TCV: Premier League returns & John’s wrestling mask

13:54Ali Bruce-Ball:So we are, I always think that we are extremely lucky to be there and, you know, watch the sport we love and get to work on it. So John is absolutely right there. Jenny's written in, by the way. This is connected to the World Cup. Dear TCV team, I write this note with a little tinge of embarrassment, but I also felt compelled to drop you a note. My husband John and I had the pleasure of meeting John Murray and Paul Robinson in Atlanta during the World Cup. I introduced myself to you as you were recording your pre-show preview and you were kind enough to stop recording and say hello. You kindly gave us a shout-out on your last pod, but I'm embarrassed, as you rightly pointed out, that I completely ignored Paul Robinson.

14:35Ali Bruce-Ball:I said to my husband as we walked away from the meeting, I think I might have just ignored a famous footballer there, and then I realised who it was. Anyway, please apologise to Paul. I think I was just starstruck by meeting the inimitable John Murray, whose unmistakable voice was the thing that stopped me in my tracks. That's very good, Jenny. I love that.

14:55Ian Dennis:Yes, I did, because Jenny's email was forwarded on to me, so I have replied to Jenny, and I have, as I should really, I should have said this the first time around, really it was our fault for not introducing Paul to them. Right, right. So Jenny is in the clear.

15:12John Murray:When you say it was our fault, you mean it was your fault. Who knows?

15:16Ali Bruce-Ball:Me, Gary, Gary Flintofford. Paul could have introduced himself. Hi, I'm Paul Robinson. He could have done.

15:22John Murray:He could have done. I think you've thrown Gary under the bus there. Jenny was speaking to you. Jenny probably didn't know who Gary was. All right. I'll put my hands up.

15:32Ian Dennis:I'll put my hands up. It's my fault. It's my fault only. I must mention as well, a colleague from Mexican TV who I think I'm, well, I did. I met at the World Cup draw in Washington before Christmas. So we'd had a chat there. And then in the aftermath of the Mexico-England match, I was in the media room there. and he came over to me and he said, I've been looking for you. And we had a nice chat and he said, and I've got a gift for you. And he reached into his bag and he pulled out a Mexican wrestler's mask and he said, this is for you. I was absolutely blown away by it. So I've got a Mexican, you know, those things that you put over the head, those Mexican, like they all wear.

16:17Ian Dennis:I've got one of those now.

16:19Ali Bruce-Ball:You've just reminded me as well, sorry of the week just gone in Birmingham and actually it connects into your story and you're sort of almost dust up with the Spanish commentary team at the World Cup final. We had a couple of Hungarian chaps commentate for Hungarian television next to us last week in Birmingham who, you know, I introduced myself to on the first morning. Tomás was the name of the guy who was sitting right next to me. A couple of lovely fellas and he was quite amused to learn that it was my first go at athletics commentary. So then when I saw him on the second day, he said to me, you know, you've got this crack now.

16:53Ali Bruce-Ball:You know what you're doing. You're an athletics commentator now. And then at the end of the week, our last exchange last night was where he said, he said, if I see you next year in Beijing, you did a good job. If I don't, you didn't. And I said, you're right. Hopefully I will be there for the World Athletics Championships. But also they were quite fun because they, the worst bit of their job in the morning, someone had to bring them on air and do the first sort of 10 minutes. Like each of us take turns to do the pod and every day they would sit next to each other and they'd play rock, paper, scissors to see who would open up the show.

17:31Ali Bruce-Ball:And I would watch these two fellas and Tomas, who was sitting next to me on the right, was much, much better at it than the other guy. He said he could read him. But every morning I watched, he won and the other guy had to present the show. but they were they were they were they were good fun those two that little tail john's probably

17:46John Murray:thinking he's got away with the the mexican wrestler's mask but as soon as john was telling that story before you then told that one ali i'm thinking the next time that you're recording this from home you've got to wear the mask i'm not sure whether that's a good idea i'll wear my

18:03Ali Bruce-Ball:stetson you wear the mask what did you bring back then and i must be uh what did i bring back

18:11Ian Dennis:I didn't bring back a great deal. Any item of clothing. An empty wallet. I know I brought back an empty wallet. Also, actually, that wasn't the only item of clothing I was given. Oh, right. Because another colleague from Uzbekistan, who I'd also, bizarrely, I met him in Buda, and he's called Abdul Vossit. Abdul Vossit Bektemirov. And we happened to cross paths again. And similarly, he reached into his bag and said, here, I've got this for you. And it was a dupe, which are those little square hats that the, did you see them? The Uzbek supporters. It's like a traditional hat that you wear. And he gave me this little, it's a very odd thing.

