decent listen call him whatever he wants you to call him he's doing such a good job isn't he i mean it is one of the stories of the whole efl you know to think you know what they've got in and around them you know some of those teams that they're up against and you know just nothing seems to phase them they're getting better as well as you know i think they are probably one of those teams earlier in the season that we thought could they potentially have a little bit of a drop off at the second half of the season and they are having none of it and i think a lot of what he does sometimes goes under the radar because they have a little bit of a reputation if you look at you know possession stats which are obviously very low compared to anyone else in the league but they're effective but they also do play really good football they score goals so that for me doesn't wash they are just a very very good football team big experience at the back which i'm a huge advocate for um which has been a major part of their success in terms of being defensively solid and and organized but also not making any apologies for that as you know we hear a lot of jargon we're a lot of newer coaches younger coaches you know sound in the park but actually does that marry up to going to win football matches and actually what it requires to win football matches at times being horrible being hard to beat, going away from home and being able to dig results out, but also having the quality and scoring goals.

21:30Jobi McAnuff:And, you know, they are the all-round package. They've been absolutely outstanding.

21:34Aaron Paul:As a football club, though, I remember going and watching them under Danny Cowley and thinking something good is happening here. And they take their time with things. They do things organically. That is the word to describe how they do it. Going to see some improvements at the ground as well at Central Bank. What's going to be interesting to see is if they do follow this through, there's no reason why they shouldn't. how do you level up? How do you scale an operation like that up into the championship?

22:00Mike Taylor:Last week, Andy Woodman, who was on the pod with us, was saying that it was all about this us against the world mentality. And I think with respect to Bromley and with respect to Lincoln, when you're up against some of these bigger clubs in the league, I think you've got to have that. And it seems like Lincoln have got that. I mean, the biggest compliment I can pay them is this 16-game unbeaten run that they've been on. I mean, that in any league, in any country, is absolutely unbelievable.

22:25Aaron Paul:Shout out Jez George again. I think at Cambridge United, they called it the Jezolution. And I'm going to say the Jezolution or the Jezurrection, not the resurrection. The Jezurrection is happening. And Jez George has done a magnificent job there and continues to do so. Let's look at the situation in the playoffs right now. Bolton on 58 points. Bradford on 58 points. Stockport on 56 points. Huddersfield on 52. but the race of the playoffs is just wild. No one had stopped Port losing 3-0 at Burton on Tuesday night. Bradford, though, the standout team, fourth despite it being their first season back in League One after six seasons in League Two.

23:06Aaron Paul:Let's hear from there, boss Graham Alexander.

23:08Graham Alexander:I think the league table shows what we are as a team. I think things can get overblown sometimes. I believe in this squad and performance tonight is why I trust them.

23:17Chris Hall:I think I'm right in saying now, since the start of last season, And tonight was your 40th league game and that's your 30th league win. So that's a 75 % win percentage. What is it about playing here? What have you done to this team that makes them such a winning beast at home?

23:35Graham Alexander:We just talked about enjoying the experience, you know, and actually what do you think of when you're eight years old, playing in front of big stadiums, in front of big crowds. So here it is. That's it, really. You know what I mean? We would all choose this. if we had the choice, do you want to play in front of 2 ,000 or 20, I think everyone would choose 20, so there it is, it's right on your doorstep, that's how I see it really and I think slowly but surely we've built up a faith and a support and a patience from the support and I think it's a great venue, I love the atmosphere we create here, I love the way we play here, 30 wins out of 40 is phenomenal really to be fair yeah, if we could do it away from moment then across the mic we've been in the Premier League already won't we so uh you know let's uh let's keep working on that but look wherever you win games don't really matter as long as you win and uh we've won a lot of games graham alexander waxing lyrical about the power

24:30Aaron Paul:of valley parade and 20 000 fans after his side's 1-0 win over rotherham now they went to wimbledon at the weekend they were beating 3-1 and his comments post-match were fascinating when he turns down he goes we're used to playing in front of 20 000 people is that a cop-out because he's He made so many changes to his 11. He left arguably some of their best players. I don't know. It was just weird. It was really weird.

