TCV: On the buses & Enzo lacking respect?

12:10Ali Bruce-Ball:Clash of the commentators to come as well as the Great Glossary and our unintended pub name of the week. but this is how the weekend's football coverage looks on Five Live. So Friday night tonight, we've got updates of Ipswich Liverpool. They will go into Premier League kickoff with Darren Fletcher and his guest. Likewise, updates of Newcastle Bournemouth, which is the 12.30 kickoff in the Premier League on Saturday. So updates of that into Five Live Sport with the aforementioned Hare Chapman. Then into the commentary. So Ian, you've already been to the city ground for a three o 'clock this season.

12:45Ali Bruce-Ball:But you're back there with Leon Osman for Nottingham Forest against Tottenham Hotspur. Tottenham have lost both games, chaps. Spent a lot of money in the window. Are you at all concerned they're going to have a season again similar to the last couple? Or do you think they're going to be all right? My feeling is I think De Zerbi will get that sorted. And they've got a good enough squad. And I think they're going to be fine.

13:07John Murray:Yeah, I do. The one thing that I'm mystified by is when people are saying, oh it's what's happening from the last two years and I'm thinking well why is that the case because they've brought in enough new players so it's not like there is a a malaise that is set in from existing players I think that was the case in previous years they brought in enough new players there should be enough impetus from those players to say come on we're not having this surely I can't I'm a little bit baffled by De Zerbi's claim about, oh, we're not up to speed. Well, you've had enough time to get them up to speed with the majority of the players.

13:47John Murray:And then I don't buy that excuse that they're going to need time because the players should come in and change the whole mentality and the mindset around that dressing room, surely.

13:56Ali Bruce-Ball:But do you not think the Malays possibly, and actually having watched the highlights of that game against Newcastle, they have plenty of chances to get in front, play quite well. Then the goal goes in against them. then another one sinking feeling fans pouring out sort of then obviously the media you know and we're part of it sort of tells the story of well this is how they finished the last two seasons and it's you know it started like this all over again but whether there's a general malaise there but not but not within the I mean that's the job Roberto Di Zerbi and the players have got to do isn't it dig them out of of that feeling well that would worry me if that was the case because

14:30John Murray:the mindset should be stronger from the new players who've arrived and there should be a it It should be like a clean sweep. And then that weak mentality should have been dispatched when the new players come in. And if those new players haven't been able to change and transform that dressing room, and I'm looking at, say, Granit Xhaka at Sunderland. When Granit Xhaka first arrived on Wearside, he came in and said, right, these are the standards. And he helped change the mentality. And I think Granit Xhaka was such an influence at Sunderland in their first season in the Premier League. I'm looking at now that the Tottenham players, Who is one of those players who's going to come in and go, right, this is the way we're going to do things now.

15:09John Murray:And if they haven't got one of those players, then that would be a concern.

15:12Ian Dennis:I mean, he did have the last seven matches, wasn't it, of last season. And he did oversee a bit of an upturn there. But I know having commentated on their first match this season, when they were absolutely taken apart, really, by Brentford on that first Saturday night. And he, after that match, was talking about, you know, physically, how the players were struggling physically. And I immediately thought back to, I was talking to some of the Tottenham people before that match. And, okay, yeah, there've been lots and lots of changes there, you know, ins and outs during the course of the summer. But the Tottenham people were telling me about their pre-season trip where they went on a 10-day trip to Australia and New Zealand.

15:50Ian Dennis:And, you know, as soon as I hear about that, I think, well, I know why they've done that. Obviously, there's the financial aspect of it. It's good for the finances of the club. There'll be deals, et cetera, et cetera. but is that the right way to prepare for the start of the season, a 10-day trip to Australia and New Zealand? So what I'm saying is there are a lot of things settling down still and surely we will see better from Tottenham. I mean, it is almost that it can only go one way but I think that's a very good game, isn't it, Ian, that you and Leon have got the Forest Spurs match. There's a lot in that, isn't there?

16:28John Murray:There is, yeah. They're the third highest spenders. £302 million they've spent behind Manchester City and Chelsea. And a defeat and no goals would be their worst start in 52 years because 74-75, looking at my notes after I did this, they failed to win or score in the first three games under Bill Nicholson. In fact, they actually lost their first four that particular season, as they did in 19, 12 and 13. but defeat with a goal would be their worst start in 47 years. And they come out against the Nottingham Forest side that Oliver Glasner has got his two players that he wanted. When I did them ahead of Leeds United, he said, I want two quality players.

