Champions League Debrief: Bodo/Glimt claim another scalp and Newcastle reach the last 16

15:16Julien Laurens:I think Italian clubs especially, without going too much into detail, but academies right now in Italy are not producing enough. Or suddenly when they're producing good players, they're not being played in the first team. That's just not part of their culture. That's not what they do. That's the problem. the way they spend their money. Serie A was the second most spending league in Europe behind the Premier League in the last transfer window. For what? Even look at the Inter Milan squad and team today. It was just not what we're used to from Italian clubs. For example, Juventus is the same. Atalanta, again, is a little bit different.

15:50Julien Laurens:But those issues, the success stories of those clubs and what makes them a bit special this season, Italian clubs don't have it anymore.

15:57Dwight Gayle:I think there's going to be much more on that on Wednesday night as well in the Football Daily and of course on the EuroLeague's podcast.

16:03Chris Sutton:That is another thing, Kelly, as well. We're talking about Italian clubs. Which Italian club would say, right, this manager is our man and he's going to be in charge for the next 10 years? Yeah, very true. Not many.

16:16Dwight Gayle:No, but then also that's not often an indicator for success either is sticking with a manager. No, it's not. But if you get the right man...

16:25Julien Laurens:Nudsen Abodo Glimt has been there 10 years. Yeah. Look what he's built.

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19:31Kelly Cates:On the Football Daily Podcast, Champions League Debrief with Kelly Cates.

19:37Dwight Gayle:We mentioned Carabag as one of those sides who've overperformed this season. It was a step too far against Newcastle, a 6-1 win in the first leg. And Newcastle United will play either Chelsea or Barcelona in the round of 16 after a 9-3 aggregate victory over Carabag. It was four goals for Anthony Gordon in the first leg in Azerbaijan. Eddie Howe's side followed it up with a 3-2 win at St. James' Park tonight. Just to remind you, former Newcastle striker Dwight Gale is here, former, not former, current French football journalist. I've just ended your career, Jules. Julia Lerone is still with us.

20:12Dwight Gayle:John Murray and Chris Sartner at St James' Park as well. John, this was always going to be Newcastle progressing to the last 16 of the Champions League. But how did they do it this evening?

20:23Chris Sutton:Yeah, well, it clearly wasn't a cliffhanger. But I would say this will be a tie that we won't forget. And it is history for Newcastle. First time in a Champions League knockout round of 16 tie. In the opening minutes, I thought it was going to be a case of think of a number. because Tonali and Joel Linton both scored within two minutes of each other in the first six minutes of the match. And, you know, it looked like we might have another router on our hands. But Carabaig did settle and they did show some of those attacking skills that have got them this far. So Duran scored early in the second half to make it 2-1 on the night and was applauded by many of the Newcastle fans.

21:04Chris Sutton:That was quite remarkable. And even though Botman headed Newcastle's third from a corner, straight after that. They narrowed the deficit again, Karabag, when Tsefeguliev scored to make it 3-2 on the night after Ramsdale saved a Yankovic penalty onto a post. So it was an entertaining night, even though the eventual outcome was never in doubt, which we knew at the outset.

21:28Dwight Gayle:Chris, what did you make of the game?

21:32Kelly Cates:I enjoyed it. I did enjoy it. I mean, at the start, Newcastle going a couple of goals up. You're thinking, blimey, this is going to be a cricket score. is going to be embarrassing for Carabag. But in fairness to Carabag, they stuck at it and they actually played some good stuff and they caused the Newcastle back line many, many problems. The goal John described, really well-taken goal. It'll be interesting to see whether Premier League clubs are having a look at Duran, who's had a really good Champions League, I think five goals in total. But Newcastle got the job done. It was a difficult one because there's no doubt the players wouldn't have played with the same intensity because they know the job's already done.

22:14Kelly Cates:So it was just about attitude and commitment and getting over the line. Eddie went strong and, you know, another win for Newcastle on the home patch. And I think they can draw, who do they draw next? Chelsea or Barcelona? Chelsea or Barcelona.

22:31Chris Sutton:And Newcastle would be at home first. And that's from 11 o 'clock on Friday morning, by the way, UK time, that's when the draw will unfold in neon and we'll find out the line-up for the round of 16. But also there will then be a very clear path through quarter-final, semi-final, all the way to Budapest.

22:51Dwight Gayle:And Dwight, it's just a sign of the progress that Newcastle United have made. It's a sign of the progress that they've made under Eddie Howe. That they are in the Champions League knockout stages for the first time in their history.

