Michael Carrick - The Football Interview

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0:40The Football Interview on the Football Daily Podcast. Hello, I'm Mark Chapman. You're listening to a special episode of the Football Interview for the Football Daily. This week, I'll be speaking to the Manchester United manager, Michael Carrick. So the last time I saw you was after match the day. were those experiences so bad that you felt you just had to jump a job that came your way? I have to say I really enjoyed it, you know, seeing it from a different perspective, different angle watching football in a different way, I enjoyed it. But this one was too good to turn down, unfortunately. Quite a lot of people come out of football, do some analysis and then go back into football.

1:21Does it help? I just think it's quite nice to watch football sometimes with a free eye, you know, and for so long that I've been used to doing it for a real reason or a purpose or from a team's point of view, it was quite nice for that period of time just to watch it with a bit of freedom really and obviously keep your eye in a little bit and keep your brain ticking, you know. But I enjoyed it and it definitely kind of makes you think a little bit about the game when you're trying to analyse it from a different perspective. You can look at it all sorts of ways, you know. I think the main thing is trying to go, right, what are we good at?

2:04What are our strengths? How can we ultimately use our strengths? Whoever we're playing against, how can we utilise that against the opposition in certain areas? Sometimes it can be simpler than us. Sometimes it can be quite complex what goes into the game. Ultimately, in the end, you want to be trying to give the clear message to the players. clarity for the players is the most important thing so that filtering process is important. Take us back to the process of getting here to get this and the first phone call that you got and what went through your head

2:45Well I was actually in the car to be honest with you, I was driving On your own? Or was it one of those where somebody rings you and you have to, I've got the kids in the car Please don't swear. That's normally why I start five pills with. No, I was in the car driving on my own, flying off going on the way off to Newcastle at the time. And the message come through, so... I... To be honest, yeah, it was a nice thing to hear. Of course it was, you know. But I was quite calm about it, actually, you know. Were you? Yeah, I was, yeah. I don't know why. I just... Yeah, it just felt right is the best way I can describe it.

3:27It didn't feel anything that was outlandish or any way of surprising in some ways. And that's not me being arrogant or blase in any way. Yeah. But it just felt quite normal and obviously, you know, get a good feeling from it and excited. I've been here for so long and experienced so much that probably at some point I was always hoping in the back of my mind that the opportunity would come along. and thankfully it has. You smiled, surely? I mean, surely you smiled. Who did you ring after you put the phone down on that call? No, listen, I was delighted, obviously, you know. To be at this club is special, so I'm not playing it down, but I just mean the hope it wasn't the case of I come off the phone and shout and scream and celebrate it on the motorway or anything.

4:16Yeah, I just called my wife and said, you know, this is what's happening, this is where we're at. took it from there really. So it was all pretty smooth and all pretty calm and as I said it felt bizarrely normal. So when you agree to do it and you know the length of time that you're doing it for, what do you start preparing for? Your backroom staff, had those calls already gone in? Yeah obviously through the kind of process of the days I think it's of assessing what needs to be done, what needs to be put in place, what staff, what that balance looks like and obviously it's quite condensed into a short space of time so putting the staff together was something that we had to get right and wanted to get right.

5:02So I was really happy with that, I thought that I would come together absolutely delighted with the staff and then the staff that were already here, I kind of knew quite a lot of them anyway and it was a mixture of knowing what to expect and a little bit of freshness coming in the building again so that was nice and yeah of course it's part of getting the best out of the players isn't it so like you say the first conversations and that first impression goes a long way if I've been on the other side and someone new comes in the room and my message to be honest was I'm here to support you I'm here to help you and we're here to push you so ultimately we want to get good results here but there's ways of doing it and hopefully they've felt that support so far Did you think they'd been underachieving as a group?

5:48It's not really to say whether they achieved or underachieved for me. I think it's what, for me, walking in the door was what was in front of us. And I knew it was a really talented group, capable and a lot of potential within the group. So it was just about what can we do to try and help and improve things and have three days before we played Man City. so it was quite a really compressed, condensed game prep week with a lot of things going into it in a short space of time. Did it help that it was Manchester City and Arsenal as the first two? You could say it helped now. Well, hindsight's a wonderful thing, isn't it?

6:27Yeah, I think the fact there were two massive games. City was a huge game playing at home and the atmosphere, I have to say, was pretty special on the day. even building up to the game, you could feel it in and around the stadium before kick-off. Through the game it kind of flowed and you could feel that. So there's definitely an element of that. Listen, it could have gone the other way. You're playing two fantastic football teams in the first two games and totally respecting the games coming up after that from my point of view of what was next. And everyone talked about the first two games, but it was a bit on fire really on the likes of Fulham and Tottenham.