17:11John Murray:He's got Liam De Lappe and he's got Daniel Munoz, who obviously did very, very well for him at Crystal Palace. But yeah, I just think for both sides, we're still yet to win and five clubs are yet to get off the mark with a victory so far in the Premier League. there will be a lot of pressure on those teams because you need to get the three points on the board ASAP.

17:33Ian Dennis:And De Lapp, we've spoken in recent editions about most interesting signings of the summer. He very much is one, isn't he, to see how he'll do that. Yeah, Igor Jesus, obviously the starting number nine at the moment.

17:48Ali Bruce-Ball:But yeah, Liam De Lapp in the door at the city ground. So five live Saturday, three o 'clock. Ian and Leon with Nottingham Forest against Spurs. Enzo Fernandes says he's joined a big club in Manchester City. That's our... He's a stirrer, isn't he? Manchester City, Coventry City.

18:04John Murray:He's disrespectful to Chelsea. That's what he is. Yeah. Isn't he? They've brought him over. They've enhanced his career. Because you wouldn't have paid that... On the evidence of what you witnessed at the last World Cup in 2018, you wouldn't have paid that money for him. And then they've enhanced his career. He's had success with Chelsea. And then he's been disrespectful. I thought he showed his true colours.

18:26Ali Bruce-Ball:Well, I mean, it's also, it's very deliberate, isn't it? That's not a whoops slip of the tongue, isn't it? That is very deliberate. That is how he plays. That's his personality. He should show grace.

18:38Ian Dennis:He lacks grace. Nevertheless, he becomes the first man to be transferred for more than£100 million twice. So he won't be taking any hurt.

18:47Ali Bruce-Ball:No. So when he makes his Manchester City debut, it will be interesting to see the reaction to that. Manchester City against Coventry City and three o 'clock Saturday on Sports Extra. I'm then at Hull City Villa for the Saturday 5.30 commentary. Do you mean high-flying Hull City? I do. Two wins out of two. And Aston Villa, it's remarkable, isn't it? Aston Villa having won a European trophy and then lost the spine of their team and they're a Hull sitting right up near the top of the table with two wins out of two. So that's a really interesting game. I've got Stephen Warnock alongside me for that.

19:23Ali Bruce-Ball:Then I'm going to move into the presenter's chair on Sunday. And Five Lives Premier League Sunday, this is where John gets involved. So 2 o 'clock, Everton-Manchester United after United's big win against Ipswich last Sunday. That's Vicky Sparks and Pat Nevin. And then, John, the first really sort of big heavyweight clash of the season in the Premier League, Arsenal against Chelsea from the Emirates. And Arsenal, we know, have started really, really well. But Chelsea have also started well. and whether they'll be a threat to Arsenal long-term, but they could certainly do them damage in a one-off game, couldn't they?

19:56Ian Dennis:Yeah, just the start in terms of results. I mean, winning starts for both teams, which sets it up brilliantly. And just the start that Chelsea will have wanted, as has been widely discussed with no European football this season, to really get off to a strong start under Xabi Alonso and put themselves in a position whereby they will be the team that has plenty of time to prepare for all of their Premier League matches alongside their domestic cup commitments. And, yep, I think you're right, Ali, to set it up in that way. And I'm very much looking forward to working alongside Matt Upson for the first time since before the World Cup as well.

20:38John Murray:Everton, Manchester United, with the frustration, the supporters being disillusioned at Everton, I nearly said Goodison there, but with their transfer activity I think that atmosphere could be one to gauge certainly

20:57Ali Bruce-Ball:and one to monitor David Moyes has made that quite clear listening to him in his post-match after Everton's game the weekend I think that's a really good five live Premier League Sunday what about Ian John the business that Arsenal have done this summer because since the closing of the transfer window and there's been gazillions of pounds spent in the Premier League, some seem to feel that Arsenal may still be a little bit short up front.