23:04Marius Guttormsen:Yeah I mean it's been absolutely amazing just like Bodo in terms of manager I think Newcastle looked at it with the takeover and looked for someone who's they could keep for 10 years who could bring the club forward and obviously in terms of bringing the club together the players around and the fans they almost feel like won so I'm sure they'll be very happy at that decision and he's taken them to the next stage in terms of winning trophies for them and then being in the last 16 is such an amazing feat and I'm so pleased for obviously all the boys that have been there throughout all of this as well so to see them being successful is amazing and I'm sure they'll be really confident going into the next rounds I think like I said before they've got a lot of players that have come back from injury and they look really strong now So I think they'll be full of confidence going into the next round.

24:04Dwight Gayle:Who do you think they would prefer if they had the choice, Chelsea or Barcelona?

24:08Marius Guttormsen:I think knowing a lot of them, I think they'll want Barcelona, to be honest. Obviously, it's a lovely tie to think about. But then also I think that Barcelona will be less maybe equipped to the counter-attacks as well as obviously their high line. Obviously, we spoke about the players that Newcastle have got up front for them that are going to cause anyone problems, but I think especially with Barcelona's high line. So I think Eddie will be absolutely buzzing to get to grips with all of the tactical sides of it. And I'm sure he'll be coming out with a cunning plan to try and look after obviously the attacking threat that Barcelona will have as well.

24:56Marius Guttormsen:So I think that will be a tie that I'm sure the boys will be buzzing to get to grips with, really.

25:02Dwight Gayle:It's a different ask, though, Chris, isn't it, for Newcastle to go from a 9-3 aggregate win over Carabag to trying to get past Chelsea or Barcelona in the last 16?

25:14Kelly Cates:Yes, but I think that Newcastle, on their day under Eddie Howe, are capable of beating absolutely anyone. Everybody talks about the strength of the Premier League and look, could Newcastle have performed better this season? Yeah, I think Eddie Howe is aware of that. But on any given day, when it does click, then, you know, Newcastle are a massive threat. I think Barcelona beat them. Did they beat them here, John? First, I think first? 2-1. 2-1, yeah. Maybe there'll be a bit of revenge in that. But, you know, the important thing was Newcastle getting here and, you know, in the playoffs against Caravag, everybody fancied Newcastle over two legs, but they still have to go and be professional and get the job done, they've got the job done.

25:56Kelly Cates:And if you're a Newcastle fan, I mean, exciting times to see your club in the last 16 and hoping that they can progress again. And there's no reason why not.

26:05Julien Laurens:I was just going to say on that Barcelona game, the first game of the league phase for Newcastle, they had more shots on target, higher expected goals than Barcelona. And yeah, they lost 2-1, Rashford scored a brace on that night. But it was a really good performance from Newcastle in that very tactical sense of not having much of the ball. I think 35 % of the ball, but hitting them on a counter over the top every time. It will make a very interesting two legs, for sure.

26:31Dwight Gayle:John Murray, Chris Sutton, thank you very much. Been a pleasure listening to you from St James' Park. Thank you. Thank you, Kelly. So, Newcastle are through. Let's hear from Eddie Howe.

26:40Kelly Cates:A massive achievement from us to get to the last 16. I think nothing was given to us at the start of this Champions League run that we've been on. I think I love the new format. I think it's a really, really good thing. I think you get to see individual teams and you then get to move on to another one. We've really enjoyed it. And then coming to sort of the pressure games, the double header, I think we've navigated that really well because it's a tough, I don't care who you play at this stage, it's a tough draw. And we did the majority of the work in the away game. We've come through really well.

27:14Kelly Cates:And today we were able to rotate our squad to a degree and with mixed success, I think. I don't think it was a great performance, but really pleased that we won. Whoever we get in the next round will be an amazing tie for us. I believe that we can raise our game and compete with anybody. That's what we're going to have to do, whoever we get. But I just think it's a massive thing for us to give our season an extra boost to get through this knockout phase and then into the next one.

27:40Dwight Gayle:So we know that Newcastle are going to play either Barcelona or Chelsea. Bordeaux Gleimt will play either Manchester City or Sporting. Atletico Madrid will play either Liverpool or Tottenham. Bayer Leverkusen will play either Arsenal or Bayern Munich. And the draw for the last 16, as John Murray was just saying, takes place on Friday morning. And Julien Neron, before we even get to there, a huge night for Paris Saint-Germain, the defending champions tomorrow night.

28:09Julien Laurens:Yeah, that's right, Kev. The Paris-Prinche against Monaco, they won 3-2 in the first leg. There won't be Ousmane Dembele, who is still not fully fit after the injury that he picked up just before the first leg and had to come off after just 10 or 15 minutes in that first leg. So it'd be very, very interesting. But you think with that one good advantage, really going into this game at home, they should be able to see it and qualify and then potentially face, well, not potentially, but face the other of Chelsea and Barcelona because they're in the same side of the draw with Newcastle.