18:58Ian Dennis:It's like flat, but you pull it out and it's square and you sit it on the top of your head. so I've got an Uzbek dupe as well from the World Cup Excellent

19:10John Murray:If the powers that be are listening to this now this is pure social media content bearing in mind, Ali we saw you a lot wearing your Stetson with your partner in crime, Chris Sutton John, you've got to wear the wrestler's mask now and the dupe

19:24Ian Dennis:Wrestler's mask and the dupe

19:26Ali Bruce-Ball:Having just done the athletics actually I'm not around for the first weekend of the football season which is upon us. So what have we got coming up, John, and where are you two going to be?

19:39Ian Dennis:Well, of course, we are on the cusp, the verge of the new football season. And yet again, as has always been the case, we will, on Five Live and BBC Sounds, be broadcasting more Premier League football commentaries than anywhere else. So Five Live is the place for the biggest football commentaries at three o 'clock on a Saturday, the 5.30 commentaries on a Saturday, the biggest games on Sundays as well, and many, many more also. And that's just the Premier League, of course, all the other competitions as well. But it all gets underway on Friday night when we will have updates on Arsenal-Coventry on Five Live into Premier League kick-off with Darren Fletcher.

20:26Ian Dennis:We will have updates on Hull City-Manchester United on Saturday lunchtime. into Five Live Sport with Mark Chapman, who will be back for the start of the new Premier League season from 12 o 'clock on Saturday with all of your favourites. And then I'm going to need a bit of help here from you two across our commentaries on the opening weekend of the Premier League. Ian, you are involved in the main three o 'clock match, which is...

20:53John Murray:Nottingham Forest versus Leeds United, which should be a cracking atmosphere at the city ground. I'll be with Chris Sutton from that at three. But like last season, that's the commentary and the usual goal service. But we've got an alternative offering at three. And Connor McNamara will be doing Ipswich Town back in the Premier League against Sunderland. That's on Sports Extra.

21:15Ali Bruce-Ball:Lucky boy. And John, I've just seen you've got two games. John, you're 5.30 Saturday, Brentford against Tottenham, who've really made some additions to the squad this summer. It'll be really interesting to see how they start the season under Roberto De Zerbi, actually. and then Sunday I see 4.30, you're at St James' Park with Pat Nevin for Newcastle-Liverpool, but I must mention before that, 2 o 'clock, Manchester City-Bourmouth, Ailey Barber and Paul Robinson doing that game, and Brighton and Hove Albion, Ian, to give them their full title, which I know you like to do, against Aston Villa on Sports Extra at 2 o 'clock.

21:51Ali Bruce-Ball:So out of those games, John, Brentford-Tottenham, Newcastle-Liverpool, what are you looking forward to?

21:57Ian Dennis:I think the team that I'm most looking forward to seeing this season, which I will do at some point over the course of the opening weeks, is Coventry City. I'm really looking forward to going there again and to seeing this team and how they cope in the Premier League because it's been such a long time for them. And I think whenever you have a club that has had such a long spell out and then they get back to the top division, that's always worth seeing, isn't it?

22:24John Murray:But that Newcastle-Liverpool game will be so emotional, won't it? Because obviously the day after the World Cup final was the sad news of the passing of Kevin Keegan and two of his former clubs. And, you know, the outpouring of emotion, particularly on Tyneside, the amount of shirts and flowers and scarves that were laid down the reeds outside St. James's Park was quite astonishing, really. But not surprising, given the impact that he had there as both a player and as a manager. And the fact that it's Liverpool as the first game where the Newcastle supporters inside St. James' Park will be able to pay their respects.

23:04John Murray:So I think it will be quite something to behold.

23:07Ian Dennis:I think I'll always remember where I was when I heard the news about Kevin Keegan's death. Because it was, as you say, Ian, and I know it was the same for you too, the day after the World Cup final. and it felt like all of that, everything that had been involved in the World Cup, we'd done the final and then it was the day to go home and we had a few hours and I was just about to go across into Manhattan from where we were in New Jersey and I was walking along the waterfront and I got the phone call to say that Kevin Keegan had died and I knew that obviously we were aware of the fact that his health was not good and probably the end wasn't far away.