21:27Ian Dennis:Well, I suppose when you think Gabriel Jesus is gone and Gabriel Martinelli and Trossard, you know, they were quite, well, certainly Trossard and Martinelli were quite strong contributors, weren't they? And so there's been a little bit of change. And I think the expectation was, wasn't it, that there might be another striker. And obviously Julian Alvarez, who's ended up staying at Atletico Madrid. You know, had he come in, and I know they've really strengthened the midfield, but had he come in and been in a position whereby, you know, suddenly they've got that caliber of player as well. And I think it's interesting with Arsenal.

22:12Ian Dennis:Jokeres has really not particularly figured yet this season. Havertz has been the man. However, on the field, they've looked good, haven't they? I've lost count of the number of times I've heard people say, well, Arsenal are the team to beat.

22:26Ali Bruce-Ball:Champions League back next week as well. That's your weekend action on Five Live and BBC Sounds across the BBC network. Champions League back next week. For you, Ian, first up, match day one. that means a trip to one of our favourite cities I feel, all of us Porto against Manchester City in the Dragao I go cold at the thought of Porto

22:50John Murray:I'm not too sure, did we ever play the audio over the bridge? No, that was Lisbon in 2004 and I didn't drive over that bridge once, the Vasco da Gama bridge I drove over it twice the wrong way that was in the days before we had a sat-nav, is my excuse but no Porto was 2019 in the Champions and not Champions League the Nations League and I was coming back from Gimaraish and I had Chris Sutton and Chris Waddle in the car and Steve Bridges the engineer and the little sat-nav device had said let you down take this take this little rat run cut through this little road and as I drove down I thought this road's narrowing and then I got stuck in the road and then we actually couldn't get out for what felt like about half an hour I'm not driving in Porto

23:42Ali Bruce-Ball:I think we've played that audio out on this podcast and it's still saved in my library because it's only about 12-13 seconds of audio but it's the unhelpfulness it's the unhelpfulness of Sutton and Waddle

23:59John Murray:Well, in typical Chris Sutton fashion, he started filming. You can't go.

24:11Ian Dennis:E-mails, God. You've got loads on your side. You've got tons of room on your side, man on mine. I think tons of room on your side at all.

24:25Ian Dennis:so so those so those are our big two champions league commentaries this week uh ali you will

24:31Ali Bruce-Ball:yeah be at anfield yeah no really looking forward to that so atletico madrid are coming to anfield on the wednesday night so i've got paul robinson alongside me for that one and liverpool obviously you know finding their way having made the signings they've made and under andoni or aola and And there is time in the Champions League format to, you know, I think particularly for the English clubs and their strength of squads to, you know, if you do get off to a slow start, you can still rescue it. But that's an interesting early test. I think that'll be a good game and that'll be a really good atmosphere on the Wednesday night.

25:05Ali Bruce-Ball:So, yeah, 5.45 Tuesday, we've got updates of Villa at Bruges. Ian and Pat at Porto Manchester City on the Tuesday night. I'm at Anfield on a Wednesday night, and we'll also have updates of Arsenal at Napoli, and Thursday, updates of Manchester United against Sabah of Azerbaijan. That is how Manchester United returned to the Champions League. Now, we were talking last week about that Champions League draw. John, not a big fan, suggested it should possibly just be scrapped. Mal gets in touch with TCV and says, Hi, fellas. I enjoyed your most recent podcast. First time I listened, but don't tell anyone.

25:44Ali Bruce-Ball:My view is it's not the draw, the actual draw that's the problem, but it's everything else around it. The soprano singing, the interminable interviews, and the meaningless trophy presentations. They went on for half an hour. That's always been the case, though, Mel.

25:59John Murray:I mean, many a time when I actually used to go to Neon for the draws, this one was actually in the Grimaldi Forum in Monaco, and I've been there too. And that's always been the case. I mean, it's like sometimes you lose the will to live.

26:11Ian Dennis:But they want to present all those awards for the previous Champions League season, don't they? Which is what they do. And in actual fact, because the draw is what it is now, and it is just a list of fixtures, and it's very difficult to get your head around it, they probably do feel that they need a bit of razzmatazz, as they would see it.

26:30Ali Bruce-Ball:Great question here from Ollie in Bishop Storford. I like this one because this is very open-ended. We could go anywhere with this. Says, Hiya TCV. I love the pod. I've listened to every episode, unlike Mal, since the start. After moving house in the summer, I'll be taking the bus to school for the start of year nine. So I was wondering whether you have any stories of bus journeys on your travels. You guys have really boosted my ambitions of becoming a football commentator. Thanks, dejected Leicester fan, Ollie. So bus tales.