24:54Jobi McAnuff:Poor excuse. That was really, really poor. And listen, I know he also did mention they made five changes. He's obviously spoken about having to try and keep the squad fresh. And there is a different feel to the home games. They've been absolutely fantastic. And again, I just want to shout out everyone at that football club. They've run some brilliant initiatives to get people through the door. And it is a factor, the cost of football. making it affordable so that people can go and watch your team again as a player of course you want to play in front of the biggest crowds and you know for Bradford City we know they've always had that size stadium but it hasn't always been before I've been up there numerous times and it feels emptier because you know it is so big so to have that sort of many people in there the energy it gives to them but that could be the real key for them that home versus away form home as good as anyone apart from Cardiff so far away you know not not been good enough lost six of the seven last away games so that is definitely something to rectify that is more of a mentality and yes you might be playing in front of less fans or you know it might be a ground that isn't quite valley parade but you've got to be able to go and perform and dig out a result at the moment they're not doing that and that is what potentially could it be a factor in them making sure they make playoff places.

26:10Aaron Paul:In League 2 we mentioned having Bromley boss Sandy Woodman on last week's episode of 72+. You can still catch that over on BBC Sounds but at the top end Cambridge and MK currently join Bromley in the League 2 automatic spots. MK level on points if not to countie in 4th and Swindon in 5th. It's going to be 3 from 5 at the top. Cambridge aiming for the playoffs. Neil Harris' target was 60 points that's according to Peli, Ruddak and Panzu. Joby how do you see the top end of the league too.

26:38Jobi McAnuff:Oh, spicy, isn't it? You've got, obviously, Bromley have done great, but they've had a few draws recently. And then behind them, you know, to have sort of Cambridge, MK, Notts County and Swindon, that's 61 points. I mean, it's going to be a really interesting end to the season. Again, I would have gone MK earlier in the season. There's nothing that I've sort of seen that's changed my mind. I do think they have that ability to dig out results. They've got, obviously, good resources. They've bought well. and they've got real quality for the level. So I can certainly see them getting in the automatic places.

27:13Jobi McAnuff:And again, other than that, can Cambridge maintain it? That's going to be the big question. You're going to ask me for free. I'm going to go for Bromley, Cambridge and Notts County. No MK. You just said, yeah. Sorry, did I not say MK? Sorry, let me do that again. It's all right, that's fine. I didn't ask you for free anyway. No, you've got to keep it in.

27:31Tommy Smith:You've got to keep that in.

27:32Mike Taylor:You can't, no, you can't rewrite it. So if you're going to push me now,

27:35Jobi McAnuff:I'm going to go Bromley, MK and Nuts County as a top three.

27:38Aaron Paul:I was going to say, Joby bottling it. Anyway, we've got to push on. Amazing to see some of the falls from Grace in League 2. Salford, four defeats in a row. And their series on YouTube is becoming more and more interesting to watch. Just seeing how irate Carl Robinson gets. They're down to eighth. They were chasing the automatics. Now they've dropped out the playoff picture. But you know what it's like. Walsall, though, were four points clear at the top in December. And now 10th with one win since Boxing Day. It's happening again. With us now, Mike Taylor from BBC Radio WM. Mike, how are you, pal?

28:10Aaron Paul:Where's it gone wrong for Matt Sadler this time? Seven games of that win.

28:15Joe Hart:Yeah, they're suffering. They really are suffering. It was quite a sad place to be on Monday night with the atmosphere. I mean, the fans were tolerant, but you could sense the disappointment coming in the stadium and everybody knew what was coming once they went one down. And I think it is, much as Matt Sather has been at pains to point out since the first day of the season, that it's a fresh start. And what happened to them last season, which was really tough and everybody saw it, that it was a complete fresh start. They'd refreshed the squad. Half of them had changed and it wasn't connected to this season.

28:52Joe Hart:But it is impossible to divorce this season from last season. The fans are feeling it, even when they were still top at Christmas, but they'd had one or two dodgy results. you could hear the first murmurings of, is it happening again? And they just haven't shaken it.

29:07Aaron Paul:Is this a mentality issue? I mean, I look back at last season and you look at how far ahead they were. I mean, Ben Sadler, I've met him a couple of times. He was very impressive on the vision for the football club under the ownership and what they want to achieve. And they've got Matt Sadler. Really weird that how they're the Sadlers and their CEO is Ben Sadler and their manager is Matt Sadler. Anyway, I digress. But, you know, with Matt Sadler, it felt like they were this machine. And I watched them at Colchester, and I'll be honest with you, I was like, these lot aren't very good. And then to take it all the way to the very last game of the season and get sort of dumped out in the playoffs at Wembley, it's the biggest kick in the proverbials.

29:47Aaron Paul:And then you think, how sort of, how strong is the fight in the dog? How is Matt Sadler going to eject this season and go again? And you thought, yeah, he's done it. But the complaints on social media from Walsall fans are wild. Everyone is just not having it now.