23:49Ian Dennis:But it just felt really emotional to hear that news because he was my first football hero, really, when I was growing up because he was the England captain and he was such a personality. And then, of course, we had to go on air, didn't we? And just looking back on his career, which I do know very well really, but to then go back into it, what an incredible life in football he had. I think anyone who had any dealings with Kevin Keegan will have been really affected by him and the news because he was just so infectious, wasn't he?

24:31John Murray:He was, yeah. He was full of enthusiasm. On the day after I told the story on Five Live, I won't go into it now about the day that we went to Lapland with him. We think it was about 400 deprived kids from Tyneside and how magical he was with all of those schoolchildren when he was still the Newcastle United manager. In fact, that was probably weeks before he then resigned in the January of 1997. But my last dealings with him was when Mike Ingham was stepping down and what I'd done, Mike I think had worked under 11 different England managers and seven of them were still around. And obviously I reached out to Kevin and said, could you sign this shirt?

25:17John Murray:Because I was going around getting them all to sign an England shirt to give it to Mike as a farewell gift. And I contacted Kevin because he was coming up to the northeast to do a dinner. And so we arranged to meet at Close House. And I took my boy with me, who at the time would have been, I think, probably about eight or nine. and Kevin said, you'll meet at this time. And then my son said, Dad, I think he's just left. So I contacted Kevin. I said, I'm in reception. Anyway, to get into Close House, you arrive through one single lane track and you exit through another single lane track. So he arranged to meet at the top of the exit before he went off to the dinner.

25:58John Murray:He signed the shirt, posed for a photo, signed an autograph for my son as well. And he made Harvey at that time just feel like he was, it was all about the boy. He's got this ability to make people feel so special. And then he disappeared. And then I sent him a message when I'd heard that he'd got the cancer. But I think that just summed him up.

26:21Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah, no, well said, Ian. Funny, you know, his impact was such, I mean, I'm the same as you two. He just played such a massive part in me getting into the game of football. Just at the time I was getting into football, as you said, John, And he was just such a, so much charisma. That's what I love about, you know, the greatest sportsmen and women. Charisma is such a big part of it. And he had oodles of that. And then I only came across him regularly later on when he was Manchester City manager. And I did a beat as a football reporter in Manchester. I go and interview him, you know, once a week in the build-up to whatever game it was.

26:56Ali Bruce-Ball:And he was, A, brilliant to deal with, as you've both been describing. but also at times you know it was it was great for me because you'd always come back with a line something entertaining something newsworthy and he he was he was too honest for his own good at times wasn't he sometimes we're thinking I'll ask this question loads of people wouldn't give an answer to it but he will and you'd almost think well you know stop stop stop a second you know but that wasn't him at all was it and actually do you know his impact on I think particularly people of our generation funny enough again at the athletics this week I got into conversation with Steve Cram about Kevin Keegan.

27:32Ali Bruce-Ball:And Steve, you know, I don't think knocked about with him regularly, but obviously two sporting superstars from the North East obviously spent time with Kevin Keegan. You're right, John, and it's just so sad. It really, really hit me. Yeah, like you, John, I was just really, you know, for a day or so and still now when you think about it, just really sad, just so sad he's gone.

27:56Ian Dennis:So there will be, I mean, the tributes will be something else, I'm sure. Oh, they will, absolutely. On Sunday. And it is funny, isn't it, the way that things work, that it has so happened that Newcastle and Liverpool play each other. And I've always felt that there is a bit of a bond between Newcastle and Liverpool. There are lots and lots of similarities between the two cities, really. And for Kevin Keegan to have managed and had such a link and played for both of them, And then for them to play on this first Sunday, that is going to be quite an event. So that is 4.30 on Sunday.

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29:42Ali Bruce-Ball:The commentator's view on the Football Daily with Alistair Bruce Ball, John Murray and Ian Dennis.

29:51Ian Dennis:With the new Premier League season, coming up. And of course, as well, we should mention Monday Night Club every Monday. So Fulham Chelsea, there'll be updates on Fulham Chelsea and so that on Five Live on Monday night. What is it that is most capturing your imagination about the season of Premier League commentary that lies ahead, would you say, you two?