27:00Ian Dennis:I'm a big bus user, as you know. Well, you just use public transport altogether. I like that. You know, I'm a big public transport advocate, Ian, as you know.

27:09John Murray:My bus journey, the one that springs to mind, actually ties in with the Champions League draw when we were actually once in Monaco at the Grimaldi Forum. And it was when Fulham were in Europe and they dispatched one of their directors, a guy called Mark Collins, lovely fella, out to represent Fulham at the draw. And knew Mark for a number of years. and I was trying to get back to Nice Airport to get my flight home after commentating on the draw. I can't remember who I was with. It might have been Nigel Adderley. Anyway, came out and Mark said, well, why don't you help on this coach? And it was for all the UEFA delegates and representatives of the various clubs.

27:55John Murray:So just walked on this big white coach, walked to the back, sat near Mark and kept our head down. And then there was all sorts of dignitaries walking on. And no one actually checked that there was just two journalists who had basically got on for free to save us a 50 euro taxi drive from Monaco to Nice. So I felt part of the UEFA family that day.

28:19Ian Dennis:Well, I got a little bit back from UEFA, which is nice. And as you know, Ian, I love a bus from the airport. If I can get a bus from the airport, then I'll always try and do that. and I had a great one, Champions League final Budapest at the end of last season. Got the bus from the airport, ended up sitting next to this guy who had just arrived from America. He was from Ukraine originally. He'd lived in America for, I think, 20 years or more and he was making his first trip back to Ukraine to visit his family. So he was on his way to Kiev. And I was thinking, goodness me, because he was some age as well.

29:00Ian Dennis:And I was sort of trying to be polite, you know, asking whether he had any trepidation about that. And he didn't at all. And he was going to get on a train in Budapest to go to Kiev. And it had a fascinating, fascinating life story. And you do get that on the bus, I find.

29:18Ali Bruce-Ball:It's immediately made me think of, but these are sort of internal buses and they're slightly depressing. Whenever we do a Ryder Cup in particular, John, where the car park is miles away from the golf course, And on the Friday morning and the Saturday morning, your alarm goes at sort of 4 a.m. At the latest. At the latest. You drive to a car park knowing you've then got to get on a bus that you're going to sit on for half an hour between sort of 4.30 and 5 o 'clock in the morning. And just the – I can even smell that bus now as I'm describing it. Do you know what I mean? And just that sort of weariness.

29:56Ian Dennis:I think I mentioned it before. one of those said buses for the Glen Eagles Ryder Cup, they left from McDermott Park in Perth. And I remember walking round and round, because we weren't sure where the buses left from. I remember walking round and round McDermott Park in the dark in the middle of the night on the morning of that Ryder Cup, thinking, I can't believe this is the first morning of the Ryder Cup. I'm at McDermott Park and I can't find the bus. It only has one car parked, doesn't it? Well, you could walk all the way around the ground. But sure, the coach is going to leave from the car park.

30:31Ian Dennis:Yeah, but there was no sign of the coaches.

30:33Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah.

30:34Ian Dennis:Because we got there so early. So we parked in the car park. There was no sign of the buses. But anyway, I hope Ollie, on his new bus into school for the start of year nine, doesn't have any of those sort of problems. Well, so. And evidence again, once again, that if you are a teenager and you send an email in or a voice note. It'll always get played.

30:58Ali Bruce-Ball:And there we go. We proved it again. My son, Ewan, missed his bus to college this morning because it left three minutes early. So I saw the bus go past and I thought he's not had enough time there to get to the stop. And sure enough, my phone rang two minutes after I saw the bus go. Dad. So that was a bit of a shocker. Before we get to Clash of the Commentators, Mark in Grimsby has been in touch. Mike Miney actually mentioned this in commentary of Manchester United-Ipswich on Sunday because Bruno Fernandes helped himself to a hat-trick, so was on the verge potentially, had he scored another, Bruno Fernandes, of getting a poker, of scoring four goals.