30:05Joe Hart:Yeah, there's a lot of things at play. They have a style that has developed under Matt, which is great when you're winning. So they have a really small share of possession. I'll be the first to say that possession statistics are not everything. and for most of the last 18 months, Walsall's results have proved that. So I think at one point they had less of the ball than anybody else in League 2 and were churning out win after win. And that method is absolutely fine so long as the winning, nobody's bothered about your style of play as long as the team is winning. But as soon as you're not winning and you're not creating and taking chances, that becomes really difficult, I think, for fans to tolerate, especially at home.

30:46Joe Hart:So I think it is really awkward to take a decision on where we think par is for Warsaw as a club now. And recently Matt has pointed out, and I think it's fair for him to point out, although it never sounds good when you're on this sort of run, that they are not the best resource club in League 2. So to be where they were for most of last season and the first half of this season was well ahead of where their budget is and where their wage bill is and the resources they're after. But the problem is they've been there and fans have seen them there. and they were that close to being promoted, which also haven't been promoted for nearly 20 years now.

31:24Joe Hart:So having taken people that close, you can't then go back and say, well, actually, 9th or 10th of the table is probably about par for our budget now.

31:33Jobi McAnuff:It might be true, but it's a really hard pill to swallow. I think the defensive side of things has been a strength at times, but recent weeks, that's gone out the window, you know, conceding goals for fun. In their last five games, it's at least two goals every game. What do you put that down to and how hard is that going to be for him to turn around for a team that this year isn't scoring anywhere near enough when you look at some of the teams they're up against?

31:58Joe Hart:There's a sort of psychological feeling. If you know you're struggling to score, then that in itself puts pressure on you not to concede. So I do think it's snowballed now. And what I would say is that going to the Walsall training ground, you know what it's like when you go in training grounds. The last two or three years now, you can really feel that when players say we've got a great team spirit here, they really mean it. And I've spoken to hundreds of footballers over the years and you kind of get a feeling, and I'm sure you do, Aaron, when every player says we've got a great team spirit here and it's a great bunch of lads, but you can tell when they really mean it.

32:31Joe Hart:And it is true at Warsaw. They have had it, but it is coming under strain now. Just by the results there, you can see them suffering and it's very tough. The expectations have been raised by how well they did, that maybe have got ahead of their budgets. People are now looking at the owners and saying, well, you know, I know you said incremental progress, but they're also investing in other clubs. Where's the investment in us to get us up to match teams like Milne Keane's and others with bigger budgets in League Two? So there's disappointment all around now. And the focus inevitably comes on the team and Matt Satter.

33:07Aaron Paul:Mike, I want to turn your attention to this statement released by the supporters trust. It was very, very weird. And then the ownership have come out and there's been sort of like a right to reply effectively. But they've turned around and said that, hey, we think you need to potentially change the head coach because the experiment after two years has failed. They've written off the season effectively already, or they think it's salvageable if someone else comes in. Is the fan base fully split? Is there a fault line in there that we can see?

33:39Joe Hart:Yes, I think there is a difference. I think there are some that would be content to stay with Matt Sadler to the end of the season. But it's also true that there have been some that didn't want him to carry on into this season. And in a way, the easier decision in the summer would have been for the club to say, we're starting afresh, they replaced half the squad, and we're going to start with a new coach. There were a lot of disaffected Walsall fans with Matt Sadler even before the end of last season, once it started to get away from them. My hunch is that the majority want to change now, but I don't think it's 100%.

34:18Aaron Paul:Mike, thank you very much for joining us. I really appreciate the insight, the legendary Mike Taylor from BBC WM with us talking all things Walsall. And I mean, by the way, Walsall going to Shrewsbury. And what a run they're on under Gavin Cowan. And he's come in and breathed fresh air into Shrews. Who, I mean, just sort of looking at it from afar, were probably the most miserable football club to support over the past couple of seasons. And he brought his own celebrity into town last night. Joe Hart back at the Meadow as Shrewsbury's goalkeeping coach for one night only. Born in the town, started his career there.

34:58Aaron Paul:And he's been saying what it was like to put the Shrewsbury Town tracksuit back on.

35:02Graham Alexander:No, it was a lot of fun. It was really, really nice to help out. I know with the goalkeeper coach situation at the moment, obviously very close with Gav, Jamie and Dave. So I said if I could help, I would. And tonight it worked out perfect.