30:08Ali Bruce-Ball:Oof. It's a good question.

30:10Ian Dennis:It is a good question.

30:11Ali Bruce-Ball:It's a good question.

30:13John Murray:After watching the Community Shield, I think Arsenal have already laid down a marker. I don't... I remember the time when Erling Haaland, I think he made his debut in the Community Shield. It was at the King Power in Leicester. And people were quick to jump to conclusions because he'd made nine touches or something like that. Oh, he could struggle in the Premier League. And he soon put that to bed. But Manchester City did look off it.

30:37Ian Dennis:Darwin Nunez had caught the eye, hadn't he, in that particular match rather than hard. That's right.

30:42John Murray:Yeah. But Manchester City, on the evidence of the 90 minutes at Cardiff, I thought they didn't look quite up to speed. But that's maybe not surprising given that players are still coming back from the World Cup and might not have got the minutes in from pre-season. But Arsenal did look particularly sharp. I thought Odegaard was outstanding.

31:01Ian Dennis:For City, to have lost Pep Guardiola would have been, you know, impactful enough. But to have now lost Rodri, as well as Bernardo Silva and John Stones, Nathan Aki, you know, But all of that experience, I mean, that is a massive change for City. And, OK, you know, we'll have to see what happens between now and the end of the Mercado or the transfer window. That is a significant change, isn't it, for City?

31:32Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah. And to your point, Ian, I thought the same thing. Pat Nevin summed it up very succinctly after the game. Just, you know, Manchester City are a team in transition, huge transition. All those names you mentioned, John, and Arsenal just very much aren't, are they? they've made some good additions but they look exactly what they are a team that know each other extremely well and I think they're going to start the season well so it's going to be who can keep it looks like it's going to be who can keep pace with them

32:01John Murray:You could also argue that Liverpool will be in transition this season as well given a new manager in Andoni Iriola there's no Mo Salah so potentially I'm thinking could Manchester United B, look to take advantage of that and be the closest rivals to Arsenal, given the impact that Michael Carrick had at the end of last season?

32:25Ian Dennis:I think, for me, the thing that I'm most looking forward to is exactly that, Ian, to see which one of those teams is going to be able to make a fast start when there's been so much change at so many different clubs.

32:41Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah, yeah. and there is always only so much you can read into pre-season, isn't there? I mean, you know, you look at some of the results and Liverpool have been letting Leeds slip and Joel Pedro's been scoring lots of goals for Chelsea and whatever but when it actually starts for real, loads of that does go out the window. I think the Community Shield, slightly different because I think that did tell a bit of a story about where those two clubs are but you can be fooled, I think, by quite a lot of the pre-season football. The real thing is very different, isn't it?

33:13Ian Dennis:Yeah, I honestly, I know why people go to those matches and they're played all over the world now and bring in the local audience who can see these players in the flesh and maybe don't have another opportunity. But at the same time, they are paying money to watch football that is totally and utterly meaningless. And who is ever going to remember the significance of what happens in those matches? We actually had a question. I put out a punt on social media asking for some questions, correspondence, etc. And Roberto Hollis asked us the question, who is the player you're looking forward to seeing the most in the Premier League that we saw at the World Cup?

33:57Ian Dennis:That's a good question.

33:59Ali Bruce-Ball:Do you know what my answer would have been if the deal had gone through when there was talk of Vinicius Junior appearing in the Premier League, potentially at Arsenal, that would have been superb, wouldn't it, in terms of a sort of global superstar and what he brings to any game and any football commentary, but obviously that doesn't count now.

34:18Ian Dennis:I think my answer to that would be Morgan Rodgers. Oh, OK. And even though that's not very exotic in terms of who I saw at the World Cup, I wanted to see more of him at the World Cup, and now having made that, I thought that was a really surprising move to go from Aston Villa to Chelsea. But I think the shabby Alonso Chelsea is another thing that I'm really looking forward to seeing this season because his Bayer Leverkusen team were so exciting and obviously things didn't work out for him at Real Madrid. But that Leverkusen team really had something about it and at that time he was probably the hottest property, wasn't he, in European coaching.