31:40Ali Bruce-Ball:Mark Ingrimsby gets in touch, so we discussed the term four-four goals, which apparently is a poker, although that was new to all of us. And Mark says, on the subject of a four-goal salvo, forward slash haul, etc., Surely, quatric. Well, it would surely be quatric. Quad-trick. Quat. Quatric. Quatric. Quat-trick. Quat-trick. Quatro. Quat-trick. Quat-trick. Quat-trick. Quat-trick, Manuel. Okay. So who's going to be the first to use that then?

32:12Ian Dennis:And also, I thought another word for a four-goal salvo hall. Four-goal bonanza, I quite like. Yeah, that's good.

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34:01Ali Bruce-Ball:We've got unintended pub name of the week to come. We've really tightened that feature up this season. There is only one per week. They've got to be good. And then we're on to the glossary as well. But before that, Ian, you get to put your feet up this week for Clash of the Commentators after, for the defending champion, a sticky start to the season. Some may even say suffering from second season syndrome.

34:25John Murray:I've got to say, knowing that I'm not actually taking part in Clash of the Commentators, I have really looked forward to this. The last two weeks, I've approached it with a real sense of dread. and I've got to say that John is the heavy favourite for this I will say that now but thankfully it is a rest for me after what has been a miserable start to the season lost both of my two contests so Ali and John are one from one but who will grab top spot so John and Ali are going to take it in turns to answer a question and then give as many correct answers as they can in 30 seconds so who wants to go first who is going to disconnect I'll go first then I will disconnect so Ali is disconnected and we're ready to go so this is why you are the favourite you are the odds on favourite John because as you know the 4.30 commentary is Arsenal-Chelsea and there was an article published on the BBC Sport website this week breaking down Chelsea's staggering 39 summer exits so I think you know where this might be going 22 loaned out 17 sold i want you to name as many players as you can to have left chelsea over the summer

35:42Ian Dennis:your time starts now oh gosh sanchez de sassy um adrag yo yo uh nicholas jackson mudrick um enzo fernandez

36:04Ian Dennis:uh uh fullbacks sandabang or sandbags or midfield uh there's a really obvious one that i'm missing uh gar natural oh

36:15John Murray:now was that in time in time yeah comfortably yeah that that should be enough i think i from memory when i was when you were going through them i think i counted in my head seven i'm not sure

36:27Ian Dennis:That's enough for Ali. I think he's quite good on this. Give him a thumbs up. Do you think he's on the phone to Gary? That'd be good, kid.

36:36Ali Bruce-Ball:Okay. Are you ready? How's he feeling about it? I'm just trying to gauge John's poker face.

36:43John Murray:Yeah, don't buy into that poker face or four faces, you might want to say. Just concentrate on what you've got to do. Just concentrate. 4.30 commentary this Sunday's Arsenal Chelsea. There was an article published on the BBC Sport website this week breaking down Chelsea's staggering 39 summer exits. 22 loaned out, 17 sold. I want you to name as many players as you can to have left Chelsea over the summer. Your time starts now.

37:10Ali Bruce-Ball:Enzo Fernandes we've mentioned. Liam De Lapp we've mentioned. Kukurea. Robert Sanchez, is he gone? I can't remember if he's gone.

37:25Ali Bruce-Ball:Nicholas Jackson who's gone out on loan

37:34Ali Bruce-Ball:Mudrick Tossin don't know wow

37:43Ian Dennis:this is tight that's about the same isn't it

37:46John Murray:yeah this is tight I think we might have a draw it is a draw it is seven correct answers each I tell you what you I don't know about a salvo and a hall you finish with a flurry yeah I needed those didn't I at the end yeah so what happens now

38:07Ian Dennis:didn't say the lap ridiculously

38:10Ali Bruce-Ball:so what did you say that I didn't say

38:12Ian Dennis:okay didn't say the lap I knew there was a full okay

38:17John Murray:Are you ready? Paying attention? Paying attention. Seven each. Whoever shouts out one that hasn't been mentioned wins. Oh, God.

38:29Ali Bruce-Ball:It will be not said. Oh! Garnacho. Oh, no, I've said him. Oh, he said Garnacho. Come on, let's go for another. Go for another, John. Well, there's got to be some more. Yeah, of course there has. People have gone out on loan. What about, I'm just going to throw names out then. I'm going to throw out Badia Shiel. Oh, Andre Silva.