7:09But I suppose, because you talked about the crowd, what helps you there? And this is the case for any big club, in inverted commas, the synergy of the fans and the players for a game like that. United fans weren't arriving at home to City or in the away end at Arsenal going, well, come on then, entertain us and beat a different team 3-0. they realised that you'd need them. Yeah, that's probably the most pleasing thing since I came, is that the feeling that is around here, the training ground, the players, the group outside, and kind of people coming up and approaching us and saying how much they're enjoying it and they're excited by what the team can do, and then the feeling inside the stadium, you know, and seeing the supporters and the reaction and the level of support that we've had, it's impossible to describe how much that helps, but to feel that between everyone, it's a real special feeling for me to be in the position to be able to share that with so many people.

8:19That's probably the most satisfying thing so far, is getting that connection and feeling that emotion from everyone in such a positive way. Do you encourage people to get carried away? Depends who it is. If you're a supporter... If you're a man or woman in the street who comes up to talk to you, get carried away. Yeah, that's why you support the football club, you know, that's why you love the game, because the emotion of it, the highs and the lows and what could happen and the unpredictability and the excitement. So that's what they are there for, you know, and they need to get carried away. different if you're in it and you're a player and you're a coach or you're in and around there's a real business feel to it in many ways we certainly don't get carried away we've had it every game so far as we've moved on it's been a really good start and we've done a lot of good things but we can't get carried away we've got to perform we've got to have a real impact directly on the game so to do that we've got to be in a good headspace you know and not enjoy it too much.

9:28With the three members of staff that you brought in, in Steve Holland and Jonathan Woodgate and Johnny Evans, how do you work as a four? Because there was a lot of attention on the people you brought in. Yeah well there's Travis as well, Travis winning who was here and he's been here for a number of years now through the academy in 18s and 21s so and Craig who's Craig Mawson the goalkeeping coach has been here as well so So there's a really strong group and it feels like we've been together a long time, but we didn't all know each other. I didn't really know Steve personally an awful lot before.

10:03I thought it would come together nicely and there was balance and there's a reason why I wanted to bring Steve in. Jonathan had him at Middlesbrough, loyal. Gets me, knows me, pushes me, challenges me. Really good relationship, I think it's important. and Johnny knew the club, been here for so long and has a really good relationship with the players as well and loves coaching, loves helping and cares a lot. So there was that. And then Travis, I think the club needs the academy, is a massive part of this football club. That's 259 players now who have made their debuts, just presented... Tyler Fletcher was the last one.

10:46The academy is a massive part of the club. I think there's a really good balance. with the responsibilities of the academy young players and then the balance with Jonathan and Johnny being two of the best centre-backs you can come across in the last 20, 25 years, to pass their information on. Steve with his experience in so many ways, Chelsea with changes of managers and different styles of managers and top, top players, England, you know, and all the staff are able to cope being around the environment and I think that's so important. And they challenge you? Yeah, for sure. Not every manager would accept that.

11:28I can't be right the whole time. It's impossible. That's why we've got a group of six in our office. We've all got opinions and strong opinions, but I think we all filter it. It's important that we have a connection and understanding of what direction we want to go in. We have to push each other, for sure. So what does an academy mean to you, and young players at a football club mean to you? Yeah, an awful lot. Listen, I've always kept that feeling of what it was like as a young player and Harry Redknapp at West Ham and all the staff at West Ham had given me the opportunity and support that I needed.

12:04It was up to me to then take it, whether I was good enough or not. Something I've always had an eye on and been quite passionate about, to be honest. So, you know, with the tradition of this football club, it's natural to take that on and it's just a proud moment as any to give a young player the debut and Tyler was the last one there on the weekend and I know what that means I know that feeling and that heartbeat and that mind racing at that moment What did you say to him? Because you whispered to him before he came on What did you say? Yeah, I just said to him go on and run around and get as many touches of the ball as you can and go and enjoy it There was a few minutes to go and I think it's important he went on there made the most of it you know and it wasn't anything tactical it wasn't anything um outrageously difficult in terms of football wise it was the moment that he had he earned it and hopefully there'll be many more as well as the other young players so but the understanding of that moment and what what's going through he didn't need me to say much more than that and he went on and done great would you it's a bit general i suppose but does your does your mentality does your emotions do your beliefs mean you would always slightly favour giving an 18, 19-year-old a chance over, I don't know, a 30-year-old that's been brought in?