35:03Ian Dennis:And now he's ended up at Chelsea, where there is a schism there. We've all been there. Things are not right at Chelsea Football Club. There are a lot of forces pulling in different directions. And how Xabi Alonso is going to be able to bring that all together, I think will be very, very interesting. But he's got a super player there in Morgan Rodgers. So I think he's the one I would pick out.

35:27John Murray:My answer would be Ayub Bouadi of Morocco, who's close to joining Manchester City. So he's only 18 years of age, but he's this energetic midfielder with the mop of hair, the bushy hair, not as bushy and floppy as Cucurea, but it's not far off. and I thought he was the standout player for Morocco when I saw him at the MetLife Stadium very, very early on in the tournament against Brazil. And he's only 18 as well, so he's only going to get better. He's got obviously huge boots to fill if he's going to take the place of Rodri, but if he can slot alongside Anderson in that midfield for Manchester City, then I think they have a real gem of a player and I think he would be an excellent addition to the Premier League.

36:17Ali Bruce-Ball:Roberto's question, by the way, actually takes us very nicely into the first game of Clash of the Commentators this season, if you two are ready for that. So this is the return of our famous head-to-head Clash of the Commentators. Ian is the reigning champion, despite the Justice for John campaign. Ian actually established a massive lead last season, really good, strong form throughout the season. John came back hard but couldn't get it over the line in the end. So apparently I won Series 1 of that. I don't remember that. I don't remember that. I do. Ian won Series 2. So, John.

36:54Ian Dennis:I've got a feeling I've made a strong start both years and then had a very bad spell.

37:01Ali Bruce-Ball:OK. OK, look, here's how it works. If you've not listened to the podcast before, if you can't remember, two of us take turns to answer a question and give as many correct answers as we can in 30 seconds. so when the first player plays, the other person obviously has to take their headphones off so they can't listen to the answers. Who is going to go first today?

37:19Ian Dennis:This could be tricky because we are both in BBC Studios, aren't we, Ian?

37:24John Murray:Yeah. And also I've just noticed that I've got 2 % on my phone. Oh. So if I go out, nobody's going to be able to call me to get back in.

37:32Ian Dennis:In that case, I'm going to go out of the room.

37:36Ali Bruce-Ball:OK, all right. So defending champion, I think this is only right, actually. Ian should open up the new season. So this is plain and simple, Ian. John could have given me a guard of honour before he left, couldn't he? That's true. All we want from you today is any of the top 20 transfers money-wise this summer. And this is not just in the Premier League. This is in world football. We're using data from the transfers website, TransferMark. So you've got to name any of the top 20 highest money moves from this summer so far. Your time starts now.

38:15John Murray:OK, Gimaraish, Ferran Torres, Anthony Gordon. I said I was undercooked.

38:30I can't think.

38:39No.

38:39Ali Bruce-Ball:No.

38:44Ali Bruce-Ball:OK. Do you know what, though? Knowing John's travails with this sometimes, that might be enough. Those three are correct. I can tell you that because John can't hear us right now. I'm not sure that's enough three.

38:57John Murray:As I said to you at the start, I have completely switched off. Yeah, me too. I've been away in Spain. I've been speaking Spanish. I've been enjoying tapas and everything else.

39:09Ali Bruce-Ball:Now, I got the message this morning that I was hosting this and not playing, and I thought I'm delighted about that because I'm exactly the same. I've been in golf and athletics, and football has been like the furthest thing from my mind. So I think I would have been very, very similar there. That is good timing. That is good timing. John is back. Right. John, hello. Good timing there. Hello. Perfect, perfect. All wrapped up, done and dusted. Defending champion has unleashed his opening salvo in this season's Clash of the Commentators. Sounds ominous. So let's see how you go on this. All we need today, any of the top 20 transfers money-wise this summer?

39:49Ali Bruce-Ball:OK, this is not just... A few moments later. Your time starts now.

39:59Ian Dennis:Morgan Rodgers, Elliot Anderson.

40:06Ian Dennis:Christos Zolis I'm trying to think of who else has been signed by Manchester United Andres Santos

40:19Ian Dennis:Manzambi Chelsea Chelsea signed Oh I think that's a draw

40:32Ali Bruce-Ball:I think that's a draw I think that's I think that's three all So Denno only got three Denno got I'm going to say four Yeah but Oh no no sorry John You're right Manzambi I didn't see Manzambi's there John you've won You have won You've won You've won the first game Of the season I didn't That's a great shout Manzambi So Denno you said Anthony Gordon Who else did you say Rash I said Anthony Gordon Gimeraj Gimeraj And Ferran Torres, who all featured on the list. John, you nailed the top two on the list in terms of biggest money straight away with Morgan Rodgers and Elliot Anderson. Yeah.