38:52Ian Dennis:Andre Silva. Badia Shiel. Is he? I said Andre Silva. Yeah, after I said Badia Shiel. I said Badia Shiel. I said Badia Shiel first. I didn't. I said it first. You did not. I did.

39:04John Murray:You did not. I can't believe. Blimey. I know what's going to happen now. I know what's going to happen now. Yeah, exactly. It's a whole season of it now. You're going to have to listen back. Ali, we're going to have, it's going to be torturous now. We're going to have a new Justice for John campaign. Yeah. He said Paddy Ashil before he even mentioned Andre. Yeah, you also said Silva. Andre Silva, not Andre Santos. Oh, you're right.

39:27Ian Dennis:Yeah, fair enough. Yeah. Yeah, that's right.

39:31John Murray:All right. Take those placards down. Stop with the hashtag. So congratulations, Ali. Two from two. Okay. I don't know why you considered me to be such an odds-on favourite for that.

39:44Ian Dennis:Well, the fact that you're doing Chelsea this week,

39:47John Murray:I haven't done them yet and I haven't started my work for it yet. Well, that's shoddy. Friday morning, you've not started your work for Saturday. That's poor. For Sunday. For Sunday, even.

39:58Ali Bruce-Ball:39 players. That's amazing, isn't it? That is. Okay. Good win, that, Ali. Well, good game, that, actually, John.

40:05John Murray:I tell you what, that was a good contest. That was a really good game, that. Good game, good game. Good game, good game. I can all of a sudden already hear Bruce Forsyth now being dropped in. Good game, good game.

40:18Ian Dennis:I'm kicking myself about Liam DeLapp since we haven't actually said it.

40:24Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah, yeah. Unintended Pub Name of the Week comes this week from Swansea City supporter Peter and it comes from Alistair Mann's commentary of Leeds-Brentford on Match of the Day.

41:06Unintended Pub Name of the Week

41:07Ian Dennis:Gold Keepers Arms is a 1950s pub serving draft beer from a pull-handled beer dispenser, with photos of the greatest British gold keepers on the walls with their gloves in display boxes. Fat caps and briar pipes are much in evidence, along with the obligatory darts board and a roaring fire.

41:28Ali Bruce-Ball:Unintended Pub Name of the Week.

41:31Ian Dennis:Excellent. That's right out of a 1970s game shell. Yeah, isn't it? that is a great one the goalkeeper's arms that's one of the best unintended pub names we've ever had

41:43Ali Bruce-Ball:but I also think Peter's got it spot on in terms of the establishment as well what it would be I'd love to go in there I would love to go in there yeah somebody should start that yeah would it be keepers from across the world would would Lev Yashin be on the wall there or do you think it's just yeah all of you we're thinking the world great goalkeepers you're having Taffarel up there Luis Arcanada He'd be in there Would Harold Schumacher get in there? Yes, he would

42:13Ian Dennis:Sepp Meyer It's entirely possible There could already be A pub called the goalkeeper's arms A pub or a bar There must be a possibility of that

42:25Ali Bruce-Ball:Okay, well get in touch if there is

42:27Ian Dennis:If you run it, if you own it That's a great one, Peter In Swansea

42:35John Murray:Here's one for you If there is a goalkeeper's arms, then that will be our next stage of the world tour. Wherever it is in the world, we now should say, right, we're going to go there.

42:46Ian Dennis:You could see one of those in Australia, couldn't you? I could actually see someone in Australia.

42:52John Murray:I think there's one in the Maldives.

42:56Ali Bruce-Ball:Tahiti.

42:57Ian Dennis:Tahiti.

42:58Ali Bruce-Ball:Tahiti. Yeah, so Peter's nailed it there. So that's the high bar. That's the high, well, for a goalkeeper, quite literally. High crossbar. Peter has met the high bar there. And that is our unintended pub name of the week. Right. We're on to the glossary, our great glossary of football commentary. So we're building a collection of commentary terms and phrases over the seasons. If this is your first visit, first listen to TCV, Division One for football exclusive terms. And last week we added three terms into Division Two, which is highly populated for being used across various sports. So second season syndrome, which Ian's actually mentioned again this week.

43:37Ali Bruce-Ball:Aerial duel, which came from Ash, the airline pilot. And I think that was Michael Brown who said aerial duel during a commentary with John. And romp. Who was it was romping? It was Ipswich were romping, weren't they, against, I think it was the last time Ipswich had beaten someone. They were romping. So those all went into Division 2. What have we got this week?