13:24As I say, it's a bit of a general question. Yeah, I think it's difficult to see, I think. But there's definitely always an eye on trying to help the younger players and give them a chance and watching them and keeping an eye on them and to know who's doing well, who's doing what, and the layers as you go down the age groups at the club. but there's certainly a want from not just me, but all the staff and everyone at the club to try and produce the young players and give them opportunities as much as we can. And is the... A United Academy player has always been in the starting... Has always been in the first-team matchday squad since 1930-something, isn't it?

14:05Is that a sense of pride? How much can it become a slight millstone if you would be the one that breaks that wrong. Huge sense of pride on behalf of the whole football club, I think, to have that. It's really outstanding to have for such a long period of time to have that, and it's something we need to hold on to. It's what this football club is built upon, really, and has been for so many decades. So, yeah, I'm sure I'm definitely well aware of it, and we want to carry it on. When you watch the academy, and you're watching the underage teams as well, where you go, is the pipeline that, again, I'm not putting pressure on them but is the academy in good health?

14:46Yeah, I think it's in great hands, I think it has been, I think historically here it's kept producing players year after year and we always hope for the next group or the next individual and there's so much good work that goes into the academy, there's so many coaches, there's so many members of staff we get carried away sometimes about the football in results in where we're at now It's wins and draws and losses that count in some ways, but it's about developing young people and behaviours and helping them. There are so many players from this club that have maybe not even made their debut here, but have moved on and had unbelievable careers in the game.

15:23And I think that's something, again, that as a football club we're really proud of.

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17:22So I've kind of only little bits. And then obviously when I was here the first time, he was in and around little bits of working with him. So I think knowing him and having an experience with him and seeing him, you know, to perform at such a level and such big occasions to be able to cope with the, I said earlier about coaches being able to cope with being here and at the level, you know, to deal with what Cobby's done at such a young age is quite incredible really. and we forget how young he still is. So I was just a big fan of watching him play and knowing what he was capable of. So it wasn't really a big decision to play him.

18:11And to be fair, it's not easy when you haven't played to find your rhythm and find your form. He's come in and he's did fantastic. So I've not really had to help him an awful lot. I've just given him that freedom to go and play. So given midfield was your area, what is he? in an era of six, eight, tens, this, that, the other? I don't think it matters. Genuinely, I don't think it matters. I think he can do a bit of it. I think he's shown he can do a bit of everything. I think he's playing in a two now and has been with Casemiro a lot. I think complement each other, helps them both. He takes the ball everywhere.

18:48Cobb, he's unfazed by anything. There's things he can get better at, things he can improve on, but we haven't really got started in any of that because you're just letting him go and find his flow and find his rhythm of playing football again. So I've been really conscious of not really giving him an awful lot. A couple of little pointers, a bit of positional things and little bits here and there, but trust in what he is. He's a fantastic footballer and he's got a huge talent. You're taking a full range here of this football club. It's not, I'm just going to look after the first team and do it and then see what happens.

19:18Do you think that's important? Do you think it's unusual? It's just how I see it. It's just how I see it, to be honest. I think it's vital that in the position I am that I genuinely care. And as I said, probably being here for so long, I know what the club, what really matters to the football club and to the people in and around it. So it's just what I believe should be done, really. I'm not comparing it to anyone. I'm not saying I'm better or worse than anyone. It's just I just think it's what exactly should be done in my position. Go back to when you left Middlesbrough. and after you left Middlesbrough, how you felt?

19:57I felt quite proud of the work we did, actually. Disappointed that it ended. But, again, I think going back to talking about behaviours and ways to do it, I think I was proud of how we handled it, really. I was in terms of helping players, development players. A lot of players moved on to kind of better their careers in different ways which I was really proud of. Morgan Rogers being a prime example. Yeah, Morgan was one. There's quite a few over the two and a half years that we feel that we helped in different ways. So, again, results is what you're judged on and I get it and I understand that, but there's a lot more as a coach than as a manager that you try and, or I certainly try to impact as well.

20:45So, yeah, there's disappointment that it came to an end, but at the same time, proud of what we had done and delighted to see them doing so well at the moment. Why do you think it did come to an end? Yeah, it said it comes to an end. I think two and a half years was quite a long stint in some ways for what the average is in and around the league. So it happens, you know. Unfortunately, we tried to get promoted, we didn't do it. But at the moment, they look like they've got a really good chance. So hopefully they can pull it off. Do you think, let's say another big area of debate at the moment, I think, about whether you can manage and coach the same way wherever you are, whatever football club you're at, wherever you are in the pyramid.