41:10John Murray:I should have got those.

41:12Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah, and then you had your Manzambi and Andre Santos sneaks in there. Is he on the list? Yeah, yeah. Is he on the list? Yeah, 17.

41:21Ian Dennis:When I said that, I thought, I wonder if he would be on that list.

41:23Ali Bruce-Ball:So I'll rattle through them very quickly for you, full list. Morgan Rodgers, Elliot Anderson, Jan Diamande, Sandro Tonali, Mateusz Fernandes, who's gone to Tottenham, Bruno Gimaraes, who Ian said, Gonzalo Ramos, who's gone from PSG to Milan, yeah, Anthony Gordon, Crescencio Somerville, Jeremy Jacquet, Maxence Lacroix, who's now at Chelsea, Jan-Powell Van Hecker now at Tottenham, Manzambi Vuscovic, Luca Vuscovic, these are hard, Rasmus Hoyland, Marco Palestra, who's another one who's joined Chelsea, Andre Santos at number 17, Mark Cucurea, who you've mentioned in the pod today, Ian, who's made the move to Real Madrid, Ferran Torres was 19th, snuck in there at 19th, and Mason Greenwood, 20th.

42:09Ali Bruce-Ball:Well played, chaps, very good.

42:10Ian Dennis:I think that illustrates how rusty we are.

42:13Ali Bruce-Ball:You can say it does. It does, it does.

42:15Ian Dennis:There's a bit of work to be done this week before that start of the season. Win's a win, Josh. Nice to be off the mark. Very good. Right at the start. Very good, very good. Yeah, but as I said, you know what happened last season and the season before, so I'm not counting any chickens. So that is it. That is the opening clash of the commentators. So you'll be on next week, I presume, Ali. And now, briefly, we haven't got much time left, a little bit of great glossary of football commentary, and this is where we're building actually what is now quite the collection of commentary terms and phrases.

42:49Ian Dennis:We have football exclusive terms in Division 1, things like cultured left foot, sweeper-keeper and draft excluder. And then we have Division 2 for terms used in football commentary, but also used in other sports, for example, corridor of uncertainty, hospital pass and good touch for a big man. You, I'm sure, if you haven't heard it before, will get the idea. and actually the full glossary is in what we call the episode description on BBC Sounds. So you can have a scroll down there and have a look at the whole thing. Anyway, James in Ipswich writes in, Hello TCV team, looking forward to the return of the new football season?

43:29Ian Dennis:It struck me that you haven't covered the term full house on the great glossary of football commentary used in football to describe a stadium that is full to capacity.

43:39Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah, but other sports. I mean, you could have a full house in rugby. Would you say it a cricket match, John, if Lords was packed to the rafters? Yeah, you would, wouldn't you? It's a full house. Yeah, so that sounds very much division two, doesn't it? Solid div two. The one I like, John, the next one, this is something you spotted and actually posted on our little WhatsApp group, a term I'd never, never heard before, well worth discussing this. Albie Collier of Barton Town FC scored four goals in their FA Cup win in the extra preliminary round, and it was described by the official FA Cup social media account as a poker.

44:15Ali Bruce-Ball:So, and I, you know, when you, I never heard that and I don't play poker, so I don't, you know, I know terms like flashback. I always thought poker was five, five cards.

44:27Ian Dennis:Five cards?

44:28Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah, so I can't, I'm not quite sure. I mean, it says here that apparently the phrase poker goals comes from Spain where a standard four of a kind in a card game is called a poker hand, symbolising four of the same element. But I don't know about you guys, I've never heard that before.

44:43Ian Dennis:I saw that. I've mentioned it to a few friends. And one or two have said that, yes, they had heard that. Poker for four goals. The first person I saw who scored four goals in a match was Malcolm Poskett of Carlisle.

44:58Ali Bruce-Ball:So for you, it should be a Poskett.

45:00Ian Dennis:I remember at the time being tremendously excited that I'd seen a player score four goals in a match.