35:13Chris Hall:I know you still follow Shoesby Towns Fortunes very closely as a local lad. What have you made of what's been happening these last few weeks with Gavin Cowan?

35:20Graham Alexander:I'm delighted, you know, because obviously to come out of League One and then League Two, you want just a nice steady year where potentially think about rebuilding and to be struggling like they did at the start of the season. It was tough. It was tough for everyone. I've got friends that come to the games and fallen out of love a little bit. So to bring Gav in with the commitment that he's got and the qualities that he's got, put it all on the line. I'm delighted for him, absolutely delighted. He's doing a brilliant job, Jamie and Dave. It feels like a real connection there. And that's the most important thing for me as a Shoebury Town person, a connection between the players and the club and the people that they're representing.

35:56Graham Alexander:And you can really feel that at the moment.

35:58Aaron Paul:Joby, ever thought of going back to one of your former clubs as a coach, just helping out?

36:02Jobi McAnuff:you know yeah 100 % I think specifically the positional stuff I love that I'd love to go back in and maybe work with some of the the wide players stroke forwards although you don't really have traditional wingers anymore do you as it's a sort of wide forward which was never my thing let's go back to 4-4-2 get it wide get the ball in the box and McEnough can definitely deliver it on that man

36:25Aaron Paul:Smudge defensive coach?

36:27Mike Taylor:Do you know what I mean I know I'm only recently retired as but I just feel like the game's constantly moving isn't it i mean joe we should said there about you know when he was playing i dig at me seeming like a dinosaur now no no just let me finish do you know what it

36:42Aaron Paul:is i think with tommy i think he's had a taste for the the boardroom life now he enjoys being a tie he enjoys he enjoys his his pastel colors when he's going out there you know sort of getting all done up and wearing some drinks drinking a lot of coffee as well like joe hart man no way He does want to be back on the grass.

37:01Mike Taylor:Am I able to finish? Yeah, of course. Okay, so as I was saying before I got rudely interrupted, yeah, I feel like the game just moves on, and Joby's right in the sense of, you know, a few years back, it was a little bit more direct. It was get the ball wide, crosses into the box, and I don't know, I just feel like me going in now, would I, I'm calling myself a dinosaur here, Joby, would I have the same ideas as the game now? But listen, I would do it, of course, but I'll tell you what, I'd have to get my Achilles right first, wouldn't I? I mean, I'm still not over the old Achilles injury. Can you imagine me on the grass?

37:30Mike Taylor:I'd be like Bambi on ice.

37:32Aaron Paul:Mate, absolutely. Absolutely. You said it, though. You said it. I did not say that. You were thinking it.

37:36Mike Taylor:You were thinking it.

37:37Aaron Paul:Hey, potentially. Okay, let's finish with this.

37:42Chris Hall:72 plus, 72 minus on the Football Daily.

37:47Aaron Paul:Yeah, it's time for Joby's best and worst moments of the week from across the football league. Joby, where are we starting this week?

37:53Jobi McAnuff:Well, I'm going to start on my 72 minus and Stockport goalkeeper Ben Hinchliffe has had a very, very lucky escape this week. I'm going to leave the goalkeepers and I'm going to focus, unfortunately, on Sheffield Wednesday. Obviously been a tough season, off-field issues, points deductions, which has now resulted in the earliest ever relegation from the EFL. And to make matters worse, it comes against their biggest rivals, Sheffield United.

38:19Aaron Paul:Let's hear it.

38:20Chris Hall:Full time at Brummel Lane. Sheffield United victors in the Steel City derby in the brutal arena that is football. It's an outcome that confirms the relegation of Sheffield Wednesday from the Championship. The Elves, the first ever team in Football League history to be relegated in February.

38:46Aaron Paul:God, a bit harsh that one, Jobes. You two-footed them right down to League One.

38:50Jobi McAnuff:Well, I'm sorry, but...

38:53Aaron Paul:More than an asterisk next to it.

38:55Jobi McAnuff:It's just because it was Sheffield United. You mean like the misery that they've had this season, Sheffield Wednesday, and then to cap it all off, Sheffield United are the team that effectively send you down.

39:07Aaron Paul:Yeah, not good, not good. Let's have your 72-plus jokes.

39:12Jobi McAnuff:Well, on a much more positive note, that man, Jack Rudoni, what a stunning strike. His first goal since November. Been a long wait, but I'm sure it was well worth it. Picks the ball up on the halfway line, glides into the West Bromwich Albion half and then unleashes an absolute rocket from about 25 yards. Left foot, top corner. Thank you very much.