21:29Do you think you can or do you think you have to adapt? There's certainly adapt. I think you've got to adapt to people as well, you know. I think there's, I say the game a certain way, just naturally. Who are the managers that you played for that you look to incorporate now in what you're doing? I think part of experience is just sometimes you do things without totally knowing why you've acted in a way or what's made you make that decision or treat someone like that and there's a few times maybe I've done something and then it's not till after and I remember something that's happened years ago with different managers or coaches and you think oh that actually happened So it kind of sometimes, experience is a beautiful thing to kind of draw upon in different ways, you know, in life and anywhere, you know.

22:23Listen, Sir Alex had the biggest impact on me. I think that's pretty obvious to say because everything we kind of achieved here. But I think just learning and knowing that I've never got all the answers and keep searching for more experience. And that's why the staff are there to help in that regard. It sounds in many ways you rely on the human being side of things rather than a flip chart and a, you know. Yeah, that's me. I like being around people. I like sharing things. I'm not one that would be an individual as such and don't promote the fact I've got all the answers and I'm quite happy to discuss that I think getting the best out of people whatever that is whether that's in the industry of TV whether that's in the industry of sport or business I think treating people in a way and respect but pushing like I said for me support and helping but pushing is and the feeling the connection I think that whatever it is the tactical side technical side will help when we can get better at all that but if you if you haven't got that connection and that buying and that willingness to want to come with you and follow you then all the other bits you know kind of lose the value and don't get to fill all that potential so I see it is a massive thing to get that connection with people.

23:51There's a time for all sorts of emotions and that's the beauty of being in the position, you've got to pick the right time and tap on the right kind of buttons to get the right reaction you know that's and if that's the case that's the case but I don't necessarily think it's just because something's gone wrong that it has to be that sometimes something's gone wrong but they might need a bit of help or someone might need a bit of support sometimes it's for a reason and yeah you get angry about things that's alright that's fine players can get angry about things and we want them to be fired up in a way so they've got to use emotion so I've got no problem with any of that.

24:31When you witnessed the hairdryer, were you like, crikey? Yeah, I'm not sure I could replicate that. And I wouldn't try to, but yeah, a couple of times I've seen it and it puts you in the back of your seat, trying to get further away from it. But again, you're talking about Sir Alex, and he was the genius at using people and getting the best out of people in so many different ways, support, pushing, a bit stronger than pushing at times but it worked you know but it was all about getting the best out of his players. Do you have to accept that a lot of the players from that era are now pundits? In the same way that when you were playing a lot of the successful Liverpool team were pundits, do you have to accept it and just shut it out and is that easier for you than it is for your younger players?

25:20Yeah it doesn't bother me one bit. I didn't think it would. really it doesn't um everyone's got things they want to do or they enjoy doing there's different ways different in the industry to to play a part in the industry so i've got i've got no problem with that um i can't really fall out with anyone over that i think it's a respect thing as much as anything really and i'll give and take that um i think for younger players i think in general it's something we need to help them and look after them you know it's a different It's a different world now to when, say, I was coming through. So in terms of the exposure, the constant just social media of being, it's just there all the time.

26:01So there's certainly things we need to help them with and look after them and educate them. But on the other side of things, that's all they know. And they're used to it in certain ways, you know. If I were to ask you if you wanted it, beyond, I know you'll have a stock answer, but I also think you're probably very much just what will be will be, are you? Yeah, it's not a stock answer, you know. Listen, for me, it's the ultimate role, you know. I'm really enjoying it. I love it. I love what I'm doing. I'm fortunate. I feel privileged to be in the position I am, but it's not the fact that I believe I can do it, you know, and I'm here for it to do.

26:41I said it when I came in, there's the sentimental side of that, of understanding the role and coming through the club and being here and loving the club and being a supporter and all that side of it is one thing, but actually I'm here to do a job now and to make a good team and be successful. So I don't decide how long that's going to be, but I love being here. And while I'm here, I'll give everything I can. And I always plan for the long-term future for the benefit of the football club. That's how I believe it should be. And you're very happy, aren't you? Yeah. Have I smiled enough for you? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

27:16I'm loving what I'm doing. Again, really good people and staff are fantastic. The players have been unbelievable. It's a really good place to come in every single day, to drive in and look forward to being here. And then obviously running around the city and globally, the reaction and the support that you get is just... It's very hard to describe. It's incredible. So, yeah, I'm delighted to be here. But if people keep asking you that, then you might shout at them. Possibly. Thank you. Thanks a lot. Five Live Sports. The Six Nations. Rugby's greatest championship. What a day of the Six Nations it's been.

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