45:05Ali Bruce-Ball:Can you think of, have we ever done this? in a clash of the commentators, but if you were thinking of famous four-goal halls, so specifically four goals, like Albie Collier scored, one that comes to mind for me is Arshaven did it, didn't he, for Arsenal against Liverpool. I was there. You were there for that, were you? Yes, come and take it on that one. You're right, yeah. Did Cole Palmer do it? Did he do a four recently? Yes, he did. Was that against Wolves? I think you're right at Stamford Bridge, didn't he?

45:31Ian Dennis:Didn't Julio Baptiste also score four in a League Cup tie at Anfield.

45:37Ali Bruce-Ball:I think you're right, John. For Arsenal. Yeah.

45:40Ian Dennis:I think that might have been the 5-5, was it? Yeah. Anyway, there's something in my mind that this was the first time that that had been done since our shabbing.

45:51Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah. I've got a feeling as well that Efenokoku scored four for Norwich at Goodison Park against Everton because Chris Sutton claims he set all four up and doesn't really get the credit for it.

46:03John Murray:I've got a childhood memory of Ian Rush scoring five goals against David Pleat's Luton Town in 1983. And on the same day, Tony Woodcock scored five goals for Arsenal against Aston Villa.

46:20Ali Bruce-Ball:Wow.

46:20Ian Dennis:Really? That vaguely rings a bell, but that's very well remembered.

46:25Ali Bruce-Ball:I commentated on Jermaine Defoe scoring five when Tottenham beat Wigan 9-1 at White Hart Lane.

46:33Ian Dennis:who scored famously I think a hat trick of hat tricks I think nine goals in a match and the name that I want to say is Ted McDougall correct correct

46:47Ali Bruce-Ball:Stan at the Vitality Stadium is named after him and he scored those goals in an FA Cup tie and I want to say against Margate but I'm plucking that I mean that could be that could be absolute nonsense that but you're right I think you're right

47:01Ian Dennis:we've got another this is not for the glossary this again came from the punt that I put out on social media this is from SJT who says can we finally put this second season syndrome to bed and he must be a Sunderland fan because he's referring to Sunderland so obviously a lot of people are talking about second season syndrome but he very definitely does not want second season syndrome being put in the glossary but if we did put it in the glossary, it would be in Division 2, wouldn't it? I guess.

47:33Ali Bruce-Ball:I guess so, but I've not really heard it talked about in other sports, second seat. That does feel quite football-ish. Oh, it's about to be.

47:38John Murray:That might be one where we leave that for the listeners to decide.

47:42Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah, yeah. Good idea, Ian. Just looked up Ted McDougall. In an FA Cup tie for AFC Bournemouth in November 1971, he scored nine goals in an 11-0 win against Margate. Yeah, that's a great shout.

47:59Ian Dennis:Well done, Ali. So is there a word to use when someone scores nine goals in a match? So there we are. I think that is pretty much it, isn't it? For this week, for this opening week of the new season, for the first of the commentators' view podcasts of the new season. And we obviously always love your questions and correspondence. Anytime during the week, tcv at pbc.co.uk. or you can send us a message or a voice note on WhatsApp to 08000 289 369. We, I'm sure, will have more unintended pub names for next week. And, of course, the other thing to say to round off, I think, I mean, we had a brilliant response, didn't we?

48:48Ian Dennis:Or at least I did, to the coverage that we brought from the World Cup during the course of the summer. I have to say I've been really touched by many of the things that people have said. And I would say if you did listen to us commentate on football matches during the course of the World Cup, then we are here virtually all the time, virtually every day, aren't we? During the course of the football season, bringing you football commentaries from the whole range of sports. But it all begins with the football and the Premier League this weekend. I know most of the other leagues are up and running and have been for some time.

49:23Ian Dennis:but with the Premier League you are never you are never very far away from a football commentary on Five Live and BBC Sounds so that is it up and running for the new season on The Commentator's View and all being well we'll be here all season long

49:54Ian Dennis:He's knocked his stopper. Everyone standing around the 18th green. Overhead kick. That is sensational. He shows to the centre. Oh, the right hand and the former champion is down.

50:07John Murray:It's extraordinary stuff. They've done a show for us tonight. He gets on his knees and kisses the turf.

50:13Ali Bruce-Ball:Five Live Sports. The home of the world's greatest sporting events. This is the full time whistle. Listen on BBC Sounds.