43:58John Murray:We have got one from Spurs fan Helen who writes in. gents i must start by saying how much i enjoy your weekly banter both insightful and entertaining similar to a listener from last week i often listen while i run particularly if i'm on a long slow run where your melodic tones keep me on a nice even pace i have what i feel is a slam dunk division one entry to the glossary helen is feeling bold i just added that bit it's been in my mind for some time and having heard this week that the John Murray hurry is only being given for division one entries I thought it was about time it's the hooray it is that's sorry I read that wrong because of hurry Murray yeah yeah I realized I did yeah thank you for that and having heard this week that the John Murray hooray is only being given for division one entries I thought it was about time that I wrote in as I would kick myself if somebody else got there first so my suggestion this is Spurs fan Helen is the beautiful game this is what football is it surely can't be referenced in any other sport hopefully we'll all get a bit more evidence of the beautiful game in action at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium this year let me know what you think I do hope

45:16Ian Dennis:it makes the cut well Helen I think that is going to make the cut isn't it because that has to be Division 1. I've got to say that Helen made a rather compelling case. She did. I think it is incontrovertible, Ali.

45:31Ali Bruce-Ball:I agree. Helen has absolutely nailed it and she's right. She's done well to get in there before anyone else has suggested that. It's particularly one I think that comes up during the World Cup when Brazil, you particularly talk about, it's the Jogo Benito, isn't it? The beautiful game. But it's one that we talk about particularly, I think, during World Cup. So that's excellent. That is. So the Hooray is coming.

45:53Ian Dennis:At this World Cup. Yeah, exactly. Can I just make a point? So is that hooray that we've always played, is that me saying that? Of course it is. Of course it is. Do you know, I didn't realise that.

46:08Ali Bruce-Ball:Come on. Come on.

46:09Ian Dennis:I honestly did not realise that that was... Because you mentioned that last week. Yeah. I thought... Who did you think it was? Who did you think it was? I didn't know who it was. I don't know where we got that from but we got it from you clearly

46:26Ali Bruce-Ball:do you know what's funny about that John

46:27Ian Dennis:I honestly didn't realise that that was me

46:29Ali Bruce-Ball:it always struck me that not that you're precious in any shape or form but I always wondered when we played that out and used that I thought I wonder if John's okay with that sort of sounding slightly silly

46:42Ian Dennis:I was perfectly alright with it because I didn't know it was me but now But now I do. But now, yeah.

46:51John Murray:You're not going to try and get royalties, are you? For your hooray.

46:57Ian Dennis:Who's the next one from? Matt. It is from Matt, the Plymouth Argyle fan. Okay. So Matt says, Hi, John, Ian and Ali. Love the podcast, which I often listen to when walking my cocker spaniel Luna. I know there's been a lot of correspondence from listeners who also listen to your dulcet tones while out walking their dogs, but I couldn't remember whether describing a footballer as a terrier has already been entered into the great glossary, usually used as a way to describe a combative midfielder. For some reason, it makes me think of Dennis Wise, who used to regularly put in terrier-like performances in the middle of the park for Chelsea.

47:37Ian Dennis:Let me know if you think this could make it into the glossary, and also let me know of any other players you can think of who fit into the terrier description. Are you going to describe any player in another sport as terrier-like? Rugby league?

47:53Ali Bruce-Ball:Possibly. I think we need fans of other sports to get in touch to tell us that because I don't know those sports well enough. I mean, even in a slightly different sense, I'm thinking of someone like Nadal scampering across the baseline like a terrier chasing balls right and left and getting them back. And Leighton Hewitt, he was a scrapper. Would you call him a terrier? I don't know. Not sure.

48:15Ian Dennis:Terrier. Cucurea, who we've already mentioned, has got a bit of terrier about him, hasn't he?

48:21John Murray:Yeah, definitely. Sean Edwards, I would have described Sean Edwards in Rugby League as a terrier. That's good, yeah.

48:28Ali Bruce-Ball:Any Huddersfield town players? Oh, you're not going to believe this. Guess who I've missed a call from? Not Gary. Gary. He's rugged game. He's like a terrier, honestly.

48:38Ian Dennis:He is terrier-like. He won't let it go.