28:41Dwight Gayle:Jules, is this sort of, not a slow progression, but a building progression through the season. Is that something that they do deliberately?

28:51Julien Laurens:I'm not sure if it's deliberate. I think there's different reasons and explanations probably why it happened when it did last season. That really the turning point was that game against City in January and towards the end of the league phase of the Champions League. And after that, they never looked back and they went from strength to strength and they were obviously outstanding in that second half.

29:10Dwight Gayle:And that's because they had that kind of change of players, that kind of whole sort of refresh of the squad. Because the reason I asked the question is because they've done it again this season.

29:21Julien Laurens:Yeah, although it's still a little bit up and down at times. But you're right. It feels like when those games mattered the most, they kind of changed again and transformed into that extra gear that they had in that second half of last season as well. So let's see if they can do it again. I would love, as you know, for them to go back to back and win it again. There's a reason why it's very difficult and not many teams have done it in the last 50 years or so. Just AC Milan and Real Madrid, really. So there's a reason for that. And I think English clubs are so strong this season that it'd be very difficult for anyone else to win the Champions League.

29:54Julien Laurens:But I think that PSG team know how to go all that way and can probably do it again. But they will need to start really performing consistently now at their best level like they did in the second half of last season.

30:06Dwight Gayle:Yeah, it could be a big night for the defending champions. they do have that one goal advantage. They're 3-2 up against Monaco from the first leg. And as we've already said on Wednesday night, potentially we could have no Italian clubs left in the Champions League in the round of 16. Atalanta, a 2-0 down against Borussia Dortmund. Juventus, 5-2 down to Galatasaray. And then another 8 o 'clock kickoff, which is Real Madrid, who hold that 1-0 advantage against Benfica. But obviously the scoreline, not the story around that game. And there'll be lots more background to that, lots more fallout to that on Wednesday night on Five Live Sports.

30:47Dwight Gayle:Shirley and Laurent, lovely to talk to you. Thank you very much for your company this evening. Dwight, you're going to stay with us because we've got a huge title race coming up to talk about in the championship with Middlesbrough and Coventry. sort of playing it out and it's switching. It looked like Coventry may be kind of plummeting towards the end of the season, but they've picked up again. Yeah, I mean, I feel like in the championship title race,

31:15Marius Guttormsen:I think no matter who it is, I always think that you find a little blip in the season. Obviously, we had the same thing when we won it. And I think it's how you sort of react to it. and commentary I've obviously picked up a few results recently after their little bit of a blip as well as obviously Ipswich chasing them and Middlesbrough today obviously dropping points so it's always going to be a difficult one and it always comes down to sort of the last 10 games and it's how you sort of react to moments when you're not so strong and obviously Lampard with so much experience has probably been through that with his career.

32:00Marius Guttormsen:So he'll be no better to be obviously the person in the dressing room when they need some experience. And I hope they do do it because obviously it's nice to see another club doing well sort of thing. And yeah, no, I hope they do do it, to be honest.

32:16Dwight Gayle:And Middlesbrough are going to have to react to a difficult situation because as we were saying, they've missed the chance to go level on points with Coventry. Aaron Paul's been at Watford this evening and hosts our 72 plus podcast. And first of all, though, Middlesbrough missing out on the chance to go top was a big story. But the glamour, and I, you know, obviously was at Watford where you were, but also was it Swansea for the game against Preston? Snoop Dogg was in the house.

32:47Kelly Cates:I promise you, Kelly, since he came in, one of my pals works inside Swansea City and I've been asking her, when's he coming down? He was supposed to be there for the Wrexham game. And he turns up on a Tuesday night and he packs out the Liberty, the Swansea.com stadium. When was the last time that ground was absolutely rammed to the rafters? And you've seen the videos on there. He's a showman. He's out there singing the Swansea songs. He's giving it the big end. And we absolutely love to see it. But as you said earlier on in the program, it's what you see now. You've got a lot of people from the world of music, from sport, especially in America, who see the opportunity with the EFL football clubs.

33:26Kelly Cates:And it's kind of like the Reynolds-McElhinney effect, isn't it? Everyone's looking at it and going, yeah, they've had a bit of that. We're going to have some as well. And Snoop Dogg, although his investment isn't major, alongside Luka Modric as well, I believe, has gone in there and he's wowed the crowds. Yeah, and Martha Stewart. I will never forget Martha Stewart. You always never forget Martha Stewart, Kelly. And obviously, I'll always follow your lead.

33:49Dwight Gayle:Snoop's the most unlikely of friends with Martha Stewart. Aaron, though, thank you very much for joining us. Thank you very much to Dwight Gale as well for being part of this. Thank you so much for listening. There'll be more from Aaron Paul in 72 Plus on your next episode of the Football Daily.

34:29Dwight Gayle:We'll be right back.

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