39:35Aaron Paul:It was such a good goal. The commentary cut out on BBC CWR.

39:40Chris Hall:Well, here comes Jack Radoni on a break. He's travelled a long way with the ball. Radoni! What a goal! since August he ran and ran and ran and then let fly into the top corner what a strike right everyone

39:57Aaron Paul:in 3, 2, 1 come on Rudy Rudy Rudy why are you buzzing

40:01Jobi McAnuff:well that's because

40:03Aaron Paul:he got me 13 points in my fantasy AFL team patience very much paying off

40:10Jobi McAnuff:Joby you still got Josh Sargent

40:12Aaron Paul:I'm hoping he'll make a late comeback to the end of the season he's my captain

40:16Mike Taylor:Aaron, Aaron, Aaron, you have not got Josh Sargent in your team. Not a chance.

40:22Aaron Paul:I've forgotten the password to make.

40:27Aaron Paul:Mate, mate, it's better than my fantasy Premier League team. That's completely gone out the window. I mean, I'm not even in any league. I'm non-league in there. But yeah, I'm hoping that Josh Sargent, you know, late sort of burst for Norwich, potentially for the playoffs. You never know. You never know. Maybe under Philippe Clement anyway. yeah

40:47Jobi McAnuff:has your not just been sold mate Josh Sargent big money move to the MLS now I've seen the agreed of fee yeah has it gone through yeah

40:53Aaron Paul:oh no do you know what Toronto have agreed of fee of 27 million oh yeah you need to go on your show

41:00Mike Taylor:you go on your app mate far behind these yeah you need to reset your password come on mate get a grip yeah

41:07Aaron Paul:I will do I will do at the time of recording Ronaldo in brackets 0 with the highest score of the game we've got to join the 72 EFL pod what is it Jobes

41:18Jobi McAnuff:72 EFL POD

41:20Aaron Paul:Thank you very much, where are we this weekend gentlemen?

41:23Jobi McAnuff:I am in the studio Friday doing Watford actually, my former club so looking forward to that, also we've got to give a shout out to Snoop Dogg who we haven't covered yet, I mean were they words we ever thought we would be muttering on this podcast not only in the EFL but rocking up to Swansea, I mean incredible and he really got into it, I've got to say you see somebody these sort of big sort of owners and you know celebrities and it's like are they really that involved he comes gets the place rocking i would have loved to have been down there i'm not gonna

41:55Aaron Paul:they're commemorative tea towels made yeah they have commemorative tea towels and everyone's waving them around when swoop dog comes in it's like okay this is the most random thing it is the most random thing since i think probably sylvester stallone pitched up at everton michael jackson at Fulham yeah any other random people that you've seen paraded at an EFL game maybe even a Premier League game people things animals oh 8000 289 369 get involved with us on the WhatsApp Tommy where are going this weekend

42:30Mike Taylor:I'm going to Derby Blackburn early kickoff yeah back to the day job I'm next called up for the pod back to Derby Blackburn getting

42:41Aaron Paul:shouting on Saturday, which is going to be fun. Chant and Wrexham and then Fulham on Sunday to watch the Spurs. So yeah, really looking forward to it. That is it for this episode of the Football Daily. Thank you to Joby and to Tommy. As for us on 72 +, the AFL Podcast will be back next week. Catch you then. Oh, spicy.

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Aaron Paul, Jobi McAnuff & Tommy Smith discuss the top stories from the EFL. Hear from Kim Hellberg as Middlesbrough drop points again in the Championship title race. Chris Hall from the Albion Analysis Podcast joins the pod after West Brom sacked Eric Ramsay. Catch up with Bradford boss Graham Alexander, BBC WM’s Mike Taylor drops in to talk about Walsall’s slide from top to 10th, and hear from Joe Hart after he joined the Shrewsbury coaching staff! Messages and voicenotes always welcome on WhatsApp to 08000 289 369.

00:45 Jobi has Winter Olympic fever, 03:45 Kim Hellberg as Middlesbrough drop points again! 06:50 Jobi tips Ipswich for second place, 09:25 West Brom sack Eric Ramsay, 18:35 Lincoln & Bradford impressing in League One, 25:05 Tight race for League Two promotion, 26:40 Déjà vu for Walsall? 33:15 Joe Hart in a Shrewsbury tracksuit… 36:25 Redemption for Aaron in 72PLUS 72MINUS, 40:15 Shoutout to Snoop Dogg.

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