48:42John Murray:I've just googled Terrier Rugby League Ernest Ernie Brooks was also known by the Terrier he was an English rugby league footballer who played in the 1900s 1910s and 1920s and he was a scrum half wing standoff for Warrington Great Britain, England and Lancashire

49:04Ali Bruce-Ball:did he drive the fastest milk cart in the west though

49:10Ali Bruce-Ball:football producer Phil Y our colleague Phil Y got in touch this week John I thought this was a good one so Phil listens and he asks whether a player working their socks off where that would go in the glossary you'll always hear football people say that it's not often applied in other sports working your socks off which is Terry alike as you know it's sort of along the same lines so where what do we think about that can you work this yeah you probably can in other sports actually work your socks off probably

49:39Ian Dennis:yeah not snooker probably division two last one comes from listener john and then we'll decide

49:45Ali Bruce-Ball:which divisions they're going in back stick how about back stick for the great glossary when

49:50Ian Dennis:referring to the far post at the back stick you do in rugby you would say right between the sticks wouldn't people would say that but when you're talking about the back stick which i have to say is not one of my favourite phrases. That's a phrase I would never use in commentary.

50:07Ali Bruce-Ball:Why don't you like the back stick?

50:09Ian Dennis:I just don't like it. It's just a personal preference. It's the back post. It's the back post. To me, that's footballese. It's the back post. We don't say the near stick, do we? No, we don't. We only say the back stick. However, it is obviously widely used in football and parlance, and I think that might be a Division I. Oh, crikey.

50:30Ali Bruce-Ball:So you don't like it, but it does get into Division I. Maybe. Memo to self, try and drop in the back stick. Yeah. Working with John next. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. I mean, that could be an unintended pub name, couldn't it? Yeah. Don't have a pint of the back stick. Right. Terrier. Division two. Division two for Terrier because of the other sports. Back stick. Even though I don't like it. Division one. Okay. Working your socks off, we think, division two, don't we? Because I think you can do that in other sports. but what Helen called in for or Helen wrote in for was the beautiful game where are we putting the beautiful game unquestionably

51:11Ian Dennis:Division 1, cue John Murray

51:19Ian Dennis:hooray if that wasn't you I still cannot hear that as me but who do you think it was someone named person who does it sound like

51:29Ali Bruce-Ball:I mean that sounds like you I think you could play that to any member of our football team and say who is this and they'd identify you there I think presenters, pundits producers, apart from me

51:42John Murray:anyone, apart from you in fact Ali that would make a good social media clip who is this I think overwhelmingly people would go well that's John Murray Lake

51:55Ali Bruce-Ball:the John Murray hooray is for Helen and for John and for John because Backstick has also got into Division 1, our first two Division 1 entries this season. Right, thank you John thank you Ian. That is it for this episode of the Commentator's View questions and correspondence always welcome. In fact on that note, just very quickly want to say, because I've not done this in audio form I've done it in social media form and I know we have a little bit of crossover with listenership. I just want to say a massive thank you to all the people who got in touch about the FPL pod, which, yeah, we're really, really touched to receive all that correspondence, which we're not doing anymore.

52:38Ali Bruce-Ball:We absolutely love doing. And yeah, it was just, it was just lovely to hear from so many people who enjoyed that podcast and it relied so much on your correspondence, just like this one does. So we really welcome your emails and your WhatsApp messages as always. So thank you very much indeed for that. Yeah, tcv at bbc.co.uk. You can send us a message or voice note on WhatsApp to 08000 289 369. And the next episode of the Football Daily will be the football interview with Brentford boss, Keith Andrews. I've got the list, Ian, of the 39. I mean, I won't read out all 39. I think we did quite well there, actually, John.

53:17Ali Bruce-Ball:I think you got the main ones, didn't you? Chalabar didn't say Chalabar Tyreek George

53:25Ian Dennis:Mark Guiu

53:26Ali Bruce-Ball:he'd already kind of gone hadn't he on loan Badder Shield Dario Isugo Philip Jorgensen Jorgensen

53:36Ian Dennis:is that right

53:38Ali Bruce-Ball:do I lose a point for that

53:39John Murray:Phil sent me a picture last week of Tom Greenan but he was Greenan he says this fellow I wish he's the recovering Dennis well. Very good.

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